[12:21] <\sh> Riddell: is there no other possibilty to extract the .pot files without having automake and autoconf build-deps?
[12:23] <\sh> Riddell: because even ksynaptics breaks when doing the patches and additional rules for this
[12:23] <Riddell> \sh: you shouldn't need automake/autoconf 
[12:23] <\sh> well...the build tells me something else :*
[12:25] <\sh> when I apply the patch directly into the debianized source tree...it complains about missing automake1.6 and wants to recreate configure bla
[12:28] <\sh> Riddell: it runs the first time configure...and then when it's in building target...
[12:28] <\sh> /usr/bin/make
[12:28] <\sh> make[1] : Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/ksynaptics-0.2.2'
[12:28] <\sh> *** Creating configure.files
[12:28] <\sh> *** Creating acinclude.m4
[12:28] <\sh> cd . && /bin/sh /tmp/buildd/ksynaptics-0.2.2/admin/missing --run aclocal-1.6
[12:38] <\sh> amu: it's the touchpad configuratio utility :)
[12:41] <\sh> same shit different way
[12:41] <\sh> I apply the patch...it runs configure...and after that...it wants to recreate all auto* stuff
[12:51] <\sh> Riddell: any solution to avoid this?
[03:01] <Riddell> \sh_away: you may need to set AM_MAINTAINER_MODE
[07:15] <Diablo-D3> insert final fantasy victory music here.
[08:35] <Diablo-D3> yay
[08:36] <Diablo-D3> so far on dapper, theres only one thing broken
[08:37] <Diablo-D3> and it takes a whole 1:27 to start my laptop =(
[10:15] <Tonio_> hi
[11:37] <sebas> Riddell: Could you close this one: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18237 ?
[11:37] <sebas> The fix is in our svn.
[11:42] <Diablo-D3> gah
[11:42] <Diablo-D3> launchpad is fucking useless
[11:49] <Diablo-D3> what the fuck!
[12:03] <mornfall> Riddell: i guess there was no response from mdz
[12:04] <Riddell> mornfall: not yet :(
[12:05] <Riddell> sebas: marked as PENDINGUPLOAD 
[12:06] <sebas> Riddell: Ok.
[12:06] <sebas> I'll just add a patch which fixes two more services.
[12:07] <sebas> Or do you want it mailed?
[12:09] <Riddell> sebas: no, it'll get fixed whenevr guidance makes its next release :)
[12:10] <sebas> Riddell: Ok.
[12:10] <sebas> The next release will probably have displayconfig working for single head setups and add a bunch of usability fixes to the modules.
[12:11] <sebas> And a nice dialogue showing the usage of your diskspace :)
[12:11] <sebas> When does dapper freeze?
[12:11] <Riddell> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseSchedule January 19th 
[12:11] <viviersf> Riddell, whats up with dapper kubuntu + network tool
[12:12] <viviersf> is knetworkconf gonna get fixed
[12:12] <viviersf> or you gonna use gnome-system-tools ?
[12:12] <Riddell> viviersf: knetworkconf is pretty high priority to fix
[12:12] <viviersf> k
[12:12] <viviersf> so you gonna fix it ?
[12:12] <Riddell> sebas: that's upstream version freeze
[12:12] <viviersf> cos the bigest problem Riddell is 
[12:12] <viviersf> that it doesnt put the gateway into the file
[12:12] <viviersf> and thats mostly it
[12:13] <viviersf> if that was fixed id be happy
[12:13] <Riddell> viviersf: yes, I'm planning to look at it this week or next
[12:13] <viviersf> Riddell, if you can this week plz :P
[12:13] <Riddell> yeah, but fixing kpdf is alas more important just now
[12:14] <viviersf> i would like to release impi
[12:14] <viviersf> with a working knetworkconf
[12:14] <viviersf> and removing gnome tools
[12:14] <viviersf> but cool
[12:14] <viviersf> drop me an email when you fixed it plz
[12:15] <Riddell> ok
[12:16] <Riddell> apt-cache rdepends kdelibs4c2   groovy
[12:31] <Tonio_> hi all, viviersf,  Riddell 
[12:31] <viviersf> lo Tonio_ 
[03:01] <Riddell> amU: about?
[03:01] <Riddell> or anyone with a powerpc?
[03:01] <Riddell> mornfall: mvo's new update-notifier popup http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/update-notifier/lala.png
[03:05] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[03:05] <freeflying> I'using ppc now
[03:05] <Riddell> freeflying: ooh, fancy testing the flight-2 candidate?
[03:06] <freeflying> Riddell:  ok
[03:06] <Riddell> freeflying: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20051214.1/dapper-live-powerpc.iso
[03:06] <Riddell> freeflying: and  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051214.1/dapper-install-powerpc.iso
[03:07] <jjesse> is it for i386 as well riddell?
[03:07] <jjesse> cause i can test that
[03:07] <freeflying> I'm downloading daily livecd now
[03:07] <Riddell> freeflying: thanks
[03:07] <freeflying> it's seems too slow for me  :(
[03:08] <Riddell> jjesse: I've already tested i386 although more testing is always welcome
[03:08] <freeflying> Riddell:  it;s need about 14 hrs
[03:08] <jjesse> oh ok i can play around with it today as well
[03:09] <jjesse> btw did you see wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight2
[03:11] <Riddell> freeflying: we might have to release before that but it'll still need testing so keep downloading if you can
[03:11] <Riddell> jjesse: that's quite impressive
[03:13] <freeflying> Riddell: right
[03:18] <jjesse> Riddell: i agree think we should do a KubuntuDapperFlight2 ?
[03:20] <Riddell> jjesse: it would be nice but I don't have time to do any more than proofreading and I'm not sure what we'd put in it
[03:22] <jjesse> Riddell: ok i might have sometime today to wip something up and i'll let you know
[03:22] <Riddell> jjesse: would be lovely
[03:22] <Riddell> "all new libstdc++ mt allocator!"
[03:32] <verwilst> Riddell: do we have an update notifier popup for kde too in dapper? ;)
[03:33] <Riddell> verwilst: mornfall is working on one
[03:34] <mornfall> verwilst: it's not popping up so far
[03:34] <mornfall> verwilst: and i'm not sure i want it to
[03:35] <mornfall> one of the things i hate *most* about windows is the update popup
[03:35] <verwilst> hh
[03:35] <verwilst> what will it do then?
[04:35] <verwilst> mornfall: ? :p
[05:32] <mornfall> verwilst: wha?
[05:33] <verwilst> mornfall: the update notif thingy
[05:33] <verwilst> how do you 'envision' it?
[05:33] <mornfall> verwilst: what's with it?
[05:33] <mornfall> if it was for me, it's done :)
[05:33] <verwilst> if it won't be a popup thingy
[05:33] <mornfall> sits in systray as a green thingy if up to date, and as a exclamation thingy when not up to date
[05:33] <mornfall> an*
[05:33] <verwilst> suhweet
[05:34] <verwilst> i've been missing that ;)
[05:34] <mornfall> tooltips says up to date or how many upgradable packages
[05:34] <mornfall> tooltip*
[05:34] <mornfall> a passive popup could maybe work, or maybe not
[05:35] <mornfall> i'll see
[05:40] <lucasvo> hi,
[05:40] <Riddell> hi lucasvo 
[05:40] <lucasvo> can you please fix the dependencies for  kiosktool and synce-kde ?
[05:41] <Riddell> kiosktool decided to randomly break last night when I uploaded, I'll investigate why
[05:41] <lucasvo> They both have wrong entry for kdelibs4c2 on dapper
[05:42] <verwilst> mornfall: is it planned for dapper?
[05:43] <mornfall> verwilst: yes
[05:44] <verwilst> w00t safe
[05:44] <verwilst> coolness
[05:51] <verwilst> going home!
[05:51] <verwilst> see ya
[05:52] <Riddell> cheereo verwilst 
[05:52] <Riddell> hi jansen 
[05:52] <Riddell> lucasvo: synce-kde uploaded, keep an eye on http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/synce-kde/
[05:54] <lucasvo> Riddell: danke
[05:55] <lucasvo> Riddell: oh that was german. thank you
[05:56] <Riddell> :)
[05:58] <allee> Riddell: kontact (kmail) any showstopper in flight2-tobe release?  No ==> then I'll install test it
[05:58] <author-psi> lucasvo: (verplappert sich oft :) )
[05:58] <allee> s/no/yes/ argl
[05:59] <Riddell> allee: pardon?
[05:59] <Riddell> allee: I applied the patch that upstream recommended
[06:00] <allee> Riddell: you asked for testers of today dapper CDROM.  I have to replace a 80 GB disk with a 100 GB an grumble about replacing breezy with dapper.  But Kmail is essential
[06:01] <allee> okay I take that kmail has no showstoppers.  So breezy has to go.
[06:01] <Riddell> allee: shouldn't have any
[06:02] <Riddell> but I can't guarantee it... this is kamil
[06:02] <Riddell> kmail
[06:02] <allee> Riddell: ;)
[06:03] <allee> I can work around anything but mutt instead of kmail is really stressing the nerves ;)
[06:55] <jjesse_> the daily build of dapper (flight 2) live cd works fine w/ no issues
[06:55] <jjesse_> is that kde 3.5 on it?
[06:58] <Riddell> jjesse_: that is kde 3.5
[07:02] <jjesse> ok working on some notes
[07:25] <dholbach> hellas!
[07:26] <Riddell> welcome along dholbach :)
[07:26] <dholbach> can somebody proof-read/enhance/fix/add-bling-factor to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Draft?
[07:26] <dholbach> we really need it to fix up universe bugs ... and the desktop team and the kubuntu team as well :)
[07:27] <Riddell> dholbach: can I edit?
[07:27] <dholbach> sure
[07:27] <dholbach> we want this to be the best bug day ever
[07:27] <dholbach> and the next one even better :)
[07:30] <Riddell> I think we need to bottle dholbach and sell it as a motivation tonic
[07:30] <dholbach> it's being together with vuntz
[07:31] <dholbach> that helps ;)
[07:31] <Riddell> vuntz?  who is vuntz?
[07:31] <dholbach> vincent untz
[07:32] <dholbach> a gnome-desktop-team-ubuntu-rock'n'roll-community-french-hat-wearing-hacker
[07:33] <Riddell> dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Draft  grammer checked, spelling corrected, kubuntu paragraph added
[07:36] <dholbach> Riddell: merci beaucoup
[08:01] <seth_k> thanks for the krusader stuff Riddell 
[08:01] <seth_k> glad to know there was a weird problem and not just me being incompetent :)
[08:21] <Sime> is anyone using nvidia's video drivers here? (and the agp support from nvidia?)
[08:23] <Riddell> not I
[08:23] <Riddell> Sime: maybe people in #kubuntu do
[08:24] <Sime> Riddell: i'll give it a go. I'm trying to work out agpgart and kernel modules loading issues.
[08:25] <Sime> Riddell:  I sent most of sunday blowing up my other computer with the help of nvidia's driver. :-)
[08:26] <Riddell> fun :)
[08:31] <dholbach> Riddell: you have a kubuntu related bug page or something?
[08:31] <dholbach> on the wiki?
[08:32] <dholbach> something, that could be on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/TeamSpecifics and maybe should be in the bug day announce?
[08:33] <tvo> Sime: I am (at least nvidia's video drivers, would have to check whether I'm also using the agp support from nvidia)
[08:34] <Sime> tvo: run lsmod and look for a apg*
[08:34] <Sime> tvo: agp*
[08:34] <Sime> tvo: if you are using the nvidia agp stuff you would probably know it. It is a real pain to get setup.
[08:35] <tvo> Sime: no agp in output of lsmod, so I'm only using binary drivers..
[08:37] <Sime> tvo: you are using AGP and not PCIe?
[08:37] <tvo> Sime: yeah
[08:37] <Sime> tvo: yeah AGP?
[08:37] <tvo> Sime: yeah AGP :)
[08:38] <Sime> tvo: lsmod really doesn't list agpgart or something?
[08:38] <Riddell> dholbach: a very short section on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu
[08:38] <tvo> Sime: no, I already wondered where it went when running lsmod..
[08:38] <Sime> tvo: odd, very odd
[08:39] <dholbach> Riddell: you want to link it fom the bugs/teamspecifics page?
[08:39] <Sime> tvo: maybe your Xorg is not accelerated.
[08:39] <Sime> tvo: it is possible to not use AGP.
[08:39] <tvo> Sime: if Xorg isn't accelerated, then OpenGL isn't accelerated too, right?
[08:40] <Sime> tvo: true
[08:40] <Sime> tvo: there is probably a message in /var/log/Xorg.0.log from the driver about AGP.
[08:40] <tvo> Sime: then I guess that's pretty much impossible, have been running+developing an OGL based RTS last few weeks
[08:41] <tvo> unless my processor is really ultra fast in software rendering..
[08:41] <Sime> tvo: maybe AGP only makes difference when transferring large textures... :-/
[08:42] <Sime> tvo: this blog has some interesting and hard to find info: http://www.ramikayyali.com/
[08:42] <Sime> tvo: i'm working on a config tool for Xorg. Which is why I'm interrorgating (sp?) you.
[08:43] <tvo> no problem
[08:43] <Riddell> dholbach: done
[08:44] <dholbach> Riddell: ROCK!
[08:44] <tvo> Sime: hm, there are (recent) agpgart messages (no errors) in syslog..
[08:44] <dholbach> added the page to the announce
[08:44] <sebas> Sime: lsmod has " agpgart                34792  2 nvidia,amd64_agp "
[08:45] <Sime> sebas: that is linux agpgart. I don't know if it is better or worse than the one from nvidia. It is certainly a lot easier to use though.
[08:45] <sebas> Oow, I thought you were after agpgart, not nvagp.
[08:46] <Sime> I'm just curious to know what people are using and whether supporting nvidia's module is necessary.
[08:46] <sebas> miro.sebas(~): grep -i nvagp /etc/X11/xorg.conf                                                                  20:46:23
[08:46] <sebas>     Option      "NVAgp" "0"
[08:46] <sebas> That might have a reason I don't want to remember :>
[08:47] <Sime> maybe the drivers work fine with the standard kernel module
[08:47] <Sime> NVAgp = disabled.
[08:47] <sebas> Jup.
[08:47] <Sime> NVAgp 0
[08:47] <Sime> sebas: have a look at that blog link.
[08:47] <tvo> apparently, I can't find any errors in syslog or Xorg.0.log
[08:47] <Sime> tvo: it doesn't say anything?
[08:51] <sebas> Sime: I'll try nvidia-agp.
[08:51] <tvo> Sime: it just says http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/464152
[08:51] <Sime> sebas: let me know if the performance is better/worse, and also stability
[08:51] <Riddell> anyone having kpdf problems on breezy with KDE 3.5?
[08:51] <tvo> I'll try too
[08:51] <sebas> Yup, if I get it to run in the first place.
[08:52] <Riddell> JRe?
[08:52] <tvo> Riddell: I don't have any problems with it
[08:52] <Sime> tvo: is there an  Option      "NVAgp" line in you /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[08:52] <tvo> Sime: no
[08:55] <Sime> tvo: it must be defaulting to 3 : use any agp support (try AGPGART, then NVIDIA's AGP)
[08:56] <tvo> Sime: apparently, and agpgart is compiled in the kernel.. or it would have been listed by lsmod?
[08:56] <Sime> tvo: the default kernel uses a module.
[08:56] <Sime> tvo: in breezy
[08:57] <sebas> Sime: glxgears report with agpgart 3875 fps, with nvidia-agp 5075.
[08:57] <tvo> strange, because there is no module, but yet there is output..
[08:57] <sebas> So it works, and it's a lot faster.
[08:58] <Sime> sebas: well, ... a fair bit faster. ;-)
[08:58] <Sime> sebas: did you hack your hotplug and module files?
[08:58] <tvo> is the NvAgp line the only thing to change to enable it?
[08:58] <sebas> Yup, otherwise it would use agpgart automatically.
[08:59] <sebas> In fact, it used nvidia-agp despite NVAgp 0 in xorg.conf.
[08:59] <Sime> but you might have trouble loading the nvidia agp module.
[09:00] <Sime> sebas: BTW, are you using PyWireless? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=28637
[09:00] <sebas> I didn't
[09:00] <sebas> Nope.
[09:01] <sebas> Why would I have trouble loading the agp module, when it's only disabled in xorg.conf?
[09:01] <Sime> the nvidia agp module might not want to load if the linux one is already loaded.
[09:03] <sebas> Ow, but I blacklisted it and rebooted (something held amd64_agp, so I couldn't unload that).
[09:03] <Sime> tja ja.
[09:03] <Sime> that 's the trick
[09:04] <sebas> I'll just try an OpenGL game, see if it's stable.
[09:04] <Sime> I'm trying to work out if displayconfig should manage the blacklist file too.
[09:04] <Sime> tuxracer makes a fairly good stress test.
[09:06] <tvo> Sime: I'll test nvagp sometime soon, just don't feel like restarting x atm and it isn't going to work on a second x..
[09:08] <Sime> tvo: fair enough.
[09:08] <Sime> i'm going downstairs.
[09:09] <sebas> FWIW, no crash.
[10:52] <Riddell> kat package needs an update, any volunteers?
[10:55] <dholbach> come on kubuntu developers: this is your first step to the kubuntu wall of fame! more enthusiasm! :-)
[10:55] <seth_k|lappy> I'm out and on the road and things until tonight (done with fall semester of uni today) but if you can wait till then I'll do it tonight :)
[10:55] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, you made me gun-shy with that krusader package and its scary bugs though :P
[10:56] <dholbach> seth_k|lappy: that's a challenge, get cracking on it! :)
[10:57] <Riddell> they're not all as bad as krusader :)
[10:57] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[10:58] <dholbach> seth_k|lappy: after all, it's fun and you can always whack upstream :)
[10:58] <dholbach> ... which reminds me...
[10:58] <seth_k|lappy> well then if you can wait till tonight (tomorrow for you) I'll deliver you a happy purring Kat
[10:58] <allee> dholbach: well, I assume we all test the kubuntu flight2 CD, no time for packages ;)
[10:59] <dholbach> do both :)
[11:00] <dholbach> seth_k|lappy: you'll become faster over the time, don't worry :)
[11:13] <dholbach> good night everybody
[11:37] <raphink> Riddell: are you there?