[12:08] <bobbyd> hi, how do I get this functionality: http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#id2508103
[12:11] <Hobbsee_away> bobbyd: adept updater - but it doesnt sit in your system tray automatically, unfortunately
[12:12] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee_away, bobbyd, the system tray notifier for KDE/Adept is almost done though :) it'll be in Dapper
[12:13] <Hobbsee_away> seth_k|lappy: yay!
[12:16] <viperX> Ladies and Gents, KDE-Look.org is back on!
[12:16] <LadyNikon> greetings
[12:17] <LadyNikon> How do you feel about kubuntu as a server?
[12:17] <dennis-> i don't know what you should need the kde part for
[12:17] <dennis-> but ubuntu should be fine for a server :)
[12:17] <LadyNikon> i just like kde over gnome
[12:17] <LadyNikon> heh
[12:18] <dennis-> well, i like kde over gnome too
[12:18] <dennis-> for a DESKTOP
[12:18] <dennis-> not for a SERVER
[12:18] <dennis-> :)
[12:19] <LadyNikon> heh
[12:20] <LadyNikon> i have a gentoo box but i dont have the time to do everything
[12:20] <Tm_T> yes, use ubuntu
[12:20] <LadyNikon> Tm_T: thats kinda why i am doing it
[12:20] <LadyNikon> i work in philly and live in md
[12:21] <LadyNikon> no time to muck around
[12:21] <LadyNikon> heh
[12:21] <Tm_T> and IF you need X, use WindowMaker or *Box
[12:21] <youssef> Hi all
[12:21] <youssef> :(
[12:22] <seth_k|lappy> bleh, how do you change kicker text color? /me can't find it
[12:23] <LadyNikon> heh
[12:23] <LadyNikon> i am a fluxbox fan
[12:23] <LadyNikon> but things in kde tend to break which is my field
[12:23] <youssef> i got a pb with a "vlc" client ! can someone light me ?
[12:25] <LadyNikon> pb?
[12:25] <LadyNikon> oh problem..
[12:26] <Voodoo_Vibe> Hey! when my 3d support works my sound doesnt! how come?
[12:28] <youssef> i try to use "adept" to install it but it doesnt work... so i try a ".deb" instalation and it doesnt work well :( ... now i go an "error in adept"
[12:29] <Voodoo_Vibe> any ideas how come its either good working graphics or working sound??
[12:31] <LjL> youssef: what exactly does not work?
[12:32] <youssef> i can't install 'vlc' :)
[12:32] <LjL> youssef: try "sudo aptitude install vlc" and, if you get an error, paste it in the pastebin
[12:34] <youssef> i miss close "adept" ^^! so it does nt work
[12:34] <youssef> trying
[12:34] <youssef> retrying
[12:35] <Voodoo_Vibe> any ideas how come its either good working graphics or working sound?? not both!
[12:36] <youssef> LjL   i try ... but dont work
[12:36] <youssef> want some details ?
[12:36] <LjL> youssef: yes. use the pastebin (see the channel topic) to paste the whole thing please
[12:37] <youssef> ok i will try
[12:38] <youssef> thanks
[12:41] <Voodoo_Vibe> any ideas how come its either good working graphics or working sound?? not both!
[12:41] <youssef> ok thats done
[12:41] <LjL> youssef: what's the URL?
[12:41] <youssef> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463034
[12:41] <youssef> hope i make it right
[12:41] <mrj> heyyyyyyyyyyy
[12:42] <mrj> guysss
[12:42] <youssef> :(
[12:42] <mrj> :)
[12:42] <youssef> :)
[12:42] <mrj> i have solved my problems
[12:42] <mrj> 2 of them
[12:42] <Voodoo_Vibe> any ideas how come its either good working graphics or working sound?? not both!
[12:42] <mrj> 1. xmms  broken menus
[12:42] <LjL> youssef: i think you might not all all the necessary repositories enabled... anyway, when i say "paste the whole thing", i meant the output from aptitude ;-)
[12:42] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe: what do u mean
[12:42] <mrj> hey guys
[12:42] <youssef> ok sorry
[12:43] <youssef> but it s in french
[12:43] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: ive installed fglrx for my ati card but now i dont have any sound
[12:43] <mrj> do you wanan know how you can change the default UGLY GTK Motif Theme ?
[12:43] <mrj> :)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> youssef: most people can cope with that :P
[12:43] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe: dunno i have never tried that
[12:43] <Hobbsee> there are tranlsators, after all
[12:43] <mrj> i have a nVidia
[12:43] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: get this when i try to run alsamixer No mixer elems found
[12:43] <youssef> :D
[12:44] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: it worked before reboot
[12:44] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe: alsaconf
[12:44] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: command not found
[12:44] <youssef> ok here it is
[12:45] <LjL> youssef: yeah, just paste the french, i'm italian, i'll manage to read it :)
[12:45] <mrj> yes you do not have alsa-utils i suppose
[12:45] <mrj> hmm i dunno - one choice is to instal alsa-utils
[12:45] <mrj> and try then
[12:46] <mrj> but it will install extrapackages
[12:46] <mrj> but it will install extra packages
[12:46] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: yes, cause when i type "sudo apt-get install alsa-utils" i get that it already exists
[12:46] <mrj> really ?
[12:46] <mrj> just a moment
[12:46] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: k
[12:54] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe:
[12:54] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe:  sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[12:54] <mrj> try this
[12:54] <mrj> or sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[12:55] <chopemax> hi, how can i disable the kde screensaver (not xscreensaver) when running mplayer?
[12:56] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: didnt do any good
[12:56] <mrj> hm
[12:56] <mrj> dunno then
[12:57] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: got this when i ran the last one, is that right??    http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463048
[12:57] <_ubuntu> hi all
[12:57] <chopemax> nobody has any script for this?
[12:58] <_ubuntu> can you guys point me to a god install explination for kubuntu ppc
[12:58] <_ubuntu> or a good one
[12:58] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe:  sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[12:59] <Voodoo_Vibe> * Shutting down ALSA...                                                 [ ok ] 
[12:59] <Voodoo_Vibe>  * Setting up ALSA...                                                    [ ok ] 
[01:00] <Voodoo_Vibe> but no sound
[01:00] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe:  give me the output of : lsmod
[01:00] <youssef> LjL !! !  so u find something ?
[01:01] <LjL> youssef: you didn't give me the new url with the paste ;)
[01:01] <youssef> but lol
[01:01] <youssef> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463037 here it is
[01:01] <chopemax> Voodoo_Vibe: didnt get to read your problem but maybe the soft you are running needs esd, you could try ' esd -nobeeps '
[01:01] <Voodoo_Vibe>  mrj: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463052
[01:02] <Voodoo_Vibe> chopemax: i get command not found "esd"
[01:02] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe: it should working
[01:02] <mrj> the modules are ok
[01:02] <mrj> it is loaded as module
[01:02] <mrj> try : alsamixer
[01:03] <mrj> and check if all the volumes are increased
[01:03] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: yeah... could there be something blocking it??
[01:03] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: yeah all volumes are up
[01:03] <mrj> then check the Kmix
[01:03] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: yes its up and max volume
[01:04] <mrj> hm
[01:04] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: but its weird i cant run alsamixer
[01:04] <mrj> sudo alsamixer ?
[01:04] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: says no mixer elems found
[01:05] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: same
[01:05] <mrj> moment
[01:05] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: k
[01:05] <LjL> youssef: hmm try "apt-cache show vlc" and paste the output again. also, paste your /etc/sources.list file
[01:06] <youssef> ok
[01:06] <haypo> hi! how can I kill gam_serveR?
[01:06] <haypo> gam_server
[01:07] <haypo> it eats too much memory and cpu, and I can't kill him!
[01:07] <haypo> (him=>it)
[01:07] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe: has it worked before ?
[01:07] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: yes it worken fine until i installed fglrx,,, after i rebootes it doesnt work
[01:08] <Voodoo_Vibe> worked*, rebooted*
[01:08] <james> how can i tell fix multiverse & universe are enabled correctly
[01:08] <_jeff> hey guys
[01:12] <_jeff> can anyone help me? im having a compile error
[01:12] <_jeff> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[01:12] <_jeff> i keep getting that error when i try to compile anything from source
[01:12] <haypo> _jeff, you need -dev packages
[01:12] <haypo> _jeff, like ... something like libx11-dev
[01:13] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: gonna reboot see if i get sound and no 3d support.....
[01:13] <_jeff> haypo: ok
[01:13] <_jeff> haypo: ok cool. is that the pack i need?
[01:14] <_jeff> haypo: is there a metapacage i can get for source compilations?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> !xincludes
[01:14] <ubotflu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[01:14] <Hobbsee> _jeff: ^
[01:15] <haypo> !gam_server
[01:15] <ubotflu> Not a clue, haypo
[01:15] <haypo> :-(
[01:15] <_jeff> hobbsee: thanks
[01:15] <Hobbsee> no problems _jeff
[01:16] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: nope, restart didnt help.... still no sound
[01:18] <youssef>  LjL    http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463068
[01:18] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe: i am searching too but i could not find any solution yet
[01:18] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: yeah this is strange!
[01:18] <youssef> LjL thats ok for u ?
[01:19] <LjL> youssef: yes, but i'm not sure what is going on. try "sudo apt-get update"
[01:19] <LjL> youssef: and then try again installing vlc
[01:19] <blanky> is kubuntu getting better, I mean, has it gotten better since say, last month?
[01:20] <youssef> LjL ... but which way u think i must install ?!
[01:20] <youssef> "adept" ?  manual ?
[01:21] <LjL> youssef: i'm making you use aptitude (or apt-get, not much difference) simply because i'm used to them. basically they do the same thing as Adept and other graphical package managers
[01:21] <LjL> it's just that i don't use Adept
[01:21] <kalenedrael> Hey, has anyone found that recent Hoary updates break OpenOffice?
[01:21] <youssef> okthks man
[01:21] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: HEY! i got sound when playing "planetpenguin racer"
[01:21] <youssef> Oo work well for me
[01:22] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: but not xmms
[01:22] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: or any other things on kde
[01:22] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe:  then run XMMS
[01:22] <kalenedrael> Well, openoffice is broken here, it segfaults when it tries to run.
[01:22] <mrj> and test the options
[01:22] <mrj> sound options
[01:23] <youssef> damn it doesnt work :S
[01:23] <kalenedrael> I've reinstalled it a couple of times, purged the configuration files and regenerated them.
[01:23] <blanky> is kubuntu getting better, I mean, has it gotten better since say, last month?
[01:23] <kalenedrael> Well, tried to regenerate them.
[01:23] <kalenedrael> The program that's supposed to generate them segfaults.
[01:23] <kalenedrael> The only thing I remember changing is installing some updated packages.
[01:23] <mrj> system settings - sound and multimedia
[01:23] <haypo> found it! write lines like "fsset ext3 none" in /etc/gamin/gaminrc, and then killall -9 gam_server ;-)
[01:24] <haypo> thanks for you help & bye
[01:24] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: still no sound tried alot of things
[01:25] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: and i still cant run alsamixer
[01:25] <yuly> holas
[01:25] <yuly> alguien me puede indicar como regresar a gnome, ahora utilizo kde
[01:26] <kkathman> !es
[01:26] <ubotflu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[01:27] <ClayG> oye
[01:27] <ClayG> que tu quero
[01:27] <ClayG> Just kidding, #ubuntu-es
[01:27] <blanky> Hispanohablantes, haha
[01:27] <youssef> thanks for help i will try again later ! ciao all
[01:31] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe: i dunno too
[01:31] <mrj> but i wanna find a solution
[01:31] <mrj> i do not want that to happen to me and not to know the solution
[01:32] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: it seems all the games have sound but not xmms and kde
[01:33] <sambagirl> you have to change your default driver for sound
[01:33] <sambagirl> i had this problems too
[01:33] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe:  have you tested the sound server _
[01:33] <wimpies> does anybody know where I can find the w32codecs package for mplayer ?
[01:33] <sambagirl> join #ubuntu they tell you right choice for this.
[01:33] <Hobbsee> !w32codecs
[01:33] <mrj> kartsd or something
[01:33] <wimpies> !w32codes
[01:33] <ubotflu> wimpies: Wish i knew
[01:33] <wimpies> !w32codecs
[01:34] <sambagirl> http://24.99.180.216:8080/ someone try ot see if my streaming is working
[01:34] <Hobbsee> wimpies: <ubotflu> somebody said w32codecs was a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-fda9cc5147253891fe3047263b82d787ab025bba to install
[01:34] <wimpies> what do you mean hobbsee ?
[01:34] <mrj> wimpies: apt-cache search w32 codecs
[01:34] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: where do i change default sound driver?
[01:35] <mrj> sambagirl:  no it is not working :)
[01:35] <mrj> sambagirl: i tried it with xmms
[01:35] <Hobbsee> well, the code worked for me lol..that's the output of it
[01:35] <sambagirl> sure it does is treaming with vlc
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Voodoo_Vibe: in kcontrol
[01:35] <sambagirl> umm try kaffiene
[01:36] <wimpies> Thx
[01:36] <sambagirl> try with somethign better than xmms is not a good streamer thign.
[01:36] <sambagirl> vlc is the best player ever created.
[01:37] <sambagirl> i try stream video if someone tell me audio working first.
[01:37] <sambagirl> http://24.99.180.216:8080/
[01:37] <sambagirl> how i can turn off the animaiton from kde or kubuntu?
[01:37] <mrj> sambagirl:  it is buffering with amarok but over and over again
[01:37] <mrj> nothing playes
[01:37] <mrj> nothing plays
[01:38] <Coolio10> how do i add resolutions because all i have is low ones
[01:38] <sambagirl> umm you try kaffiene or vlc?
[01:38] <mrj> Szstem settings - appearance _
[01:38] <sambagirl> hold let me check. i think to use ogg i hope.
[01:38] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl i get no URI handle... guess its me
[01:38] <Coolio10> if i put hiddenmenu for grub how do you still access it?
[01:38] <kalenedrael> Ok guys, how much of a risk is an apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:38] <kalenedrael> I'm on Hoary right now.
[01:38] <sambagirl> let me reststart
[01:39] <kkathman> kalenedrael: no risk if you've done all the prelim stuff
[01:39] <Hobbsee> Coolio10: not sure, but you can always go edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst again
[01:39] <sambagirl> ok now
[01:39] <Hobbsee> !tell kalenedrael about upgradetobreezy
[01:39] <Hobbsee> !tell kalenedrael about upgrade2breezy
[01:39] <nalioth> kalenedrael: you risk breakage NOT using it
[01:39] <kalenedrael> k
[01:39] <kalenedrael> nalioth, wha?
[01:39] <Coolio10> hey hobbsee
[01:39] <Hobbsee> hey Coolio10
[01:39] <Hobbsee> back soon
[01:40] <Coolio10> nearly killed my computer yesterday:-)
[01:40] <mrj> NO URI handler implemented for "http://24.99.180.216:8080/"
[01:40] <sambagirl> what is uri handler?
[01:40] <kkathman> well I quite
[01:40] <kkathman> quit
[01:40] <sambagirl> you try vlc?
[01:40] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: i get that too
[01:40] <mrj> i become that in kaffeine
[01:40] <sambagirl> umm
[01:40] <sambagirl> you try vlc?
[01:40] <nalioth> kalenedrael: a dist-upgrade upgrades you cleanly (if a pkg has been added that replaces a package you have installed)
[01:40] <mrj> sambagirl:  i have not vlc
[01:41] <sambagirl> i must have done something to mess it up
[01:41] <sambagirl> you not have VLC????
[01:41] <sambagirl> oh my
[01:41] <sambagirl> is the BEST media thing ever designed.
[01:41] <sambagirl> does everything.
[01:41] <crimsun> except for laundry
[01:41] <sambagirl> everything
[01:41] <sambagirl> ;)
[01:41] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: ive installed vlc it keeps downloading
[01:42] <sambagirl> yes we leave laundry duties for Crimsum
[01:42] <mrj> uups i have killed mu kde menu ....
[01:42] <sambagirl> umm ok leet me check.
[01:42] <mrj> :)
[01:43] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: i think its suppose to play audio that what i get but then i cant get any sound anywhere.... but games
[01:43] <sambagirl> umm
[01:43] <sambagirl>  you need to change your default thingy for audio.
[01:44] <sambagirl> http://24.99.180.216:8080/
[01:44] <sambagirl> i restart
[01:44] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: ive tried that but no luck...
[01:44] <sambagirl> you need to ask in #ubuntu voodoo_vibe
[01:45] <sambagirl> mrj is anything?
[01:46] <nalioth> !sound
[01:46] <ubotflu> sound is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[01:49] <kalenedrael> nalioth, so, dist-upgrade should be safe?
[01:49] <kalenedrael> As in, no fuxing of files, entire OS, etc...?
[01:49] <sambagirl> DONT DO IT KALENEDRAEL
[01:49] <nalioth> kalenedrael: yes, it should be fine.
[01:49] <kalenedrael> ...
[01:49] <sambagirl> you'll be sorry ;)
[01:49] <kalenedrael> :P
[01:49] <sambagirl> :D
[01:49] <nalioth> ubotflu: tell kalenedrael about apt-get
[01:49] <kalenedrael> wtf, I don't get it, is this a joke or something?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> kalenedrael: see your private messages
[01:50] <james> how can i tell fix multiverse & universe are enabled correctly
[01:50] <nalioth> kalenedrael: idk what sambagirl is on, but i suggest you read up on how apt-get works and make your own decision
[01:50] <kalenedrael> I know about apt-get, I'm just wondering if a dist-upgrade is safe. I read the page.
[01:50] <nalioth> kalenedrael: it is safe.
[01:50] <kalenedrael> I've heard things about it not working properly and causing people to have to reinstall their entire OS and such.
[01:51] <kalenedrael> Well, what the hell, I'll give it a shot. I'm no stranger to installing Linux once every few months :P
[01:51] <nalioth> kalenedrael: this only happens when people use NON ubuntu packages
[01:52] <kalenedrael> Ah, ok.
[01:52] <sambagirl> where is the AOL folder that comes with Ubuntu?
[01:52] <kalenedrael> Well I haven't installed any debs outside multiverse.
[01:52] <nalioth> kalenedrael: if you use ubuntu pkgs and ubuntu packaging methods when you compile your own stuff, you'll never have a problem
[01:52] <kalenedrael> I have compiled a bunch of programs from source.
[01:53] <kalenedrael> (They're all in /usr/local, though, which the updater shouldn't have to touch if it's sane.)
[01:53] <nalioth> kalenedrael: how did you install them?
[01:53] <kalenedrael> make install :P
[01:53] <nalioth> kalenedrael: may i point out "checkinstall"
[01:53] <nalioth> !tell kalenedrael about checkinstall
[01:53] <kalenedrael> I also compiled some kernels from source.
[01:53] <nalioth> it'll save your bacon from a wonky source build
[01:53] <kalenedrael> Thanks.
[01:54] <nalioth> it's not dh_make, but it's better than "make install"
[01:54] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: thanx for the tip on #ubuntu got it right now!! and i get sound from you!
[01:54] <sambagirl> great Voodoo_vibe :)
[01:55] <kalenedrael> nalioth, well, it's too late to apply that now, right?
[01:55] <sambagirl> i warned ou KAlenedrael
[01:55] <sambagirl> now is to late.
[01:55] <kalenedrael> :P
[01:55] <kalenedrael> I haven't done a dist-upgrade yet. :P
[01:55] <sambagirl> ahh
[01:56] <sambagirl> well be very careful it requires expertise in this function.
[01:56] <nalioth> kalenedrael: too late for your previously compiled proggys, yes
[01:56] <nalioth> kalenedrael: if you're speaking of checkinstall
[01:56] <kalenedrael> Yeah, ok.
[01:56] <kalenedrael> I'll trust it, though....
[01:57] <djib> hey
[01:57] <djib> on some pages in konqueror, I get the message 'cannot init alsasink'
[01:57] <Voodoo_Vibe> aahhhhh.... finally sound!! been quiet here for too long!  : )
[01:57] <djib> and it just crashes
[01:57] <djib> what can I do ?
[01:57] <djib> it is very annoying
[01:57] <sambagirl> :)
[01:57] <sambagirl> thank god for sound
[01:58] <djib> then I get a cannot initialise xvimvideosinl
[01:58] <sambagirl> is a new world now for you voodoo_vibe
[01:58] <djib> ok something like this
[01:58] <djib> any idea ?
[01:58] <sambagirl> yes djib
[01:58] <sambagirl> se AOL
[01:58] <kalenedrael> k, getting about a gig of packages.
[01:58] <sambagirl> use
[01:58] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: Yeah! LOL!! ... what language is it in the song your playing
[01:58] <sambagirl> AOL
[01:58] <djib> AOL ?
[01:58] <kalenedrael> 1157 upgraded, 408 newly installed, 76 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
[01:58] <kalenedrael> Need to get 983MB of archives.
[01:58] <kalenedrael> After unpacking 579MB of additional disk space will be used.
[01:58] <sambagirl> brasilian portugese
[01:58] <djib> what do you mean sambagirl ?
[01:58] <sambagirl> nothing djib ignore ;)
[01:59] <james> IS there a way to make sure the universe & multiverse are enabled?
[01:59] <djib> sambagirl: dammit ^^
[01:59] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: ok...... kinda sexy.... but i cant tell what shes singing..... doesnt matter...  :)
[01:59] <sambagirl> well is brasilian samba
[02:00] <Hobbsee> kalenedrael: yep, that looks right
[02:01] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: its good
[02:01] <sambagirl> quality good?
[02:01] <kalenedrael> Hobbsee, well, I don't get what the deal is with the 408 new packages o.O
[02:02] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagood: yes, quality and music
[02:02] <Voodoo_Vibe> ahhhhh... cant type
[02:02] <nalioth> kalenedrael: sometimes existing packages are no longer used, and new packages take their place
[02:02] <Hobbsee> kalenedrael: they'll be part of the upgrade - some of the current packages bring in new ones too
[02:02] <Hobbsee> like if they've been split up or whatever
[02:02] <raptor> kann you tell me the room for germen
[02:02] <kalenedrael> Hmm, well, it still seems like an awful lot.
[02:02] <nalioth> #ubuntu-de
[02:02] <kalenedrael> I'll trust it, though.
[02:02] <raptor> thanks
[02:02] <sambagirl> will try videon streaming next.
[02:02] <nalioth> raptor: kein problem
[02:02] <sambagirl> video
[02:03] <sambagirl> does kubuntu handle video streaming?
[02:04] <nalioth> sambagirl: if you have the codecs, yes
[02:04] <sambagirl> why not just have them included in ubuntu install/setup?
[02:05] <nalioth> sambagirl: licensing issues
[02:06] <sambagirl> money money money
[02:06] <sambagirl> is that all there is?
[02:07] <nalioth> !multimedia
[02:07] <ubotflu> well, multimedia is for codecs,  http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03.html#sect-music-and-movies ; and for applications, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[02:08] <dono> hi all
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hi
[02:09] <djib> video editor > kino
[02:09] <djib> kino sucks !
[02:09] <dono> hi hobsee
[02:10] <dono> i need help with midi in kubuntu
[02:11] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: u turned it off?
[02:11] <sambagirl> loading different playlist
[02:11] <Voodoo_Vibe> ok
[02:11] <sambagirl> it restart?
[02:11] <sambagirl> brb
[02:11] <fdelacruz> guys how can I update manually my webmin, rigth now Im using 1.230 I got this when I install using apt-get, I need to upgrade it to 1.250 so that I can install the module of samba and squid
[02:12] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: yes up and running
[02:12] <sambagirl> sounds is wonderful, no? :D
[02:12] <sambagirl> i had same problem you had.
[02:12] <sambagirl> brb
[02:12] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: yeah its good!
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> hehe, superkaramba == using scripting language to monitor things like cpu == sends cpu to the roof.
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> depending on the theme anyway.
[02:14] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: hehe yeah, i've noticed that
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> plus it's a nice GUI eye candy tool that lacks a lot of GUI config options for most of them. kind of oxymoronic.
[02:16] <seth_k|lappy> LeeJunFan, hum. I use fantastik and i'm zipping along at 3% cpu
[02:16] <seth_k|lappy> fantastik = cpu monitor for superkaramba, btw
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> seth_k|lappy: thanks, I'll look that one up.
[02:18] <Knowerrors> Hey all, why would kwin be using 65-80% cpu? (not normal for me)
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: maybe your cpu is shrinking.
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> :)
[02:20] <Knowerrors> hmm, or its bored, I don't do gaming... so maybe an afternoon workout
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: yeah, I could heat my house with my laptop when I play battlefield2 or SWAT4. :)
[02:23] <Voodoo_Vibe> well gonna go to bed now!! nite nite everyone!!!
[02:24] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: I do have 2 instances of kwin running for some reason, ones using 90%, other is using 0.3%
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: now that's odd, maybe kill the one with the higher pid.
[02:26] <Knowerrors> just did, fixed it... but why 2 of em running
[02:26] <Knowerrors> would opening up xine open up another kwin?
[02:27] <os2mac> hey everyone
[02:27] <benkong2> !tell benkong2 about repos
[02:28] <Vivaldi> hello
[02:30] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: its all fine now, just wonder what opened up extra kwin...
[02:32] <mrj> !mplayer
[02:32] <ubotflu> rumour has it, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[02:32] <Insomniac-> done picking parts for my new system :)
[02:35] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: do you know how to join wmv files into one?
[02:35] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: can't say that I do.
[02:36] <LeeJunFan> cat wmv2>>wmv1 :)
[02:36] <Knowerrors> yeah, they said that over in #ubuntu, didn't seem like it would work for a media file
[02:37] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: no, it wouldnt.
[02:37] <Insomniac-> try some encoding front end
[02:37] <Knowerrors> like ffmpeg?
[02:37] <Insomniac-> isn't ffmpeg some playback program?
[02:38] <Knowerrors> "FFmpeg is a very fast video and audio converter"
[02:39] <Insomniac-> sounds good
[02:39] <Insomniac-> go for it :)
[02:39] <Knowerrors> someone just suggested mencoder in #kde
[02:40] <Knowerrors> ffmpeg is cli, Im lazy :)
[02:40] <Insomniac-> yep that's another well known encoder
[02:40] <Insomniac-> mencoder has a gui front end iirc
[02:40] <Knowerrors> What does it mean in the repos when it says <packagename>-custom
[02:40] <sambagirl> cli is amiga, no?
[02:40] <Knowerrors> comand line interface = cli
[02:41] <MrClever> If a GUI requires more than a handful of clicks to get the job done - it'll probably be quicker to script it :)
[02:41] <Insomniac-> not if it's something you'll only do once
[02:41] <MrClever> Depends how good your scripting skills are I guess.
[02:41] <deemo> Hello everyone, I have a quick question and i hope it wont take too much time: I installed ubuntu via the install discs, and then downloaded the kubuntu-desktop with apt-get, but still with some applications such as firefox or the eclipse IDE, the KDE theme is not applied. Any idea how to fix this?
[02:41] <Knowerrors> "This version is for your own machine :-)" what does that mean in the repositories, referring to a package?
[02:41] <Insomniac-> MrClever: it takes time reading manpages
[02:42] <Insomniac-> esp. video related stuff tends to have tons of switches
[02:42] <MrClever> firefox and eclipse are GTK applications - they don't use KDE/Qt themes.
[02:42] <MrClever> Insomniac-: you're assuming I need the man page ;)
[02:42] <swim> hi, Im using ubuntu, which I love, but I'd like to use kde instead of gnome... do you all recommend I use kubuntu, or should I just install kde from within ubuntu?
[02:42] <deemo> so its not possible to set the eclipse theme on them?
[02:43] <crimsun> swim: install kubuntu-desktop
[02:43] <Knowerrors> deemo: system settings, appearance, gtk looknfeel, select to look like kde for fonts and look
[02:43] <Insomniac-> MrClever: don't know about you but i needed the mplayer manpage to get it working properly
[02:43] <Insomniac-> it just has too many options
[02:44] <MrClever> deemo: To get GTK apps to look nicer in KDE you might want to install "gtk2-engines-gtk-qt" - Makes your GTK 2 apps look like Qt ones
[02:44] <swim> crimsun, no difference than installing from kubuntu iso? (I ask because I don't mind reinstalling, I keep all of my personal files on my second drive...)
[02:44] <crimsun> swim: not real need to reinstall, but it's not precisely identical since you already have GNOME
[02:44] <crimsun> err, s/not real/no real/
[02:44] <Knowerrors> deemo: do what MrClever said first, then do what I said
[02:45] <swim> crimsun, eh in that case I'll just go ahead and d/l kubuntu, thx
[02:45] <Insomniac-> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt came installed by default here
[02:45] <deemo> Knowerrors: it is already installed. I go to the GTK themes section, but there is no set KDE theme. Should i just choose one that kinda looks like it?
[02:45] <MrClever> deemo: "apt-cache search gtk2-engines"
[02:46] <Knowerrors> no, choose use my kde style...
[02:46] <Knowerrors> and use my kde fonts
[02:46] <Knowerrors> then it will match whatver you have selected for kde style and fonts
[02:46] <swim> hmm no kubuntu torrents?
[02:46] <deemo> i dont see where that is
[02:47] <Knowerrors> system settings>appeareance and themes>GTK styles fonts
[02:48] <swim> bbl thx all
[02:48] <deemo> oh weird, for some reason, its not running, it just starts and closes
[02:49] <deemo> do you know the console command? that tends to work well with it
[02:50] <deemo> what i did do, was use gnome-theme-manager and set it to Qt
[02:50] <deemo> that seems to work well now
[02:50] <deemo> thanks!
[02:50] <fyrmedic> join #linux
[02:50] <fyrmedic> oop[s
[02:54] <Insomniac-> can't seem to find specs for the default amd cpu coolers
[02:54] <brokendreams> how can i use my pocket pc with kubuntu?
[02:55] <brokendreams> i am running windows mobile on it
[02:55] <brokendreams> not linux
[02:56] <sambagirl> i use pocket pc too
[02:57] <sambagirl> but it has telefon with it toshiba 2032 sp i not sure i can use ubuntu on it.
[02:59] <brokendreams> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PocketPCHowto?action=show&redirect=HowToPocketPC
[02:59] <brokendreams> is that what i need to read?
[03:00] <Insomniac-> sounds like it
[03:00] <sambagirl> yes encyclopedia
[03:00] <sambagirl> is only 10000 pages ;)
[03:00] <sambagirl> then you konw everything obbout nothing.
[03:01] <brokendreams> wonder if it will work with hp jordanda 56*
[03:02] <Insomniac-> well if you can restore it to stock condition without too much trouble, just try it
[03:04] <brokendreams> its my brothers
[03:04] <brokendreams> lol
[03:04] <brokendreams> but i might buy it from him if it works
[03:04] <sambagirl> yo can always go back to default with reset buttion you konw.
[03:04] <sambagirl> know
[03:05] <brokendreams> but first he need to make sure he doesent have anything inportent on it and hes lazy
[03:05] <brokendreams> and right now hes reading so not a good time to ask
[03:05] <Insomniac-> just keep badgering him until he backs up his data
[03:06] <sambagirl> just do full backup on thing first
[03:06] <brokendreams> hell just tell me to leave him alone
[03:06] <sambagirl> :)
[03:06] <brokendreams> he wqas going to get paid for putting old records on a cd about a year ago and he still has that poor mans records lol
[03:07] <kalenedrael> Ok, it looks like I'm reinstalling my entire system.
[03:07] <kalenedrael> Looks good so far.
[03:07] <brokendreams> never did it
[03:07] <brokendreams> he hasent used his ppc for over a year
[03:07] <brokendreams> someone stole my last pocket pc :(
[03:07] <Insomniac-> do a full backup of the thing
[03:08] <brokendreams> i'll go ask him...maybe
[03:09] <brokendreams> depends on if hes reading the bible or just a book
[03:11] <brokendreams> hes mumbleing to him self lol
[03:11] <brokendreams> i'll ask him lator
[03:11] <brokendreams> later
[03:11] <brokendreams> has anyone tryed linux ion there ppc?
[03:11] <sambagirl> i did
[03:12] <sambagirl> on casiopia
[03:12] <sambagirl> just try it
[03:12] <nalioth> brokendreams: ppc ?
[03:12] <brokendreams> just try what?
[03:12] <brokendreams> oh umm
[03:12] <brokendreams> pocket pc sorry
[03:13] <sambagirl> jaja
[03:13] <brokendreams> is the linux any good?
[03:13] <brokendreams> can i run linux sofware on it or only linux for pocketpc software?
[03:13] <sambagirl> it's better than AOL
[03:13] <sambagirl> :D
[03:14] <Insomniac-> there's only one way to find out whether you'll like it: try it :)
[03:15] <brokendreams> i dont have a pocket pc lol
[03:15] <Insomniac-> what's the noise level like with stock amd cpu coolers? i can't seem to find specs on amd's site
[03:15] <brokendreams> and if i messed with my brothers
[03:15] <brokendreams> hed get mad
[03:15] <brokendreams> hes kinda sinsative about his stuff
[03:15] <Insomniac-> brokendreams: just ask him at dinner or something whether can do a backup and try linux on the thing
[03:16] <Insomniac-> whether you*
[03:16] <brokendreams> wouldent trust me
[03:16] <brokendreams> lol
[03:17] <brokendreams> i just want to see if i can connect it before buying it
[03:17] <sambagirl> well then forget this thing then.
[03:17] <brokendreams> i'll ask him..sometime
[03:17] <sambagirl> well you not know if you not try, and since your not try, you not know.
[03:18] <sambagirl> so your just living a brokendream
[03:18] <brokendreams> lol
[03:19] <brokendreams> ill look for a chance to ask him
[03:19] <brokendreams> oh well
[03:19] <brokendreams> by guys
[03:20] <sambagirl> i betting he never ask him ;)
[03:20] <Insomniac-> i'm betting he'll ponder asking for another week or so, and when he finally does his brother says no
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> I tweaked my runlevels a bit and now KDM starts ok, but the tty stays at 1 and should switch to 7
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> how to get my default runlevels back?
[03:22] <Insomniac-> just edit them
[03:23] <Insomniac-> i don't think that has to do with the actual kdm initscript
[03:23] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: yes, but I want to know the defaults
[03:24] <Insomniac-> did you edit any initscript or just change in which runlevels they start?
[03:24] <mrj> hey
[03:24] <mrj> Insomniac-:  help me pls
[03:24] <mrj> i ve installed a mplayer
[03:24] <jeroenvrp> I did turn off some processes with sysv-rc-conf
[03:24] <mrj> and mplayer fonts
[03:24] <mrj> and i wanna use cyrillic fonts
[03:25] <Insomniac-> you can use any font but iirc mplayer specifically wants truetype fonts
[03:25] <mrj> there are cyrillic fonts in /usr/share/mplayer/fonts but they are raw fonts
[03:25] <sambagirl> mplayer...use vlc
[03:25] <mrj> how could i convert them to ttf ?
[03:25] <mrj> sambagirl:  :)
[03:25] <Insomniac-> mrj: i don't know if that is possible
[03:26] <mrj> Insomniac-: i think so
[03:26] <Insomniac-> mrj: see if you have any cyrillic ttf font
[03:26] <mrj> Insomniac-:  how can i see that
[03:26] <mrj> even the xfonts-cyrillic is not installed
[03:26] <mrj> i can not find it on a repository
[03:27] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: I fixed it now
[03:27] <mrj> and when i download it and try to install it with dpkg  i encourage errors
[03:27] <Insomniac-> find /usr/share/fonts -name *.ttf | grep cyrillic
[03:27] <jeroenvrp> by turning on the evms service
[03:27] <mrj> nope
[03:27] <mrj> not at all
[03:27] <Insomniac-> find some cyrillic ttf font using google and install that
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> this is very strange, because on the PC I'm working now (I have 2 kubuntu installs) turning off  evms does not make any difference
[03:28] <Insomniac-> jeroenvrp: weird
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> and what has  evms (Enterprise Volume Management System) to do with X or KDM
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> ?
[03:28] <Insomniac-> by my logic kdm is kdm (is kdm.. ) and the initscript isn't affected by other stuff
[03:29] <mrj> does it matter if they are windows ttf or linux ttf ?
[03:29] <Insomniac-> mrj: i don't think so, but i'm not 100% sure
[03:29] <jeroenvrp> the only difference is kde 3.4.3 and kde 3.5 (the one with evms)
[03:30] <Insomniac-> evms has nothing to do with X/KDE/KDM
[03:30] <jeroenvrp> and why is evms default
[03:30] <Insomniac-> for corporate deployments probably
[03:30] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: but I tested it twice and that service indeed did the trick
[03:30] <LeeJunFan> who will give me a dollar to change my nick to LinusTorvalds and join #gnome today? :)
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> can someone please check on which runlevers evms is set?
[03:31] <mrj> !cyrillic
[03:31] <ubotflu> mrj: Do they come in packets of five?
[03:31] <mrj> !cp11251
[03:31] <ubotflu> mrj: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> Now I have put on 2-3-4-5
[03:31] <Insomniac-> jeroenvrp: see if you can find the actual command in the evms initscript that fixes your problem, you might want to report that as a bug
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: I should do that yes
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: can you see the runlevels evms is set
[03:32] <wimpies> looking for libdvdcss2 package ... ?
[03:32] <Insomniac-> jeroenvrp: hold on
[03:32] <Insomniac-> keep in mind my initscripts are not default kubuntu
[03:32] <wimpies> !libdvdcss2
[03:32] <ubotflu> wimpies: No idea
[03:32] <Insomniac-> i don't remember if i changed evms
[03:33] <jeroenvrp> is it om?
[03:33] <jeroenvrp> on?
[03:33] <Insomniac-> jeroenvrp: runlevels 0, 6 and S
[03:33] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: aha, thanks
[03:33] <Insomniac-> but my runlevels might not be stock kubuntu
[03:34] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: I try that and see if the problem is still fixed
[03:34] <kalenedrael> Ok, there's a problem here with dist-upgrade.
[03:35] <kalenedrael> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-sip4-qt3_4.2.1-1ubuntu4_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[03:35] <kalenedrael>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sipconfig.py', which is also in package python2.4-sip-qt3
[03:35] <kalenedrael> How can I fix this?
[03:36] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: with those runlevels the problem si back
[03:37] <Insomniac-> kalenedrael: see if apt has an option to overwrite old config files forcefully
[03:37] <kalenedrael> What if I just remove the old file?
[03:37] <Insomniac-> kalenedrael: that would work but if there are more errors it'll take you more time to find and delete them all
[03:38] <Insomniac-> jeroenvrp: now that you mention it, my system also starts in tty1 sometimes
[03:38] <kalenedrael> Hm, ok.
[03:38] <Insomniac-> jeroenvrp: didn't think of it because i don't reboot much
[03:39] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: mmm seems like a real bug than
[03:39] <Insomniac-> i thought it was a problem that was connected to using xinerama
[03:39] <Coolio10> hi
[03:40] <Coolio10> if i installed kubuntu from an ubuntu installation how would it work?
[03:40] <Coolio10> would it just read inoformation from the ubuntu install?
[03:40] <Insomniac-> apt-get install kde-desktop
[03:40] <Insomniac-> no need for the kubuntu install cd
[03:40] <Coolio10> yes i know but how would it work?
[03:40] <Insomniac-> it would add kde packages to your system
[03:40] <Coolio10> ok
[03:41] <Insomniac-> you could choose to use kde or gnome in the graphical login manager
[03:41] <Coolio10> ok
[03:41] <Coolio10> thanks
[03:41] <Coolio10> i had problems with kubuntu so ill try ubuntu and install kubuntu on it
[03:41] <nalioth> Insomniac-: it's apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:42] <nalioth> Coolio10: it'd allow you to choose which session you want to use (kde, gnome, etc)
[03:42] <Coolio10> it wasnt detecting my video card well so i had really low res
[03:42] <Insomniac-> nalioth: right.. was wondering whether that was correct
[03:42] <kalenedrael> Insomniac-, I tried removing the file but it still complains that it's there and it's going to be overridden.
[03:42] <nalioth> Coolio10: there is also xubuntu
[03:42] <nalioth> !xubuntu
[03:42] <ubotflu> rumour has it, xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[03:42] <Insomniac-> kalenedrael: see if apt has an option to forcefully overwrite
[03:42] <Coolio10> is xubuntu any good?
[03:42] <kalenedrael> Insomniac-, no, it doesn't...
[03:43] <crimsun> ubotflu: xubuntu ~= s/XFCE instead of Gnome/Xfce instead of GNOME/
[03:43] <ubotflu> crimsun: Syntax error in line 1
[03:43] <Insomniac-> kalenedrael: hmm i'm not sure how to fix it then
[03:43] <crimsun> ubotflu: xubuntu =~ s/XFCE instead of Gnome/Xfce instead of GNOME/
[03:43] <ubotflu> OK, crimsun
[03:44] <Coolio10> is it possible to get xfce/kde/gnome in one ubuntu install because you can get xubuntu-desktop package from synpatic
[03:44] <Insomniac-> sure
[03:45] <Coolio10> thats would be about 30gb?
[03:45] <Insomniac-> i doubt adding 2 wm's would use more than 2gb
[03:45] <nalioth> Coolio10: you'd have to issue multiple arguments to get all of it at once
[03:45] <kalenedrael> Insomniac-, I'm using dpkg manually.
[03:46] <kalenedrael> Last time I did that, though, a full reinstall was required :P
[03:46] <Insomniac-> kalenedrael: dpkg has --force options, see the manpage
[03:46] <Coolio10> would ubuntu and kubuntu be fine?
[03:46] <Coolio10> thats about 15gb?
[03:47] <Coolio10> i have enough free space
[03:47] <kalenedrael> Insomniac-, correct, I used the proper --force options.
[03:47] <Insomniac-> kalenedrael: still not working?
[03:47] <nalioth> Coolio10: xubuntu takes up almost no space at all, go for a trifecta
[03:48] <kalenedrael> Insomniac-, well, it's crunching. I'm running sudo apt-get -f install.
[03:48] <kalenedrael> Looks functional so far.
[03:50] <Insomniac-> Coolio10: i doubt you'll need more than 5gb as / unless it includes your home directory
[03:55] <Coolio10> well im quiete a downloader soyou dont know how much space i can consume very quickly!
[03:55] <Coolio10> how much space does a  linux app use?
[03:55] <Coolio10> average use
[03:57] <kalenedrael> How big is a rock?
[03:57] <manveru> average rock
[03:57] <sambagirl> how big is a blackhole?
[03:57] <manveru> how big is a house...
[03:57] <sambagirl> how big is a blackhole?
[03:57] <LeeJunFan> Yo mamma is so big!
[03:58] <manveru> sambagirl: it has no size... well - at least nobody would be able to measure it ^^
[03:58] <sambagirl> sure you can measure if your in blackhole time and space continuim using blackhole toolkit ;)
[04:00] <manveru> in this case you might get very odd results :)
[04:00] <sambagirl> :)
[04:01] <manveru> Coolio10: the average size is 1kb-400mb ... does that help you?
[04:01] <Coolio10> brb guys just gonna remove kubuntu and install ubuntu then will be back!
[04:01] <Coolio10> k thanks
[04:01] <Coolio10> not too much so i will give 15gb for my docs and programs
[04:02] <sambagirl> why he is doing this?
[04:02] <Tm_T> because nobody said "NO!" ?
[04:02] <Coolio10> why is who doing what?
[04:02] <manveru> why are _you_ doing _that_?
[04:03] <manveru> [04:01]  <Coolio10> brb guys just gonna remove kubuntu and install ubuntu then will be back!
[04:03] <Coolio10> ??
[04:03] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[04:03] <Insomniac-> replacing kubuntu with ubuntu is pointless, you could just install the gnome packages
[04:03] <Coolio10> bored
[04:03] <manveru> yeah, like Insomniac- says
[04:03] <Coolio10> i was unsuccessful with kubuntu
[04:04] <manveru> in what aspect?
[04:04] <Coolio10> i messed up my first install so now my other ones are missing lots of the install steps
[04:04] <Coolio10> so im missing resolutions and many other computer setup
[04:05] <manveru> hmm i see...
[04:05] <manveru> well, when you're bored anyway :)
[04:05] <Insomniac-> reconfigure X to fix the resolution setup
[04:05] <Coolio10> so i will try ubuntu to see if it is also skipping steps and acting odd
[04:05] <Coolio10> i tried reconfigure x and the last step to configure it i dont understand
[04:05] <Insomniac-> what is the last step?
[04:05] <Coolio10> brb
[04:05] <Coolio10> ill check
[04:09] <sambagirl> why you not going out on a date instead of playing with your ubuntu?
[04:10] <Tm_T> because it's 0510 here
[04:12] <manveru> it's 04:11 here...
[04:13] <ProtectYaNeck> can some one tell me or point me to an article which lists some of the biggest differences between kde and gnome?
[04:13] <kkathman> hi manveru :)
[04:13] <manveru> ProtectYaNeck: linus torvalds says : use KDE and stay happy :)
[04:13] <manveru> kkathman: hey ^^
[04:14] <kkathman> thats right :) just saw that article today
[04:14] <Tm_T> ProtectYaNeck: I can tell them: Gnome is simpler, that means more restrictive (but if you like the way gnome is...)
[04:14] <Tm_T> KDE has more gnobs and switches
[04:14] <coolio10> im back
[04:14] <Tm_T> that means, more configurable
[04:15] <manveru> coolio10: hey - what did you find out
[04:15] <ProtectYaNeck> heh, I guess I sould have expected biased answers in #kubuntu
[04:15] <coolio10> its the step where it lets you choose what modules for xserver
[04:15] <coolio10> i dont know how to select the modules
[04:15] <manveru> ProtectYaNeck: yeap - you should...
[04:15] <manveru> ProtectYaNeck: but there are really few articles about that topic that are not biased...
[04:15] <ProtectYaNeck> yeah I know, that's why I've been asking people
[04:15] <coolio10> if i press enter it just goes to the next step so i want to know how to turn the modules on and off without going to the next step
[04:16] <manveru> ProtectYaNeck: maybe you just ask the guys on #ubuntu what they like about GNOME and compare it to our opinions
[04:16] <ProtectYaNeck> it's hard to weigh out the snr in kde vs. gnome articles
[04:16] <Tm_T> hard to be unbiased when gnome sucks so hard ;--P
[04:16] <coolio10> it just has stars next to the modules
[04:16] <kkathman> lol Tm_T :)
[04:16] <manveru> ProtectYaNeck: i would suggest that you just install them both and find it out for yourself
[04:16] <Tm_T> kkathman: aye, I can't even set printer working, tried it several times
[04:16] <kkathman> hmm
[04:17] <Tm_T> kkathman: in KDE? hum, click this and that... voil
[04:17] <kkathman> Tm_T:  do you use thunderbird mail or kontact?
[04:17] <Tm_T> Kmail (Kontact)
[04:17] <kkathman> er kmail
[04:17] <kkathman> ok
[04:17] <Tm_T> used thunderbird
[04:17] <manveru> thunderbird is just not cutting the edge...
[04:18] <kkathman> Tm_T: you know how to interface Thunderbird directly into FF under LInux, cuz FFx doesnt have the same things the WIndows Version has :(
[04:18] <Tm_T> it just don't talk with my other apps like Kmail does
[04:18] <manveru> it was ok for me in windows - but on linux there is kmail so much better :)
[04:18] <kkathman> manveru: exactly
[04:18] <kkathman> both FFox and Tbird are signifacantly less in the LInux version
[04:19] <Tm_T> both are light
[04:19] <manveru> this is why konqueror is a rising star
[04:19] <Tm_T> both are good in light use
[04:19] <kkathman> yah but konqy just doesnt render some sites out there..or renders them oddly
[04:19] <manveru> coolio10: where are you right now?
[04:19] <kkathman> sorry :(
[04:19] <manveru> hey, firefox isn't perfect as well :)
[04:19] <coolio10> in konversation
[04:20] <manveru> but both are _so_ much better than ie ^^
[04:20] <manveru> coolio10: so you are on the computer that has the setup-problems?
[04:20] <manveru> coolio10: and X is running
[04:20] <kkathman> manveru: yes you are right..FFox isnt
[04:20] <manveru> coolio10: that means you only have problems setting the resolution?
[04:20] <kkathman> but wow if you get that FasterFox extension it FLIES
[04:20] <Tm_T> kkathman: like http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/
[04:21] <coolio10> yes
[04:21] <manveru> kkathman: got it, this is why i use ff 1.5 :)
[04:21] <kkathman> yah
[04:21] <manveru> coolio10: ok, please do the following
[04:22] <manveru> coolio10: please tell me what graphics-card you're using
[04:22] <kkathman> dont get me wrong..Konqy does a pretty good job..and its a very good file manager
[04:23] <manveru> kkathman: there should be a pastebincat-program that works like cat, just pastes it to the net :)
[04:23] <coolio10> im using Nvidia GeForce 4 MX Integrated GPU
[04:23] <rafx> speakin of tbird, anyone know if 1.5 will be out soon or if 1.5rc can use autoupdate to grab 1.5 release?
[04:23] <coolio10> xserver supports it and has it on thelist its just that im having problems going through the reconfiguew
[04:25] <Insomniac-> coolio10: if you know what the module is called (nv or nvidia in your case) you can also edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly
[04:26] <coolio10> what do i need to editi nside it im in it now
[04:26] <Insomniac-> the device section
[04:26] <Insomniac-> it'll have a line Driver "something"
[04:27] <manveru> damnit... back again...
[04:27] <Insomniac-> change something to nv or nvidia if you have the binary driver installed
[04:28] <coolio10> Section "Device"
[04:28] <coolio10> 	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] "
[04:28] <coolio10> 	Driver		"nv"
[04:28] <coolio10> 	BusID		"PCI:2:0:0"
[04:28] <coolio10> EndSection
[04:28] <Insomniac-> and that doesn't work for you?
[04:28] <coolio10> nope
[04:28] <Insomniac-> or do you want higher resolutions?
[04:29] <coolio10> i go to system settings then display but only have 2 low resolutions
[04:29] <coolio10> i want higher
[04:29] <Insomniac-> go to the Screen section
[04:29] <Insomniac-> it'll list some resolutions
[04:29] <Insomniac-> add the ones you want
[04:29] <manveru> he could just run dexconf ...
[04:30] <coolio10> Section "Screen"
[04:30] <coolio10> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[04:30] <coolio10> 	Device		"NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] "
[04:30] <coolio10> 	Monitor		"SyncMaster"
[04:30] <Insomniac-> manveru: he's not able to do it with the config frontend
[04:30] <coolio10> 	DefaultDepth	24
[04:30] <coolio10> 	SubSection "Display"
[04:30] <coolio10> 		Depth		1
[04:30] <coolio10> 		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:30] <coolio10> 	EndSubSection
[04:30] <coolio10> it has the res o want but i cant use them for some reason
[04:30] <Insomniac-> coolio10: what res are you running at now?
[04:30] <manveru> Insomniac-: that implies no frontent... it's fully automagic
[04:30] <Insomniac-> manveru: not automagic for him
[04:31] <coolio10> 640by480
[04:31] <manveru>                 Modes           "1152x864" "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:31] <manveru> that's mine for 24...
[04:31] <nalioth> coolio10: <ahem> /topic ?
[04:31] <nalioth> pasting is so rude
[04:31] <coolio10> sorry
[04:31] <Tm_T> aye
[04:32] <Insomniac-> coolio10: see what it lists for defaultdepth 24
[04:32] <coolio10> cant get to the paste bin with this resoltuion
[04:32] <Tm_T> you can a roo you can
[04:33] <coolio10> it doesnt have any
[04:33] <Insomniac-> ah there is your problem
[04:33] <Insomniac-> change Depth 1 to Depth 24
[04:33] <Tm_T> whoa
[04:33] <Insomniac-> you'll probably never use Depth 1 anyway
[04:33] <Tm_T> humm, hard b/W
[04:33] <Tm_T> 1 bit colour depth
[04:34] <coolio10> Section "Screen"
[04:34] <coolio10> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[04:34] <coolio10> 	Device		"NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] "
[04:34] <coolio10> 	Monitor		"SyncMaster"
[04:34] <coolio10> 	DefaultDepth	24
[04:34] <coolio10> 	SubSection "Display"
[04:34] <coolio10> 		Depth		1
[04:34] <coolio10> 		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:34] <coolio10> 	EndSubSection
[04:34] <coolio10> oops
[04:34] <coolio10> didnt mean to do that
[04:34] <coolio10> not used to kde
[04:35] <coolio10> for 24 i have all the sizes i need
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[04:35] <coolio10> and the default is set to 24 already
[04:35] <Insomniac-> ok then it should work
[04:35] <Insomniac-> save the xorg.conf
[04:35] <Insomniac-> and restart X
[04:35] <nalioth> coolio10: restart X by "ctrl-alt-bksp"
[04:37] <coolio10> still doesnt work
[04:37] <Insomniac-> coolio10: paste your xorg.conf at pastebin and i'll take a look
[04:37] <manveru> coolio10: try changing it with ctrl+alt+-/+
[04:38] <manveru> the - or + from the numpad
[04:38] <coolio10> no luck
[04:38] <manveru> :|
[04:40] <coolio10> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463242
[04:41] <nalioth> coolio10: i'm sorry i'm not familiar with your original question, can you refresh me?
[04:41] <coolio10> how to change the resolution
[04:41] <coolio10> because my install didnt go so smooth
[04:41] <Insomniac-> coolio10: your xorg.conf file seems to be valid
[04:42] <Insomniac-> you should be running at 1024x768 at 24 bit
[04:42] <Insomniac-> by default
[04:42] <coolio10> hmmm
[04:42] <coolio10> very odd
[04:42] <nalioth> coolio10: watch ubotu
[04:42] <Insomniac-> do you see any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[04:42] <nalioth> !xcfg
[04:42] <ubotu> xcfg is, like, totally, to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:43] <Insomniac-> nalioth: he's already tryed that
[04:43] <nalioth> coolio10: when you get to the part where you choose resolutions, use the space bar to deselect the ones you won't use
[04:44] <coolio10> what about choosing the ones i want?
[04:44] <coolio10> are you talking about the res part during the installation?
[04:45] <nalioth> coolio10: if you only work in ONE rez, why do you need choices?
[04:46] <coolio10> ?
[04:46] <Insomniac-> nalioth: he's stuck at 640x480
[04:46] <manveru> nalioth: if i only use vim, why do STILL have nano? :)
[04:46] <manveru> +i somewhere in between...
[04:46] <Insomniac-> coolio10: do you see any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[04:47] <Insomniac-> manveru: because you didn't build your own distro
[04:47] <Insomniac-> (:
[04:47] <nalioth> coolio10: deselect everything BUT the rez you want
[04:47] <manveru> Insomniac-: ^^ - no, i'm only too lazy to uninstall all the stuff i don't use
[04:47] <coolio10> deselect it where
[04:47] <frank23> hi everyone check this out http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00025.html
[04:48] <frank23> in response to linus supporting kde
[04:48] <manveru> frank23: we know it already :)
[04:48] <frank23> manveru: the response?
[04:48] <Insomniac-> what does linus have to do with kde?
[04:48] <coolio10> from where?
[04:49] <manveru> frank23: uhm, yeah - i have read the whole thread
[04:49] <Insomniac-> coolio10: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log at pastebin, i'll take a look at it
[04:49] <manveru> Insomniac-: he just said that users should stick with kde, that's all
[04:49] <frank23> manveru: I thought the feature-phobic vs feature-slut comparison was funny
[04:50] <Insomniac-> manveru: i agree with linus
[04:50] <manveru> frank23: ok, you're right on that :)
[04:51] <coolio10> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463251
[04:51] <Insomniac-> linus tends to have a funny way of stating the obvious
[04:51] <coolio10> it says hsync out of range on many of the res i want
[04:52] <nalioth> coolio10: at the part where it asks you to select the resolutions you want to use
[04:52] <Insomniac-> coolio10: google for your monitor's horizontal and vertical sync rates
[04:52] <Insomniac-> coolio10: and add those to the config
[04:52] <manveru> frank23: well, i still think the kde-feature-phobics are way better... ^^
[04:52] <nalioth> coolio10: i have no idea what that pastebin was
[04:53] <Insomniac-> nalioth: his xorg.conf is fine
[04:53] <Insomniac-> nalioth: his Xorg.0.log shows alot of hsync out of range messages
[04:53] <manveru> frank23: and, no matter what linus says, i will stick with my e17 anyway
[04:53] <Insomniac-> maybe the autodetection of sync rates is messing up
[04:53] <nalioth> coolio10: problem solver: use the VESA driver
[04:54] <Insomniac-> vesa doesn't go over 1024x768
[04:54] <frank23> manveru: I never tried e17... the only things I heard about it were about the eye candy
[04:55] <manveru> frank23: after a while you don't care about eye-candy anymore, it has much more qualities :)
[04:55] <ejofee> please give me a link to a latest howto on installing nvidia in ubuntu
[04:55] <coolio10> i dont get how to find the vertical sync rates?
[04:55] <manveru> !nvidia
[04:55] <coolio10> how can i just search it on google?
[04:55] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[04:56] <Insomniac-> coolio10: if you don't need resolutions over 1024x768 i suggest you use the vesa driver
[04:56] <manveru> coolio10: you need to know what monitor you have
[04:56] <Insomniac-> coolio10: change Driver "nv" to Driver "vesa"
[04:56] <nalioth> Insomniac-: i beg to differ re VESA and it's rez capability
[04:56] <Insomniac-> nalioth: haven't seen it do 1152x864 here
[05:01] <nano> is there any diff between kubuntu and installing kde while in ubuntu?
[05:01] <Insomniac-> kubuntu doesn't come with gnome packages by default, other than that, i don't think much if anything
[05:01] <nalioth> nano: installing kde in ubuntu will get you less stuff
[05:02] <nalioth> nano: for a full-featured kde environment, install kubuntu-desktop
[05:02] <nano> could i install that from ubuntu itself?
[05:03] <nalioth> nano: of course. "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[05:03] <nalioth> nano: dont forget xubuntu
[05:03] <nalioth> !xubuntu
[05:03] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[05:03] <nano> wow thanks a bunch guys
[05:04] <nano> I did install xfce from synaptic
[05:04] <nano> and I use that
[05:05] <nano> but is it any different from xubuntu?
[05:05] <nano> i mean in terms of performance etc.
[05:06] <manveru> hmm, no
[05:06] <EricBetts> are there laptop power management options for kubuntu anywhere besides the screensave or the battery power mangement?
[05:06] <nano> thanks manveru
[05:06] <EricBetts> i've disabled everything nad my system still goes into standby if i'm gone for more than 5min
[05:06] <freelove> i dont think hibernate works in kubuntu..........
[05:06] <nano> ubotu, could you get the hardware sensors working in xubuntu?
[05:06] <ubotu> nano: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:07] <nalioth> nano: again, xubuntu installs a 'complete' desktop environment, not just xfce4
[05:07] <nalioth> nano: and xfce and xfce4 are two different things
[05:07] <nano> "complete desktop environment", like can you give me some examples?
[05:08] <nano> if i just do an apt-get xfce 4
[05:08] <nalioth> nano: go visit the link ubotu posted above and it'll explain
[05:09] <nano> nalioth, ok
[05:09] <milksteak> nano, doing that only installs xfce4
[05:09] <manveru> hmm, i will give this xubuntu a try...
[05:09] <milksteak> xubuntu-desktop installs some others
[05:09] <milksteak> like firefox and the like
[05:09] <manveru> firefox??
[05:10] <nalioth> manveru: *-desktop installs things so you can use the system immediately and not have to install a ftp client or browser
[05:11] <manveru> really?
[05:11] <ejofee> why does it take so long until "alt+f1 (etc.)" switches from a graphical display to a text tty (or between graphical displays)? how do i fix this?
[05:11] <manveru> funny :)
[05:11] <nalioth> ejofee: get a faster computer
[05:11] <manveru> ejofee: you cannot fix that...
[05:12] <ejofee> nalioth: on the same computer, some other distros do it immediately; i now use a very fast computer, anyway
[05:12] <manveru> ejofee: use a proper console in your x11 - those ttys are more for fallback...
[05:12] <nalioth> ejofee: then i'm at a loss
[05:12] <ejofee> manveru: why do you think i can't fix that
[05:12] <nano> nalioth, thanks now I got the difference :)
[05:12] <manveru> ejofee: because i think i couldn't fix it :)
[05:13] <ejofee> manveru: what does it mean use a proper console? i am *also* talking about switching between graphical session. you're just advising me to solve the problem by avoiding it.
[05:13] <manveru> ejofee: in fact, this is how the world works...
[05:13] <ejofee> manveru: i thought there were some clear technical reasons why this is impossible.
[05:13] <ejofee> manveru :)
[05:13] <nano> nalioth, i've more more question: let's say I've ubuntu installed at first and then I install xfce4 desktop, and then I log in using xfce session, would it take more resources in any way?
[05:14] <manveru> ejofee: they don't repair the world, instead we should use solar-mobiles and use waterpower :)
[05:14] <nalioth> nano: if you installed xubuntu you would be using less resources (xubuntu was devised for older slower systems)
[05:14] <ejofee> manveru: i think filling the world with chemicals is nice
[05:15] <ejofee> manveru: it's our world, after all ;)
[05:15] <manveru> ejofee: hehe :)
[05:15] <nano> nalioth, so i should reinstall using xubuntu CD?
[05:15] <nalioth> nano: no, all can be installed using apt-get and the network
[05:16] <manveru> ejofee: but you're right, it doesn't help much with switching between x11s
[05:16] <nano> nalioth, so just installing xfce desktop from apt-get would do fine right?
[05:16] <nalioth> nano: correct as long as you are using breezy
[05:16] <nano> nalioth, yeah I use breezy
[05:16] <manveru> ejofee: but i wrote this before you wrote that line and i didn't want to waste all these characters...
[05:17] <kalenedrael> Ok, back after a dist-upgrade.
[05:17] <kalenedrael> OpenOffice is still fucked.
[05:18] <nalioth> kalenedrael: language please
[05:18] <nano> kalenedrael, in what way?
[05:18] <kalenedrael> Sorry.
[05:18] <nano> kalenedrael, i mean wat are the problems
[05:18] <kalenedrael> OpenOffice gives a segfault when starting.
[05:18] <kalenedrael> /usr/bin/oowriter: line 292:  9442 Segmentation fault      /usr/lib/openoffice${VER}/program/setup -nogui -R:/etc/openoffice${VER}/autoresponse.conf
[05:19] <MachineScrew> any one know of a KDE net cam app for facial recognition or motion detection
[05:19] <nano> MachineScrew, not sure about net cam, but OpenCV is a good tool for computer vision apps like facial recog and motion detection
[05:20] <MachineScrew> ok
[05:21] <MachineScrew> it works with V4L drivers right
[05:21] <nano> yup
[05:21] <nano> MachineScrew, http://www.intel.com/technology/computing/opencv/index.htm
[05:21] <nano> OpenCV stands for open computer vision libraries
[05:21] <kalenedrael> So, um, anyone have any ideas?
[05:22] <MachineScrew> ya I am looking for end user apps
[05:23] <Insomniac-> nano: does that include pattern detection?
[05:23] <Insomniac-> i'm looking for a pattern detection library
[05:24] <nano> Insomniac, there are lot of generic as well as speicific functions available in the libraries
[05:24] <nano> Insomniac, so you could code your own detection algo using them
[05:24] <Insomniac-> nano: ty, i'll take a look at it
[05:24] <Insomniac-> i'm working on a project to use a laser pointer to play fps games
[05:24] <nano> Insomniac, however they work good in Intel processors only
[05:25] <nano> Insomniac, i mean they've been optimized for intel processors
[05:25] <Insomniac-> that's ok this webcam doesn't have a high framerate anyway
[05:25] <nano> Insomniac, yeah true
[05:27] <Insomniac-> i'd love to play fps games on my video projector using these bb guns with laser i bought in france :)
[05:28] <nano> Insomniac, what's your fav game? Counter Strike? :)
[05:28] <Insomniac-> tfc
[05:33] <Insomniac-> counterstrike is nice on half-life 2 but unfortunately hl2 doesn't run here very well
[05:34] <Insomniac-> nano: does steam work with wine?
[05:48] <nano> Insomniac, never played on linux :P
[05:52] <ejofee> how do i make sure which the right linux-headers is for my system? just compare it with "uname -r", or is there something else that i need to know?
[05:53] <Insomniac-> uname -r
[05:54] <ejofee> Insomniac-: thanks
[05:54] <ejofee> then i got it right: shfs is somehow broken
[05:57] <nano> guys I think this is the best firefox evangelism ever :) : http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/?seenIEPage=1
[05:58] <MrClever> nano: that's priceless - linking to my website now :)
[05:59] <nano> :D
[06:02] <kalenedrael> Well, this dist-upgrade didn't do anything.
[06:03] <MrClever> A bit OT - but how's this for a neat piece of kit:  http://www.zyxel.com/products/model.php?indexcate=1102502636&indexcate1=&indexFlagvalue=1021876859
[06:03] <kalenedrael> OpenOffice is still borked.
[06:03] <kalenedrael> I saw a bug report that was marked 'closed' since it was reputed not to exist anymore.
[06:04] <kalenedrael> It still exists, dammit.
[06:08] <nalioth> kalenedrael: so reopen it
[06:09] <kalenedrael> Will do!
[06:26] <CWhiz> Is there an easy way to force any web page, anywhere, to open in Firefox instead of Konqueror?  Thanks :)
[06:26] <EricBetts> how can i disable my laptop going into standby?
[06:27] <nalioth> EricBetts: screensaver energy settings?
[06:27] <EricBetts> already off
[06:28] <MachineScrew> EricBetts: standby dosn't work
[06:28] <MachineScrew> EricBetts: true standby eg. supsend to ram
[06:29] <MachineScrew> EricBetts: on the other hand hibernation works
[06:30] <EricBetts> not supported on my machine
[06:30] <MachineScrew> oh well that sucks
[06:30] <MachineScrew> works on mine
[06:30] <EricBetts> ut after about 5 minutes, the scvreen goes off and i can't get it back on by just moving the mouse, it requires me hitting ctrl+alt+f7 a couple times then moving the mouse
[06:31] <EricBetts> i'm trying to disable all powre management on this laptop, i was it to stay on like a desktop would, regardless of external power
[06:31] <CWhiz> EricBetts: Check your BIOS.  Sometimes the BIOS has power management settings that can't be turned off by the operating system.
[06:32] <MachineScrew> oh ok
[06:32] <MachineScrew> disable acpi
[06:32] <EricBetts> CWhiz: hmm...i'll look into it
[06:33] <MachineScrew> acpi=off at the end of the line for your grub.conf or menu.lst will turn it off
[06:33] <MachineScrew> make shure DPMS in the xorg.conf file is also disabled
[06:34] <EricBetts> MachineScrew: oh damnit, i know about that thing, let me check on it
[06:34] <MachineScrew> ok
[06:35] <EricBetts> yeah, its on.  is there a way to control it, modify it?
[06:36] <EricBetts> i have the kscreensaver settings set to not do any power mangement
[06:36] <nalioth> kalenedrael: EricBetts wants to know how to keep his lappy from going into standby, iirc
[06:36] <MachineScrew> ya in the xorg.conf just put a # infront of the Line for DPMS
[06:37] <EricBetts> MachineScrew: i'm aware of how to comment it out, but how could i leave it on, and edit its details (how long, etc)
[06:38] <MachineScrew> oh thats controled by the power options in System Settings or Kcontrol
[06:38] <CWhiz> Never mind, found it.  THanks.
[06:39] <MachineScrew> EricBetts: actualy in the Display settings
[06:39] <MachineScrew> 2nd tab
[06:41] <nalioth> kkathman: i didnt tab your name completely, see the comment to kalenedrael above
[06:41] <nalioth> kalenedrael: sorry, you're a victim of tab incompletion
[06:42] <kkathman> I think I came in after that nalioth  :)
[06:42] <kkathman> whats the prob if it still exists?
[06:42] <nalioth> kkathman: you have it in your buffer
[06:45] <kkathman> kalenedrael: if you are still experiencing an issue could you explain?
[06:46] <nalioth> kkathman:  EricBetts wants to know how to keep his lappy from going into standby, iirc
[06:47] <EricBetts> yeah, backlog
[06:47] <kkathman> I think on the laptops there are some power settings and those need to be configured, and maybe even on the laptop itself
[06:48] <kkathman> part of those settings are in the chips of some laptops
[06:48] <EricBetts> i'll keep asking around
[06:49] <nalioth> kkathman: ty
[06:50] <kkathman> oops I had one other question
[06:50] <kkathman> there are some speicifics you have to do if its  Thinkpad
[06:51] <kkathman> I had read it somewhere and was looking it up
[06:51] <kkathman> too slow :(
[06:56] <kalenedrael> kkathman, yes
[06:56] <kalenedrael> er
[06:56] <kalenedrael> Umm...
[06:56] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: you up?
[06:56] <Insomniac-> yah
[06:56] <DJ_Mer_> woo
[06:56] <DJ_Mer_> I love you
[06:56] <DJ_Mer_> lol
[06:57] <Insomniac-> heh
[06:57] <DJ_Mer_> I just bought the best cookies ever...
[06:57] <Insomniac-> spacecake?
[06:57] <Insomniac-> or space brownies
[07:13] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i kicked the kubuntu box
[07:13] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: it just wouldn't frickin run icecastr
[07:14] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: so now i got shoutcast working but i don't know how to broadcast to it with xmms
[07:19] <corona> hi does anyone know of a resource or how-to on resizing root partititon?
[07:27] <dutch> good night all
[07:36] <DJ_Mer_> ?
[07:37] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: you still haven't told me what kind of cookies you bought
[07:44] <CryptoQu1ck> Hello everyone; I'm having a slight problem with the PPC Kubuntu installer. It doesn't see my OS X partition, nor my free space. Any ideas?
[07:45] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: ohh... they are these frosted sugar cookie things.
[07:46] <sp> hi
[07:46] <sp> new to this
[07:46] <sp> can i get some help here?
[07:47] <kkathman> wasuup
[07:47] <sp> installed ubuntu as a dual boot (first time with linux)
[07:48] <sp> sound does not work... all else perfect
[07:48] <sp> checked out ubuntuforums
[07:48] <sp> tried stuff... no luck
[07:48] <kkathman> what are you using to test the sound?
[07:48] <CryptoQu1ck> I've had luck with the ALSA libraries, but, I'm running PPC.
[07:48] <kkathman> you on kubuntu or ubuntu?
[07:48] <sp> tried speakers and headphones
[07:48] <sp> kubuntu
[07:49] <sp> tried OSS and ALSA
[07:49] <sp> checked BIOS for sound enabled (it is)
[07:49] <kkathman> you tried kaffeine for instance?
[07:50] <sp> tried kaffeine.. xmms... etc
[07:50] <sp> not even midi sound
[07:50] <kkathman> try this...
[07:50] <sp> k
[07:50] <kkathman> sudo apt-get kaffeine-xine...then go to kaffeine and switch the sound engine to xine
[07:50] <kkathman> oops
[07:50] <kkathman> sudo apt-get install kaffeine-xine
[07:51] <sp> ok
[07:51] <MrClever> sp: try this in a command prompt: "sudo cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" (without the "" obviously)
[07:51] <MrClever> sp: you should hear "white-noise"
[07:51] <MrClever> If not - do you get any errors?
[07:51] <kkathman> good point MrC
[07:52] <sp> trying the cat /dev.....
[07:52] <MrClever> pk
[07:52] <MrClever> ok even
[07:53] <sp> nope
[07:53] <sp> nothing
[07:53] <sp> and no errors either
[07:53] <MrClever> No errors?
[07:53] <MrClever> Hmmm, what do you get with "lsmod | grep -i alsa"
[07:53] <MrClever> and again with "oss" instead of "alsa"
[07:54] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: doesn't love me now
[07:54] <sp> lsmod|grep... does nothing...
[07:54] <Insomniac-> can't help ya with icecast -- never used it
[07:54] <sp> no errors etc
[07:54] <sp> now trying oss
[07:55] <joel> someone could help ? I have some trouble with my kubuntu...
[07:55] <joel> neither kcontrol nor systemsettings are working
[07:55] <sp> lsmod | grep -i oss         gives
[07:55] <kkathman> what happens when you click?
[07:56] <MrClever> joel: what happens when you run them from the command line (xterm/konsole etc)
[07:56] <kkathman> joel: I.e. when you choose system settings
[07:56] <sp> snd_pcm_oss        55456  1
[07:56] <kkathman> oops sorry MrClever thought you were busy with the other one
[07:56] <MrClever> sp: you don't have the driver for your sound card loaded.
[07:57] <sp> well
[07:57] <MrClever> sp: you should see a line like this - snd  59560  17 snd_mpu401,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[07:57] <sp> the snd_pcm  says ...   snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec...
 : I think it's working if I run them from konsole
[07:58] <MrClever> sp: so the driver IS installed - gotcha
[07:58] <sp> snd_pcm_oss            55456  1
[07:58] <joel> In the KDE menu, they are launched by kdesu
[07:58] <sp> nd_mixer_oss          19712  1 snd_pcm_oss
[07:58] <MrClever> joel: think? Can you confirm - often they spit out lots of info when run from command line if there's a problem
[07:59] <sp> snd_pcm                99336  3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[07:59] <sp> snd                    62152  6 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[07:59] <sp> thats the lot
[07:59] <sampan> !pastebin
[07:59] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:59] <MrClever> sp: ok looks like you'
[08:00] <MrClever> have got a standard Intel onboard sound card
[08:00] <sp> yep
[08:00] <sp> thats right
[08:00] <MrClever> sp: are you sure it's the right driver?
[08:00] <sp> got the emachines T5010 machine
[08:00] <sp> and thats what the hardware detection in windows shows
[08:00] <sp> checked the intel site for data on the motherboard
[08:00] <sp> all checks out
[08:00] <MrClever> That's the sound card?
[08:01] <sp> uses the intel HDA system for sound... onboard sound card
[08:01] <sp> or is it Realtek?
[08:01] <MrClever> sp: I thought you were running on PPC?  Not Mac I guess.
[08:01] <sp> nope
[08:01] <sp> not a mac
[08:01] <MrClever> ok - my bad, I see "PPC" and the brain registers "Mac" :P
[08:02] <sp> intel P4 516 chip... running 64 bit ubuntu (as chip has em64t)
[08:02] <CryptoQu1ck> I said PPC... That's probably what confused you, MrClever. Not so clever now, are you, mister?
[08:02] <sampan> lol cryptoqu1ck
[08:02] <MrClever> CryptoQu1ck: apparently not :P
[08:02] <kkathman> lol
 I think kdesu lauch systemsettings for the "root user"...
[08:03] <sampan> joel, are you using a fresh install of breezy kubuntu?
[08:03] <joel> yes
[08:03] <sampan> sounds like the "administrator mode" bug to me
[08:03] <kkathman> sampan -  yes thats where I was going when I was interrupted earlier
[08:03] <CryptoQu1ck> There are bugs in Kubuntu? OMG!
[08:03] <sampan> it got fixed a couple weeks after release -- if you update your kubuntu it should be fixed
[08:04] <joel> it's already updated
[08:04] <joel> with KDE 3.5 and all
[08:04] <sp> tried "kudzu" to detect hardware... does not work. looks like ubuntu does not use it
[08:04] <sampan> kkathman  yeah, you shouldn't stay quiet -- you're one of the most helpful people here :)
[08:04] <ygge> Uhm have a little question :/
[08:04] <MrClever> sp: as in emachines.com?  According to the T5010 spec, it's a Intel P4
[08:04] <kkathman> ahhh 3.5 !
[08:04] <sp> yep
[08:05] <sp> intel P 4 chip... number 516... 2.93 GHz
[08:05] <sampan> joel, oh, well if it's 3.5 then i have no idea -- from what i've heard many people who upgraded to 3.5 are currently downgrading back to 3.4.3 b/c of all the bugsies
[08:05] <joel> lol
[08:05] <sampan> :X
[08:05] <CryptoQu1ck> No kidding?
[08:05] <joel> ok
[08:05] <joel> So, I will be patient
[08:05] <MrClever> sp: ok, a P4 isn't PPC....
[08:05] <CryptoQu1ck> :)
[08:06] <sp> no
[08:06] <sp> its not
[08:06] <sampan> but then again, don't take my word as gospel -- i pretty much tune out 3.5 discussion since i don't care to upgrade presently
[08:06] <kkathman> sampan: I try to be very courteous.  If someone is helping a person, I dont interrupt, because it confuses them. If I get interrupted, as I did, I usually just back off and be quiet...for the same reason.
[08:06] <CryptoQu1ck> kkathman: Should I be quiet, then?
[08:06] <sampan> kkathman  you're too considerate!  you gotta just jump in and confuse people to really "help" them! :X
[08:06] <CryptoQu1ck> Indeed!
[08:07] <MrClever> sp: I'm going cross-eyed, it was someone else who was running PPC....gah
[08:07] <kkathman> thats just my own point of view :)
[08:07] <sp> has the Intel 915GV motherboard with High Def. 6 channel sound
[08:07] <sp> aah.. Mr. Clever
[08:07] <sp> thats what I feel like when I'm working
[08:07] <sp> I'm usually found running like a chicken without a head
[08:08] <MrClever> Yep - doing some digging for ya sp :)
[08:08] <ygge> Is it possible to somehow "uncheck" the keep my password box in adept?
[08:08] <ygge> :/
[08:08] <joel> thank you all
[08:08] <joel> bye
[08:08] <sp> thanks Mr. Clever
[08:08] <sampan> good luck joel
[08:08] <joel> \quit
[08:09] <getafix> can anyone help me change my computers ip and gateway address under kubuntu?
[08:10] <kkathman> getafix: systemsettings - network settings
[08:10] <sp> Mr.Clever
[08:11] <sp> don't know where you'r located
[08:11] <sp> if its getting rather late... I can log in at the same time tomorrow
[08:11] <getafix> sweet
[08:11] <getafix> ta man
[08:11] <kkathman> getafix - you'll need your admin password
[08:12] <CryptoQu1ck> ...
[08:12] <kkathman> then click the eth0 and click the "configure interface"
[08:13] <MrClever> sp: 6:13pm :)
[08:13] <MrClever> EARLY!  I haven't even cracked the top off a beer yet!
[08:13] <sp> aah
[08:13] <sp> cool
[08:14] <sp> its past 11 here... in California
[08:14] <sampan> mmmmmm beer
[08:14] <MrClever> I'm NSW, Australia (East coast, GMT+11)
[08:14] <Chousuke> 09:14 here ;P
[08:14] <CryptoQu1ck> Sp: How's Tookie doing?
[08:14] <Chousuke> ircing from lecture hall.
[08:14] <sampan> tookie's dead :/
[08:15] <MrClever> sp: seems there's heaps on info/support for the 915P but SFA about support for the GV....
[08:15] <MrClever> sp: I'll keep looking...
[08:15] <sp> crypto:  tookie killed by lethal injection...
[08:15] <CryptoQu1ck> Even though he had clementine?
[08:16] <sp> mrclever.. i'll check on that again...
[08:16] <kkathman> clementine?
[08:16] <sampan> they had trouble getting the IV in, so he died 20 minutes late
[08:16] <ygge> Is it possible to somehow "uncheck" the keep my password box in adept?
[08:16] <sp> crypto:  do u mean 'clemency'?
[08:16] <kkathman> he never had clemency
[08:16] <CryptoQu1ck> No, clementine. It's like, he doesn't get killed.
[08:17] <sampan> :|
[08:17] <MrClever> sp: WINNER! But looks like a bit of work - http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/2065/sort/2/cat/475/page/1
[08:17] <sp> aaah.... nope.. no clementine for him
[08:17] <Chousuke> clementine is a fruit?
[08:17] <sp> mr.clever
[08:17] <sp> thanx.
[08:17] <CryptoQu1ck> Oh, crap.
[08:17] <Chousuke> clemency is the word :)
[08:17] <CryptoQu1ck> I'm really confused.
[08:17] <kkathman> thought it was too
[08:18] <MrClever> sp: No problemo dude...I might go and reacquaint myself with the Internet Widow (my wife) - take care.
[08:18] <sp> mrclever... i'll get on it...
[08:18] <sp> thanks a lot
[08:18] <CryptoQu1ck> See ya, Mr Clever.
[08:18] <sampan> cryptoqu1ck  gov. ahhnold denied him clemency because tookie has never admitted his guilt (always maintained his innocence) and thus, according to the governor, never showed true "remorse"
[08:19] <CryptoQu1ck> Oh... So that means he wasn't rehabilitated, huh?
[08:19] <sp> crypto:   far from it....
[08:19] <sampan> according to the governor, yes
[08:19] <CryptoQu1ck> Well, more sudeos here anyway.
[08:20] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i need to sleep but i can't get to sleep and i am low on ambien i don't wanna waste it.
[08:20] <sp> I think he was on appeals for the past 13 years
[08:20] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: low on ambient light?
[08:20] <CryptoQu1ck> Lamp time's over.
[08:20] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: what are you talking about?
[08:21] <kkathman> ambien - a sleeping aid - Rx
[08:21] <Insomniac-> never heard of it, what is that?
[08:21] <kkathman> a sleeping aid Rx
[08:21] <CryptoQu1ck> Perhaps that's why he's called...
[08:21] <Insomniac-> well yes, but what kind? a drug, something else... ?
[08:22] <kkathman> rx - prescription
[08:22] <CryptoQu1ck> It's a drug, not like melatonin.
[08:22] <Insomniac-> ah
[08:22] <kkathman> Rx = prescription
[08:22] <Insomniac-> then write prescription damn you ;)
[08:22] <CryptoQu1ck> Yeah, stop teasing the poor guy with pills.
[08:22] <kkathman> one of those just went OTC
[08:23] <kkathman> I thought it was Ambien-CR
[08:23] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: no its a perscription sleeping pill... but doctors hate using it cos its addictive... but its amazing.
[08:23] <sp> thanks a lot guys... g'night
[08:23] <Insomniac-> ah
[08:23] <sampan> sleep can be addictive too
[08:23] <_jon> Having no luck with XVID on Kubuntu Breezy.  Has anyone here had this issue and resolved it?
[08:23] <DJ_Mer_> its amazing Insomniac-
[08:23] <DJ_Mer_> it puts me out like cocaine and rum
[08:24] <Insomniac-> weed used to do it for me
[08:24] <kkathman> CryptoQu1ck: I have a degreen in Biochemistry and Molecular Genetics
[08:24] <DJ_Mer_> kkathman: i am a professional prostitute
[08:24] <CryptoQu1ck> Very cool. I want to get a degree in Phycology. Have you seen the website phyco.org?
[08:24] <kkathman> nope
[08:24] <kkathman> DJ_Mer_: excellent howz that working out?
[08:25] <DJ_Mer_> kkathman: iunno... I'm not really working too hard
[08:25] <DJ_Mer_> kkathman: i let some bimbo take my corner
[08:25] <kkathman> ahh now you should know better
[08:25] <DJ_Mer_> lol
[08:25] <kkathman> time for a bidding war
[08:26] <Insomniac-> hmm driving lesson in an hour
[08:26] <kkathman> fun
[08:26] <Insomniac-> yep
[08:26] <CryptoQu1ck> Yay! Kubuntu has installed! It's so much prettier than Debian...
[08:26] <Insomniac-> better go take a shower though
[08:27] <kkathman> The Debian peoples dont like ubuntu much :)
[08:27] <Insomniac-> because of the non-free software packages?
[08:27] <CryptoQu1ck> I know. I'm in their IRC channels.
[08:27] <getafix> hmm
[08:27] <CryptoQu1ck> One thing; it tells me that my Mac mini's battery is low. Gives me some outrageous percentage number.
[08:28] <getafix> anyone know why in kubuntu when i type my password in for admin mode it just load for a bit then kicks back to the start
[08:28] <kkathman> getafix: yes, you need to update
[08:28] <kkathman> there was an admin error that got fixed
[08:28] <sampan> getafix, yes -- that's the infamous "administrator bug" -- the bug fix is in the updates
[08:28] <kkathman> you probably havent run Adept yet
[08:29] <getafix> ahh excellent
[08:29] <sampan> kkathman  i wonder if you know the answer to this question.  ever since i installed one of the dev packages (build-essential? or something) i have a "Debian" section on my KMenu that i can't edit or change -- it seems to hold every app i've ever installed
[08:29] <getafix> how do i update if i can't connect via the internet
[08:29] <kkathman> getafix: very difficult :)
[08:29] <sampan> lol ... that's the ONLY bug/question i am qualified to give info on
[08:30] <kkathman> getafix: why did you set you ip manually?
[08:30] <getafix> cause i had an internal ip
[08:30] <getafix> but now have a router
[08:30] <getafix> ahh modem
[08:30] <kkathman> thats ok
[08:30] <kkathman> switch to dhcp and it SHOULD, get your DNA
[08:30] <kkathman> DNS
[08:30] <getafix> but if i can't go into admin
[08:30] <Insomniac-> noooo not my dna! ;)
[08:30] <getafix> i can't do any of that
[08:31] <kkathman> getafix: did you install from the kubuntu disk or the ubuntu disk?
[08:31] <getafix> can i dl an update put it on drive you can read from and then just update it when i'm in there?
[08:31] <getafix> kubuntu
[08:31] <kkathman> ahh ok
[08:31] <kkathman> can you open a konsole?
[08:31] <sampan> getafix, you can do admin functions -- you'll just need to do them via CLI instead of via GUI i think
[08:32] <getafix> hmm
[08:32] <getafix> klonsole aye?
[08:32] <getafix> konsole?
[08:32] <kkathman> open a console, getafix and run    sudo dhclient eth0
[08:32] <getafix> just type exactly that like and that should be sweet?
[08:32] <kkathman> evening johndarkhorse :)
[08:32] <getafix> haha i may be back
[08:33] <nalioth> kkathman: ?
[08:33] <Insomniac-> getafix: yes you can see which packages it wants to update, download them on another machine somewhere, copy them to /var/cache/apt/archives, and update as usual
[08:33] <kkathman> yes?
[08:34] <sampan> insomniac-  it's the first part of that sequence that is hard: if he can't get on the internet with his ubuntu how can he "see which packages it wants to update"?
[08:34] <Insomniac-> true but kkathman was already helping him with that
[08:34] <Insomniac-> now he knows it's possible
[08:35] <sampan> indeed, kkathman was getting him online, but once online, then he can just update directly and not have to d/l to another machine or copy, etc.
[08:35] <Insomniac-> no he'll need some apt-get flag to display which updates apt wants to get
[08:35] <sampan> nope, he can just sudo adept-updater at konsole and it will update (assuming he has repos enabled)
[08:36] <kkathman> once we get him online hehe :)
[08:36] <kkathman> the network stuff is kinda tricky sometimes
[08:36] <kkathman> mine went out one day for absolutely no reason
[08:36] <kkathman> and came back almost as aburptly
[08:36] <kkathman> abruptly
[08:36] <Insomniac-> sampan: oh well fact is he's gone
[08:37] <Insomniac-> kkathman: check dmesg
[08:37] <kkathman> Im not that experienced..just I went through what getafix is going through
[08:37] <Insomniac-> some drivers crap out on load
[08:37] <DJ_Mer_> i love hieneken, love love love
[08:38] <DJ_Mer_> when linux beats me down... heineken beats me off
[08:38] <kkathman> DJ_Mer_: did you know that even the Dutch won't drink Heineken?
[08:38] <CryptoQu1ck> Wow. Those Debian people are... Somewhat rude.
[08:38] <sampan> i've actually found my dsl connection is WAY more stable in linux than with win -- it would drop for no reason at least once every two weeks with win ... and it just simply never drops the connection on linux
[08:38] <DJ_Mer_> kkathman: not true i know MANY dutch people who drink it
[08:38] <kkathman> CryptoQu1ck: yes they are...and very arrogant
[08:38] <Insomniac-> kkathman: actually it's pretty common here
[08:38] <Insomniac-> though i prefer belgian beers myself
[08:38] <kkathman> DJ_Mer_: All the ones I know hate it and never drink it .. they opt for German beer :)
[08:39] <sampan> guinness > *
[08:39] <kkathman> but its all personal taste :)
[08:39] <kkathman> sampan YES!
[08:39] <sampan> :D
[08:39] <Insomniac-> did you know guinness isn't even made in ireland?
[08:39] <Insomniac-> and the irish consider it a peasant's drink?
[08:39] <sampan> first time i had guinness i must confess, i thought it tasted like ground up tree roots -- how wrong, how misguided was i?
[08:39] <kkathman> rofl
[08:40] <DJ_Mer_> a lot of people hate heineken
[08:40] <DJ_Mer_> it really does taste like shit
[08:40] <DJ_Mer_> but so does my gf and i enjoy her too lol
[08:40] <Insomniac-> heineken isn't that bad
[08:40] <Insomniac-> there is far worse beer out there than heineken
[08:40] <CryptoQu1ck> Gah. Alcoholics. For shame.
[08:40] <DJ_Mer_> im not an alcoholic
 Coors<cough>
[08:40] <DJ_Mer_> that would mean i have a drinking problem.. and frankly, i have no problem doing it.
[08:40] <kkathman> lol
[08:41] <DJ_Mer_> hahaha
[08:42] <kkathman> DJ_Mer_:  thats like most people say I suffer from mental instability, when in fact I enjoy every minute of it
[08:42] <DJ_Mer_> kkathman: I have plenty of those...
[08:42] <Insomniac-> Hi ocifer. I'm not under the affluence of incohol.
[08:42] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: its udner the intoxication of me3!
[08:42] <kkathman> lol
[08:43] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i fucking pwned that beert!
[08:43] <DJ_Mer_> excuse my language
[08:43] <CryptoQu1ck> New topic: Pirates vs. Ninjas.
[08:44] <DJ_Mer_> pirates, definetely...
[08:44] <DJ_Mer_> they drink...
[08:44] <kkathman> and they dress much kewler
[08:44] <kkathman> pirates have parrots!
[08:44] <CryptoQu1ck> Cooler than Ninjas?
[08:44] <kkathman> ohyeah
[08:44] <kkathman> but ninjas got the sword thing goin on
[08:44] <sampan> i dunno, black pjs have got to be WAY more comfy than pirate tights and pantaloons
[08:45] <CryptoQu1ck> And Katana starts with K.
[08:45] <kkathman> but the parrot man...the parrot!
[08:45] <Insomniac-> Arrr!
[08:45] <CryptoQu1ck> Arrigato!
[08:47] <kkathman> Mr Roboto :)
[08:48] <CryptoQu1ck> Oh, did anyone see this? The people on #debian were dissing the crap out of the guy who made it. http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/
[08:49] <kkathman> the people in #debian would diss their own grandmother
[08:50] <DJ_Mer_> im so thirsty.
[08:50] <kkathman> have another Heineken
[08:50] <DJ_Mer_> no it dried me out
[08:50] <DJ_Mer_> and im at work so i got no water lol
[08:50] <kkathman> getafix:  :)
[08:50] <getafix> it says command not found or something
[08:51] <CryptoQu1ck> Um... DJ, you're allowed to drink on the job?
[08:51] <kkathman> sudo dhclient eth0 ??
[08:51] <getafix> i typed sudo dhcp eth0
[08:51] <kkathman> nono
[08:51] <getafix> haha
[08:51] <getafix> duuuuuu
[08:51] <kkathman> dhclient
[08:51] <getafix> sweet
[08:51] <getafix> sorry
[08:51] <DJ_Mer_> its a two-man network security company... so since i am doing work on a few harddrives, yeah... i can drink till i pass out
[08:51] <DJ_Mer_> i jsut can't drink if i'll be around customers.
[08:52] <CryptoQu1ck> Nice.
[08:53] <DJ_Mer_> im also watching anchorman right now
[08:53] <DJ_Mer_> on my pda lol
[08:53] <DJ_Mer_> "THE MAN PUNTED BAXTOR!"
[08:53] <DJ_Mer_> "the motorcycle on the bridge i HIT him with a burrito!!! "
[08:55] <kkathman> well Im out..time for bed
[08:55] <kkathman> cyall
[08:55] <CryptoQu1ck> I think he killed a guy with a trident.
[08:55] <CryptoQu1ck> See ya.
[08:55] <DJ_Mer_> lol
[08:55] <DJ_Mer_> "brick killed a guy!"
[08:56] <CryptoQu1ck> Well, my cat is being an anti-productivity source. I'mma go too. It was fun.
[08:57] <DJ_Mer_> peace.
[08:57] <DJ_Mer_> its just me and Insomniac- ... and hes not talking.
[08:57] <Insomniac-> i'm having trouble keeping up with all the channels i'm in
[08:58] <DJ_Mer_> lol.
[08:58] <DJ_Mer_> you need to join #landfill
[08:58] <DJ_Mer_> meet my mac/linux buddies
[09:00] <Insomniac-> lol not another channel
[09:01] <DJ_Mer_> lol
[09:01] <DJ_Mer_> but you'll love them if you love me :-D
[09:07] <DJ_Mer_> silence... denied!
[09:17] <nano> is there any gui applet for xfce that uses acpi instead of lmsensors for temperature display?
[09:17] <DJ_Mer_> you will eat catpoop
[09:18] <nano> lol
[09:18] <nano> DJ_Mer_, what time is it there?
[09:18] <DJ_Mer_> 1:19
[09:18] <nano> MST?
[09:19] <DJ_Mer_> arizona
[09:19] <nano> howdy ! :D
[09:19] <DJ_Mer_> we float between MST and PST
[09:19] <DJ_Mer_> you in AZ?
[09:19] <nano> Tempe :D
[09:19] <DJ_Mer_> Sierra Vista
[09:19] <nano> hehe
[09:20] <nalioth> nano: try conky
[09:21] <nano> nalioth, hey ! you know I followed your advice and tried lmsensors. I've inspiron 5100 and apparently lmsensors doesn't recognize the detectors or something like that. I tried looking at the forums and they said it's better to use acpi.
[09:22] <nalioth> conky is in the repos. also conky.sf.net
[09:22] <nano> nalioth, lemme check out this conky thingy
[09:22] <nano> nalioth, thanks a bunch
[09:22] <DJ_Mer_> what type of bullshit
[09:22] <DJ_Mer_> "your search is too specific"
[09:22] <DJ_Mer_> shouldn't that make it EASIER?
[09:22] <nalioth> DJ_Mer_: please watch your language in here
[09:22] <DJ_Mer_> sorry
[09:23] <DJ_Mer_> nano: is it warm up there?
[09:25] <nano> DJ_Mer_, it's not too cold
[09:26] <DJ_Mer_> its freezing here but my computer is so hot i have to run my window AC
[09:26] <DJ_Mer_> lol... its on right now just trying to keep the room at 71
[09:26] <nano> lol
[09:26] <nano> laptop?
[09:26] <nano> p4?
[09:26] <DJ_Mer_> nah
[09:26] <DJ_Mer_> full desktop amd burton
[09:26] <DJ_Mer_> plus a laptop
[09:26] <DJ_Mer_> and a 32 inch LCD TV
[09:26] <nano> wow
[09:27] <DJ_Mer_> usually my server is floating in here too
[09:27] <nano> nalioth, what's the default installation path of apps in synaptic?
[09:27] <DJ_Mer_> but eh... it blew up
[09:27] <nano> blew up as in?
[09:27] <nalioth> nano: /usr/bin usually, but it depends on the individual pkg
[09:27] <nano> nalioth, ok
[09:28] <DJ_Mer_> well
[09:28] <DJ_Mer_> it was a 7 year old NEC ready... the mobo went
[09:28] <DJ_Mer_> but it gave me 301 days of non-stop uptime before it went
[09:28] <nalioth> nano: in a terminal, dpkg -L $PKGNAME will tell you where the files are
[09:31] <nano> nalioth_zZz, thanks
[09:32] <nano> nalioth_zZz, lol it works but it shows my cpu temperature as 0C :P
[09:34] <DJ_Mer_> the perfect running temp
[09:34] <DJ_Mer_> :-P
[09:37] <nalioth_zZz> nano: one step closer, bubba
[09:37] <nalioth_zZz> night all
[09:38] <vega-> i'm using ubuntu breezy with gnome and two monitor (xorg.conf here: http://pastebin.com/463427) and everything works just find, but when switching to KDE my other screen is just blank, any ideas? I would have thought that xinerama etc. is X11 business, not the window managers?
[09:39] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: was taking a shower
[09:40] <DJ_Mer_> ohh..
[09:40] <DJ_Mer_> can anyone explain to me WHY my audio is so quiet that even when maxed it sounds like it sminimal?
[09:41] <Insomniac-> vega-: maybe the displaysize entry is messing something up
[09:41] <nano> "audio is quiet?"
[09:41] <Insomniac-> vega-: otherwise i wouldn't know
[09:41] <DJ_Mer_> like, even when maxed out its still really quiet.
[09:41] <Insomniac-> vega-: but you're right xinerama is X's business
[09:42] <vega-> Insomniac-: hmm, i don't even know what that is.. have to try and comment it out
[09:42] <Insomniac-> vega-: it has to do with setting DPI if i'm not mistaken
[09:42] <Insomniac-> comment that out and see what happens
[09:42] <vega-> ok, thanks
[09:44] <vega-> oh btw, the monitor that is blank is Monitor1 (the one not having the displaysize entry), if it matters
[09:44] <Insomniac-> it might
[09:44] <DJ_Mer_> cos I got this cranked to the max right now and I can still barely here it.
[09:44] <Insomniac-> but other than this i wouldn't know what's the cause
[09:44] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: the kmix settings? those might differ from the alsa mixer settings
[09:45] <vega-> Insomniac-: ok, gotta try it out..
[09:45] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: start alsemixer in a konsole
[09:45] <Insomniac-> alsamixer*
[09:46] <DJ_Mer_> its maxed too
[09:46] <Insomniac-> sure it's not muted?
[09:46] <DJ_Mer_> and it has the master listed as mono
[09:46] <Insomniac-> or your speakers are turned down low?
[09:47] <getafix> does anyone know why i can't connect to my router in kubuntu but can in win
[09:47] <Insomniac-> connect to it's configuration or connect by dhcp?
[09:47] <DJ_Mer_> i mean this wouldn't suck so much if i could figure out how to change the default sound card, my soundblaster works fine on linux
[09:48] <DJ_Mer_> how do I change the default output device?
[09:48] <getafix> hmm by typing 192.168.1.1
[09:48] <Insomniac-> getafix: try http://192.168.1.1
[09:48] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: dunno
[09:48] <getafix> yeah i tried that
[09:49] <Insomniac-> i disabled onboard sound here in the bios and alsa seems to respect that
[09:49] <DJ_Mer_> hmm so you can do it in bios then?
[09:49] <DJ_Mer_> let me restart and give that a shot.
[09:49] <Insomniac-> it can probably be done in alsa
[09:49] <Insomniac-> but i don't know where
[09:49] <DJ_Mer_> i know but i don't know how to control alas
[09:49] <DJ_Mer_> alsa
[09:50] <Insomniac-> alsa is a complicated *****
[09:50] <DJ_Mer_> nano: do you know?
[09:51] <Insomniac-> vega-: any luck?
[09:53] <Insomniac-> hmm this is going to be my cheapest pc so far
[09:55] <DJ_Mer_> hmmm /etc/asound.conf thats the file i need to edit
[09:55] <DJ_Mer_> but i don't have it :-\
[09:56] <Insomniac-> doesn't seem to have a manpage either
[09:58] <Insomniac-> maybe i should add 2GB of ram
[10:04] <merlino> i love you
[10:04] <tamu> hai man...
[10:05] <tamu> can i join here.. :D
[10:08] <merlino> Insomniac-: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[10:09] <Insomniac-> heh
[10:09] <Insomniac-> lots of love going around today
[10:09] <merlino> Insomniac-: it worked! just disabled it on bios
[10:09] <Insomniac-> :)
[10:09] <Insomniac-> i maybe enable onboard sound someday
[10:10] <Insomniac-> i have 9 speakers which could make a nice wacky surround sound setup
[10:10] <Insomniac-> s/maybe/might/
[10:10] <merlino> mmm
[10:10] <merlino> huey lewis
[10:11] <tamu> hay man any body have already try tinclient in ubuntu?
[10:12] <merlino> "We thought about giving up."
[10:13] <tamu> yuhu... any body has try it?
[10:13] <Insomniac-> tin the news reader?
[10:17] <DJ_Mer_> Two o'clock this morning
[10:17] <DJ_Mer_>  If she should come a calling
[10:17] <DJ_Mer_>  I couldn't dream of turning her away
[10:17] <DJ_Mer_>  And if it got hot and hectic
[10:17] <DJ_Mer_>  I know she'd be electric
[10:17] <DJ_Mer_> :-D lol
[10:28] <viperX> hey guys, I have a quick question.
[10:29] <viperX> My tou-button mouse went out so now I'm using a spare one-button apple mouse.
[10:30] <viperX> Is there a way to script KDE to accept a keypress + mouseclick as a right click?
[10:35] <tamu> tadi ditawarin training buat corporate ==> what is it meaning?
[10:36] <Insomniac-> sounds engrish to me
[10:36] <tamu>  <viperX> Is there a way to script KDE to accept a keypress + mouseclick as a right click? ==> what it's mean?
[10:36] <vega-> Insomniac-: well, hmm, how should i say, partially
[10:37] <vega-> Insomniac-: when i logged in the second screen was blank, then took off for lunch, came back (screensaver was on), second screen was ok :)
[10:37] <Insomniac-> heh
[10:37] <vega-> Insomniac-: so it works after the screensaver has been on :P
[10:38] <viperX> On OS X pressing the ctrl key and clicking the mouse=mouse right click. I want to do the same thing here since I'm using a spare apple mouse until I can buy a new one.
[10:38] <Insomniac-> that's behaviour i've come to expect from windows
[10:38] <vega-> Insomniac-: tried to switch to text mode and back but no luck
[10:38] <Insomniac-> viperX: sorry dude i don't know
[10:38] <kasim> hi, my latest kpdf (from kubuntu breezy with KDE 3.5) crashes permanetly, since last update. Could someone confirm or comment, pls?
[10:39] <yo2lux> hello.
[10:40] <yo2lux> I run ubuntu live cd, 5.10 with KDE 3.4.3, guys KDE eat much much memory. I have an intel p3, 530MHz, 512MB RAM.. I have 30MB Free RAM. KDE eat much memory.
[10:40] <yo2lux> What need to do?
[10:40] <Insomniac-> much of that might be disk cache
[10:40] <incubii> id have to agree
[10:40] <yo2lux> disk cache?
[10:41] <vega-> yo2lux: linux uses unused mem as diskcache so it might seem to you that it's all in use
[10:41] <yo2lux> the installed OS, without live cd not use disc cache?
[10:41] <vega-> yo2lux: the +/- buffers line in free gives a more correct view of the mem available
[10:41] <Insomniac-> yo2lux: see whether your swap file/partition is used at all or not
[10:41] <yo2lux> no is not used
[10:42] <Insomniac-> then you have no problem
[10:42] <yo2lux> i hear KDE 3.5 work faster than 3.4.3 , is true?
[10:43] <tamu>  KDE 3.5  ==> in kubuntu 5.10? ---> it heavy
[10:44] <yo2lux> tamu what heavy means, it fast?
[10:45] <yo2lux> ok Guys, i have my last question
[10:45] <yo2lux> when i use : server install for ubuntu, possible for me to install the latest kde 3.5 ?
[10:45] <yo2lux> sudo apt-get install kde3 ?
[10:46] <vega-> no, probably not
[10:46] <vega-> i think it's 3.4.x in ubuntu 5.10
[10:47] <Insomniac-> kubuntu comes with 3.4.3 by default
[10:49] <yo2lux> ok, and possible for me to use kde 3.5 with kubuntu 5.10?
[10:49] <Insomniac-> yes
[10:49] <Insomniac-> see the topic
[10:50] <yo2lux> ok i don't want to use Dapper Drake
[10:51] <Insomniac-> no the part about kde 3.5
[10:51] <kasim> you can use kde3.5 with breezy
[10:51] <yo2lux> thanks !
[10:51] <kasim> check     http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[10:51] <Insomniac-> yo2lux: be aware some people are having trouble with 3.5 though
[10:52] <kasim> Insomniac: what trouble, apart form kpdf things run quite well
[10:52] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5problems
[10:52] <ubotu> well, kde3.5problems is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[10:53] <Hobbsee> a lot of them are old, a lot got fixed in the later betas and rc's
[10:53] <kasim> could someone confirm that latest "kpdf" is crashing (kde35)?
[10:53] <Insomniac-> "New user accounts (who have not run KDE before) can't log in to KDE" < lol
[10:54] <Hobbsee> kasim: under what circumstances?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Insomniac-: i'll bet that got fixed lol
[10:54] <Hobbsee> kasim: ooh, crud
[10:55] <kasim> (answer on user-level) ALL circumstances. since last upgrad (some days ago) kpdf is not running at all. have to use acroread
[10:55] <alley_m> hello... just installed kubuntu 5.10... have problems with the feature mounting usb-media... every times another /dev/point.. and so no access to data... any suggestions?
[10:56] <Hobbsee> kasim: mmm...bummer
[10:56] <Hobbsee> ah...
[10:57] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ kpdf
[10:57] <Hobbsee> Bogus memory allocation size
[10:57] <Hobbsee> Very strange! got a DCOPReply opcode, but we were not waiting for a reply!
[10:57] <Hobbsee> kasim:
[10:57] <Hobbsee> ok then...
[10:57] <vega-> Insomniac-: found my bug: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4343
[10:57] <kasim> kai@ubuntuipc:~$ kpdf
[10:57] <kasim> Bogus memory allocation size
[10:57] <kasim> KCrash: Application 'kpdf' crashing...
[10:57] <kasim> or DCOPRepy as yours ..
[10:57] <Insomniac-> vega-: nice! i'll read that later i have to go for a driving lesson
[10:58] <Hobbsee> Insomniac-: have fun!
[10:58] <Hobbsee> kasim: file a bug for it?
[10:58] <Hobbsee> check if there's one already there first
[10:58] <kasim> do you have an url for that?
[11:00] <Hobbsee> bugs.kde.org
[11:02] <Hobbsee> kasim: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118220
[11:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you know anything about this?  They're suggesting it's a packaging problem of KPDF.  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118220
[11:03] <kasim> Hobbsee: just found that too, thanks. kpdf 0.5 is what i have also
[11:03] <Hobbsee> he probably wont answer, being asleep
[11:06] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[11:14] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: are you here?
[11:17] <DJ_Mer_> can someone help me set up shoutcast briefly?
[11:21] <fdelacruz> hi guys, during my research for putty, I found out that ther's version of putty for symbian OS, has anyone already try this?
[11:22] <DJ_Mer_>  can someone help me figure out shoutcast? it says to set /dev/audio as my playlist files because it'll host from the soundcard. However, when i add /dev/audio it stops functioning.
[11:24] <kasim> DJ_Mer_: not sure if i understand, but I use shoutcast's playlist succesfully with amarok
[11:26] <vega-> any idea why firefox doesn't appear in kde menu? it is in gnome
[11:26] <vega-> on ubuntu breezy
[11:27] <DJ_Mer_> kasim: i am running a server for shoutcast. Now I need to broadcast it. Say I want to use amarok to do it, how do I configure shoutcast to use amarok as its source?
[11:27] <DJ_Mer_> kasim: just use a playlist?
[11:30] <kasim> DJ_Mer_: (just to confirm, will most likely not help you) I have a IOJazz.pls on my Desktop connected to (correctly configured) amarok. Well that works fine
[11:30] <DJ_Mer_> and you are hosting a station over shoutcast?
[11:31] <kasim> no, just listening
[11:31] <DJ_Mer_> no im trying to host
[11:32] <kasim> cant help you there sorry
[11:36] <vega-> where the heck do i configure keyboard shortcuts in kde nowadays?
[11:37] <DJ_Mer_> vega-: when you find out for hte love of god tell me
[11:38] <vega-> err, cannot be this difficult
[11:38] <vega-> my kde tryout after a few years of gnome is appearing to become quite short
[11:39] <vega-> DJ_Mer_: "regional & accessibility" in the control panel !
[11:40] <vega-> dunno how it is related to that..
[11:45] <vega-> hmm, menu editor doesn't start at all
[11:53] <LeeJunFan> keyboard shortcuts == kcontrol -> regional and accessability -> keyboard shortcuts
[11:54] <LeeJunFan> oh, see that was already answered :)
[11:54] <fdelacruz> guys anyone here use firestarter?
[12:03] <fdelacruz> guys gtg uwian n vge thanks
[12:10] <francois> slt  tous
[12:11] <cvardar> anybody knows when Qt4.1 will be available in the repository?
[12:12] <francois> is this IRC only in english ??
[12:12] <cvardar> yes, for other channels you may check http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat
[12:13] <francois> ok
[12:13] <francois> wilch version are you using ??
[12:13] <francois> I'm using the hoary.
[12:24] <DJ_Mer_> whoa... wht a lovely way to wake up
[12:24] <DJ_Mer_> another chronic and unstoppable nosebleed
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> DJ_Mer_: cut down on the paint huffing :)
[12:53] <snpz> does anybody have experience in connecting Kubuntu box to Windows 2000 Domain controller?
[12:55] <Insomniac-> nope but that'll probably work
[12:55] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:55] <DJ_Mer_> WE'VE HIT A NEW LEVEL OF SUCCESS!
[12:56] <Insomniac-> lol
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> http://192.168.2.9:8001/
[12:56] <Insomniac-> what did you do now
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:56] <ubotu> Wish i knew, DJ_Mer_
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> its streaming, ITS STREAMING!!!!
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> its frickin streaming!!! after three days its streaming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:56] <Insomniac-> ah you figured icecast out :)
[12:56] <Jaymac> DJ_Mer.. nobody can connect to that ip except you :)
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> screw icecast...
[12:56] <Jaymac> or is that the plan?
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> you should* be able to.
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> wait hoops... wrong link
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> lmao
[12:56] <Jaymac> hehe
[12:57] <DJ_Mer_> well.. I feel really dumb now
[12:57] <Jaymac> *L*
[12:57] <DJ_Mer_> http://68.225.55.28:8001/
[12:57] <DJ_Mer_> and yes, I know the name of it is "my gay son"
[12:57] <DJ_Mer_> that'll be worked out once the full playlist is added
[12:57] <Jaymac> good stuff
[12:57] <Insomniac-> what are you using to stream? an amarok plugin?
[12:57] <Jaymac> amarok is annoying me
[12:57] <DJ_Mer_> nope
[12:58] <DJ_Mer_> hand-typed playlist
[12:58] <DJ_Mer_> :-P
[12:58] <Jaymac> tried compiling it with m4a support but it always fails
[12:58] <DJ_Mer_> sitting here typing 4000 songs and their directories
[12:58] <Insomniac-> amarok came with the system here
[12:58] <Jaymac> so i had to convert my entire library to mp3
[12:58] <Jaymac> so amarok would play it
[12:58] <Insomniac-> what is m4a? i've never even heard of it
[12:58] <DJ_Mer_> can someone try to connect
[12:59] <DJ_Mer_> http://68.225.55.28:8001/
[12:59] <DJ_Mer_> click the listen button.
[12:59] <Insomniac-> mpeg 4 audio?
[12:59] <Jaymac> yeah
[01:00] <DJ_Mer_> w00!!! your on
[01:00] <DJ_Mer_> ahahaha! after four days, VICTORY! my beloved radio station will now run 24/7....
[01:00] <Insomniac-> it's working here DJ_Mer_
[01:00] <DJ_Mer_> awesome
[01:01] <DJ_Mer_> 3 listeneres no errors
[01:01] <DJ_Mer_> ahhh!
[01:01] <DJ_Mer_> i just jumped out of my chair and cheered... and woke up two people
[01:01] <Jaymac> lol
[01:01] <Insomniac-> hehe
[01:01] <Insomniac-> it's not showing any name in my playlist though
[01:01] <Insomniac-> just an empty line
[01:01] <DJ_Mer_> it doesn't have one yet
[01:01] <DJ_Mer_> its been called "my gay son"
[01:01] <DJ_Mer_> lmao
[01:02] <DJ_Mer_> cos i didn't think it was gonna work... then it did
[01:02] <ndazza> Hi! i'm trying to download a set of packages and all their dependencies, is there an easy way to do this? Something like apt-get build-deps but I want install dependencies not build deps
[01:03] <DJ_Mer_> jaymac, if you ever wanna do a radio cast
[01:03] <DJ_Mer_> shoutcast with DPS was the easiest way for me
[01:03] <DJ_Mer_> albeit, you'll have to manually enter the ENTIRE playlist.
[01:03] <DJ_Mer_> but it'll randomize it and you'll have no background programs.
[01:03] <Jaymac> i'm behind hte university proxy
[01:04] <DJ_Mer_> ew.
[01:04] <DJ_Mer_> lol
[01:04] <Jaymac> not allowed to run a server :)
[01:04] <Jaymac> but on the plus I can download an ubuntu iso in about 2 minutes
[01:04] <Jaymac> :D
[01:04] <Insomniac-> hmm? most universities i know don't restrict users much if any besides excessive bandwidth use
[01:05] <Jaymac> I have to expressly ask for permission to run a server
[01:05] <Jaymac> They permit some..
[01:05] <DJ_Mer_> well broadcasting would def. be a bandwidth waster lol
[01:05] <Insomniac-> universities are supposed to encourge finding new ways of using the internet
[01:05] <DJ_Mer_> you guys consumed about 50 megs
[01:05] <Insomniac-> encourage*
[01:05] <Jaymac> oh shit..  connected
[01:05] <Jaymac> haha
[01:05] <Jaymac> sweet DJ
[01:05] <mrplant> you guys
[01:05] <Jaymac> took a while to load in amarok
[01:06] <DJ_Mer_> god help me
[01:06] <DJ_Mer_> this station needs me whole collection.
[01:07] <mrplant> ive got a question: have you experienced a weird font behaviour after for example uphgrading your gfx drivers, or KDE? My fonts shrinked, I used Verdana 7, and now I have to use Verdana 11 - and the visual size is the same as it was on Verdana 7 :| It happened to me before, but after a couple reboots all got back to the normal situation, but now I still have those little fonts :|
[01:07] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: can't you juse use a script to generate the playlist?
[01:07] <Jaymac> ROFL.. I feel you by My Gay Son
[01:07] <Insomniac-> just*
[01:08] <Insomniac-> hmm i'm getting tired.. good thing i'm not driving anymore
[01:08] <Jaymac> lunch time :)
[01:10] <DJ_Mer_> okay for whoever is listening to my station.
[01:10] <brosiooz> can i recover file on mounted partition on ext3 ?
[01:11] <DJ_Mer_> im sorry for the constant stupid 3 doors down songs
[01:11] <DJ_Mer_> the list is only like 30 songs right now, working on it though
[01:11] <DJ_Mer_> i've already typed in 300 other songs
[01:11] <Insomniac-> use a script to generate the playlist
[01:11] <Jaymac> lol
[01:11] <Insomniac-> why bother typing all those names
[01:11] <mrplant> lol
[01:11] <Jaymac> yeah.. I have over 6000 songs in my collection
[01:11] <DJ_Mer_> holy cow
[01:12] <Jaymac> fuck if i'm going to spend time typing those out :)
[01:12] <DJ_Mer_> i'm only up to about 3000
[01:12] <Insomniac-> 11596 here
[01:12] <Jaymac> ok, going to stick some pasta on for lunch
[01:12] <Jaymac> nice one insomniac
[01:13] <Insomniac-> -300 or so for cd covers
[01:13] <Jaymac> out of my 6000
[01:13] <Jaymac> 1500 are Pearl Jam
[01:13] <Jaymac> :D
[01:13] <Insomniac-> lol
[01:16] <getafix> is there any reason that when i type 192.168.1.1 to find my router under ubuntu that i can't reach it
[01:16] <getafix> ?
[01:16] <getafix> kubutu
[01:16] <Jaymac> is your computer on the same level?
[01:16] <Jaymac> i.e 192.168.1.x
[01:16] <getafix> yup
[01:16] <Jaymac> hm.. dunno
[01:17] <getafix> i did sudo dhclient and i think it made the comp 192.168.1.2
[01:17] <getafix> i think
[01:18] <nacho> hy
[01:18] <nacho> i have a problem with apt-get install
[01:18] <getafix> hmmm
[01:18] <nacho> i cant find any packages
[01:18] <nacho> here is me sources.list http://pastebin.com/463544
[01:18] <nacho> i would like to install more packages
[01:18] <nacho> amsn, etc
[01:18] <nacho> but it cant find id
[01:18] <Insomniac-> did you run apt-get update
[01:19] <Insomniac-> after changing sources.list?
[01:19] <nacho> yes i runned it
[01:20] <nacho> i dindt changed sources.ist
[01:20] <Insomniac-> you might want to enable the universe and multiversie repositories
[01:20] <Insomniac-> !sources
[01:20] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:20] <mrplant> heh: how do i restart the apache server?
[01:20] <mrplant> from console
[01:20] <Insomniac-> mrplant: /etc/init.d/apache restart?
[01:20] <nacho> i have disabled it?
[01:20] <mrplant> thanks :P
[01:20] <Insomniac-> nacho: no universe and multiverse are disabled by default
[01:21] <nacho> ah ok
[01:21] <nacho> i will disable then
[01:21] <thoreauputic> if you have apache2 it will be /etc/init.d/apache2 restart I think
[01:21] <nacho> it will fix my problem?
[01:21] <brosiooz> can i recover file on mounted partition on ext3 ?
[01:21] <Insomniac-> nacho: if you enable universe and multiverse you can install more software
[01:21] <Insomniac-> nacho: see the link
[01:22] <nacho> where is the link?
[01:22] <thoreauputic> brosiooz: if you mean recovver deleted files on ext3, no
[01:22] <Insomniac-> brosiooz: apt-cache search ext3|grep recover
[01:22] <thoreauputic> brosiooz: on ext3 deletion is pretty much permanent
[01:23] <Insomniac-> thoreauputic: ext2 has recovery tools, don't those work on ext3?
[01:23] <brosiooz> need to umount it before ?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Insomniac-: I don't believe so, no
[01:23] <Insomniac-> i thought ext3 = ext2 + journal?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Insomniac-: hope I'm wrong :)
[01:23] <dipnlik> hi all. when I click a text file on KDE it launches Kate, how can I change this behavior? I want a very lightweight text viewer, Kate is kinda slow here
[01:24] <Insomniac-> brosiooz: read the documentation for any recovery program you install
[01:24] <DJ_Mer_> i know it went offline lol
[01:24] <DJ_Mer_> lets see if it stays online now
[01:25] <thoreauputic> from apt-cache show recover: "Note that recover works only with ext2 filesystems - it does not support
[01:25] <thoreauputic>  ext3.
[01:25] <thoreauputic> "
[01:25] <nacho> any knows how i can install flash macromedia plugin?
[01:25] <thoreauputic> oops sorry about the extra line there :)
[01:25] <Jaymac> nacho
[01:25] <Jaymac> download it from the site
[01:26] <Jaymac> and follow the installer instructions
[01:26] <Insomniac-> thoreauputic: ah that explains :)
[01:26] <vega-> why not apt-get flash?
[01:26] <Jaymac> apt-get flashplayer-mozilla
[01:26] <nacho> swf-player
[01:26] <Jaymac> dipnlik: right click on file...
[01:27] <Jaymac> open with
[01:27] <vega-> flashplugin-nonfree, libflash-mozplugin, flashplayer-mozilla, ...
[01:28] <dipnlik> Jaymac: i know that, thanks you! but now i want to change the default behavior
[01:28] <Insomniac-> that's alot of flash..
[01:29] <nacho> is there any graphical tool like synaptic to do apt-get ?
[01:29] <nacho> or i have to dowloand it?
[01:29] <dipnlik> Jaymac: ok, found it. configure konqueror, file associations, searched to txt and changed to kedit, way faster
[01:30] <Insomniac-> synaptic kynaptic adept ...
[01:30] <Insomniac-> nacho: adept comes with kubuntu iirc
[01:31] <nacho> adept?
[01:31] <Insomniac-> gui package manager frontend
[01:33] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: how do I terminate scripts ran by typing ./ before them?
[01:33] <Insomniac-> control-c
[01:34] <Insomniac-> or kill the process in another terminal
[01:35] <DJ_Mer_> the playlist script is acting stupid though
 [STREAM]  Creating stream socket
 [STREAM]  Connected to host server
 [STREAM]  Disconnecting from stream host [waiting 10s] 
[01:35] <DJ_Mer_> why would it do that?
[01:35] <DJ_Mer_> it just keeps doing it over and over and over and over....
[01:36] <Insomniac-> how should i know, i don't even know what the script looks like
[01:36] <DJ_Mer_> hmmm
[01:36] <DJ_Mer_> it was going just fine before
[01:37] <nacho> i am trying to use adept
[01:37] <nacho> but i cant see the packages in categories, like  games, office, etc
[01:37] <DJ_Mer_> ohh!
[01:37] <DJ_Mer_> i figured it out lmao
[01:37] <nacho> is there any tool to see  it??
[01:37] <DJ_Mer_> the playlist script can only be loaded once... to update the library
[01:37] <DJ_Mer_> after that you have to terminate it.
[01:38] <nacho> to seee the packages in categories
[01:38] <Insomniac-> nacho: just type in some keyword
[01:38] <Insomniac-> to search
[01:39] <DJ_Mer_> lol Insomniac-  i am learning how to tame this teast!! MUAHAHAHAHA!
[01:41] <nacho> i cant select many packages at the same time?because i click on 1 and i have to click on the others too
[01:42] <nacho> like select all
[01:43] <DocTomoe> any idea how to get kdevelop with breezy and the 3.5.0 reps?
[01:43] <nacho> hello?
[01:43] <Insomniac-> nacho: right click
[01:43] <Jaymac> or ctrl click?
[01:43] <Jaymac> what does he mean?
[01:43] <Jaymac> select multiple files?
[01:43] <Insomniac-> he wants to select multiple packages in adept i think
[01:44] <nacho> yep
[01:44] <nacho> select multiple
[01:45] <Insomniac-> hmm my movie download stopped... oh well as long as it's here by christmas
[01:45] <getafix> hmm
[01:45] <getafix> when you run the updater is it lying if it instantly says theres nothing to update
[01:46] <Jaymac> yes
[01:46] <DocTomoe> getafix: what "updater"?
[01:46] <Jaymac> reload
[01:46] <getafix> adept
[01:46] <Jaymac> reload it
[01:46] <DocTomoe> who is using adept, despite of its crazy approach of security?
[01:46] <getafix> update complete instantly
[01:46] <Jaymac> I swear by synaptic
[01:46] <getafix> synaptic?
[01:47] <Jaymac> yeah
[01:47] <getafix> i'm still amazed i'm using the internet inside this ive been trying to get it going for ages
[01:47] <getafix> oh can i get a list of undernet servers from anywhere and put it in a folder to use?
[01:48] <DocTomoe> getafix: presumeably at the undernet homepage ;)
[01:48] <Jaymac> the command line is always the best option.. but synaptic is useful if i'm not sure exactly what it is i'm searching for
[01:48] <getafix> heh why thank you
[01:48] <DJ_Mer_> :-D i am so happy
[01:49] <DJ_Mer_> lol
[01:49] <Jaymac> because of your shoutcast server?
[01:49] <Jaymac> :)
[01:49] <DJ_Mer_> yeah.
[01:49] <DJ_Mer_> i love my radio station
[01:49] <Jaymac> get some pogues on there
[01:50] <getafix> someone was saying i was suffering the infamous admin bug
[01:50] <DJ_Mer_> im gonna make a request form on my other server when it gets back to me. People cna request and i'll add albums
[01:50] <getafix> can you tell me what the update to fix that would be?
[01:55] <_nano_> why is my firefox scrolling sluggish compared to windows ? the presence of only one or two mid sized images make the scrolling sluggish. I've inspiron 5100 (P4, 2.66Ghz, ati radeon 7500 ) and use fluxbox with ubuntu
[01:57] <StarScream> _nano_: because your using ubuntu .. shrug
[01:58] <getafix> why when i click on my other harddrives does it say could not enter folder?
[01:58] <StarScream> _nano_: got an example page  i can look at , see if i've got the same issue
[01:58] <StarScream> getafix: permissions ?
[01:58] <getafix> hmmm
[01:59] <getafix> hmm
[01:59] <getafix> don't think so
[02:00] <_nano_> StarScream, sec lemme give you an example page
[02:00] <StarScream> k
[02:01] <getafix> how would i browse hda 1 via konsole?
[02:01] <_nano_> StarScream, check this http://buzz.blogger.com/
[02:01] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: !!!!!!!! :-D
[02:02] <_nano_> DJ_Ner_, hey! :D
[02:02] <_nano_> still awake :P
[02:02] <DJ_Mer_> yeah
[02:02] <DJ_Mer_> i got my radio station up thou
[02:02] <DJ_Mer_> http://68.225.55.28:8001/
[02:02] <DJ_Mer_> its workin man :-D!!!
[02:02] <DJ_Mer_> shieet i need a darker colour theme
[02:03] <_nano_> wow!
[02:03] <_nano_> hey is that legal and stuff?
[02:03] <DJ_Mer_> ...lol
[02:03] <DJ_Mer_> well, copyright wise
[02:03] <DJ_Mer_> no...
[02:03] <DJ_Mer_> but am I afraid, nope.
[02:03] <_nano_> how is shoutcast different from gnump3d?
[02:03] <DJ_Mer_> i don't know how to do gnump3d
[02:03] <DJ_Mer_> plus this is just a streaming server.
[02:04] <_nano_> well, whatever works :)
[02:04] <DJ_Mer_> correct me if im wrong, but gnump3d can also do databases
[02:04] <_nano_> i used gnump3d as streaming server
[02:04] <_nano_> just used synaptic to get gnump3d
[02:04] <DJ_Mer_> for audio?
[02:04] <_nano_> I'm a noob in all this :P so don't know about databases :P
[02:05] <DJ_Mer_> shoutcast was the best choice cos it simply... worked
[02:05] <_nano_> gnuMP3d -- should be for audio
[02:05] <DJ_Mer_> I delt with icecast for two days and got nowhere... I tried a few others like "freecast" and got NOWHERE... So after a few days it came to the point where I was just like... "freakin forget this crap"
[02:05] <_nano_> lemme test the streaming :D
[02:06] <DJ_Mer_> after almost reinstalling windows advanced server 2003 i gave shoutcast a test. and it worked
[02:06] <DJ_Mer_> http://68.225.55.28:8001/ << click listen
[02:06] <StarScream> _nano_: ok, whats the prob with the page ? seems to work fine for me
[02:07] <_nano_> StarScream, it's scrolling fine?
[02:07] <_nano_> :-s
[02:07] <DJ_Mer_> hi there 70.162.104.171 lol
[02:07] <StarScream> _nano_: yeh looks fine for me, sorry
[02:07] <DJ_Mer_> enjoying the music? :-P
[02:07] <StarScream> _nano_: i have a ibook g3 800
[02:08] <_nano_> StarScream, oh! must have a good graphics card then? :(
[02:08] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, great stuff :D
[02:08] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_:  :-D
[02:08] <StarScream> _nano_: erm..radeon 7500 ?
[02:08] <DJ_Mer_> lmao BARE NAKED LADIES!
[02:08] <_nano_> StarScream, yeah
[02:09] <StarScream> _nano_: you must have a pretty average card if its having trouble with that....does konqueror have the same problem ?
[02:09] <getafix> how can i browse my windows partitions in console?
[02:10] <getafix> i'm in as root
[02:10] <_nano_> StarScream, never used konqueror -- but firefox in windows scrolls fine for all those pages
[02:10] <StarScream> _nano_: try konq and just see
[02:10] <StarScream> i prefer it personally
[02:10] <_nano_> getafix, you've to mount them first
[02:10] <getafix> ok how do i mount them?
[02:10] <_nano_> StarScream, ok lemme try and see
[02:12] <getafix> and any idea why i can't go above 60hz and 1024x768
[02:12] <DJ_Mer_> getafix: what card?
[02:12] <getafix> 6800gt
[02:13] <getafix> do i need to get ubuntu drivers?
[02:13] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: this is one of my favorite songs :-D
[02:13] <_nano_> getafix, http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[02:13] <DJ_Mer_> getafix: i would see about going to nvidia directly for the
[02:13] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, :D
[02:13] <DJ_Mer_> you like Daft Punk?
[02:13] <Insomniac-> getafix: using vesa driver?
[02:13] <_nano_> StarScream, same problem :(
[02:14] <getafix> i haven't installed anything yet
[02:14] <getafix> this has had nothing dled or changed
[02:14] <getafix> is this linux ia32
[02:14] <getafix> ?
[02:15] <StarScream> _nano_: ok, well just tried on my other box, its slackware on an athlon 2200 with nvidia gf 5200 and its fine also so i'm not really sure sorry
[02:15] <StarScream> _nano_: do you have composite enabled ?
[02:16] <StarScream> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:16] <_nano_> StarScream, sorry i don't know composite
[02:16] <_nano_> how can i find out?
[02:16] <_nano_> lemme check the xorg.conf file
[02:17] <_nano_> StarScream,there is no mention of "composite" in xorg.conf
[02:17] <_nano_> StarScream, so what should i do now?
[02:17] <StarScream> _nano_: no idea sorry
[02:17] <_nano_> StarScream, nevertheless, thanks a lot :)
[02:18] <StarScream> np, sorry i couldn't help more.
[02:18] <_nano_> StarScream, any pointers though?
[02:18] <StarScream> _nano_: erm...just make sure your using the nvidia driver is all i can suggest...if you are then i have no idea..
[02:21] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: i am increasing the playlist as we speek
[02:21] <DJ_Mer_> its only 300 songs aorn... but once i do this update it'll be 1000
[02:21] <DJ_Mer_> and later tonight it'll be 2000
[02:22] <getafix> hda2 is already mounted
[02:22] <getafix> but i can't browse it?
[02:22] <_nano_> yeah you can
[02:22] <_nano_> what's the directory name where it's mounted?
[02:23] <_mrj> hey
[02:23] <_mrj> guys
[02:23] <getafix> ./dev/hda2
[02:23] <_mrj> i have a problem
[02:23] <getafix> ?
[02:23] <_mrj> could someone help me ?
[02:23] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, 24 hours? :)
[02:23] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: what you think?
[02:23] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: what you mean*? lol
[02:23] <_mrj> _nano_: -w /etc/edit_my_file :)
[02:23] <DJ_Mer_> is it gonna be up 24 hours?
[02:24] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, well we would all want it too
[02:24] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, you'd be doing a great service to the open source community by providing some entertainment :)
[02:24] <DJ_Mer_> im working on 24 hour support
[02:24] <DJ_Mer_> right now the only reason its restarting is due to playlist upgrades
[02:25] <DJ_Mer_> and thats basically the only reason it'll ever upgrade.
[02:25] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, aah
[02:25] <_mrj> hey guys
[02:25] <_mrj> please help me :)
[02:25] <_mrj> i have a strange problems
[02:25] <DJ_Mer_> once a month i'll probably add about two or three albums to it
[02:25] <_mrj> with cyrillic
[02:25] <_mrj> in kubuntu
[02:25] <Jaymac> what is the problem
[02:25] <_nano_> _mrj, state your problem
[02:25] <_mrj> what i need to do
[02:25] <Jaymac> Type it on one line..
[02:25] <_mrj> it is not some kind of error
[02:25] <_nano_> getafix, that's not a mount, that's a device name -- you need to mount that to a directory
[02:26] <_mrj> when i use mplayer for example i can not use cyrillic subtitles
[02:26] <_nano_> getafix, check the link i gave earlier
[02:26] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: its an 8 listener cap though... cos it is on my private connection. Granted, i have great bandwidth, i do want some for my own use lol
[02:26] <_mrj> i have already installed mplayer-fonts
[02:26] <thoreauputic> _mrj: did you install mplayer-fonts ?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> ah
[02:26] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, cox keeps messing with the port number though
[02:26] <_mrj> thoreauputic: yep
[02:26] <thoreauputic> _mrj: sorry I was just slow :)
[02:26] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: what do you mean?
[02:27] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, you already know that they block 80 right?
[02:27] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: 80000 is open, I just have it reserved for my private radio lol
[02:27] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, hehe
[02:27] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, they did block 8080
[02:27] <_mrj> thoreauputic: when i installed mplayer fonts - i have readed the /usr/share/mplayer/fonts/cp1251/README
[02:27] <getafix> man i can't do anything on this shit
[02:27] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: yeah i know... but all you gotta do is change ports lol
[02:27] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, i guess a few months ago
[02:27] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, yeah :)
[02:27] <_mrj> but .... these fonts are in .raw format
[02:27] <_mrj> thoreauputic: and mplayer wants only ttf
[02:28] <DJ_Mer_> woo! AC/DC
[02:28] <_nano_> :)
[02:28] <thoreauputic> _mrj: sorry - I don't know the answer
[02:29] <_mrj> but i ve encouraged soething strange - in XMMS when i change the font in preferences-fonts with microsoftcp1251 encoding - i can select 3 fonts but none of them is working
[02:30] <_mrj> when i load an mp3 with cyrillic id3 info - they appears in the playlist normally but when the current song plays thei are unreadable ... ?
[02:30] <_mrj> thoreauputic: np :)
[02:30] <getafix> fuck sake
[02:30] <getafix> this sucks
[02:30] <_nano_> getafix, patience :)
[02:30] <getafix> yeha i know
[02:30] <getafix> its just frustrating
[02:31] <getafix> i have no idea how to do anything
[02:31] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: you an orbital fan?
[02:31] <_nano_> getafix, so where are you stuck particularly?
[02:31] <getafix> well
[02:31] <thoreauputic> getafix: the code of conduct applies here, you know
[02:31] <getafix> in system settings / diskfile systems
[02:31] <getafix> yeah i know i'm sorry i've been asking for a while with no answers and i was getting more frustrated
[02:32] <_nano_> how many partitions do you exactly have?
[02:32] <getafix> i got
[02:32] <_nano_> hda1, hda2 etc.?
[02:32] <getafix> 2 ntfs
[02:32] <getafix> the linux one
[02:32] <getafix> and a fat32
[02:32] <thoreauputic> getafix: OK :)
[02:32] <_mrj> someone help me please ?
[02:32] <_nano_> do you know the names of your windows partitions?
[02:32] <getafix> i think hda 1,2 5 and 6
[02:32] <getafix> names?
[02:32] <_nano_> so hda1,hda2 are windows i presume
[02:32] <getafix> yup
[02:32] <_nano_> ok
[02:32] <_mrj> yes the names - terminator and pinokio :)
[02:32] <_mrj> hihi
[02:32] <getafix> 5 is linux and 6 is fat i think
[02:33] <_mrj> i am fat too :)
[02:33] <_nano_> now in your home directory make two folders
[02:33] <_mrj> hihi
[02:33] <_nano_> you in linux now right?
[02:33] <getafix> yup
[02:33] <_nano_> ok so make two folders in your home directory which would represent those two windows directorieis
[02:33] <_nano_> *directories
[02:34] <_nano_> and lemme know when you're done with that
[02:34] <_mrj> how can i install xfonts-cyrillic ?
[02:34] <getafix> ok
[02:34] <getafix> i'll try figure it out
[02:34] <_mrj> i can not find it with apt-cache
[02:35] <getafix> hmm
[02:35] <getafix> ok so i can't do it via gui cause the admin thing
[02:35] <getafix> whats the command lines for doing it in konsole?
[02:35] <DJ_Mer_> http://www.shoutcast.com/directory/index.phtml
[02:35] <_nano_> ok
[02:35] <getafix> i'm logged in as root in konsole
[02:35] <DJ_Mer_> im finally listed :-)
[02:35] <_nano_> mkdir win_c
[02:35] <_nano_> mkdir win_d
[02:36] <getafix> done
[02:36] <_nano_> ok
[02:36] <_nano_> DJ, this one's nice
[02:36] <DJ_Mer_> the beach boys?
[02:37] <kkathman> hey DJ_Mer_ :)
[02:37] <getafix> where would it have created those directories?
[02:37] <kkathman> hi all :)
[02:37] <DJ_Mer_> kkathman: GUESS WHOES RADIO STATION IS UP AND WORKIN?
[02:38] <kkathman> uhmm yours?
[02:38] <DJ_Mer_> no, jesus', muahahaha
[02:38] <kkathman> He's always broadcasting..has been for a while
[02:38] <_nano_> getafix, type sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[02:38] <DJ_Mer_> http://68.225.55.28:8001/
[02:38] <DJ_Mer_> thats the link kkathman
[02:38] <_mrj> hey
[02:38] <_mrj> please help
[02:38] <kkathman> hey there's getafix :)  Hope things are working out for you :)
[02:39] <getafix> he
[02:39] <getafix> y
[02:39] <getafix> gradually
[02:39] <getafix> its going now
[02:39] <kkathman> good :)
[02:39] <_mrj> why after i install a cyrillic package cronyx-1251...blabla i have again no cyrillic fonts ?
[02:39] <getafix> i'm just trying to learn how to mount partitions
[02:39] <_mrj> where are they supposed to be ?
[02:39] <kkathman> good thing to know :)
[02:39] <_nano_> http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[02:40] <getafix> command not found nano
[02:40] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: bob marley :-D
[02:40] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, :P
[02:40] <_nano_> getafix, means you don't have gedit
[02:40] <kkathman> its important to know that the ubuntuguide.org page is not an official page and has many errors that can damage your system, so be careful
[02:41] <getafix> ahh
[02:41] <kkathman> he wont have gedit
[02:41] <_nano_> kkathman, but these are safe
[02:41] <kkathman> cuz he installed kubuntu
[02:41] <_nano_> kkathman, mounting partition
[02:41] <_nano_> i just forgot that gedit is not there in kubuntu :P
[02:41] <dutch> kwrite is
[02:41] <kkathman> _nano_: please try referring them to the official wiki...im sure there is a good page there :)
[02:42] <kkathman> under kubuntu use kdesu kate
[02:42] <kkathman> or kwrite
[02:42] <dutch> I tend to use nano cuz that's the one I use most
[02:42] <kkathman> or nano at the cli
[02:42] <_mrj> could someone help me ?
[02:42] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_:
[02:42] <DJ_Mer_> I am going to reset the playlist
[02:42] <getafix> sooo what should be doing?
[02:42] <kkathman> for getafix I'd use kdesu kate :)
[02:43] <getafix> ....
[02:43] <_nano_> getafix, open /etc/fstab file
[02:43] <_nano_> using your preferred editor :P
[02:43] <_nano_> and from root
[02:43] <getafix> haha
[02:43] <getafix> man i don't know how to open it
[02:43] <getafix> whats an editor
[02:43] <getafix> ahaha
[02:43] <_nano_> :P
[02:43] <getafix> what a new ass
[02:43] <_nano_> ok np,
[02:43] <_nano_> :)
[02:43] <getafix> thanks for you patience man
[02:43] <Jaymac> getafix
[02:44] <_nano_> nah its ok everyone goes thru it at some stage :P
[02:44] <getafix> yup
[02:44] <Jaymac> sudo kwrite /etc/fstab
[02:44] <kkathman> no!!
[02:44] <getafix> no?
[02:44] <_nano_> lol
[02:44] <Jaymac> or... sudo nano -w /etc/fstab
[02:44] <kkathman> user kdesu
[02:44] <Jaymac> if you prefer a command line editor
[02:44] <_nano_> kkathman now now :P
[02:44] <kkathman> Jaymac: hes under KDE
[02:44] <Jaymac> yes...
[02:44] <Jaymac> so?
[02:45] <kkathman> sudo under kde is dangerous in breezy
[02:45] <_nano_> eh?
[02:45] <kkathman> yes
[02:45] <Jaymac> since when/
[02:45] <Jaymac> i use sudo all the tyme
[02:45] <kkathman> sudo should only be used at the CLI
[02:45] <kkathman> well go ahead..but the developers themselves have told me that
[02:46] <getafix> so what is that even going to do?
[02:46] <getafix> what am i trying to achieve here?
[02:46] <kkathman> getafix  alt-F2  then type kdesu kate   then open that files
[02:46] <DJ_Mer_> okay sweet... _nano_ i managed to restart the playlist without rebooting the server :-D
[02:46] <kkathman> and do what _nano_ says
[02:47] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, :D great !
[02:47] <getafix> alt f2 goes to desktop
[02:47] <Insomniac-> kkathman: probably the only difference between sudo and kdesu is that one has a text password prompt and the other a gui one
[02:47] <getafix> and yo mean what jaymac told me to do?
[02:47] <_nano_> getafix, precisely :)
[02:47] <kkathman> Insomniac-: Im just going by what two different developers have told me
[02:48] <getafix> kwrite cannot connect to x server
[02:48] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: mah homboy is up
[02:49] <_nano_> getafix,  sudo nano /etc/fstab
[02:49] <Insomniac-> kkathman: i'm too lazy to go look for the sources
[02:49] <getafix> woh
[02:49] <Insomniac-> but sudo/kdesu are basically very simple programs
[02:49] <kkathman> ok
[02:50] <_nano_> getafix, that's the command you need to type out
[02:50] <getafix> what is
[02:50] <getafix> the sudo nano?
[02:50] <kkathman> you do things your way and I'll do things mine
[02:50] <getafix> i've done that
[02:50] <_nano_> getafix, sudo nano /etc/fstab
[02:50] <getafix> yup
[02:50] <getafix> done
[02:50] <_nano_> getafix, so what do you see infront of you? the file right?
[02:50] <kkathman> I should be quiet Im just confusing the situation anyway
[02:50] <DJ_Mer_> just listen to Soviet Radio kkathman :-D
[02:50] <getafix> a list of the partitions on the right
[02:51] <kkathman> yeah thats the thing to do
[02:51] <getafix> "mount points"
[02:51] <kkathman> lol
[02:51] <getafix> type
[02:51] <getafix> option
[02:51] <getafix> etc
[02:51] <DJ_Mer_> kkathman: it is
[02:51] <_nano_> getafix, great
[02:51] <_nano_> getafix, now add the following
[02:52] <_nano_> /dev/hda1       ***/win_c  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0
[02:53] <_nano_> where *** is your home directory path
[02:53] <_nano_> /home/login name
[02:53] <getafix> oh ok
[02:53] <getafix> how do i add
[02:53] <getafix> just type that?
[02:53] <_nano_> ok open another terminal window
[02:53] <_nano_> and type : pwd
[02:53] <DJ_Mer_> getafix: make sure you don't copy and paste that stuff though, type it all yoursslf.
[02:53] <_nano_> tell me the contents
[02:54] <getafix> ./home/mike
[02:54] <coolio10> i have a directory on my desktop /Desktop/install_flash_player_7_linux but how do i launch it feom command line?
[02:54] <_nano_> i presume you created win_c and win_d in your mike directory right?
[02:54] <_nano_> if that is the case
[02:54] <_nano_> add verbatim the following :
[02:54] <DJ_Mer_> I need a band thats name starts with D or F to start.
[02:54] <getafix> well i thought i did but i'm not sure
[02:55] <_nano_> type : ls    do you see your directories there?
[02:55] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_:
[02:55] <DJ_Mer_> im gonna restart the cast
[02:55] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, ok
[02:56] <getafix> is
[02:56] <getafix> ?
[02:56] <_nano_> it's not "is", it's "ls"   L in small letter
[02:56] <monad> hi... is 51 degrees an acceptable cpu temperature?
[02:56] <getafix> ahh
[02:56] <_nano_> monad, i'm currently running at 55 stable :P
[02:56] <getafix> yup
[02:56] <getafix> purple win_c and win_d
[02:56] <_nano_> cool
[02:56] <_nano_> remember it's case sensitive
[02:57] <getafix> sweet
[02:57] <monad> lIKe THat?
[02:57] <monad> :-P
[02:57] <coolio10> how do i launch a file from the commandline thats on my desktop?
[02:57] <_nano_> /dev/hda1       /home/mike/win_c  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222   0       0
[02:57] <_nano_> getafix, add the above to the fstab file
[02:58] <_nano_> make sure you got the case sensitive thingy right
[02:58] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: okay that went a bit bumpy but we are good
[02:58] <_nano_> heh
[02:59] <monad> try<ing to install kubuntu on an old machine with a scsi configuration i don't understand... i need to give some bootr params to the install cd, otherwise i'll get a kernel panic (like yesterday). what would you suggest
[02:59] <getafix> change the ones that are already there for the /dev/hda1 you mean?
[02:59] <_nano_> there is already some??
[02:59] <_nano_> copy paste what's there plz :)
[02:59] <_nano_> i mean copy paste from there to here
[02:59] <_mrj> hey
[02:59] <_mrj> boys
[02:59] <getafix> ./dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[02:59] <_mrj> a little help here
[03:00] <monad> is there a list of boot params somewhere?
[03:00] <_nano_> getafix, then you're all set :)
[03:00] <getafix> /dev/hda2       /media/hda2     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[03:00] <getafix> .
[03:00] <_mrj> how can i install with apt-get new cyrillic fonts
[03:00] <_mrj> wich package do i need ?
[03:00] <_nano_> getafix, you can browse your windows directory from /media/hda1
[03:00] <getafix> yeah
[03:00] <_nano_> and /media/hda2
[03:00] <coolio10> where are applications installed in kubuntu?
[03:00] <getafix> but it won't let me
[03:00] <_nano_> you've to be in root
[03:00] <hmpedersen> Hi
[03:00] <getafix> oh
[03:00] <getafix> ok
[03:00] <_nano_> and also i think you can only read
[03:01] <_nano_> as i guess ntfs write is still experimental
[03:01] <getafix> say i go ls
[03:01] <_nano_> ls /media/hda1
[03:01] <getafix> how do i change to the directory?
[03:01] <getafix> ahhhh
[03:01] <_nano_> cd /media/hda1
[03:01] <getafix> permission denied
[03:02] <monad> getafix: :-P
[03:02] <_nano_> sudo ls /media/hda1 ?
[03:02] <monad> there's no way out now
[03:02] <monad> that's that :-)
[03:02] <coolio10> also how do i reinstall grub because i have kubuntu listed 2 times!
[03:02] <getafix> WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[03:02] <getafix> your the man
[03:02] <_nano_> lol
[03:03] <getafix> hmm
[03:03] <getafix> ok so i can now l;ist that stuff
[03:03] <getafix> how can i say
[03:03] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: it doesn't seem to be realizing it has more than 20 songs to pick from now
[03:03] <getafix> use amaroc
[03:03] <getafix> and locate my mp3s on those partitions?
[03:03] <_nano_> although i use xmms, i think it should be similar with amarok as well
[03:04] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, do you use amarok?
[03:04] <Insomniac-> _nano_: amarok has a built in filebrowser
[03:04] <Insomniac-> s/_nano_/getafix/
[03:05] <hmpedersen> Can ne1 help me.. Im trying to figure out how to add a program to autostart when i logon..
[03:05] <_nano_> getafix, you have to change permissions of your media directory
[03:05] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: yeah, but the servr is hosted via a bunch of scripts... no actual "player" is playing these songs
[03:05] <monad> hello? anyone got suggestions for scsi boot params?
[03:05] <getafix> ok
[03:05] <getafix> and how would i do that
[03:05] <DJ_Mer_> hmmmm
[03:05] <DJ_Mer_> this is becoming a little odd...
[03:05] <DJ_Mer_> i need to get this playlist to terminate
[03:06] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: use a big hammer
[03:06] <DJ_Mer_> i'll give it a few more songs to play a song from the F-artist catagory, if it doesn't its not detecting the new playlist
[03:07] <DJ_Mer_> its just sticking to an odd selection considering how many songs are in the list, you'd figure it would wanna spread its wings alreadty
[03:07] <_nano_> getafix, sudo chomd a+r /media/hda1  and so on
[03:07] <_nano_> *chmod
[03:07] <DJ_Mer_> and frankly, if i hear one more 3 doors down song my ibook is gonna go flying
[03:08] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, how's the status of resources?
[03:08] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: what you mean?
[03:08] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, i mean how many ppl are hooked up on to your server and how much resources are being used from your computer
[03:09] <DJ_Mer_> Soviet Radio is hosted on Kubuntu on a 1.2 GHz AMD Burton 2500+ with 2 GB of ram and a 250 GB seagate HDD with an average listeners of 3, average listening time 17 minutes
[03:09] <DJ_Mer_> okay I gotta figure out whats up with this playlist lol
[03:09] <_nano_> okay :P
[03:10] <getafix> hmm
[03:10] <getafix> does that mean it changed
[03:10] <getafix> it said
[03:10] <DJ_Mer_> it seems okay, theres no blocks or breaks in the text.
[03:10] <_nano_> getafix, ok :)
[03:10] <getafix> chmod: changing permissions of `/media/hda1': Read-only file system
[03:10] <_nano_> getafix, now try browsing to that folder through amarok
[03:10] <_nano_> all your songs are in C right?
[03:10] <getafix> its got a little padlock
[03:11] <getafix> in c?
[03:11] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: this was* my gaming box before my video card overheated and now I am building a new one for that stuff... now, this has been turned into a multipurpose linux box
[03:11] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, you mean test bed? :P
[03:11] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: for the past year I hosted Soviet Radio on an ibook 24/7... didn't do much but kill the lifespan of my poor lil 12''
[03:11] <_nano_> awww
[03:12] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: but that little tank is still running strong right now... no problems yet. This died and I needed to give it some task, couldn't let it rot
[03:12] <_nano_> getafix, you wanna use amarok to listen songs right? and the songs are in your windows directory ? if yes then which windows directory are they in?
[03:12] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: so the death of video card couldn't of came along at a better time... lol
[03:12] <getafix> they're in the hda2 partition
[03:12] <_nano_> getafix, so do the same with the hda2 partition as well
[03:12] <getafix> already have
[03:13] <_nano_> okies
[03:13] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: i've also got a NEC REady 8587 ,7 years old, hosting Windows Advanced Server 2003, that thing is sitting in a closet hosting an in-house website/home control system.
[03:13] <_nano_> getafix, now browser to that directory using amarok and see if you can play your songs
[03:13] <getafix> ./media/hda2/mikes/mp3s
[03:13] <getafix> the folder still has a little padlock on it
[03:14] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, what's "in-house website/home control system????" :O
[03:14] <DJ_Mer_> hehe...
[03:14] <DJ_Mer_> keep everything i need networked... address books, the works.
[03:14] <_nano_> getafix, that padlock is no problem, it just means you couldn't write into that
[03:14] <Insomniac-> windows 2003 runs on 7 year old hardware?
[03:14] <DJ_Mer_> and the in-home control allows me to host CD's, DVD's or radio stations accross the house
[03:14] <getafix> but it does nothing when i click is
[03:14] <getafix> it
[03:14] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: minimal requirements are 133MHz lol
[03:14] <zero0> how can I play DVD on Kubuntu?
[03:15] <getafix> and if i can system then home
[03:15] <getafix> then go up to media/
[03:15] <getafix> then try to go hda2 it says you don't have permission
[03:15] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: does it actually work instead of swap itself silly?
[03:15] <Insomniac-> swapping*
[03:15] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: never had a problem iwth it.
[03:15] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: it runs quite nice, despite its age.
[03:16] <Insomniac-> my p133 system's hd died
[03:16] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: gotta think about what really messes up computers... pretty gui's, stupid programs, big bloated applications... windows server is actually pretty well-stripped down... for windows.
[03:16] <_nano_> getafix, type:   ls -al /media/hda2
[03:16] <Insomniac-> never bothered to dig it out of the closet to fix it
[03:16] <DJ_Mer_> lol I am a packrat
[03:17] <DJ_Mer_> if I can make it run i'll do it, even if it sits there heating a corner of my room
[03:18] <getafix> ls: invalid option -- /
[03:18] <getafix> ?
[03:18] <monad> hellohello... s c s i  b o o t  p a r a m s anyone?
[03:18] <monad> please...
[03:18] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i'll have to take a pic of my computer storage sometime. Its like 15 routers, half of which don't work... A bunch of old computer parts, tons of CD rom drives, CD burners, DVD burners
[03:18] <getafix> ls -al/media/hda2
[03:18] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i put together computers as they die off... and make some nice little server boxes out of them.
[03:18] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: i used to have 14 or so computers here
[03:18] <_nano_> getafix, you forgot the space betweel -al and /
[03:18] <Insomniac-> now i have 3, 2 of which don't even work
[03:18] <getafix> permission denied
[03:18] <Insomniac-> and i'm too lazy to throw em away
[03:18] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: lol
[03:19] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: whats wrong with up?
[03:19] <getafix> sdo?
[03:19] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: em*
[03:19] <_nano_> sudo ls -al /media/hda2
[03:19] <_nano_> yeah
[03:19] <Insomniac-> p133 - hd died, amd400 - mainboard broken
[03:19] <getafix> yup?
[03:19] <_nano_> paste it here
[03:19] <_nano_> what you see infront of you
[03:19] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: ahh... come on, you can't throw those away....
[03:19] <Insomniac-> watch me
[03:19] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: interchange parts and make a custom box out of it
[03:20] <Insomniac-> interchange what exactly?
[03:20] <DJ_Mer_> well does the AMD have an hdd?
[03:20] <Insomniac-> parts are incompatible
[03:20] <Insomniac-> no
[03:20] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: ahh... then i guess toss em
[03:20] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i just hate to throw stuff out... I still have my first car... and it hasn't driven since the trip to utah that i took that led to its fatal end.
[03:20] <getafix> its long
[03:20] <Insomniac-> going to sell this pc when i get my new one
[03:20] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root     16384 2005-12-14 01:57 .
[03:20] <getafix> drwxr-xr-x  8 root root       240 2005-12-15 02:17 ..
[03:20] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root     20480 2005-11-05 15:43 acid
[03:20] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root         0 2005-08-22 16:37 Beats
[03:20] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root      4096 2005-07-19 00:07 DATA
[03:21] <getafix> thats hte first 5
[03:21] <getafix> need you more?
[03:21] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root      8192 2005-12-05 14:00 mikes
[03:21] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i guess at some point it does become valuable to throw them away.
[03:21] <getafix> thats where the music is
[03:21] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: the p133 used to be my router
[03:21] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: aww.... lol
[03:21] <_nano_> getafix, sudo ls -ald /media/hda2
[03:22] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: the "router"... final stage in a computers life.
[03:22] <Insomniac-> but i have a hardware router now which uses way less power and is passively cooled
[03:22] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root 16384 2005-12-14 01:57 /media/hda2
[03:22] <Insomniac-> so the 133 is pretty much obsolete
[03:22] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i love it when a computer becomes commissioned as a router.
[03:22] <_nano_> so basically others don't have read permission to that folder
[03:22] <getafix> only root
[03:22] <_nano_> getafix, you need to change that
[03:22] <getafix> can i change that>?
[03:22] <getafix> yeah
[03:22] <getafix> heh
[03:23] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: well i could do more than just routing with it
[03:23] <Insomniac-> like traffic shaping, imap etc
[03:23] <hmpedersen> Again, sorry for repeating myself.. But how do i change, what programs will start when i logon?
[03:23] <_mrj> i have a problem
[03:23] <_mrj> a serious one
[03:23] <Insomniac-> but i can't be bothered to move alot of stuff out of the way just to get to the machine and replace the hd
[03:23] <_mrj> with fonts, cyrillic
[03:23] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: im just glad i got soviet radio up and pimpin' im good for a week before i am off to break something else lol
[03:23] <_mrj> but in firefox and openoffice i see the web pages in cyrillic normal
[03:24] <_mrj> only in xmms and in mplayer i encourage problems
[03:24] <getafix> any idae how i change that nano?
[03:24] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: i hope i remember to throw that computer away when i move out
[03:25] <_mrj> ***help someone ?***
[03:25] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: lol... if not, use it as a decorative item... turn it into a glowing flower pot or something.
[03:25] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: my next task is the infamous Cantenna... I am going to make my own.
[03:26] <Insomniac-> stacked pringles cans?
[03:26] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: so that i can find an open wifi near me and sneak the server onto it :-P
[03:26] <Insomniac-> hehe
[03:26] <_nano_> getafix, sudo chmod 444 /media/hda2
[03:26] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: so i don't have to deal with it hahaha
[03:26] <Insomniac-> reminds me.. i should get a wireless card to play with
[03:27] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: its so fun to steal peoples net... and purposely download porn on it.
[03:27] <getafix> mike@MaxPower:~$ sudo chmod 444 /media/hda2
[03:27] <getafix> chmod: changing permissions of `/media/hda2': Read-only file system
[03:27] <getafix> mike@MaxPower:~$ sudo ls -ald /media/hda2
[03:27] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root 16384 2005-12-14 01:57 /media/hda2
[03:27] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: its evil, but i mean hey... don't leave your door open if you don't want a theif to enter right?
[03:27] <_mrj> Insomniac-:  could you help me ?
[03:27] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: help ya what?
[03:27] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: might be fun to combine several wireless networks to increase throughput
[03:27] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: can you do that?
[03:28] <Insomniac-> why not
[03:28] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i've never tried it... i just steal one per resource
[03:28] <Insomniac-> _mrj: help you do what?
[03:28] <_nano_> getafix, can you paste the contents of your fstab file again?
[03:28] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: this song kinda annoys me
[03:29] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: wish he would just find his way home already.
[03:29] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, haha
[03:29] <DJ_Mer_> ohh ohh greenday
[03:29] <DJ_Mer_> :-D
[03:29] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, how about a streaming video server? ;)
[03:29] <getafix> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[03:29] <getafix> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[03:29] <_root> for some reason every time i go to storage media nothing is there?
[03:29] <_mrj> Insomniac-: i wanna install xfonts-cyrillic  but it is not existing on a repository
[03:29] <getafix> /dev/hda5       /               reiserfs notail          0       1
[03:29] <getafix> /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[03:29] <getafix> /dev/hda2       /media/hda2     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[03:29] <getafix> /dev/hda6       /media/hda6     vfat    defaults        0       0
[03:29] <getafix> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[03:29] <getafix> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[03:29] <getafix> heh
[03:29] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: lol... I don't have the available resources or patience fori t.
[03:30] <_mrj> Insomniac-: or i just wanna have cyrillic titles in my XMMS
[03:30] <Insomniac-> _mrj: see if debian has a package
[03:30] <Insomniac-> if they do
[03:30] <_mrj> Insomniac-:  and in Mplayer subtitles in bulgarian which is cyrillic
[03:30] <Insomniac-> steal theirs
[03:30] <_mrj> Insomniac-: how to do that
[03:30] <Insomniac-> packages.debian.org or something like that
[03:30] <_mrj> Insomniac-:  i have downloaded a some package xfonts and tried to install it with dpkg
[03:31] <_mrj> but i ve encouraged a strange errors
[03:31] <_nano_> /dev/hda2       /media/hda2  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222     0       0
[03:31] <_nano_> getafix, use ^^
[03:31] <_nano_> getafix, replace those lines
[03:31] <_nano_> getafix, make sure you're doing sudo nano thingy
[03:31] <_nano_> only replace for hda2
[03:31] <_nano_> don't mess with others
[03:32] <getafix> how do you replace it
[03:32] <_mrj> Insomniac-: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463681
[03:32] <_nano_> by typing :P
[03:33] <getafix> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[03:33] <getafix> #
[03:33] <getafix> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[03:33] <getafix> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[03:33] <getafix> /dev/hda5       /               reiserfs notail          0       1
[03:33] <getafix> /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[03:33] <getafix> /dev/hda2       /media/hda2     ntfs    nls=utf8,unmask=0222        0       0
[03:33] <getafix> /dev/hda6       /media/hda6     vfat    defaults        0       0
[03:33] <getafix> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[03:33] <getafix> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[03:33] <getafix> does it just save it?
[03:33] <dutch> gotta go to work..y'all have a good one...later
[03:33] <getafix> hmm
[03:33] <_nano_> getafix, yes
[03:33] <getafix> i see
[03:33] <Insomniac-> _mrj: it's looking for some script to be there, see if there are any packages related to this one
[03:33] <getafix> once yo exit
[03:34] <_nano_> it will ask for filename
[03:34] <_nano_> just press enter
[03:34] <_nano_> coz the filename would be same
[03:34] <_mrj> Insomniac-: how can i see that with dpkg ?
[03:34] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root 16384 2005-12-14 01:57 /media/hda2
[03:34] <getafix> yup
[03:34] <Kibou> unmask?
[03:34] <getafix> done that
[03:34] <_nano_> ok
[03:34] <_nano_> getafix, sudo mount -a
[03:35] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, do you have radiohead?
[03:35] <Insomniac-> _mrj: dunno which dpkg flag you need
[03:35] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, song requests ;)
[03:35] <getafix> hit enter
[03:35] <getafix> nothing happense
[03:35] <Insomniac-> _mrj: see the manpage, look for an option to show package dependancies
[03:35] <_nano_> getafix, now check if you can browser
[03:35] <_nano_> *browse
[03:36] <_nano_> hda2
[03:36] <Insomniac-> _mrj: i'm going to take a nap (have a headache), good luck
[03:36] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, great song!!!
[03:36] <getafix> nup
[03:36] <getafix> still not enogh permissinos
[03:36] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: i can't do requests on this type of playlist.
[03:36] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: its pre-configured and set to go randomly... lol
[03:37] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: but I do have 4 radio head CD's, they haven't been added to the list though
[03:37] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: i need to get some more sleep before diddling with that, i almost ruined it last time lol
[03:38] <_nano_> getafix,  /dev/hda2       /home/mike/win_C  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222     0       0
[03:38] <_nano_> getafix, try replacing that line with this in your fstab file
[03:38] <_nano_> oops, make that win_D
[03:38] <getafix> but i didn't mount the drives there did i?
[03:38] <_nano_> you would get it now in your home directory
[03:38] <getafix> tey're empty when you ls
[03:39] <_nano_> no you have to remount them
[03:39] <_nano_> just replace the lines
[03:39] <_nano_> and lemme know
[03:40] <getafix> then try browse that directory?
[03:40] <getafix> its empty
[03:41] <_nano_> getafix, sudo mount -a
[03:42] <getafix> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda2 is mounted on /media/hda2
[03:42] <_nano_> sudo unmount /media/hda2
[03:42] <_nano_> and then sudo mount -a
[03:43] <getafix> unmount commonad not found
[03:43] <_nano_> umount :P
[03:43] <_nano_> sorry
[03:43] <_nano_> :P
[03:44] <_nano_> getafix, man you would be pulling out your hair now :P
[03:44] <getafix> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[03:44] <getafix>        missing codepage or other error
[03:44] <getafix>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[03:44] <getafix>        dmesg | tail  or so
[03:44] <getafix> if it wasn't for you?
[03:44] <getafix> its kinda fun
[03:44] <getafix> cause i'm learning
[03:44] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: know whats funny? the way this randomizer seems to select songs is so good i haven't seen a reason to wanna change it yet... my old one was horrible at puting genres with stuff they didn't belong with.
[03:44] <getafix> i now know what sudo and ls
[03:44] <getafix> are
[03:44] <getafix> and learning this mounting crap
[03:45] <_nano_> could you send me your fstab file ?
[03:45] <_nano_> let's get on PM getafix
[03:45] <getafix> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register!
[03:45] <getafix> i gues i'l register first
[03:45] <_nano_> hahaha
[03:46] <_nano_>   "/msg NickServ register **** "
[03:46] <_nano_> where **** is your password
[03:46] <getafix> booo
[03:46] <_nano_> haha
[03:46] <getafix> already registered
[03:46] <getafic> YUS
[03:48] <^rob^> hi
[03:48] <^rob^> how can i grep with two words - like :  last |grep (system || down)
[03:57] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, isn't there a way to influence the randomizer to get radiohead songs? :)
[03:59] <_jonas> vad betyder det att "spraren r nedkopplad" i Ktorrent och hur gr jag fr att komma frbi problemet?
[04:00] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: they aren't listed yet... only songs with artists up to O have been loaded
[04:00] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: radiohead will be on by tonight though.
[04:00] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, cool :D
[04:01] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: it certainly is cranking out the greenday right now eh?
[04:01] <BlueDevil> does anyone have the same issue with kpdf as I do? see here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5753
[04:01] <DJ_Mer_> okay guys, im off to bed.
[04:02] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: enjoy the radio... but be careful, its been thought to cause cancer in a certain ammount of lab rats.
[04:02] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: lmao... you'll hate this song.
[04:04] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_,  :(
[04:05] <_jonas> What does it mean that the tracker is unknown when I am downloading using Ktorrent and how do I get by this problem?
[04:07] <DJ_Mer_> lmfao...
[04:07] <DJ_Mer_> a deer crashed thru a smoothie store front door
[04:08] <_nano_> :P
[04:08] <DJ_Mer_> thats hilarious, they've got the security camera tape on cnn.com
[04:08] <DJ_Mer_> it just goes flying through the front door.
[04:14] <mrj> why after i install xfonts-cronyx i do not see them ?
[04:14] <mrj> where are they installed ?
[04:14] <mrj> i installed it with apt-get
[04:15] <Stele> anyone know what happened to kdbg?
[04:17] <mrj> Stele:  where are you from ?
[04:18] <Stele> where was I born or where do I live?
[04:18] <Stele> :)
[04:20] <Stele> why does adept not show "kde" as being  installed
[04:20] <Stele> ?
[04:21] <seth_k|away> Stele, because KDE is a very large metapackage
[04:21] <seth_k|away> it's not all installed
[04:22] <Stele> ah
[04:22] <seth_k|away> only parts of it are, like kdebase
[04:22] <Stele> is it safe to install it though?
[04:22] <Stele> will it mess up my environment?
[04:22] <Stele> i need the dev tools
[04:22] <seth_k|away> yeah... but it'll pull in a whole bunch of stuff you probably don't want
[04:22] <seth_k|away> if you want the dev stuff, install kde-devel
[04:22] <Stele> ok cool
[04:22] <Stele> thanks for clearing that up
[04:22] <Stele> i just want kdbg
[04:23] <seth_k|away> Reverse Depends:
[04:23] <seth_k|away>   kdevelop3-dev
[04:23] <seth_k|away>   kdevelop3
[04:23] <seth_k|away>   kde-devel-extras
[04:23] <seth_k|away> install any of those packages to get kdbg
[04:23] <Stele> i didnt get kdbg with kdevelop3
[04:24] <Stele> at least in a form i can run from the commandline
[04:25] <Stele> rm -rf _root
[04:25] <Stele> oops
[04:25] <Stele> LOL
[04:26] <mrj> seth_k|away: please help
[04:29] <DeadZed> heh :)
[04:30] <Stele> i added that to bash.org
[04:31] <DeadZed> what did you add to bash.org?
[04:31] <Stele> that little exchange with _root
[04:31] <youssef> Hi all !
[04:31] <Stele> i thought it humurous
[04:31] <DeadZed> give us the link Stele
[04:31] <Stele> humorous even
[04:31] <Stele> still pending: http://www.bash.org/?590338
[04:32] <DeadZed> humurous is also a good adjective :)
[04:32] <Stele> heh
[04:33] <Stele> this is my favorite: http://www.bash.org/?244321
[04:34] <DeadZed> thats an old one
[04:34] <Stele> and a good one :)
[04:34] <mrj> does ANYONE know how can i install cyrillic fonts in kubuntu
[04:34] <mrj> ?
[04:34] <mrj> !cyrillic
[04:34] <ubotu> No idea, mrj
[04:34] <mrj> !fonts
[04:34] <ubotu> [fonts]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[04:35] <DeadZed> learn latin alphabet
[04:35] <DeadZed> and drop russian :)
[04:35] <Stele> mrj: run adept and type cyrillic into the search field
[04:35] <Stele> more fonts than you can shake a dick at
[04:35] <Stele> er, stick too
[04:35] <mrj> Stele: i am not using adept but apt-get
[04:35] <DeadZed> howcome there is adept instead kynaptic in Kubuntu
[04:35] <Stele> oh well blow it out your goat then
[04:35] <mrj> Stele: and i have installed a lots of fonts but they seems not to appear ?!?
[04:36] <Stele> no clue
[04:36] <mrj> :(
[04:36] <mrj> 2 days
[04:36] <Stele> <-- not a font expert
[04:36] <mrj> have i almost not slept...
[04:36] <mrj> Stele: what country are u from
[04:36] <Stele> maybe you did fall asleep
[04:36] <Stele> and you are dreaming that the fonts dont work?
[04:36] <mrj> :)
[04:36] <Stele> USA
[04:36] <mrj> what is kdbg ?
[04:36] <DeadZed> I just installed kubuntu today .. Howcome theyve made such strange choices ... like .. Konversation (not xchat),, adept (not kynaptic) .. kopete (not amsn) etc etc ..
[04:37] <Stele> kde debugger
[04:37] <mrj> has something to do with Bulgarian ?
[04:37] <mrj> aah
[04:37] <mrj> :)
[04:37] <mrj> i thought ....
[04:37] <mrj> :)
[04:37] <hmpedersen> can ne1 help me? Im attempting to customize my desktop atm..
[04:37] <nalioth> DeadZed: xchat is a gtk app, adept is the 'new' "up and coming" package mangler
[04:38] <nalioth> hmpedersen: ask a question
[04:38] <DeadZed> is adapt better than kynaptic?
[04:38] <Stele> i like adept
[04:38] <DeadZed> and konversation looks really poor compared to xchat
[04:38] <Stele> and if it's "up and coming", I'm all for it!
[04:38] <hmpedersen> nalioth, i cant figure out how to add Documents and Home folders to desktop.. and cant figure out how to get 2 panels either..
[04:38] <Stele> wow that sounded really gay
[04:38] <DeadZed> k, I'll go with those default apps then :)
[04:39] <DeadZed> Stele What sounded gay
[04:39] <Stele> my comment about up and coming
[04:39] <nalioth> hmpedersen: hmpedersen open konqueror as a small window (file manager konqueror)
[04:39] <Stele> i was lampooning myself
[04:39] <nalioth> y'all be civil, please
[04:39] <DeadZed> konversation feels really cumbersome and weird
[04:40] <hmpedersen> i got the 2 panels now, btw..
[04:40] <Stele> i wasnt insulting anyone - i was poking fun at my own comment
[04:40] <Stele> sorry
[04:40] <hmpedersen> Okay.. I have filemanager open..
[04:40] <DeadZed> how to get severlist in konversation
[04:40] <Stele> ie. MY comment sounded gay
[04:40] <Stele> sorry for the confusion
[04:40] <Stele> everyone back to your respective terminals
[04:41] <DeadZed> Stele .. are you sure you're not gay subcociously
[04:41] <Stele> pretty sure
[04:41] <nalioth> hmpedersen: no click and drag your home folder to your desktop, and click 'link here'
[04:41] <DeadZed> lets start kubuntu users gay club
[04:41] <nalioth> y'all take the personality queries to #kubuntu-offtopic please
[04:42] <DeadZed> I asked a concrete kubuntu question.. no-one answered :(
[04:42] <youssef> Is there anybody how know a good site with lots of "*.deb" for Kubuntu for example ?!
[04:42] <hmpedersen> thanx, nalioth
[04:42] <DeadZed> youssef: you know sources.list ??
[04:42] <youssef> no dont know
[04:42] <youssef> i m still fresh noob ^^!
[04:42] <nalioth> ubotu: tell youssef about repos
[04:43] <nalioth> youssef: read your PM, and enable universe and multiverse  repos
[04:43] <youssef> very thanks all
[04:43] <youssef> :) i love this tribu
[04:43] <DeadZed> youssef:  here's a google search for you http://www.google.com/search?hl=et&q=kubuntu+sources.list+deb&btnG=Otsi&lr=
[04:44] <DeadZed> heh .. not an english google link :)
[04:45] <youssef> no pb it s in english ;)
[04:46] <youssef> documentations are well done !
[04:46] <youssef> damn i gonna kick windows for ever :)
[04:47] <DeadZed> mouse gestures in konqueror is a nice improvement :)
[04:47] <nalioth> DeadZed: that's not wise. non k/ubuntu pkgs can wreck your install
[04:47] <youssef> firefox is better !
[04:48] <youssef> wreck = ?? ??
[04:48] <DeadZed> youssef:  yes, there is such an english word ... dictionary.com
[04:49] <youssef> ok i think it was a shortcut !
[04:49] <youssef> :)
[04:49] <youssef> i prefer reverso.com
[04:49] <youssef> it free ^ ^
[04:49] <DeadZed> Stele: how long have you been using kubuntu now
[04:50] <nalioth> youssef: using non official packages can cause big problems
[04:50] <DeadZed> what problems
[04:50] <nalioth> youssef: enable those repositories, update you apt, and you'll have over 16,000 pkgs to choose from
[04:50] <nalioth> DeadZed: failure to upgrade is one problem
[04:51] <DeadZed> you  mean dependencies?
[04:52] <Drakeson> there are only a few .deb's out of the repos worth installing, mostly non free stuff that cannot be in repos. almost all of your needs would be satisfied if you stay within repos
[04:52] <nalioth> DeadZed: yes. using non official pkgs can lock your box to the level of the oldest unresolvable upgrade
[04:52] <ilba7r> naliolth how can i compile packages that require gcc 3.3 on breezy. Can I just install gcc 3.3 and run it or would it cause problems by overwritting some libs?
[04:53] <nalioth> ilba7r: you can have as many gcc version onboard at a time as you like, with no problems at all
[04:53] <DeadZed> there is a package that enables compiling and has make gcc cpp and all that
[04:53] <nalioth> DeadZed: yes, but it doesnt install specific gcc versions, only 4.0
[04:53] <ilba7r> thanx nalioth and deadzed
[04:54] <nalioth> ilba7r: you do have "build-essential" installed, right?
[04:54] <ilba7r> sure nalitoth
[04:55] <ilba7r> it is just the header files or would it depend on the gcc ver i use?
[04:55] <nalioth> ilba7r: you've lost me. header files for what?
[04:55] <DeadZed> ilba7r: are you on kubuntu ?
[04:56] <ilba7r> would the build-essentail depend on the gcc compiler ver
[04:56] <nalioth> ilba7r: build-essential will install gcc 4.0
[04:56] <ilba7r> DeadZed I run kde gnome fluxbox openbox icewm and enlightenment on my ubuntu box
[04:56] <nalioth> ilba7r: you can install any other gcc versions you may require
[04:56] <ilba7r> ok thanx nalioth
[04:57] <DeadZed> ilba7r:  which one of those you like or use the most
[04:57] <ilba7r> enlightenment, just like apple os look of it
[04:57] <ilba7r> and i like DR16 more than the newer DR17
[05:01] <_william> does anyone has some info about hot to use banshee with kubuntu breezy?
[05:03] <_william> I have this when I try: DBus.DBusException: Unable to determine the address of the message bus
[05:05] <_goldbrick> Quick question: What is the URI format for a repository on the local harddrive?
[05:05] <_goldbrick> file:// ?
[05:07] <mrj_> PLEASE HELP
[05:07] <mrj_> could someone tell me about installing cyrillic fonts in kubuntu ???
[05:12] <_william> humm.. did no try it but maybe apt-get install xfonts-cronyx-isocyr-misc console-cyrillic xfonts-cronyx-isocyr-100dpi xfonts-cronyx-isocyr-75dpi xfonts-bolkhov-isocyr-misc xfonts-bolkhov-isocyr-75dpi can do the job.
[05:15] <kkathman> mrj_: if you can locate the font set, you should be able to use them...just upload them to your ~/.fonts directory
[05:15] <mrj_> kkathman:  :) thank you man
[05:16] <mrj_> but could i make that with some kind of packjage ?
[05:16] <mrj_> package*
[05:16] <kkathman> mrj_: for best results its probably better if they are TrueType I believe
[05:17] <mrj_> should i search in internet for truetype fonts ?
[05:17] <lucasvo> hi,
[05:17] <lucasvo> I have issues
[05:17] <lucasvo> with kubuntu dapper
[05:18] <nalioth> mrj_: you can use any TrueType font you like
[05:18] <kkathman> mrj_: probably a good thing to do
[05:18] <kkathman> lucasvo: dapper is basically development
[05:18] <_william> hey, see this package: ttf-uralic
[05:18] <kkathman> so you would probably have problems :)
[05:27] <mrj_> kkathman:  :) thanks man
[05:35] <andreas__> anyone know if the 3.5 kpdf bug will be fixed anytime soon?
[05:36] <hugelmopf> no idea
[05:37] <andreas__> it's annoying not to have a proper pdf reader
[05:38] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Just a little question, can I "take" some space from a partition, not deleting/cleaning the partiotion to install Kubuntu on it? On the Kubuntu-install, that is..
[05:38] <_mart> hey, i got a problem... i ran an update yesterday and somehow my .kde directory got screwed up so i dont have access to it.
[05:38] <hugelmopf> i know. as far as i understand, it seems to be a packaging bug, i don't think it will be there for too long ...
[05:39] <_mart> anyone know a way to fix it?
[05:39] <hugelmopf> _mart: and update would not touch anything in your home directory, so this must have been caused by something else. what is the problem exactly?
[05:39] <hugelmopf> ^^an update
[05:40] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Eh..
[05:40] <_mart> i cannot enter, read, or write to my .kde directory anymore (permission denied) as a result I cannot log in to kde with that user.
[05:41] <_mart> i tried chown -R username:username .kde but that didnt help
[05:41] <_mart> i chmod -R +r+w .kde and that didnt help either
[05:42] <Jaakilju_Worhan> My question in a more understandable way: If I want to make a partitions on the Kubuntu install, can I take the space out of one of my old partitions, not wiping the old partition? Going to have Windows + Kubuntu..
[05:42] <hugelmopf> _mart: "ls -al | grep .kde" ?
[05:43] <_mart> i'll try that....
[05:43] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Would appreciate if someone answered, and I wasn't forced to make partitions in windows.
[05:44] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: this seems to say that it is possible: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/installation/Partitioning
[05:44] <hugelmopf> _mart: i just wanted to know the output of that
[05:44] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok, going to check that out, thank you! :-)
[05:44] <_mart> drw-r--r--  4 jordan jordan    4096  2005-11-30 14:42 /kde
[05:45] <hugelmopf> is this a slash ahead of kde?
[05:45] <_mart> typo :)
[05:45] <_mart> .kde
[05:45] <hugelmopf> it should be +x as well i believe: "chmod +x .kde"
[05:45] <hugelmopf> "chmod u+x .kde" i mean
[05:46] <_mart> we want to make it executable?
[05:46] <_mart> ok, thanks
[05:46] <hugelmopf> i am no expert in this, but i believe directories have to be "+x" to be "enterable"
[05:46] <_mart> ok.
[05:47] <Jaakilju_Worhan> By the way, does kubuntu work with just partition root(/)? Or do I need SWAP and such?
[05:47] <_mart> so i deffinatly wouldn't want to do a -R because that would then make all the files executable, right?/
[05:47] <hugelmopf> _mart: right
[05:47] <_mart> thanks
[05:47] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Hugel? :-)
[05:48] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: you are not forced to create a swap, but the installer will even strongly advice you.
[05:48] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok.
[05:48] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I will create Swap.
[05:48] <hugelmopf> Jaakilje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwapFaq
[05:48] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Thanks for all the info, I'll install Kubuntu now. :-)
[05:49] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I hope I won't format my HDs and fuck up the install. ;-)
[05:49] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Bye!
[05:58] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Hehheh, I'm now going to ask the most newbiest question.. : / When I insert the Cd where I burned Kubuntu, and boot, it just boots windows. =P And I do have CD as the first drive to boot from.
[05:59] <Jaakilju_Worhan> So..
[05:59] <Jaakilju_Worhan> What to do? : \
[05:59] <Jaakilju_Worhan> and I didn't burn the image to the CD, I burned the files.
[05:59] <Stele> thats your problem
[05:59] <Jaakilju_Worhan> ?
[05:59] <Stele> you needed to burn the image to make it bootable
[06:00] <Jaakilju_Worhan> So I should have the .iso or whatever in the cd?
[06:00] <Stele> yeah
[06:00] <hugelmopf> no
[06:00] <Stele> files arent bootable, images are
[06:00] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok.
[06:00] <Stele> not IN the CD
[06:00] <Jaakilju_Worhan> :-P
[06:00] <Stele> burn the IMAGE itself to the CD
[06:00] <hugelmopf> in your burning program there should be a special option to burn an ISO
[06:00] <Stele> dont COPY the image to the CD
[06:00] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Hugel
[06:00] <ninnghizidha> Hi there! I got questions about kde3.5 libs
[06:01] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I'm doing this with Windows own burning software, I can't be arsed to install anything else cause I burn Cd's VERY seldom.
[06:01] <Jaakilju_Worhan> maybe a cd / year..
[06:01] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Stele
[06:01] <Stele> well you need a cd burning program that can burn images
[06:01] <youssef> How know well about optimization ?!
[06:01] <Stele> ISO images not picture images
[06:01] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: i'm sorry, but you cannot expect me to know anything about windows burning application ;-)
[06:01] <youssef> Who*
[06:02] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Should I have .disk / dists / doc / install etc in the CD when I open it with windows? : /
[06:02] <youssef> i got a Pentium4 and i m in 686 version kernel, that ok or it s not optimized ?
[06:02] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Haha
[06:03] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I thought I dl'ed Kubuntu.. :D Took Ubuntu.. But it should not be very different on the install and such?
[06:03] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Or the file Ubuntu-5.1-install-amd64.iso ?
[06:05] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Stele?
[06:05] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Should I have .disk / dists / doc / install etc in the CD when I open it with windows? Or the file Ubuntu-5.1-install-amd64.iso ?
[06:05] <Tm_T> Jaakilju_Worhan: the first one
[06:06] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Hmm..
[06:06] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Strange, I do have them that way.
[06:06] <Jaakilju_Worhan> And it just doesn't boot from there. Just runs Windows.
[06:06] <Tm_T> bios ;)
[06:06] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I have CD as the first drive to boot from.
[06:07] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Gah..
[06:07] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong? =P
[06:07] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: you'll have to find somebody who is experienced with windows' burning application. i am not ,sorry.
[06:08] <Jaakilju_Worhan> That should not be the problem.
[06:08] <Stele> you need a windows program that can burn an iso
[06:08] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I have it correctly burned, at least TmT thinks so
[06:09] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I'll post a picture so you guys understand..
[06:09] <Jaakilju_Worhan> A sec.
[06:09] <Stele> i gotta run
[06:09] <Stele> if you cd doesnt boot than you havent burned the image properly
[06:10] <Jaakilju_Worhan> http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/975/ubuntucd1kf.jpg
[06:10] <Jaakilju_Worhan> There
[06:11] <Jaakilju_Worhan> So should it be burned like that?
[06:11] <ninnghizidha> ... where can i get the development-files for kde3.5... ? *confused*
[06:11] <Stele> no
[06:11] <Stele> well, maybe
[06:11] <Stele> i dont know what the contents should look like
[06:11] <Stele> but I used Nero to burn my iso
[06:11] <Stele> gotta go
[06:11] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Well, that's what the .iso had in.
[06:12] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I took them out with Winrar and burned them on the Cd.
[06:12] <eXistenZ> Jaakilju_Worhan, shouldn't do that with winrar
[06:12] <SAngel> Hi, I am not in kununtu as of now but I have been unable to extend apt database to allow me to show more applications to install.
[06:12] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Why not?
[06:12] <eXistenZ> Jaakilju_Worhan, it'll be become unbootablwe
[06:12] <eXistenZ> *unbootable
[06:12] <SAngel> I run kunntu.
[06:12] <Jaakilju_Worhan> So
[06:12] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: Last time, you have to use a program that can burn the ISO, not only the contents of the CD. search on the web for information how to do that.
[06:13] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok.
[06:13] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I'll use Nero or something.
[06:13] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Thanks.
[06:13] <hugelmopf> ^^ not only the contents of the ISO, that is
[06:13] <SAngel> Is there a way to understand step by step how to enable kubuntu to display more applications? i do not have firefox nor xchat
[06:13] <eXistenZ> Jaakilju_Worhan, go for alcohol
[06:13] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok
[06:13] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Though I had it.
[06:13] <eXistenZ> Jaakilju_Worhan, OKie, have a nice day!
[06:13] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: besides that... you might be better off using the i386 CD instead of AMD64
[06:13] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Gotta crack it / something, never registered it.
[06:13] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Why?
[06:14] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: Some things are still more difficult on AMD64 than on i386, and you sound like you want something that works more easily ;-)
[06:14] <Jaakilju_Worhan> ;-)
[06:15] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Can't be arsed to download it again. : \
[06:15] <Jaakilju_Worhan> So I'll just try with the AMD64.
[06:15] <hugelmopf> Ok.
[06:16] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: some drivers and programs just don't work on AMD64 yet.
[06:16] <SAngel> Is there a way to understand step by step how to enable kubuntu to display more applications to install? i do not have firefox nor xcha
[06:16] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Hugel
[06:16] <hugelmopf> SAngel: have you installed them with the package manager (Adept)?
[06:17] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Is it just few apps or like 40% of them?
[06:17] <SAngel> hugelmopf, what is (have you installed them) referring to? With Adept, I do not get in the listing mozilla-firefox, or xchat
[06:17] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: well, ubuntu is doing a good job integrating the most important ones as i386 packages (e.g. OpenOffice2)
[06:18] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok.
[06:18] <Jaakilju_Worhan> But I'll try AMD64 and switch if I can't handle it. ;)
[06:20] <SAngel> hugelmopf, how come I do not get mozilla in the Adept list?
[06:21] <lordpatman> hi
[06:21] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: i believe flash-plugin might not work under amd64
[06:21] <_mart> is there a way to do a recursive chmod for directories only?
[06:22] <Jaakilju_Worhan> So can't use Flashes in AMD64? =P
[06:22] <hugelmopf> SAngel: Have you added any additional repositories? it might not be on the install-cd.
[06:23] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: no, not unless there is a i386 version installed as well (which is difficult and i don't know if ubuntu does it by default)
[06:24] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok.
[06:24] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Well that isn't a that big problem.
[06:24] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I'll now burn the image again.
[06:24] <SAngel> hugelmopf, this is what I did not understand so far. Please could you explain just so I understand and also how to find out which repository I have to look for?
[06:25] <Jaakilju_Worhan> With alcohol
[06:25] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Found a crack.
[06:25] <_mart> hugelmopf, thanks for your help earilier. I think chmod u+x is fixing my problem, but is there a way to do a chmod -R that will only affect directories?
[06:26] <_mart> SAngel mozilla should be in the breezy release repository
[06:27] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Hugel, but are they fixing those things to work in AMD64 or something? :-P
[06:27] <_mart> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure there's not a # on the breezy release line
[06:28] <hugelmopf> SAngel: have you looked around the Wiki (http://wiki.ubuntu.com)? it is answering a lot of questions, especially about repositories.
[06:29] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: the flash plugin is not open source, so macromedia would have to fix it. if you want to use anything that is not open source, i recommend you to use the i386 installer. period.
[06:29] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok.
[06:29] <coolio10> why wont kubuntu let me put the firefox install into opt?
[06:29] <coolio10> i need to put it in opt to install
[06:29] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Now I'm off to installing.
[06:29] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Thanks!
[06:30] <wimpies> hi guys, I read somewhere there exist wrappers for skype to work with artsd ? Confirmations ?
[06:31] <hugelmopf> _mart: i don't know the command right now. is this a fresh install? or have you already used and customized KDE for this user?
[06:31] <Riddell> wimpies: artsdsp skype ?
[06:32] <wimpies> it segfaults but I just fond artsdsp -m skype ...
[06:32] <wimpies> no, segfaults too
[06:33] <andreas__> seems to work here :o
[06:33] <wimpies> andreas__ : skype ?
[06:34] <SAngel> hugelmopf I read the wiki page. I applied the changes, but when i refresh I still get the same applications. It is like I add more repositories and still have the same database
[06:35] <hugelmopf> SAngel: which program are you looking for, that you don't find? firefox?
[06:36] <hugelmopf> SAngel: do you have all "state filters" and "easy-tag-filters" turned on?
[06:37] <SAngel> I know that I have all flags turned off, and I browse manyally the entire tree of applications and all I get is about 980 applications installed out of 1200 (more and less) and do not see firefox or xchat.
[06:37] <seth_k|away> mrj_, hi
[06:37] <hugelmopf> SAngel: by "refresh" you mean fetch updates, right?
[06:38] <SAngel> hugelmopf, also, for being easier to me, could you please post your /etc/apt/sources.list so I can see it?
[06:38] <SAngel> hugelmopf, yes
[06:41] <hugelmopf> SAngel: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463949
[06:41] <_root> hi
[06:41] <_root> this is coolio10
[06:41] <_root> can anyone help me install firefox 1.5?
[06:42] <_root> and for some reason my storage media has no files or folders shown?
[06:42] <hugelmopf> SAngel: if you are in another country, you might want to substitute the local mirrors
[06:42] <nalioth> _root: there is a wiki.ubuntu.com article on firefox 1.5
[06:42] <nalioth> _root: idk the link, tho
[06:44] <SAngel> hugelmopf, thank you this was important. I will later on boot on kbuntu and apply what needs to be changed
[06:44] <SAngel> nalioth, thanks
[06:44] <nalioth> !firefox15
[06:44] <ubotu> it has been said that firefox15 is see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[06:44] <nalioth> bingo.
[06:45] <_root> i tried following it but im complete noob so couldnt do it
[06:47] <ninnghizidha> do anyone know what package is needed for kdecorations.h?
[06:47] <_root> and i dont get the opt thing
[06:47] <nalioth> ninnghizidha: if you install, set up and use apt-file, you can find any files you like
[06:48] <_root> i put firefox installer in opt directory and ran the command but said no such file or directory
[06:48] <ninnghizidha> oh, sounds like a valuable hint .. let me try :-)
[06:48] <nalioth> you have to run ./file   root
[06:48] <nalioth> _root: also you need to make sure the file is marked executable
[06:51] <PupenoL> I have created a kernel module package with module-assistant (zaptel-module), my problem is that it ends on /lib/modules/2.6.12 instead of /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686/, any ideas ?
[06:51] <hugelmopf> PupenoL: seems like a bug in the package. copy it to the correct directory and run "depmod -a"
[06:52] <hugelmopf> (it = the zaptel.ko or whatever it is called)
[06:52] <PupenoL> hugelmopf: I know how to place the modules by hand, I want to fix my package.
[06:56] <hugelmopf> PupenoL: sounds like this is referring to your problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=284772;archive=yes -- but it should have been fixed?
[06:57] <hugelmopf> good luck fixing it, i'm off...
[07:06] <_root> im back
[07:07] <_root> nalioth can you help me setup firefox?
[07:07] <nalioth> _root: the wiki page didnt help you?
[07:07] <_root> nope im not smart enough
[07:07] <_root> dont know how to do it so i need steps
[07:08] <Tm_T> I see root... :(
[07:08] <nalioth> Tm_T: ROOT?
[07:08] <_root> also nalioth how do you know so much about kubuntu? People were trying to help me fix my res and they couldnt do it then you came along straight away and fixed my problem
[07:09] <Tm_T> nalioth: 20:06 -!- _root [n=root@C
[07:09] <Tm_T> ;)
[07:09] <nalioth> _root: i dont know anything about kubuntu. just linux in general
[07:09] <nalioth> Tm_T: oh! THAT root
[07:09] <_root> oh
[07:10] <Tm_T> _root: what is your res problem?
[07:10] <Tm_T> lemme guess, xorg.conf isn't set correctly
[07:10] <_nano_> where are the icons for applications usually located? (applications installed through apt-get)
[07:11] <_root> nalioth already solved it
[07:11] <nalioth> _nano_: /usr/share/icons or /usr/share/pixmaps   iirc
[07:11] <_nano_> nanlioth, thanks
[07:12] <Tm_T> aye
[07:12] <Tm_T>  /usr/share is always good place to start searching ;)
[07:12] <nalioth> _root: the wiki page on firefox15 seems quite well explained to me
[07:12] <Tm_T> hmm, time to upgrade irssi ->
[07:13] <Tm_T> errrh
[07:13] <_root> nalioth do i download the firefox installer to my opt directory and do the command?
[07:14] <nalioth> _root: follow the directions a step at a time.
[07:14] <_root>  i did i dont get...........
[07:14] <_root> and change to the directory you downloaded it to.
[07:14] <Tm_T> nalioth: yu sir :)
[07:14] <Tm_T> uff, nice mess in irssi after /upgrade
[07:15] <_root> do i enter the exact command after that sentence it mentions?
[07:16] <_root> so far all i have is firefox-1.5.tar.gz on my desktop and stuck there
[07:17] <_nano_> nalioth, wow thanks! Most of the icons are in the pixmaps folder
[07:17] <neighborlee> does it matter if I install kubuntu via synatpic or direct from  CD ??
[07:18] <_root> it will just have gnome and kde
[07:18] <nalioth> neighborlee: doesnt matter at all
[07:18] <neighborlee> ok thx
[07:18] <neighborlee> both of you ;-0-
[07:18] <_root> from login manager choose session tope
[07:22] <_root> think i installed firefox now but how do i run iT?
[07:23] <_root> tried typing firefox but nothing happened
[07:23] <nalioth> _root: if you've followed the instructions, it should be in your menu
[07:25] <goldbrick> Hey, is there a tutorial on how to get Adept to work with a local repository ?
[07:27] <_root> thanks i got it working
[07:29] <_root> why is my storage media folder got no icons in it?
[07:29] <nalioth> cuz you have nothing in the media folder, perhaps, _root ?
[07:29] <_root> its telling me it has no files?
[07:29] <_root> it should atleast have hda2
[07:30] <nalioth> could be many things.
[07:30] <_root> if i go to properties then calculate it detects the files still
[07:31] <Kibou> someone said it's a bug.. together with the device icons not showing up on the desktop
[07:31] <_root> do you know how to fix?
[07:32] <Kibou> no.. maybe kde 3.5 fixes this.
[07:37] <mwe> does anyone know how to change the default font size in wine? it's tiny.
[07:38] <PupenoL> what virtualization/emulation do you recommend to run Debian inside Kubuntu ?
[07:40] <nalioth> !qemu
[07:40] <ubotu> well, qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[07:40] <neighborlee> is kubuntu going to addopt the same end-user friendly automount/umount features in dapper ? (I presume it would but I want to verify )
[07:42] <_root> does anyone know when kde 3.5 will be in kubuntu via adept or adept updater?
[07:42] <nalioth> _root: visit kubuntu.org for your answer
[07:42] <PaloDeQueso> I tried ripping two different dvds but both times the audio was out of sync, I used acidrip.
[07:47] <goldbrick> _root: I just installed KDE 3.5 via Adept today
[07:51] <_root> is it just the package kde?
[07:51] <nalioth> _root: did you visit kubuntu.org and read about how to get 3.5?
[07:51] <_root> yes
[07:51] <_root> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[07:52] <nalioth> _root: then once you do what it says, all you'll need to do is update
[07:58] <_root> right now im getting it off adept is that right?
[07:58] <_root> i didnt see any downloads on the website
[07:59] <nalioth> _root: did you add to your sources.list and d/l and install a key as the site suggested?
[07:59] <_root> yes do i do adept next?
[08:00] <nalioth> _root: update your adept, and a dist-upgrade should bring you 3.5
[08:01] <_root> i added deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main does that sound right? Then i press fetch updates in adept?
[08:03] <nalioth> _root: yup, sounds good
[08:06] <_root> just downloaded the keys
[08:07] <_root> and then i press full upgrade?
[08:07] <_root> tried installing package kde but said some error so should i press full upgrade?
[08:08] <nalioth> _root: yes, full upgrade
[08:09] <_rootk> thanks
[08:09] <_rootk> nalioth are you with kubuntu staff in any way?
[08:10] <nalioth> _rootk: nope. just a volunteer
[08:10] <_root> oh you should be because you know so much about kubuntu
[08:10] <_root> and your always active
[08:10] <nalioth> well, unless i'm asleep, lol
[08:10] <_root> lol
[08:11] <_root> oh well g2g
[08:11] <_root> bye
[08:13] <_nano_> nalioth, how do I launch mplayer from command line?
[08:14] <nalioth> _nano_: mplayer /path/to/file
[08:14] <_nano_> nalioth, but if I don't have anything to play, just the app then?
[08:14] <nalioth> _nano_: then just mplayer or gmplayer (you don't have mplayer on the menu?)
[08:15] <_nano_> nalioth, actually i do, but you see i was adding a launcher in my xfce panel and simply putting "mplayer" launches nothing :(
[08:16] <_nano_> nalioth, using just "gmplayer" only partially loads the app
[08:16] <timmy334> neither the breezy from Ubuntu or Kubuntu will start Xorg on a clean install. Apparently it is the Xorg version because Xorg in Dapper for both works just fine
[08:17] <nalioth> !mplayer
[08:17] <ubotu> hmm... mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[08:18] <timmy334> I tried installing them on my laptop(HP Pavilion zd8000) and I can't get the Xorg to start. It's the same errors for both. Caught Signal 4. Says something about not loading GLcore something or other and a couple other things
[08:19] <JDahl> timmy334: have you tried using VESA in xorg?
[08:19] <timmy334> yeah, it will only give me a 1024x768 and my display is 1440x900
[08:21] <JDahl> timmy334: look through /var/log/Xorg.0.log and find lines with "EE". That should tell you more about what's wrong
[08:21] <Stele> what is the command to list the so's a binary is linked against?
[08:21] <timmy334> Does anybody know why I can edit /etc/networks/interfaces the same way for breezy and dapper and everything being the same that I am simply not getting dapper in Kubuntu only to not start my wireless? it starts fine in dapper Ubuntu, just not dapper Kubuntu
[08:23] <Knowerrors> Hey all, anybody here use mencoder?
[08:24] <Sime> quick Q: is anyone using nvidia's video drivers here? (and the agp support from nvidia?)
[08:24] <Stele> yeah
[08:25] <Riddell> a volunteer!
[08:25] <Stele> Sime: yeah
[08:25] <Sime> Stele: are you using the agp kernel module from nvidia? of the default linux one?
[08:26] <Stele> i have PCIE
[08:26] <Stele> so i dont know
[08:26] <Sime> :-)
[08:26] <Stele> i just ran the nv installer and did what it told me
[08:27] <Sime> ok
[08:31] <AlexNG> hey folks, I've recently installed Kubuntu onto my home computer, ensuring a dual booty with Windoze, however my sound which is a 5.1 surround setup no workie, any ideas are appriected, thanks =)
[08:32] <andreas__> booty, workie
[08:33] <AlexNG> dual boot | doesn't work
[08:43] <twetty> hi
[08:43] <twetty> what is the portal the create a localized source.list ?
[08:43] <twetty> i remember it was holland
[08:43] <ClayG> !sources
[08:43] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:44] <twetty> thx :)
[08:44] <ClayG> np
[08:44] <twetty> aaah, !sources, ok
[08:46] <purplefeltangel> kstars is being weird; can someone help me?
[08:46] <purplefeltangel> sorry, can someone help me with kstars?
[08:51] <Riddell> anyone having kpdf problems on breezy with KDE 3.5?
[08:52] <JDahl> Riddell: I had constant crashes with KDE3.5 on Ubuntu. For Kubuntu with 3.5, it works fine
[08:53] <JDahl> on amd64
[08:54] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: not that I've noticed.
[08:54] <twetty> another question
[08:54] <twetty> there is the new kernel 2.6.14 ready to be apt-get installed ?
[08:57] <andreas__> apt-cache search linux-image
[08:58] <andreas__> reveals no
[08:58] <nalioth> andreas__: try kernel-image
[09:07] <mrj> cd ~/.mozilla/firefox/*
[09:07] <mrj> hi
[09:07] <mrj> what means that ?
[09:07] <mrj> with ~ in front?
[09:07] <mrj> hugelmopf:  ?
[09:07] <hugelmopf> yes?
[09:08] <mrj> hugelmopf: Hi i have a Problem
[09:08] <mrj> ich kann nicht zu recht komme mit den scheissen Fonts man
[09:08] <mrj> hugelmopf:  what does that mean cd ~/.mozilla/firefox/*
[09:08] <mrj> what is the difference with cd /.mozilla/firefox/*
[09:08] <mrj> ok forget about "cd"
[09:09] <mrj> just  ~/.mozilla/firefox/*
[09:09] <hugelmopf> mrj: the ~ is your home directory
[09:09] <mrj> ach soo
[09:09] <mrj> :)
[09:09] <mrj> so dumm bin ich aber echt
[09:09] <mrj> hugelmopf: could you help me
[09:09] <mrj> with fonts
[09:09] <mrj> how could i install fonts on kubuntu ?
[09:09] <mrj> are there some package ?
[09:10] <hugelmopf> mrj: you are talking about cyrillic fonts?
[09:10] <mrj> :)
[09:10] <mrj> yep
[09:10] <mrj> hugelmopf:  yes
[09:11] <hugelmopf> mrj: i do not have any experience with that, i'm sorry. i would have expected that there are packages for that, but i guess you have already looked for them.
[09:11] <mrj> yes i already looked for them
[09:11] <mrj> the strange thing is that when i used  Mandkrake a long ago it was pretty easy to do tahat
[09:12] <mrj> i've just haved to install xfonts-cyrillic
[09:12] <mrj> and all worked fine
[09:12] <hugelmopf> mrj: "sudo apt-get install t1-cyrillic" for example?
[09:12] <nalioth> mrj: any TrueType font you like can go into ~/.fonts
[09:12] <mrj> but where i take tt fonts
[09:13] <hugelmopf> mrj: have you already installed this package^^?
[09:13] <mrj> i install it now
[09:13] <mrj> i am installing it now
[09:15] <mrj> i have done that
[09:15] <mrj> with xfontsel i have seen that i have one new font : uralic
[09:15] <mrj> but should i restart my Xorg server ?
[09:16] <hugelmopf> which application do you want to use the font in? does it not appear in there yet?
[09:16] <mrj> xmms does not sees the new fonts
[09:16] <mrj> xmms, mplayer
[09:16] <mrj> i beleave i have just not a support for cyrillic fonts
[09:17] <mrj> is taht possible
[09:17] <mrj> but in firefox all works fine
[09:17] <hugelmopf> i dont know if xmms, mplayer have support for cyrillic fonts. have you googled? if in doubt, restart your X.
[09:17] <mrj> i can see a cyrillic web pages
[09:17] <mrj> i reboot
[09:17] <mrj> brb
[09:18] <andreas_> nalioth, kernel-image?
[09:18] <andreas_> didn't they stop using that quite some time ago
[09:20] <mrj> hugelmopf: it is strange - when i start xmms and select uralic font - first it shows the correct song title and then when i play the song it shows nonsence
[09:20] <hugelmopf> andreas_: yes, they did (it's linux-image now), but what are you talking about?
[09:21] <mrj> hugelmopf: i mean - when xmms loads the playlist it first appears normal with cyrillic letters
[09:21] <andreas_> hugelmopf, a discussion that took place some time ago now
[09:21] <mrj> something is very wrong here
[09:21] <andreas_> someone asked if 2.16.14 was available, I asked them to search for linux-image, and nalioth suggested kernel-image instead
[09:21] <_osh_> Is upgrading to 3.5 safe?
[09:21] <hugelmopf> mrj: sorry, but i cannot help you there. you have to google or find somebody else who knows about this.
[09:22] <hugelmopf> andreas_: i see, thought you were in need of help. of course you are right.
[09:22] <andreas_> _osh_, I upgraded to 3.5 and it's slow, so I had to change to xgce
[09:22] <andreas_> xfce*
[09:22] <andreas_> might work fine for you though
[09:22] <nalioth> andreas_: 2.6.14 is in dapper, iirc
[09:23] <_osh_> andreas_: I'll try. What could possibly go wrong... ;-)
[09:24] <hugelmopf> _osh_: kpdf has serious problems
[09:24] <hugelmopf> ah... too late
[09:29] <hugelmopf> hey... i finally figured out the tab completion for nicknames :-)
[09:30] <Kibou> 3.5 is slow?
[09:30] <andreas_> Kibou, for me it's very slow
[09:31] <Kibou> hm..
[09:31] <Kibou> I will definately wait for 3.5.1.. I guess
[09:31] <hugelmopf> Kibou: it's fine for me, except for a few minor bugs and kpdf not working.
[09:32] <andreas_> it might have to do with my settings; I show only tasks in the taskbar for the current desktop, and I have style set to "elegant" on the taskbar
[09:32] <andreas_> this lags tremendously when switching between desktops
[09:33] <Kibou> how about that "device icons not showing up on the desktop - bug"  from 3.4.3?
[09:33] <Kibou> is that fixed?
[09:33] <andreas_> that was never a problem for me
[09:33] <andreas_> what kind of devices?
[09:33] <Kibou> like mounted dvds
[09:33] <Kibou> doesn't work here
[09:34] <Stele> a moose mounted my sister once
[09:34] <Kibou> or missing entries in media:/
[09:34] <hugelmopf> andreas_: i have it set to elegant, and also only for the current desktop. switching between desktops works fine here.
[09:35] <hugelmopf> Kibou: it works here in 3.5.
[09:36] <Kibou> good
[09:40] <hussam> hugelmopf: kpdf's not working in kde3.5?
[09:42] <hugelmopf> hussam: not in the latest update, no.
[09:43] <darkheart> Is it normal to see /usr/bin/ivman -s --nofork process running multiple times?
[09:44] <hugelmopf> darkheart: i have uninstalled ivman, maybe that is why devices and mounting works for me ;-)
[09:45] <Voodoo_Vibe> Hi everyone!
[09:45] <Kibou> ivman was annoying.. yea
[09:45] <darkheart> hugelmopf: Is there any use for it?
[09:45] <hugelmopf> darkheart: i honestly don't know, but it seemed to me, like it interferes negatively. try it out...
[09:46] <darkheart> Basically, KDE freezes on me sometimes..Not very often, but I know it has happened when I tried to switch users, then start a new session, then go back to the original session.
[09:46] <darkheart> So I'm trying to figure out why
[09:46] <darkheart> hugelmopf: I will remove it and see what happens.
[09:46] <Voodoo_Vibe> does anyone know how i can get sound in VLC??
[09:47] <darkheart> Basically ivman is for automounting?
[09:47] <Vincent> what is the kubuntu equivalent of dans kubuntu, o trouve t on l'quivalent System / Preferences / Sessions ?
[09:47] <Vincent> sorry, once again
[09:48] <Vincent> what is the kubuntu equivalent of System / Preferences / Sessions ?
[09:48] <hugelmopf> Vincent: what does that do?
[09:48] <Voodoo_Vibe> can someone help me with sound in VLC??
[09:49] <Vincent> it let you select the programms that run at login, with a priority
[09:49] <darkheart> Vincent: System Settings -> System Services
[09:49] <hugelmopf> Vincent: in KDE, everything in ~/.kde/Autostart will get started on login
[09:50] <hugelmopf> (link to any executable in there and it will get executed, or create a script in there=
[09:50] <djk_> does someone here use dosbox?
[09:50] <adrianoc> help-me please Kopete not have sound.
[09:50] <Voodoo_Vibe> i cant get any sound in vlc and i go to preferences and then output modules. and there is Linux OSS audio output..... but i run alsa.. and i can choose directory.. but what directory is for alsa sound??
[09:51] <hugelmopf> darkheart, Vincent: "System Services" is about what is run on booting, and not login.
[09:51] <darkheart> oops
[09:52] <tb77> Voodoo_Vibe: do you have the alsa plugin installed?
[09:52] <Vincent> I used GNOME, and the configuration I made there still work with KDE
[09:52] <Voodoo_Vibe> tb77: alsa plugin for vlc?? no
[09:52] <Vincent> but there is nothing in Autostart
[09:52] <vblanton> anyone able to us kpdf in KDE 3.5?
[09:53] <hugelmopf> vblanton: no, it is a known bug in the latest update.
[09:53] <Vincent> vblanton: how did you manage to get KDE 3.5 ??
[09:53] <darkheart> hugelmopf: ivman is for automounting filesystems and volume management?
[09:53] <vblanton> hugelmopf: ok
[09:53] <tb77> Voodoo_Vibe: i use kaffeine but try installing vlc-plugin-alsa
[09:53] <hugelmopf> darkheart: yes, at least also.
[09:53] <Vincent> I still have 3.4.3
[09:53] <vblanton> Vincent: enabled universe and added KDE 35 repos. then upgrade!
[09:54] <vblanton> hugelmopf: is it a kde problem or kubuntu?
[09:54] <hugelmopf> Vincent: there are inofficial packages, but as you can hear here and there, they have some small bugs left.
[09:54] <hugelmopf> vblanton: as far as i know kubuntu packaging.
[09:54] <darkheart> hugelmopf: Does your system still automount after you removed ivman?
[09:55] <hugelmopf> darkheart: yes
[09:55] <Vincent> hugelmopf: ok
[09:55] <vblanton> Vincent: right. the only problem I have is not being able to use kpdf, but i think it's worth it for all the other improvements
[09:55] <vblanton> Vincent: especially kdepim (kmail and such)
[09:55] <Voodoo_Vibe> tb77: Thanx that worked!!
[09:55] <darkheart> hugelmopf: Thanks. I'll try removing it then. Do you know if it's normal that there are multiple gpg-agent processes running?
[09:55] <hugelmopf> vblanton, Vincent: i like them too. i am just cautious to recommend them to somebody, who expects everything perfect.
[09:56] <vblanton> Vincent, hugelmopf: right. if you want everything to stay smooth, it might be better NOT to upgrade just yet
[09:56] <vblanton> hugelmopf: oh yes, and the automounting is screwy. it opens all possible options at once...
[09:56] <Vincent> can you quote your related source.list ?
[09:56] <vblanton> hugelmopf: is that a known bug?
[09:56] <hugelmopf> darkheart: i don't have gpg-agent running yet (shame on me, i know) ;-)
[09:57] <darkheart> hugelmopf: LoL, well, that can't be as bad as having multiple gpg-agents running and not know why haha...I don't remember setting it up.
[09:57] <hugelmopf> vblanton: it works perfectly for me. i removed ivman, don't know, if that is recommended, or even necessary though.
[09:57] <hugelmopf> Vincent: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[09:58] <vblanton> hugelmopf: why did you remove ivman?
[09:58] <vblanton> hugelmopf: seems to be important..
[09:58] <hugelmopf> vblanton: because i did not know, what it is doing, and everything worked fine afterwards ;-P
[09:59] <hugelmopf> but as i said: this might not be recommended. but you can always reinstall it later...
[09:59] <Kibou> it automounts and then autostarts an application dependant on what it mounts
[10:00] <Kibou> i.e. you load a cd it mounts it and starts konqueror
[10:02] <hugelmopf> Kibou: but it seems to interfere with something else, at least in KDE 3.5 this also works without ivman
[10:04] <hugelmopf> Kibou: i am not sure about 3.4...? it probably won't pop up anything, but the devices should appear on the desktop.
[10:05] <slicslak> is there a package for gkrellm skins?
[10:06] <djk_> vblanton: ivman isn't important iirc
[10:06] <hugelmopf> errrr... ok, i take back part of that.
[10:07] <hugelmopf> it does not seem to mount automatically.
[10:07] <hugelmopf> maybe that was ivman's job?
[10:07] <djk_> !ivman
[10:07] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ivman is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IvmanConfigAction.xml
[10:07] <Kibou> yes
[10:08] <hugelmopf> Kibou: is is part of KDE?
[10:09] <Kibou> don't know..
[10:11] <_osh_> To get the new firefox you need the universe/mulitiverse/packports or something?
[10:11] <hugelmopf> in KDE 3.5, recognizing the devices (including desktop-icons and action-popup) works for me without ivman
[10:12] <pwolfe> RE: KDE 3.5 Kubuntu 5.10 - Can anyone think of a reason why my selection box would be slow?  I mean to say, when I left click and drag to select multiple files, its very laggy and slow.  It doesnt correspond to how fast im actually moving the mouse
[10:12] <pwolfe> and when I left click and drag to form the area of selection, my proc usage jumps to 100%
[10:13] <hugelmopf> but it does not realize that they are mounted, as soon as they are. trying to mount them again, it gives an error message.
[10:13] <chrisp> is there a shortcut that i can use to get out of kdm to the console?
[10:14] <hugelmopf> chrisp: Ctrl-Alt-F1
[10:14] <Kibou> hm
[10:15] <hugelmopf> this happens with _and_ without ivman though.
[10:15] <chrisp> hugelmopf: ty
[10:16] <Voodoo_Vibe> anyone have any idea why i dont get any sound on Americas Army??
[10:20] <vblanton> anyone know how to get a thesaurus working in OpenOffice2?
[10:20] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: did you use any program that used the Arts backend within the last 60 seconds?
[10:21] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: Like Amarok, Kaffeine?
[10:21] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: or gstreamer, for that matter
[10:21] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton: ??? im new at linux... didnt understand a word of that :)
[10:21] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton: ive played in xmms
[10:21] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: oh, sorry. Did you use amarok or kaffeine in the last 1min before running the game?
[10:22] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: ok. wait a min without using any sound and see if it *automagically* has sound again.
[10:22] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton: just xmms
[10:22] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: you'll have to restart AA
[10:23] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton ok i will try again now then... Thanx
[10:23] <vblanton> np
[10:23] <pwolfe> an easy way to find out is to open a console and run pgep arts, if it responds arts and then some number, thats probably preventing the sound in game from working
[10:23] <pwolfe> *pgrep
[10:23] <vblanton> I playing music in amarok and it just lists two numbers but no "arts"
[10:23] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton: yepp now i had sound!! thanx!
[10:24] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: great ;) what sound card are you using?
[10:24] <neighborlee> oh my did you guys see the linus flame about gnome ?lol
[10:24] <neighborlee> woah nellie
[10:24] <vblanton> neighborlee: I know. I don't think it's linux though. It's probably a imposter
[10:24] <neighborlee> I didn't know he could talk like that <wink>
[10:24] <neighborlee> LOL
[10:24] <vblanton> neighborlee: i mean, linus, not linux
[10:24] <hugelmopf> !firefox15
[10:24] <ubotu> hmm... firefox15 is see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[10:24] <neighborlee> I hear he is sometimes 'opinionated'..so its prob. him <wink>
[10:25] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton: its an onboard via using AC97... :(
[10:25] <neighborlee> vblanton, heh yes
[10:25] <Kibou> he made some valid points though..
[10:25] <hugelmopf> that was for you _osh_
[10:25] <neighborlee> Kibou, definitely..
[10:25] <vblanton> neighborlee: its pretty damn rash, but the gnome developers seem to take it seriously
[10:25] <neighborlee> LOL
[10:25] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: that's the base of the problem. Either get a better sound card with hardware mixing, or just wait a minute each time :)
[10:25] <_osh_> hugelmopf: thanks.
[10:25] <neighborlee> vblanton, im not sure they take much seriously these days..that or the wrong things ;00
[10:26] <neighborlee> vblanton, im been a staunch long-term gnome supporter but im tempted to go along with linus on this one
[10:26] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton: yeah ive ordered a new souncard.
[10:26] <vblanton> neighborlee: I don't agree with bashing gnome. I think it's a great DUI for some people, but not for me.
[10:26] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: what card?
[10:27] <neighborlee> vblanton, I think he's angry at the nerve of developers to take a stance that goes against the grain of logic for end users..the users they are supposedly trying to gain ;-)..go fig
[10:27] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton: Creative SB Audigy 4 PCI, 7.1,EAX4.0,Dolby Digital EX
[10:27] <neighborlee> but yeah he got a tad...excited didn't he <G>
[10:27] <vblanton> neighborlee: he did call them nazi's!!
[10:27] <neighborlee> vblanton, oops I must have missed that..OUCH
[10:27] <mike-e> can i install xfce on kubuntu?
[10:27] <hugelmopf> vblanton: can one run AA through artsdsp probably?
[10:27] <vblanton> There is no real proff it is him thuogh
[10:27] <Voodoo_Vibe> interface nazis
[10:28] <pwolfe> yes you can mike
[10:28] <neighborlee> vblanton, woah
[10:28] <neighborlee> vblanton, I think it is..the guy makes alot of sense..although the expletives are a tad surpising for linus ? <G>
[10:28] <vblanton> neighborlee: he responded again with a longer post after the initial slashdotted one
[10:28] <hugelmopf> Voodoo_Vibe: if you don't want to wait 1min everytime, you can try to run AA through the command "artsdsp americas-army" where the second part is whatever the executable is called
[10:28] <neighborlee> vblanton, hm
[10:28] <vblanton> Well, it did make a bit of a stirr
[10:29] <neighborlee> indeed
[10:29] <_osh_> Talking about Linus attack on gnome? I can't say that blame him. He sort of put words on what I feel when I use gnome.Some things are very good but some other just bugs the hell out of me...
[10:29] <neighborlee> _osh_, yes
[10:29] <Voodoo_Vibe> hugelmopf: i will try that thanx!!
[10:29] <mike-e> pwolfe, how
[10:29] <vblanton> Still, i'll say it again, there is no proof that was actually Linus Torvalds.
[10:29] <neighborlee> _osh_, im semi mifed about no menu editor..I mean ?..but also metacity is junk
[10:30] <pwolfe> are you using 5.10 mike?
[10:30] <neighborlee> err well ..I just hate not having ability to adjust where windows go..as in remembering their states..although of course they claim its better for devdlopers to do it and not Wm's..
[10:30] <mike-e> pwolfe, just download it? i couldn't find xfce in apt-cache, using default kubuntu repos..my boss made me use kubuntu
[10:30] <mike-e> the bastard
[10:30] <pwolfe> open the program adept
[10:31] <vblanton> neighborlee, _osh_: I used gnome when I first came to linux a year and a half ago because KDE was far to windows-like for me. I then switched after the first few months of gnome 2.6/2.8
[10:31] <mike-e> pwolfe, adept?
[10:31] <pwolfe> yes, its a package manager in 5.10
[10:31] <vblanton> mike-e: did you enable the extra repositories?
[10:31] <mike-e> ok it's open
[10:31] <mike-e> vblanton, no
[10:31] <pwolfe> you can edit the sources file from there as well as search for xfce
[10:32] <pwolfe> or edit /etc/apt/source/list
[10:32] <pwolfe> ack, sources.list
[10:32] <_osh_> I really like the desktop switching thingy in gnome, the idea to use the arrow-keys. Much easier than kde's use of the F-keys. Still, I feel that there are things missing whenever I use it. Might be that I'm used to kde more though.
[10:32] <vblanton> mike-e: open adapt, go to Adept > Manage Repos and enable all of the disabled ones and then Fetch Updates
[10:32] <mike-e> uncomment the extra ones?
[10:32] <vblanton> mike-e: should be available after that. It is for me
[10:32] <darkheart> Hmm..is there another step I need to perform to get kaffeine to play .mov files? I installed w32codecs and kaffeine-xine, but it doesn't work yet.
[10:32] <pwolfe> correct mike
[10:33] <vblanton> mike-e: sure thing. especially "universe"
[10:33] <pwolfe> i think its called openquicktime or quicktime4linux
[10:33] <Voodoo_Vibe> can i download PSM through apt-get? and how?
[10:33] <vblanton> mike-e: just be aware that they are not re-evaluated for security on any timely manner, so if your a security freak then you might not want to ;)
[10:33] <darkheart> pwolfe: I'll look, thanks.
[10:33] <hugelmopf> _osh_: what do you mean by desktop switching... have you tried Ctrl-Tab?
[10:34] <vblanton> mike-e: though i'd only worry if you were running a server
[10:34] <mike-e> no i don't care
[10:34] <mike-e> apply all of the ones that are grey?
[10:34] <vblanton> hugelmopf: have you tried 3ddesktop? :))
[10:34] <vblanton> !3ddesktop
[10:34] <ubotu> vblanton: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:34] <mike-e> and i assume the blackened text are the applied repos?
[10:34] <vblanton> :(
[10:34] <pwolfe> anyone know to make middle mouse click paste a url into a blank browser pane?  every flavor of linux ive used does this, except kubuntu
[10:34] <Voodoo_Vibe> !PSM
[10:34] <ubotu> Voodoo_Vibe: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:35] <Voodoo_Vibe> ubotu: : P
[10:35] <ubotu> Voodoo_Vibe: What?
[10:35] <vblanton> mike-e: yes
[10:35] <_osh_> hugelmopf: Yes, I know of ctrl-tab. I would prefer to use that for firefox though, as it is in windows (and gnome?). I'll manage though.
[10:35] <mike-e> does xfce run ok on kubuntu?
[10:35] <vblanton> pwolfe: does for me...
[10:35] <vblanton> mike-e: never tried
[10:36] <vblanton> ubotu: !3d
[10:36] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, vblanton
[10:36] <vblanton> what/?
[10:36] <pwolfe> odd, doesnt work on my end
[10:36] <vblanton> !3ddeskd
[10:36] <ubotu> vblanton: What?
[10:36] <vblanton> !3ddesk
[10:36] <ubotu> vblanton: I haven't a clue
[10:36] <vblanton> ...
[10:36] <vblanton> forget it
[10:36] <neighborlee> vblanton, hmm interesting
[10:36] <hugelmopf> vblanton: i don't have accelerated graphics, so 3ddesktop might not be for me?
[10:36] <vblanton> hugelmopf: nope
[10:36] <pwolfe> i can paste it into the url bar via a middle mouse click, but not the window itself.  its infuriating
[10:37] <vblanton> hugelmopf: need opengl capable card/drivers
[10:37] <vblanton> hugelmopf: 3ddesktop lets you switch workspaces in 3d :)
[10:37] <neighborlee> well to be frank..the lgpl nature of gnome/gtk always appealed to me..yeah I know im a colorful individual but....but at this juncture im not sure i care anymore...ill take my chances with kde/qt I think
[10:37] <vblanton> neighborlee: take a swig. run a livecd and enjoy
[10:38] <vblanton> neighborlee: you may just be washed away :)
[10:38] <neighborlee> if I was going to install i'd just do it..actually I have kubuntu iso already burned so ...
[10:38] <neighborlee> lol
[10:38] <hugelmopf> pwolfe: mmb-clicking twice on the tab bar?
[10:39] <hugelmopf> neighborlee: what is good about lgpl-ness?
[10:39] <vblanton> neighborlee: don't forget to install all the extra gstreamer plugins for full mp3 playback and whatnot (and enabling the extra repos)
[10:39] <neighborlee> anyway im not sure I saw a answer on this..is kubuntu following suit with most ubuntu things..im mainly concernd that 'umount' is fully automatic
[10:39] <vblanton> neighborlee: KDE is gpl/lgpl
[10:39] <neighborlee> no i mean for commercial use
[10:39] <vblanton> hugelmopf: licensing
[10:39] <vblanton> im outa here. goodnight everyone
[10:39] <neighborlee> nn
[10:40] <hugelmopf> vblanton: but gpl is a lot better for the user then lgpl, as long as you don't want to abuse it yourself ;-)
[10:40] <pwolfe> hugelmopf: that doesnt work
[10:40] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, I suppose..but it might tend to limit use of the WM to only those that can afford it/want to use it for commercial gain
[10:41] <pwolfe> i used to be able to highlight any url and middle mouse click anywhere in a browser window, instead of on the url bar and having hundreds of crap links in that drop down
[10:41] <neighborlee> which by definition puts that WM in a nonOSS light as it were...I guess it depends how you look at it ?
[10:41] <hugelmopf> it is not against commercial use! you just have to provide back whatever you do with it.
[10:41] <neighborlee> but all that doesn't matter so much anymore I GUESS..im not happy with gnome's attitude
[10:41] <neighborlee> yeah i know
[10:42] <neighborlee> wait
[10:42] <hugelmopf> pwolfe: have you tried out the configuration options of konqueror ("web behaviour")?
[10:42] <neighborlee> mabye I misinterpreted something here...so use qt for commercial use..its free long as you make your source available ?
[10:42] <pwolfe> i'll try that now, but would that help firefox as well?
[10:42] <hugelmopf> right. at least the linux version. the windows version will be like that in future
[10:43] <hugelmopf> i am not using firefox regularly
[10:43] <hugelmopf> can't tell you
[10:43] <hugelmopf> i thought it should already do the same as under ubuntu
[10:43] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, well then that does kinda make it ugly for proprietary use..not that thats a bad thing as it were but it can have ramifications..ie: nviida/ati for example
[10:43] <pwolfe> yeah that oprion is correctly set in konq
[10:43] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, course the list could be endless
[10:44] <hugelmopf> neighborlee: i was only arguing your point of what should be preferred, and not what companies like.
[10:44] <neighborlee> I saw a article online once with someone suggesting kde should just use its own and get away from qt...are they considering that or is it   vaporware idea wize ;-)
[10:45] <pwolfe> would be hard to not copt qt's ideas though after using thiers for so long, potential legal nightmare
[10:46] <neighborlee> ah
[10:46] <pwolfe> i mean thats just my 2 cents
[10:46] <neighborlee> np
[10:46] <hugelmopf> neighborlee: why should they? Trolltech is doing everything right...
[10:47] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, thats subjective
[10:48] <neighborlee> as I mentoined earlier..I tend to be an idealist when it comes to the gnome paradigm
[10:48] <pwolfe> are there any other good icon sites for linux (kde) besides kde-look? , cant find anything i like
[10:49] <neighborlee> http://www.buzzard.me.uk/jonathan/kde-icons.html
[10:50] <pwolfe> thanks
[10:50] <neighborlee> http://www.everaldo.com/crystal.html < this one?
[10:50] <neighborlee> sure np
[10:50] <neighborlee> crystal is gorgeous ;-)
[10:50] <pwolfe> yeah im just getting tired of it
[10:51] <pwolfe> i had been using h30-doa for a while too
[10:51] <neighborlee> ah ok
[10:51] <kr1pto> Anyone know why running Evolution on Breezy doesn't work with kde?
[10:51] <pwolfe> guess I'll just have to nite the bullet and make my own theme
[10:51] <pwolfe> *bite
[10:51] <neighborlee> kr1pto, why what errors
[10:51] <neighborlee> pwolfe, sounds intriguing
[10:52] <neighborlee> you go! ;-)
[10:52] <kr1pto> Takes Forever to start, (upwards of 5 minutes) and the evolution connector doesn't allow me to select next after I enter a user name
[10:52] <pwolfe> oh i dont mean make the graphics, just pull em down and go to the file associations pane and changeem one by one
[10:52] <hugelmopf> dapper flight2 is out... has anybody tried the torrent yet? i don't get anything...
[10:54] <kr1pto> If I run Evolution from the commandline I only see "adding hook target 'source'"
[10:55] <neighborlee> is kubuntu going to follow 100% the dapper base or if not where are they going to make diversions ?
[10:55] <neighborlee> kr1pto, odd
[10:55] <neighborlee> kr1pto, I think your best result would be obtained from: irc.gnome.org (.com?) and #evolution
[10:56] <neighborlee> LOL
[10:56] <Vincent> how can I launch beagled at login ?
[10:56] <kr1pto> neighborlee: But this appears to be a Ubuntu issue with kde. It used to work with Gnome
[10:56] <neighborlee> no not you kr1pto ..I mean this thread wit linus/gnome thing...OMGosh
[10:56] <neighborlee> woah nellie
[10:57] <kr1pto> I also get "(evolution:18234): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_gc_set_foreground: assertion `GDK_IS_GC (gc)' failed"
[10:58] <kr1pto> neighborlee: *lol* I don't really care what Linus says really.. he's a kernel guy and not a ui person...
[10:58] <neighborlee> well
[10:58] <neighborlee> he makes valid points though..hes a smart cookie and in most cases likely  dead on when it comes to whatever linux
[10:59] <neighborlee> from what ive read  of his comments anyway..he has his eye on the 'ballpark' not the dugout
[11:00] <kr1pto> neighborlee: The only thing I really care about is getting a distro to work well for our users, in this case we need a decent mail client that talks to Evolution.. KDE is pretty fast so I like to use it for my desktop.. Evolution has an exchange connector.. therefor I need to get the both working :)
[11:01] <neighborlee> yeah indeed
[11:01] <neighborlee> kde is faster than gnome in some respects clearly
[11:02] <neighborlee> for example in gnome if I resize the gnome panel to make it smaller ..when the desktop restarts it draws slowly across till its done...kde's is just there boom....I dont know if that means kde is faster but at least its the perceived effect
[11:02] <rama> Speaking of which, irssi has a weird behaviour right after installation, here...
[11:03] <neighborlee> hm
[11:03] <hugelmopf> kr1pto: is the exchange support of kontact still not useable?
[11:03] <kr1pto> neighborlee: Obviously faster in this case is subjective :) I find kde pretty darn quick.. :)
[11:04] <kr1pto> hugelmopf: I'm new to Ubuntu and kde frankly.. I will check that out.
[11:04] <hugelmopf> kr1pto: there is a feature matrix under http://kontact.org/groupwareservers.php
[11:04] <neighborlee> kr1pto, same here
[11:04] <hugelmopf> kr1pto: but i don't have any personal experience with exchange servers
[11:04] <hugelmopf> i just like kontact a lot.
[11:05] <neighborlee> yeah i was going to say.kontact likely is default for kubuntu right ?
[11:05] <hugelmopf> right.
[11:05] <_osh_> Hmm, strange error, only seen in kde3.5 so far. When I launch OO.o from konqueror it shows the splash-screen but doesn't seem to start the application. I don't get the file I clicked on opened anyway. And no OO.o window anywhere. :-(
[11:05] <kr1pto> hugelmopf: heh.. the only experience I have with exchange is hating the crap out of it.. but since most companies use it.. Im stuck.
[11:05] <neighborlee> yeah kontact is nice...I think I like the UI better frankly
[11:05] <neighborlee> maybe i'm  a closet-kde user ? <G>
[11:06] <hugelmopf> _osh_: works for me.
[11:07] <_osh_> hugelmopf: Yes, well, it did work for me too about 30 min ago. However I remember seeing the same thing on another box (my fried laptop) that I upgraded from kde3.4 to kde3.5 some weeks ago.
[11:07] <hugelmopf> _osh_: i am on kde 3.5, in case you wonder.
[11:08] <_osh_> Funny thing is that I haven't changed anything on this machine that I know of. I've just opened and closed opendocument files.
[11:08] <_osh_> hugelmopf: Let's hope you don't see the same problems I do then.
[11:08] <kr1pto> hmm.. Kontact that Ihave on breezy doesn't seem to support exchange.. I must be doing something wrong.
[11:11] <hugelmopf> kr1pto: here seems to be a very recent howto: http://alex.mamchenkov.net/
[11:13] <kr1pto> Thanks, am checking it out now
[11:22] <arrinmurr> hmm.. is it just me or is the kpdf from kubuntu.org KDE 3.5 repository somehow broken?
[11:22] <hugelmopf> arrinmurr: same for everybody. :-(
[11:23] <arrinmurr> hugelmopf: ok. just downgraded to the latest official kubuntu one. seems to work fine now.
[11:23] <Voodoo_Vibe> does anyone know if there are any guitar tuners for Linux??
[11:24] <bimberi> Voodoo_Vibe: gtkguitune :)
[11:25] <neighborlee> http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Multimedia/Guitar/ < alternatively if you dont find that usefull
[11:25] <_osh_> Is "arts" a good choice for playing sound in kubuntu? Isn't alsa the better choice? I have sound on this box except when playing mpegs. Which is slightly annoying.
[11:25] <Voodoo_Vibe> bimberi: Thanx!!
[11:25] <bimberi> Voodoo_Vibe: np :)
[11:25] <neighborlee> _osh_, I thought everyone used alsa by now..
[11:26] <hugelmopf> _osh_: arts uses ALSA
[11:26] <neighborlee> ah
[11:26] <hugelmopf> but alsa will only let one application access the sound device at a time, so arts (as well as esd under gnome) is something in between applications and alsa
[11:27] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, ouch I had no idea
[11:27] <_osh_> neighborlee: Ah. Still. Sound in KDE but not in kaffeine-xine... :-/
[11:28] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, major ouch..how on earth did alsa become a standard then for linux o_0...that seems wrong somehow at least on that basis
[11:28] <neighborlee> _osh_, hm
[11:28] <hugelmopf> neighborlee: well, that's the modular linux way
[11:28] <hugelmopf> errr... unix even
[11:29] <hugelmopf> _osh_: i don't use it, but i think you would have to specify arts as audio-backend somewhere
[11:29] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, what are you getting at..
[11:29] <Voodoo_Vibe> bimberi: cant get my recording input to work
[11:29] <neighborlee> _osh_, I find that odd at best..kaffeine is a kde app..dont they test these kinds of things ?
[11:30] <_osh_> hugelmopf: I thought I tried that. Will try again.
[11:30] <neighborlee> too much code and to little time i suppose..stuff happens
[11:30] <Voodoo_Vibe> bimberi: got it!
[11:31] <bimberi> Voodoo_Vibe: phew, i wouldn't have been much help - only knew of its existence :)
[11:32] <hugelmopf> neighborlee: i agree, for audio and video, kubuntu is not set up well enough yet.
[11:32] <neighborlee> ah
[11:33] <neighborlee> well..its still newish so i suppose thats a fair critique
[11:33] <neighborlee> maybe i'd better wait a bit then...but im sure it willl continue to   succede especially if wind gets out much about that /. linus/gnome article <wink>
[11:33] <hugelmopf> it's not only kubuntu... kde is missing a good video player. what do i want playlists etc. in a video player? it needs to just work, without much around it.
[11:34] <Kibou> you don't need arts..if you have a shitty soundcard that doesn't do hardware mixing you can use alsa's own software mixer dmix
[11:35] <_networker> hello
[11:35] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, agreed
[11:35] <neighborlee> Kibou, ah
[11:35] <neighborlee> good point i'd forgottren about the whole hardware mixing thing..so the kernel then handles that ?
[11:36] <neighborlee> kernel driver as in I mean
[11:36] <neighborlee> mine is sblive
[11:36] <Coolio10> is there anything like Apple GarageBand for kubuntu?
[11:36] <_networker> coolio: audacity?
[11:37] <Coolio10> i mean something taht lets you use already set loops to make your own music
[11:40] <Kibou> the sb live has hardware mixing.. so you don't need arts, esd or dmix
[11:40] <Kibou> just use alsa directly
[11:43] <_osh_> Annoying. Sound works, just not in kaffeine. And loading things from konq works too, just not opendocuments. This is too weird for me. I'm off to bed.
[11:45] <Mabus06> Can anyone help me to get Kopete to work with sending/recieving webcam?
[11:45] <neighborlee> Kibou, yeah
[11:45] <Mabus06> It can do either, but not both at the same time.
[11:45] <_osh_> Perhaps I just need the "evil" codecs...
[11:46] <neighborlee> _osh_, oh the thought!! (eww) ;-)
[11:46] <neighborlee> I try to use ogg/theora whenever possible ;-)
[11:47] <neighborlee> frankly I dont own one single mp3 so its not a struggle for me....
[11:51] <eaf> hi?
[11:51] <eaf> Can anyone help me with package repositoryes?
[12:00] <nalioth> ubotu: tell eaf about repos