[12:54] <jelkner> JaneW: hi jane
[12:54] <jelkner> i just sent you an email
[12:55] <ogra> seems Jane is ill ....
[12:56] <ogra> jelkner, so we'll have to decide if we run without her or postpone, but lets wait until the others are here to decide that...
[12:57] <jelkner> ogra: ok
[12:57] <lucasvo> the edubuntu-fr team is arriving
[12:58] <ogra> yeah :)
[12:58] <lucasvo> or better say edubuntu-ch
[12:58] <ogra> thats one reason why i wouldnt like to postpone :)
[12:58] <ogra> s/one/the/
[12:59] <ogra> no flint ? 
[01:01] <jelkner> he's probably still sleeping
[01:01] <ogra> oh... 
[01:01] <kjcole> Hullo all.  This morning it's my connection that's a little shakey, and so perhaps instead of Jane dropping out it will be me.
[01:01] <jelkner> ahh, here he is
[01:02] <ogra> seems Jane has some stomach problems, so we have to decide if we want to run the meeting without her or postpone it
[01:02] <flint> you are bad people to have a meeting this early it is 12 degrees F in Montpelier
[01:02] <ogra> since i invited the edubuntu-fr guys to jin us today i would prefer to not postpone ...
[01:02] <ogra> *join
[01:02] <kjcole> Flint, ah how I miss the GWN (Great White North)... NOT!
[01:03] <flint> well Ollie, I am actually making progress up here, (http://www.flint.com/home) mostly javascript...
[01:03] <jelkner> ok, less chatter, more focus
[01:03] <jelkner> what is the agenda
[01:03] <jelkner> ?
[01:04] <flint> normally Ollie talks tech and then elkner makes vague promises of documentation.
[01:04] <ogra> our general one on MeetingNotes plus introduction of the edubuntu-fr
[01:04] <ogra> team
[01:04] <claude> who is from edubuntu-fr ?
[01:04] <ogra> claude, you arent ? 
[01:04] <claude> i just joined the mailing list this week
[01:05] <jelkner> why don't we start with edubuntu-fr?
[01:05] <ogra> i saw that manu_ubu was here this morning, but he seems not to be around now
[01:05] <aya_> hi all
[01:05] <claude> ogra: no, he told he couldn't come
[01:05] <flint> aya_, hi there!  Good morning...
[01:05] <ogra> could someone of the french speaking guys look if he is in #ubuntu-fr and invite him ? 
[01:05] <ogra> claude, ah, k
[01:06] <ogra> so we'll have to do that on the mailing list then
[01:06] <ogra> fine, then lets jst go through the general items
[01:06] <ogra> yay, hi manu_ubu 
[01:06] <claude> hello manu
[01:06] <ogra> wondeful
[01:07] <manu_ubu> hello all
[01:07] <ogra> we were just talking about edubuntu-fr 
[01:07] <manu_ubu> sorry for late
[01:07] <kjcole> Roll?  Or unneccessary?
[01:07] <ogra> would you like to introduce the project a bit  ?
[01:07] <flint> kjcole, yes I want marmalade and butter on mine next to my coffee!
[01:09] <ogra> seems there was a edubuntu-fr project developed in parallel to us, they have a good bunch of documentation in french on http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/edubuntu/, made their own liveCD and have an own mailing list already
[01:10] <ogra> my idea was that we should coordinate the forces a bit to not duplicate work and efforts
[01:10] <ogra> hello ? anyone here ? 
[01:10] <manu_ubu> yes but the edubuntu-fr is little team for doc francophone
[01:11] <Yagisan> I've just arrived ogra
[01:11] <ogra> ah
[01:11] <manu_ubu> for the develop we not many 
[01:11] <ogra> i thought my line dropped
[01:11] <manu_ubu> developper
[01:11] <Yagisan> btw I may come and go, the riots are still going down here
[01:11] <manu_ubu> sorry but I am no easy speak english for me
[01:12] <ogra> manu_ubu mailed the list yesterday with an introduction mail  ...
[01:12] <claude> ogra: on what aspect would you like to coordinate ?
[01:13] <ogra> claude, our doc team is focussing on some stuff that might be worth to be translated into french for example ...
[01:13] <ogra> (thinking of the cookbook)
[01:13] <claude> yes, i'm interested in that
[01:13] <ogra> so it would be nice if there could some coordination go on ...
[01:14] <manu_ubu> we can tested edubuntu dapper and participe to traduction doc
[01:14] <claude> we talk with kjcole on ubuntu-doc ml
[01:14] <ogra> additionally there is no need for developing an own liveCD anymore ;) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/ just arrived ;)
[01:14] <claude> about cookbook format
[01:14] <manu_ubu> ogra:  super ;-)
[01:14] <flint> ogra, excellent!!!!
[01:15] <jelkner> yeah, ogra!
[01:15] <ogra> so caring for it being right in french would be nice from a technical point of view :)
[01:15] <Kamion> it's worth noting that those images won't actually work yet, so don't rush to download them - next build should be better
[01:15] <kjcole> ogra, congrats!
[01:15] <ogra> dont just grab it, it hs still a bug, the 0051214.1 version should be fine
[01:16] <ogra> or 20051215 .... whenever it arrives....
[01:16] <ogra> but its there :-D
[01:16] <mhz> hi all, I apologyze for being this late
[01:16] <Yagisan> no worries mhz
[01:16] <manu_ubu> can I use this liveCD for create us liveCD localized apllications on FR ?
[01:16] <jelkner> i will need to go soon, so is there anything you need me for?
[01:16] <ogra> mhz, edubuntu-cl, meet edubuntu-fr :)
[01:17] <kjcole> mhz, under discussion: merging efforts of the French team
[01:17] <claude> so first point : manu_ubu should keep in contact with official team to develop an official french LiveCD
[01:17] <Yagisan> mhz: basic intro, and ogra made a livecd so far
[01:17] <ogra> jelkner should we move the doc point to the top then ? 
[01:17] <jelkner> please
[01:17] <ogra> Yagisan, Kamion made it :) 
[01:17] <ogra> only with my packages ...
[01:17] <mhz> thanks ogra kjcole Yagisan for the update :)
[01:17] <jelkner> issues with the cookbook:
[01:17] <Yagisan> thanks Kaimon too :)
[01:18] <jelkner> 1. setting up on launchpad
[01:18] <ogra> jelkner has the stage ...
[01:18] <ogra> jelkner, thats rosetta ? 
[01:18] <jelkner> bzr?
[01:18] <jelkner> there is already an svn repository
[01:18] <jelkner> it is all too confusing
[01:18] <ogra> aha, ok ... i thought rosetta for translators
[01:19] <jelkner> we aren't ready for translators yet
[01:19] <flint> jelkner, Jeff, what kind of problems are you having setting up on launchpad?
[01:19] <jelkner> it is too much of a moving target
[01:19] <claude> ogra: launchpad is a set of tools
[01:19] <claude> rosetta is one of the tools
[01:19] <ogra> so you want to put it in a bzr archive to get rid f duplication ? 
[01:19] <mhz> kjcole: jelkner: my html is as good as my chineese :)  Is it ok if I use Moin and save pages as HTML ? (too messy?)
[01:19] <claude> my point is that cookbook should be in same format that official Docteam
[01:20] <claude> we then can use same procedures
[01:20] <kjcole> ogra, pre-rosetta.  History: I grabbed the tuxlab svn from Jean Jordaan (original author), not knowing there was an ubuntu svn.  converted to lore and bzr, and put it on my web server.
[01:20] <claude> same translation infrastructure
[01:20] <ogra> kjcole, do the contents differ much from the svn version thats already there ? 
[01:20] <claude> but i understand that kjcole has already done much work
[01:20] <flint> kjcole, what is the url for your and jeff's stuff kevin?
[01:20] <jelkner> while this is a cookbook, the best thing at present might be for kevin and i to setup a working environment and set of proceedure before others join the effort
[01:20] <kjcole> ogra, but i cannot get push to work.  I'm assuming if the branch were out on launchpad, "bzr push" would work.
[01:21] <jelkner> that is the number 1 issue
[01:21] <ogra> claude, note that launchpad will offer a supermirror based on bzr in the future ... so bzr would be better for  putting it there
[01:21] <jelkner> we need to remove the svn repository and create a bzr repository on launchpad that permits collaboration
[01:21] <claude> yes, i think Docteam will also migrate to bzr
[01:21] <ogra> yup, understood
[01:22] <claude> but the problem for me is not SVN or bzr
[01:22] <ogra> kjcole, feel free to ping me off meeting to sort the push stuff
[01:22] <jelkner> cool
[01:22] <jelkner> that's really all we have right now
[01:22] <kjcole> ogra, jerome sent mail to the list indicating unhappiness that we aren't basing off the ubuntu svn.  He saw enough differences.
[01:22] <ogra> ok, fine ... its progress :)
[01:23] <ogra> hmm, would have been nice if he snet it to the edubuntu list too ...
[01:23] <jelkner> kjcole: let's continue doing what we've been doing for now...
[01:23] <ogra> i for example dont read -doc
[01:23] <jelkner> take *all* existing versions and try to merge them
[01:23] <jelkner> as best we can
[01:23] <claude> the problem for me is : lore vs docbook
[01:23] <ogra> i think you guys want to do the work, so pick the tools you think are right ...
[01:23] <kjcole> jelkner, works for me.
[01:23] <jelkner> and discourage the creation of any new versions until we are ready
[01:24] <ogra> sounds good to me
[01:24] <jelkner> great, kevin and oliver will talk off line about bzr setup
[01:24] <jelkner> and then we'll move forward
[01:24] <jelkner> that closes the documentation item...
[01:24] <kjcole> claude, as I understood from several docteam gurus, they will convert to Docbook (or whatever else may come).
[01:24] <ogra> claude, whats that issue ? can you describe it a bit more for a non doccie ? 
[01:25] <flint> kjcole, wait a minute. what is the url where the source is currently loaded? 
[01:25] <claude> docteam has an infrastructure for packaging and translation based on DocBook
[01:25] <ogra> which also integrates with yelp, right ? 
[01:25] <claude> DocBook is a SGML based format specifically for documentation
[01:26] <claude> ogra: yes
[01:26] <flint> claude, lore is a documentation gizmo for python...
[01:26] <kjcole> flint, go to launchpad and search for cookbook.  It's a bzr branch,  so you'll  need bzr to play.
[01:26] <ogra> would it be possible to convert between the two formats ? 
[01:26] <claude> yes, i don't say that docbook is better tan lore
[01:26] <claude> i think we should coordinate with docteam choices
[01:27] <flint> claude, my feeling is lets get the dog dancing, and then get it in costume... :^)
[01:27] <claude> maybe for dapper+1 ?
[01:27] <jelkner> claude: i'm sure docbook is better than lore, if by "better" you mean more standard, more featureful, etc
[01:27] <jelkner> the problem is it is *much* more difficult to learn
[01:27] <ogra> the question is how does lore integrate with the current desktop and help structure 
[01:27] <jelkner> i agree with flint
[01:27] <kjcole> flint, specifically https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu.cookbook
[01:27] <jelkner> you can learn lore in about 5 minutes
[01:28] <jelkner> someone will be able to convert lore to docbook later
[01:28] <ogra> the important thing is that we can get it in a shippable format in the end ...
[01:28] <flint> kjcole, thanks kevin!!!
[01:28] <jelkner> in the mean time it will make collaboration much easier
[01:28] <ogra> which would be docbok as i understand ...
[01:28] <ogra> if its possible to convert between these two formats i see no issue
[01:28] <jelkner> expecting contributors to know docbook will effectively prevent contributions
[01:29] <jelkner> including from me
[01:29] <claude> ogra: if the conversion can be automated...
[01:29] <jelkner> so unless someone else steps forward and says "i know docbook and agree to teach everyone else"
[01:29] <ogra> the only thing is that the endproduct must be integratable in the desktop and the CD 
[01:29] <jelkner> then we can't use it now
[01:30] <jelkner> ogra: lore produces nice html very easily
[01:30] <claude> jelkner: i'm not an expert in Docbook, but i could give some help
[01:30] <ogra> so please investigate possibilitys to convert lore to docbook ...
[01:30] <ogra> jelkner, if all docs are in docbook, we shouldnt ship html ...
[01:30] <jelkner> ogra: lore is just an xhtml subset
[01:30] <jelkner> shouldn't be a problem
[01:30] <flint> claude, these guys are serious python fanatics, consider lore a passing perversion...
[01:30] <claude> lol
[01:31] <ogra> i donc care what you use during development, but the edn product should be integrateable
[01:31] <claude> my concern is about translation
[01:31] <kjcole> I had started learning docbook, but in previous IRC doc-team meetings I was told not to worry about markup, and just go with whatever.  Since Jeff's already savvy with Lore, that seemed logical.  (Plus as Jeff's mentioned, getting up to speed on Lore takes very little time or effort.)
[01:31] <jelkner> i'm the guilty party here (don't blame kevin)
[01:31] <flint> ogra, verily, and my understanding of lore is that this will be a necessary step.
[01:31] <claude> with docbook, we have scripts that generate .po for pushing into Rosetta
[01:32] <ogra> lest not discuss docbook vs lore, lets just see if we can get one to the other ...
[01:32] <flint> ogra, the conversion from lore to docbook is not going to be a unique problem :^)
[01:32] <jelkner> claude: how do we edit the text?
[01:32] <claude> text of docbook ?
[01:32] <jelkner> the cookbook
[01:32] <jelkner> i don't know docbook
[01:32] <claude> by hand :)
[01:32] <jelkner> then i can't do it
[01:33] <jelkner> so we need someone else to write the book
[01:33] <jelkner> that is my point
[01:33] <claude> there is editors, but no good one is open source for now
[01:33] <jelkner> the tool gets in the way
[01:33] <jelkner> books on docbook are huge
[01:33] <ogra> jelkner, you dont need to write it in docbook ...
[01:33] <ogra> but please look around for a conversion tool
[01:34] <jelkner> we would spend what limited volunteer time we have *trying* to learn the tool
[01:34] <claude> jelkner: i understand your position
[01:34] <ogra> i think the point this boils down to is only getting the two wrlds together 
[01:34] <jelkner> please let us continue the way we have been
[01:34] <flint> ogra, I will look around for a conversion tool.  It is a properly perverse task..
[01:34] <ogra> flint, might be ....
[01:34] <jelkner> flint: it shouldn't be hard
[01:35] <claude> we must still talk with jsgotangco about that
[01:35] <jelkner> lore already produces docbook output
[01:35] <ogra> but imho its oly a parser that sucks in one and spits out the other 
[01:35] <jelkner> ogra: yes
[01:35] <jelkner> it really shouldn't be a problem
[01:35] <flint> jelkner, jeff you write, I worry about docbook.
[01:35] <jelkner> flint: thanks!
[01:36] <ogra> so then its fine ... just produce docbook output after you commit changes and the docbook guys can run their .po script on it ...
[01:36] <flint> I will be right back...
[01:36] <ogra> i dont really see the prob here
[01:37] <claude> ok, let's try convert the actual version
[01:37] <claude> put it somewhere in the bzr branch
[01:37] <claude> we'll see what we can do with it
[01:37] <ogra> i think bzr even has hooks where you could put a python plugin that converts automatically after each commit
[01:38] <ogra> so its merely just a technical prob 
[01:38] <ogra> and thats easy to solve ...
[01:38] <jelkner> ok, i need to run
[01:38] <ogra> thanks jelkner 
[01:38] <jelkner> i'll let kevin fill me in
[01:38] <jelkner> see you all next week!
[01:39] <claude> see you
[01:39] <ogra> ciao :)
[01:39] <kjcole> jelkner, you wish.
[01:39] <manu_ubu> see you
[01:39] <ogra> manu_ubu, what would you use for a fr translated version ? 
[01:40] <claude> i think we should try if possible to use rosetta (manu_ubu ?) 
[01:40] <manu_ubu> oh the transaltion it s juste for the livecd-fr for tool
[01:40] <manu_ubu> yes use rosetta
[01:40] <manu_ubu> if possible
[01:40] <claude> i have the experience of trying to coordinate a translation "by hand"
[01:40] <ogra> ah, thats fine then ...
[01:40] <claude> never again :-(
[01:40] <mhz> .oO(claude will use Moin :D ... sorry I couldn't help it)
[01:40] <ogra> mhz, :P
[01:41] <ogra> ok, any other doc related issues ? 
[01:41] <mhz> yes!
[01:41] <mhz> do we consider 'doc' the wiki pages?
[01:41] <ogra> go ahead then (we switched the order today)
[01:41] <ogra> sure
[01:42] <mhz> then How will we handle some pages needing to be translated?
[01:42] <ogra> we consider doc the cookbook, any other documentation as well as the wiki
[01:42] <mhz> DefaultEnglish/OtherLanguages?  or edubuntu.ubuntu-cl.org/SpanishPages?
[01:42] <claude> i think it's the task of each loco team
[01:43] <claude> we do so for Ubuntu Wiki
[01:43] <ogra> yes, and since also ubuntu-fr has a edubuntu section, that sounds reasonable
[01:43] <manu_ubu> for the fr doc , we have local wik
[01:43] <flint> ok back...
[01:43] <mhz> claude: I agree, as long as US/EN/AU etc, do use same /data and Latinamerican people use one /data too
[01:43] <ogra> i'll ping the german community if someone can show up next week as welll
[01:44] <ogra> i know ther germans also have made some own docs ...
[01:44] <claude> mhz: yes, that must be language oriented, not country
[01:44] <mhz> ogra: indeed, ok then. solved?
[01:44] <ogra> my concern here is that its not only translations, but every group brews theor own docs ...
[01:45] <mhz> yup
[01:45] <ogra> and we should find a way that every group knows what the other is doing so we dont duplicate work 
[01:45] <manu_ubu> yes
[01:46] <ogra> since there might be valuable docs in german the fr or es guys dont even know about
[01:46] <flint> ogra, the trick with writting docs is to have a structure to the book.  If the structure is common then all is well.
[01:46] <mhz> and then we have not only LoCo translations double work but also another potential problem... MANY LoCo Teams consider themselves LoCo teams and registered diff domains
[01:46] <ogra> flint, there are different wikis on different loco servers 
[01:46] <ogra> and different doc sections as well
[01:46] <mhz> flint: ogra: manu_ubu: the good thing about wikis is we can use InterWiki feature
[01:47] <ogra> assuming all use moin, right ? 
[01:47] <mhz> hehehe, i guess it works for any wiki
[01:47] <mhz> not sure
[01:47] <ogra> ah, great
[01:47] <manu_ubu> no moin code on wiki fr
[01:47] <ogra> same in germany i think
[01:48] <mhz> we gotta find ou about interwiki then, it is extremely useful for the cases being discussed
[01:48] <ogra> mhz, would you take the task to check if we can do interwiki stuff between fr, de, es and the main wiki ? 
[01:48] <mhz> yup
[01:48] <mhz> sure
[01:48] <ogra> thanks :)
[01:48] <mhz> i 'own it' :D
[01:48] <ogra> hehe
[01:49] <flint> mhz, interwiki, never heard that one... sounds interesting.
[01:49] <ogra> more doc related tasks ? 
[01:49] <mhz> flint it is indeed, very much
[01:49] <manu_ubu> use single wiki is good ide but no easy 
[01:50] <ogra> manu_ubu, not a single one but getting a relation running between the ones we have ...
[01:50] <ogra> they all have grown on their own it seems ...
[01:50] <manu_ubu> ah sorry ..my bad english :/
[01:50] <flint> manu_ubu, my feeling is that getting the content in many languages available is the first step...
[01:51] <ogra> flint, yes, but also find out who has which content the others dont have and just translate it to your lang
[01:51] <ogra> ok, we're running out of time ...
[01:51] <ogra> mhz at the end we have community on the agenda
[01:51] <mhz> yup
[01:52] <ogra> so let me give a quick tech update ...
[01:52] <mhz> oh, please!
[01:52] <ogra> as you all saw, the liveCD is on its way 
[01:52] <kjcole> ogra, launchpad or a similar registry would be a nice central place for translation teams to point each other.
[01:52] <ogra> thats a major step :)
[01:52] <kjcole> ogra, sorry. move on.
[01:52] <ogra> kjcole++
[01:52] <manu_ubu> ogra: ok
[01:52] <flint> well from a community perspective, I miss JaneW!
[01:52] <ogra> lest do that via mailing list
[01:53] <ogra> flint, yes, me too ...
[01:53] <ogra> ltsp:
[01:53] <ogra> flint will love that....
[01:53] <ogra> themeable ldm is in dapper ;)
[01:53] <ogra> the multiarch patch from Yagisan too 
[01:53] <Yagisan> :-D
[01:53] <flint> ogra, thank the heavens!!!
[01:53] <ogra> sound support is done on my side and at mdz for review
[01:54] <ogra> i guess we'll get it if he comes backl from holiday
[01:54] <flint> ogra, do I dare mention removable storage?  
[01:54] <ogra> the install cd is in pretty good shape for the early time of the release schedule ...
[01:54] <flint> mdz went to brazil eh
[01:55] <ogra> but there is a bug i havent found yet that prevents nfs mounting from working :(
[01:55] <flint> I never liked nfs...
[01:55] <ogra> so ltsp is useless, but if you have capacity to test it, please do so ...
[01:55] <ogra> as well as the next liveCD build ...
[01:56] <flint> my testing facility should be up by xmas
[01:56] <ogra> we need as many testers as we can get , so if yomeone has the bandwith and some HW to test on, please, please, please do
[01:56] <ogra> most problematic again is powerpc
[01:56] <Yagisan> I hope qemu has matured enough so I can add powerpc on amd64/i386 to finish off the multiarch.
[01:56] <ogra> (i'm still waiting on one to be shipped)
[01:57] <ogra> flint, on the local device front there was not much progress yet ...
[01:57] <irvin> did i make it? crappy dial-up
[01:57] <flint> my powerpc platform is locked in a sea container
[01:57] <ogra> but due to the fact that most of my other specs are done, i'll concentrate on it now
[01:58] <manu_ubu> ogra: if you need testing on ppc, i can help because i have many machine apple
[01:58] <kjcole> irvin, you *seem* to be here... ;-)
[01:58] <flint> ogra, ollie that is excellent news, if i can help email me.
[01:58] <mhz> ogra: any design or ideal procedure steps to follow?
[01:58] <mhz> (in the wiki?)
[01:58] <mhz> to test i mean
[01:58] <ogra> note that there is also a distro sprint at end of january where mark locks us all in a room to do concentrated work ...
[01:59] <ogra> mhz, dholbach has set up a testing plan i need to enhance for edubuntu, i'll mail the list
[01:59] <ogra> manu_ubu, wonderful !!
[01:59] <mhz> ogra: thankz
[01:59] <claude> i have to leave now, bye
[01:59] <flint> ogra, Mark does not have the same Sadisim as JaneW... :^)
[01:59] <manu_ubu> bye claude
[01:59] <ogra> ciao claude 
[01:59] <flint> claude, thanks for comming!!!
[01:59] <claude> :)
[01:59] <ogra> flint, she'll be there too i suspect ;)
[02:00] <kjcole> Speaking of sprints, any of you coming to PyCon in TX? It may be an opportunity for Edubuntu folks to do some face-to-face work.
[02:00] <ogra> ah, and student control panel was adopted by a gentoo guy who made it work wioth classic ltsp ... (as a side note)
[02:00] <flint> kjcole, ...all my ex's live in texas...
[02:01] <ogra> ok, tech update done ...
[02:01] <ogra> anything from the artwork side ? 
[02:01] <mhz> ogra: gentoo guy? wow, then you made nice code!
[02:01] <kjcole> mhz, I feel the same about stuff taking place far south of here.  Especially in colder weather.
[02:01] <mhz> kjcole: hehehe
[02:02] <mhz> ogra: yes
[02:02] <ogra> no artwork updtate ? 
[02:02] <ogra> ah
[02:02] <ogra> shoot then, we are late
[02:02] <mhz> I sent an email a few minutes ago the list
[02:02] <flint> ogra, ars gratia artis...
[02:02] <mhz> no need to shoot
[02:02] <ogra> oki... so we can discuss it on the list ? 
[02:02] <mhz> yup
[02:02] <ogra> great ...
[02:02] <ogra> so then there is only community left
[02:03] <mhz> yup
[02:03] <kjcole> ogra, and community issues on the list too right?  
[02:03] <mhz> but we could also use the list if we need to close 
[02:03] <flint> the live iso is the big news today...
[02:03] <ogra> kjcole, if its quick, we can do it here now ...
[02:03] <ogra> else lets resort to the list ... i think the a11y team wants the room soon
[02:04] <ogra> so all to long to discuss now ? 
[02:04] <mhz> ogra: ok, then how can we deal with LoCo teams (self called) who register country domains not ubuntu-country? If we have edubuntu loco teams, we'll need their help to host
[02:05] <flint> mhz, edubuntu and ubuntu locos should be the same IMHO...
[02:05] <ogra> hmm thats something we hould coordinate ith smurf and the community council i guess
[02:05] <ogra> flint++
[02:05] <mhz> ogra: okis
[02:05] <manu_ubu> Sorry, I can't stay on channel, bye
[02:05] <mhz> flint: 'should' but in reality are not.
[02:05] <ogra> edubuntu locos should work with the ubuntu locos at least
[02:05] <mhz> bye manu_ubu 
[02:05] <kjcole> Noooo! Not the CC!  ;-)  Been there, done that.
[02:05] <ogra> bye manu_ubu, thanks for coming :)
[02:06] <manu_ubu> bye
[02:06] <ogra> kjcole, whats wrong with that ? 
[02:06] <flint> kjcole, and if you are not good you will have to go back... :^)
[02:06] <ogra> kjcole, you dont need to bring up everything at the CC
[02:06] <ogra> if you have a loco around, just work with them and make a edubuntu loco ...
[02:07] <mhz> indeed
[02:07] <ogra> the CC is only needed for the initial creation and to solve issues the loco cant solve itself
[02:07] <flint> and if there is not a loco around include ubuntu within the edubuntu community.
[02:07] <ogra> *** sidenews from -devel: <Kamion> ogra: Edubuntu live ready for testing ***
[02:08] <mhz> wow!!
[02:08] <ogra> so GRAB IT !!!
[02:08] <Yagisan> ogra: torrent ?
[02:08] <ogra> flint, exactly
[02:08] <ogra> Yagisan, no idea if its seeded ...
[02:08] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20051214.1/
[02:08] <flint> ogra, you said tomorrows build would be better for the live or is today OK?
[02:09] <ogra> but there is a torrent file
[02:09] <\sh> Yagisan: check tracker.ubuntu.com:6969
[02:09] <kjcole> ogra, with the LoCo naming issues brought up at CC, things sounded settled, but I'm not sure they are.  But that's another issue, for another place and time.
[02:09] <ogra> flint, thats the one you can test :)
[02:09] <\sh> sorry torrent.ubuntu.com:6969
[02:09] <ogra> (the url above)
[02:09] <Yagisan> thanks
[02:10] <ogra> kjcole, yes, and something we cant solve in a edubuntu meeting ... i fear thats a CC thing still
[02:11] <ogra> ok then, lets close the meeting and move general chatter over to #edubuntu ....
[02:11] <mhz> okis and ML
[02:11] <kjcole> Done.
[02:11] <ogra> thanks all for coming :)
[02:11] <flint> Yagisan, there are iso.torrents listed on the page...
[02:11] <ogra> meeting adoujned
[02:11] <mhz> thanks ograW :D
[02:11] <ogra> lol
[02:11] <aya_> bye all :)
[02:11] <flint> Ok I move we adjourn so I can get a cup of coffee, anyone second this motion?
[02:11] <mhz> bye
[02:12] <mhz> me!!!
[02:12] <ogra> i'll write up the notes on the wikipage as usual
[02:12] <Yagisan> bye all. See you in #edubuntu in a few minutes
[02:12] <flint> ogra, thanks ah... coffee!!!!
[02:12] <ogra> yeah, coffee :)
[02:14] <jsgotangco> done with meeting?
[02:16] <ogra> yup
[02:16] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: yep -> #edubuntu
[02:16] <Yagisan> damm, too slow
[03:11] <klepas> drat
[03:11] <klepas> missed the meeting =\
[03:13] <ogra> klepas, i'll put the notes up during the day and there are the logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[03:15] <klepas> ogra: thank you
[03:21] <klepas> ogra: any chance of having an art meeting?
[03:22] <ogra> separately ? 
[03:23] <klepas> what do you mean separately?
[03:23] <ogra> do you mean for edubuntu or for the art team ? 
[03:23] <klepas> i mean, here, with all of the art teams
[03:23] <ogra> why not .. start organizing one :)
[03:25] <klepas> ogra: i've tried
[03:25] <klepas> twice now
[03:25] <klepas> and nothing came of it :(
[03:25] <klepas> would you be able to... support the motion for an art gathering here>
[03:26] <klepas> *?
[03:26] <ogra> i could support it, but i'm horribly busy ....
[03:26] <ogra> probably jdub could jump in
[03:27] <klepas> i'll catch jdub on #slug
[03:27] <klepas> but yea, it just needs a push
[03:28] <klepas> and having it posted on the fridge would be lovely
[03:59] <flint> later...