[12:03] <\sh> minghua: it's synced [12:04] crimsun: and if not, how can I check if it's sitting in NEW or not? [12:04] minghua: oh, that answers the question then. Nevermind. :) [12:04] aha [12:04] m4_define([_AM_PYTHON_INTERPRETER_LIST] , [12:04] [python python2 python2.3 python2.2 python2.1 python2.0 python1.6 python1.5] ) [12:04] that's it, my autoconf was outdated I guess [12:05] <\sh> minghua: there is something wrong with the package.. [12:05] or aclocal, rather [12:05] \sh: just a ftbfs, debdiff provided. I'm uploading. [12:06] <\sh> crimsun: it's all the time the same with those packages [12:06] yep === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:\sh] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | How To Track Merge Status -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | Grab your merge here: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new | sign up for ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com now! === Trashcan [n=matt@ip70-176-253-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:07] minghua: just as an aside, the override doesn't need to be installed since the font path has changed [12:09] crimsun: you are right, I missed that [12:10] crimsun: I'll remember to patch that if I prepare another upload :-) [12:12] minghua: done [12:12] crimsun: thank you [12:12] good night everybody [12:13] bye dholbach [12:14] dholbach: good night === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] night daniel [12:21] lifeless: we need a Build-Depends on swig I think [12:22] azeem: makes sense [12:22] pbuilder is nearly bootstrapped [12:22] lifeless: and I think if we have a generic python-opensync package, we also need to Build-Depends on python [12:22] dh_python aborts otherwise [12:23] meep. [12:23] you can pass it a specific version, but not sure what that means for the generic package [12:23] does not pythonx.y-dev pull in python ? [12:23] nope [12:23] nuts [12:23] ok. [12:23] lets do 2.4 [12:23] ok [12:29] lifeless: drat, we need python in any case [12:30] my $python = 'python'; [12:30] my $python_version = `$python -V 2>&1`; === macgyver2 [n=eric@pdpc/supporter/student/macgyver2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] azeem: fair enough [12:32] head debian/control [12:32] Source: opensync [12:32] Section: libs [12:32] Priority: optional [12:32] Maintainer: Robert Collins [12:32] Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), libglib2.0-dev, libsqlite3-dev, libxml2-dev, check, python2.4, python2.4-dev, swig [12:32] Standards-Version: 3.6.2 === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] lifeless: sorry, I meant we really need the `python' package, not `python2.4'. The latter is dragged in by python2.4-dev [12:36] azeem: python2.4 provide python === loogaroo [n=manuel@u-124-094.adsl.univie.ac.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] ah [12:36] as a binary I mean [12:36] via alternatives [12:37] hey loogaroo :) [12:37] lifeless: I wonder why it didn't build then [12:37] hi all :) [12:39] right, that should be the dbg package fixed [12:39] silly me, copied the borked sample packages compat rule :[ [12:41] lifeless: I just tried again in my unstable chroot, and there's no /usr/bin/python there. Maybe it's different in breezy/dapper? [12:41] is python2.4 installed ? [12:41] check update-alternatives [12:42] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Oct 22 14:03 /usr/bin/python -> python2.4* [12:42] this is on breezy, it's not using alternatives [12:42] oh, ah. I see [12:42] there's no python alternative in the unstable chroot either [12:42] if its not using alternatives [12:42] then its because of the (IMO) broken python version handling [12:42] I don't think python uses alternatives for /usr/bin/python [12:43] when, oh WHEN will debian transition === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] so, guess we have to depend on python literally as you say [12:43] nighthawk~/src/cvs/opensync-debian$ grep alternatives /var/lib/dpkg/info/python2.4.postinst [12:43] on sid it's symlinked to /usr/bin/python2.3 [12:43] update-alternatives --remove python /usr/bin/python2.4 || true [12:43] I wonder if we can pass an appropriate option to configure to still get 2.4 [12:44] (I don't wan to try and support 2.3 bindings [12:44] (its getting too old these days [12:44] yay [12:44] hrm [12:44] we have stripped symbols [12:44] I do love debhelper. [12:44] <\sh> lifeless: error message? check makefile.am or something like this for occurances to python2.3 [12:45] I think we're fine if we just add the python pseudo package to Build-Depends and nuke python-opensync [12:45] it's really dh_python sillyness that requires the formerI think [12:45] pushing [12:45] right, now for the stub python package === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-072-116.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:50] which is still being stubbon [12:50] the package dir is made, but is empty :[ === McFergus [n=frg@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:53] built fine now [12:55] this also fixed the issue with exporting PYTHON [12:56] sweet [12:56] can you recommend a good sample package that does a stub python-module ? [12:57] this is shitting me :[ [12:57] I don't understand the efforts put on this BetterCJKSupport thing === ajmitch returns [12:57] lifeless: I try to stay clear from this python madness, although I maintain two or three python packages/modules myself [12:57] but they are probably totally illegal [12:58] azeem: ;) [12:58] azeem: I already maintain stuff in python, its just the stub package bit that I've avoided successfully so far [12:58] how did the spec work? my understanding is that the developers think what they want to work on for this release, propose a spec, discuss with others, write a draft, get approved, then write the code. is that correct? === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-137-250.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Go] === ajmitch hasn't done the module madness for python yet [12:58] I've touched a few in universe, though [12:59] minghua: more or less, yes [12:59] but anyone can propose a spec [12:59] minghua, between "write a draft" and "get approved" there are several stages of "request review" and "write a draft" involved [01:00] ;) [01:00] yeah, I can imagine things aren't easy :-) [01:01] ogra: and 'remove crack' [01:01] but it's oh so much fun [01:02] and there seems some requirement for good japanese input methods in main i was at a fair in germany two weeks ago and had some long discussions with people that are annoyed about having to intall it from unierse [01:02] lifeless: how annoying, the configure script detects python2.3 and won't look further [01:02] so it ran fine, but it can't find tmp/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_opensync.la later on [01:03] <\sh> azeem: what doesn configure.in/.ac tells you? [01:03] why the heck has debian still 2.3 ? [01:03] because doko has not done the transition [01:03] bah [01:03] because doko is working on a new python scheme [01:03] theres presumably good reason for the lockstep immobile policy in debia [01:03] n [01:04] so we won't have lots of pythonx.x-foo packages [01:04] but it doth not make sense to me at the moment, and I didn't get time to talk with doko about it [01:04] ajmitch: the best is the enemy of the good [01:04] ajmitch: we should transition before python 2.6 is released! [01:04] lifeless: certainly - it's targetted for dapper though [01:04] lifeless++ [01:04] at least it's on doko's roadmap :) [01:04] ogra: the problem is always that a lot of people are asking for input methods, but few people are working on it :-( [01:04] <\sh> which will be more fun [01:04] minghua, exactly ... [01:05] minghua: not enough people know about the area [01:05] minghua, icouldnt give any reliable answers myself ... [01:06] lifeless: and transitions in debian have to be scheduled with the release managers in a way :) [01:06] ajmitch, there are approximately 1/3 of asian humans running around on this planet, why cant we find some to work on it ? [01:06] oh eww [01:06] ajmitch: so we should reduce the number of 'transitions' needed. [01:06] lifeless: well they get deferred so that there aren't huge numbers of breakages at once, eg C== & X [01:06] c++ [01:06] ajmitch: actually many people know, but language is really a problem [01:06] ogra: because we have problems getting anyone like that involved in development? [01:06] and IMHO asian people are usually more shy :-) [01:06] lifeless: we'll do before the end of this year ;-P [01:07] ajmitch, hmm ... [01:07] doko: great! :) [01:07] doko: dude, you are awake. cool. [01:07] time for a conf in asia then :) [01:07] ogra: look at how many europeans are involved in ubuntu development :) [01:07] doko: I'm having trouble making a stub python-opensync to pull in python2.4-opensync [01:07] doko: HELP! [01:07] before end of this year - sounds a great promise :-) [01:07] wth the advantage that jdub and lifeless dont have to fly that far :) === ajmitch is counting those of european descent - US, australia, NZ, etc :) [01:08] nice to lump 3 continents together [01:08] and your nice little island [01:08] and call it european, lol [01:08] europe is everything except china ? [01:09] :) [01:09] ogra: ha, that sounds exactly the mind set of ancient Chinese :-) [01:09] china was somewhat colonized by europeans [01:09] lifeless: please send me an email, I think I had one of the mulled wines was bad ... [01:09] doko: ok, will do. [01:09] thanks [01:10] tseng: all colonised by europeans :) [01:10] ogra: haven't you heard of eurasia ? [01:10] :) [01:10] lol === ogra votes for everybody who doesnt use chopsticks [01:11] hmm, but that would exclude sladen ... [01:11] haha [01:13] ogra: but seriously, we don't have nearly enough people that can do input methods involved [01:13] yup [01:13] thats true ... [01:14] we certainly need more people from asia involved who actually can work on it [01:15] we've got a few users who want it, at least [01:15] ajmitch, ogra: in case you don't know, I am actually an "input method" guy [01:15] minghua: I know [01:15] minghua, i suspected that :) [01:15] minghua: but we need more people, get recruiting! :) [01:15] lifeless: build doesn't depend on the configure stamp [01:15] so it won't autorconf by itself [01:16] but I can't find any other people willing to work together with me to improve the input method packages in ubuntu [01:16] eh, autoreconf [01:16] azeem: :) [01:16] azeem: are you hacking up configure.in ? I am too. === MacFergus [n=frg@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] lifeless: why are both make clean & make distclean called? [01:16] ajmitch: actually not a bad idea, I should talk with the ubuntu-jp people to see what they have [01:16] ajmitch: my bad [01:16] does upstream have broken makefiles? [01:17] lifeless: no, I just saw that. I had to run autoreconf manually when I first tried, and didn't realize it was meant to be called by the package [01:17] but probably not in time for dapper [01:17] lifeless, azeem, time for gobby ? [01:17] minghua: I know that ubuntu-kr has really taken off since jsgotangco's talk [01:17] I'm working on ubuntu at free time after all [01:17] ogra: if it worked maybe :) [01:17] minghua: as are most of us :) [01:17] :P [01:17] ajmitch: :-) [01:18] btw, \sh any gobby news from phillip ? [01:18] <\sh> ogra: bope [01:18] <\sh> nope even [01:18] lifeless: fwiw, I still don't get revno 13 or later when I pull [01:18] ajmitch: do you have a squid ? [01:18] ajmitch: or a sucky ISP ? [01:18] \sh, the first one soended like your nose is running ;) fits well :) [01:18] ajmitch: yes, Atie from korea add some quite nice info on the wiki page, and I like his style of filing malone bugs [01:18] squid & a sucky ISP [01:19] <\sh> ogra: hehe :) [01:19] ajmitch: can you check your access.log ? [01:19] ajmitch, tell them to use willow, its the future ! squid is bloat [01:20] hah, got it [01:20] lifeless: sure, and I don't see anything there [01:20] lifeless: if we add PYTHON=/usr/bin/python2.4 both to configure's line and before $(MAKE), it won't use 2.3 [01:21] the latter is maybe only needed cause I mucked with configure to remove the python2.3 check there, which didn't work [01:21] ajmitch: ok, so its bypassing squid :[ [01:21] ajmitch: do you have http_proxy set ? [01:21] no, I unset it [01:21] sweet, my patch works. [01:21] heh [01:22] lifeless: cool [01:29] lifeless: I set http_proxy, and got a TCP_MISS in access.log [01:29] ok [01:29] but still 0 revisions pulled :) [01:29] did that help or hinder ? [01:29] ok. [01:29] so its your freaking upstream [01:29] yeah [01:29] theres a bug report on this [01:30] not the first time I've had this [01:33] lifeless: we also need to Build-Depend on automake, autoconf, if we keep the autoreconf === McFergus [n=frg@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] azeem: not just autotools-dev ? [01:34] autotools-dev doesn't depend on the others, iirc [01:34] lifeless: no, that just provides config.{guess,sub} [01:34] theres an autosomethingen [01:34] that brings in the current [01:35] automaken [01:35] automaken? [01:35] I'd rather do automake1.9 and be done [01:35] it'd help to keep it sane on the next auto* incompatibility [01:35] I think automaken is even discouraged for Debian packaging, but not sure [01:35] ok [01:36] I've pushed the confgigure change to the opensync-debian tree [01:37] and control updates for those deps [01:38] *sigh* [01:38] -build: debian/build-stamp [01:38] +build: configure debian/build-stamp [01:38] I think we need this as well [01:38] in debian/rules [01:38] configure-stamp would be good [01:39] ajmitch: what to do with php4-interbase? it wants firebird2-dev, which is for good reason probably in p-a-s for amd64. [01:39] Nafallo: hm? [01:39] pushed [01:39] working on merges ;-). [01:39] ajmitch: well, configure is a file which isn't there, so it might be alright [01:39] Nafallo: I saw that [01:39] azeem: that's true [01:40] good reason is a HEAP of cast from... [01:41] Nafallo: so you think that php4-interbase should not be tried on amd64? [01:41] or what are you asking me? === minghua just got a mail from the Debian maintainer of scim-hangul :-) [01:41] ajmitch: I dunno what the solution should be actually :-) [01:41] Nafallo: are you working on an amd64? [01:41] ok, built fine now [01:41] yepp [01:41] aha [01:42] Nafallo: 32-bit chroot then ;) [01:42] Package: php4-interbase [01:42] Architecture: any [01:42] will still FTBFS because of missing build-dep... [01:43] missing on amd64 [01:43] right? [01:43] well firebird2-dev is only built on i386 [01:43] right [01:44] so change that any to i386? [01:44] or try to get firebird2 to build on amd64? ;-) [01:45] Nafallo: it should build [01:45] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=147500 [01:46] last comment there === mmtb [n=mmtb@dxk25.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] I'm sure it build, but it still has LOTS of cast-to-pointer errors [01:47] <\sh> good night :) [01:48] but then again. looks like php4-interbase is also only built on i386, so p-a-s probably ;-) [01:49] hmm [01:50] ajmitch: you don't happen to have an i386 happy to build somewhere? ;-) [01:50] azeem: http://svn.opensync.org/multisync/tags/multisync-0.90.18 <- matching multisync [01:52] lifeless: those are just command-line tools, right? [01:52] Nafallo: I've got an i386 box, sure [01:52] azeem: not at all, thats the full multisync gui [01:53] azeem: as well as msynctool [01:53] which is a command line tool [01:53] ajmitch: care to testbuild php4-interbase from debian unstable on it? :-) [01:53] ah [01:54] should be fine, but I never upload/request syncs without testing ;-) [01:54] azeem: so, think the engine is ready for an upload ? [01:55] lifeless: well, we could wait for me packaging the other stuff to actually test it... [01:55] but then, it builds, so ship it! [01:55] azeem: I've just built msynctool 0.90.18 against the installed opensync-dev package. [01:55] azeem: :) [01:55] wiit [01:56] eh, woot === azeem is currently triaging multisync-0.8x bugs [01:56] Nafallo: 1 sec [01:56] dapper pbuilder base went strange again [01:56] I must go do real work now :[ [01:56] I'll ship this up to NEW now though [01:56] good old md5sum mismatch from apt-proxy [01:56] where it can linger a year or so [01:56] ok [01:56] I'm going to bed now [01:56] night [01:56] lifeless: great, thanks [01:57] NEW is pretty fast these dasy [01:57] days, even [01:57] yeah, it's under 2 weeks for most packages now [01:57] often under 1 [01:57] debians or ubuntus? :-) [01:57] debian [01:57] Nafallo: ubuntus is hours [01:58] lifeless: yea, that's what I thought :-) [01:58] we can't afford to lose a week of an ubuntu release cycle :) [01:58] hehe, very true :-) [01:58] man the python bindings are weak [01:58] they should write msynctool in python [01:58] then they would get good fast. === Nafallo already looks forward to some bits of dapper+1 ;-) === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] Nafallo: give me a bit while I bash apt-proxy [02:02] ajmitch: sure :-) [02:03] ajmitch: can we sync things that are in NEW ? [02:03] nope [02:03] not publically readable [02:03] .. [02:03] the earliest it's syncable is from incoming [02:06] what about from UploadQueue on ftp-master before it enters NEW? :-P [02:06] ajmitch: yeah, sync it .... [02:08] NOW [02:09] quick, before cron kicks in [02:09] heh [02:09] I wish we could, really [02:09] but it's elmo's scripts [02:09] you didn't set azeem or myself in Uploaders, did you? [02:10] not yet, I figure you can patch and publish a branch yourselves :) [02:10] yeah, once my ISP doesn't suck as much === minghua hate people keep mentioning 1.4 billion chinese people when talking about input method [02:13] minghua: because most of those 1.4 billion don't have access to computers? [02:14] I mean, hell, how many of them have even touched (let alone owned/co-owned) a computer? 50 million? [02:14] ajmitch: exactly [02:14] I think the point is not just how many have, but how many more might be able to [02:14] more dreams of world domination, etc :) [02:16] yeah, everyone envies the big market of China :-) [02:16] there's even a lot of chinese people outside of china, who might want it :) [02:16] like my flatmate for the last couple of years, using winxp :) === ajmitch would have liked to have put ubuntu on his laptop :) [02:17] ajmitch: actually from what I see, about half of the zh_CN l10n people are abroad [02:17] yeah [02:17] translation for example, require a decent knowledge of the english strings to translate [02:18] I don't know how much english is taught in schools there :) [02:18] ajmitch: that would be awesome :-) maybe you can show him dapper (I guarantee we'll have a working scim in dapper) === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] minghua: well he's left now [02:19] gone back to china for summer & living elsewhere in dunedin next year [02:19] ajmitch: quite a lot. the problem, though, is the students forget them quickly once the exam is over :-) [02:19] of course :) [02:20] I probably need to get more involved in that, heh. [02:21] hey crimsun, do you speak chinese fluently? [02:21] I suppose it's not your first language... [02:21] no, not by any stretch of anyone's imagination. [02:21] minghua: you're in the US now, right? [02:21] ajmitch: yes, Ph.D. student [02:21] I understand it completely if it's spoken _to_ me, but it takes me a while to respond [02:22] crimsun: that's not bad :-) what about written Chinese? [02:22] written's a bit better than spoken but not by much === ajmitch understands none at all :) [02:23] hey, maybe we should form a MOTUChinese team ;-) === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:23] hehe [02:24] well half the MOTUs could form the #ubuntu-motu-de, I think ;) [02:25] anyway, I believe ubuntu will have better support for chinese than debian in the near future [02:25] I would be alone in MOTUSwedish ;-) [02:25] minghua: that's good news :-) [02:25] minghua: hopefully that support from ubuntu can get into debian [02:26] ajmitch: I hope so too, but pushing things in Debian is hard [02:27] ajmitch: I plan to apply for ubuntu member and MOTU soon, so that working in ubuntu is easy === macgyver2 [n=eric@pdpc/supporter/student/macgyver2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] great :) [02:27] I'm still heavily involved in debian stuff, but NM progress is like forever [02:28] that's actually the no. 1 reason ubuntu attracts me (as a developer, anyway), more open developing process [02:29] ajmitch: ping php4-interbase? :-) === minghua hasn't dare to apply for NM yet, because he doesn't have time to read through social contract, DFSG and debian policy... :-P [02:36] why don't we have something like this: http://www.buildd.net/cgi/nowbuilding.cgi ? [02:38] nm, launchpad will probably have something like that :-) [02:46] Nafallo: still got pbuilder breakage, you'll have to ask someone else sorry :( [02:47] Nafallo: yes, launchpad already has an interface like that, which we can't see ;) === ajmitch saw the demo of it at UBZ === minghua is heading home [02:48] bye minghua [02:48] see you soon guys [02:48] ajmitch: hehe, oki :-) [02:49] ajmitch: hmm, I might aswell check the buildlogs sometime tomorrow ;-) [02:50] what launchpad does seems very much like what debian calls multibuild :-P [02:51] how so? [02:53] I have dejavu when I read the draft. it doesn't differ to much from what's in the launchpad specs IMO. [02:54] atleast some parts. now it feels more like things we want ;-) [02:54] but one step at a time now :-) === dous [n=adpenara@203.131.155.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487F56C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macgyver2 [n=eric@216-164-51-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] hello MOTUs, I am back [03:13] hey minghua [03:15] hi [03:15] hi bmonty. what timezone are you in? [03:16] minghua: central [03:16] bmonty: oh! I've in central too. I'm in Houston [03:17] I'm in Omaha [03:19] ajmitch: you having problems with riots in NZ also? [03:22] Sydney is too, which is terrible. [03:23] bmonty: no riots here [03:23] ha. apparently lpbugs.py can't handle a bug not assigned to a package :-) [03:23] ajmitch: good to hear [03:23] StevenK: sydney is terrible? yeah, I'd probably agree :) [03:26] bmonty: NZ is a lot saner than .au === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] hi freeflying [03:34] freeflying: did you get my mail about skim? [03:34] minghua: hi [03:34] minghua: y [03:36] minghua: now ,i'm waiting for skim's uploading to debian from mentor [03:36] freeflying: you got a sponsor? [03:36] freeflying: that's good to know, but it may not be in time for dapper though [03:36] minghua: why not? :) [03:37] debian isn't *that* slow [03:37] we have UVF in the middle of Jan, right? [03:37] yes [03:37] 5 weeks away [03:37] ajmitch: no, the debian maintainer is not freeflying [03:37] right.. [03:37] and from my previous experience with William, his response time isn't that great... [03:40]