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lucasvoone user per client12:05
agente87and share a folder?12:06
lucasvoagente87: yes12:06
agente87but, i will try the other configuration with other classroom12:07
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agente87and older classroom12:07
lucasvoagente87: which one?12:07
NytryxMHZ!12:07
agente87i have some PII, nobody want to use them12:07
agente87are they too slow?12:08
lucasvoagente87: they would probably be excellent clients for ltsp12:08
agente87128 MB per client12:09
lucasvohm, 25x100.- for windows license and you would have a really neat server12:09
lucasvoagente87: yes12:09
agente87http://www.edebenet.com/esp/presentacion/profesor.htm12:11
agente87this is the software i have mentioned12:11
agente87with this program i can control my pupils12:11
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Burgworkogra__, I like the terms "Observe Desktop" and "Control Desktop" for our buttons12:12
Burgworkogra__, having seen the link that agente87 just put up12:12
lucasvoagente87: with ltsp there is some app like this12:12
lucasvoagente87: Burgwork is talking about it, Teacher Control Panel12:13
Burgworkagente87, it is called student control panel and it is in the beginnings fo developement12:13
Burgworkagente87, so tell us what drives you nuts and what you like about thaht program12:13
Burgworkbest to  email edubuntu-devel with that informatin12:13
lucasvoit will be released in april 06 I think12:13
Burgworkit needs more people to work on it12:13
spaceyogra__, do the errors i paste before sound familiar?12:14
Nytryxbrb 12:14
lucasvoBurgwork: I would like to help, but I neither know python nor glade12:14
Burgworklucasvo, do you use a similar application currently? Can you help with finding out how teachers actually use it?12:16
lucasvoBurgwork: I only know apple remote desktop12:16
Burgworklucasvo, ah ok. I am looking for people who actually use what agente87 uses12:16
agente87i'm using it with my pupils (from 6 to 12)12:17
lucasvoBurgwork: but what I know from there is: a list with users and what programm is active(on top of desktop)12:18
lucasvoBurgwork: it is quite usefull12:18
lucasvoBurgwork: than, a function to blan all screens would be useful12:18
lucasvo*blank12:18
lucasvo12:18
agente87yes it very usefull12:18
lucasvoTransmite el contenido de la pantalla del profesor a los PC de los alumnos seleccionados. 12:18
agente87joer de donde eres?12:19
Nytryxogra__12:19
lucasvo^^^ stream video from teacher pc to all pupil pcs12:19
lucasvoagente87: I don't understand what you say12:19
Nytryxogra_12:19
Nytryxogra__12:19
agente87sorry, i thought you can speak spanish12:19
lucasvoNytryx: ogra isn't there12:19
Nytryxdamn!12:19
Nytryxty12:19
lucasvoagente87: I know a little bit italiano12:19
lucasvoagente87: and french12:20
agente87yes, i can start programs and navigation12:20
Nytryxok bbl12:20
lucasvoagente87: so if there are engough similarities I understand it12:20
agente87you can guide all pupils pcs through a web page12:20
lucasvoBurgwork: you understand spanish?12:21
lucasvohttp://www.redianet.com/img/pantallazo2.gif12:21
Burgworklucasvo, nope12:21
lucasvo^^^ there is a similar view on apple remote desktop12:21
agente87i do12:21
Burgworkhmm, looks interested12:22
lucasvoBurgwork: I can help you translate12:22
Burgworking12:22
lucasvoBurgwork: is there any public wiki page?12:22
lucasvofor ptc?12:22
BurgworkTeacherTool12:22
lucasvoBurgwork: I will add feautures there12:22
agente87what do you want to translate?12:23
lucasvoLocked Page12:23
lucasvoagente87: feautures it has12:23
lucasvoagente87: feautures ubuntu should have12:23
lucasvoBurgwork: I can't edit the wiki page12:24
Burgworklucasvo, you need to login first12:24
lucasvoBurgwork: ah ok12:24
Burgworkadd your screenshot as well as thge one from agente87 12:25
lucasvoBurgwork: ok12:25
agente87they are very similar12:27
agente87!!!!12:27
agente87i will try to translate12:28
lucasvoagente87: just post it here if you don't want to make a launchpad account12:28
Burgworkagente87, we need teachers to be able to tell us and maybe even show us how they use these pieces of software so that scp is the best there is12:28
agente87I a theacher, i teach childrens in the mormings and their parents, in the evening12:29
agente87I use it as a proyector12:29
Burgworkwhat we need is basically "When student does X, I do X" or "When I want to do X, I do Y"12:30
agente87my screen can be watched in my pupils monitor12:30
Burgworkand "The most common 5 things I do are ..."12:30
agente87ok12:31
Burgworkagente87, email me at corey.burger@gmail.com12:31
Burgworkand I will format and send on the edubuntu-devel list12:31
lucasvoBurgwork: how should I name the paragraph? :D12:31
Burgworklucasvo, Similar programs12:32
Burgworklucasvo, sorry, edit TeachersPet12:35
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lucasvohi ogra 12:37
lucasvoBurgwork: added some contents12:47
lucasvoBurgwork: but I want that picture to be a link, how can I do that? 12:48
Burgworkno idea but don't worry about it12:48
Burgworkgreat work and thanks12:48
Burgworkhaving them all inline makes for easy viewing12:48
lucasvoBurgwork: but it may be problem because of copyright12:49
Burgworklucasvo, screenshots are fairuse and we only link12:49
agente87lucasvo, I have sent you a test mail12:50
lucasvoagente87: to which addreass? or do you mean Burgwork?12:52
agente87maybe12:52
agente87sorry12:52
Burgworkagente87, yes I go tit12:52
lucasvoredianet added as well12:53
lucasvoI go no 12:53
lucasvocu12:53
Burgworklucasvo, cheers and thanks again12:53
lucasvoBurgwork: please contact me if there is something I can do...12:54
lucasvoBurgwork: like draw symbols, write docs, test ...12:54
Burgworklucasvo, ok12:54
John_at_LMiHello again. I'd like some advice about performance on older hardware: i've installed workstation on a P6-233 with 256MB RAM. It's slow and sluggish as hell. How to improve that? This box will be going to a preschool child who will never do anything but play games on it.12:56
agente87lucasvo : how can i help?12:57
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BurgworkJohn_at_LMi, you just have a workstation?12:57
Burgworkagente87, you looking to speak to me?12:58
agente87jajajaja, 12:58
agente87yes, i think i have to improve my english, sorry12:59
Burgworknp12:59
Burgworkyour english is better than my spanish12:59
agente87i have tried edebenet and it is very usefull, a bit slow if you use more than 800 X 60001:00
John_at_LMiBurgwork: yes, just the one machine, which i installed as a workstation.01:02
Burgworkagente87, do you think you could send an email in spanish about what you liked/disliked about edebenet and how you would improve that? We have some spanish users so they can translate into english if that is something you don't think you can do01:04
agente87yes, i'm trying to write it in english01:06
Burgworkagente87, cheers01:06
agente87if it too bad i will make it in spanish ;-D01:06
Burgworkok01:07
agente87i have send you the most usefull features01:09
Burgworkthanks01:11
Burgworksome of the things you mention are not actually on the feature list yet01:11
Burgworkagente87, are there other teachers you know that use similar software?01:11
agente87yes i was going to tell you now01:15
agente87teachers in my work01:16
agente87i have send you a second message, but in spanish01:16
agente87i have said, that the program may have a evaluation method01:17
Burgworkagente87, I will pass both these messages on to the edubuntu-devel mailing list, if that is ok01:17
agente87like moodle01:17
Burgworkhmm01:17
agente87may i join the mailing list, if you want some help01:17
Burgworkthat is somewhat outside the scope of teacher tool01:17
Burgworkagente87, taht would be great01:17
agente87where can i sign?01:18
Burgworkhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel01:19
John_at_LMiAnyone else have general advice on how to improve performance on older hardware? For exmaple, how to turn off unneeded services?01:26
agente87well see you,01:27
agente87good night01:27
Burgworkagente87, cheers01:27
BurgworkJohn_at_LMi, there isn't much you can do beyond changing your default desktop01:27
BurgworkJohn_at_LMi, install xubuntu-desktop and then use that01:27
John_at_LMiwould i still be able to use gcompris and other games that run under GDM?01:28
Burgworkyes01:30
Burgworkyou would just be using xfce and not gnome01:30
John_at_LMialright, i'll try installing xubuntu-desktop. Can i do that from the Synaptic Package Manger?01:36
Burgworkhmm01:37
Burgworkshould be able to01:37
John_at_LMiif so it's not obvious. Perhaps using apt-get?01:37
Burgworksame repos01:38
Burgworkapt-get and synaptic query the same database01:38
Burgworkyou need universe enabled01:39
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John_at_LMilol..universe, eh? assuming that i'm technically savvy and ubuntu-ignorant, what does that mean and how do i do it?01:43
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BurgworkJohn_at_LMi, wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto01:46
John_at_LMithank you, Burgwork. I'll read that and try it now.01:46
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Nytryxok ive converted to ubuntu on my desktop its going to take some serious work to get me to switch on my laptops lol01:58
Nytryxwell just on my laptop lol01:59
Nytryxgreat OS! 01:59
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John_at_LMiAlright, i've enabled universe and installed xubuntu-desktop; any other tips for improving performance on an older machine? 02:46
John_at_LMiI've also just installed bum and am poking at it now.02:47
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arkan0xhttp://people.ubuntulinux.org/~scott/software/bzrk-diff.png  what editor is this ??  o is part of bazaar ?03:04
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John_at_LMialright, my install is done.04:30
John_at_LMithank you various folks for the help.04:30
mhzJohn_at_LMi: glad you could do it!04:32
mhzwlecome to the club!04:32
mhz:)04:32
John_at_LMijust for your curiosity: i'm a Mac geek and part-time Windows & FreeBSD geek at a small ISP. I had an extra old box, and i saw a craigslist ad from a family that wanted a machine for their 4 yr old. So, I'd just read that review in Linux Journal, and i decided what the hell, i'll give it a shot.04:35
mhzheehhe04:38
mhzisn't couriosity just wonderful04:38
konfuzedhm04:41
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konfuzedhm05:02
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mhzhighvoltage: hi there.07:38
mhzhighvoltage: how can I get access to or include an image at a LP description on LP team page?07:41
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JaneWsorry about missing the meeting yesterday guys10:02
jsgotangcohey JaneW how are you?10:02
JaneWwas feeling really awful, I thought I'd lie down for 20 minutes and fell asleep for 4 hours!10:03
ograthen you must have needed it :)10:03
YagisanJaneW: Hope you feel better today10:03
JaneWjsgotangco: MUCH better today thanks.10:07
jsgotangcoJaneW, i wonder though if you'll be part of AsiaBusinessTour10:07
jsgotangcoprobably not10:07
jsgotangco:(10:07
jsgotangcoJaneW, do you know Hande?10:08
JaneWI have heard of Hande but not met him/her...10:10
jsgotangcoJaneW, yeah i don't know if Hande is a he/she10:10
jsgotangcoi received email from him/her10:10
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lucasvoBurgwork: did you forward mails to eduuntu-devel already?01:08
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mhzJaneW: hi. I am glad you're feeling betta01:28
mhzJaneW: you can bet that next time you feel bad, Mr. Edubuntu can do very good job in the role of ograW :)01:29
JaneWoooh good to hear01:29
JaneWnot that I had any doubt01:30
mhzthe only problem, is that he has no Cakes for us :(01:30
JaneWwe'll have to fix that!01:30
mhzheheh01:30
irvinhas anyone got to test the live cd yet?01:30
mhznot me, I fell asleep on the couch before I got to start downloading01:31
mhzand I'll have to wait for a less traffic hour, 'coz my bandwith is not fast at all01:32
spaceyi'm sad, my poor thinclient doesn't work01:32
ograirvin, yes01:32
ograapart from powerpc, that one is still downloading here 01:32
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ograppc install will still have the old bug in ltsp, i'm about to fix that here along with the thin-client-memory-usage impelmentation... so only workstation install will work in flight 2 01:36
ograbut the others are tested and fine ...01:37
ograapart from the known bugs indeed ;)01:37
irvinis schooltool included in the edubuntu cd?01:38
irvinon 5.10?01:38
juliuxirvin, i have here a prozess named schooltool so i think yes01:40
irvinlooks like sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop does not install it by default01:40
ogranope01:41
ograits in the edubuntu-server package ;)01:41
ogra(which is installed in the default, but not the workstation install)01:41
irvini see01:42
ograneither on the liveCD 01:42
juliuxogra, can you explain me why schooltool needs so much virtual memory ?01:43
ogranope01:44
ograi didnt do much with it yet ...01:44
juliuxogra, it needs 130mb that is more as evolution01:44
ograits a server ...01:44
juliuxogra, i didnt do anything with it i only install it01:44
ograyup01:45
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juliuxhm very strange01:47
ograit runs a webserver ...01:48
juliuxogra, the livecd boot screen looks very cool01:50
ograyup01:50
ograthats Kamions work ...01:50
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juliuxogra, but it reminds me a little bit on suse01:51
mhzogra: then I should present a LiveCd + DVD + Install CD for edubuntu ? any other CD like stuff needed?01:51
mhz(and for 3 architectures)01:52
juliuxcool the livecd is now fast01:52
juliuxer01:52
ogramhz, yes, if its ready ...01:54
juliuxogra, who has make the livecd?01:54
ograthe current one is stil very buggy01:54
juliuxyes very buggu01:54
juliux*y01:54
ogralamont makes the livefs and Kamion creates the iso, i do the seeds 01:54
juliuxthe Applications menu is broken01:55
juliuxan no edubuntu artwork01:55
ograas everywhere in dapper01:55
juliuxhehe01:55
ograits there, its just enabled in the wrong place, gconf changed01:55
juliuxit was a very good decision to use a cd rw01:55
ograheh, yes01:56
ograi never use anything else during development ...01:56
juliuxi extra buy a cd rw so i can test the live cd01:56
ograbte, the bootscreen is from suse, a suse guy even helped with it01:57
ogra*btw01:57
juliuxah ok01:57
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spaceyhi02:00
spaceyshould /etc/exports contain /opt/ltsp or /opt/ltsp/i386 ?02:00
ograthe first02:02
spaceymy client doesn't want to boot02:03
spaceyit exists in a busybox shell (initramfs i presume)02:04
spaceyand can't mount stuff02:04
ograyup02:04
spaceymounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed02:04
ograthats a "bug" in dhcpd 3.0.302:04
spaceyaha02:05
ogra  option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;02:05
ogra  next-server 192.168.100.32;02:05
ogra  filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";02:05
ogra  option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";02:05
ograadd your server ip for next-server in your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf02:05
spaceymy config is a bit differnt.02:05
ograi'll fix that 02:06
spaceyi have the next-server specified02:06
ograoh02:06
ograthen it should work just fine02:06
spacey        next-server             10.101.191.20;02:06
spacey        option root-path        "10.101.191.20:/opt/ltsp/i386";02:06
spacey        if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient"02:06
spacey        {02:06
spacey                filename        "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";02:06
spacey        }02:06
spaceyhench the 10.101.191.20 is the terminal server02:07
spaceythe dhcpd is onanother machine. But the dhcp part seems to go well. On the thin client i can see its got the mount info, and apparantly the pxe/tftp part already worked. since initramfs got loaded02:09
ograwhats set as rootserver ? 02:10
ograit should be on console 102:10
spacey10.101.191.2002:11
spaceyadn the root path is 10.101.191.20:/opt/ltsp/i38602:11
spaceylike in the config02:11
ograhmm, and the nfs server is running as well ? 02:12
spaceyyup, i'll test if i can mount the export on another machine02:12
spaceyhold on02:12
spaceyyup mounting 10.101.191.20:/opt/ltsp works02:17
ograweird ...02:17
ograi had no probs in my install tests here yesterday 02:17
spaceyits still breezy btw02:18
ograoh02:18
spaceydapper is next step02:19
spacey:P02:19
ograhow does your exports look like ? 02:19
ogra/opt/ltsp       *(ro,no_root_squash,async)02:19
spaceyyup02:20
spaceylike that02:20
spaceyltsp-server added that02:20
ograyup02:20
ogratry to omit rhe ip from the root-path setting ...02:20
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spaceylets try02:24
spaceyhah02:28
ograworks ? 02:28
spaceyit actually works. Particular. I copied that part from a working LTSP setup02:28
ografunny ...02:29
spaceywell at least i get X now02:29
ograit shouldnt have any effect02:29
ograusually02:29
spaceyok next step is find out why that login thingy doesn't pop up. ldm was it right?02:30
ograyup02:30
ograyou get X but no ldm ? 02:30
spaceyyup02:30
ograstrange 02:30
ograthats still breezy ? 02:30
ograeven the chroot ? 02:31
spaceyyup02:31
ograset a rootpw in the chroot and try to run /ect/init.d/ltsp-client start manually ...02:32
ograand have a look at /var/log/ldm.log02:32
spaceyi thought openssh-server was install in the chroot?02:32
ogranope02:33
ograthere is no access possible from the outside02:33
spaceyah that it was there for some of your fancy toolies02:33
ograi only install it to easily scp files between systems02:34
ograits not in the default install... and shouldnt be ...02:34
spaceyctrl alt f1 doesn't respond02:36
spaceyfunny02:37
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littlepaulis this right that the livecd does not contain ltsp?02:39
mhzogra: what's the best app. included in edubuntu to get edubuntu liveCd and dapperTest CD ?02:39
mhzwget?02:39
mhz(oh, yes, command line would be better appeciated)02:39
ogralittlepaul, yes, it would be sily to include it there02:40
ogra*silly02:41
littlepaulhm02:41
ogramhz, for an initial download wget... else rsync02:41
ogralittlepaul, it would be nearly unusable02:41
juliuxogra, so the live cd will only show a client?02:42
ogranope, a workstation :P02:42
mhzhehehe02:42
juliuxyes the behaviour of a client02:42
juliuxogra, korinten......02:42
ogra:P02:42
ogra;)02:42
juliuxsorry for the rest but i don't know how to translate it into english02:43
ograpeanuts ;)02:43
mhzLOL, oh sure, korinten!02:47
spaceyogra: can't look in the logs, X starts and then locks itself. but no fear. I'll install openssh server :P02:51
spaceyi'll get myself in02:51
ograheh02:52
spaceymaybe it dislikes my acer laptop02:53
spaceyat least i do02:53
ograunderstadable :)02:53
spaceyno ldm log02:55
spaceybut there is an Xorg one02:56
spaceynothing special though02:56
ograwhat happens if you kill X (and possible instances of ldm or gtk) and run the above command ?02:57
spaceyI could kill it with ssh02:57
ograyup02:57
spaceyldm is not running02:57
ograand then /etc/init.d/ltsp-client start02:57
spaceydoesn't get started i guess02:58
spaceyXDM: too many retransmissions, declaring session dead02:59
spaceythats particular02:59
spaceyat least looks02:59
spaceyogra: where is ldm suppose to get called?03:02
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spaceyah well its probably my laptop, i can try dapper chroot or fix up that crappy duron pc here... and give it another try03:06
ograldm is called from /etc/init.d/ltsp-client03:07
ograxdm is broken in breezy 03:07
spaceywho wants xdm anyway03:09
ograand it shouldnt be install in the chroot at all03:09
spaceyit isn't03:10
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spaceythink its possible because its a laptop? i heard that happend more often. but can't think of a valid reason. especially because X already started.03:11
spaceywell its obvious X crashed03:12
ograi run fine here with my acer 03:12
spaceyonly mouse pointer works, nothing else responds :o)03:12
ograwhats nothing else ? 03:12
spaceyany keyboard input03:12
spaceylike ctrl alt f1, ctl alt backspace, ctrl alt del03:13
ogradid you tweak something in your lts.conf ? 03:13
spaceyhehe03:13
spaceydon't kill me03:14
spaceyi ran some ltsp toolies which generated some files03:14
ograargh03:14
ograthen you broke it ...03:14
ograif you use anything from the ltsp-utils package, you can be sure its broken now03:14
Yagisanand get to keep both pieces ;)03:15
littlepaulogra just one word "FAQ" ;)03:15
ograworst case iu saw was that it tweaked stuff through /proc and broke the server completely03:15
spaceynasty03:15
ograwhich results usually in a reinstall ...03:15
spaceywell i'm not that insane.:P03:15
ogralittlepaul, nah, fixing the bug that these packages exist in main ;)03:16
littlepauli know but as you allready said these packages will remain there because of 4.103:16
ograbut in universe ....03:17
ograwhich is not enabled by default ...03:17
littlepaulk03:17
ograi dont care if the user breaks his system by heavy tweaking ... that his own fault ... the prob with breezy is that the tools are in main03:17
spaceyyeah well, i started off with installing some ltsp- packages.03:17
spacey:p03:18
ograthats fixed in dapper already03:18
spaceymaybe rename it to utsp :P03:18
littlepaulthe dependency bug is fixed?03:18
spaceyor ltsp- to ltsp-thebadone03:19
spacey:>03:19
ogralittlepaul, yes, since the first dapper upload03:19
littlepaulsounds good03:19
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pc22hi Yagisan 03:20
YagisanG'day pc2203:22
Yagisanogra: sadly I can't test your new livecd, I reached my 20GB monthly limit, and have now been throttled to 64k until 200603:23
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littlepaul:)03:23
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mhzYagisan: you have a limit?03:24
juliuxYagisan, not good03:24
juliuxmhz, i also have a limit, on 7 days 3gb03:24
mhzjuliux: any photos of the event you and ogra participated?03:24
juliuxmhz, mom03:24
mhzjuliux: hmm, never knew about about limits set by ISP... NOT fair03:25
spaceyogra: ok it works, my laptop is faster as thinclient then local install. :P sorry for the lame mistake03:25
Yagisanmhz: Yep, allmost all internet plans in Aus are limited03:25
mhzbummer03:25
Yagisanmhz: It gets worse, they are artifically speed limited by telstra too :(03:26
mhzgee!03:26
mhzi wonder how thwy would feel if we set 'quotes' to them03:26
mhzAFAIk, we have no limits but our speeds are slow and expensive yet03:27
Yagisanmhz: max is 1500k down and 256k up, except at a few exchanges where non-telstra owned dslams have been installed03:27
Yagisanmhz: telstra wouldn't care - they own almost every cable to every home on the continent03:28
mhzoh03:29
mhzmonopoly?03:29
ogramhz, \sh_away has some pics on his blog, look at planet03:29
ograspacey, it were youre nerves, not mine that had to suffer ;)03:30
ograpowerpc live is broken here :(03:30
Yagisanmhz: almost complete.03:30
Yagisanmhz: there is actually a duopoly here, with telstra and optus03:31
ograif anyone could confir that, that would be nice, so i can put it in the flight 2 release notes03:31
juliuxmhz, http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/elt2005/   http://www.dakjos.de/gallery/Linuxtag-Essen-200503:31
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juliuxmhz, http://gallery.linuxtage-essen.de/main.php03:33
ogragah, they have a pic of me at the gentoo booth ....03:34
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juliuxhehe03:34
juliuxalready week end?03:36
mhzogra: gentoo rocks!03:37
mhzno need to hide03:37
juliuxmhz, lol03:37
ograjuliux, public holiday in sa03:37
juliuxmhz, i have used gentoo until i get a broken linker03:37
ogramhz, i'm no gentoo fan at all ...03:37
mhzohhh03:37
mhzI liked gentoo very much (once installed) :)03:38
=== Yagisan likes to pinch gentoo patches, but that's about it
juliuxgentoo users have to much money for electricity03:38
mhzI also like Gentoo docs03:38
mhzjuliux: hehehe03:38
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mhzLord_Athur: hi03:39
Lord_Athurhi03:39
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=== mhz thinks a) yup b) yup c) yup
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Lord_Athurgood bye everyone03:44
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agente87hello03:48
agente87i need help03:48
agente87how can i start moodle in a edubuntu installation?03:49
ograyou just install it, it gets started automatically03:49
ograhmm, short visit03:49
Yagisanall of 40 seconds - some people have no patience03:50
ograheh03:50
jsgotangcohey all03:50
ograhey jsgotangco 03:51
YagisanG'day jsgotangco03:51
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jsgotangcoogra, have you seen the work in progress of elkner and kjcole on cookbook?03:53
ogranope, not yet03:53
jsgotangcoargghhh03:54
mhzjsgotangco: ?03:54
ograargghhh ???03:55
jsgotangcomhz, we're already on flight 2, more or less we already have working feature sets, we're doing good progress in ubuntu docs i'm getting free time by next week and going to dig back at the doc03:55
mhzoooh03:56
ograso ping one of them...03:56
mhzok03:56
jsgotangcoogra, i will03:56
ograthey have a bzr archive with their work afaik03:56
jsgotangcoit doesn't contain much03:56
=== mhz is truly sorry he's such a non-productive monkey on xml or html syntax
jsgotangcomhz, we're not going to do moin :P hehehe03:57
=== mhz can work very well on Moin, Abiword and OOO
mhzjsgotangco: hehe, honestly i wasnt thinking on that03:57
jsgotangcogive me your OOo in ODP format and i'll take care of the rest03:57
mhzreally?????????????03:57
mhzjsgotangco: why didnt you say that B4?03:57
jsgotangcoOOo 2 is much better in the docbook export03:58
ograjsgotangco, no no , we decided to do it in plain handwritten postscript now :P03:58
jsgotangcogahhh03:58
mhzjsgotangco: any specific template you need me to use?03:58
ogra;)03:58
jsgotangcomhz, nope03:58
jsgotangcoa clean doc will do03:58
mhzogra: mean!03:58
mhz:)03:58
ogra*g*03:58
mhzcool!03:58
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jsgotangcoheya zakame 04:00
mhzzakame: hip04:00
zakamehi jsgotangco :D04:00
zakameand mhz :)04:00
mhzjsgotangco: are you sure ODP will do fine for your purposes? (need to double check)04:00
jsgotangcomhz, yes04:01
zakameODP? 04:01
mhzjsgotangco: if so, then i'll have to learn BZR roght now or that can wait?04:01
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jsgotangcomhz, no bzr needed for now04:01
mhzzakame: OpenDocuement P...04:01
zakameooh04:02
jsgotangcozakame, we don't need no stinkin' LaTeX nor Emacs!04:02
zakamejsgotangco: buwahaha04:02
jsgotangco:P04:02
=== mhz would love to learn emacs before XML :)
jsgotangcomhz, traitor :P04:02
mhzhehehe04:02
ograbzr is cool for maintaining your local changes though ...04:03
mhzjsgotangco: hmmm, so ok. How do i get to read the already WIP ?04:03
mhzindeed04:03
ograyou can easily roll back or recover stuff ...04:03
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mhzogra: it's just that I have trouble figuring out how to give time to so many stuff I want to do and already feel commited that even the slightest "new thing to learn" is complex to me04:04
mhzjsgotangco: BTW, the aLEXsANCHEsSECO wiki page is being used a spanish personal blog04:06
jsgotangcowhoa04:06
jsgotangcoreally04:06
mhzyup04:06
jsgotangcoshould we give him the smackdown?04:07
mhzfortunatelly, no attachements yet04:07
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=== mhz tends to be 'pationate' to give smackdowns
mhzjsgotangco: so, if all current work is XML, any ideas/suggestions regarding how to read it in 'human like' so I can see what to edit or add?04:08
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jsgotangcohmm do a make on the doc in svn04:11
=== mhz reading about bzr
ograyou actually need only to know about  or 7 commands04:12
zakameyeah bzr's quite easy :)04:13
ograand bzrk is unbeaten http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/software/bzrk.png04:14
ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/software/bzrk-diff.png04:14
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mhzogra: JaneW_we: any budget for openpuppets.org ?04:19
jsgotangcoopenpuppets?04:19
mhzogra: jsgotangco: http://www.openpuppets.com/04:20
ograwhats that ?04:20
mhzlovely initiative04:20
mhz:D04:20
=== mhz wanna order edubuntu puppets
jsgotangcohuh?04:21
jsgotangcohope this isn't a sock puppet04:21
mhznot at all04:22
mhzthey are really COOL04:22
jsgotangcodunno about the budet really04:22
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mhzhmm04:23
jsgotangco=)04:25
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mhzneurogeek: hi there04:33
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mhzogra: jsgotangco: juliux: http://www.openpuppets.com/en/amigos/ubu.html04:33
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mhzogra: so you met ThomasWaldemann in umeet. Good IRC talk you gave, IMHO04:59
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mhzand thanks for mentioning my effort for LA people04:59
claudehi just a question05:00
claudeon https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuCDPrintingPlans, there is a project of sending 10000 6.04 edubuntu CDs05:00
mhzyes05:01
mhziirc05:01
claudeon https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuShippingPlans, there is only 8000 5.10 CDs ??05:01
mhzyes05:01
mhzand they were never shipped05:01
mhzwe are crossing fingers (at least me) to have those 6.04 in the budget05:01
claudethese 2 pages should be synchronized05:03
mhzgood point05:03
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lucasvohttp://www.netsupportschool.com/standard_features.htm <this tool looks good, I will update the wikipage: TeacherTool05:04
jsgotangcogood night05:05
jsgotangcoyawn05:05
ogralucasvo, nice tool, but win only ...05:07
ogramhz, yes, i met him, nie guy... and thanks, was fun to hold the talk05:07
ogra*nice05:08
mhzogra: there's MoinMoin Desktop edition05:08
mhzany chances we can include it?05:08
mhzand what should i do if accepted?05:09
ograif it gets packaged ...05:09
ogragive me a link05:09
mhzMMDE = works out of the box (tar.zg)05:09
mhzokis05:09
mhzw805:09
mhzand it is meant for /home05:09
mhzI once tried to make it sync easily with standard server edition05:10
mhzand rsynced did the job but it was not ideal05:10
ograis it something like tiddlywiki ? 05:11
mhzhehehehe, no idea05:11
mhzit is Moin for /home05:11
ogratiddlywiki is cool for local stuff05:11
ograyeah, sounds similar05:12
mhz(M$, PPC, and *NIX versions)05:12
mhzand it runs with no need of apache05:12
mhz:8000 IIRC05:12
vincenziohi05:12
mhzhi05:12
ogralook at this http://www.tiddlywiki.com/05:13
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mhz:D05:13
lucasvoogra: exactly...05:15
mhzogra: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/DesktopEdition05:15
ograbut some good ideas we could adopt as plugins for s-c-p05:15
lucasvoogra: that's why I add it to the wiki. so people can see what one could add to scp05:16
lucasvoogra: I was too slow :D05:16
ograheh05:16
ogramhz, how safe is it ? 05:17
mhz'safe' ?05:17
ogralooks like it opens  port 05:17
mhzI can ask xorAxAx (ThomasWaldemann's right hand) or maybe you could talk to him (german as well) as he is the Mr. MMDE 05:18
mhz:)05:18
ograits just, if it runs in your home and there is a security hole its far more dangerous than running in a protected area of the filesystem where you cant access userdata05:19
mhzinstalling MMDE would gimme the chance to give better Moin-School05:19
mhzyup05:19
ograand itstricky to package such stuff05:20
ograone reason why i never packaged this http://www.grawert.net/software/evonotify/index.html05:20
mhzok, so I'll ask xorAxAx (email) and get back to you once i get answer05:20
lucasvois anybody working on s-c-p atm?05:21
ograthere is a gentoo guy who sent me some stuff, havent looked really deep into it, since he ports it to classic ltsp05:22
ograany contribution is welcome :)05:22
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claudewhat is s-c-p ?05:23
ogralucasvo, feel free to grab it from here with bzr http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/05:23
lucasvoogra: whhow can I contribute?05:23
lucasvoI don't know bzr, is it similar to svn?05:23
ograclaude, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/student-control-panel_shot.png05:23
ogralucasvo, easier 05:23
lucasvoogra: is there something like trac?05:24
ogratrac ? 05:24
claudeogra: thanks05:24
lucasvoogra: trac.edgewall.com05:24
claudedo you know controlaula ?05:24
lucasvoor ronja-svn.wservices.ch05:24
ograyes05:25
ogralucasvo, ah, yes, i know trac05:25
ograbut we use bzr everywhere in ubuntu ... 05:25
ograit will get integrated very deep into launchpad soon05:26
ograclaude, i'm no fan of controlaula05:26
claudewhy?05:26
ograand we couldnt even support it, since its written in gambas05:26
ograi dont like the ui 05:27
ograi wouldnt give it to any teacher05:27
claudeis s-c-p functionnality somewhere similar ?05:28
ograthe target of our TeachersPet spec is to have a tool that is very easy to use and that everyone with basic python knowledge can easily expand through a plugin05:29
ogras-c-p shall become the core component for TeachersPet one day ...05:29
ograthe target is to design it "right" first and then enhance it05:30
ograit should be a tool a arts or biology teacher can easily use without the need to read a handbook ...05:30
claudeok05:31
ograbut it should become very powerful in the end through plugins ...05:32
lucasvoogra: is there any otpion to select wm on ldm login?05:33
ogralucasvo, nope, not yet05:33
ograits prepared to add sessions to ldm ... 05:34
ograand the backend code supports already that you executecustomized commands on the server ..05:34
ograinstead of the default Xsession05:35
lucasvoogra: hm, will it work for dapper?05:35
ograthe session stuff ? its not in my focus currently ... so i cant make promises as long as no other contributors step up05:36
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lucasvoogra: how can I pull your bzr archiv??05:36
ograbzr get 05:37
ograinstall bzr and just run: bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/05:37
ograto get recent changes you then only run "bzr pull" in the source directory without any url 05:38
lucasvook05:38
ograif you made changes you run bzr commit -m'description what you changed', copy the dir to a webserver and notify me ... i can simply run bzr merge and your changes get merged05:39
lucasvo(student-control-panel:30765): libglade-WARNING **: could not find glade file '/usr/share/student-control-panel/student-control-panel.glade'05:39
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ograyes, its already packaged, so it looks for the files in the install dir ...05:40
lucasvoah ook05:40
ograchange it in the code ...05:40
lucasvoI changed it05:40
ograthere might be other occurences of the path ...05:40
ograit should have a try: and except: construct to fall back to a local glade file05:41
lucasvooh no05:42
lucasvoogra: I will try to add it05:42
lucasvoogra: hm, so how do you do it?05:42
ograhave a look at the theme engine stuff here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/fixes/client/greeters/gtk05:43
lucasvoogra: do you have it installed in /usr/share05:43
ograthe package installs it there, yes05:44
ogra(there is a package in dapper)05:44
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claudeogra: is s-c-p limited to ltsp ?05:45
ograyes05:45
claudewhat about a class with workstations ?05:46
ograthats its only target05:46
lucasvoI think, one should define a variabl th path defined where the package is05:46
lucasvoogra: I can't find the package05:46
ograclaude, thats something for a plugin 05:46
ograclaude, but very very hard to do in a afe and correct way ...05:47
claudeyes, but very very useful :-)05:47
ograand we dont target mass workstation setups yet05:47
mhz_cookogra: xorAxAx is in #moin, could you ask your doubts there?05:47
ograthat will come in dapper+1 or +205:47
mhz_cookplease05:47
lucasvoogra: what's the name of the package?05:47
ogralucasvo, guess :)05:47
lucasvoogra: E: Couldn't find package teacher-control-panel05:48
lucasvoah it is students05:48
ograhehe, you want the students to control their teacher ? 05:48
lucasvoit is a controlpanel for teachers05:48
ograwould be fun to give them something to defend their login ....05:48
ograclassroom wars !!05:49
lucasvolet's do a dos to the teachers client!05:49
lucasvoDoS05:49
ograheh05:49
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lucasvoI don't like the logo :D05:50
ogramake a better one :P05:50
lucasvoogra: yes I will05:51
ogra:)05:52
ogramhz_cook, that still wouldnt solve the packaging problem ...05:52
mhz_cookogra: sure, but that i can help05:54
ograredesign ubuntu ? 05:54
mhz_cookbut the most important issue here is security ,afaik05:55
ograits a design proble,05:55
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mhz_cookhehehe, why a design problem?05:55
ograa .deb installs systemwide, you cant install in homedirs ...05:55
mhz_cookhmmm05:55
ograindeed one could make a package that puts tar.gz in /usr/doc or something ... 05:56
mhz_cookwould that help, then?05:56
ograbut then you can even use the tgz directly05:56
ograso i currently see no point in packaging it 05:56
mhz_cookhmm05:56
mhz_cookgood point05:56
mhz_cookok, then i forget about it05:57
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lucasvoone could write a script which installs it into active dir...05:58
ogratry it...05:59
ogra:)05:59
lucasvoand install source with script05:59
lucasvoI could do better06:00
lucasvothings06:00
lucasvowhere can I find edubuntulog?06:00
lucasvo*logo06:00
ograon the wiki 06:00
lucasvowaa06:02
lucasvogimp is so different from photoshop :(06:03
lucasvohow can I scale an object and keep proportions?06:03
ograi always think the opposite *g*06:03
ograput it on a layer and scale it ...06:04
lucasvoyes I can do that but I still can't lock the proportions06:04
lucasvowhen I press scale06:04
lucasvoI hate the multiwindo system06:05
ograthe scale layer dialog has that on by default06:05
lucasvono06:06
lucasvoit I can't find itah06:06
lucasvoI have horrible lag06:09
lucasvobut now I found it, it is in the layer window06:09
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khermansMy xerver on the clients is running at 800x600, but I want 1024x76806:11
khermansthe Xorg.conf has 1024x768 specified06:11
ograkhermans, the xorg.conf is regenaerated on boot ...06:13
khermansbut it shows 1024 ?06:13
khermanswhy is it not using that6 res?06:13
ograyou need to specify the right horiz sync and vert refresh values in the lts.conf file06:13
khermansi have generic monitor stored06:14
ograbecause your monitor doest report the right values, our xserver only uses the ones it gets reported by the monitor probing on boot ...06:14
ograso you need to override this ...06:15
ograhttp://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams06:15
ograthat needs to go into the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file    06:16
lucasvomy ltsp isn't working anymore :(06:16
khermansheheh06:16
ogralucasvo, whats not working ? 06:16
lucasvoogra: the next-server thingie I think06:16
ogradid you try to add it to the config ? 06:17
lucasvoyes06:17
ograwith the right IP ?06:17
ograand didnt forget the semicolon ? 06:18
lucasvono06:18
ograthen i dont see how it should be the error06:18
lucasvo        next-server 192.168.1.1;06:19
lucasvo        filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";06:19
ograthats fine06:19
ograso where does the booting stop ? 06:20
lucasvoNo IP address06:20
ograyou r client doesnt get one ? 06:20
lucasvothis is what it says06:20
ograthats not related06:21
ograis your dhcpd running ? 06:21
lucasvohow can I find out/06:21
lucasvoyes it is06:21
lucasvoI even tried06:21
ogranext-server would be an issue if it boots half way and reports rootserver=0.0.0.0 just before it drops you to a shell06:22
ograand your prob sounds like it happens before booting at all06:23
ograwhich rather indicates that dhcpd isnt running or other parts of the config are wrong06:23
lucasvohttp://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/Screenshot.png06:23
lucasvoogra: I get dhcp if I boot with livecd on client06:24
ograthat shot looks a bit empty ...06:24
lucasvoogra: why should it be stuffed full?06:25
ograbecause else we could omit it completely ...06:25
lucasvoI think one can omit it06:25
ograyes, but i'd find it boring ...06:25
lucasvowhy, there will be soon more buttons, which take up space06:26
lucasvofor e.g. Blank...06:26
ograits a nice place to add a buttonbar later06:26
ograblank ??06:26
lucasvoBlank (screen)06:26
lucasvoBlank (screens)06:26
ograwhich screen ? 06:26
lucasvopupils screen06:26
ograhmmm06:27
lucasvomy stupid dhcp server :(06:27
ograpost your /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf to pastebin06:28
lucasvo/etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf should be in /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf06:29
ogranope06:29
ogradont ever touch that file06:30
lucasvowhich one?06:30
ograthe latter 06:30
lucasvowhy?06:30
lucasvoit is standard dhcp file06:30
ograbecause its not used06:30
lucasvoand I want to use it06:30
lucasvocrap!06:30
lucasvoso you mean, I couldn't use webmin?06:30
ograthats not how ubunti ltsp works06:30
ograwebmin? *shudder*06:30
lucasvoyou are making things more difficult than they already are06:31
lucasvo I couldn't ... :D06:31
lucasvobut there are other quite good interfaces for administration 06:31
ograhttp://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup06:31
lucasvowhy can't you move to file to it's standard location?06:31
ograbecause that would break the dhcpd package06:32
lucasvowhy?06:32
lucasvoI don't want to use edubuntu integrated dhcp server06:32
ograyou would break it for other users that dont use ltsp06:32
lucasvo...06:32
lucasvowhat would break?06:32
ograthats fine, uninstall ltsp-server-stadalone and you are fine 06:33
ograif yu want to use an external dhcpd, ltsp-server is all you want06:33
lucasvohttp://pastebin.com/46547406:33
ograbut then i cant hel you much ...06:33
ograso you are giving a dynamic ip to your own server ? 06:34
lucasvono 06:35
ograyes06:35
ograyou do with this file ...06:35
ograyour server is 192.168.1.106:35
lucasvoyes06:35
lucasvoit is06:35
ograyour range starts at 192.168.1.006:35
ograso youre giving      awaythis ip to clients06:35
lucasvoeth2      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:08:A1:6F:30:8F06:35
lucasvo          inet addr:192.168.1.1  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.006:35
ograwhich results in the same ip twice in the net ....06:36
ogramake it: range 192.168.1.10 192.168.1.255;06:37
lucasvohm, I never had this problem06:37
lucasvowith old ltsp06:37
ograthats not a ltsp problem, but a misconfigured dhcp ...06:37
ograit doesnt mean it *must* happen06:37
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lucasvohm, mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory06:38
ograwhats above ? 06:38
lucasvorootserver:192.168.1.1 rootpath: /opt/ltsp/i38606:38
lucasvomount: I/O error 06:38
lucasvoshort read: 0 < 2806:39
ograinetd is running on the server ? 06:39
ograand nfs ?06:39
ograyes, inetd is apparently running, you got the initrd ...06:39
lucasvo * Starting internet superserver...                                                                                                                   [fail] 06:39
ograoh06:39
ograhow did it get the kernel then ? 06:39
lucasvoah06:39
lucasvoI did start 06:39
lucasvoafter restart it works06:40
spacey_kiinetd is only used for tftpd by default i think06:40
ograah06:40
ograyup06:40
ograbut tftpd gives you kernel and initrd.img06:40
lucasvoworks all fine06:40
ograif he is at this stage, he has both already06:40
spacey_ki<lucasvo> hm, mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory06:41
spacey_kisame error i had :P06:41
lucasvoit has also problem wiht /proc06:41
lucasvospacey_ki: on dapper?06:41
spacey_kinope06:41
ogralucasvo, no wonder, since you rebuilt your chroot several times :)06:42
spacey_kii'll try dapper tomorrow06:42
lucasvoso what should I do ?06:42
lucasvo:D06:42
ogradoes it work ? 06:42
lucasvoogra: what?06:42
lucasvoit doesn't wofk06:42
ograyour client ? you said above it wors all fine 06:42
ogra<lucasvo> works all fine06:43
lucasvoI mean tftp, nfs, portmap ...06:43
lucasvobut not the client06:43
lucasvo /proc/sys and /proc06:43
ograthe nfsmounting fails somehow ...06:43
lucasvoshort read: 0 < 2806:43
lucasvowhat's this?06:44
ograa meesage from one of the initramfs scripts 06:44
ogragrep for it if you like 06:44
ogrado you have a line for proc in /mnt/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab06:44
ogra?06:44
ogra(there should be only one )06:45
lucasvoproc /proc proc defaults 0 006:46
ografine06:46
lucasvoDD(only one)06:46
ograthats how it should be ...06:46
ogracan you mount the nfs dir from another machine ? 06:47
lucasvoogra: how?06:47
ogramount06:47
lucasvocan I mount it from the server or via livecd?06:47
lucasvohow can I mount nfs?06:47
ogralivecd from the client machine should work06:47
lucasvoogra: exact command?06:48
ograsudo mount 192.168.1.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 /mnt06:48
lucasvoI'll give it a try06:49
lucasvoogra: how long does it take to mount?06:54
ograsome seconds max ...06:54
ograit will give you a timeout message if it breaks06:54
lucasvohm, ok06:55
lucasvoI am still waiting06:55
ogralooks like your nfs isnt working then 06:55
ograas i said in the beginning ;)06:55
lucasvohah06:56
lucasvonow it is working I think06:56
lucasvoyup06:56
lucasvols /mount gives me bin, boot, dev, home, initrd, media, opt, mnt, proc, root, sbin, srv, tmp, usr, var06:56
lucasvoI mean /mnt06:56
ograhmm, there is still something wrong with your nfs server if it takes this long 06:57
lucasvowhat? :DE06:57
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mhz_cooklucasvo: keep pressing either ctrl or shift (i dont remember)07:25
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da5id_hi edubuntu people07:51
Burgworksalut07:52
da5id_I was wondering if there are any edubuntu people in germany?07:54
ograda5id_, up07:56
ograerr, yup07:56
da5id_hi ogra07:56
da5id_apart from you of course :-)07:56
da5id_did you get my email?07:56
ograi met some at th eessener linuxtage07:56
da5id_yes07:57
ograoh, yes ...07:57
da5id_I was wondering if you and other people engaged with edubuntu would like to meet the skolelinux.de people?07:57
da5id_everybody is welcome07:57
ograi can make it rather at the end of feb ...07:57
ograso probably 25/6 might work07:58
da5id_that is fine07:58
ograbut no promises yet07:58
da5id_march would be possible too07:58
da5id_what ever suits you and your schedule best07:58
ograarch will be high time for me, we have our relese at the beginning of april07:59
ogra*march07:59
da5id_we also have a new years party :-)07:59
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da5id_hi h3p08:00
da5id_:-)08:00
da5id_would you like to give us a presentation on edubuntu?08:01
h3phi dave08:02
ograsure, why not ? 08:02
da5id_I also plan to invite Carsten Neuhaus (developer of Kalzium) and Christian Kuelker (developer of CipUx) will be there08:02
ogragreat :)08:03
da5id_so I hope it will be an interesting meeting with lots of input for software to package08:03
da5id_ogra: can you email me as soon as possible about which weekend would be ok for you?08:04
ograyup, will do ...08:05
da5id_ogra: I try to plan everything else around that08:05
da5id_:-)08:05
ograi'm just poking several other ubuntu guys, if someone is intrested first08:05
da5id_also everybody else from ubuntu and edubuntu or just interested in free software is welcome08:05
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da5id_ogra: thanks! I apreciate.08:07
ograme too :)08:07
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lucasvomhz: what do you mean?08:20
mhz?08:20
mhzthe keys? oh, for gimp08:20
lucasvomhz: aha, I tried it, it didn't work, you have to set it in the layers window I think08:24
lucasvoogra: how can I test my nfs?08:24
lucasvoah now it worked!08:26
lucasvocool08:26
lucasvo/etc/rcS.d/S32ltsp-client-setup: line 137: X_MODE: command not found08:27
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mhzogra: sorry for that flood08:34
lucasvo * Starting kernel log daemon... start-stop-daemon: nothing in /proc - not mounted? (Success)08:44
lucasvo                                                                                                                                                      [fail] 08:44
lucasvochroot /opt/ltsp/i386 && apt-get distupgrade ^^^08:45
Burgworkogra, should I move TeachersPet to StudentControlPanel ?08:46
Burgworkmhz, I have some spanish text for you to translate08:46
mhz?08:47
Burgworkmhz, was speaking with somebody yesterday and they were spanish08:49
mhzoh08:49
mhzand what is you need to translate (or want to translate)?08:50
Burgworkcan I fire you there email?08:50
mhzsure08:50
Burgworkmhz@ubuntu.com?08:50
mhzI commit to read it first b4 I can tell you I can translate it08:50
mhzBurgwork: now that you mention it... I guess I have one but I have not been told about it08:51
mhzBurgwork: mhz AT tecnocimiento DOT cl should work too08:51
lucasvoBurgwork: you mean the argente87? could you cc it to me?08:54
lucasvoBurgwork: lucasvo____@____gmx____.ch08:54
Burgworklucasvo, yes I will08:55
lucasvoBurgwork: thanks08:55
Burgworksent08:56
lucasvogot it08:56
lucasvo * No existe un control o una evaluacin de los alumnos < this is interesting08:58
lucasvois it correct translated?: there isn't any way how to control or evaluate(survey) the students?08:59
mhzah,,,, you want a version!09:02
Burgworkwe were talking about student control panel09:02
mhztranslation = foreign lang. into mother tongue09:03
Burgworkand how he uses a similar aplpication09:03
mhzversion = mother tongue into foreign lang09:03
Burgworkyes09:03
lucasvomhz: is this correct I wrote? ^^^^09:03
mhzyup09:03
mhzyou can always edit a little bit09:03
mhzbut it is good09:03
lucasvobecause I found a program who does exactly that09:04
lucasvobut on winxp09:04
lucasvohttp://www.netsupportschool.com/testing.htm09:04
lucasvolet's add it to the wiki...09:04
Burgworkthat is somewhat outside  the scope of student control panel09:05
Burgworkwhat student control panel needs to the generic ability to start any app09:05
mhzlucasvo: the problem is that in no context, it is good but I bet my chilean butt that in a context, that text will lead to a diff meaning09:05
Burgworkmaybe even locking the other applications09:05
lucasvoyes it is, but it should be added there, maybe I will write that down^09:06
mhzlucasvo: Burgwork: because '' no existe control...'' is meaning we have no element to use in order to control ....09:06
Burgworkhow about this idea: "Ability to darken screen and display only one application, which the students cannot exit out of"09:06
lucasvoBurgwork: yes09:07
Burgworkthat allows the teacher to show a test module and force the students to take it09:07
lucasvoand this app could be firefox with moodle inside :D09:07
Burgworksure09:07
Burgworklucasvo, you adding that netsupport school app to the wiki?09:08
Burgworknow we just need more users of these apps to tell us what they like/dislike about them09:08
lucasvoBurgwork: yes, as a list of templates for this software09:09
lucasvoreferences09:09
lucasvohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeachersPet09:09
Burgworkcan you add this one too?09:10
Burgworkhttp://www.crossteccorp.com/netopschool/09:10
Burgworkand http://www.kvm-switches-online.com/minicom-aristoclass.html09:10
lucasvois anybody able to code in python?09:11
Burgworkwhy?09:12
Burgworkthere are a number of hardware solutions for this problem as well09:12
lucasvofor python?09:13
Burgworkno, the problem of control students computesr09:14
Burgworkscp is written in pygtk because we are all a little python mad around here09:15
Burgworkgood little look at netop09:16
Burgworkhttp://www.loughborough.ac.uk/computing/labs/netop.html09:16
lucasvoBurgwork: you can add it as well :D09:18
lucasvoI added only the link 09:18
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Burgworklucasvo, just the link is fine09:22
mhzlucasvo: can you use that app. you mentioned to version this, please:  Este punto sera el que ms trabajara. La posibilidad de realizar09:22
mhzevaluaciones y recogida de datos de manera instantnea, algo parecido09:22
mhza los mdulos de moodle.09:22
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lucasvomhz: I only speak italiano and french09:25
mhzyup09:26
mhzno problem09:26
mhzbut it would be cool (for translating knowledge) to compare that paragraph 09:26
mhzusing the tool you mentioned09:26
lucasvoif there are enough similiarities I understand it but this is too difficult09:26
lucasvousing the tool?09:27
mhzoh, lucasvo you were not using a tool? or app?09:27
lucasvoehm no, only my head09:27
lucasvoehm, I am learning italian and french, I know a little latin so it is not that difficult09:28
mhzohhh, wow! excellent head!!!09:28
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lucasvomhz: ah, I meant the surveys he wan'ts09:28
lucasvowant's09:28
mhzlucasvo: impressive09:28
mhzvery good09:29
lucasvoI am still in my teenages, learning all day and night...09:29
lucasvomhz: http://www.netsupportschool.com/testing.htm09:29
mhzlucasvo: Burgwork: I am sure in a Spanish distro I heard they have something like that 'classroom-control'09:32
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Burgworkmhz, k12ltsp has something that is crap09:34
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mhzhmm, proably right. Only next week I'll be able to have a client to test a lab environment09:35
mhzso before that, all is theory to me09:35
lucasvoI need to learn python09:36
Burgworklucasvo, not that hart09:36
lucasvoso that I can push development of s-c-p a littlebit forward 09:37
Burgworkhard, even09:37
mhzlucasvo: do you manage a lang. already?09:37
lucasvoBurgwork: hm, I think I will read the python code of s-c-p09:37
lucasvomhz: only php09:37
mhzlucasvo: so python will be a piece of cake to you09:38
Burgworklucasvo, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/09:38
lucasvothe problem is I will also have to learn gtk and glade09:38
lucasvoBurgwork: I already have local checkout09:38
mhzread a small book called "How to think like a computer scientist, from Python"09:38
lucasvomhz: ebook?09:39
Burgworkdive into python is already shipped on your machine, provided you have ubuntu09:39
mhzhmmm, pdf good? lucasvo ?09:39
mhzBurgwork: does this make sense to you?: "Shared browsing"09:40
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lucasvomhz: yes09:41
lucasvomhz: I know what you mean with shared browsing09:45
lucasvomhz: I already wrote something about that in the wiki09:45
mhzbut what exactly that means?09:46
lucasvomhz: see -> TeachersPet09:47
mhzwhat kind of browsing?09:47
mhzI am :)09:47
lucasvoGuided webbrowsing: allows the teacher to guide pupils to a webpage on their pc.09:47
mhzduh!09:47
lucasvoanother program has the same feauture09:47
mhzthen it is Shared Webpages browsing09:47
mhzotherwise, i could also say Shared System Brwosing09:48
lucasvoI translated it wit guided webbrowsing09:48
lucasvoBurgwork: is vnc working for you?09:50
lucasvoBurgwork: I mean in s-c-p09:50
mhzyup, that makes sense too09:50
Burgworklucasvo, haven't tried it09:52
Burgworkscp I mean09:53
lucasvoBurgwork: could you try?09:53
lucasvoTraceback (most recent call last):09:53
lucasvo  File "student-control-panel", line 48, in <lambda>09:53
lucasvo    self.vnc.connect("clicked", lambda w: self.vnc_conn(treeselection))09:53
lucasvo  File "student-control-panel", line 240, in vnc_conn09:53
lucasvo    pid = vnc.pid09:53
lucasvoAttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'pid'09:53
lucasvoI get this output... but I don't understand the sourcecode09:53
Burgworklucasvo, currently at work where i have no access to an edubuntu install09:54
lucasvoBurgwork: where are you from?09:55
mhzBurgwork: can a software have 'ability' to do something09:56
Burgworkmhz, probably would call it a feature09:57
mhzme too09:57
Burgworklucasvo, Victoria, BC, Canada09:57
mhzany sinonym?09:58
BurgworkI work for these people --> www.userful.com09:58
Burgworkmhz, ability == feature09:58
mhzhehehe, ok09:58
mhzlucasvo: any email address i can send my version to ?10:08
lucasvomhz: lucasv__@__gmx__.ch10:10
lucasvooh wrong10:10
lucasvomhz: lucasvo__@__gmx__.ch10:10
mhzokis10:10
lucasvothx10:11
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mhzlucasvo: Burgwork: mail is happily traveling to your inbox10:12
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lucasvosince I moved to ubuntu from debian, I didn't configure my cool exim with direct filtering on IMAP 10:13
mhzlucasvo: me is still ignorant on that too. Exim or postfix have not been set on this laptop10:14
lucasvois it a sin to use server as a workstation?10:14
mhzBurgwork: userful.com looks good. On which env. do that work?10:14
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lucasvoopteron?>10:15
mhzsin? hmmm, it depends on what the workstation does10:15
lucasvoit is just insecure I think10:16
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mhzBurgwork: nevermind, I already saw the 'linux' part :)10:19
Burgworkmhz, we build DiscoverStation on Fedora Core 4, but you can use the multi-headed bit on just about any modern distro, including Ubuntu10:19
Burgworkmhz, thanks for the translation10:19
mhzBurgwork: very similar to what we're trying to do in Tecnocimiento10:19
lucasvoAMD Opteron 165, Dual Core, 1800MHz, 64Bit, BOX < is this good?10:20
mhznp10:20
mhzlucasvo: i can't give opinion on that10:20
Burgworkmhz, there may be some work that you might care about coming out in the next moth10:20
Burgworklucasvo, dapper edbuntu will do 64 bit servers and 32 bit clients, I think10:21
lucasvoBurgwork: that's cool10:21
mhzBurgwork: what kind of work?10:21
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lucasvoBurgwork: but than I have these problems with flash only on 32bit10:21
Burgworkmhz, http://openuserful.org/10:22
Burgworklucasvo, true but blame macromedia, not the edubuntu team10:24
Burgworkmhz, lucasvo the translated stuff on the wiki. Thanks a great deal mhz 10:24
lucasvoBurgwork: of course10:24
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mhzlucasvo: I felt so radical when I decided to move from OSX and Apple biz model (I was a partner)  into Gnu/Linux freedom.. but I understood that every freedom comes with a price.10:27
lucasvomy school has mac10:27
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lucasvomhz: out of what?10:28
mhzBurgwork: no problem, I enjoyed translating tech stuff (maybe the only subject i like to translate)10:28
mhzlucasvo: I made money from working using Flash10:28
Burgworkmhz, our entire login screen in DiscoverStation is done in flash, a fact which I discovered to my horror yesterday10:29
mhzand from helping apple dealers in chile10:29
mhzBurgwork: LOL! and terrified!10:29
lucasvomhz: aha10:30
lucasvoI actually quite like apple HW10:31
mhzme too10:31
lucasvoespecially the design10:31
lucasvoand the simplyness :D10:31
lucasvoI have an iBook, I don't know any better small notebook10:31
lucasvomaybe powerbook?10:31
mhzlucasvo: but that hardware is also forcing you to use other Apple HW if the first machine neds to be recovered10:33
mhzlucasvo: i really understand and like the design10:33
mhzlucasvo: my point was (when I decided to be radical) that if I had an Audi and had a problem with it, and to solve that problem I was forced to have access to  another Audi, then even the HW development model was as invasive as M$10:36
mhzlucasvo: and a better small notebook could be a Fujitsu Siemens and a Toshiba Libretto (the one I would love to have)10:37
lucasvoLibretto? the jewelcase size one/10:37
lucasvo?10:37
mhzeven a Sharp!10:37
mhzi guess.10:38
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lucasvoexactly10:44
lucasvoit also has to be cheap10:44
lucasvohttp://www.deltacomputer.de/produkte/cluster/D80z.shtml < something like this :D10:46
lucasvothat would be a freakin ltsp server10:46
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mhzwow!, lucasvo that looks like a real server10:52
mhzhttp://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez/BooksToRead  lucasvo 10:54
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lucasvomhz: thanks11:06
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agente87hi lucasvo11:27
lucasvohi agente87 11:27
mhzhi agente87 11:28
agente87one question, how can i decompress an ace archive?11:34
lucasvoace?11:35
lucasvonever heard of it :D11:35
agente87ace, like rar and zip11:35
lucasvoI can't help you, sry11:36
agente87thanks11:36
lucasvoogra: I am missing the powerbutton in ldm :D11:44
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Burgworkhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression12:00
Burgworkagente87, ^12:01
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fitzwillieAnyone lend a hand to someone trying to install for the first time?12:03

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