[12:05] one user per client [12:06] and share a folder? [12:06] agente87: yes [12:07] but, i will try the other configuration with other classroom === Nytryx [n=Nytryx@nc-71-52-152-29.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:07] and older classroom [12:07] agente87: which one? [12:07] MHZ! [12:07] i have some PII, nobody want to use them [12:08] are they too slow? [12:08] agente87: they would probably be excellent clients for ltsp [12:09] 128 MB per client [12:09] hm, 25x100.- for windows license and you would have a really neat server [12:09] agente87: yes [12:11] http://www.edebenet.com/esp/presentacion/profesor.htm [12:11] this is the software i have mentioned [12:11] with this program i can control my pupils === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu [12:12] ogra__, I like the terms "Observe Desktop" and "Control Desktop" for our buttons [12:12] ogra__, having seen the link that agente87 just put up [12:12] agente87: with ltsp there is some app like this [12:13] agente87: Burgwork is talking about it, Teacher Control Panel [12:13] agente87, it is called student control panel and it is in the beginnings fo developement [12:13] agente87, so tell us what drives you nuts and what you like about thaht program [12:13] best to email edubuntu-devel with that informatin [12:13] it will be released in april 06 I think [12:13] it needs more people to work on it [12:14] ogra__, do the errors i paste before sound familiar? [12:14] brb [12:14] Burgwork: I would like to help, but I neither know python nor glade [12:16] lucasvo, do you use a similar application currently? Can you help with finding out how teachers actually use it? [12:16] Burgwork: I only know apple remote desktop [12:16] lucasvo, ah ok. I am looking for people who actually use what agente87 uses [12:17] i'm using it with my pupils (from 6 to 12) [12:18] Burgwork: but what I know from there is: a list with users and what programm is active(on top of desktop) [12:18] Burgwork: it is quite usefull [12:18] Burgwork: than, a function to blan all screens would be useful [12:18] *blank [12:18] [12:18] yes it very usefull [12:18] Transmite el contenido de la pantalla del profesor a los PC de los alumnos seleccionados. [12:19] joer de donde eres? [12:19] ogra__ [12:19] ^^^ stream video from teacher pc to all pupil pcs [12:19] agente87: I don't understand what you say [12:19] ogra_ [12:19] ogra__ [12:19] sorry, i thought you can speak spanish [12:19] Nytryx: ogra isn't there [12:19] damn! [12:19] ty [12:19] agente87: I know a little bit italiano [12:20] agente87: and french [12:20] yes, i can start programs and navigation [12:20] ok bbl [12:20] agente87: so if there are engough similarities I understand it [12:20] you can guide all pupils pcs through a web page [12:21] Burgwork: you understand spanish? [12:21] http://www.redianet.com/img/pantallazo2.gif [12:21] lucasvo, nope [12:21] ^^^ there is a similar view on apple remote desktop [12:21] i do [12:22] hmm, looks interested [12:22] Burgwork: I can help you translate [12:22] ing [12:22] Burgwork: is there any public wiki page? [12:22] for ptc? [12:22] TeacherTool [12:22] Burgwork: I will add feautures there [12:23] what do you want to translate? [12:23] Locked Page [12:23] agente87: feautures it has [12:23] agente87: feautures ubuntu should have [12:24] Burgwork: I can't edit the wiki page [12:24] lucasvo, you need to login first [12:24] Burgwork: ah ok [12:25] add your screenshot as well as thge one from agente87 [12:25] Burgwork: ok [12:27] they are very similar [12:27] !!!! [12:28] i will try to translate [12:28] agente87: just post it here if you don't want to make a launchpad account [12:28] agente87, we need teachers to be able to tell us and maybe even show us how they use these pieces of software so that scp is the best there is [12:29] I a theacher, i teach childrens in the mormings and their parents, in the evening [12:29] I use it as a proyector [12:30] what we need is basically "When student does X, I do X" or "When I want to do X, I do Y" [12:30] my screen can be watched in my pupils monitor [12:30] and "The most common 5 things I do are ..." [12:31] ok [12:31] agente87, email me at corey.burger@gmail.com [12:31] and I will format and send on the edubuntu-devel list [12:31] Burgwork: how should I name the paragraph? :D [12:32] lucasvo, Similar programs [12:35] lucasvo, sorry, edit TeachersPet === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [12:37] hi ogra [12:47] Burgwork: added some contents [12:48] Burgwork: but I want that picture to be a link, how can I do that? [12:48] no idea but don't worry about it [12:48] great work and thanks [12:48] having them all inline makes for easy viewing [12:49] Burgwork: but it may be problem because of copyright [12:49] lucasvo, screenshots are fairuse and we only link [12:50] lucasvo, I have sent you a test mail [12:52] agente87: to which addreass? or do you mean Burgwork? [12:52] maybe [12:52] sorry [12:52] agente87, yes I go tit [12:53] redianet added as well [12:53] I go no [12:53] cu [12:53] lucasvo, cheers and thanks again [12:54] Burgwork: please contact me if there is something I can do... [12:54] Burgwork: like draw symbols, write docs, test ... [12:54] lucasvo, ok [12:56] Hello again. I'd like some advice about performance on older hardware: i've installed workstation on a P6-233 with 256MB RAM. It's slow and sluggish as hell. How to improve that? This box will be going to a preschool child who will never do anything but play games on it. [12:57] lucasvo : how can i help? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [12:57] John_at_LMi, you just have a workstation? [12:58] agente87, you looking to speak to me? [12:58] jajajaja, [12:59] yes, i think i have to improve my english, sorry [12:59] np [12:59] your english is better than my spanish [01:00] i have tried edebenet and it is very usefull, a bit slow if you use more than 800 X 600 [01:02] Burgwork: yes, just the one machine, which i installed as a workstation. [01:04] agente87, do you think you could send an email in spanish about what you liked/disliked about edebenet and how you would improve that? We have some spanish users so they can translate into english if that is something you don't think you can do [01:06] yes, i'm trying to write it in english [01:06] agente87, cheers [01:06] if it too bad i will make it in spanish ;-D [01:07] ok [01:09] i have send you the most usefull features [01:11] thanks [01:11] some of the things you mention are not actually on the feature list yet [01:11] agente87, are there other teachers you know that use similar software? [01:15] yes i was going to tell you now [01:16] teachers in my work [01:16] i have send you a second message, but in spanish [01:17] i have said, that the program may have a evaluation method [01:17] agente87, I will pass both these messages on to the edubuntu-devel mailing list, if that is ok [01:17] like moodle [01:17] hmm [01:17] may i join the mailing list, if you want some help [01:17] that is somewhat outside the scope of teacher tool [01:17] agente87, taht would be great [01:18] where can i sign? [01:19] http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel [01:26] Anyone else have general advice on how to improve performance on older hardware? For exmaple, how to turn off unneeded services? [01:27] well see you, [01:27] good night [01:27] agente87, cheers [01:27] John_at_LMi, there isn't much you can do beyond changing your default desktop [01:27] John_at_LMi, install xubuntu-desktop and then use that [01:28] would i still be able to use gcompris and other games that run under GDM? [01:30] yes [01:30] you would just be using xfce and not gnome [01:36] alright, i'll try installing xubuntu-desktop. Can i do that from the Synaptic Package Manger? [01:37] hmm [01:37] should be able to [01:37] if so it's not obvious. Perhaps using apt-get? [01:38] same repos [01:38] apt-get and synaptic query the same database [01:39] you need universe enabled === \sh_away is now known as \sh [01:43] lol..universe, eh? assuming that i'm technically savvy and ubuntu-ignorant, what does that mean and how do i do it? === juny [i=www-data@208.195.214.116] has joined #edubuntu [01:46] John_at_LMi, wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto [01:46] thank you, Burgwork. I'll read that and try it now. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [01:58] ok ive converted to ubuntu on my desktop its going to take some serious work to get me to switch on my laptops lol [01:59] well just on my laptop lol [01:59] great OS! === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@210.4.38.43] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@132-181-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === \sh is now known as \sh_away === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [02:46] Alright, i've enabled universe and installed xubuntu-desktop; any other tips for improving performance on an older machine? [02:47] I've also just installed bum and am poking at it now. === shmooz_ [n=shmooz@H142.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:04] http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~scott/software/bzrk-diff.png what editor is this ?? o is part of bazaar ? === RichiH [i=richih@freenode/staff/richih] has joined #edubuntu === chris [n=chris@p54A5586E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.131.253] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [04:30] alright, my install is done. [04:30] thank you various folks for the help. [04:32] John_at_LMi: glad you could do it! [04:32] wlecome to the club! [04:32] :) [04:35] just for your curiosity: i'm a Mac geek and part-time Windows & FreeBSD geek at a small ISP. I had an extra old box, and i saw a craigslist ad from a family that wanted a machine for their 4 yr old. So, I'd just read that review in Linux Journal, and i decided what the hell, i'll give it a shot. [04:38] heehhe [04:38] isn't couriosity just wonderful [04:41] hm === kferdous [i=ivan@ool-182e6280.dyn.optonline.net] has left #edubuntu [] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [05:02] hm [05:02] hm [05:04] ll === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === shmooz [n=shmooz@H142.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.32.253] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-87-69-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [07:38] highvoltage: hi there. [07:41] highvoltage: how can I get access to or include an image at a LP description on LP team page? === aya [n=yann@cav13-3-82-234-224-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.32.253] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #edubuntu === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.34] has joined #edubuntu [10:02] sorry about missing the meeting yesterday guys [10:02] hey JaneW how are you? [10:03] was feeling really awful, I thought I'd lie down for 20 minutes and fell asleep for 4 hours! [10:03] then you must have needed it :) [10:03] JaneW: Hope you feel better today [10:07] jsgotangco: MUCH better today thanks. [10:07] JaneW, i wonder though if you'll be part of AsiaBusinessTour [10:07] probably not [10:07] :( [10:08] JaneW, do you know Hande? [10:10] I have heard of Hande but not met him/her... [10:10] JaneW, yeah i don't know if Hande is a he/she [10:10] i received email from him/her === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-87-69-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #edubuntu [] === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084ECBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-87-69-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === shift_ is now known as shift === irvin [n=irvin@202.138.170.117] has joined #edubuntu [01:08] Burgwork: did you forward mails to eduuntu-devel already? === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.100.252] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-148-187.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is waking up [01:28] JaneW: hi. I am glad you're feeling betta [01:29] JaneW: you can bet that next time you feel bad, Mr. Edubuntu can do very good job in the role of ograW :) [01:29] oooh good to hear [01:30] not that I had any doubt [01:30] the only problem, is that he has no Cakes for us :( [01:30] we'll have to fix that! [01:30] heheh [01:30] has anyone got to test the live cd yet? [01:31] not me, I fell asleep on the couch before I got to start downloading [01:32] and I'll have to wait for a less traffic hour, 'coz my bandwith is not fast at all [01:32] i'm sad, my poor thinclient doesn't work [01:32] irvin, yes [01:32] apart from powerpc, that one is still downloading here === juliux will burn the live cd now [01:36] ppc install will still have the old bug in ltsp, i'm about to fix that here along with the thin-client-memory-usage impelmentation... so only workstation install will work in flight 2 [01:37] but the others are tested and fine ... [01:37] apart from the known bugs indeed ;) [01:38] is schooltool included in the edubuntu cd? [01:38] on 5.10? [01:40] irvin, i have here a prozess named schooltool so i think yes [01:40] looks like sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop does not install it by default [01:41] nope [01:41] its in the edubuntu-server package ;) [01:41] (which is installed in the default, but not the workstation install) [01:42] i see [01:42] neither on the liveCD [01:43] ogra, can you explain me why schooltool needs so much virtual memory ? [01:44] nope [01:44] i didnt do much with it yet ... [01:44] ogra, it needs 130mb that is more as evolution [01:44] its a server ... [01:44] ogra, i didnt do anything with it i only install it [01:45] yup === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.93.32] has joined #edubuntu [01:47] hm very strange [01:48] it runs a webserver ... [01:50] ogra, the livecd boot screen looks very cool [01:50] yup [01:50] thats Kamions work ... === mhz is so much wanting to have livecd to test [01:51] ogra, but it reminds me a little bit on suse [01:51] ogra: then I should present a LiveCd + DVD + Install CD for edubuntu ? any other CD like stuff needed? [01:52] (and for 3 architectures) [01:52] cool the livecd is now fast [01:52] er [01:54] mhz, yes, if its ready ... [01:54] ogra, who has make the livecd? [01:54] the current one is stil very buggy [01:54] yes very buggu [01:54] *y [01:54] lamont makes the livefs and Kamion creates the iso, i do the seeds [01:55] the Applications menu is broken [01:55] an no edubuntu artwork [01:55] as everywhere in dapper [01:55] hehe [01:55] its there, its just enabled in the wrong place, gconf changed [01:55] it was a very good decision to use a cd rw [01:56] heh, yes [01:56] i never use anything else during development ... [01:56] i extra buy a cd rw so i can test the live cd [01:57] bte, the bootscreen is from suse, a suse guy even helped with it [01:57] *btw [01:57] ah ok === mhz BB === spacey [n=herman@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu [02:00] hi [02:00] should /etc/exports contain /opt/ltsp or /opt/ltsp/i386 ? [02:02] the first [02:03] my client doesn't want to boot [02:04] it exists in a busybox shell (initramfs i presume) [02:04] and can't mount stuff [02:04] yup [02:04] mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed [02:04] thats a "bug" in dhcpd 3.0.3 [02:05] aha [02:05] option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; [02:05] next-server 192.168.100.32; [02:05] filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; [02:05] option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; [02:05] add your server ip for next-server in your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [02:05] my config is a bit differnt. [02:06] i'll fix that [02:06] i have the next-server specified [02:06] oh [02:06] then it should work just fine [02:06] next-server 10.101.191.20; [02:06] option root-path "10.101.191.20:/opt/ltsp/i386"; [02:06] if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" [02:06] { [02:06] filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; [02:06] } [02:07] hench the 10.101.191.20 is the terminal server [02:09] the dhcpd is onanother machine. But the dhcp part seems to go well. On the thin client i can see its got the mount info, and apparantly the pxe/tftp part already worked. since initramfs got loaded [02:10] whats set as rootserver ? [02:10] it should be on console 1 [02:11] 10.101.191.20 [02:11] adn the root path is 10.101.191.20:/opt/ltsp/i386 [02:11] like in the config [02:12] hmm, and the nfs server is running as well ? [02:12] yup, i'll test if i can mount the export on another machine [02:12] hold on [02:17] yup mounting 10.101.191.20:/opt/ltsp works [02:17] weird ... [02:17] i had no probs in my install tests here yesterday [02:18] its still breezy btw [02:18] oh [02:19] dapper is next step [02:19] :P [02:19] how does your exports look like ? [02:19] /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async) [02:20] yup [02:20] like that [02:20] ltsp-server added that [02:20] yup [02:20] try to omit rhe ip from the root-path setting ... === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084F55A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@200.93.35.152] has joined #edubuntu [02:24] lets try [02:28] hah [02:28] works ? [02:28] it actually works. Particular. I copied that part from a working LTSP setup [02:29] funny ... [02:29] well at least i get X now [02:29] it shouldnt have any effect [02:29] usually [02:30] ok next step is find out why that login thingy doesn't pop up. ldm was it right? [02:30] yup [02:30] you get X but no ldm ? [02:30] yup [02:30] strange [02:30] thats still breezy ? [02:31] even the chroot ? [02:31] yup [02:32] set a rootpw in the chroot and try to run /ect/init.d/ltsp-client start manually ... [02:32] and have a look at /var/log/ldm.log [02:32] i thought openssh-server was install in the chroot? [02:33] nope [02:33] there is no access possible from the outside [02:33] ah that it was there for some of your fancy toolies [02:34] i only install it to easily scp files between systems [02:34] its not in the default install... and shouldnt be ... [02:36] ctrl alt f1 doesn't respond [02:37] funny === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu [02:39] is this right that the livecd does not contain ltsp? [02:39] ogra: what's the best app. included in edubuntu to get edubuntu liveCd and dapperTest CD ? [02:39] wget? [02:39] (oh, yes, command line would be better appeciated) [02:40] littlepaul, yes, it would be sily to include it there [02:41] *silly [02:41] hm [02:41] mhz, for an initial download wget... else rsync [02:41] littlepaul, it would be nearly unusable [02:42] ogra, so the live cd will only show a client? [02:42] nope, a workstation :P [02:42] hehehe [02:42] yes the behaviour of a client [02:42] ogra, korinten...... [02:42] :P [02:42] ;) [02:43] sorry for the rest but i don't know how to translate it into english [02:43] peanuts ;) [02:47] LOL, oh sure, korinten! [02:51] ogra: can't look in the logs, X starts and then locks itself. but no fear. I'll install openssh server :P [02:51] i'll get myself in [02:52] heh [02:53] maybe it dislikes my acer laptop [02:53] at least i do [02:53] understadable :) [02:55] no ldm log [02:56] but there is an Xorg one [02:56] nothing special though [02:57] what happens if you kill X (and possible instances of ldm or gtk) and run the above command ? [02:57] I could kill it with ssh [02:57] yup [02:57] ldm is not running [02:57] and then /etc/init.d/ltsp-client start [02:58] doesn't get started i guess [02:59] XDM: too many retransmissions, declaring session dead [02:59] thats particular [02:59] at least looks [03:02] ogra: where is ldm suppose to get called? === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084F55A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:06] ah well its probably my laptop, i can try dapper chroot or fix up that crappy duron pc here... and give it another try [03:07] ldm is called from /etc/init.d/ltsp-client [03:07] xdm is broken in breezy [03:09] who wants xdm anyway [03:09] and it shouldnt be install in the chroot at all [03:10] it isn't === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084F55A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:11] think its possible because its a laptop? i heard that happend more often. but can't think of a valid reason. especially because X already started. [03:12] well its obvious X crashed [03:12] i run fine here with my acer [03:12] only mouse pointer works, nothing else responds :o) [03:12] whats nothing else ? [03:12] any keyboard input [03:13] like ctrl alt f1, ctl alt backspace, ctrl alt del [03:13] did you tweak something in your lts.conf ? [03:13] hehe [03:14] don't kill me [03:14] i ran some ltsp toolies which generated some files [03:14] argh [03:14] then you broke it ... [03:14] if you use anything from the ltsp-utils package, you can be sure its broken now [03:15] and get to keep both pieces ;) [03:15] ogra just one word "FAQ" ;) [03:15] worst case iu saw was that it tweaked stuff through /proc and broke the server completely [03:15] nasty [03:15] which results usually in a reinstall ... [03:15] well i'm not that insane.:P [03:16] littlepaul, nah, fixing the bug that these packages exist in main ;) [03:16] i know but as you allready said these packages will remain there because of 4.1 [03:17] but in universe .... [03:17] which is not enabled by default ... [03:17]