[12:05] <lucasvo> one user per client
[12:06] <agente87> and share a folder?
[12:06] <lucasvo> agente87: yes
[12:07] <agente87> but, i will try the other configuration with other classroom
[12:07] <agente87> and older classroom
[12:07] <lucasvo> agente87: which one?
[12:07] <Nytryx> MHZ!
[12:07] <agente87> i have some PII, nobody want to use them
[12:08] <agente87> are they too slow?
[12:08] <lucasvo> agente87: they would probably be excellent clients for ltsp
[12:09] <agente87> 128 MB per client
[12:09] <lucasvo> hm, 25x100.- for windows license and you would have a really neat server
[12:09] <lucasvo> agente87: yes
[12:11] <agente87> http://www.edebenet.com/esp/presentacion/profesor.htm
[12:11] <agente87> this is the software i have mentioned
[12:11] <agente87> with this program i can control my pupils
[12:12] <Burgwork> ogra__, I like the terms "Observe Desktop" and "Control Desktop" for our buttons
[12:12] <Burgwork> ogra__, having seen the link that agente87 just put up
[12:12] <lucasvo> agente87: with ltsp there is some app like this
[12:13] <lucasvo> agente87: Burgwork is talking about it, Teacher Control Panel
[12:13] <Burgwork> agente87, it is called student control panel and it is in the beginnings fo developement
[12:13] <Burgwork> agente87, so tell us what drives you nuts and what you like about thaht program
[12:13] <Burgwork> best to  email edubuntu-devel with that informatin
[12:13] <lucasvo> it will be released in april 06 I think
[12:13] <Burgwork> it needs more people to work on it
[12:14] <spacey> ogra__, do the errors i paste before sound familiar?
[12:14] <Nytryx> brb 
[12:14] <lucasvo> Burgwork: I would like to help, but I neither know python nor glade
[12:16] <Burgwork> lucasvo, do you use a similar application currently? Can you help with finding out how teachers actually use it?
[12:16] <lucasvo> Burgwork: I only know apple remote desktop
[12:16] <Burgwork> lucasvo, ah ok. I am looking for people who actually use what agente87 uses
[12:17] <agente87> i'm using it with my pupils (from 6 to 12)
[12:18] <lucasvo> Burgwork: but what I know from there is: a list with users and what programm is active(on top of desktop)
[12:18] <lucasvo> Burgwork: it is quite usefull
[12:18] <lucasvo> Burgwork: than, a function to blan all screens would be useful
[12:18] <lucasvo> *blank
[12:18] <lucasvo> 
[12:18] <agente87> yes it very usefull
[12:18] <lucasvo> Transmite el contenido de la pantalla del profesor a los PC de los alumnos seleccionados. 
[12:19] <agente87> joer de donde eres?
[12:19] <Nytryx> ogra__
[12:19] <lucasvo> ^^^ stream video from teacher pc to all pupil pcs
[12:19] <lucasvo> agente87: I don't understand what you say
[12:19] <Nytryx> ogra_
[12:19] <Nytryx> ogra__
[12:19] <agente87> sorry, i thought you can speak spanish
[12:19] <lucasvo> Nytryx: ogra isn't there
[12:19] <Nytryx> damn!
[12:19] <Nytryx> ty
[12:19] <lucasvo> agente87: I know a little bit italiano
[12:20] <lucasvo> agente87: and french
[12:20] <agente87> yes, i can start programs and navigation
[12:20] <Nytryx> ok bbl
[12:20] <lucasvo> agente87: so if there are engough similarities I understand it
[12:20] <agente87> you can guide all pupils pcs through a web page
[12:21] <lucasvo> Burgwork: you understand spanish?
[12:21] <lucasvo> http://www.redianet.com/img/pantallazo2.gif
[12:21] <Burgwork> lucasvo, nope
[12:21] <lucasvo> ^^^ there is a similar view on apple remote desktop
[12:21] <agente87> i do
[12:22] <Burgwork> hmm, looks interested
[12:22] <lucasvo> Burgwork: I can help you translate
[12:22] <Burgwork> ing
[12:22] <lucasvo> Burgwork: is there any public wiki page?
[12:22] <lucasvo> for ptc?
[12:22] <Burgwork> TeacherTool
[12:22] <lucasvo> Burgwork: I will add feautures there
[12:23] <agente87> what do you want to translate?
[12:23] <lucasvo> Locked Page
[12:23] <lucasvo> agente87: feautures it has
[12:23] <lucasvo> agente87: feautures ubuntu should have
[12:24] <lucasvo> Burgwork: I can't edit the wiki page
[12:24] <Burgwork> lucasvo, you need to login first
[12:24] <lucasvo> Burgwork: ah ok
[12:25] <Burgwork> add your screenshot as well as thge one from agente87 
[12:25] <lucasvo> Burgwork: ok
[12:27] <agente87> they are very similar
[12:27] <agente87> !!!!
[12:28] <agente87> i will try to translate
[12:28] <lucasvo> agente87: just post it here if you don't want to make a launchpad account
[12:28] <Burgwork> agente87, we need teachers to be able to tell us and maybe even show us how they use these pieces of software so that scp is the best there is
[12:29] <agente87> I a theacher, i teach childrens in the mormings and their parents, in the evening
[12:29] <agente87> I use it as a proyector
[12:30] <Burgwork> what we need is basically "When student does X, I do X" or "When I want to do X, I do Y"
[12:30] <agente87> my screen can be watched in my pupils monitor
[12:30] <Burgwork> and "The most common 5 things I do are ..."
[12:31] <agente87> ok
[12:31] <Burgwork> agente87, email me at corey.burger@gmail.com
[12:31] <Burgwork> and I will format and send on the edubuntu-devel list
[12:31] <lucasvo> Burgwork: how should I name the paragraph? :D
[12:32] <Burgwork> lucasvo, Similar programs
[12:35] <Burgwork> lucasvo, sorry, edit TeachersPet
[12:37] <lucasvo> hi ogra 
[12:47] <lucasvo> Burgwork: added some contents
[12:48] <lucasvo> Burgwork: but I want that picture to be a link, how can I do that? 
[12:48] <Burgwork> no idea but don't worry about it
[12:48] <Burgwork> great work and thanks
[12:48] <Burgwork> having them all inline makes for easy viewing
[12:49] <lucasvo> Burgwork: but it may be problem because of copyright
[12:49] <Burgwork> lucasvo, screenshots are fairuse and we only link
[12:50] <agente87> lucasvo, I have sent you a test mail
[12:52] <lucasvo> agente87: to which addreass? or do you mean Burgwork?
[12:52] <agente87> maybe
[12:52] <agente87> sorry
[12:52] <Burgwork> agente87, yes I go tit
[12:53] <lucasvo> redianet added as well
[12:53] <lucasvo> I go no 
[12:53] <lucasvo> cu
[12:53] <Burgwork> lucasvo, cheers and thanks again
[12:54] <lucasvo> Burgwork: please contact me if there is something I can do...
[12:54] <lucasvo> Burgwork: like draw symbols, write docs, test ...
[12:54] <Burgwork> lucasvo, ok
[12:56] <John_at_LMi> Hello again. I'd like some advice about performance on older hardware: i've installed workstation on a P6-233 with 256MB RAM. It's slow and sluggish as hell. How to improve that? This box will be going to a preschool child who will never do anything but play games on it.
[12:57] <agente87> lucasvo : how can i help?
[12:57] <Burgwork> John_at_LMi, you just have a workstation?
[12:58] <Burgwork> agente87, you looking to speak to me?
[12:58] <agente87> jajajaja, 
[12:59] <agente87> yes, i think i have to improve my english, sorry
[12:59] <Burgwork> np
[12:59] <Burgwork> your english is better than my spanish
[01:00] <agente87> i have tried edebenet and it is very usefull, a bit slow if you use more than 800 X 600
[01:02] <John_at_LMi> Burgwork: yes, just the one machine, which i installed as a workstation.
[01:04] <Burgwork> agente87, do you think you could send an email in spanish about what you liked/disliked about edebenet and how you would improve that? We have some spanish users so they can translate into english if that is something you don't think you can do
[01:06] <agente87> yes, i'm trying to write it in english
[01:06] <Burgwork> agente87, cheers
[01:06] <agente87> if it too bad i will make it in spanish ;-D
[01:07] <Burgwork> ok
[01:09] <agente87> i have send you the most usefull features
[01:11] <Burgwork> thanks
[01:11] <Burgwork> some of the things you mention are not actually on the feature list yet
[01:11] <Burgwork> agente87, are there other teachers you know that use similar software?
[01:15] <agente87> yes i was going to tell you now
[01:16] <agente87> teachers in my work
[01:16] <agente87> i have send you a second message, but in spanish
[01:17] <agente87> i have said, that the program may have a evaluation method
[01:17] <Burgwork> agente87, I will pass both these messages on to the edubuntu-devel mailing list, if that is ok
[01:17] <agente87> like moodle
[01:17] <Burgwork> hmm
[01:17] <agente87> may i join the mailing list, if you want some help
[01:17] <Burgwork> that is somewhat outside the scope of teacher tool
[01:17] <Burgwork> agente87, taht would be great
[01:18] <agente87> where can i sign?
[01:19] <Burgwork> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
[01:26] <John_at_LMi> Anyone else have general advice on how to improve performance on older hardware? For exmaple, how to turn off unneeded services?
[01:27] <agente87> well see you,
[01:27] <agente87> good night
[01:27] <Burgwork> agente87, cheers
[01:27] <Burgwork> John_at_LMi, there isn't much you can do beyond changing your default desktop
[01:27] <Burgwork> John_at_LMi, install xubuntu-desktop and then use that
[01:28] <John_at_LMi> would i still be able to use gcompris and other games that run under GDM?
[01:30] <Burgwork> yes
[01:30] <Burgwork> you would just be using xfce and not gnome
[01:36] <John_at_LMi> alright, i'll try installing xubuntu-desktop. Can i do that from the Synaptic Package Manger?
[01:37] <Burgwork> hmm
[01:37] <Burgwork> should be able to
[01:37] <John_at_LMi> if so it's not obvious. Perhaps using apt-get?
[01:38] <Burgwork> same repos
[01:38] <Burgwork> apt-get and synaptic query the same database
[01:39] <Burgwork> you need universe enabled
[01:43] <John_at_LMi> lol..universe, eh? assuming that i'm technically savvy and ubuntu-ignorant, what does that mean and how do i do it?
[01:46] <Burgwork> John_at_LMi, wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:46] <John_at_LMi> thank you, Burgwork. I'll read that and try it now.
[01:58] <Nytryx> ok ive converted to ubuntu on my desktop its going to take some serious work to get me to switch on my laptops lol
[01:59] <Nytryx> well just on my laptop lol
[01:59] <Nytryx> great OS! 
[02:46] <John_at_LMi> Alright, i've enabled universe and installed xubuntu-desktop; any other tips for improving performance on an older machine? 
[02:47] <John_at_LMi> I've also just installed bum and am poking at it now.
[03:04] <arkan0x> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~scott/software/bzrk-diff.png  what editor is this ??  o is part of bazaar ?
[04:30] <John_at_LMi> alright, my install is done.
[04:30] <John_at_LMi> thank you various folks for the help.
[04:32] <mhz> John_at_LMi: glad you could do it!
[04:32] <mhz> wlecome to the club!
[04:32] <mhz> :)
[04:35] <John_at_LMi> just for your curiosity: i'm a Mac geek and part-time Windows & FreeBSD geek at a small ISP. I had an extra old box, and i saw a craigslist ad from a family that wanted a machine for their 4 yr old. So, I'd just read that review in Linux Journal, and i decided what the hell, i'll give it a shot.
[04:38] <mhz> heehhe
[04:38] <mhz> isn't couriosity just wonderful
[04:41] <konfuzed> hm
[05:02] <konfuzed> hm
[05:02] <konfuzed> hm
[05:04] <konfuzed> ll
[07:38] <mhz> highvoltage: hi there.
[07:41] <mhz> highvoltage: how can I get access to or include an image at a LP description on LP team page?
[10:02] <JaneW> sorry about missing the meeting yesterday guys
[10:02] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW how are you?
[10:03] <JaneW> was feeling really awful, I thought I'd lie down for 20 minutes and fell asleep for 4 hours!
[10:03] <ogra> then you must have needed it :)
[10:03] <Yagisan> JaneW: Hope you feel better today
[10:07] <JaneW> jsgotangco: MUCH better today thanks.
[10:07] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i wonder though if you'll be part of AsiaBusinessTour
[10:07] <jsgotangco> probably not
[10:07] <jsgotangco> :(
[10:08] <jsgotangco> JaneW, do you know Hande?
[10:10] <JaneW> I have heard of Hande but not met him/her...
[10:10] <jsgotangco> JaneW, yeah i don't know if Hande is a he/she
[10:10] <jsgotangco> i received email from him/her
[01:08] <lucasvo> Burgwork: did you forward mails to eduuntu-devel already?
[01:28] <mhz> JaneW: hi. I am glad you're feeling betta
[01:29] <mhz> JaneW: you can bet that next time you feel bad, Mr. Edubuntu can do very good job in the role of ograW :)
[01:29] <JaneW> oooh good to hear
[01:30] <JaneW> not that I had any doubt
[01:30] <mhz> the only problem, is that he has no Cakes for us :(
[01:30] <JaneW> we'll have to fix that!
[01:30] <mhz> heheh
[01:30] <irvin> has anyone got to test the live cd yet?
[01:31] <mhz> not me, I fell asleep on the couch before I got to start downloading
[01:32] <mhz> and I'll have to wait for a less traffic hour, 'coz my bandwith is not fast at all
[01:32] <spacey> i'm sad, my poor thinclient doesn't work
[01:32] <ogra> irvin, yes
[01:32] <ogra> apart from powerpc, that one is still downloading here 
[01:36] <ogra> ppc install will still have the old bug in ltsp, i'm about to fix that here along with the thin-client-memory-usage impelmentation... so only workstation install will work in flight 2 
[01:37] <ogra> but the others are tested and fine ...
[01:37] <ogra> apart from the known bugs indeed ;)
[01:38] <irvin> is schooltool included in the edubuntu cd?
[01:38] <irvin> on 5.10?
[01:40] <juliux> irvin, i have here a prozess named schooltool so i think yes
[01:40] <irvin> looks like sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop does not install it by default
[01:41] <ogra> nope
[01:41] <ogra> its in the edubuntu-server package ;)
[01:41] <ogra> (which is installed in the default, but not the workstation install)
[01:42] <irvin> i see
[01:42] <ogra> neither on the liveCD 
[01:43] <juliux> ogra, can you explain me why schooltool needs so much virtual memory ?
[01:44] <ogra> nope
[01:44] <ogra> i didnt do much with it yet ...
[01:44] <juliux> ogra, it needs 130mb that is more as evolution
[01:44] <ogra> its a server ...
[01:44] <juliux> ogra, i didnt do anything with it i only install it
[01:45] <ogra> yup
[01:47] <juliux> hm very strange
[01:48] <ogra> it runs a webserver ...
[01:50] <juliux> ogra, the livecd boot screen looks very cool
[01:50] <ogra> yup
[01:50] <ogra> thats Kamions work ...
[01:51] <juliux> ogra, but it reminds me a little bit on suse
[01:51] <mhz> ogra: then I should present a LiveCd + DVD + Install CD for edubuntu ? any other CD like stuff needed?
[01:52] <mhz> (and for 3 architectures)
[01:52] <juliux> cool the livecd is now fast
[01:52] <juliux> er
[01:54] <ogra> mhz, yes, if its ready ...
[01:54] <juliux> ogra, who has make the livecd?
[01:54] <ogra> the current one is stil very buggy
[01:54] <juliux> yes very buggu
[01:54] <juliux> *y
[01:54] <ogra> lamont makes the livefs and Kamion creates the iso, i do the seeds 
[01:55] <juliux> the Applications menu is broken
[01:55] <juliux> an no edubuntu artwork
[01:55] <ogra> as everywhere in dapper
[01:55] <juliux> hehe
[01:55] <ogra> its there, its just enabled in the wrong place, gconf changed
[01:55] <juliux> it was a very good decision to use a cd rw
[01:56] <ogra> heh, yes
[01:56] <ogra> i never use anything else during development ...
[01:56] <juliux> i extra buy a cd rw so i can test the live cd
[01:57] <ogra> bte, the bootscreen is from suse, a suse guy even helped with it
[01:57] <ogra> *btw
[01:57] <juliux> ah ok
[02:00] <spacey> hi
[02:00] <spacey> should /etc/exports contain /opt/ltsp or /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
[02:02] <ogra> the first
[02:03] <spacey> my client doesn't want to boot
[02:04] <spacey> it exists in a busybox shell (initramfs i presume)
[02:04] <spacey> and can't mount stuff
[02:04] <ogra> yup
[02:04] <spacey> mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed
[02:04] <ogra> thats a "bug" in dhcpd 3.0.3
[02:05] <spacey> aha
[02:05] <ogra>   option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
[02:05] <ogra>   next-server 192.168.100.32;
[02:05] <ogra>   filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[02:05] <ogra>   option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[02:05] <ogra> add your server ip for next-server in your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[02:05] <spacey> my config is a bit differnt.
[02:06] <ogra> i'll fix that 
[02:06] <spacey> i have the next-server specified
[02:06] <ogra> oh
[02:06] <ogra> then it should work just fine
[02:06] <spacey>         next-server             10.101.191.20;
[02:06] <spacey>         option root-path        "10.101.191.20:/opt/ltsp/i386";
[02:06] <spacey>         if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient"
[02:06] <spacey>         {
[02:06] <spacey>                 filename        "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[02:06] <spacey>         }
[02:07] <spacey> hench the 10.101.191.20 is the terminal server
[02:09] <spacey> the dhcpd is onanother machine. But the dhcp part seems to go well. On the thin client i can see its got the mount info, and apparantly the pxe/tftp part already worked. since initramfs got loaded
[02:10] <ogra> whats set as rootserver ? 
[02:10] <ogra> it should be on console 1
[02:11] <spacey> 10.101.191.20
[02:11] <spacey> adn the root path is 10.101.191.20:/opt/ltsp/i386
[02:11] <spacey> like in the config
[02:12] <ogra> hmm, and the nfs server is running as well ? 
[02:12] <spacey> yup, i'll test if i can mount the export on another machine
[02:12] <spacey> hold on
[02:17] <spacey> yup mounting 10.101.191.20:/opt/ltsp works
[02:17] <ogra> weird ...
[02:17] <ogra> i had no probs in my install tests here yesterday 
[02:18] <spacey> its still breezy btw
[02:18] <ogra> oh
[02:19] <spacey> dapper is next step
[02:19] <spacey> :P
[02:19] <ogra> how does your exports look like ? 
[02:19] <ogra> /opt/ltsp       *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
[02:20] <spacey> yup
[02:20] <spacey> like that
[02:20] <spacey> ltsp-server added that
[02:20] <ogra> yup
[02:20] <ogra> try to omit rhe ip from the root-path setting ...
[02:24] <spacey> lets try
[02:28] <spacey> hah
[02:28] <ogra> works ? 
[02:28] <spacey> it actually works. Particular. I copied that part from a working LTSP setup
[02:29] <ogra> funny ...
[02:29] <spacey> well at least i get X now
[02:29] <ogra> it shouldnt have any effect
[02:29] <ogra> usually
[02:30] <spacey> ok next step is find out why that login thingy doesn't pop up. ldm was it right?
[02:30] <ogra> yup
[02:30] <ogra> you get X but no ldm ? 
[02:30] <spacey> yup
[02:30] <ogra> strange 
[02:30] <ogra> thats still breezy ? 
[02:31] <ogra> even the chroot ? 
[02:31] <spacey> yup
[02:32] <ogra> set a rootpw in the chroot and try to run /ect/init.d/ltsp-client start manually ...
[02:32] <ogra> and have a look at /var/log/ldm.log
[02:32] <spacey> i thought openssh-server was install in the chroot?
[02:33] <ogra> nope
[02:33] <ogra> there is no access possible from the outside
[02:33] <spacey> ah that it was there for some of your fancy toolies
[02:34] <ogra> i only install it to easily scp files between systems
[02:34] <ogra> its not in the default install... and shouldnt be ...
[02:36] <spacey> ctrl alt f1 doesn't respond
[02:37] <spacey> funny
[02:39] <littlepaul> is this right that the livecd does not contain ltsp?
[02:39] <mhz> ogra: what's the best app. included in edubuntu to get edubuntu liveCd and dapperTest CD ?
[02:39] <mhz> wget?
[02:39] <mhz> (oh, yes, command line would be better appeciated)
[02:40] <ogra> littlepaul, yes, it would be sily to include it there
[02:41] <ogra> *silly
[02:41] <littlepaul> hm
[02:41] <ogra> mhz, for an initial download wget... else rsync
[02:41] <ogra> littlepaul, it would be nearly unusable
[02:42] <juliux> ogra, so the live cd will only show a client?
[02:42] <ogra> nope, a workstation :P
[02:42] <mhz> hehehe
[02:42] <juliux> yes the behaviour of a client
[02:42] <juliux> ogra, korinten......
[02:42] <ogra> :P
[02:42] <ogra> ;)
[02:43] <juliux> sorry for the rest but i don't know how to translate it into english
[02:43] <ogra> peanuts ;)
[02:47] <mhz> LOL, oh sure, korinten!
[02:51] <spacey> ogra: can't look in the logs, X starts and then locks itself. but no fear. I'll install openssh server :P
[02:51] <spacey> i'll get myself in
[02:52] <ogra> heh
[02:53] <spacey> maybe it dislikes my acer laptop
[02:53] <spacey> at least i do
[02:53] <ogra> understadable :)
[02:55] <spacey> no ldm log
[02:56] <spacey> but there is an Xorg one
[02:56] <spacey> nothing special though
[02:57] <ogra> what happens if you kill X (and possible instances of ldm or gtk) and run the above command ?
[02:57] <spacey> I could kill it with ssh
[02:57] <ogra> yup
[02:57] <spacey> ldm is not running
[02:57] <ogra> and then /etc/init.d/ltsp-client start
[02:58] <spacey> doesn't get started i guess
[02:59] <spacey> XDM: too many retransmissions, declaring session dead
[02:59] <spacey> thats particular
[02:59] <spacey> at least looks
[03:02] <spacey> ogra: where is ldm suppose to get called?
[03:06] <spacey> ah well its probably my laptop, i can try dapper chroot or fix up that crappy duron pc here... and give it another try
[03:07] <ogra> ldm is called from /etc/init.d/ltsp-client
[03:07] <ogra> xdm is broken in breezy 
[03:09] <spacey> who wants xdm anyway
[03:09] <ogra> and it shouldnt be install in the chroot at all
[03:10] <spacey> it isn't
[03:11] <spacey> think its possible because its a laptop? i heard that happend more often. but can't think of a valid reason. especially because X already started.
[03:12] <spacey> well its obvious X crashed
[03:12] <ogra> i run fine here with my acer 
[03:12] <spacey> only mouse pointer works, nothing else responds :o)
[03:12] <ogra> whats nothing else ? 
[03:12] <spacey> any keyboard input
[03:13] <spacey> like ctrl alt f1, ctl alt backspace, ctrl alt del
[03:13] <ogra> did you tweak something in your lts.conf ? 
[03:13] <spacey> hehe
[03:14] <spacey> don't kill me
[03:14] <spacey> i ran some ltsp toolies which generated some files
[03:14] <ogra> argh
[03:14] <ogra> then you broke it ...
[03:14] <ogra> if you use anything from the ltsp-utils package, you can be sure its broken now
[03:15] <Yagisan> and get to keep both pieces ;)
[03:15] <littlepaul> ogra just one word "FAQ" ;)
[03:15] <ogra> worst case iu saw was that it tweaked stuff through /proc and broke the server completely
[03:15] <spacey> nasty
[03:15] <ogra> which results usually in a reinstall ...
[03:15] <spacey> well i'm not that insane.:P
[03:16] <ogra> littlepaul, nah, fixing the bug that these packages exist in main ;)
[03:16] <littlepaul> i know but as you allready said these packages will remain there because of 4.1
[03:17] <ogra> but in universe ....
[03:17] <ogra> which is not enabled by default ...
[03:17] <littlepaul> k
[03:17] <ogra> i dont care if the user breaks his system by heavy tweaking ... that his own fault ... the prob with breezy is that the tools are in main
[03:17] <spacey> yeah well, i started off with installing some ltsp- packages.
[03:18] <spacey> :p
[03:18] <ogra> thats fixed in dapper already
[03:18] <spacey> maybe rename it to utsp :P
[03:18] <littlepaul> the dependency bug is fixed?
[03:19] <spacey> or ltsp- to ltsp-thebadone
[03:19] <spacey> :>
[03:19] <ogra> littlepaul, yes, since the first dapper upload
[03:19] <littlepaul> sounds good
[03:20] <pc22> hi Yagisan 
[03:22] <Yagisan> G'day pc22
[03:23] <Yagisan> ogra: sadly I can't test your new livecd, I reached my 20GB monthly limit, and have now been throttled to 64k until 2006
[03:23] <littlepaul> :)
[03:24] <mhz> Yagisan: you have a limit?
[03:24] <juliux> Yagisan, not good
[03:24] <juliux> mhz, i also have a limit, on 7 days 3gb
[03:24] <mhz> juliux: any photos of the event you and ogra participated?
[03:24] <juliux> mhz, mom
[03:25] <mhz> juliux: hmm, never knew about about limits set by ISP... NOT fair
[03:25] <spacey> ogra: ok it works, my laptop is faster as thinclient then local install. :P sorry for the lame mistake
[03:25] <Yagisan> mhz: Yep, allmost all internet plans in Aus are limited
[03:25] <mhz> bummer
[03:26] <Yagisan> mhz: It gets worse, they are artifically speed limited by telstra too :(
[03:26] <mhz> gee!
[03:26] <mhz> i wonder how thwy would feel if we set 'quotes' to them
[03:27] <mhz> AFAIk, we have no limits but our speeds are slow and expensive yet
[03:27] <Yagisan> mhz: max is 1500k down and 256k up, except at a few exchanges where non-telstra owned dslams have been installed
[03:28] <Yagisan> mhz: telstra wouldn't care - they own almost every cable to every home on the continent
[03:29] <mhz> oh
[03:29] <mhz> monopoly?
[03:29] <ogra> mhz, \sh_away has some pics on his blog, look at planet
[03:30] <ogra> spacey, it were youre nerves, not mine that had to suffer ;)
[03:30] <ogra> powerpc live is broken here :(
[03:30] <Yagisan> mhz: almost complete.
[03:31] <Yagisan> mhz: there is actually a duopoly here, with telstra and optus
[03:31] <ogra> if anyone could confir that, that would be nice, so i can put it in the flight 2 release notes
[03:31] <juliux> mhz, http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/elt2005/   http://www.dakjos.de/gallery/Linuxtag-Essen-2005
[03:33] <juliux> mhz, http://gallery.linuxtage-essen.de/main.php
[03:34] <ogra> gah, they have a pic of me at the gentoo booth ....
[03:34] <juliux> hehe
[03:36] <juliux> already week end?
[03:37] <mhz> ogra: gentoo rocks!
[03:37] <mhz> no need to hide
[03:37] <juliux> mhz, lol
[03:37] <ogra> juliux, public holiday in sa
[03:37] <juliux> mhz, i have used gentoo until i get a broken linker
[03:37] <ogra> mhz, i'm no gentoo fan at all ...
[03:37] <mhz> ohhh
[03:38] <mhz> I liked gentoo very much (once installed) :)
[03:38] <juliux> gentoo users have to much money for electricity
[03:38] <mhz> I also like Gentoo docs
[03:38] <mhz> juliux: hehehe
[03:39] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hi
[03:39] <Lord_Athur> hi
[03:44] <Lord_Athur> good bye everyone
[03:48] <agente87> hello
[03:48] <agente87> i need help
[03:49] <agente87> how can i start moodle in a edubuntu installation?
[03:49] <ogra> you just install it, it gets started automatically
[03:49] <ogra> hmm, short visit
[03:50] <Yagisan> all of 40 seconds - some people have no patience
[03:50] <ogra> heh
[03:50] <jsgotangco> hey all
[03:51] <ogra> hey jsgotangco 
[03:51] <Yagisan> G'day jsgotangco
[03:53] <jsgotangco> ogra, have you seen the work in progress of elkner and kjcole on cookbook?
[03:53] <ogra> nope, not yet
[03:54] <jsgotangco> argghhh
[03:54] <mhz> jsgotangco: ?
[03:55] <ogra> argghhh ???
[03:55] <jsgotangco> mhz, we're already on flight 2, more or less we already have working feature sets, we're doing good progress in ubuntu docs i'm getting free time by next week and going to dig back at the doc
[03:56] <mhz> oooh
[03:56] <ogra> so ping one of them...
[03:56] <mhz> ok
[03:56] <jsgotangco> ogra, i will
[03:56] <ogra> they have a bzr archive with their work afaik
[03:56] <jsgotangco> it doesn't contain much
[03:57] <jsgotangco> mhz, we're not going to do moin :P hehehe
[03:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: hehe, honestly i wasnt thinking on that
[03:57] <jsgotangco> give me your OOo in ODP format and i'll take care of the rest
[03:57] <mhz> really?????????????
[03:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: why didnt you say that B4?
[03:58] <jsgotangco> OOo 2 is much better in the docbook export
[03:58] <ogra> jsgotangco, no no , we decided to do it in plain handwritten postscript now :P
[03:58] <jsgotangco> gahhh
[03:58] <mhz> jsgotangco: any specific template you need me to use?
[03:58] <ogra> ;)
[03:58] <jsgotangco> mhz, nope
[03:58] <jsgotangco> a clean doc will do
[03:58] <mhz> ogra: mean!
[03:58] <mhz> :)
[03:58] <ogra> *g*
[03:58] <mhz> cool!
[04:00] <jsgotangco> heya zakame 
[04:00] <mhz> zakame: hip
[04:00] <zakame> hi jsgotangco :D
[04:00] <zakame> and mhz :)
[04:00] <mhz> jsgotangco: are you sure ODP will do fine for your purposes? (need to double check)
[04:01] <jsgotangco> mhz, yes
[04:01] <zakame> ODP? 
[04:01] <mhz> jsgotangco: if so, then i'll have to learn BZR roght now or that can wait?
[04:01] <jsgotangco> mhz, no bzr needed for now
[04:01] <mhz> zakame: OpenDocuement P...
[04:02] <zakame> ooh
[04:02] <jsgotangco> zakame, we don't need no stinkin' LaTeX nor Emacs!
[04:02] <zakame> jsgotangco: buwahaha
[04:02] <jsgotangco> :P
[04:02] <jsgotangco> mhz, traitor :P
[04:02] <mhz> hehehe
[04:03] <ogra> bzr is cool for maintaining your local changes though ...
[04:03] <mhz> jsgotangco: hmmm, so ok. How do i get to read the already WIP ?
[04:03] <mhz> indeed
[04:03] <ogra> you can easily roll back or recover stuff ...
[04:04] <mhz> ogra: it's just that I have trouble figuring out how to give time to so many stuff I want to do and already feel commited that even the slightest "new thing to learn" is complex to me
[04:06] <mhz> jsgotangco: BTW, the aLEXsANCHEsSECO wiki page is being used a spanish personal blog
[04:06] <jsgotangco> whoa
[04:06] <jsgotangco> really
[04:06] <mhz> yup
[04:07] <jsgotangco> should we give him the smackdown?
[04:07] <mhz> fortunatelly, no attachements yet
[04:08] <mhz> jsgotangco: so, if all current work is XML, any ideas/suggestions regarding how to read it in 'human like' so I can see what to edit or add?
[04:11] <jsgotangco> hmm do a make on the doc in svn
[04:12] <ogra> you actually need only to know about  or 7 commands
[04:13] <zakame> yeah bzr's quite easy :)
[04:14] <ogra> and bzrk is unbeaten http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/software/bzrk.png
[04:14] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/software/bzrk-diff.png
[04:19] <mhz> ogra: JaneW_we: any budget for openpuppets.org ?
[04:19] <jsgotangco> openpuppets?
[04:20] <mhz> ogra: jsgotangco: http://www.openpuppets.com/
[04:20] <ogra> whats that ?
[04:20] <mhz> lovely initiative
[04:20] <mhz> :D
[04:21] <jsgotangco> huh?
[04:21] <jsgotangco> hope this isn't a sock puppet
[04:22] <mhz> not at all
[04:22] <mhz> they are really COOL
[04:22] <jsgotangco> dunno about the budet really
[04:23] <mhz> hmm
[04:25] <jsgotangco> =)
[04:33] <mhz> neurogeek: hi there
[04:33] <mhz> ogra: jsgotangco: juliux: http://www.openpuppets.com/en/amigos/ubu.html
[04:59] <mhz> ogra: so you met ThomasWaldemann in umeet. Good IRC talk you gave, IMHO
[04:59] <mhz> and thanks for mentioning my effort for LA people
[05:00] <claude> hi just a question
[05:00] <claude> on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuCDPrintingPlans, there is a project of sending 10000 6.04 edubuntu CDs
[05:01] <mhz> yes
[05:01] <mhz> iirc
[05:01] <claude> on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuShippingPlans, there is only 8000 5.10 CDs ??
[05:01] <mhz> yes
[05:01] <mhz> and they were never shipped
[05:01] <mhz> we are crossing fingers (at least me) to have those 6.04 in the budget
[05:03] <claude> these 2 pages should be synchronized
[05:03] <mhz> good point
[05:04] <lucasvo> http://www.netsupportschool.com/standard_features.htm <this tool looks good, I will update the wikipage: TeacherTool
[05:05] <jsgotangco> good night
[05:05] <jsgotangco> yawn
[05:07] <ogra> lucasvo, nice tool, but win only ...
[05:07] <ogra> mhz, yes, i met him, nie guy... and thanks, was fun to hold the talk
[05:08] <ogra> *nice
[05:08] <mhz> ogra: there's MoinMoin Desktop edition
[05:08] <mhz> any chances we can include it?
[05:09] <mhz> and what should i do if accepted?
[05:09] <ogra> if it gets packaged ...
[05:09] <ogra> give me a link
[05:09] <mhz> MMDE = works out of the box (tar.zg)
[05:09] <mhz> okis
[05:09] <mhz> w8
[05:09] <mhz> and it is meant for /home
[05:10] <mhz> I once tried to make it sync easily with standard server edition
[05:10] <mhz> and rsynced did the job but it was not ideal
[05:11] <ogra> is it something like tiddlywiki ? 
[05:11] <mhz> hehehehe, no idea
[05:11] <mhz> it is Moin for /home
[05:11] <ogra> tiddlywiki is cool for local stuff
[05:12] <ogra> yeah, sounds similar
[05:12] <mhz> (M$, PPC, and *NIX versions)
[05:12] <mhz> and it runs with no need of apache
[05:12] <mhz> :8000 IIRC
[05:12] <vincenzio> hi
[05:12] <mhz> hi
[05:13] <ogra> look at this http://www.tiddlywiki.com/
[05:13] <mhz> :D
[05:15] <lucasvo> ogra: exactly...
[05:15] <mhz> ogra: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/DesktopEdition
[05:15] <ogra> but some good ideas we could adopt as plugins for s-c-p
[05:16] <lucasvo> ogra: that's why I add it to the wiki. so people can see what one could add to scp
[05:16] <lucasvo> ogra: I was too slow :D
[05:16] <ogra> heh
[05:17] <ogra> mhz, how safe is it ? 
[05:17] <mhz> 'safe' ?
[05:17] <ogra> looks like it opens  port 
[05:18] <mhz> I can ask xorAxAx (ThomasWaldemann's right hand) or maybe you could talk to him (german as well) as he is the Mr. MMDE 
[05:18] <mhz> :)
[05:19] <ogra> its just, if it runs in your home and there is a security hole its far more dangerous than running in a protected area of the filesystem where you cant access userdata
[05:19] <mhz> installing MMDE would gimme the chance to give better Moin-School
[05:19] <mhz> yup
[05:20] <ogra> and itstricky to package such stuff
[05:20] <ogra> one reason why i never packaged this http://www.grawert.net/software/evonotify/index.html
[05:20] <mhz> ok, so I'll ask xorAxAx (email) and get back to you once i get answer
[05:21] <lucasvo> is anybody working on s-c-p atm?
[05:22] <ogra> there is a gentoo guy who sent me some stuff, havent looked really deep into it, since he ports it to classic ltsp
[05:22] <ogra> any contribution is welcome :)
[05:23] <claude> what is s-c-p ?
[05:23] <ogra> lucasvo, feel free to grab it from here with bzr http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/
[05:23] <lucasvo> ogra: whhow can I contribute?
[05:23] <lucasvo> I don't know bzr, is it similar to svn?
[05:23] <ogra> claude, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/student-control-panel_shot.png
[05:23] <ogra> lucasvo, easier 
[05:24] <lucasvo> ogra: is there something like trac?
[05:24] <ogra> trac ? 
[05:24] <claude> ogra: thanks
[05:24] <lucasvo> ogra: trac.edgewall.com
[05:24] <claude> do you know controlaula ?
[05:24] <lucasvo> or ronja-svn.wservices.ch
[05:25] <ogra> yes
[05:25] <ogra> lucasvo, ah, yes, i know trac
[05:25] <ogra> but we use bzr everywhere in ubuntu ... 
[05:26] <ogra> it will get integrated very deep into launchpad soon
[05:26] <ogra> claude, i'm no fan of controlaula
[05:26] <claude> why?
[05:26] <ogra> and we couldnt even support it, since its written in gambas
[05:27] <ogra> i dont like the ui 
[05:27] <ogra> i wouldnt give it to any teacher
[05:28] <claude> is s-c-p functionnality somewhere similar ?
[05:29] <ogra> the target of our TeachersPet spec is to have a tool that is very easy to use and that everyone with basic python knowledge can easily expand through a plugin
[05:29] <ogra> s-c-p shall become the core component for TeachersPet one day ...
[05:30] <ogra> the target is to design it "right" first and then enhance it
[05:30] <ogra> it should be a tool a arts or biology teacher can easily use without the need to read a handbook ...
[05:31] <claude> ok
[05:32] <ogra> but it should become very powerful in the end through plugins ...
[05:33] <lucasvo> ogra: is there any otpion to select wm on ldm login?
[05:33] <ogra> lucasvo, nope, not yet
[05:34] <ogra> its prepared to add sessions to ldm ... 
[05:34] <ogra> and the backend code supports already that you executecustomized commands on the server ..
[05:35] <ogra> instead of the default Xsession
[05:35] <lucasvo> ogra: hm, will it work for dapper?
[05:36] <ogra> the session stuff ? its not in my focus currently ... so i cant make promises as long as no other contributors step up
[05:36] <lucasvo> ogra: how can I pull your bzr archiv??
[05:37] <ogra> bzr get 
[05:37] <ogra> install bzr and just run: bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/
[05:38] <ogra> to get recent changes you then only run "bzr pull" in the source directory without any url 
[05:38] <lucasvo> ok
[05:39] <ogra> if you made changes you run bzr commit -m'description what you changed', copy the dir to a webserver and notify me ... i can simply run bzr merge and your changes get merged
[05:39] <lucasvo> (student-control-panel:30765): libglade-WARNING **: could not find glade file '/usr/share/student-control-panel/student-control-panel.glade'
[05:40] <ogra> yes, its already packaged, so it looks for the files in the install dir ...
[05:40] <lucasvo> ah ook
[05:40] <ogra> change it in the code ...
[05:40] <lucasvo> I changed it
[05:40] <ogra> there might be other occurences of the path ...
[05:41] <ogra> it should have a try: and except: construct to fall back to a local glade file
[05:42] <lucasvo> oh no
[05:42] <lucasvo> ogra: I will try to add it
[05:42] <lucasvo> ogra: hm, so how do you do it?
[05:43] <ogra> have a look at the theme engine stuff here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/fixes/client/greeters/gtk
[05:43] <lucasvo> ogra: do you have it installed in /usr/share
[05:44] <ogra> the package installs it there, yes
[05:44] <ogra> (there is a package in dapper)
[05:45] <claude> ogra: is s-c-p limited to ltsp ?
[05:45] <ogra> yes
[05:46] <claude> what about a class with workstations ?
[05:46] <ogra> thats its only target
[05:46] <lucasvo> I think, one should define a variabl th path defined where the package is
[05:46] <lucasvo> ogra: I can't find the package
[05:46] <ogra> claude, thats something for a plugin 
[05:47] <ogra> claude, but very very hard to do in a afe and correct way ...
[05:47] <claude> yes, but very very useful :-)
[05:47] <ogra> and we dont target mass workstation setups yet
[05:47] <mhz_cook> ogra: xorAxAx is in #moin, could you ask your doubts there?
[05:47] <ogra> that will come in dapper+1 or +2
[05:47] <mhz_cook> please
[05:47] <lucasvo> ogra: what's the name of the package?
[05:47] <ogra> lucasvo, guess :)
[05:48] <lucasvo> ogra: E: Couldn't find package teacher-control-panel
[05:48] <lucasvo> ah it is students
[05:48] <ogra> hehe, you want the students to control their teacher ? 
[05:48] <lucasvo> it is a controlpanel for teachers
[05:48] <ogra> would be fun to give them something to defend their login ....
[05:49] <ogra> classroom wars !!
[05:49] <lucasvo> let's do a dos to the teachers client!
[05:49] <lucasvo> DoS
[05:49] <ogra> heh
[05:50] <lucasvo> I don't like the logo :D
[05:50] <ogra> make a better one :P
[05:51] <lucasvo> ogra: yes I will
[05:52] <ogra> :)
[05:52] <ogra> mhz_cook, that still wouldnt solve the packaging problem ...
[05:54] <mhz_cook> ogra: sure, but that i can help
[05:54] <ogra> redesign ubuntu ? 
[05:55] <mhz_cook> but the most important issue here is security ,afaik
[05:55] <ogra> its a design proble,
[05:55] <mhz_cook> hehehe, why a design problem?
[05:55] <ogra> a .deb installs systemwide, you cant install in homedirs ...
[05:55] <mhz_cook> hmmm
[05:56] <ogra> indeed one could make a package that puts tar.gz in /usr/doc or something ... 
[05:56] <mhz_cook> would that help, then?
[05:56] <ogra> but then you can even use the tgz directly
[05:56] <ogra> so i currently see no point in packaging it 
[05:56] <mhz_cook> hmm
[05:56] <mhz_cook> good point
[05:57] <mhz_cook> ok, then i forget about it
[05:58] <lucasvo> one could write a script which installs it into active dir...
[05:59] <ogra> try it...
[05:59] <ogra> :)
[05:59] <lucasvo> and install source with script
[06:00] <lucasvo> I could do better
[06:00] <lucasvo> things
[06:00] <lucasvo> where can I find edubuntulog?
[06:00] <lucasvo> *logo
[06:00] <ogra> on the wiki 
[06:02] <lucasvo> waa
[06:03] <lucasvo> gimp is so different from photoshop :(
[06:03] <lucasvo> how can I scale an object and keep proportions?
[06:03] <ogra> i always think the opposite *g*
[06:04] <ogra> put it on a layer and scale it ...
[06:04] <lucasvo> yes I can do that but I still can't lock the proportions
[06:04] <lucasvo> when I press scale
[06:05] <lucasvo> I hate the multiwindo system
[06:05] <ogra> the scale layer dialog has that on by default
[06:06] <lucasvo> no
[06:06] <lucasvo> it I can't find itah
[06:09] <lucasvo> I have horrible lag
[06:09] <lucasvo> but now I found it, it is in the layer window
[06:11] <khermans> My xerver on the clients is running at 800x600, but I want 1024x768
[06:11] <khermans> the Xorg.conf has 1024x768 specified
[06:13] <ogra> khermans, the xorg.conf is regenaerated on boot ...
[06:13] <khermans> but it shows 1024 ?
[06:13] <khermans> why is it not using that6 res?
[06:13] <ogra> you need to specify the right horiz sync and vert refresh values in the lts.conf file
[06:14] <khermans> i have generic monitor stored
[06:14] <ogra> because your monitor doest report the right values, our xserver only uses the ones it gets reported by the monitor probing on boot ...
[06:15] <ogra> so you need to override this ...
[06:15] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams
[06:16] <ogra> that needs to go into the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file    
[06:16] <lucasvo> my ltsp isn't working anymore :(
[06:16] <khermans> heheh
[06:16] <ogra> lucasvo, whats not working ? 
[06:16] <lucasvo> ogra: the next-server thingie I think
[06:17] <ogra> did you try to add it to the config ? 
[06:17] <lucasvo> yes
[06:17] <ogra> with the right IP ?
[06:18] <ogra> and didnt forget the semicolon ? 
[06:18] <lucasvo> no
[06:18] <ogra> then i dont see how it should be the error
[06:19] <lucasvo>         next-server 192.168.1.1;
[06:19] <lucasvo>         filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[06:19] <ogra> thats fine
[06:20] <ogra> so where does the booting stop ? 
[06:20] <lucasvo> No IP address
[06:20] <ogra> you r client doesnt get one ? 
[06:20] <lucasvo> this is what it says
[06:21] <ogra> thats not related
[06:21] <ogra> is your dhcpd running ? 
[06:21] <lucasvo> how can I find out/
[06:21] <lucasvo> yes it is
[06:21] <lucasvo> I even tried
[06:22] <ogra> next-server would be an issue if it boots half way and reports rootserver=0.0.0.0 just before it drops you to a shell
[06:23] <ogra> and your prob sounds like it happens before booting at all
[06:23] <ogra> which rather indicates that dhcpd isnt running or other parts of the config are wrong
[06:23] <lucasvo> http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/Screenshot.png
[06:24] <lucasvo> ogra: I get dhcp if I boot with livecd on client
[06:24] <ogra> that shot looks a bit empty ...
[06:25] <lucasvo> ogra: why should it be stuffed full?
[06:25] <ogra> because else we could omit it completely ...
[06:25] <lucasvo> I think one can omit it
[06:25] <ogra> yes, but i'd find it boring ...
[06:26] <lucasvo> why, there will be soon more buttons, which take up space
[06:26] <lucasvo> for e.g. Blank...
[06:26] <ogra> its a nice place to add a buttonbar later
[06:26] <ogra> blank ??
[06:26] <lucasvo> Blank (screen)
[06:26] <lucasvo> Blank (screens)
[06:26] <ogra> which screen ? 
[06:26] <lucasvo> pupils screen
[06:27] <ogra> hmmm
[06:27] <lucasvo> my stupid dhcp server :(
[06:28] <ogra> post your /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf to pastebin
[06:29] <lucasvo> /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf should be in /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
[06:29] <ogra> nope
[06:30] <ogra> dont ever touch that file
[06:30] <lucasvo> which one?
[06:30] <ogra> the latter 
[06:30] <lucasvo> why?
[06:30] <lucasvo> it is standard dhcp file
[06:30] <ogra> because its not used
[06:30] <lucasvo> and I want to use it
[06:30] <lucasvo> crap!
[06:30] <lucasvo> so you mean, I couldn't use webmin?
[06:30] <ogra> thats not how ubunti ltsp works
[06:30] <ogra> webmin? *shudder*
[06:31] <lucasvo> you are making things more difficult than they already are
[06:31] <lucasvo>  I couldn't ... :D
[06:31] <lucasvo> but there are other quite good interfaces for administration 
[06:31] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup
[06:31] <lucasvo> why can't you move to file to it's standard location?
[06:32] <ogra> because that would break the dhcpd package
[06:32] <lucasvo> why?
[06:32] <lucasvo> I don't want to use edubuntu integrated dhcp server
[06:32] <ogra> you would break it for other users that dont use ltsp
[06:32] <lucasvo> ...
[06:32] <lucasvo> what would break?
[06:33] <ogra> thats fine, uninstall ltsp-server-stadalone and you are fine 
[06:33] <ogra> if yu want to use an external dhcpd, ltsp-server is all you want
[06:33] <lucasvo> http://pastebin.com/465474
[06:33] <ogra> but then i cant hel you much ...
[06:34] <ogra> so you are giving a dynamic ip to your own server ? 
[06:35] <lucasvo> no 
[06:35] <ogra> yes
[06:35] <ogra> you do with this file ...
[06:35] <ogra> your server is 192.168.1.1
[06:35] <lucasvo> yes
[06:35] <lucasvo> it is
[06:35] <ogra> your range starts at 192.168.1.0
[06:35] <ogra> so youre giving      awaythis ip to clients
[06:35] <lucasvo> eth2      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:08:A1:6F:30:8F
[06:35] <lucasvo>           inet addr:192.168.1.1  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[06:36] <ogra> which results in the same ip twice in the net ....
[06:37] <ogra> make it: range 192.168.1.10 192.168.1.255;
[06:37] <lucasvo> hm, I never had this problem
[06:37] <lucasvo> with old ltsp
[06:37] <ogra> thats not a ltsp problem, but a misconfigured dhcp ...
[06:37] <ogra> it doesnt mean it *must* happen
[06:38] <lucasvo> hm, mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory
[06:38] <ogra> whats above ? 
[06:38] <lucasvo> rootserver:192.168.1.1 rootpath: /opt/ltsp/i386
[06:38] <lucasvo> mount: I/O error 
[06:39] <lucasvo> short read: 0 < 28
[06:39] <ogra> inetd is running on the server ? 
[06:39] <ogra> and nfs ?
[06:39] <ogra> yes, inetd is apparently running, you got the initrd ...
[06:39] <lucasvo>  * Starting internet superserver...                                                                                                                   [fail] 
[06:39] <ogra> oh
[06:39] <ogra> how did it get the kernel then ? 
[06:39] <lucasvo> ah
[06:39] <lucasvo> I did start 
[06:40] <lucasvo> after restart it works
[06:40] <spacey_ki> inetd is only used for tftpd by default i think
[06:40] <ogra> ah
[06:40] <ogra> yup
[06:40] <ogra> but tftpd gives you kernel and initrd.img
[06:40] <lucasvo> works all fine
[06:40] <ogra> if he is at this stage, he has both already
 hm, mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory
[06:41] <spacey_ki> same error i had :P
[06:41] <lucasvo> it has also problem wiht /proc
[06:41] <lucasvo> spacey_ki: on dapper?
[06:41] <spacey_ki> nope
[06:42] <ogra> lucasvo, no wonder, since you rebuilt your chroot several times :)
[06:42] <spacey_ki> i'll try dapper tomorrow
[06:42] <lucasvo> so what should I do ?
[06:42] <lucasvo> :D
[06:42] <ogra> does it work ? 
[06:42] <lucasvo> ogra: what?
[06:42] <lucasvo> it doesn't wofk
[06:42] <ogra> your client ? you said above it wors all fine 
 works all fine
[06:43] <lucasvo> I mean tftp, nfs, portmap ...
[06:43] <lucasvo> but not the client
[06:43] <lucasvo>  /proc/sys and /proc
[06:43] <ogra> the nfsmounting fails somehow ...
[06:43] <lucasvo> short read: 0 < 28
[06:44] <lucasvo> what's this?
[06:44] <ogra> a meesage from one of the initramfs scripts 
[06:44] <ogra> grep for it if you like 
[06:44] <ogra> do you have a line for proc in /mnt/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab
[06:44] <ogra> ?
[06:45] <ogra> (there should be only one )
[06:46] <lucasvo> proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
[06:46] <ogra> fine
[06:46] <lucasvo> DD(only one)
[06:46] <ogra> thats how it should be ...
[06:47] <ogra> can you mount the nfs dir from another machine ? 
[06:47] <lucasvo> ogra: how?
[06:47] <ogra> mount
[06:47] <lucasvo> can I mount it from the server or via livecd?
[06:47] <lucasvo> how can I mount nfs?
[06:47] <ogra> livecd from the client machine should work
[06:48] <lucasvo> ogra: exact command?
[06:48] <ogra> sudo mount 192.168.1.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 /mnt
[06:49] <lucasvo> I'll give it a try
[06:54] <lucasvo> ogra: how long does it take to mount?
[06:54] <ogra> some seconds max ...
[06:54] <ogra> it will give you a timeout message if it breaks
[06:55] <lucasvo> hm, ok
[06:55] <lucasvo> I am still waiting
[06:55] <ogra> looks like your nfs isnt working then 
[06:55] <ogra> as i said in the beginning ;)
[06:56] <lucasvo> hah
[06:56] <lucasvo> now it is working I think
[06:56] <lucasvo> yup
[06:56] <lucasvo> ls /mount gives me bin, boot, dev, home, initrd, media, opt, mnt, proc, root, sbin, srv, tmp, usr, var
[06:56] <lucasvo> I mean /mnt
[06:57] <ogra> hmm, there is still something wrong with your nfs server if it takes this long 
[06:57] <lucasvo> what? :DE
[07:25] <mhz_cook> lucasvo: keep pressing either ctrl or shift (i dont remember)
[07:51] <da5id_> hi edubuntu people
[07:52] <Burgwork> salut
[07:54] <da5id_> I was wondering if there are any edubuntu people in germany?
[07:56] <ogra> da5id_, up
[07:56] <ogra> err, yup
[07:56] <da5id_> hi ogra
[07:56] <da5id_> apart from you of course :-)
[07:56] <da5id_> did you get my email?
[07:56] <ogra> i met some at th eessener linuxtage
[07:57] <da5id_> yes
[07:57] <ogra> oh, yes ...
[07:57] <da5id_> I was wondering if you and other people engaged with edubuntu would like to meet the skolelinux.de people?
[07:57] <da5id_> everybody is welcome
[07:57] <ogra> i can make it rather at the end of feb ...
[07:58] <ogra> so probably 25/6 might work
[07:58] <da5id_> that is fine
[07:58] <ogra> but no promises yet
[07:58] <da5id_> march would be possible too
[07:58] <da5id_> what ever suits you and your schedule best
[07:59] <ogra> arch will be high time for me, we have our relese at the beginning of april
[07:59] <ogra> *march
[07:59] <da5id_> we also have a new years party :-)
[08:00] <da5id_> hi h3p
[08:00] <da5id_> :-)
[08:01] <da5id_> would you like to give us a presentation on edubuntu?
[08:02] <h3p> hi dave
[08:02] <ogra> sure, why not ? 
[08:02] <da5id_> I also plan to invite Carsten Neuhaus (developer of Kalzium) and Christian Kuelker (developer of CipUx) will be there
[08:03] <ogra> great :)
[08:03] <da5id_> so I hope it will be an interesting meeting with lots of input for software to package
[08:04] <da5id_> ogra: can you email me as soon as possible about which weekend would be ok for you?
[08:05] <ogra> yup, will do ...
[08:05] <da5id_> ogra: I try to plan everything else around that
[08:05] <da5id_> :-)
[08:05] <ogra> i'm just poking several other ubuntu guys, if someone is intrested first
[08:05] <da5id_> also everybody else from ubuntu and edubuntu or just interested in free software is welcome
[08:07] <da5id_> ogra: thanks! I apreciate.
[08:07] <ogra> me too :)
[08:20] <lucasvo> mhz: what do you mean?
[08:20] <mhz> ?
[08:20] <mhz> the keys? oh, for gimp
[08:24] <lucasvo> mhz: aha, I tried it, it didn't work, you have to set it in the layers window I think
[08:24] <lucasvo> ogra: how can I test my nfs?
[08:26] <lucasvo> ah now it worked!
[08:26] <lucasvo> cool
[08:27] <lucasvo> /etc/rcS.d/S32ltsp-client-setup: line 137: X_MODE: command not found
[08:34] <mhz> ogra: sorry for that flood
[08:44] <lucasvo>  * Starting kernel log daemon... start-stop-daemon: nothing in /proc - not mounted? (Success)
[08:44] <lucasvo>                                                                                                                                                       [fail] 
[08:45] <lucasvo> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 && apt-get distupgrade ^^^
[08:46] <Burgwork> ogra, should I move TeachersPet to StudentControlPanel ?
[08:46] <Burgwork> mhz, I have some spanish text for you to translate
[08:47] <mhz> ?
[08:49] <Burgwork> mhz, was speaking with somebody yesterday and they were spanish
[08:49] <mhz> oh
[08:50] <mhz> and what is you need to translate (or want to translate)?
[08:50] <Burgwork> can I fire you there email?
[08:50] <mhz> sure
[08:50] <Burgwork> mhz@ubuntu.com?
[08:50] <mhz> I commit to read it first b4 I can tell you I can translate it
[08:51] <mhz> Burgwork: now that you mention it... I guess I have one but I have not been told about it
[08:51] <mhz> Burgwork: mhz AT tecnocimiento DOT cl should work too
[08:54] <lucasvo> Burgwork: you mean the argente87? could you cc it to me?
[08:54] <lucasvo> Burgwork: lucasvo____@____gmx____.ch
[08:55] <Burgwork> lucasvo, yes I will
[08:55] <lucasvo> Burgwork: thanks
[08:56] <Burgwork> sent
[08:56] <lucasvo> got it
[08:58] <lucasvo>  * No existe un control o una evaluacin de los alumnos < this is interesting
[08:59] <lucasvo> is it correct translated?: there isn't any way how to control or evaluate(survey) the students?
[09:02] <mhz> ah,,,, you want a version!
[09:02] <Burgwork> we were talking about student control panel
[09:03] <mhz> translation = foreign lang. into mother tongue
[09:03] <Burgwork> and how he uses a similar aplpication
[09:03] <mhz> version = mother tongue into foreign lang
[09:03] <Burgwork> yes
[09:03] <lucasvo> mhz: is this correct I wrote? ^^^^
[09:03] <mhz> yup
[09:03] <mhz> you can always edit a little bit
[09:03] <mhz> but it is good
[09:04] <lucasvo> because I found a program who does exactly that
[09:04] <lucasvo> but on winxp
[09:04] <lucasvo> http://www.netsupportschool.com/testing.htm
[09:04] <lucasvo> let's add it to the wiki...
[09:05] <Burgwork> that is somewhat outside  the scope of student control panel
[09:05] <Burgwork> what student control panel needs to the generic ability to start any app
[09:05] <mhz> lucasvo: the problem is that in no context, it is good but I bet my chilean butt that in a context, that text will lead to a diff meaning
[09:05] <Burgwork> maybe even locking the other applications
[09:06] <lucasvo> yes it is, but it should be added there, maybe I will write that down^
[09:06] <mhz> lucasvo: Burgwork: because '' no existe control...'' is meaning we have no element to use in order to control ....
[09:06] <Burgwork> how about this idea: "Ability to darken screen and display only one application, which the students cannot exit out of"
[09:07] <lucasvo> Burgwork: yes
[09:07] <Burgwork> that allows the teacher to show a test module and force the students to take it
[09:07] <lucasvo> and this app could be firefox with moodle inside :D
[09:07] <Burgwork> sure
[09:08] <Burgwork> lucasvo, you adding that netsupport school app to the wiki?
[09:08] <Burgwork> now we just need more users of these apps to tell us what they like/dislike about them
[09:09] <lucasvo> Burgwork: yes, as a list of templates for this software
[09:09] <lucasvo> references
[09:09] <lucasvo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeachersPet
[09:10] <Burgwork> can you add this one too?
[09:10] <Burgwork> http://www.crossteccorp.com/netopschool/
[09:10] <Burgwork> and http://www.kvm-switches-online.com/minicom-aristoclass.html
[09:11] <lucasvo> is anybody able to code in python?
[09:12] <Burgwork> why?
[09:12] <Burgwork> there are a number of hardware solutions for this problem as well
[09:13] <lucasvo> for python?
[09:14] <Burgwork> no, the problem of control students computesr
[09:15] <Burgwork> scp is written in pygtk because we are all a little python mad around here
[09:16] <Burgwork> good little look at netop
[09:16] <Burgwork> http://www.loughborough.ac.uk/computing/labs/netop.html
[09:18] <lucasvo> Burgwork: you can add it as well :D
[09:18] <lucasvo> I added only the link 
[09:22] <Burgwork> lucasvo, just the link is fine
[09:22] <mhz> lucasvo: can you use that app. you mentioned to version this, please:  Este punto sera el que ms trabajara. La posibilidad de realizar
[09:22] <mhz> evaluaciones y recogida de datos de manera instantnea, algo parecido
[09:22] <mhz> a los mdulos de moodle.
[09:25] <lucasvo> mhz: I only speak italiano and french
[09:26] <mhz> yup
[09:26] <mhz> no problem
[09:26] <mhz> but it would be cool (for translating knowledge) to compare that paragraph 
[09:26] <mhz> using the tool you mentioned
[09:26] <lucasvo> if there are enough similiarities I understand it but this is too difficult
[09:27] <lucasvo> using the tool?
[09:27] <mhz> oh, lucasvo you were not using a tool? or app?
[09:27] <lucasvo> ehm no, only my head
[09:28] <lucasvo> ehm, I am learning italian and french, I know a little latin so it is not that difficult
[09:28] <mhz> ohhh, wow! excellent head!!!
[09:28] <lucasvo> mhz: ah, I meant the surveys he wan'ts
[09:28] <lucasvo> want's
[09:28] <mhz> lucasvo: impressive
[09:29] <mhz> very good
[09:29] <lucasvo> I am still in my teenages, learning all day and night...
[09:29] <lucasvo> mhz: http://www.netsupportschool.com/testing.htm
[09:32] <mhz> lucasvo: Burgwork: I am sure in a Spanish distro I heard they have something like that 'classroom-control'
[09:34] <Burgwork> mhz, k12ltsp has something that is crap
[09:35] <mhz> hmm, proably right. Only next week I'll be able to have a client to test a lab environment
[09:35] <mhz> so before that, all is theory to me
[09:36] <lucasvo> I need to learn python
[09:36] <Burgwork> lucasvo, not that hart
[09:37] <lucasvo> so that I can push development of s-c-p a littlebit forward 
[09:37] <Burgwork> hard, even
[09:37] <mhz> lucasvo: do you manage a lang. already?
[09:37] <lucasvo> Burgwork: hm, I think I will read the python code of s-c-p
[09:37] <lucasvo> mhz: only php
[09:38] <mhz> lucasvo: so python will be a piece of cake to you
[09:38] <Burgwork> lucasvo, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/
[09:38] <lucasvo> the problem is I will also have to learn gtk and glade
[09:38] <lucasvo> Burgwork: I already have local checkout
[09:38] <mhz> read a small book called "How to think like a computer scientist, from Python"
[09:39] <lucasvo> mhz: ebook?
[09:39] <Burgwork> dive into python is already shipped on your machine, provided you have ubuntu
[09:39] <mhz> hmmm, pdf good? lucasvo ?
[09:40] <mhz> Burgwork: does this make sense to you?: "Shared browsing"
[09:41] <lucasvo> mhz: yes
[09:45] <lucasvo> mhz: I know what you mean with shared browsing
[09:45] <lucasvo> mhz: I already wrote something about that in the wiki
[09:46] <mhz> but what exactly that means?
[09:47] <lucasvo> mhz: see -> TeachersPet
[09:47] <mhz> what kind of browsing?
[09:47] <mhz> I am :)
[09:47] <lucasvo> Guided webbrowsing: allows the teacher to guide pupils to a webpage on their pc.
[09:47] <mhz> duh!
[09:47] <lucasvo> another program has the same feauture
[09:47] <mhz> then it is Shared Webpages browsing
[09:48] <mhz> otherwise, i could also say Shared System Brwosing
[09:48] <lucasvo> I translated it wit guided webbrowsing
[09:50] <lucasvo> Burgwork: is vnc working for you?
[09:50] <lucasvo> Burgwork: I mean in s-c-p
[09:50] <mhz> yup, that makes sense too
[09:52] <Burgwork> lucasvo, haven't tried it
[09:53] <Burgwork> scp I mean
[09:53] <lucasvo> Burgwork: could you try?
[09:53] <lucasvo> Traceback (most recent call last):
[09:53] <lucasvo>   File "student-control-panel", line 48, in <lambda>
[09:53] <lucasvo>     self.vnc.connect("clicked", lambda w: self.vnc_conn(treeselection))
[09:53] <lucasvo>   File "student-control-panel", line 240, in vnc_conn
[09:53] <lucasvo>     pid = vnc.pid
[09:53] <lucasvo> AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'pid'
[09:53] <lucasvo> I get this output... but I don't understand the sourcecode
[09:54] <Burgwork> lucasvo, currently at work where i have no access to an edubuntu install
[09:55] <lucasvo> Burgwork: where are you from?
[09:56] <mhz> Burgwork: can a software have 'ability' to do something
[09:57] <Burgwork> mhz, probably would call it a feature
[09:57] <mhz> me too
[09:57] <Burgwork> lucasvo, Victoria, BC, Canada
[09:58] <mhz> any sinonym?
[09:58] <Burgwork> I work for these people --> www.userful.com
[09:58] <Burgwork> mhz, ability == feature
[09:58] <mhz> hehehe, ok
[10:08] <mhz> lucasvo: any email address i can send my version to ?
[10:10] <lucasvo> mhz: lucasv__@__gmx__.ch
[10:10] <lucasvo> oh wrong
[10:10] <lucasvo> mhz: lucasvo__@__gmx__.ch
[10:10] <mhz> okis
[10:11] <lucasvo> thx
[10:12] <mhz> lucasvo: Burgwork: mail is happily traveling to your inbox
[10:13] <lucasvo> since I moved to ubuntu from debian, I didn't configure my cool exim with direct filtering on IMAP 
[10:14] <mhz> lucasvo: me is still ignorant on that too. Exim or postfix have not been set on this laptop
[10:14] <lucasvo> is it a sin to use server as a workstation?
[10:14] <mhz> Burgwork: userful.com looks good. On which env. do that work?
[10:15] <lucasvo> opteron?>
[10:15] <mhz> sin? hmmm, it depends on what the workstation does
[10:16] <lucasvo> it is just insecure I think
[10:19] <mhz> Burgwork: nevermind, I already saw the 'linux' part :)
[10:19] <Burgwork> mhz, we build DiscoverStation on Fedora Core 4, but you can use the multi-headed bit on just about any modern distro, including Ubuntu
[10:19] <Burgwork> mhz, thanks for the translation
[10:19] <mhz> Burgwork: very similar to what we're trying to do in Tecnocimiento
[10:20] <lucasvo> AMD Opteron 165, Dual Core, 1800MHz, 64Bit, BOX < is this good?
[10:20] <mhz> np
[10:20] <mhz> lucasvo: i can't give opinion on that
[10:20] <Burgwork> mhz, there may be some work that you might care about coming out in the next moth
[10:21] <Burgwork> lucasvo, dapper edbuntu will do 64 bit servers and 32 bit clients, I think
[10:21] <lucasvo> Burgwork: that's cool
[10:21] <mhz> Burgwork: what kind of work?
[10:21] <lucasvo> Burgwork: but than I have these problems with flash only on 32bit
[10:22] <Burgwork> mhz, http://openuserful.org/
[10:24] <Burgwork> lucasvo, true but blame macromedia, not the edubuntu team
[10:24] <Burgwork> mhz, lucasvo the translated stuff on the wiki. Thanks a great deal mhz 
[10:24] <lucasvo> Burgwork: of course
[10:27] <mhz> lucasvo: I felt so radical when I decided to move from OSX and Apple biz model (I was a partner)  into Gnu/Linux freedom.. but I understood that every freedom comes with a price.
[10:27] <lucasvo> my school has mac
[10:28] <lucasvo> mhz: out of what?
[10:28] <mhz> Burgwork: no problem, I enjoyed translating tech stuff (maybe the only subject i like to translate)
[10:28] <mhz> lucasvo: I made money from working using Flash
[10:29] <Burgwork> mhz, our entire login screen in DiscoverStation is done in flash, a fact which I discovered to my horror yesterday
[10:29] <mhz> and from helping apple dealers in chile
[10:29] <mhz> Burgwork: LOL! and terrified!
[10:30] <lucasvo> mhz: aha
[10:31] <lucasvo> I actually quite like apple HW
[10:31] <mhz> me too
[10:31] <lucasvo> especially the design
[10:31] <lucasvo> and the simplyness :D
[10:31] <lucasvo> I have an iBook, I don't know any better small notebook
[10:31] <lucasvo> maybe powerbook?
[10:33] <mhz> lucasvo: but that hardware is also forcing you to use other Apple HW if the first machine neds to be recovered
[10:33] <mhz> lucasvo: i really understand and like the design
[10:36] <mhz> lucasvo: my point was (when I decided to be radical) that if I had an Audi and had a problem with it, and to solve that problem I was forced to have access to  another Audi, then even the HW development model was as invasive as M$
[10:37] <mhz> lucasvo: and a better small notebook could be a Fujitsu Siemens and a Toshiba Libretto (the one I would love to have)
[10:37] <lucasvo> Libretto? the jewelcase size one/
[10:37] <lucasvo> ?
[10:37] <mhz> even a Sharp!
[10:38] <mhz> i guess.
[10:44] <lucasvo> exactly
[10:44] <lucasvo> it also has to be cheap
[10:46] <lucasvo> http://www.deltacomputer.de/produkte/cluster/D80z.shtml < something like this :D
[10:46] <lucasvo> that would be a freakin ltsp server
[10:52] <mhz> wow!, lucasvo that looks like a real server
[10:54] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez/BooksToRead  lucasvo 
[11:06] <lucasvo> mhz: thanks
[11:27] <agente87> hi lucasvo
[11:27] <lucasvo> hi agente87 
[11:28] <mhz> hi agente87 
[11:34] <agente87> one question, how can i decompress an ace archive?
[11:35] <lucasvo> ace?
[11:35] <lucasvo> never heard of it :D
[11:35] <agente87> ace, like rar and zip
[11:36] <lucasvo> I can't help you, sry
[11:36] <agente87> thanks
[11:44] <lucasvo> ogra: I am missing the powerbutton in ldm :D
[12:00] <Burgwork> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[12:01] <Burgwork> agente87, ^
[12:03] <fitzwillie> Anyone lend a hand to someone trying to install for the first time?