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lukacugood night01:19
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klepasanyone awake?02:30
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klepashi05:50
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artnayklepas: hey06:34
artnayhttp://fridge.ubuntu.com/event - artwork team needs to have meeting this year x)07:27
artnayany suggestions for a date?07:28
artnay24th, err.07:28
Tm_T:o07:47
Tm_Terh, I just realised that I didn't have cursor themes installed07:48
artnaydid you find a decent one?07:50
Tm_Tyu07:50
Tm_Tone from klo and another is basic whiteglass07:51
Tm_Tok, time to reboot with updates ->07:53
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artnayhey guys, do you have any suggestions for meetings?09:45
artnayhow about at least one gathering once a month?09:45
Tm_Tsounds good to me09:46
artnaywhat about time? people involved in this seem to be from all over world09:46
artnayso what time would be suitable?09:46
artnaydamn, no KDE lock available at the moment :(09:47
artnayhow about the dates? should we pick up a date? it's better way than "every first wednesday of the month"09:52
lukacuhello artnay, i think the weekend is the best choice09:52
artnaylet's gather something up and then post a proposal to list09:52
artnaylukacu: maybe true. then if some important people are always unable to attend on saturday... I don't know09:53
artnayI've been browsing the mailing list and the posts considering a meeting09:53
artnayyou do the same :)09:53
lukacuok09:53
artnayhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2005-July/000046.html09:59
artnaylukacu: I see you replied there10:02
lukacuyes, but that was june ... i think the situation is a bit different now10:02
artnayI was just going to ask ;)10:03
artnayso any GMT suggestions after reading all those threads?10:04
lukacui wanted to attend that first meeting but the time was realy unfriandly for europe-dwelling folks10:04
artnayyep, but volvoguy lives in states and andyfitz in australia. this is problematic ;)10:05
lukacuyes i know ... but there are lot of active members of the art team in europe and they should not be ignored :)10:06
artnaytrue, therefore we need the contact page to be updated10:07
artnayso we could see from where the majority is coming from10:07
artnayblah, don't mind the typos10:07
lukacui dont mind them ... i do a lot of them myself ;)10:08
artnaystill we understand each other, that's the most important thing10:09
lukacu:)10:09
lukacuhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2005-July/000109.html10:10
lukacuthere is a chance that volvoguy and andyfitz change mornings and evenings ...10:11
lukacudont know if that is still possible though10:12
artnaymeeting has been added to to-do list10:13
artnaythat should be covered in wiki10:14
artnayI guess I mail volvoguy once again10:15
artnayand invite him here10:15
lukacuyes ... he is a bit inactive ... problems with health i assume. hope he is ok10:17
artnayhe's recovering10:22
artnaymost definitely10:22
lukacuthats good10:22
lukacubut for the future i think that we need to distribute the roles a bit more ... 10:24
artnaywe should clearify the roles in the first place10:25
lukacueg. a substitute coordinator ...10:25
artnaythat way people would know who to contact in certain matters etc.10:25
lukacuyes10:25
artnaycontact page is one option, it states there that it would be nice if you could add what you'd like to do :)10:25
artnayspeaking of the bad grammar... ;)10:26
lukacu:)10:26
artnaywhen the roles are clear, we can do some sort of schedule10:27
artnaybefore that we're just wasting time by not being organized10:27
artnaya schedule for meetings and goals for dapper...10:28
lukacuthe problem is that there is a bunch of people on this channel and most of them are not talking10:29
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artnayhi there, Riddell.10:32
Riddellhola10:32
Riddellhmm, irssi window 5610:33
artnay47 :(10:33
Riddella main artwork wiki page seems sensible10:33
artnayanyways, the structure of wiki. what do you think of it? by unifying the pages between different projects, the end-user could find information more easily10:34
artnaywe've been trying to find artwork people behind Kubuntu and Xubuntu10:34
artnayis there any idea to add something like (Kubuntu KWin) after your name at /ArtTeam?10:35
artnaythat way we would know who's working on what10:35
artnayas there's no separate project pages yet (that would include participants, dependencies between projects, current issues etc.)10:36
Riddellthere's no paticular kubuntu artwork person, I just poke whoever is around until they make something cool10:38
lukacuartnay: i will add my interests next to my name now...10:39
artnayhehe. maybe if we could organize a bit, make it easy to find the needed information from wiki, people might contribute more than they are now doing10:40
artnayRiddell: are you interested to brand Kubuntu's KDE? (what a silly question, right?)10:41
artnayI should stfu, I can't type today10:42
artnayif we could minimize the need to browse several different sites and FAQs, compilation of decos etc. by providing pre-made themes as .debs, that would make it easy to change the feeling that DE gives10:46
Riddellartnay: KDE is a strong part of the kubuntu brand so I try to keep it both close to KDE and give it it's own Kubuntu identity10:46
artnaylots of people seem to dislike Kubuntu just because "it's blue" and they don't have the needed knowledge to change what they want easily10:46
Riddellwhat's wrong with blue!10:46
artnayRiddell: :D10:46
artnayjust provide an easy way to change the feeling of DE. some do like GNOME being blue, some KDE being brown. I'm not saying that defaults should be changed, but just to give an option10:48
Riddellyep10:48
artnaybut what we're lacking here? the structure. we wanted to have more opinions, only like four or five people have been thinking about it (or at least only they have been commenting)10:52
artnayand since there's no replies on the mailing list, we decided to invite people here to discuss10:53
lukacuartnay: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam ... your turn now ;)10:53
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artnayadded myself10:58
lukacuperhaps now more will follow our lead ...10:59
artnayhopefully11:00
artnayRiddell: and hey, I haven't said "thanks" for KDE yet ;)11:00
Riddellyou're welcome :)11:01
Tm_Thmm, I think I found some "bug" in cursor theme11:02
artnayTm_T: not the official one, right?11:02
Tm_Tartnay: "whiteglass" theme11:02
Tm_Tit's not full or half of cursors doesn't work11:03
Tm_Tdunno which  one11:03
artnayhow come I'm not able to find it? just found the homepage for darkglass :/11:04
Tm_TI can't find it either using google11:05
artnayapt-file search whiteglass ;>11:05
Tm_Taye11:05
Tm_Tit's in...11:05
artnayxcursor-themes11:06
Tm_Tyes11:06
artnayis it a bug in ubuntu package? oh yeah, you're using dapper... ;)11:07
artnayanyways, someone should test it on breezy11:07
Tm_Taye11:07
artnayand if you're able to find bugs on artwork, please file 'em11:07
Tm_Tit was full theme in hoary11:07
Tm_Tnever remembered to install it in breezy =)11:07
artnaylukacu: how many artworkers have you spoken with? if you can get more people online, it would be appreciated. :)11:10
lukacuartnay: recently none ... except you :)11:11
lukacubut lets try spamming the ML :D11:13
artnaylukacu: if you like to send an invitation, do it already. ;)11:15
artnayor should we just mail people personally? (use the addresses that are available at /ArtTeam)11:16
lukacudont know ... i for one have listed my not-so-very-personal email there ;)11:17
artnayme too, but I still do get a notification if mail drops there11:18
artnayhave you seen this one: http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/8511:19
lukacuyup ...uploaded it myself :)11:20
artnayoh, I didn't know that (how obvious)11:21
lukacunot very obvious ... not many people know that i am one of the auc admins, perhaps the only active admin right now11:23
lukacuwell ... not so very active but still11:23
artnayklepas too11:23
artnaywhat about art-web? it's unusable, right?11:23
lukacuyes11:23
artnayhave you tried the cvs version?11:23
lukacui am not the server admin11:24
lukacucannot upload new system ... i think so11:24
artnaywell at least some of the bugs and usability issues have been written down: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt_2fToDo11:25
artnaybut would it be easier to get a new CMS?11:26
lukacuwe had this discussion before ... i am not very familiar with this kind of cms-es11:27
lukacuand the system is already up and running11:28
artnayart-web is suffering from design problems but CMS used in GNOME/KDE-look is an overkill11:28
lukacuindeed11:28
artnaysomething between both of them would be fine, I guess11:28
Tm_Thum, restarting X, let's see if setting this cursor theme to X default will help any11:32
lukacuwe need imagemagick on the auc server ... then i can write some useful scripts myself11:32
Tm_T->11:32
artnaylukacu: have you requested it?11:37
lukacuno :) ... will do it now ... or later today perhaps11:40
artnaywell that could be a short-term solution11:41
lukacuyes11:42
klepasi11:52
klepasoh, mean to say hi11:52
lukacuhi klepas11:53
artnayhey klepas 11:57
artnay:o :o11:57
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klepaswish we could move AUC to a better CMS12:02
lukacuwrite henrik about that then12:02
klepasyea12:05
artnayor maybe we could ask what are the top priorities in art-web development12:06
klepaswhen the mail server is back u[ =\12:06
artnayif you're not pleased, then change to better if possible12:06
klepasyep12:07
klepasmy dad has suggested grabbing the CMS that GNOME/KDE look uses12:07
klepasand installing it locally on our server12:07
klepasand then adding some content12:07
klepasand making some users12:07
klepasopening a port12:07
artnaytest case12:07
klepasyep12:07
klepasand giving people an alternative12:07
klepasbecause right now adding content to the art-web system is an absolute pain12:08
lukacuyup ... agree on that :)12:09
klepaslukacu: would you be interesed in testing GNOME/KDE-look's CMS?12:10
lukacuif you set it up then yes12:12
klepaslovely12:12
artnayI bet that CMS is available from sourceforge12:12
klepasmight do so then12:12
klepasprobably12:13
lukacugreat12:13
artnayomg12:16
artnay12:15  rcappuccio> I hope to finish the API before Christmas12:16
artnayyay, hopefully kubuntu dapper will include kat be default :o12:17
artnays/be/by12:17
klepaskat takes up a huge amount of sys resources i am told12:17
klepasand makes KDE a complete lagmonster12:17
artnayit's being completely rewritten12:17
artnaythat's because of sqlite312:17
artnaylast time I tried to compile it from svn, it didn't even make daemon... *g*12:18
artnayanyways, while it worked, it was a beast12:18
artnayI really hope to see it in future KDE versions and the integration with konqueror12:19
klepasi hope if that is so i can turn it off12:19
artnaythe new API will have spaces etc. that can be used in amaroK etc.12:19
klepasand uninstall it12:19
artnayhaha, no way :) once you get used to a powerful metaindexer, you're not switching x)12:20
artnayspeaking of myself there12:20
klepaslol12:20
klepasnah12:20
klepasif they stick in kat12:20
klepasand don't allow you to disable it/remove it12:21
artnaywell it's being planned to be a part of tenor12:21
klepasi'm switching to KDE12:21
artnayit's KDE, of course you're able to switch it off12:21
klepas/KDE/GNOME12:21
klepasof course that is if kat sucks12:21
artnaywell this guy is developing it all by himself12:22
artnayso extra help wouldn't hurt12:22
klepashehe12:22
klepasif i were to try and help i screw everyone up12:23
artnay"me too"12:23
artnayklepas: did you look at the wiki?12:25
artnayit's been separated a bit12:25
klepaswhich page(s)?>12:25
artnayumh, contact has been renewed. introduction should be renewed any time soon12:26
artnaytoo much information in it, we should finally move the current /UbuntuArtwork to /UbuntuArtworkResources or something like that12:26
klepasyup12:27
artnayand then build /UbuntuArtwork from scratch and do some linking12:27
artnaythe first thing would be the building of /Artwork though12:28
klepasyes, definitely12:28
klepastalking with jdub now12:28
artnayabout what, may I ask?12:28
klepasin #slug (sydney linux user group)12:28
klepashis support for an art team meeting12:28
klepasand him posting it for us on the Fridge12:29
artnaythat's cool. we must be sure that volvoguy is present then12:29
artnayalso it would be nice to see AndyFitz and bvc as well12:29
klepasyes12:29
klepasi'm sure they'll come12:29
artnaywhich date and GMT time?12:30
klepasGMT12:30
klepasdate..12:30
klepaseither this weekend12:30
artnaynaaah, whatever. just post it ;D12:30
klepasor sometime next week12:30
klepasASAP though!12:31
artnaytrue, true.12:31
klepasMOTU meeting in 7 hours12:31
artnayoh, btw. http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/images/screenshots/dapper/gfxboot-big.png12:33
artnayusplash got some love, now bigger resolutions are possible (afaik)12:33
artnayalthough the splash image has to be 640x40012:33
klepasnice12:35
klepasbut... rip-off from Suse12:35
klepasso much of a rip-off12:35
klepas:P12:35
artnay:>12:36
artnayI'm not commenting12:38
klepaslol12:40
klepasit so is12:40
klepasSuse had that with suse 10.012:40
artnayit's an ugly kernel hack :p12:40
klepasanyone who sees it will be like "Suse had that first!"12:40
artnayanyways, we should get those xubuntu artworkers here12:40
artnaywell I'll go buy candies and ciggies, brb12:42
lukacui will also leave now ... ill be back later12:50
klepasdon't know about myself12:54
artnaymmm01:02
klepasmight watch something and go to sleep01:07
klepasi can't access my mail atm01:07
klepasso i can't send out anything01:07
klepas=\01:07
klepasmight try again tomorrow01:07
artnayok01:09
artnaywell01:09
artnayI might do something to wiki later today01:09
artnaysomething minor, I can't do big changes before we have a discussion01:09
klepasyea01:14
klepaswhich is why we have to do it soon01:15
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artnaywhat's going on, mauricio? what time is it there? 6:30 am?01:32
mhzsee? we have a little time problme :)01:32
artnaylater klepas 01:32
mhz09:3001:32
artnayoh :)01:32
mhzsee you klepas 01:32
klepas23:3201:32
artnay14:3201:32
mhzartnay: i fell asleep on the couch01:32
klepasi'll dooze in and out of the channel01:33
klepasjust expect me when you least expect me :)01:33
mhzhehehe01:33
mhzjust when we mention your name :)01:33
klepaslol01:33
artnaymhz: there has been a lot of discussion in here01:33
klepasperhaps01:33
klepasmhz: check the logs01:34
artnay#ubuntu-artwork has been flooded today ;)01:34
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mhzso it seems01:34
mhzklepas: artnay: so far, my thoughts are: if only 2 people do the lead.. 2 they are. In other words, many will follow the lead in the end01:35
mhzand 'meritocracy' will come up01:35
artnaybut we need critique in order to get wiki constructed properly01:36
artnayand more ideas01:36
mhzI am commited on so many ubuntu/edubuntu things that I hardly find time to be more active on the things I have less skills (artwork and  accessibility teams)01:37
artnay:(01:38
mhzartnay: indeed, I really agree on that01:38
mhzopinions are very important01:38
mhzand needed01:38
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mhzbut, on the other hand... if the most active people dont get collaboration (in perfect timing) as expected, then we can only do what we can with the resources he have01:39
artnaywell we've been waiting something to happen01:41
artnayproposal is on the list, people have been invited to discuss with each other01:41
artnaymaybe we should post an open letter to ubuntuforums' art talk section... :o01:42
mhzFor instance, I would love to do things such wallpapers, icons, themes, etc. but AFAIK, the time I spend on learning how to work with graphics  apps. is equivalent to the time I could spend on contributing :(01:42
mhzI guess that people like you are meant to lead and do the kick off01:44
mhzif you know about the needs or have a clear thought of what should be done (priorities), then I will obviously follow the lead (as I think I have so far, being so passive)01:45
artnaywell all of us have opinions, but I just happened to be the one that wrote some of them down and gave it to public in order to create discussion01:46
mhzon other teams (like EdubuntuChile, and EdubuntuChileanTour, I am the active one because I ah ve been more into it and my skills are already there, no need to learn from scratch :) )01:46
mhzartnay: true01:47
artnayand that was because I didn't see anything to happen for a few months01:47
artnaythat's too long timespan when cycle is 6 months01:47
mhzplease do not feel down, in the edubuntu list, I have sent opinions, reuqests etc, and sometimes, I still get no answers :(01:47
mhzartnay: yes, you are absolutely right01:48
artnaywell I'm happy to see there's more people who think the same: something should be done asap01:48
mhzthat is why meritocracy is the key01:48
mhzartnay: what do you do for living?01:49
artnaymhz: I work for an ISP01:49
mhzand why are you interested in artwork?01:50
artnaywell that's what I did before this job, I was a webdev01:50
artnayand the main reason is that I don't find Ubuntu's GUI to be as good as it could be and I wanted just to give my opinion on it (like anybody cares actually)01:51
artnayand then I got into this mess :)01:51
artnaybetter keep it shut than yell it loudly01:52
mhzhehehe01:52
artnayif I just could follow that hint *g*01:52
mhzartnay: so when you detect a need, and think of a solutions, that mental processing rate is muh faster than mine, because you've been there.01:53
mhzMe, on the contrary, I am a translator and interepreter who has worked as a teacher and IT support guy.01:53
artnayand how old were you? 30?01:54
mhzso my 'been there' skills are more related to translating and detecting needs to pass them along to someone else to actually work on solutions (developers and designers)01:54
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mhzartnay: 30, indeed01:56
artnayI just feel I should give something back. Ubuntu works ok, I want to help if I just can01:56
mhzthen "show some code", I know you already have the skills.01:56
mhzwhatever contribution you can make, it is mstry appreciated by the ones who dont know how to contribute01:57
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artnayyes, I get you. Trying to find all possible information related to Ubuntu artwork wasn't so easy. now we're trying to get it into one place so everyone can find and access it easily01:58
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artnayanyways, a meeting here would be a nice christmas present for artwork team. get the goals and priorities straight02:01
artnaybut hey, I'm done here at work. later guys!02:06
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mhzDanten: bach_skol, mgalvin: artnay and klepas are suggesting/organizing the ArtWork meeting. Will you participate in it? 03:23
mhzIIRC it's set for sunday03:23
mgalvini don't know how much I can contribute but I will help out in some areas if I can (or have time to)03:25
mhzmgalvin: thanks03:25
mgalvinnp03:26
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mhzre11:29
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