[12:08] <Nafallo> Keybuk: oh! will we have NetworkManager btw? :-)
[12:08] <Keybuk> probably not
[12:09] <Keybuk> because it sucks
[12:09] <Nafallo> it does? wfm :-)
[12:09] <Keybuk> it only works properly on IPW* cards
[12:09] <Keybuk> completely fucks up on Atheros
[12:09] <Nafallo> add ralink to where it works :-)
[12:10] <Keybuk> "ralink" ?
[12:10] <Nafallo> yea, we have the drivers in our default kernel :-)
[12:10] <Nafallo> rt2400/rt2500/rt2570
[12:10] <Keybuk> what are those?
[12:10] <Keybuk> oh, wifi drivers
[12:10] <Keybuk> it's a bit moot, because I have an Atheros ;)
[12:10] <Keybuk> so it's a bit hard to test it and certify it for readyness <g>
[12:11] <Nafallo> well, if that's where it needs work... ;-)
[12:12] <Nafallo> it's probably not ready in that case. but we might want to put the stuff from bootlab in universe for dapper then? :-)
[12:12] <Nafallo> he has a patch for bind9 to use dbus and stuff :-P
[12:12] <Keybuk> we don't want bind9 in main
[12:12] <Keybuk> uh, sorry
[12:12] <Keybuk> we don't want bind9 in desktop
[12:12] <Keybuk> *ahem*
[12:12] <Nafallo> agreed
[12:12] <Keybuk> we spent long enough getting rid of the default mta
[12:13] <Keybuk> patching glibc to allow resolv.conf changing is a much better idea
[12:13] <Nafallo> seems it doesn't even use it for me atm :-P
[12:13] <jbailey> Keybuk: Right.
[12:13] <jbailey> Keybuk: Got that patch for me? =)
[12:13] <Nafallo> nafallo@darkelf:~/devel/nm $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:13] <Nafallo> # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit!
[12:13] <Nafallo> search magicalforest.se
[12:13] <Nafallo> nameserver 192.168.0.1
[12:13] <Nafallo> nameserver 192.168.0.1
[12:14] <Nafallo> that doesn't use 127.0.0.1, so why the dep on bind9? :-)
[12:14] <Keybuk> jbailey: it's linked in the spec
[12:14] <jbailey> NetworkMagic?
[12:14] <Nafallo> Keybuk: anyway, if you don't work on it I'm free to play with it in universe? :-)
[12:14] <Keybuk> http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2004-09/msg00130.html
[12:21] <jbailey> 'kay.  Maybe I'll drop that in tonight.
[12:29] <jbailey> Does this mean we might actually get NM for dapper?
[12:32] <Nafallo> I've been using it the whole dapper cycle atleast ;-)
[12:32] <Nafallo> and it's been behaving aswell :-)
[12:33] <Nafallo> any reason not to have dchroot in main? :-)
[12:37] <jbailey> Nafallo: If you use dchroot, you might be interested in http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/bzrtree/dchrootmgr/
[12:37] <Nafallo> I don't yet. but it would be a nice thing to have :-).
[12:37] <jbailey> Nafallo: I'm just starting it whenever I have time, but the README should be an adequate explanation, as well as the code should be decently commented.
[12:37] <Nafallo> "dhcrootmgr is a collection of scripts designed to keep me from wiping out
[12:37] <Nafallo> my homedir by accident.  again."
[12:38] <Nafallo> yay, exactly the reason I don't use it :-P
[12:41] <Nafallo> hmm, looks nice from the README atleast :-)
[12:43] <jbailey> Right.  All it does so far is run debootstrap for you.
[12:43] <jbailey> I should put more effort into it.
[12:43] <jbailey> But if you feel like flushiing out the README with more requirements, or feel like writing parts of it, lemme know.
[12:43] <Nafallo> bzr pull http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/bzrtree/dchrootmgr/
[12:43] <Nafallo> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /
[12:43] <Nafallo> oh
[12:43] <Nafallo> my bad :-P
[12:44] <jbailey> Err...
[12:44] <jbailey> Right. =)
[12:54] <Nafallo> * Make --without-named work (j@bootlab.org)
[12:54] <Nafallo> NetworkManager 0.5.0
[01:27] <Nafallo> Keybuk: what NetworkManager is it that does not work for you ooi? :-)
[01:29] <Keybuk> from a few weeks back
[01:29] <Keybuk> I don't expect them to have fixed it yet, last time I looked the n-m authors were asserting it was a driver problem
[01:29] <Keybuk> and were doing the "well, if you will own a card with non-free drivers" sulk
[01:30] <Keybuk> unless there's a ChangeLog entry along the lines of "don't actively scan for new networks" then it's still broken
[01:31] <Nafallo> 2005-10-19  Robert Love  <rml@novell.com>
[01:31] <Nafallo> last stable update ^ :-P