[12:03] it was iwj@ === veli_ [n=fdsf@85.99.226.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] alp === veli_ [n=fdsf@85.99.226.90] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] golly, X uploads are entertaining now [12:13] oh? [12:13] what's broken today? [12:14] oh, dunno, just entertained by buttloads of change mails instead of one lonely one ;) [12:23] hehe :-) [12:25] mmm, "butt loads" [12:26] it's only 155+ no? :-) === ssam [n=ssam@88-104-132-192.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] seb128, still here ? === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-078-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] ogra: pong [12:51] is it bad when you laugh out loud at kernel changelogs? [12:51] elmo: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ -> bizarre! (haw haw) [12:53] Keybuk, you know the answer [12:55] hahaha: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/linux-doomsday [12:56] hey jdub, did you make any progress on the planet ubuntu synching thing? [12:57] not yet === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] jdub, :( is it a tricky problem? === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] last time i checked, yes [12:58] argh [12:59] jdub, you can't just get direct access to the server and work your stuff directly there? [12:59] mdke: i am guessing youve never met elmo [01:00] tseng, well I know that people have write access to certain files on the servers [01:00] but no, i haven't met him [01:01] but it would only be write access to one file tbh ;) [01:04] dude, i've explained before that it's not as simple as that, kthxbye, etc. === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] jdub, ok chill i was just making a suggestion, don't forget it's been broken for several months now. i was just trying to help [01:09] we set up a planet on ubuntu-it recently, and it was as simple as that [01:09] but no more shall be said from now on, sorry === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] infinity: ping === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] Nafallo : Pong. [01:58] infinity: did you say pkg-config was the fault and not linuxdcpp? [01:58] infinity: and ehm, could you give-back gnome-phone-manager? :-) === auxesis [n=lindsay@107.24.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] I was jumping the gun. SOMETHING is to blame, but I'm not quite sure who. The environment is getting an impossible variable set, which is upsetting the shell. === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] if it's not scons, and not pkg-config. what could it be? :-P [02:02] AND it builds fine in pbuilder ;-) [02:02] Yeah, I'll need to strace it and see who's setting that variable and why. === BlueDevil [n=mircea@81.196.151.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:02] Patience. This isn't the only thing I have to do today. :) [02:03] hehe, no problem. 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[04:13] preferably with a plain white background [04:15] ooh, machine locks up on boot now [04:15] fun === ajmitch spots the server team announcement.. [04:16] immediately after shpchp is loaded (according to verbose recovery boot) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] ajmitch, HEAVY METAL === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@tor/session/x-e53f3819c8e87d45] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc_ [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:37] hrm, even -7 halts at detecting and activating hardware [04:37] d'oh [04:37] guess it's boot'n'chroot time whenever this gets fixed ;-) [04:38] or reroot the livecd.. === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mojo [n=mojo@220-244-248-54.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:01] hmm, weird, I already removed OOo from my Dapper, and I install a new language using Language Selector and it install translation pack for OOo, Bugs? or Non-implemented issue? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [i=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Snarius [n=ubuntu@adsl-221-52-71.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:57] lamont-away, infinity: please give-back mono on ppc === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moquist_ [n=moquist@londonderry-cuda1-68-171-194-42.lndnnh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=adpenara@203.131.155.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock is now known as LaserJock_ [06:54] slomo_ : Same segv failure the second time. === Gman_ [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ is now known as Gman- === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.32.253] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-170-53.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:09] Good morning [07:19] infinity: the new make version in Debian seems to fix cdbs; shall we sync it? [07:20] pitti; did you get that launchpad bug i assigned to you a bit back? [07:20] desrt: Hi! not sure which bug you mean [07:20] pitti; gpg [07:21] desrt: I mostly neglected my bug mail this week, too much security stuff [07:21] not pushing for a resoution... i just seriously don't know how launchpad works :p [07:21] desrt: yes, I saw some gpg issue [07:21] ah. excellent. that's all i wanted to know :) [07:21] #570 [07:21] #5570 even [07:22] yes. that one. [07:22] pitti : Up to you. If you've tested this theory, go ahead. [07:22] obviously no rush... pretty minor [07:23] infinity: at least all *my* packages work now again [07:24] infinity: flight-2 is out, let's challenge our luck :) [07:24] You maintain CDBS packages? [07:24] Eww. [07:24] infinity: packages that use cdbs, yes [07:24] I don't love you anymore. [07:24] infinity; he maintains HAL. the worst cdbs package of all. [07:24] desrt: I doubt that; cups is definitively worse [07:25] but i never feel the desire to hack cups so it doesn't affect me :) [07:25] although I still want to refuse that I maintain cups, but reality teaches me another thing === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:34] I deny maintaining everything with my name in the maintainer or uploaders field, it's easy. [07:35] "Say Adam, do you maintai--" ... "NO! Piss off!" ... "Uhh, ooookay... " [07:35] Speaking of... [07:36] pitti : I accidentally joined the Debian Berkeley DB team earlier today, so if you have any pet bugs in libdb* (other than their existance), let me know. [07:37] heh [07:37] infinity: I usually try to stay away from libdb as far as I can, and none of my packages use them, so I don't really have any particular ones [07:38] Ahh, lucky you. [07:38] infinity: but speaking of which, is 4.3 or 4.4 the true db we should go for in dapper? [07:38] libdb and I have a long history with apache, php, and subversion, so it just made sense to take the lib too. [07:38] seeing that there was yet another version made me cty [07:38] pitti : I've just been discussing this in #debian-release. === fabbione suggests to stay with 4. [07:38] 3 [07:39] wow, Debian's first kernel security update since sarge [07:39] pitti : Trying to convince the world to switch to 4.4.. If I can get Debian buy-in, then we can switch easily. === dous [n=adpenara@203.131.155.132] has left #ubuntu-devel ["ERC] [07:39] pitti : If Debian's not moving, I don't want to become gratuitously incompatible (for packages that use translation logs) [07:41] infinity: right, packages that use transactions are hard to convert anyway? so we'll probably need to keep 4.3 and 3 [07:41] erm, s/4.3/4.2/ [07:41] Don't see why. [07:42] Anyone with 4.2 installed from breezy won't have it magically removed on upgrade. [07:42] infinity: is there any upgrade tool from upstream that can convert log files? [07:42] Oh, except for aptitude users. They lose, I guess. [07:42] infinity: no, but if we build new packages against 4.3, then upgrading that package will break data compatibility [07:42] Nothing I've found yet. We have an icky README in subvesion. [07:42] subversion, too. [07:43] Very few packages actually use transaction logs. === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.17.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:43] SVN is one of the few, but the bump seems less scary when you consider that FSFS (not BDB) has been the default repo format for ages now. [07:43] infinity: evolution does at least in the code, but I haven't found log files on the disk, so we might be lucky [07:43] If I had some spare time, I could probably write an upgrade tool that didn't suck too terribly much. [07:44] Yeah, "use transactions" != "use transaction logs" [07:44] infinity: oh, the number of packages that use 4.2 has dropped drastically [07:44] BDB lets you do transactions in memory, which is a lot more common. [07:44] drac, exim4, openldap2[.2] , OO.o, php5 [07:44] php5 is building here. [07:44] right, that should be fine [07:44] For about the 30th time. [07:45] exim4 is pain-free to upgrade, we should just do it. [07:45] oh, and apache2 [07:45] It already has logic to wipe out incompatible DB hashfiles on upgrade, IIRC. [07:45] apache2 already switched. [07:45] oh, it just appeared in melanie? [07:45] ... [07:46] ** libapache2-mod-perl2 has an unsatisfied dependency on amd64: libdb4.2 [07:46] Oh, mod_perl2 != apache2 [07:46] Scare me like that.... [07:46] ah, sorry [07:46] mod_perl2 can be rebuilt easily enough. === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:47] Uploading an Xbuild1 should magically fix it, in fact. [07:47] It doesn't directly build-dep on libdb. [07:47] (Which means it probably shouldn't link it either, but whatever) [07:48] yeah, one of those excess dependencies vorlon complained about [07:48] *sigh* XSS in mod_imap [07:48] Yeah. I'll sort that later. For now, it can just be rebuilt. [07:49] mod_imap as in ImageMap, not mail, right? [07:49] yes [07:49] Man. I didn't think anyone even used server side image maps anymore. [07:49] In fact, I'll bet no one does. [07:49] Oh well. Forward me the report, I'll fix up apache* [07:50] infinity: let's do php first [07:50] pitti++ [07:50] infinity: i need php5 for -server too [07:50] It's a few dozen test builds into maybe being done.. Ish. :) [07:51] PHP and I are having some philosophical arguments. [07:51] Mostly about how much I should hate upstream. [07:52] Poor infinity. He changes distribution, and *still* can't get php off him. [07:53] Now I just maintain it for two. :) [07:53] It's okay. I don't actually mind that much. It gives me something petty to complain about. [07:53] Heh === Sepheebear [n=Sepheebe@cpe-68-175-48-109.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:53] For you that would be a plus side, wouldn't it? :-P [07:54] beats complaining about things of consequence, which almost invariably leads to pissing off a lot of people in the process. [07:54] Anyhow, back to my petty PHP problems. === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-100-81.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1DC3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:03] good morning developers === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] good morning, kind sir === kagou [n=kagou@84.5.165.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] hi [08:08] who can i contact here to delete a login in the wiki and in launchpad ? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.32.253] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] kagou: ask in #launchpad [08:10] they might be able to help you [08:10] oh thanks fabbione , sorry i didn't know this chan [08:10] no problem [08:14] fabbione: oh, btw, I meant 'let's do the php security update first', not dapper stuff :) === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:17] pitti-- [08:18] ssam: it didn't make flight 2, no [08:19] Nafallo_away: i've always rocked === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sto [n=sto@debian/developer/sto] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-160-68.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] I'll quickly test the live CD before the distro meeting, brb === carlos [n=carlos@71.Red-83-53-49.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:48] infinity: what sort of philosophical arguments? :) [08:48] morning ,btw === pitti_live [n=ubuntu@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ispiked [n=ispiked@unaffiliated/ispiked] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] daniels: here? [08:50] X IS NOT BROKEN [08:50] I REFUSE TO HEAR OTHERWISE [08:50] morning daniels :) [08:50] daniels: Indeed: It works for me (TM) [08:50] daniels: it gives me shit on my 6600GT with the free driver. :-) [08:50] Mithrandir: that's your fault for using a card that's not intel [08:50] daniels: Right. My bug with it hanging appears to be a kernel bug. =/ [08:50] jbailey: score :) [08:51] daniels: In earlier versions I always got a video mode question, now the current live cd didn't ask and set up 1024x768; but my TFT is 1280x1024 [08:51] pitti_live: uhm ... the xorg source package hasn't changed since breezy :) [08:51] pitti_live: xorg.0.log and xresprobe output pls :) [08:51] jesus, too many smileys :) [08:51] the current live cd doesn't have any interactive infrastructure at all. [08:52] oh [08:52] score, SEP [08:52] nah, you should just always guess the right resolution. [08:54] brb [08:54] Mithrandir: ok, seems that this is just an arbitrary default then? [08:54] Mithrandir: we would, if you would fix xresprobe already :P [08:54] pitti_live: actually, I know what the problem is [08:54] anyway, booting back to normal system, distro meeting starts soon [08:55] daniels: great. what is it? [08:55] for some reason, we don't pick up on the EDID input flag [08:55] so we always pick LCDs as CRTs [08:55] i can't debug it because tollef hasn't made ddcprobe work on amd64 yet :P [08:55] daniels: I'm waiting for mjg59 to upload the fixed vbetool so I can nab the emulation code. [08:55] or maybe it's because I'm shit and forgot to port ddcprobe to vbetool [08:55] oh, right [08:55] either way [08:55] ok, brb [08:55] thanks [08:55] np === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1DC3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] daniels: btw, do you plan to move the magic of xserver-xorg to -core? it is inconvenient to fix /etc/X11/X when I remove xserver-xorg [09:10] pitti: no immediate plans, largely because I can't be fucked dealing with all that debconf template migration entails [09:10] oh, he [09:10] i have more pressing stuff, like fixing the configuration so people other than me can understand it ;) [09:10] I just wondered about the purpose of splitting out drivers when I can't uninstall them [09:10] well, now I did uninstall all but the ones I need, but maybe that should be supported better [09:10] pitti: it was more for ease of mainenance and updates than for people to be able to uninstall stuff [09:10] anyway, not urgent at all, thanks [09:11] ubuntu-desktop would still depend on the full compliment anyway ... === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-253-11.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] daniels: right, but that's generally first against the wall anyway :) [09:12] heh === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-48-109.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] Urhg, another problem with getting up this early is that my mirror is running and will be for some hours yet ... === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] (seriously, systemic flaws in automake are derailing us now. i hate all build systems.) [09:17] daniels: How so? Automake lets your override each rule if you feel like it/ [09:18] jbailey: distcheck builds with DESTDIR= prefix=_inst/ first [09:19] which is completely SUCK, because any path not relative to prefix gets boned [09:19] daniels: You guys install to absolute paths? [09:20] jbailey: absolutely [09:20] jbailey: we get the app-defaults directory out of pkg-config [09:20] =) [09:20] Mmm, joy. [09:20] (sort of defeats the purpose of having it there if you make it relative to $(prefix)) [09:20] in any case, that's what DESTDIR is *for* :P [09:20] Right. [09:24] Diziet: you're using another nick for the meeting? :) [09:25] sivang: multiple irc channels are hard, let's go shopping [09:25] daniels: huh ? === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] sivang: What daniels said. But s/shopping/back to sleep/ [09:26] ok :) === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz is now known as vuntz|away === maradong [n=bhentges@213.47.179.227] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-253-11.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] Riddell: do you have a demo PDF that breaks with the patch? I tested evince and xpdf with several different types of complex PDFs, and none of them choked === maradong [n=bhentges@213.47.179.227] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] Riddell: ah, wait, that change was in the gmallocn() function, right? [10:02] Riddell: because at the places I fixed for the 3.00 code, 0 byte allocs didn't make sense [10:03] pitti: http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/break-kpdf.pdf [10:03] infinity: please requeue openal on i386 [10:03] Riddell: that works fine here in evince/xpdf [10:03] was definatly give out "Bogus" before, not sure which "Bogus" it was breaking on [10:04] Riddell: ok, as I mailed, changing to < 0 is fine [10:04] I'm just scared of 0 byte allocations [10:05] doko : Done. === infinity -> dinner. [10:06] seb128: btw, regarding tight arch: any <-> all dependencies [10:06] seb128: this probably affects many -common packages for translations only? [10:06] ogra: if you don't get a 1024x768 mode in the bootloader, that's because your VESA VBE table doesn't list it (at least not with >= 16-bit colour) [10:06] (and with framebuffer support) [10:07] ogra: is Edubuntu good to release? I can do that before I run away [10:07] Kamion, it works on install [10:07] Kamion, powerpc install isnt tested (still waiting for my iMac to be shipped), the rest is good to go [10:07] I'll release it, you can note that powerpc is untested [10:08] lives working? [10:08] yup [10:08] ogra: release announcement is hereby your job, though :) [10:08] yup, will do ... [10:08] (but wait a bit) [10:08] pitti: -common tend to have the -schemas with the default settings too [10:09] but now i need some sleep, getting ppc took me until 4am .... my line dropped all the time ... didnt get much sleep [10:09] pitti: we don't use a Depends for translations only [10:09] ogra, do you need testing for amd64? [10:09] jsgotangco, nope, thats done [10:09] i can download it now and give you a report later [10:09] ahh k [10:09] and ppc install will surely still have the same bug as in breezy [10:09] ogra: just before you go, I'm publishing it now and will ping maswan for mirroring === jsgotangco doesnt have a ppc sorry [10:09] Kamion, thanks :) [10:10] ogra: please wait for the Swedish mirror to update and link to it first in the announcement [10:10] ogra: we've been having some bandwidth problems in the DC, and maswan is more than happy to make our lives easier in that respect [10:10] Kamion, i'll announce in the evening, should be safe [10:10] ok === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-48-109.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] ogra, just tested oem mode of flight2, i made a hardware test, I got stuck at Network test and it says "Is your mouse working properly" [10:18] your networked mouse? [10:18] in my laptop [10:18] jsgotangco, might be, hwdb is on my list for fixes, but i didnt care for it yet [10:18] ahh k [10:18] it didnt work in breezy either [10:18] just to let you know [10:19] yup [10:19] i wasnt assuming it had changed :) [10:19] thanks for the proof :) [10:20] Riddell, is kubuntu-docs still using dpkg-divert for ff about page? [10:20] janimo : It uses update-alternatives [10:20] yay [10:20] that's better i think [10:21] thanks [10:21] janimo: yes [10:21] wow [10:21] is oem borked? [10:22] Riddell, what infinity said? [10:23] janimo : http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/kubuntu-docs/kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.9/changelog [10:23] janimo : When \sh says "set symlink", he means "update the alternative". I know, cause I had to fix the code. :) [10:23] inifinity, ok thanks [10:24] I was following the changelogs but nowhere did I see get rid of divert for good [10:24] getting the source now [10:25] janimo : The diversion should be removed when the old package is removed. [10:25] janimo : Assuming the old package properly removed the diversion in it's removal scripts. [10:25] I am trying to add another about page for xubuntu [10:25] and am afraid 3 packages diverting eachother may lead to a mess [10:25] Yes, hence why alternatives are better. [10:26] so am trying to wrap my head aroubd divert and altenatives [10:26] You can't divert the same file twice. dpkg won't let you. [10:26] janimo: but you keep getting diverted? :) [10:26] But once kubuntu-docs is upgraded, the old diversion goes away. [10:26] so will just do what kubuntu does and all is good? [10:26] ogra: Edubuntu Flight CD 2 publishing to mirrors; announcing in the evening's good [10:26] Treenaks, haven't tried yet I thiught I'd ask here first :) [10:26] yay [10:27] Kamion, is oem install borked? [10:27] jsgotangco: almost certainly yes [10:27] I had to add my first user on the console [10:27] I haven't updated it for new tzsetup and user-setup [10:27] i see [10:27] at the moment it's low-priority; I'll fix it eventually [10:27] meant to mention it in the release notes but forgot, sorry [10:28] Kamion: is user-setup in the live seed yet? [10:28] np just been testing oem a lot lately [10:28] Kamion: and how am I supposed to use it? [10:28] Mithrandir: don't think so; there's no .deb yet [10:28] Kamion: ook. [10:28] Mithrandir: my loose plan is to rename user-setup to user-setup-ask and add a user-setup program that does user-setup-ask && user-setup-apply and is only in the .deb [10:28] janimo : Err, oh. I lied. \sh didn't use an alternative, he actually sets the symlink by hand. ARGH. [10:29] janimo : Remind me to smack him for that later, and fix stuff up. I'm off to dinner first. [10:29] janimo : Ask me again later, and I'll tell you the RIGHT way to do it, which will involve co-ordinating an alternative with ubuntu-docs, etc. [10:29] Mithrandir: but I'm not going to look at it today. :-) [10:29] infinity, ok I'll wait till it's sorted out in kubuntu, then I'll do exactly the same for xu ok? thanks [10:29] janimo : Yeah, that should work fine. :) === infinity assumed he was using update-alternatives, cause he couldn't fathom anyone doing tha by hand... [10:30] Kamion: sure, no hurry. [10:30] \sh_away : When I get back from dinner, poke me so I can yell at you for a bit. Thanks. [10:31] Kamion: I need to add a mechanism for on-first-boot-do-reconfigure which will be used by the live cd. [10:31] since the xorg configuration is entirely noninteractive ATM [10:32] infinity: my machine halts at shpchp (according to verbose kernel output) during startup, with -8 and -7 -> seen that? === vuntz [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] maswan: Could you please kick off a mirror run for Edubuntu flight-2? Thanks ... [10:37] Kamion, thanks a lot :) [10:42] Kamion: running [10:42] and, whee, it installs, even if alsa doesn't work and stuff. :) [10:48] infinity: usplash needs to depend on a new version of initramfs-tools === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B19EF.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] maswan: ta [10:55] seb128: ping [10:55] JaneW: pong [10:55] maswan: has flight-2 noticeably affected bandwidth? [10:56] seb128: I am doing the report and just found "seb128 hide-admin-tools-to-users: has been implemented previous week but the summary of the previous meeting has no mention of what I wrote on it, should I mention it again?" [10:56] seb128: so is it implemented? LP doesn't say so [10:56] seb128: let me know what to put in there please... === martink [n=martin@p54B38005.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] Kamion: nope, not yet: http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en [10:57] Kamion: a bit too early to say how today is going to ramp up (or not) though [10:57] JaneW: it was "implemented, waiting on mvo to make some .desktop changes to be 100% done", which he did ... so yeah, I've forgotten to change it [10:57] seb128: are there any left? [10:58] seb128: can I set it for you? [10:58] mvo: have you uploaded synaptic/g-a-i/update-manager [10:58] JaneW: sure, thank you! [10:58] np :) [10:58] done [10:58] cool [10:59] seb128: yes and language-selector [11:00] mvo: k; so it's alright :) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] Blah. [11:28] wnn6-sdk is still broken. [11:28] The 1.0.0-13 source exists in the archive, but the packages are still 1.0.0-12, which are broken. === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-205-157.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] bah - with mdz and Kamion being away, do we have anybody who can promote packages to main? [11:42] elmo: do you promote packages? [11:43] pitti: I can, sure - as long as they're reasonably obvious [11:43] elmo: five language-support packages are uninstallable because some new firefox locales are still in universe [11:43] elmo: I'd say this qualifies as 'obvious' [11:44] ozilla-firefox-locale-ar mozilla-firefox-locale-bg-bg mozilla-firefox-locale-gu-in mozilla-firefox-locale-mk-mk mozilla-firefox-locale-pa-in === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] pitti: yes - done [11:44] elmo: thank you === StevenK wonders what to do about wnn6-sdk. === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:47] -ENOKEYBUK? [11:47] morning btw [11:48] He quit seven hours ago. [11:51] hm, he should be awake again any minute then ;-) [11:51] thanks StevenK :-) [11:57] the new live cd ROCKS, it looks fancy - although ubuntu-livecd does some kde stuff and it doesn't find /etc/X11/xorg.conf (just a warning) and the kernel oops'es, it runs just fine :-)) [11:57] dholbach: \o/ :-) [11:57] and it's fast [11:57] wow === dholbach hugs everybody involved === dholbach starts off with http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Short [11:58] aha. if it doesn't find /etc/X11/xorg.conf that explains alot :-P [11:59] it's just a warning [11:59] Nafallo: nah, it's just the xserver-xorg reconfigure which complains [11:59] come on... who needs config files these days? :) [11:59] I had 1024x768 instead of 1280x800 :-P [11:59] Nafallo: fix ddcprobe to work on amd64 and it'll work correctly, kthxbye [12:00] :-) [12:00] hehe [12:00] Nafallo: or wait until I've fixed the rest of the cd to do all the crack it's supposed to do, like keymaps/languages === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] Mithrandir: that's my plan indeed :-) [12:01] dholbach: the oops is known, I've asked BenC to investigate, but it's not in a place where it's easy to debug, AIUI. [12:02] ok [12:02] hmmmmm, networking doesnt work [12:03] known [12:03] i see [12:03] have you read the announcement? :-) === dholbach whistles innocently [12:04] hehe [12:05] apart from all that, Testing/Short passed :) [12:06] With what, 4 tests sucessful? :-P [12:06] I should probably speak with Keybuk about how we are to do live networking. [12:07] Try DHCP, try DHCP harder, give up and assign a static address of 192.168.0.1 ? [12:07] zeroconf! :) [12:07] 169.254 if so, but yeah. === StevenK remembers 169.254.x.x from Windows 9x. *shiver* [12:09] StevenK: networkmanager assigns 169.254. ;-) [12:09] so it's just as relevant on todays gnome :-P === StevenK bashes Nafallo with a spoon, since it's all he has to hand. [12:10] hehe [12:10] StevenK: it's called link-local and is specified in the relevant RFCs [12:11] dholbach: from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Short what should you do when you find lots of errors? === StevenK nods. [12:11] Mithrandir: I know, I know. === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK ponders a push-model authenication method for his machines. === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-93-164.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] maswan: you could have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Introduction and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current :-) [12:12] maswan: or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing in === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] maswan: i need to make the testing thing more public [12:13] maswan: but thanks for caring enough for it :) === Simira [n=rpGirl@118.84-48-121.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15]