[12:50] <mdke> mgalvin, images are up
[12:56] <mgalvin> mdke: sorry, where exactly are they
[12:57] <mdke> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/images/C/
[12:57] <mgalvin> thnx
[01:14] <Burgwork> salut rob1 
[01:14] <mdke> hi rob1 
[01:16] <mgalvin> ok the images are now getting pulled from d.u.c
[01:16] <mgalvin> thnx mdke
[01:16] <mdke> cool
[01:17] <mdke> they are taking ages to load ;)
[01:18] <mdke> that stupid server responds slowly
[01:18] <mgalvin> yea i see
[01:18] <mgalvin> maybe i should just use my server for now, it looks bad to have it take this long
[01:19] <mdke> the page has been open 3 mins or so, still no images
[01:19] <mgalvin> been 30 seconds now :-/, i am going to roll it back to use my server for the time being
[01:21] <mgalvin> k reverted for now
[01:21] <mgalvin> oh well
[01:21] <mdke> sorry bout that
[01:21] <mgalvin> no prob, not your fault
[01:21] <mgalvin> as long as I don't go over i think 20GB transfer/m i don't mind
[01:21] <mdke> that damn doc server is just not responding at all right now
[01:22] <mgalvin> does it look ok for you know that i reverted it?
[01:22] <mdke> yeah
[01:23] <mgalvin> k, cool
[01:23] <mdke> are the thumbnails on the wiki?
[01:23] <mgalvin> yea, and they link to the full images
[01:23] <mdke> eh?
[01:23] <mdke> looks to me like the thumbnails are on your server too
[01:23] <mdke> might be an idea to have them hosted on the wiki, to save space, if poss
[01:24] <mgalvin> oh, sorry, yes all the images are on my sever
[01:24] <mdke> it might save you bandwidth to have the thumbs on the wiki
[01:24] <mgalvin> no worries for now, got plenty to spare for the time being
[01:24] <mdke> not everyone will click :)
[01:25] <mgalvin> true, but was that whole problem with not being able to use the attachments in a link
[01:25] <mdke> -> bed
[01:25] <mgalvin> night
[01:26] <mdke> mgalvin, you should be able to do [http://yoursite/bigimage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/whatevertheaddressis.png] 
[01:26] <mdke> night
[03:55] <jsgotangco> jdub, yo!
[03:57] <jdub> yo!
[04:34] <LaserJock> is there a reason to have "<!ENTITY ubuntu '<phrase>Ubuntu</phrase>'>
[04:34] <LaserJock> other than not having to capitalize?
[05:06] <jdub> LaserJock: branding
[05:08] <LaserJock> jdub: how so?
[05:08] <jdub> if someone creates a derivative called "Shockmaster 3000", they can replace all the ubuntu bits with Shockmaster 3000
[05:10] <LaserJock> ahh, ok
[05:10] <LaserJock> so it's easier for them to use our stuff ;-)
[05:11] <jdub> indeed
[05:13] <LaserJock> ok, well as long as I know it is there for a reason
[06:07] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[06:17] <theCore> LaserJock, hello
[10:30] <jsgotangco> wow guys the docs in flight 2 are awesome
[04:00] <jsgotangco> hey all
[04:00] <jjesse> hiya jsgotangco
[04:01] <jsgotangco> hey jjesse 
[04:01] <jsgotangco> what's up?
[04:01] <jjesse> not much, just installed flight2 of kubuntu
[04:03] <jsgotangco> how did it go?
[04:03] <jjesse> smooth
[04:04] <jsgotangco> mine was pretty bad
[04:04] <jsgotangco> for this laptop
[04:04] <jsgotangco> got no sound
[04:04] <jjesse> really? this is an old dell desktop that i use for testing, worked fine
[04:04] <jsgotangco> i did an oem and its currently broken
[04:05] <jsgotangco> would it be a good time to update the quickguide?
[04:05] <jjesse> yeah i think it would be
[04:05] <jjesse> quickguide and release notes
[04:05] <jsgotangco> ok
[04:06] <jsgotangco> i should get flight 2 of kubuntu later then
[04:06] <jjesse> i haven't had much time to work on docs also do to some things been working on windows partition all week
[04:06] <jsgotangco> hmm it would be nice if we could do something like what matt galvin did on the wiki
[04:07] <jjesse> started on KubuntuDapperFlight2 but then didn't get a chance to finish
[04:07] <jjesse> i didn't know that dapper flight2 was so readay to be releasedd
[04:08] <jjesse> maybe i'm not subscribing to the right mailing lists or something
[04:08] <jjesse> but i found out whne mgalvin started working on it
[04:08] <jjesse> or posted about it
[04:08] <jsgotangco> its ok no rush i guess we 2 are the kubuntu doc people still
[04:08] <jjesse> i got another user who wants to work on the desktop guide for kubuntu docs,  i gotta email him again
[04:39] <jjesse> so what mailing list would i need to subscribe to know when the next flight is comming out so i can work up a KubuntuFlight3 or whatever wiki page beofre the announcment??
[04:41] <mgalvin> ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com
[04:41] <mgalvin> but it was also sent to -users
[04:41] <mgalvin> its called Flight CD 2
[04:41] <mgalvin> from colin
[04:41] <jjesse> ubuntu-users?
[04:41] <mgalvin> yea
[04:42] <mgalvin> the email header said it was cc'd to -users
[04:42] <jjesse> how did you know about it before it was released so you could have it done before the announcement?
[04:55] <mgalvin> jjesse: i hang around on #ubuntu-devel -kernel -boot and had been working on a problem with colin and fabio 
[04:56] <jjesse> hmm i didn't see much on #kubuntu-devel on flight2 being ready, i guess i must have missed it someplace
[09:19] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[09:19] <theCore> LaserJock, hello
[09:21] <theCore> LaserJock, are you working on the PG ?
[09:21] <LaserJock> little bit
[09:21] <theCore> cool
[09:21] <LaserJock> I think I got the intro done for now and am starting on Getting Started
[09:38] <LaserJock> theCore: have you done anything more on the PG?
[10:18] <LaserJock> theCore: wb
[10:20] <theCore> LaserJock, yes ?
[10:20] <LaserJock> have you done any more work on the PG?
[10:22] <theCore> LaserJock, i'm working on some examples
[10:22] <theCore> nothing fancy, however...
[10:22] <LaserJock> using what?
[10:23] <theCore> debhelper
[10:23] <LaserJock> k
[10:24] <theCore> it's just a matter to getting the proper commands, and put some explainations around them 
[10:31] <theCore> how should we make the reader get the hello pkg ?
[10:31] <theCore> `apt-get source hello' or from a tarball from the web ?
[10:32] <LaserJock> apt-get source I think
[10:33] <LaserJock> it is the easiest
[10:35] <theCore> however, it doesn't represent the reality of a maintainer ...
[10:35] <LaserJock> well, for the most part it actually does
[10:35] <LaserJock> there really aren
[10:35] <LaserJock> that many new packages
[10:35] <LaserJock> it is usually merges and bugfixes that are done
[10:36] <theCore> then, we should put the two examples: one with apt-get, and another with wget
[10:37] <LaserJock> I think it can be all in one example
[10:37] <theCore> hmm, how we would do that ?
[10:37] <LaserJock> I mean you basically go through what all the elements of the /debian directory are
[10:38] <LaserJock> I mean when you do apt-get source you get the tarball so there really isn't a difference
[10:40] <theCore> that right, and with the package from scratch example, spliting the example shouldn't be necessary
[10:42] <theCore> we use `hello-debhelper', right ?
[10:42] <LaserJock> I think it is easier to explain the /debian directory than have the reader make it. maybe we can have a little box with some of the "from scratch" stuff
[10:43] <LaserJock> theCore: I think so, I haven't taken a look at it yet
[10:43] <LaserJock> I just used hello
[10:43] <LaserJock> but I think hello-debhelper should be good too
[10:44] <LaserJock> I think we might have to create a hello-cdbs ourselves
[10:44] <theCore> there is `hello-dbs' is it for cdbs ?
[10:45] <LaserJock> no it is for dbs, which is different
[10:45] <LaserJock> it is crazy how many different systems there are for packaging