[12:25] <raphink> anyone could review knmap please ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1167
[12:44] <raphink> hmm
[12:44] <raphink> I'm reviewing tex4ht
[12:44] <raphink> it uses 20051130-1ubuntu1 as the version
[12:45] <raphink> the maintainer is the official debian maintainer, and this package was built over 20050402.1817-1
[12:45] <raphink> but  20051130-1 doesn't exist in debian sid
[12:45] <raphink> so shouldn't it be 200051130-0ubuntu1 ?
[12:45] <raphink> ajmitch: any idea?
[12:46] <raphink> slomo: ?
[12:46] <minghua> raphink: I _think_ it was in NEW but now seems to be rejected
[12:47] <minghua> let me check
[12:47] <raphink> ah ok
[12:48] <raphink> where do you see that minghua ?
[12:49] <minghua> raphink: I remembered correctly: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2005/12/msg00115.html
[12:49] <raphink> oh it's on the lists
[12:49] <raphink> there's no web interface?
[12:50] <minghua> raphink: no idea where it is now though, not in the NEW queue for sure
[12:50] <raphink> ok thanks
[12:50] <minghua> raphink: oh you don't know the web interace for NEW queue?  http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[12:50] <raphink> thanks
[12:50] <minghua> raphink: I've seen tex4ht there a few days ago
[12:51] <raphink> ok
[12:51] <raphink> good
[12:51] <minghua> raphink: and if you follow that thread, you'll the package has a few problems, and the maintainer is improving it
[12:52] <raphink> ok
[01:15] <_sergio> hello
[01:15] <_sergio> anyone know about faad, or gstreamer0.8-faad plugin support in ubuntu?
[01:16] <crimsun> what about it?
[01:16] <crimsun> 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages
[01:43] <LaserJock> \sh: feeling any better?
[01:43] <\sh> na i just woke up again...
[01:44] <ajmitch> can't sleep now?
[01:44] <\sh> ajmitch: I slept the whole day every once and a while...
[01:44] <ajmitch> hm
[01:46] <\sh> I tried to watch some movies today....just felt asleep in the middle of them...and woke up right after the end...well...I should go to a doctor
[01:46] <ajmitch> yeah, I think it's a good idea
[01:47] <ajmitch> you've been well for too long, and now you're sicker than you should be
[01:47] <\sh> oh..and btw..whenever you have the chance to watch harry potter and the goblet of fire...please watch it..one of the best
[01:51] <LaserJock> \sh: I haven't seen any of them. I should do that some time.
[01:52] <\sh> oh...the european parlament just agreed, that all phone, fax, sms, email etc. traffic must be stored for more the a reasonable time...means...we have to send now only emails gpg encrypted..so they have garbage
[01:52] <\sh> LaserJock: read the books first..much better, more fun :)
[01:52] <LaserJock> \sh: really, cool.
[01:53] <LaserJock> \sh: how long do they want to store them?
[01:53] <ajmitch> years?
[01:53] <\sh> more then min. 18 months
[01:54] <ajmitch> crazy
[01:54] <LaserJock> seems like there wouldn't be enough space for all that, phones especially
[01:54] <ajmitch> since obviously all citizens are potential terrorists..
[01:55] <\sh> LaserJock: oh the goverment only needs to grab the data...the companies have to save them in a secure place..that again is a really big problem
[01:55] <\sh> good morning ogra
[01:55] <ajmitch> so all companies need to save phone calls, emails, etc for all employees?
[01:55] <\sh> ajmitch: for all customers
[01:56] <ajmitch> hm
[01:56] <\sh> ajmitch: for most of the companies which are using exchange, saving mails is default
[01:56] <ajmitch> s/saving/anything with/
[01:56] <\sh> ajmitch: my former companie is doing that a long time...and lawful interception is now going to be crazy
[01:57] <raphink> thanks for reviewing grub-splashimages Riddell :)
[02:07] <freeflying> raphink: hi
[02:08] <raphink> hi freeflying
[02:20] <Kyral> someone tell me when is the worse time for a crash when using ext3?
[02:21] <Kyral> because I think it just happened to one of my friends
[02:21] <ajmitch> Kyral: when the hard drive goes down in flames?
[02:21] <Kyral> I meant for the Journel...
[02:22] <ajmitch> same answer :)
[02:22] <ajmitch> it's generally fairly robust
[02:22] <Kyral> Basically he pulled the power in the middle of an Apt install and when it came up (after 4 tries) it wouldn't let him sudo saying something in Var is RO
[02:23] <Kyral> and he can't use his file manager
[02:23] <ajmitch> right
[02:23] <ajmitch> that was a fairly stupid thing to do then
[02:23] <Kyral> I think he pulled the power in the worst moment lol
[02:24] <Kyral> I told him to go to recovery mode and set the mount count on the drive to 100
[02:24] <Kyral> to force a check :D
[02:26] <ajmitch> or he could use fsck, which does the same thing..
[02:26] <Kyral> he only has one partition (aside from swap) and no LiveCDs
[02:26] <ajmitch> clever
[02:27] <Kyral> He's not one of us who carries a LiveCD wherever they go
[02:27] <Kyral> ;P
[02:27] <ajmitch> the ones in my bag are dead :)
[02:27] <Kyral> lol
[02:27] <ajmitch> a patch on the reflective layer is damaged
[02:56] <raphink> gn guys :)
[03:50] <lifeless> help!
[03:50] <lifeless> I need a motu with ~ 10 minutes of spare cycle
[03:50] <lifeless> s
[03:50] <lifeless> we've got a problem we're tracking down with the launchpad code base on amd64, and we'd like a patch to libgpgme11 1.0.2-1build1 to build a -dbg package
[03:51] <lifeless> I'm insanely busy today, so I'm hoping one of you kind folk has the time to do this [minor]  tweak
[04:04] <lifeless> Nafallo: thanks!
[04:04] <lifeless> Nafallo: its really easy:
[04:04] <lifeless> 1) check debian/compat == 5
[04:04] <lifeless> 2) add a control rule for libgpgme11-dbg with appropriate description etc
[04:05] <lifeless> set the dependencies to libgpgme11 (= ${Source-Version}) (check that for typos ;))
[04:05] <lifeless> 3) when dh_strip is called, add --dbg-package=libgpgme11-dbg
[04:05] <lifeless> test ;)
[04:05] <Nafallo> yea, I've given it to pbuilder. why compat 5?
[04:05] <lifeless> compat 4 has different behaviour
[04:06] <lifeless> man dh_strip for the details
[04:07] <Nafallo> hmm, it was using 3 ;-)
[04:07] <lifeless> :)
[04:08] <lifeless> oh, and build-dep on binutils, my bad ;)
[04:24] <Nafallo> it was for amd64, right? :-)
[04:25] <lifeless> dont need binaries
[04:25] <lifeless> in the DC everything is rebuilt anyway
[04:25] <Nafallo> oh nm, it was :-)
[04:25] <lifeless> just an interdiff against the prior .diff.gz will be great, because I can feed that to Znarl
[04:26] <Nafallo> dooh
[04:26] <Nafallo> http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/repo/foo/
[04:27] <Nafallo> http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/gpgme1.0_1.0.2-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[04:27] <lifeless> Access forbidden!
[04:28] <Nafallo> oh?
[04:28] <lifeless> try it ;)
[04:28] <Nafallo> dooh
[04:29] <Nafallo> done now
[04:30] <lifeless> nice. A small bit of feedback ..
[04:30] <lifeless> + This package contains the debug version of the library found in libgpgme11.
[04:30] <lifeless> +
[04:30] <lifeless> more accurate would be:
[04:30] <lifeless> This package contains debug symbols for the library found in libgpgme11.
[04:30] <lifeless> (its not a full library in there)
[04:30] <lifeless> thanks heaps.
[04:30] <Nafallo> true :-). I stole the desc from libdmx-dbg ;-)
[04:31] <Nafallo> so I totally blame daniels ;-)
[04:31] <lifeless> well hes on crack, so whaddya expect ;)
[04:31] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:36] <jsgotangco> ok waiting for flight 2 download to finish
[04:36] <jsgotangco> 2 hours argh!
[04:37] <Nafallo> I did that before the announcement today and then just kept seeding ;-)
[07:24] <Yagisan> G'day all
[07:26] <Yagisan> I've found a w32codecs package in an unofficial debian repo that is an installer like msttcorefonts, can we include it in ubuntu ?
[07:27] <jsgotangco> i believe those are reverse engineered codecs from the original ms codecs
[07:28] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: It's just an installer, it wgets the codecs from the web
[07:28] <jsgotangco> ah it grabs the codecs from MS? neat
[07:29] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: actually, from an mplayer mirror
[07:34] <Yagisan> no objections ?
[07:37] <jsgotangco> i still find it dodgy though
[07:39] <minghua> not sure.  the ms core fonts have a license that allows redistribution, what about the codecs?
[07:41] <Yagisan> minghua: I'll see if I can check the codecs, but they are mirrored over the web, and end up on magazine cd's every month or so
[07:43] <Yagisan> I thought it might be useful, since ubuntu isn't actually distributing the codecs, it just distributes an installer, like with flash, and other non-free apps
[07:43] <minghua> Yagisan: that would be good.  if it has a redistributable license I don't see any reason to object such an installer package
[08:03] <LaserJock_> hi dholbach
[08:03] <dholbach> good morning motus
[08:05] <LaserJock_> dholbach: how's it going?
[08:07] <dholbach> nicely... just need to wake up :)
[08:07] <dholbach> some coffee will do and get me through the status update meeting
[08:07] <LaserJock_> hmm, I need to get to bed
[08:08] <LaserJock_> just working on the Packaging Guide a bit before I do
[08:13] <siretart> morning
[08:26] <bojan> morning!
[08:35] <Yagisan> G'day siretart
[08:36] <Yagisan> I'll be starting work on the backport package a bit latter tonight, mind if I ask you some questions about it later ?
[08:37] <zakame> hello from manila! :D
[08:39] <dholbach> hello zakame
[08:39] <dholbach> how are you? how's life over there?
[08:39] <zakame> hi dholbach ! :D
[08:39] <Yagisan> slomo: can we add x264 support to mplayer ? It would need the x264 package from here http://apt.cerkinfo.be/pool/main/x264/ and to add libx264-dev as a build-dep
[08:40] <zakame> just arrived in Manila from Daet, after a rather uneventful 7-hour busride :)
[08:41] <slomo> Yagisan: that's only an encoder, right? but sure, i have it already an my todo list... if it's important enough for you just package x264 :) i'll get to this or next weekend otherwise
[08:42] <slomo> Yagisan: oh, no need to... marillat already has a package for it... let's see if we can take it...
[08:43] <Yagisan> slomo: I found the cerkinfo package :) and yes it is an encoder
[08:43] <slomo> so only relevant for mencoder... ok
[08:43] <slomo> oh no... another static-only lib :(
[08:44] <Yagisan> slomo: It lets me encode mpeg4 part 10 streams , instead of mpeg4 part 2
[08:44] <zakame> yay! gtklp fanmail! :D
[08:44] <Yagisan> slomo: the cerkinfo one doesn't look static
[08:44] <slomo> Yagisan: yes, h264... btw, does decoding it work for you with current mplayer?
[08:45] <Yagisan> slomo: decode "should" work with your new mplayer, but not encode
[08:45] <slomo> Yagisan: but it _should_ be... upstream doesn't build shared libs by default and they seem to have fun with breaking API/ABI
[08:45] <slomo> Yagisan: yes, it should ;) but i have nothing to test it :(
[08:45] <Yagisan> slomo: the cerkinfo guy split out ffmpeg for his mplayer
[08:45] <Yagisan> slomo: I do :)
[08:46] <slomo> Yagisan: what is cerkinfo btw?
[08:46] <siretart> slomo: I've seen that marillat has a new dvd copying software called k9copy now
[08:47] <Yagisan> slomo: http://apt.cerkinfo.be/
[08:47] <siretart> slomo: it builds in dapper, but thats all what I tried. I intend to upload it the next days. Just wanted to ask if you have heared about it
[08:47] <slomo> siretart: ok, let's get it if they're not insane (i.e. ship css ;) )
[08:47] <slomo> siretart: no, never heard of it... can you get x264 in while you're at it? ;)
[08:47] <siretart> slomo: if I understood it correctly it is a kde frontend to dvdauthor (which we already have)
[08:48] <siretart> I haven't even heard about x264
[08:48] <sivang> morning all
[08:48] <zakame> hi sivang ! :)
[08:49] <Yagisan> slomo: breezys mplayer can decode x264 streams easily
[08:49] <slomo> siretart: it's just a h264 encoding library... which definitly needs to go to multiverse
[08:49] <slomo> Yagisan: yes but i ask for the dapper one ;P
[08:49] <Yagisan> siretart: mpeg4 part 10 - think high-qulaity xvid
[08:49] <zakame> dholbach: w00t! :D
[08:50] <siretart> Yagisan: I assume it is highly patent encumbered
[08:50] <Yagisan> slomo: dapper has a more compatible h264 decoding libary, I doubt there is a regression
[08:50] <Yagisan> siretart: so is jpeg
[08:50] <slomo> siretart: sure... what do you expect? it's mpeg :P
[08:50] <Yagisan> siretart: it is also an iso standard
[08:52] <siretart> Yagisan: iso allows patented algorithm to be standardised :( (is this spelled correctly?)
[08:53] <zakame> siretart: yup :D
[08:53] <zakame> though standardized is also ok
[08:53] <Yagisan> siretart: yep, ignore the overuse of the letter zed
[08:53] <siretart> Yagisan: you want to join MOTUMedia, btw?
[08:54] <zakame> hehe
[08:54] <Yagisan> siretart: I lack programming skills for that, but I can help test if you like ?
[08:55] <slomo> siretart: they allow everything, as long as it can be licensed under non-discriminatory terms
[08:55] <Yagisan> siretart: I took an interest in this when my daughter started using my dvds for teething
[08:55] <siretart> Yagisan: you could try to package x264 and upload it to revu, using our MOTUMedia list as maintainer :)
[08:55] <Yagisan> siretart: sure
[08:55] <siretart> I'm at work, and will be able to work on packages not before this late afternoon
[08:56] <slomo> siretart: x264 is already packaged by marillat... another static-only library to make us happy
[08:56] <siretart> ah, sounds easy then
[08:56] <Yagisan> slomo: I have a non-static libary
[08:56] <Yagisan> slomo: It also produces the x264 stand alone encoder
[08:57] <slomo> Yagisan: which is most probably hacked in... at least their svn versions don't build a shared library
[08:57] <Yagisan> slomo: I'll take another look at the package then
[08:58] <slomo> Yagisan: thanks :)
[08:59] <jsgotangco> hey dholbach
[08:59] <Yagisan> slomo: I can't find anything hackish to make a static lib here, anyway I've tossed it into pbuilder, lets see what pops out
[08:59] <dholbach> re :)
[09:00] <zakame> wb dholbach
[09:00] <slomo> Yagisan: --enable-shared to configure?
[09:02] <Yagisan> slomo: no, want me to send you the package ? ~300K
[09:03] <Yagisan> slomo: dappers mplayer plays back x264 files fine with the h264 decoder :)
[09:03] <slomo> Yagisan: no, not needed... anyway, we only have a libx264-dev package... so there's no normal package for the shared library... seems to be a mistake by the packager that it's included
[09:04] <Yagisan> slomo: x264 does have a standalone encoder
[09:04] <Yagisan> slomo: mainly used by m$ windows users x264.exe
[09:05] <slomo> Yagisan: i know :)
[09:05] <Yagisan> argh, I forgot to backport yasm to build it
[09:07] <Yagisan> slomo: I'll fix the deps and send you a link when x264 is in revu
[09:07] <slomo> Yagisan: thanks
[09:09] <Yagisan> slomo: Who should I add for the uploader field ? I'm not a motu, so I can't upload
[09:10] <slomo> Yagisan: for x264? well, if the marillat package is fine just upload it without changing :)
[09:11] <slomo> Yagisan: leave uploader/maintainer as it is
[09:11] <Yagisan> slomo: It's not a marrilat package - but I'll leave maintainer intact
[09:11] <slomo> Yagisan: the one by noel?
[09:13] <Yagisan> slomo: yep
[09:13] <slomo> Yagisan: it's almost the same except marillat's packaging looked a bit cleaner at the first look ;)
[09:14] <Yagisan> slomo: I didn't see it in marillat's repo, I'll look again
[09:15] <slomo> it's in x/x264
[09:17] <Yagisan> slomo: It seems marrilat has a slightly newer version. /me downloads
[09:17] <slomo> Yagisan: ok :)
[09:19] <Yagisan> slomo: I heard you you upload rights to main a while ago ?
[09:19] <Yagisan> s/you you/you got
[09:20] <slomo> yes
[09:22] <Yagisan> slomo: congratulations
[09:22] <slomo> thanks :)
[09:23] <Yagisan> slomo: Finally agreed on a name for my son yesterday, only took almost 4 weeks
[09:25] <ajmitch> hi
[09:26] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch, how are things in kiwi land ?
[09:26] <zakame> hi ajmitch :D
[09:26] <ajmitch> great, how's things going over your side?
[09:26] <ajmitch> how's the family?
[09:27] <siretart> morning ajmitch :)
[09:27] <slomo> hi ajmitch :)
[09:27] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[09:27] <ajmitch> siretart: revu-build question - when I run it, I don't have permission to write out the filelists, postinsts, etc
[09:28] <ajmitch> can we make the directories owned by a group so we can all write there?
[09:28] <siretart> ajmitch: it should call pbuilder with root
[09:28] <ajmitch> pbuilder is called with root
[09:28] <siretart> i.e. with sudo
[09:29] <ajmitch> but the other files generated are done as the user
[09:29] <ajmitch> since revu-build calls dpkg-deb
[09:29] <siretart> ah, but it cannot write the output files, damn
[09:29] <ajmitch> if /var/revu/revu1-incoming is group-writeable & sticky, it should be fine
[09:29] <siretart> ajmitch: add yourself to the group 'revu'
[09:29] <ajmitch> actually all the dirs are owned by revu..
[09:30] <ajmitch> hm
[09:30] <siretart> ajmitch: the incoming directories should be group writeable
[09:30] <Yagisan> ajmitch: family is ok, named my son at last, and I now need to arm myself to go to the shops because of the rioting fucktards
[09:30] <ajmitch> Yagisan: that crazy there?
[09:30] <siretart> ajmitch: if they aren't, then sudo chown/chmod it, they should be, if not, there is somewhere a bug then
[09:30] <ajmitch> siretart: yeah they are
[09:31] <ajmitch> siretart: with revu2, do you think email notification of comments will be useful?
[09:31] <Yagisan> ajmitch: we'll the lebs have pssed off every single other ethnic group, and were attacking children, and burning churches near my house
[09:31] <Yagisan> ajmitch: so yes, that crazy
[09:31] <ajmitch> Yagisan: that's insane
[09:31] <siretart> ajmitch: very useful!
[09:31] <Yagisan> ajmitch: they opened fire on a christian primary school!!!
[09:31] <ajmitch> siretart: I notice that we can have a month or two go by without a comment, and then someone adds one
[09:32] <zakame> Yagisan: whoa
[09:32] <ajmitch> Yagisan: the lebanese people?
[09:32] <ajmitch> or others?
[09:32] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yes, the lebanese people
[09:32] <siretart> ajmitch: /me too, we need to fix that with revu2
[09:33] <ajmitch> I thought lebanon was still majority Christian anyway
[09:33] <Yagisan> ajmitch: they did. The school is a 20 minute walk from my house
[09:33] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it is actually the muslim lebanese that are causing the trouble
[09:34] <ajmitch> a shame
[09:34] <Yagisan> ajmitch: the burnt down a church belonging to pacific islanders near auburn hospital
[09:34] <ajmitch> I can understand why people are getting very mad over it
[09:35] <Yagisan> ajmitch: It's a religious problem
[09:35] <zakame> ajmitch: if you have time, could you check my libmemcache http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=929 ? :)
[09:35] <ajmitch> religious & ethnic
[09:35] <ajmitch> and just general stupidity
[09:36] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yep - and all I see on OS media is "white supremacists" attacked blah blah blah
[09:36] <ajmitch> zakame: 420KB diff?
[09:36] <ajmitch> of course
[09:36] <ajmitch> in wellington there were posters put up calling for 'white power' to rise up.. etc
[09:36] <ajmitch> more crap but it never goes anywhere here
[09:37] <zakame> ajmitch: yep, autotools update
[09:37] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yep, but I saw the crowds, it was whites, blacks, asians, and pacific islanders taking revenge on anyone that looked like a leb
[09:37] <zakame> though I suspect I could drop that
[09:38] <ajmitch> zakame: it's an awful lot for me to scroll through
[09:38] <zakame> waah
[09:38] <jsgotangco> but its nothing for the dark motu lord ajmitch
[09:40] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: I hope you come to dunedin just so I can dunk you in the harbour :)
[09:41] <zakame> haha
[09:47] <Yagisan> slomo: x264 has been sent to revu. Should appear in 10 minutes
[09:47] <slomo> Yagisan: thanks... any changes from marillat?
[09:49] <Yagisan> slomo: just s/unstable/dapper and adding multiverse to control. probally should have made the -dev an all instead of any
[09:50] <slomo> Yagisan: no... any is needed
[09:51] <Yagisan> slomo: oh ? I'd have though headers should be arch all. Nice to know I didn't stuff up then.
[09:52] <slomo> Yagisan: it's not only headers but the static library and in this case also the shared one which shouldn't be in the -dev package ;)
[09:53] <Yagisan> slomo: you are quite right. That is a stuff up
[09:55] <zakame> thanks ajmitch :D
[09:55] <zakame> bbl
[09:55] <lucas> hi all
[09:59] <jsgotangco> haha
[09:59] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, have you seen AsiaBusinessTour?
[10:00] <slomo> bbl
[10:03] <Yagisan> siretart: not wanting to sound dumb, but was my upload rejected from revu ?
[10:03] <lucas> Yagisan: if it's not in the list, it was rejected
[10:04] <lucas> the most common error (everybody does it once) is that REVU uploads have to be source-only
[10:04] <Yagisan> lucas: I see, I did source + binary. /me adjusts the pbuilder config
[10:06] <lucas> or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -I.bzr
[10:07] <siretart> Yagisan: jepp, it was rejected. revu only reacts to *_source.changes files for now
[10:07] <siretart> Yagisan: shall I remove your upload?
[10:07] <Yagisan> siretart, lucas: thanks. It's been a while since I used revu. siretart please remove, an new source only upload is on its way
[10:08] <siretart> Yagisan: done, you may reupload now
[10:08] <Yagisan> siretart: thanks
[10:09] <Yagisan> x264 correctly uploaded now
[10:12] <Yagisan> slomo_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1178
[10:13] <Yagisan> bbl
[10:16] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: interesting :)
[10:17] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: I see of course there's an NZ entry, for LCA
[10:18] <jsgotangco> well yeah i guess its logical to stay for a day or 2 for business
[10:19] <ajmitch> sure
[10:20] <ajmitch> dunno who they're going to meet & talk to :)
[10:22] <jsgotangco> it'll probably be different generally in asia
[10:23] <ajmitch> certainly
[10:23] <ajmitch> dunedin is a slightly smaller place, there might be interested businesses here & a local LUG
[10:37] <ajmitch> I should either file a bug on this or just fixup the merge
[12:47] <raphink> how do we deal with NMU in Ubuntu?
[12:49] <ogra> raphink, how would you do an NMU with non personalized packages ?
[12:50] <ogra> there are no NMUs
[12:50] <raphink> ok
[12:50] <raphink> so we just ignore NMU warnings in lintian
[12:50] <ogra> its nice to talk to the guy who touched the package last though
[12:50] <ogra> yes
[12:50] <raphink> ok
[12:50] <raphink> :)
[12:54] <StevenK> Well, there are sorta no MU's in universe, either. :-)
[12:55] <raphink> :)
[01:22] <raphink> ogra: do you have some time to review packages?
[01:54] <raphink> siretart: are you there?
[02:57] <siretart> raphink: yepp
[02:57] <raphink> hi siretart
[02:58] <raphink> I requested membership for the reviewers team on LP
[02:58] <raphink> do you think I could apply?
[03:02] <siretart> raphink: when I'm home, (in a few hours), okay?
[03:02] <raphink> ok :)
[03:03] <siretart> bah, svenl is accusing me being too harsh and aggressive..
[03:03] <siretart> I think I did it :/
[04:00] <zakame> evening all
[04:01] <lucas> hi zakame
[04:02] <zakame> hey lucas :) how's ruby?
[04:03] <lucas> probably good, since RubyOnRails 1.0 is out and ruby must be all over the news
[04:05] <zakame> yeah, i read that on planet debian as well :)
[04:18] <\sh> *cough* moins
[05:14] <imnes> I've downloaded some package sources with apt-get source gnome-panel and made some code changes, what commands do I need to build / install to test it out?
[05:14] <Amaranth> imnes: cd into the gnome-panel-2.12.whatever dir and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc
[05:15] <imnes> After making changes should I bump the verison number on the directory or does it not matter?
[05:15] <Amaranth> you'd edit the debian/changelog file but it doesn't matter if you're doing local patching
[05:16] <Amaranth> if you're patching breezy it'll more or less be a patch for you only, breezy is frozen
[05:17] <imnes> Yeah I'd like to do an official patch for the dev releases if it hasn't already been implemented, basically I'd like to add a gconf key to toggle drawing the arrow on a panel menu button.  Right now (in breezy anyway) it's hardcoded to always draw.
[05:21] <pesco> Greetings, MOTU. Is this also the right channel for packages in the multiverse?
[05:21] <\sh> dholbach: ping
[05:25] <\sh> dholbach: if you could have a look on istanbul...same problem as the last time..different file sizes of orig.tar.gz and seb128 touched it the last time...
[05:28] <thierry> is it possible to package something from scratch with cdbs??
[05:29] <Amaranth> yes
[05:33] <imnes> Amaranth: works great, thanks for the help.
[05:43] <thierry> ok but is there any howto on how to package something from scrach with cdbs... all I get is howto about how to switch a package to cdbs...
[05:44] <JohnnyMast> hellow
[05:44] <thierry> hi
[05:47] <JohnnyMast> everything alright ?
[05:48] <thierry> JohnnyMast : what do you mean?
[05:48] <JohnnyMast> if ur fine
[05:49] <thierry> yes yes
[05:49] <thierry> I just don't know if there is any howto on how to package something from scrach with cdbs... all I get is howto about how to switch a package to cdbs...
[05:51] <JohnnyMast> you should look on debian i think
[05:51] <JohnnyMast> OR
[05:51] <azeem> thierry: you just drop the three or four well known include /usr/share/cdbs/1/foo/bar.mk lines into debian/rules and fix up anything which breaks
[05:51] <JohnnyMast> check the chatlogs from #ubuntu-motu-school with ajmitch giving a lecruee
[05:53] <thierry> azeem : seriously? wow! so I make the debian/rules and the control and changelog file and that's it? I try building it?
[05:53] <azeem> thierry: well, the difference between cdbs and non-cdbs is only in debian/rules
[05:53] <azeem> and a Build-Depends on cdbs, of course
[05:54] <jamessan> yes, but it'd be good if you understood how things work without cdbs.
[05:54] <azeem> so just make the package like you would otherwise, and write a debian/rules for cdbs, which is trivial for easy projects
[05:54] <thierry> jamessan : yeah... but I got a easy project to try and it just looks so longggg without cdbs...
[05:54] <JohnnyMast> thierry welcome to packaging  :)
[05:55] <thierry> :)
[05:55] <jamessan> thierry: it is a bit longer, but then you understand how things truly work behind the curtains
[05:55] <thierry> the long stuff doesn't bother me... it just the long AND hard to understand that bother me
[05:56] <azeem> you should really try to understand them
[05:57] <thierry> I've learn a lot with the last course on motu-school about package without cdbs or debhelper but some stuff just looks impossible to understand...
[05:58] <dholbach> \sh: dunno what debian did on that project *shrug*
[05:59] <JohnnyMast> when is/was the meeting ?
[05:59] <\sh> dholbach: they brought in 0.1.1-1 ,)
[05:59] <\sh> dholbach: and I wonder why the don't use our orig.tar.gz but a different one....or we used a different one...
[05:59] <dholbach> \sh: i used upstream's one
[05:59] <dholbach> oh well
[06:00] <\sh> dholbach: seriously...how can we avoid this..it makes life not much easier for us :)
[06:00] <thierry> JohnyMast : the 10 december
[06:00] <dholbach> \sh: we can't
[06:01] <JohnnyMast> thierry no not that one
[06:01] <JohnnyMast> the motu meeting now the motu-school
[06:01] <JohnnyMast> i wrote a plan op dholbach`s Open day
[06:01] <JohnnyMast> *on
[06:01] <ogra> \sh, life ? easy ?
[06:01] <ogra> hahahaha
[06:02] <\sh> ogra: i'm refering to virtual life...this should be easier then real life :)
[06:02] <\sh> but I CAN BE WRONG (tm)
[06:02] <ogra> :)
[06:02] <\sh> oh damn....not again...fever starts again...this morning it just dropped below 38 deg C...and now...oh wow
[06:03] <JohnnyMast> thierry : http://www.rosiello.net/ubuntu/
[06:06] <\sh> ogra: how is suse doing? getting better?
[06:06] <thierry> JohnnyMast : wow... great Idea...
[06:07] <thierry> JohnnyMast : I think I'll post my questions there next time
[06:07] <JohnnyMast> well it still has to be discussed during the MOTU meeting wich i queryed for earlyr
[06:08] <thierry> k, but I really think it's a great idea
[06:08] <ogra> \sh, got a tooth pulled today ...
[06:09] <ogra> hopefully that helps ....
[06:09] <JohnnyMast> :) you can also msn me or email me if you cant find some one to help or ppl are bussy
[06:09] <\sh> ogra: ugh...thank god I'm avoiding the dentist ,)
[06:12] <JohnnyMast> aah its the next hour
[06:12] <thierry> JohnnyMast : what's your msn?
[06:12] <JohnnyMast> ravecoolr@hotmail.com
[06:12] <pef> hello
[06:12] <JohnnyMast> hello pef
[06:13] <thierry> JohnnyMast : just added you to my list
[06:22] <thierry> JohnnyMast : How can I create a new changelog with dch?
[06:23] <azeem> dch -n
[06:24] <Hieronymus> thierry: http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/2005/12/09/%23ubuntu-motu-school.log
[06:24] <Hieronymus> thierry: bookmark that
[06:26] <thierry> Hieronymus : k but I know what is a changelog, I just don't know how to create one with dch
[06:26] <thierry> azeem : do I have the create a empty changelog file before?
[06:26] <azeem> oh, that
[06:26] <azeem> I thought you meant a new changelog entry
[06:26] <azeem> dunno about that, sorry
[06:28] <thesaltydog> thierry.. dch is quite useless. Just edit the changelog
[06:31] <JohnnyMast> thierry ok added
[06:31] <jamessan> thesaltydog: what's wrong with dch?
[06:31] <thesaltydog> nothing...
[06:31] <thesaltydog> I said it is just easier to edit the ChangeLog
[06:32] <jamessan> dch auto-updates the timestamp for you, and builds any necessary template you may need.  I don't see how that's useless.  *shrug*
[06:33] <thesaltydog> ok, sorry. I just prefer to do it myself.
[06:41] <JohnnyMast> thierry whats you msn name ? i dont see you
[07:01] <dholbach> crimsun, slomo_, siretart, anybodyinterestedinmediastuff: meeting now?
[07:02] <siretart> dholbach: yepp
[07:03] <siretart> dholbach: err
[07:03] <siretart> dholbach: didn't we say 1900 UTC?
[07:03] <dholbach> utc, ok ok:)
[07:04] <siretart> uuuh, MOTU Meeting today, too?
[07:04] <siretart> I must have missed the announcement :)
[07:04] <dholbach> i didnt schedule it :)
[07:06] <LaserJock> ok, so is there a MOTU Meeting today or not?
[07:06] <dholbach> yes
[07:06] <LaserJock> 19:00 UTC?
[07:06] <dholbach> 20
[07:06] <ogra> siretart, you announced a MOTUMeeting
[07:06] <dholbach> ogra: no, he announced a media meeting
[07:06] <LaserJock> hmm, fridge says 19:00 UTC
[07:06] <ogra> in your subject line;)
[07:07] <ogra> dholbach, yes in his text ...
[07:07] <dholbach> "Our next MOTU Meeting is scheduled for Saturday, 05. November, 21:40 UTC."
[07:07] <dholbach> ROCK
[07:07] <dholbach> come again next year
[07:07] <ogra> heh
[07:07] <siretart> ogra: did I had a typo? I only wanted to announce the MOTUMedia meeting
[07:08] <ogra> i think the subject said MOTUMeeting
[07:08] <siretart> oh darn, I wrote MOTUMeeting in the subject line
[07:08] <ogra> and the content MEDIAMeeting :)
[07:08] <ogra> or similar
[07:08] <dholbach> so let's agree on a NEW date and time for the motumeeting
[07:08] <siretart> well, all members of MOTUMedia are MOTUs, so it isn't that much of difference, isn't it? ;)
[07:08] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting is open for new points
[07:08] <ogra> dholbach, NEW ?
[07:08] <ogra> dholbach, so we need elmo approval ?
[07:09] <dholbach> ogra: there was no time fixed officially
[07:09] <ogra> kidding here ... ignore me :)
[07:09] <siretart> ogra: well, sorry for the confusing subject. I should have made a note
[07:09] <ogra> mmmm, passion .... fruit
[07:10] <siretart> dholbach: do we have open points for a MOTU Meeting?
[07:10] <dholbach> not really
[07:10] <dholbach> i just blanked the agenda
[07:10] <siretart> I mean, we can discuss general motu stuff afterwards
[07:10] <siretart> hehe
[07:10] <dholbach> we should have a proper motu meeting
[07:10] <dholbach> announce it 2 weeks before on our mailing list
[07:11] <dholbach> invite people to add stuff on the agenda, ...
[07:11] <ogra> as always
[07:11] <siretart> hehe
[07:11] <ogra> :)
[07:11] <dholbach> yeah, but funkier and bigger this time
[07:11] <dholbach> greater, bigger and better
[07:11] <dholbach> you know... :)
[07:11] <ogra> as always
[07:12] <ogra> as always
[07:12] <ogra> :)
[07:12] <dholbach> GRRRRRRRR
[07:12] <ogra> evil :)
[07:13] <LaserJock> ok, so we are not going to have a formal MOTU meeting today?
[07:13] <ogra> nope
[07:13] <dholbach> ogra: don't ridicule the motu flash factor, i mean it :)
[07:14] <ogra> dholbach, be careful, i have pics of you .... dancing ....
[07:14] <ogra> ;)
[07:14] <dholbach> post them online ;)
[07:14] <LaserJock> hmm, that would be a good fridge.u.c
[07:14] <dholbach> ogra: if you take pictures from weird angles, i will always look stupid/weird :)
[07:15] <ogra> hehe
[07:15] <LaserJock> hmm, if you take pictures of me from any angle I will look stupid/weird ;-)
[07:15] <siretart> does anyone use 2.6.15 with madwifi?
[07:16] <ogra> ;)
[07:16] <LaserJock> lol
[07:16] <ogra> i just smell weird
[07:20] <\sh> ogra: you don't have a abdominal influenza...so you can't smell weired
[07:21] <ogra> \sh, you smoke way to much to judge about that :)
[07:21] <LaserJock> \sh: still sick ay?
[07:21] <\sh> siretart: will test it with flight-2 on sunday
[07:21] <siretart> \sh: aaah good idea
[07:22] <\sh> LaserJock: yeah..well..fever goes up and down...and now it looks like something is really wrong with my stomach...
[07:23] <LaserJock> \sh: man, that is terrible. I usually get sick around Christmas, last year really bad. It always makes the holiday season nice :(
[07:24] <\sh> LaserJock: after this..I think i'm "ticking" normal again....this illness was somehow overdue
[07:24] <LaserJock> I get to see my family 1 time a year and I end up throwing up the whole time
[07:25] <LaserJock> \sh: yeah, I seem to do that to. I will go for a couple years without having to much and BAM!, it hits me
[07:31] <kos_tom> hi
[07:32] <kos_tom> siretart: hi
[07:32] <kos_tom> siretart: i'm currently uploading gcompris 7.2 to revu.
[07:33] <siretart> kos_tom: cool!
[07:57] <sistpoty> hi folks
[08:04] <raphink> hi sistpoty
[08:04] <sistpoty> hi raphink
[08:04] <raphink> :)
[08:04] <raphink> would you have time to review some package of mine?
[08:05] <sistpoty> raphink: not right now, as there is motumediameeting in ubuntu-meeting... maybe later
[08:05] <raphink> yes I just saw that
[08:05] <sistpoty> hehe
[08:12] <ajmitch> morning all, what's up in MOTU land?
[08:13] <ajmitch> since we don't have a MOTU meeting  or anything ;)
[08:13] <sistpoty> hehe
[08:28] <LaserJock> ajmitch: Linus's opinion of Gnome?
[08:29] <kos_tom> lucas: hi.
[08:31] <lucas> hi all & kos_tom
[08:32] <JohnnyMast> sup hackers
[08:33] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yeah, pointless to try & stir that up again
[08:35] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I agree, kinda weird.
[08:37] <herve> hello
[08:42] <ajmitch> hey herve
[08:52] <JohnnyMast> hi Jimbob_ welcome
[08:52] <Jimbob_> Hi JohnnyMast
[08:52] <Jimbob_> I'm actually jcape, just had a power hiccup
[08:54] <JohnnyMast> i know you are
[08:54] <JohnnyMast> * Jimbob_ (i=jcape@ <--
[08:55] <jcape> Ok
[09:10] <dholbach> we're having a QUICK motu meeting atm
[09:10] <dholbach> current topic: REVU
[09:10] <ajmitch> dholbach: sigh
[09:11] <dholbach> ajmitch: *sigh back*
[09:29] <crimsun> LaserJock: bookmarked, will look tonight.
[09:29] <LaserJock> thanks
[09:32] <ajmitch> hey magnon_ :)
[09:33] <magnon_> I feel so... free, but at the same time naked
[09:33] <magnon_> hey :)
[09:40] <\sh> good night..but I think I'm coming back later this night
[09:50] <JohnnyMast> owwkey ??
[09:50] <ajmitch> bzr is great..
[09:50] <JohnnyMast> why am i unsubscibed from the reviewers mailing ?
[09:50] <ajmitch> updating to 0.1.5, bzr branch ../f-spot-0.1.4/debian/
[09:53] <JohnnyMast> :/
[09:53] <ajmitch> usually it's because of bouncing mail
[09:54] <Tonio_> hi all
[09:55] <ajmitch> JohnnyMast: don't worry...
[09:55] <ajmitch> From: motu-reviewers-bounces@tauware.de
[09:55] <ajmitch> To: universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com
[09:55] <ajmitch> it's the bug list being unsubscribed
[09:57] <siretart> dholbach: I just unsubscribed universe-bugs@ from motu-reviewers@tauware.de
[09:58] <dholbach> ok
[09:58] <siretart> dholbach: you shouldn't get annoying mails anymore
[09:58] <dholbach> super
[10:06] <lucas> I have a few merges waiting related to ruby packages
[10:06] <lucas> could somebody take a look at them ? I'd like to do others, but don't want to start working on them before I'm sure I'm doing everything right
[10:06] <dholbach> slomo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Media
[10:08] <slomo_> dholbach: thanks :) but i'll go to bed now...
[10:08] <slomo_> gn8 everybody :)
[10:08] <crimsun> 'night
[10:09] <dholbach> slomo_: righto, good night :)
[10:10] <sistpoty> gn8 slomo_:
[10:12] <ajmitch> lucas: email \sh about them
[10:13] <ajmitch> he's offered to handle a bit of reviewing for the next week or so
[10:13] <lucas> ok I will
[10:18] <LaserJock> ajmitch: is there a place to look at the revu2 code?
[10:20] <sistpoty> LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi
[10:20] <sistpoty> (hopefully there is a link to public svn in there)
[10:20] <LaserJock> sistpoty: thanks
[10:21] <sistpoty> LaserJock: svn is here: http://tiber.tauware.de/svn/revu2/
[10:21] <herve> good night
[10:22] <LaserJock> sistpoty: thanks again
[10:22] <sistpoty> np
[10:26] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[10:28] <kos_tom> siretart: I thought that I was supposed to receive an e-mail with my password on Revu after my first upload. I still didn't receive an e-mail, while my upload is available on the Revu website. Is it the expected behaviour ?
[10:30] <lucas> kos_tom: try to log in
[10:30] <lucas> with a random pw
[10:30] <LaserJock> kos_tom: I think you need to do the password recovery on the revu site
[10:30] <lucas> then ask for a lost password
[10:30] <siretart> kos_tom: yes. revu currently doesn't send any emails at all
[10:30] <siretart> kos_tom: use the recover link to learn your password. use as login the email adress you put in the changes file
[10:31] <kos_tom> ok, works
[10:31] <kos_tom> thanks !
[10:33] <raphink> dholbach: would you have some time to approve a small diff on a package you already advocated ?
[10:33] <dholbach> the link is?
[10:33] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1102
[10:34] <raphink> hopefully the file will appear in a very short time
[10:34] <raphink> gree
[10:34] <raphink> grr slow system ;)
[10:34] <dholbach> sure, you don'T have to ask for a new "ack"
[10:34] <dholbach> it's ok :)
[10:34] <raphink> really?
[10:34] <raphink> I thought so
[10:34] <dholbach> yeah
[10:35] <raphink> you mean if it's been aproved twice it works, even if not the same version?
[10:35] <raphink> sounds strange to me
[10:35] <raphink> ok it's up : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1102
[10:36] <raphink> just moved bash executables from /usr/bin to /usr/sbin where they should be ;)
[10:36] <LaserJock> The advocate counter get's reset at each upload
[10:36] <raphink> yes
[10:36] <siretart> could anyone please have a short look at my summary to the media team meeting?
[10:36] <siretart> http://paste.debian.net/3236
[10:36] <raphink> so it has to be advocated agagin
[10:36] <raphink> again
[10:36] <dholbach> it's just, if A gives you a vote, B gives you a vote on another upload and the diff is tiny, then you don't need to run around for weeks to find another motu give an ok :)
[10:37] <siretart> if I havn't missed an important point, i'd like to send it as is
[10:37] <raphink> oh ok dholbach :)
[10:37] <raphink> taht's why I ask
[10:37] <sistpoty> dholbach: did you upload it already?
[10:37] <raphink> siretart: could you have a look at it, too?
[10:37] <dholbach> we're maybe picky and anal, but we're not stupid :)
[10:38] <raphink> I know that dholbach, of course ;)
[10:38] <siretart> raphink: later, I'll have to write the minutes of the motu meeting now
[10:38] <siretart> sorry
[10:38] <raphink> dholbach: why would I want to become a MOTU, if I thought they were stupid people ? ;)
[10:38] <raphink> siretart: np
[10:38] <dholbach> siretart: looks great
[10:38] <dholbach> sistpoty: you had a look too? :)
[10:39] <siretart> dholbach: shall I include ubuntu-devel-announce, too?
[10:39] <sistpoty> dholbach: not yet... but in case you uploaded it, I would have said that it would have been kind to leave a comment
[10:39] <dholbach> raphink: i added a smiley ;)
[10:40] <dholbach> siretart: sure
[10:40] <siretart> ok
[10:40] <sistpoty> next sentence will be with future perfect *g*
[10:40] <raphink> dholbach: ?
[10:41] <sistpoty> siretart: looks good
[10:41] <dholbach> sistpoty: didn't upload yet
[10:41] <raphink> dholbach: ok my changes are wrong
[10:41] <raphink> dholbach: I'll change again
[10:41] <raphink> LOL
[10:42] <sistpoty> raphink: ok, then I'll wait for your next upload ;)
[10:42] <raphink> ok won't be long sistpoty :)
[10:42] <raphink> sistpoty: if you want to review my package, I have about 10 waiting on REVU
[10:42] <sistpoty> s/wait/work on revu mails/
[10:43] <sistpoty> raphink: I'll really want to have revu1 send mails as top prio atm... but once this is done, I guess I'll test that feature
[10:43] <raphink> ok
[10:44] <raphink> haha
[10:44] <raphink> dholbach: you'll have to advoated again
[10:44] <raphink>  /usr/sbin doesn't look good actually ;)
[10:45] <JohnnyMast> dholbach available to review the changes i made in my revu after you comemnted my ttb package ?
[10:45] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: i'll gladly do so, which one is it?
[10:45] <dholbach> hey de
[10:45] <dholbach> hey desrt
[10:45] <desrt> hello. :)
[10:45] <JohnnyMast> let me link you
[10:45] <desrt> dholbach; do you know who handles ghc for ubuntu?
[10:46] <JohnnyMast> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1182
[10:46] <magnon> desrt!
[10:46] <dholbach> desrt: did you read the ubuntu desktop news?!
[10:46] <desrt> magnon; 'sup?
[10:46] <desrt> dholbach; i did.
[10:46] <magnon> desrt: I cut my hair
[10:46] <desrt> magnon; uh oh.
[10:46] <dholbach> desrt: ghc - sistpoty?
[10:46] <desrt> magnon; got pics?
[10:46] <JohnnyMast> it includes a patch now witch you talked about
[10:46] <sistpoty> desrt: ghc as in ghc6?
[10:46] <desrt> sistpoty; yes.
[10:46] <sistpoty> desrt: I did some work on it, why?
[10:46] <desrt> sistpoty; do you know why it builds with gcc-3.3?
[10:47] <desrt> magnon; interesting cuty
[10:47] <desrt> *cut
[10:47] <desrt> why did you do it?
[10:47] <sistpoty> desrt: it shouldn't... actually the one in dapper should build with gcc4
[10:47] <raphink> sistpoty, dholbach : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1184
[10:47] <desrt> weird.
[10:47] <desrt> brb.
[10:47] <sistpoty> desrt: do you mean haskell stuff built with ghc6 or buildlogs of ghc6?
[10:48] <ajmitch> hey desrt
[10:49] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: python-dev (>=2.2) is not needed in the depends - did you have a look at the package's dependencies, after it was built? ${python:Depends} will have been substituted by the appropriate python version
[10:49] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: i doubt you need debian/control.save in the debian/ dir ;-)
[10:49] <desrt> ajmitch; hello.
[10:49] <JohnnyMast> lol yeah
[10:50] <desrt> sistpoty; i mean if i look at the source package for ghc6 (in breezy, admittedly) it builds with gcc-3.3
[10:50] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: why the patch to setup.py? is it wrong the way it is?
[10:50] <desrt> magnon; so make with the info.  why did you do it? :)
[10:50] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: i didnt see the obvious breakage
[10:50] <magnon> desrt: six years since last it was short
[10:50] <sistpoty> desrt: the breezy package didn't work with gcc-4 yet... only a quite unstable cvs-version did, and so decision was made to go with gcc-3.3
[10:51] <desrt> ahh.  right
[10:51] <desrt> 6.4.1 wasn't out yet
[10:51] <desrt> i remember now :)
[10:51] <magnon> feels kinda good
[10:51] <desrt> hmm
[10:51] <Tonio_> hi
[10:51] <JohnnyMast> how do you mean breakage ?
[10:51] <Tonio_> little question
[10:51] <dholbach> you tried to fix something with the patch, no?
[10:51] <dholbach> i mean, what was broken before?
[10:51] <Tonio_> if you had to rename a file in the tarball, how would you proceed ?
[10:51] <desrt> sistpoty; just building 641 here and was wondering if there was something i should know about :)
[10:51] <Tonio_> a patch ?
[10:51] <dholbach> raphink: now i understand, when i clicked on "debdiff" it just had the debhelper change, which was obviously fine with me :)
[10:51] <magnon> anyway, beer awaits
[10:52] <dholbach> Tonio_: use a debdiff
[10:52] <magnon> bye!
[10:52] <desrt> magnon; cheers
[10:52] <JohnnyMast> dholbach yes
[10:52] <Tonio_> dholbach: okay ;)
[10:52] <JohnnyMast> on python-glade2
[10:52] <dholbach> Tonio_: you could move it in debian/rules too
[10:52] <raphink> dholbach: ;)
[10:52] <dholbach> Tonio_: depends how long lasting this change will be
[10:53] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: the patch is a bit longer, no?
[10:53] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: on setup.py?
[10:53] <dholbach> raphink: are you happy with the current version? i'll give it another quick glance now
[10:53] <JohnnyMast> yes i cut out everything that was not needed
[10:53] <raphink> yes I'm happy with it dholbach
[10:53] <JohnnyMast> everything was in control
[10:53] <raphink> dholbach: sorry for the sbin stuff
[10:53] <JohnnyMast> so i did remove the checks
[10:53] <sistpoty> desrt: have fun... will take quite some time to build it... (~6 hours on my slow system)
[10:54] <desrt> sistpoty; i know.  i'm ghc upstream :p
[10:54] <sistpoty> desrt: ah, good to know... then I can bug you with problems :)
[10:54] <desrt> sistpoty; ya.  definitely.
[10:55] <desrt> sistpoty; i only maintain powerpc/linux port but any questions with that are more than welcome
[10:55] <Tonio_> dholbach: a few kB only ;)
[10:55] <dholbach> Tonio_: how long it will last and everything :)
[10:55] <dholbach> if the file differs with the next upstream release, you will have to work on the patch again :)
[10:55] <Tonio_> dholbach: depends if the upstream will accept the change or not ;)
[10:56] <Tonio_> in fact there is a .sh file in /usr/bin
[10:56] <dholbach> yeah :)
[10:56] <Tonio_> I've been told by siretart that it was crappy
[10:56] <dholbach> ah
[10:56] <dholbach> maybe move it
[10:56] <JohnnyMast> dholbach enlighten me when you find more. i fixed those two things you stated
[10:56] <Tonio_> and that causes a bug in lintian, who is unable to find the man
[10:56] <JohnnyMast> ready for source build but if you find more
[10:57] <Tonio_> so I'm patching the complete source and renaming the file, then package and send the patch to upstream authors
[10:57] <Tonio_> and make a pray for the patch to be added to the next version ^^
[11:00] <dholbach> raphink: an upload with orig.tar.gz please? :)
[11:01] <raphink> how come there's no orig.tar.gz ?
[11:01] <raphink> it's there in my folder though
[11:01] <dholbach> debuild -S ... dput ? :)
[11:01] <dholbach> instead of deuibld -S -sa?
[11:01] <raphink> hmm
[11:01] <raphink> hehe
[11:02] <raphink> learning a lot today ;)
[11:02] <raphink> uploaded again
[11:02] <raphink> waiting for it to appear
[11:03] <LaserJock> raphink: did you use dput -f ?
[11:03] <LaserJock> I always forget that
[11:03] <raphink> I had not used -sa in debuild
[11:03] <raphink> and I never use dput -f
[11:03] <thierry> if I'm packaging a librairing named fox, should I call the package libfox or fox?
[11:03] <raphink> what does it do?
[11:03] <thierry> librairy*
[11:04] <LaserJock> it forces dput to reupload
[11:04] <raphink> LaserJock: I remove the .upload usually
[11:04] <raphink> I guess -f is easier
[11:04] <LaserJock> either way ;-)
[11:06] <raphink> orig uploaded dholbach  :)
[11:06] <dholbach> rock
[11:06] <raphink> haha
[11:07] <raphink> sorry for all this
[11:07] <raphink> I hesitate asking you to review another package now ;)
[11:07] <raphink> hehe
[11:07] <Tonio_> raphink: have you been able to test briquolo ?
[11:08] <raphink> hmm not yet Tonio_
[11:08] <Tonio_> okay ;)
[11:08] <raphink> I'll try it now
[11:08] <Tonio_> thanks ;)
[11:09] <thierry> and how can I find a package for this error : /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext
[11:09] <crimsun> libxext-dev
[11:09] <tseng> sounds like libx11ext
[11:09] <tseng> or that
[11:09] <JohnnyMast> dholbach changes uploaded
[11:12] <raphink> dholbach: fine to you?
[11:12] <dholbach> both packages are not updated on the package yet, are they?
[11:13] <raphink> they are dholbach
[11:13] <raphink> mine is
[11:14] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: i don't see the sense in most changes in the patch
[11:15] <ajmitch> I feel like uploading a new f-spot
[11:15] <JohnnyMast> dholbach, the problem was. The package depends on python-glade2
[11:15] <ajmitch> but I haven't tested it at all
[11:15] <JohnnyMast> so its nicely added to the package
[11:16] <dholbach> yeah and that's fine, but you change a lot of other stuff
[11:16] <JohnnyMast> yes correct
[11:16] <raphink> dholbach: you don't see it uploaded ?
[11:16] <dholbach> and it's better to change one obvious thing per patch :)
[11:16] <dholbach> raphink: now i see it, thanks
[11:16] <raphink> ok :)
[11:16] <JohnnyMast> there was no need for the checks since the control manages that now and upstream is aware of getting rid of unused resources
[11:16] <JohnnyMast> or un needed
[11:16] <dholbach> i'm not talking about the checks
[11:17] <dholbach> but about comments and ordering of imports
[11:17] <dholbach> sorry to be so picky :)
[11:17] <dholbach> the patch is not really clear about what it does
[11:17] <JohnnyMast> well whats the problem in that ? since the patch is a recode of what was there
[11:18] <dholbach> you name a patch like    debian/patches/01_change_glade_tests.patch
[11:18] <dholbach> and then you do exactly this in the patch
[11:18] <dholbach> so everybody has a full understanding of what goes on
[11:18] <JohnnyMast> well dholbach the reason why it fails in debuild / pbuilder is also vague :/
[11:18] <JohnnyMast> ok
[11:18] <JohnnyMast> let me do that
[11:18] <JohnnyMast> more points ?
[11:18] <dholbach> what happens, if upstream changes stuff in the next upstream release
[11:19] <dholbach> do you want to have to change each of the tiny bits or just the relevant stuff each time? :)
[11:19] <JohnnyMast> that doesnt change anything
[11:19] <JohnnyMast> only maybe the deps
[11:19] <JohnnyMast> and ofcource the code
[11:19] <JohnnyMast> if you study the new setup.py it only installs nothing more
[11:20] <JohnnyMast> and yes if there are big changes that have to be done to the setup as well. i have to patch it again
[11:20] <dholbach> let somebody else review the patch, maybe i just don't get it
[11:20] <siretart> sistpoty: I see you just commited r109, is this all and can I apply to /srv/revu1?
[11:20] <dholbach> but changing comments and ordering of module imports are not necessary
[11:20] <dholbach> keep the diff small
[11:20] <sistpoty> erm.. not all yet siretart
[11:20] <dholbach> apart from that it looks good
[11:21] <sistpoty> -> query
[11:21] <dholbach> raphink: i'll upload it :)
[11:21] <raphink> thanks dholbach
[11:21] <JohnnyMast> thanks, so you want me to change the name of the patch and also the content to litle changes ?
[11:21] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: maybe you want to get other opinions on that, if you think you're right
[11:21] <desrt> sistpoty; do you do issue tracking for ubuntu's ghc6?
[11:22] <JohnnyMast> any reviewers want to review ttb on revu for a quick bit ?
[11:22] <raphink> dholbach: coudl you have a look at knmap (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1171) or kyamo (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1105) too ?
[11:22] <raphink> I can do that JohnnyMast
[11:22] <sistpoty> desrt: what do you mean with issue tracking?
[11:22] <dholbach> raphink: not tonight, sorry - please send me a mail and i'll have a look tomorrow
[11:22] <desrt> sistpoty; bug reports
[11:22] <raphink> dholbach: sure
[11:23] <dholbach> cool
[11:23] <sistpoty> desrt: once we get some... but currently I haven't heard of a bug report yet
[11:23] <desrt> it's going into upstream and will be in 6.4.2... but it should go in ubuntu too if 6.4.2 isn't released (which it probably won't be)
[11:24] <sistpoty> desrt: that's good... you could either throw it to malone, or what would be even cooler is to get this to debian BTS (since it's basically the debian/unstable package, with a one line change)
[11:24] <desrt> cool.  i know igloo.  he's a cool guy :)
[11:24] <desrt> igloo?  cool?  he he he
[11:24] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:25] <sistpoty> anybody wanting to add comments to revu... be aware that it might break :)
[11:26] <raphink> sistpoty: what do you mean?
[11:26] <raphink> it's reaching the maximum comments limit ?
[11:27] <raphink> ;)
[11:27] <raphink> JohnnyMast: can you give me the link pls?
[11:27] <sistpoty> raphink: as in "first commit that enables mail on comments (which is totally untested)
[11:27] <JohnnyMast> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1189
[11:27] <raphink> oh great sistpoty :)
[11:27] <raphink> looking forward to this
[11:28] <raphink> ooo
[11:28] <raphink> python
[11:29] <ajmitch> sistpoty: you have it mailing out yet?
[11:29] <sistpoty> ajmitch: it should, I'll test now
[11:29] <raphink> what do I do if the .changes of a package doesn't exist on the server ? ;)
[11:29] <raphink> hehe
[11:29] <sistpoty> well, it doesn't exactly mail yet. but gives funny messages
[11:29] <raphink> on REVU I mean
[11:30] <raphink> ;)
[11:30] <raphink> it'll be hard to review
[11:30] <sistpoty> raphink: the .changes are for uploading only
[11:30] <raphink> sistpoty: I use it with dpkg-source -x
[11:30] <sistpoty> raphink: a sourcepackage consists of dsc, which defines what other files belong to it
[11:30] <raphink> unless I don't need it
[11:31] <raphink> oh no I need diff actually
[11:31] <raphink> but it's not there
[11:31] <sistpoty> raphink: dpkg-source -x foobar.dsc will work as well
[11:31] <raphink> no it's missing orig
[11:31] <raphink> that's why
[11:31] <raphink> hehe
[11:31] <raphink> I'm a bit tired and used to getting the 3 first files in the list
[11:31] <raphink> lol
[11:31] <raphink> JohnnyMast: you miss the orig.tar.gz
[11:31] <raphink> JohnnyMast: did you run debuild -S -sa  ?
[11:32] <JohnnyMast> raphink ?? kidding ?
[11:32] <raphink> nope I'm not kidding
[11:32] <JohnnyMast> hold on
[11:32] <JohnnyMast> holy cow
[11:33] <JohnnyMast> no
[11:33] <raphink> lol
[11:33] <JohnnyMast> dpkg -buildpackage -S -sa -k<key>
[11:33] <raphink> mhm
[11:35] <sistpoty> ok, revu comments are fixed
[11:35] <JohnnyMast> raphink fix uploaded
[11:35] <raphink> ok
[11:35] <raphink> let's wait
[11:35] <raphink> ;)
[11:37] <JohnnyMast> yep
[11:37] <raphink> thank you JohnnyMast
[11:37] <JohnnyMast> :)
[11:39] <ajmitch> sistpoty:
[11:39] <ajmitch> To: motu-reviewers@tauware.de
[11:39] <ajmitch> From: www-data <www-data@tiber.tauware.de>
[11:39] <ajmitch> please change the from address ;)
[11:39] <siretart> ah. hm
[11:39] <siretart> ajmitch: we are using /usr/bin/mail for sending emails
[11:39] <ajmitch> siretart: yep
[11:39] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I need to change some details first... seems like I got sql wrong
[11:40] <ajmitch> and I don't know why you are doing so
[11:40] <ajmitch> when python has some nice simple smtplib
[11:40] <JohnnyMast> raphink http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1190
[11:40] <raphink> yeah saw it
[11:41] <sistpoty> ajmitch: because it's a nasty little hack ;)
[11:41] <JohnnyMast> i kept on pressing F5 :p
[11:41] <raphink> hehe
[11:41] <ajmitch> I guessed that :)
[11:42] <raphink> before I review it JohnnyMast you'll have to explain me why you switched from 0ubuntu1 to 1ubuntu1 ?
[11:42] <raphink> ;)
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> because i was stupid and uploaded 1ubuntu1
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> grr
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> hehe
[11:43] <raphink> ok I'll review it this way
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> no
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> its no update
[11:43] <raphink> please revert to 0ubuntu1  and I'll check the diff
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> more a downgrade
[11:43] <raphink> huh?
[11:44] <JohnnyMast> 1ubuntu1  is verry old beside the versoning is wrong
[11:44] <raphink> very old ??
[11:44] <JohnnyMast> but i still had that changes file until ajmitch told to change to 0ubuntu1
[11:44] <JohnnyMast> ^^
[11:44] <raphink> you mean you just sent an old version of the package ? ;)
[11:44] <raphink> oh ic
[11:44] <JohnnyMast> yes
[11:44] <raphink> well I'll wait again then
[11:45] <JohnnyMast> sorry
[11:45] <raphink> cd ttb && rm -rf ./*
[11:45] <raphink> while{no new version of ttb on REVU} do wait; done
[11:45] <raphink> ;)
[11:46] <raphink> is it me or LP changed ?
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> LP ?
[11:47] <raphink> launchpad
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> mine ?
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> why ?
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> ew misread
[11:47] <raphink> no I said that LP has changed
[11:47] <raphink> it doesn't look the same
[11:47] <raphink> nm
[11:48] <JohnnyMast> yeah its changed
[11:48] <JohnnyMast> since a few days this is the new look
[11:48] <JohnnyMast> the boxes you mean ?
[11:48] <raphink> yes
[11:49] <JohnnyMast> uhu
[11:49] <JohnnyMast> i dont get what changed
[11:49] <JohnnyMast> then new upload
[11:49] <JohnnyMast> has also no orig.tar.gz
[11:49] <raphink> huhu
[11:50] <raphink> :)
[11:52] <JohnnyMast> i dont see why
[11:52] <JohnnyMast> rave@ubuntu:~/ttb-0.9.4/ttb-0.9.4$ sudo dpkg-buildpackage -S -as -k84A62F8D
[11:53] <raphink> sa
[11:53] <JohnnyMast> in the end
[11:53] <JohnnyMast> dpkg-buildpackage: source only, diff-only upload (original source NOT included
[11:53] <siretart> ajmitch: I think I got it now
[11:53] <raphink> not as
[11:53] <JohnnyMast> oooh
[11:53] <raphink> -sa
[11:53] <siretart> ajmitch: I added the -f option to the sendmail call
[11:53] <ajmitch> siretart: great
[11:53] <ajmitch> now I have to tweak procmail
[11:53] <JohnnyMast> bingo !
[11:53] <JohnnyMast> dpkg-buildpackage: source only upload (original source is included)
[11:53] <siretart> ajmitch: which email should I set?
[11:53] <raphink> heh ;)
[11:54] <siretart> I don't feel comfortable in putting my own email there ;)
[11:54] <JohnnyMast> uploaded ...
[11:54] <ajmitch> siretart: an alias on tiber, maybe revu@
[11:54] <ajmitch> or just the motu-reviewers list
[11:55] <siretart> ajmitch: I hope that won't confuse mailman, but I'll try
[11:55] <ajmitch> it shouldn't
[11:55] <sistpoty> raphink: just ignore my comment on konq-kim
[11:55] <raphink> sistpoty: what do you mean?
[11:55] <sistpoty> raphink: I just test-commented once more
[11:56] <raphink> yes probably spam
[11:56] <raphink> got it
[11:56] <JohnnyMast> its complete now raphink
[11:56] <raphink> too bad, I would ahve liked it if you had advocated though sistpoty ;)
[11:56] <raphink> JohnnyMast: ok I'll have a look
[11:56] <raphink> complete and up-to-date ? ;)
[11:56] <sistpoty> raphink: I'll test advocate later ;)
[11:56] <raphink> hehe ok
[11:56] <siretart> ajmitch: http://tauware.de/pipermail/motu-reviewers/2005-December/000098.html this one looks even nicer :)
[11:57] <ajmitch> siretart: looks good
[11:57] <JohnnyMast> raphink yes
[11:57] <raphink> sistpoty: when emails are sent, there could be nice messages when packages are approved
[11:57] <raphink> like
[11:57] <raphink> `Congratulations, your package was approved! Thanks for your contribution'
[11:58] <raphink> that'll boost packagers ;)
[11:58] <raphink> hehe
[11:58] <JohnnyMast> yes it will, good idea raphink
[11:58] <siretart> sistpoty: are you still editing scripts/Comments.py?
[11:58] <sistpoty> hm... maybe for revu2 ;)
[11:58] <siretart> or can I commit?
[11:58] <sistpoty> siretart: no
[11:58] <sistpoty> siretart: it looks good now... you can commit
[11:59] <ajmitch> siretart: they appear to come from your address now, or did you change it since?
[11:59] <siretart> ajmitch: http://tauware.de/pipermail/motu-reviewers/2005-December/000098.html
[11:59] <sistpoty> hm... I could take a look at smtplib. if it's easy I'll change it
[12:00] <siretart> that mail seems to come from the mailing list itself. the 2 former tests looked like they came from me
[12:00] <ajmitch> yep
[12:00] <ajmitch> ok, I'll bbl
[12:00] <siretart> ajmitch: if you want to hack, have a look at /src/revu1/scripts/Comments.py
[12:00] <siretart> ;)
[12:00] <ajmitch> good work on revu :)
[12:00] <ajmitch> siretart: maybe later, I  have to head out now
[12:00] <siretart> ajmitch: have fun!
[12:00] <siretart> and good work to sistpoty!
[12:01] <sistpoty> thx
[12:01] <siretart> had actually to adapt the exim config to make www-data 'trusted'.. oh well
[12:01] <sistpoty> siretart: smtplib is too easy...
[12:01] <siretart> yeah?
[12:02] <sistpoty> siretart: yes... I'll do a quick fix
[12:02] <siretart> siretart: does it allow to set the -f flag to sendmail and specify the envelope from?