=== spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] anyone could review knmap please ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1167 === Trashcan [n=matt@ip70-176-253-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-078-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] hmm [12:44] I'm reviewing tex4ht [12:44] it uses 20051130-1ubuntu1 as the version [12:45] the maintainer is the official debian maintainer, and this package was built over 20050402.1817-1 [12:45] but 20051130-1 doesn't exist in debian sid [12:45] so shouldn't it be 200051130-0ubuntu1 ? [12:45] ajmitch: any idea? [12:46] slomo: ? [12:46] raphink: I _think_ it was in NEW but now seems to be rejected [12:47] let me check [12:47] ah ok [12:48] where do you see that minghua ? [12:49] raphink: I remembered correctly: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2005/12/msg00115.html [12:49] oh it's on the lists [12:49] there's no web interface? [12:50] raphink: no idea where it is now though, not in the NEW queue for sure [12:50] ok thanks [12:50] raphink: oh you don't know the web interace for NEW queue? http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html [12:50] thanks [12:50] raphink: I've seen tex4ht there a few days ago [12:51] ok [12:51] good [12:51] raphink: and if you follow that thread, you'll the package has a few problems, and the maintainer is improving it [12:52] ok === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _sergio [n=sergio@164.77.243.129] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] <_sergio> hello [01:15] <_sergio> anyone know about faad, or gstreamer0.8-faad plugin support in ubuntu? [01:16] what about it? [01:16] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.154.208] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@84.254.9.197] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] \sh: feeling any better? [01:43] <\sh> na i just woke up again... [01:44] can't sleep now? [01:44] <\sh> ajmitch: I slept the whole day every once and a while... [01:44] hm [01:46] <\sh> I tried to watch some movies today....just felt asleep in the middle of them...and woke up right after the end...well...I should go to a doctor [01:46] yeah, I think it's a good idea [01:47] you've been well for too long, and now you're sicker than you should be [01:47] <\sh> oh..and btw..whenever you have the chance to watch harry potter and the goblet of fire...please watch it..one of the best [01:51] \sh: I haven't seen any of them. I should do that some time. [01:52] <\sh> oh...the european parlament just agreed, that all phone, fax, sms, email etc. traffic must be stored for more the a reasonable time...means...we have to send now only emails gpg encrypted..so they have garbage [01:52] <\sh> LaserJock: read the books first..much better, more fun :) [01:52] \sh: really, cool. [01:53] \sh: how long do they want to store them? [01:53] years? [01:53] <\sh> more then min. 18 months [01:54] crazy [01:54] seems like there wouldn't be enough space for all that, phones especially [01:54] since obviously all citizens are potential terrorists.. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] <\sh> LaserJock: oh the goverment only needs to grab the data...the companies have to save them in a secure place..that again is a really big problem [01:55] <\sh> good morning ogra [01:55] so all companies need to save phone calls, emails, etc for all employees? [01:55] <\sh> ajmitch: for all customers [01:56] hm [01:56] <\sh> ajmitch: for most of the companies which are using exchange, saving mails is default [01:56] s/saving/anything with/ [01:56] <\sh> ajmitch: my former companie is doing that a long time...and lawful interception is now going to be crazy [01:57] thanks for reviewing grub-splashimages Riddell :) === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BlueDevil [n=mircea@81.196.151.21] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] raphink: hi [02:08] hi freeflying === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === McFergus [n=frg@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:20] someone tell me when is the worse time for a crash when using ext3? === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-82-53.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] because I think it just happened to one of my friends [02:21] Kyral: when the hard drive goes down in flames? [02:21] I meant for the Journel... [02:22] same answer :) [02:22] it's generally fairly robust [02:22] Basically he pulled the power in the middle of an Apt install and when it came up (after 4 tries) it wouldn't let him sudo saying something in Var is RO [02:23] and he can't use his file manager [02:23] right [02:23] that was a fairly stupid thing to do then [02:23] I think he pulled the power in the worst moment lol [02:24] I told him to go to recovery mode and set the mount count on the drive to 100 [02:24] to force a check :D [02:26] or he could use fsck, which does the same thing.. [02:26] he only has one partition (aside from swap) and no LiveCDs [02:26] clever [02:27] He's not one of us who carries a LiveCD wherever they go [02:27] ;P [02:27] the ones in my bag are dead :) [02:27] lol [02:27] a patch on the reflective layer is damaged === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macgyver2 [n=eric@pdpc/supporter/student/macgyver2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] gn guys :) === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macgyver2 [n=eric@pdpc/supporter/student/macgyver2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jason [n=jason@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] help! [03:50] I need a motu with ~ 10 minutes of spare cycle [03:50] s [03:50] we've got a problem we're tracking down with the launchpad code base on amd64, and we'd like a patch to libgpgme11 1.0.2-1build1 to build a -dbg package [03:51] I'm insanely busy today, so I'm hoping one of you kind folk has the time to do this [minor] tweak === dous [n=adpenara@203.131.155.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] Nafallo: thanks! [04:04] Nafallo: its really easy: [04:04] 1) check debian/compat == 5 [04:04] 2) add a control rule for libgpgme11-dbg with appropriate description etc [04:05] set the dependencies to libgpgme11 (= ${Source-Version}) (check that for typos ;)) [04:05] 3) when dh_strip is called, add --dbg-package=libgpgme11-dbg [04:05] test ;) [04:05] yea, I've given it to pbuilder. why compat 5? [04:05] compat 4 has different behaviour [04:06] man dh_strip for the details [04:07] hmm, it was using 3 ;-) [04:07] :) [04:08] oh, and build-dep on binutils, my bad ;) === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-82-133.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:24] it was for amd64, right? :-) [04:25] dont need binaries [04:25] in the DC everything is rebuilt anyway [04:25] oh nm, it was :-) [04:25] just an interdiff against the prior .diff.gz will be great, because I can feed that to Znarl [04:26] dooh [04:26] http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/repo/foo/ [04:27] http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/gpgme1.0_1.0.2-1ubuntu1.debdiff [04:27] Access forbidden! [04:28] oh? [04:28] try it ;) [04:28] dooh === Nafallo looked at the wrong file :-P [04:29] done now [04:30] nice. A small bit of feedback .. [04:30] + This package contains the debug version of the library found in libgpgme11. [04:30] + [04:30] more accurate would be: [04:30] This package contains debug symbols for the library found in libgpgme11. [04:30] (its not a full library in there) [04:30] thanks heaps. [04:30] true :-). I stole the desc from libdmx-dbg ;-) [04:31] so I totally blame daniels ;-) [04:31] well hes on crack, so whaddya expect ;) [04:31] hehe [04:36] ok waiting for flight 2 download to finish [04:36] 2 hours argh! [04:37] I did that before the announcement today and then just kept seeding ;-) === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp04197965pcs.crosky01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [i=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === moquist_ [n=moquist@londonderry-cuda1-68-171-194-42.lndnnh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.32.253] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-87-69-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] G'day all [07:26] I've found a w32codecs package in an unofficial debian repo that is an installer like msttcorefonts, can we include it in ubuntu ? === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:27] i believe those are reverse engineered codecs from the original ms codecs [07:28] jsgotangco: It's just an installer, it wgets the codecs from the web [07:28] ah it grabs the codecs from MS? neat [07:29] jsgotangco: actually, from an mplayer mirror [07:34] no objections ? [07:37] i still find it dodgy though [07:39] not sure. the ms core fonts have a license that allows redistribution, what about the codecs? [07:41] minghua: I'll see if I can check the codecs, but they are mirrored over the web, and end up on magazine cd's every month or so [07:43] I thought it might be useful, since ubuntu isn't actually distributing the codecs, it just distributes an installer, like with flash, and other non-free apps [07:43] Yagisan: that would be good. if it has a redistributable license I don't see any reason to object such an installer package === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-100-81.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1DC3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:03] hi dholbach [08:03] good morning motus === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:05] dholbach: how's it going? [08:07] nicely... just need to wake up :) [08:07] some coffee will do and get me through the status update meeting [08:07] hmm, I need to get to bed === dous [n=adpenara@203.131.155.132] has left #ubuntu-motu ["ERC] [08:08] just working on the Packaging Guide a bit before I do === dous [n=adpenara@203.131.155.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.32.253] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:13] morning === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bojan [i=www-data@midnight.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:26] morning! [08:35] G'day siretart [08:36] I'll be starting work on the backport package a bit latter tonight, mind if I ask you some questions about it later ? === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:37] hello from manila! :D [08:39] hello zakame [08:39] how are you? how's life over there? [08:39] hi dholbach ! :D [08:39] slomo: can we add x264 support to mplayer ? It would need the x264 package from here http://apt.cerkinfo.be/pool/main/x264/ and to add libx264-dev as a build-dep [08:40] just arrived in Manila from Daet, after a rather uneventful 7-hour busride :) [08:41] Yagisan: that's only an encoder, right? but sure, i have it already an my todo list... if it's important enough for you just package x264 :) i'll get to this or next weekend otherwise [08:42] Yagisan: oh, no need to... marillat already has a package for it... let's see if we can take it... [08:43] slomo: I found the cerkinfo package :) and yes it is an encoder [08:43] so only relevant for mencoder... ok [08:43] oh no... another static-only lib :( === slomo begins to cry [08:44] slomo: It lets me encode mpeg4 part 10 streams , instead of mpeg4 part 2 [08:44] yay! gtklp fanmail! :D [08:44] slomo: the cerkinfo one doesn't look static [08:44] Yagisan: yes, h264... btw, does decoding it work for you with current mplayer? [08:45] slomo: decode "should" work with your new mplayer, but not encode [08:45] Yagisan: but it _should_ be... upstream doesn't build shared libs by default and they seem to have fun with breaking API/ABI [08:45] Yagisan: yes, it should ;) but i have nothing to test it :( [08:45] slomo: the cerkinfo guy split out ffmpeg for his mplayer [08:45] slomo: I do :) [08:46] Yagisan: what is cerkinfo btw? [08:46] slomo: I've seen that marillat has a new dvd copying software called k9copy now [08:47] slomo: http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ [08:47] slomo: it builds in dapper, but thats all what I tried. I intend to upload it the next days. Just wanted to ask if you have heared about it [08:47] siretart: ok, let's get it if they're not insane (i.e. ship css ;) ) [08:47] siretart: no, never heard of it... can you get x264 in while you're at it? ;) [08:47] slomo: if I understood it correctly it is a kde frontend to dvdauthor (which we already have) [08:48] I haven't even heard about x264 [08:48] morning all [08:48] hi sivang ! :) [08:49] slomo: breezys mplayer can decode x264 streams easily [08:49] siretart: it's just a h264 encoding library... which definitly needs to go to multiverse [08:49] Yagisan: yes but i ask for the dapper one ;P [08:49] siretart: mpeg4 part 10 - think high-qulaity xvid [08:49] dholbach: w00t! :D [08:50] Yagisan: I assume it is highly patent encumbered [08:50] slomo: dapper has a more compatible h264 decoding libary, I doubt there is a regression [08:50] siretart: so is jpeg [08:50] siretart: sure... what do you expect? it's mpeg :P [08:50] siretart: it is also an iso standard [08:52] Yagisan: iso allows patented algorithm to be standardised :( (is this spelled correctly?) [08:53] siretart: yup :D [08:53] though standardized is also ok [08:53] siretart: yep, ignore the overuse of the letter zed [08:53] Yagisan: you want to join MOTUMedia, btw? [08:54] hehe [08:54] siretart: I lack programming skills for that, but I can help test if you like ? [08:55] siretart: they allow everything, as long as it can be licensed under non-discriminatory terms [08:55] siretart: I took an interest in this when my daughter started using my dvds for teething [08:55] Yagisan: you could try to package x264 and upload it to revu, using our MOTUMedia list as maintainer :) [08:55] siretart: sure [08:55] I'm at work, and will be able to work on packages not before this late afternoon [08:56] siretart: x264 is already packaged by marillat... another static-only library to make us happy [08:56] ah, sounds easy then [08:56] slomo: I have a non-static libary [08:56] slomo: It also produces the x264 stand alone encoder [08:57] Yagisan: which is most probably hacked in... at least their svn versions don't build a shared library [08:57] slomo: I'll take another look at the package then [08:58] Yagisan: thanks :) === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1DC3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:59] hey dholbach [08:59] slomo: I can't find anything hackish to make a static lib here, anyway I've tossed it into pbuilder, lets see what pops out [08:59] re :) [09:00] wb dholbach [09:00] Yagisan: --enable-shared to configure? [09:02] slomo: no, want me to send you the package ? ~300K [09:03] slomo: dappers mplayer plays back x264 files fine with the h264 decoder :) [09:03] Yagisan: no, not needed... anyway, we only have a libx264-dev package... so there's no normal package for the shared library... seems to be a mistake by the packager that it's included [09:04] slomo: x264 does have a standalone encoder [09:04] slomo: mainly used by m$ windows users x264.exe [09:05] Yagisan: i know :) [09:05] argh, I forgot to backport yasm to build it [09:07] slomo: I'll fix the deps and send you a link when x264 is in revu [09:07] Yagisan: thanks [09:09] slomo: Who should I add for the uploader field ? I'm not a motu, so I can't upload [09:10] Yagisan: for x264? well, if the marillat package is fine just upload it without changing :) [09:11] Yagisan: leave uploader/maintainer as it is [09:11] slomo: It's not a marrilat package - but I'll leave maintainer intact [09:11] Yagisan: the one by noel? === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-48-109.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:13] slomo: yep [09:13] Yagisan: it's almost the same except marillat's packaging looked a bit cleaner at the first look ;) [09:14] slomo: I didn't see it in marillat's repo, I'll look again [09:15] it's in x/x264 [09:17] slomo: It seems marrilat has a slightly newer version. /me downloads [09:17] Yagisan: ok :) [09:19] slomo: I heard you you upload rights to main a while ago ? [09:19] s/you you/you got [09:20] yes [09:22] slomo: congratulations [09:22] thanks :) [09:23] slomo: Finally agreed on a name for my son yesterday, only took almost 4 weeks [09:25] hi === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] G'day ajmitch, how are things in kiwi land ? [09:26] hi ajmitch :D === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] great, how's things going over your side? [09:26] how's the family? [09:27] morning ajmitch :) [09:27] hi ajmitch :) [09:27] hey siretart [09:27] siretart: revu-build question - when I run it, I don't have permission to write out the filelists, postinsts, etc [09:28] can we make the directories owned by a group so we can all write there? [09:28] ajmitch: it should call pbuilder with root [09:28] pbuilder is called with root [09:28] i.e. with sudo [09:29] but the other files generated are done as the user [09:29] since revu-build calls dpkg-deb [09:29] ah, but it cannot write the output files, damn [09:29] if /var/revu/revu1-incoming is group-writeable & sticky, it should be fine [09:29] ajmitch: add yourself to the group 'revu' [09:29] actually all the dirs are owned by revu.. [09:30] hm [09:30] ajmitch: the incoming directories should be group writeable === ajmitch should have spotted that ;)( [09:30] ajmitch: family is ok, named my son at last, and I now need to arm myself to go to the shops because of the rioting fucktards [09:30] Yagisan: that crazy there? [09:30] ajmitch: if they aren't, then sudo chown/chmod it, they should be, if not, there is somewhere a bug then [09:30] siretart: yeah they are [09:31] siretart: with revu2, do you think email notification of comments will be useful? [09:31] ajmitch: we'll the lebs have pssed off every single other ethnic group, and were attacking children, and burning churches near my house [09:31] ajmitch: so yes, that crazy [09:31] Yagisan: that's insane [09:31] ajmitch: very useful! [09:31] ajmitch: they opened fire on a christian primary school!!! [09:31] siretart: I notice that we can have a month or two go by without a comment, and then someone adds one [09:32] Yagisan: whoa [09:32] Yagisan: the lebanese people? [09:32] or others? [09:32] ajmitch: yes, the lebanese people [09:32] ajmitch: /me too, we need to fix that with revu2 === ajmitch wouldn't have thought they'd do that === Yagisan is the only white guy in his area === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:33] I thought lebanon was still majority Christian anyway [09:33] ajmitch: they did. The school is a 20 minute walk from my house [09:33] ajmitch: it is actually the muslim lebanese that are causing the trouble [09:34] a shame [09:34] ajmitch: the burnt down a church belonging to pacific islanders near auburn hospital [09:34] I can understand why people are getting very mad over it [09:35] ajmitch: It's a religious problem [09:35] ajmitch: if you have time, could you check my libmemcache http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=929 ? :) [09:35] religious & ethnic [09:35] and just general stupidity [09:36] ajmitch: yep - and all I see on OS media is "white supremacists" attacked blah blah blah [09:36] zakame: 420KB diff? [09:36] of course [09:36] in wellington there were posters put up calling for 'white power' to rise up.. etc [09:36] more crap but it never goes anywhere here [09:37] ajmitch: yep, autotools update [09:37] ajmitch: yep, but I saw the crowds, it was whites, blacks, asians, and pacific islanders taking revenge on anyone that looked like a leb [09:37] though I suspect I could drop that [09:38] zakame: it's an awful lot for me to scroll through [09:38] waah [09:38] but its nothing for the dark motu lord ajmitch [09:40] jsgotangco: I hope you come to dunedin just so I can dunk you in the harbour :) [09:41] haha === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:47] slomo: x264 has been sent to revu. Should appear in 10 minutes [09:47] Yagisan: thanks... any changes from marillat? [09:49] slomo: just s/unstable/dapper and adding multiverse to control. probally should have made the -dev an all instead of any [09:50] Yagisan: no... any is needed === lucas [n=lucas@alabama.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:51] slomo: oh ? I'd have though headers should be arch all. Nice to know I didn't stuff up then. [09:52] Yagisan: it's not only headers but the static library and in this case also the shared one which shouldn't be in the -dev package ;) [09:53] slomo: you are quite right. That is a stuff up === maradong [n=bhentges@213.47.179.227] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:55] thanks ajmitch :D [09:55] bbl [09:55] hi all [09:59] haha [09:59] ajmitch, have you seen AsiaBusinessTour? === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:00] bbl === maradong [n=bhentges@213.47.179.227] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:03] siretart: not wanting to sound dumb, but was my upload rejected from revu ? [10:03] Yagisan: if it's not in the list, it was rejected [10:04] the most common error (everybody does it once) is that REVU uploads have to be source-only [10:04] lucas: I see, I did source + binary. /me adjusts the pbuilder config [10:06] or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -I.bzr [10:07] Yagisan: jepp, it was rejected. revu only reacts to *_source.changes files for now === minghu1 [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] Yagisan: shall I remove your upload? === minghu1 is now known as minghua_ [10:07] siretart, lucas: thanks. It's been a while since I used revu. siretart please remove, an new source only upload is on its way [10:08] Yagisan: done, you may reupload now [10:08] siretart: thanks [10:09] x264 correctly uploaded now === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] slomo_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1178 [10:13] bbl === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-87-69-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:16] jsgotangco: interesting :) [10:17] jsgotangco: I see of course there's an NZ entry, for LCA === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-48-109.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:18] well yeah i guess its logical to stay for a day or 2 for business [10:19] sure [10:20] dunno who they're going to meet & talk to :) [10:22] it'll probably be different generally in asia [10:23] certainly [10:23] dunedin is a slightly smaller place, there might be interested businesses here & a local LUG === ajmitch wonders how \sh is today [10:37] I should either file a bug on this or just fixup the merge === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-87-69-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blablablabla [n=maniac@i3ED6EEE4.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B19EF.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-205-157.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bojan is now known as bojan_away === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@c177203.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tepsipakki [n=tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-93-164.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@202.138.170.117] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buxy [n=raphael@arrakeen.ouaza.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan [n=jamessan@debian/developer/jamessan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:47] how do we deal with NMU in Ubuntu? === Fuddl [n=fuddl@faui00f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] raphink, how would you do an NMU with non personalized packages ? [12:50] there are no NMUs [12:50] ok [12:50] so we just ignore NMU warnings in lintian [12:50] its nice to talk to the guy who touched the package last though [12:50] yes [12:50] ok [12:50] :) [12:54] Well, there are sorta no MU's in universe, either. :-) [12:55] :) [01:22] ogra: do you have some time to review packages? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === moquist [n=moquist@londonderry-cuda1-68-171-194-42.lndnnh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] siretart: are you there? === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [i=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bojan_away is now known as bojan === Mirno [n=mirspcm@office.spcmnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === markuman [n=supermar@p509257D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] raphink: yepp [02:57] hi siretart [02:58] I requested membership for the reviewers team on LP [02:58] do you think I could apply? [03:02] raphink: when I'm home, (in a few hours), okay? [03:02] ok :) [03:03] bah, svenl is accusing me being too harsh and aggressive.. [03:03] I think I did it :/ === mmtb [n=mmtb@dxk98.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Danten [n=danten@h49n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mirno [n=mirspcm@office.spcmnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-85-103.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey_ki [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@alabama.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.70.0] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] evening all [04:01] hi zakame [04:02] hey lucas :) how's ruby? [04:03] probably good, since RubyOnRails 1.0 is out and ruby must be all over the news === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [04:05] yeah, i read that on planet debian as well :) [04:18] <\sh> *cough* moins === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-82-53.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Am|NickTaken [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A615E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mmtb [n=mmtb@dyg48.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imnes [n=chatzill@12-217-46-48.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:14] I've downloaded some package sources with apt-get source gnome-panel and made some code changes, what commands do I need to build / install to test it out? === Hieronymus [n=jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:14] imnes: cd into the gnome-panel-2.12.whatever dir and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc [05:15] After making changes should I bump the verison number on the directory or does it not matter? [05:15] you'd edit the debian/changelog file but it doesn't matter if you're doing local patching [05:16] if you're patching breezy it'll more or less be a patch for you only, breezy is frozen [05:17] Yeah I'd like to do an official patch for the dev releases if it hasn't already been implemented, basically I'd like to add a gconf key to toggle drawing the arrow on a panel menu button. Right now (in breezy anyway) it's hardcoded to always draw. === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable031.72-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pesco [n=pesco@r4an50.chello.upc.cz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:21] Greetings, MOTU. Is this also the right channel for packages in the multiverse? [05:21] <\sh> dholbach: ping [05:25] <\sh> dholbach: if you could have a look on istanbul...same problem as the last time..different file sizes of orig.tar.gz and seb128 touched it the last time... === lamont [n=lamont@mib.fc.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rbelem [n=rodrigo@ubuntu/member/rbelem] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:28] is it possible to package something from scratch with cdbs?? [05:29] yes [05:33] Amaranth: works great, thanks for the help. === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mmtb [n=mmtb@dyg6.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === selinium [n=selinium@82-45-118-133.stb.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:43] ok but is there any howto on how to package something from scrach with cdbs... all I get is howto about how to switch a package to cdbs... === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:44] hellow [05:44] hi [05:47] everything alright ? [05:48] JohnnyMast : what do you mean? [05:48] if ur fine [05:49] yes yes [05:49] I just don't know if there is any howto on how to package something from scrach with cdbs... all I get is howto about how to switch a package to cdbs... [05:51] you should look on debian i think [05:51] OR [05:51] thierry: you just drop the three or four well known include /usr/share/cdbs/1/foo/bar.mk lines into debian/rules and fix up anything which breaks [05:51] check the chatlogs from #ubuntu-motu-school with ajmitch giving a lecruee === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] azeem : seriously? wow! so I make the debian/rules and the control and changelog file and that's it? I try building it? [05:53] thierry: well, the difference between cdbs and non-cdbs is only in debian/rules [05:53] and a Build-Depends on cdbs, of course [05:54] yes, but it'd be good if you understood how things work without cdbs. [05:54] so just make the package like you would otherwise, and write a debian/rules for cdbs, which is trivial for easy projects [05:54] jamessan : yeah... but I got a easy project to try and it just looks so longggg without cdbs... [05:54] thierry welcome to packaging :) [05:55] :) [05:55] thierry: it is a bit longer, but then you understand how things truly work behind the curtains [05:55] the long stuff doesn't bother me... it just the long AND hard to understand that bother me [05:56] you should really try to understand them [05:57] I've learn a lot with the last course on motu-school about package without cdbs or debhelper but some stuff just looks impossible to understand... === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] \sh: dunno what debian did on that project *shrug* [05:59] when is/was the meeting ? [05:59] <\sh> dholbach: they brought in 0.1.1-1 ,) [05:59] <\sh> dholbach: and I wonder why the don't use our orig.tar.gz but a different one....or we used a different one... [05:59] \sh: i used upstream's one [05:59] oh well [06:00] <\sh> dholbach: seriously...how can we avoid this..it makes life not much easier for us :) [06:00] JohnyMast : the 10 december [06:00] \sh: we can't [06:01] thierry no not that one [06:01] the motu meeting now the motu-school [06:01] i wrote a plan op dholbach`s Open day [06:01] *on [06:01] \sh, life ? easy ? [06:01] hahahaha [06:02] <\sh> ogra: i'm refering to virtual life...this should be easier then real life :) [06:02] <\sh> but I CAN BE WRONG (tm) [06:02] :) === pesco [n=pesco@r4an50.chello.upc.cz] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:02] <\sh> oh damn....not again...fever starts again...this morning it just dropped below 38 deg C...and now...oh wow === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:03] thierry : http://www.rosiello.net/ubuntu/ [06:06] <\sh> ogra: how is suse doing? getting better? [06:06] JohnnyMast : wow... great Idea... [06:07] JohnnyMast : I think I'll post my questions there next time [06:07] well it still has to be discussed during the MOTU meeting wich i queryed for earlyr [06:08] k, but I really think it's a great idea [06:08] \sh, got a tooth pulled today ... [06:09] hopefully that helps .... [06:09] :) you can also msn me or email me if you cant find some one to help or ppl are bussy [06:09] <\sh> ogra: ugh...thank god I'm avoiding the dentist ,) [06:12] aah its the next hour [06:12] JohnnyMast : what's your msn? === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12] ravecoolr@hotmail.com [06:12] hello === JohnnyMast is afk ... eating [06:12] hello pef [06:13] JohnnyMast : just added you to my list === selinium [n=selinium@82-45-118-133.stb.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:22] JohnnyMast : How can I create a new changelog with dch? [06:23] dch -n [06:24] thierry: http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/2005/12/09/%23ubuntu-motu-school.log [06:24] thierry: bookmark that [06:26] Hieronymus : k but I know what is a changelog, I just don't know how to create one with dch [06:26] azeem : do I have the create a empty changelog file before? [06:26] oh, that [06:26] I thought you meant a new changelog entry [06:26] dunno about that, sorry [06:28] thierry.. dch is quite useless. Just edit the changelog === FireRabbit [n=FireRabb@c-67-183-18-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:31] thierry ok added [06:31] thesaltydog: what's wrong with dch? [06:31] nothing... [06:31] I said it is just easier to edit the ChangeLog [06:32] dch auto-updates the timestamp for you, and builds any necessary template you may need. I don't see how that's useless. *shrug* === selinium [n=selinium@82-45-118-133.stb.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] ok, sorry. I just prefer to do it myself. === mmtb [n=mmtb@dxn189.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:41] thierry whats you msn name ? i dont see you === eruin [n=eruin@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@d021054.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === selinium [n=selinium@82-45-118-133.stb.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DapperDrake [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eruin [n=eruin@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === selinium [n=selinium@82-45-118-133.stb.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mmtb [n=mmtb@dxu235.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:01] crimsun, slomo_, siretart, anybodyinterestedinmediastuff: meeting now? === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-18-58.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:02] dholbach: yepp [07:03] dholbach: err [07:03] dholbach: didn't we say 1900 UTC? [07:03] utc, ok ok:) [07:04] uuuh, MOTU Meeting today, too? [07:04] I must have missed the announcement :) [07:04] i didnt schedule it :) [07:06] ok, so is there a MOTU Meeting today or not? [07:06] yes [07:06] 19:00 UTC? [07:06] 20 [07:06] siretart, you announced a MOTUMeeting [07:06] ogra: no, he announced a media meeting [07:06] hmm, fridge says 19:00 UTC [07:06] in your subject line;) [07:07] dholbach, yes in his text ... [07:07] "Our next MOTU Meeting is scheduled for Saturday, 05. November, 21:40 UTC." [07:07] ROCK [07:07] come again next year [07:07] heh [07:07] ogra: did I had a typo? I only wanted to announce the MOTUMedia meeting === siretart rechecks [07:08] i think the subject said MOTUMeeting [07:08] oh darn, I wrote MOTUMeeting in the subject line [07:08] and the content MEDIAMeeting :) [07:08] or similar [07:08] so let's agree on a NEW date and time for the motumeeting [07:08] well, all members of MOTUMedia are MOTUs, so it isn't that much of difference, isn't it? ;) [07:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting is open for new points [07:08] dholbach, NEW ? [07:08] dholbach, so we need elmo approval ? [07:09] ogra: there was no time fixed officially === dholbach strangles ogra with passion [07:09] kidding here ... ignore me :) [07:09] ogra: well, sorry for the confusing subject. I should have made a note [07:09] mmmm, passion .... fruit [07:10] dholbach: do we have open points for a MOTU Meeting? [07:10] not really [07:10] i just blanked the agenda [07:10] I mean, we can discuss general motu stuff afterwards === dholbach whistles innocently [07:10] hehe [07:10] we should have a proper motu meeting [07:10] announce it 2 weeks before on our mailing list [07:11] invite people to add stuff on the agenda, ... [07:11] as always [07:11] hehe [07:11] :) [07:11] yeah, but funkier and bigger this time [07:11] greater, bigger and better [07:11] you know... :) [07:11] as always === dholbach strangles ogra with passion [07:12] as always [07:12] :) === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o dholbach] by ChanServ [07:12] GRRRRRRRR === dholbach hopes that was impressive enough ;) === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o dholbach] by dholbach [07:12] evil :) [07:13] ok, so we are not going to have a formal MOTU meeting today? [07:13] nope [07:13] ogra: don't ridicule the motu flash factor, i mean it :) [07:14] dholbach, be careful, i have pics of you .... dancing .... [07:14] ;) [07:14] post them online ;) === dholbach doesn't care [07:14] hmm, that would be a good fridge.u.c [07:14] ogra: if you take pictures from weird angles, i will always look stupid/weird :) [07:15] hehe [07:15] hmm, if you take pictures of me from any angle I will look stupid/weird ;-) [07:15] does anyone use 2.6.15 with madwifi? === ogra looks always sexy from all angles [07:16] ;) [07:16] lol [07:16] i just smell weird === LaserJock goes back to work since the MOTU Meeting was a hoax ;-) [07:20] <\sh> ogra: you don't have a abdominal influenza...so you can't smell weired [07:21] \sh, you smoke way to much to judge about that :) [07:21] \sh: still sick ay? [07:21] <\sh> siretart: will test it with flight-2 on sunday [07:21] \sh: aaah good idea === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:22] <\sh> LaserJock: yeah..well..fever goes up and down...and now it looks like something is really wrong with my stomach... [07:23] \sh: man, that is terrible. I usually get sick around Christmas, last year really bad. It always makes the holiday season nice :( [07:24] <\sh> LaserJock: after this..I think i'm "ticking" normal again....this illness was somehow overdue [07:24] I get to see my family 1 time a year and I end up throwing up the whole time [07:25] \sh: yeah, I seem to do that to. I will go for a couple years without having to much and BAM!, it hits me === kos_tom [n=thomas@humanoidz.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:31] hi [07:32] siretart: hi [07:32] siretart: i'm currently uploading gcompris 7.2 to revu. === Fuddl [n=fuddl@faui02a.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:33] kos_tom: cool! === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === cyberix [n=cyberix@hoas-fe36dd00-251.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === lllmanulll [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === felipe_ [n=felipe@142-250-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === McFergus [n=frg@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:57] hi folks === gOx [n=G-ScRiPt@41-79-28.dial.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gOx [n=G-ScRiPt@41-79-28.dial.terra.cl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:04] hi sistpoty [08:04] hi raphink [08:04] :) [08:04] would you have time to review some package of mine? [08:05] raphink: not right now, as there is motumediameeting in ubuntu-meeting... maybe later [08:05] yes I just saw that [08:05] hehe [08:12] morning all, what's up in MOTU land? [08:13] since we don't have a MOTU meeting or anything ;) [08:13] hehe === ajmitch reads the devel list & sighs === lucas [n=lucas@83.179.138.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:28] ajmitch: Linus's opinion of Gnome? [08:29] lucas: hi. [08:31] hi all & kos_tom === TMM [n=hp@80.187.150.40] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:32] sup hackers [08:33] LaserJock: yeah, pointless to try & stir that up again [08:35] ajmitch: I agree, kinda weird. === herve [n=hcauweli@ubuntu/member/herve] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:37] hello [08:42] hey herve === Jimbob_ [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:52] hi Jimbob_ welcome [08:52] Hi JohnnyMast [08:52] I'm actually jcape, just had a power hiccup === etcp_ is now known as etcp [08:54] i know you are [08:54] * Jimbob_ (i=jcape@ <-- [08:55] Ok === McFergus [n=frg@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === felipe_ [n=felipe@142-250-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [09:10] we're having a QUICK motu meeting atm [09:10] current topic: REVU === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] dholbach: sigh [09:11] ajmitch: *sigh back* === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-078-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:29] LaserJock: bookmarked, will look tonight. [09:29] thanks === magnon_ [n=co@wbnm-gw.venstre.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === magnon_ cut his hair short today [09:32] hey magnon_ :) [09:33] I feel so... free, but at the same time naked [09:33] hey :) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === magnon_ is now known as magnon === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable031.72-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh goes to bed and watches "The Interpreter" [09:40] <\sh> good night..but I think I'm coming back later this night [09:50] owwkey ?? [09:50] bzr is great.. [09:50] why am i unsubscibed from the reviewers mailing ? [09:50] updating to 0.1.5, bzr branch ../f-spot-0.1.4/debian/ === ajmitch shrugs [09:53] :/ [09:53] usually it's because of bouncing mail [09:54] hi all === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-078-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:55] JohnnyMast: don't worry... [09:55] From: motu-reviewers-bounces@tauware.de [09:55] To: universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com [09:55] it's the bug list being unsubscribed [09:57] dholbach: I just unsubscribed universe-bugs@ from motu-reviewers@tauware.de [09:58] ok [09:58] dholbach: you shouldn't get annoying mails anymore [09:58] super [10:06] I have a few merges waiting related to ruby packages [10:06] could somebody take a look at them ? I'd like to do others, but don't want to start working on them before I'm sure I'm doing everything right [10:06] slomo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Media [10:08] dholbach: thanks :) but i'll go to bed now... [10:08] gn8 everybody :) [10:08] 'night [10:09] slomo_: righto, good night :) [10:10] gn8 slomo_: [10:12] lucas: email \sh about them [10:13] he's offered to handle a bit of reviewing for the next week or so [10:13] ok I will === ajmitch decides that randomly editing apache2 & php config might be annoying, and adds them to bzr :) === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:18] ajmitch: is there a place to look at the revu2 code? [10:20] LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi [10:20] (hopefully there is a link to public svn in there) [10:20] sistpoty: thanks [10:21] LaserJock: svn is here: http://tiber.tauware.de/svn/revu2/ [10:21] good night [10:22] sistpoty: thanks again [10:22] np === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey_ki [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:26] hi Kyral [10:28] siretart: I thought that I was supposed to receive an e-mail with my password on Revu after my first upload. I still didn't receive an e-mail, while my upload is available on the Revu website. Is it the expected behaviour ? [10:30] kos_tom: try to log in [10:30] with a random pw [10:30] kos_tom: I think you need to do the password recovery on the revu site [10:30] then ask for a lost password [10:30] kos_tom: yes. revu currently doesn't send any emails at all [10:30] kos_tom: use the recover link to learn your password. use as login the email adress you put in the changes file [10:31] ok, works [10:31] thanks ! === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:33] dholbach: would you have some time to approve a small diff on a package you already advocated ? [10:33] the link is? [10:33] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1102 [10:34] hopefully the file will appear in a very short time [10:34] gree [10:34] grr slow system ;) [10:34] sure, you don'T have to ask for a new "ack" [10:34] it's ok :) [10:34] really? [10:34] I thought so [10:34] yeah [10:35] you mean if it's been aproved twice it works, even if not the same version? [10:35] sounds strange to me [10:35] ok it's up : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1102 [10:36] just moved bash executables from /usr/bin to /usr/sbin where they should be ;) [10:36] The advocate counter get's reset at each upload [10:36] yes [10:36] could anyone please have a short look at my summary to the media team meeting? [10:36] http://paste.debian.net/3236 [10:36] so it has to be advocated agagin [10:36] again [10:36] it's just, if A gives you a vote, B gives you a vote on another upload and the diff is tiny, then you don't need to run around for weeks to find another motu give an ok :) [10:37] if I havn't missed an important point, i'd like to send it as is [10:37] oh ok dholbach :) [10:37] taht's why I ask [10:37] dholbach: did you upload it already? [10:37] siretart: could you have a look at it, too? [10:37] we're maybe picky and anal, but we're not stupid :) [10:38] I know that dholbach, of course ;) [10:38] raphink: later, I'll have to write the minutes of the motu meeting now [10:38] sorry [10:38] dholbach: why would I want to become a MOTU, if I thought they were stupid people ? ;) [10:38] siretart: np [10:38] siretart: looks great [10:38] sistpoty: you had a look too? :) [10:39] dholbach: shall I include ubuntu-devel-announce, too? [10:39] dholbach: not yet... but in case you uploaded it, I would have said that it would have been kind to leave a comment [10:39] raphink: i added a smiley ;) [10:40] siretart: sure [10:40] ok [10:40] next sentence will be with future perfect *g* [10:40] dholbach: ? [10:41] siretart: looks good [10:41] sistpoty: didn't upload yet [10:41] dholbach: ok my changes are wrong [10:41] dholbach: I'll change again [10:41] LOL [10:42] raphink: ok, then I'll wait for your next upload ;) [10:42] ok won't be long sistpoty :) [10:42] sistpoty: if you want to review my package, I have about 10 waiting on REVU [10:42] s/wait/work on revu mails/ [10:43] raphink: I'll really want to have revu1 send mails as top prio atm... but once this is done, I guess I'll test that feature [10:43] ok [10:44] haha [10:44] dholbach: you'll have to advoated again [10:44] /usr/sbin doesn't look good actually ;) [10:45] dholbach available to review the changes i made in my revu after you comemnted my ttb package ? === desrt [n=desrt@dhcp-0-20-af-d2-7c-3.cpe.mountaincable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:45] JohnnyMast: i'll gladly do so, which one is it? [10:45] hey de [10:45] hey desrt [10:45] hello. :) [10:45] let me link you === dholbach hugs desrt ecstatically [10:45] dholbach; do you know who handles ghc for ubuntu? === desrt hugs back [10:46] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1182 [10:46] desrt! [10:46] desrt: did you read the ubuntu desktop news?! [10:46] magnon; 'sup? [10:46] dholbach; i did. [10:46] desrt: I cut my hair [10:46] magnon; uh oh. [10:46] desrt: ghc - sistpoty? [10:46] magnon; got pics? [10:46] it includes a patch now witch you talked about [10:46] desrt: ghc as in ghc6? [10:46] sistpoty; yes. [10:46] desrt: I did some work on it, why? [10:46] sistpoty; do you know why it builds with gcc-3.3? [10:47] magnon; interesting cuty [10:47] *cut [10:47] why did you do it? [10:47] desrt: it shouldn't... actually the one in dapper should build with gcc4 [10:47] sistpoty, dholbach : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1184 [10:47] weird. [10:47] brb. [10:47] desrt: do you mean haskell stuff built with ghc6 or buildlogs of ghc6? [10:48] hey desrt [10:49] JohnnyMast: python-dev (>=2.2) is not needed in the depends - did you have a look at the package's dependencies, after it was built? ${python:Depends} will have been substituted by the appropriate python version [10:49] JohnnyMast: i doubt you need debian/control.save in the debian/ dir ;-) [10:49] ajmitch; hello. [10:49] lol yeah [10:50] sistpoty; i mean if i look at the source package for ghc6 (in breezy, admittedly) it builds with gcc-3.3 [10:50] JohnnyMast: why the patch to setup.py? is it wrong the way it is? [10:50] magnon; so make with the info. why did you do it? :) [10:50] JohnnyMast: i didnt see the obvious breakage [10:50] desrt: six years since last it was short [10:50] desrt: the breezy package didn't work with gcc-4 yet... only a quite unstable cvs-version did, and so decision was made to go with gcc-3.3 [10:51] ahh. right [10:51] 6.4.1 wasn't out yet [10:51] i remember now :) [10:51] feels kinda good [10:51] hmm [10:51] hi [10:51] how do you mean breakage ? [10:51] little question [10:51] you tried to fix something with the patch, no? [10:51] i mean, what was broken before? [10:51] if you had to rename a file in the tarball, how would you proceed ? [10:51] sistpoty; just building 641 here and was wondering if there was something i should know about :) [10:51] a patch ? [10:51] raphink: now i understand, when i clicked on "debdiff" it just had the debhelper change, which was obviously fine with me :) [10:51] anyway, beer awaits [10:52] Tonio_: use a debdiff [10:52] bye! [10:52] magnon; cheers [10:52] dholbach yes [10:52] dholbach: okay ;) [10:52] on python-glade2 [10:52] Tonio_: you could move it in debian/rules too [10:52] dholbach: ;) [10:52] Tonio_: depends how long lasting this change will be [10:53] JohnnyMast: the patch is a bit longer, no? [10:53] JohnnyMast: on setup.py? [10:53] raphink: are you happy with the current version? i'll give it another quick glance now [10:53] yes i cut out everything that was not needed [10:53] yes I'm happy with it dholbach [10:53] everything was in control [10:53] dholbach: sorry for the sbin stuff [10:53] so i did remove the checks [10:53] desrt: have fun... will take quite some time to build it... (~6 hours on my slow system) [10:54] sistpoty; i know. i'm ghc upstream :p [10:54] desrt: ah, good to know... then I can bug you with problems :) [10:54] sistpoty; ya. definitely. [10:55] sistpoty; i only maintain powerpc/linux port but any questions with that are more than welcome [10:55] dholbach: a few kB only ;) [10:55] Tonio_: how long it will last and everything :) [10:55] if the file differs with the next upstream release, you will have to work on the patch again :) [10:55] dholbach: depends if the upstream will accept the change or not ;) [10:56] in fact there is a .sh file in /usr/bin [10:56] yeah :) [10:56] I've been told by siretart that it was crappy [10:56] ah [10:56] maybe move it [10:56] dholbach enlighten me when you find more. i fixed those two things you stated [10:56] and that causes a bug in lintian, who is unable to find the man [10:56] ready for source build but if you find more [10:57] so I'm patching the complete source and renaming the file, then package and send the patch to upstream authors [10:57] and make a pray for the patch to be added to the next version ^^ [11:00] raphink: an upload with orig.tar.gz please? :) [11:01] how come there's no orig.tar.gz ? [11:01] it's there in my folder though [11:01] debuild -S ... dput ? :) [11:01] instead of deuibld -S -sa? [11:01] hmm [11:01] hehe [11:02] learning a lot today ;) [11:02] uploaded again [11:02] waiting for it to appear [11:03] raphink: did you use dput -f ? [11:03] I always forget that [11:03] I had not used -sa in debuild [11:03] and I never use dput -f [11:03] if I'm packaging a librairing named fox, should I call the package libfox or fox? [11:03] what does it do? [11:03] librairy* [11:04] it forces dput to reupload [11:04] LaserJock: I remove the .upload usually [11:04] I guess -f is easier [11:04] either way ;-) [11:06] orig uploaded dholbach :) [11:06] rock [11:06] haha [11:07] sorry for all this [11:07] I hesitate asking you to review another package now ;) [11:07] hehe [11:07] raphink: have you been able to test briquolo ? [11:08] hmm not yet Tonio_ [11:08] okay ;) [11:08] I'll try it now [11:08] thanks ;) [11:09] and how can I find a package for this error : /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext [11:09] libxext-dev [11:09] sounds like libx11ext [11:09] or that [11:09] dholbach changes uploaded [11:12] dholbach: fine to you? === MacFergus [n=frg@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:12] both packages are not updated on the package yet, are they? [11:13] they are dholbach [11:13] mine is [11:14] JohnnyMast: i don't see the sense in most changes in the patch [11:15] I feel like uploading a new f-spot [11:15] dholbach, the problem was. The package depends on python-glade2 [11:15] but I haven't tested it at all [11:15] so its nicely added to the package [11:16] yeah and that's fine, but you change a lot of other stuff [11:16] yes correct [11:16] dholbach: you don't see it uploaded ? [11:16] and it's better to change one obvious thing per patch :) [11:16] raphink: now i see it, thanks [11:16] ok :) [11:16] there was no need for the checks since the control manages that now and upstream is aware of getting rid of unused resources [11:16] or un needed [11:16] i'm not talking about the checks [11:17] but about comments and ordering of imports [11:17] sorry to be so picky :) [11:17] the patch is not really clear about what it does [11:17] well whats the problem in that ? since the patch is a recode of what was there [11:18] you name a patch like debian/patches/01_change_glade_tests.patch [11:18] and then you do exactly this in the patch [11:18] so everybody has a full understanding of what goes on [11:18] well dholbach the reason why it fails in debuild / pbuilder is also vague :/ [11:18] ok [11:18] let me do that [11:18] more points ? [11:18] what happens, if upstream changes stuff in the next upstream release [11:19] do you want to have to change each of the tiny bits or just the relevant stuff each time? :) [11:19] that doesnt change anything [11:19] only maybe the deps [11:19] and ofcource the code [11:19] if you study the new setup.py it only installs nothing more [11:20] and yes if there are big changes that have to be done to the setup as well. i have to patch it again [11:20] let somebody else review the patch, maybe i just don't get it [11:20] sistpoty: I see you just commited r109, is this all and can I apply to /srv/revu1? [11:20] but changing comments and ordering of module imports are not necessary [11:20] keep the diff small [11:20] erm.. not all yet siretart [11:20] apart from that it looks good [11:21] -> query [11:21] raphink: i'll upload it :) [11:21] thanks dholbach [11:21] thanks, so you want me to change the name of the patch and also the content to litle changes ? === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:21] JohnnyMast: maybe you want to get other opinions on that, if you think you're right [11:21] sistpoty; do you do issue tracking for ubuntu's ghc6? [11:22] any reviewers want to review ttb on revu for a quick bit ? [11:22] dholbach: coudl you have a look at knmap (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1171) or kyamo (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1105) too ? [11:22] I can do that JohnnyMast [11:22] desrt: what do you mean with issue tracking? [11:22] raphink: not tonight, sorry - please send me a mail and i'll have a look tomorrow [11:22] sistpoty; bug reports [11:22] dholbach: sure [11:23] cool [11:23] desrt: once we get some... but currently I haven't heard of a bug report yet === desrt has a bug to report and a patch to fix it too :p [11:23] it's going into upstream and will be in 6.4.2... but it should go in ubuntu too if 6.4.2 isn't released (which it probably won't be) [11:24] desrt: that's good... you could either throw it to malone, or what would be even cooler is to get this to debian BTS (since it's basically the debian/unstable package, with a one line change) [11:24] cool. i know igloo. he's a cool guy :) [11:24] igloo? cool? he he he [11:24] hehe [11:25] anybody wanting to add comments to revu... be aware that it might break :) [11:26] sistpoty: what do you mean? [11:26] it's reaching the maximum comments limit ? [11:27] ;) [11:27] JohnnyMast: can you give me the link pls? [11:27] raphink: as in "first commit that enables mail on comments (which is totally untested) [11:27] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1189 [11:27] oh great sistpoty :) [11:27] looking forward to this [11:28] ooo [11:28] python [11:29] sistpoty: you have it mailing out yet? [11:29] ajmitch: it should, I'll test now === McFergus [n=frg@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] what do I do if the .changes of a package doesn't exist on the server ? ;) [11:29] hehe [11:29] well, it doesn't exactly mail yet. but gives funny messages [11:29] on REVU I mean [11:30] ;) [11:30] it'll be hard to review [11:30] raphink: the .changes are for uploading only [11:30] sistpoty: I use it with dpkg-source -x [11:30] raphink: a sourcepackage consists of dsc, which defines what other files belong to it [11:30] unless I don't need it [11:31] oh no I need diff actually [11:31] but it's not there [11:31] raphink: dpkg-source -x foobar.dsc will work as well [11:31] no it's missing orig [11:31] that's why [11:31] hehe [11:31] I'm a bit tired and used to getting the 3 first files in the list [11:31] lol [11:31] JohnnyMast: you miss the orig.tar.gz [11:31] JohnnyMast: did you run debuild -S -sa ? [11:32] raphink ?? kidding ? [11:32] nope I'm not kidding [11:32] hold on [11:32] holy cow [11:33] no === dholbach loves the holy cow :) [11:33] lol [11:33] dpkg -buildpackage -S -sa -k [11:33] mhm [11:35] ok, revu comments are fixed [11:35] raphink fix uploaded [11:35] ok [11:35] let's wait [11:35] ;) [11:37] yep === JohnnyMast hands raphink a drink coffee while waiting [11:37] thank you JohnnyMast [11:37] :) [11:39] sistpoty: [11:39] To: motu-reviewers@tauware.de [11:39] From: www-data [11:39] please change the from address ;) [11:39] ah. hm === dsas [n=dean@host86-143-88-239.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:39] ajmitch: we are using /usr/bin/mail for sending emails [11:39] siretart: yep [11:39] ajmitch: I need to change some details first... seems like I got sql wrong [11:40] and I don't know why you are doing so [11:40] when python has some nice simple smtplib [11:40] raphink http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1190 [11:40] yeah saw it [11:41] ajmitch: because it's a nasty little hack ;) [11:41] i kept on pressing F5 :p [11:41] hehe [11:41] I guessed that :) === womble [n=mpalmer@220-245-224-46.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:42] before I review it JohnnyMast you'll have to explain me why you switched from 0ubuntu1 to 1ubuntu1 ? [11:42] ;) [11:43] because i was stupid and uploaded 1ubuntu1 [11:43] grr [11:43] hehe [11:43] ok I'll review it this way [11:43] no [11:43] its no update [11:43] please revert to 0ubuntu1 and I'll check the diff [11:43] more a downgrade [11:43] huh? [11:44] 1ubuntu1 is verry old beside the versoning is wrong [11:44] very old ?? [11:44] but i still had that changes file until ajmitch told to change to 0ubuntu1 [11:44] ^^ [11:44] you mean you just sent an old version of the package ? ;) [11:44] oh ic [11:44] yes [11:44] well I'll wait again then [11:45] sorry [11:45] cd ttb && rm -rf ./* [11:45] while{no new version of ttb on REVU} do wait; done [11:45] ;) [11:46] is it me or LP changed ? [11:47] LP ? [11:47] launchpad [11:47] mine ? [11:47] why ? [11:47] ew misread [11:47] no I said that LP has changed [11:47] it doesn't look the same [11:47] nm [11:48] yeah its changed [11:48] since a few days this is the new look [11:48] the boxes you mean ? [11:48] yes [11:49] uhu [11:49] i dont get what changed [11:49] then new upload [11:49] has also no orig.tar.gz [11:49] huhu [11:50] :) [11:52] i dont see why [11:52] rave@ubuntu:~/ttb-0.9.4/ttb-0.9.4$ sudo dpkg-buildpackage -S -as -k84A62F8D [11:53] sa [11:53] in the end [11:53] dpkg-buildpackage: source only, diff-only upload (original source NOT included [11:53] ajmitch: I think I got it now [11:53] not as [11:53] oooh [11:53] -sa [11:53] ajmitch: I added the -f option to the sendmail call [11:53] siretart: great [11:53] now I have to tweak procmail [11:53] bingo ! [11:53] dpkg-buildpackage: source only upload (original source is included) [11:53] ajmitch: which email should I set? [11:53] heh ;) [11:54] I don't feel comfortable in putting my own email there ;) [11:54] uploaded ... [11:54] siretart: an alias on tiber, maybe revu@ [11:54] or just the motu-reviewers list [11:55] ajmitch: I hope that won't confuse mailman, but I'll try [11:55] it shouldn't [11:55] raphink: just ignore my comment on konq-kim [11:55] sistpoty: what do you mean? [11:55] raphink: I just test-commented once more [11:56] yes probably spam [11:56] got it [11:56] its complete now raphink [11:56] too bad, I would ahve liked it if you had advocated though sistpoty ;) [11:56] JohnnyMast: ok I'll have a look [11:56] complete and up-to-date ? ;) [11:56] raphink: I'll test advocate later ;) [11:56] hehe ok [11:56] ajmitch: http://tauware.de/pipermail/motu-reviewers/2005-December/000098.html this one looks even nicer :) [11:57] siretart: looks good [11:57] raphink yes [11:57] sistpoty: when emails are sent, there could be nice messages when packages are approved [11:57] like [11:57] `Congratulations, your package was approved! Thanks for your contribution' [11:58] that'll boost packagers ;) [11:58] hehe [11:58] yes it will, good idea raphink [11:58] sistpoty: are you still editing scripts/Comments.py? [11:58] hm... maybe for revu2 ;) [11:58] or can I commit? [11:58] siretart: no [11:58] siretart: it looks good now... you can commit [11:59] siretart: they appear to come from your address now, or did you change it since? [11:59] ajmitch: http://tauware.de/pipermail/motu-reviewers/2005-December/000098.html [11:59] hm... I could take a look at smtplib. if it's easy I'll change it [12:00] that mail seems to come from the mailing list itself. the 2 former tests looked like they came from me [12:00] yep [12:00] ok, I'll bbl [12:00] ajmitch: if you want to hack, have a look at /src/revu1/scripts/Comments.py [12:00] ;) [12:00] good work on revu :) [12:00] siretart: maybe later, I have to head out now [12:00] ajmitch: have fun! [12:00] and good work to sistpoty! === McFergus [n=frg@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] thx [12:01] had actually to adapt the exim config to make www-data 'trusted'.. oh well [12:01] siretart: smtplib is too easy... [12:01] yeah? [12:02] siretart: yes... I'll do a quick fix [12:02] siretart: does it allow to set the -f flag to sendmail and specify the envelope from?