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troygustavor: literally, the only difference is which apps are on the install disk -- once it's installed, it's a normal ubuntu system12:40
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uidhello12:51
uidanyone here?12:51
troyI'm here01:35
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Kuyaedzcan someone point me to some docs/wiki on using a ubuntu-server as the central machine for a windows home LAN?02:27
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Nafallotroy: agreed02:38
Nafallobut then, that depends what the central server should have done :-P02:38
troyprobably file and print, I'm assuming02:38
Nafallocould aswell have been routing involved aswell :-)02:39
Nafallohmm02:39
Nafalloscratch one "aswell" ;-)02:39
troy:)02:39
troyI hate doing routing on multi-nic machines - maybe it's better in modern kernels, but it used to stink02:41
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NafalloI do that. 2 nics :-).02:43
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shtylmancan anyone here give any advice on how to set up a homeserver...I have ubuntu on the server already and am looking to buy two more harddrives and put them in raid 104:02
shtylmanthen question is what should I do with the hd that I have in the server right now?04:02
shtylmancan I just run the server from that hd and create symbolic links to the raid storage drives04:02
shtylmanwould that be a viable alternative04:02
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nictukuhi. Official support of DB2 was a great step. any other big RDBMS support coming? =] 04:05
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fabbionehi everybody06:00
ajmitchhi fabbione06:02
fabbionehmm lot LP requests..06:06
fabbionewill process them this evening or tomorrow06:06
fabbionei am out for a talk all day06:06
polvihey, i heard rumors that ubuntu was working on a rhn equivent product... anyone heard of this?06:07
fabbionepolvi: i think you heard wrong06:07
polviequivalent*06:07
polvifabbione: ah ok06:08
polvithats too bad - there really is no good host management app06:10
fabbionepolvi: hold on.. by RHN i understood the pay service they offer for security06:10
fabbioneand upgrades06:10
fabbioneif you mean just the "applet" to do upgrades06:10
fabbionethere is already06:11
polviyeah, upgrades and security... but they also do stuff like deploying configs06:11
polviand a place to add information about the hosts06:11
fabbionewe have all of that already06:11
fabbioneinfo on the host is hwdb.ubuntu.com06:11
fabbioneupdates and security is there06:11
fabbioneif you need to clone machines there is the equivalent of their kickstart for Ubuntu06:12
polvihmm, like, a place where I can look at my entire infrastructure from the web, see which ones are not updated -- what updates are needed -- deploy updates if need be06:13
fabbionenot at that level.. no06:13
fabbioneit's a good suggestion but not just -server related06:13
fabbionethat's more global ubuntu06:13
polvihmm06:13
fabbioneyou should consider posting the idea to ubuntu-devel mailing list06:13
polvii would imagine this as an app someone would install within their infrastructure06:14
fabbionewrite down these ideas on the wiki06:14
polviwhich?06:14
fabbioneand add them as specs in launchpad06:14
fabbionewiki.ubuntu.com06:14
fabbionecreate a brand new spec06:14
fabbionepost the link to ubuntu-devel06:15
polviok06:15
fabbioneand seek for consensum06:15
fabbionethat's the best way to get involved and push your ideas06:15
polviconsensum, should I use that word :P06:15
polvi?06:15
fabbioneit might work, it might not06:15
fabbionesure, if you want06:15
polviheh06:15
polvithanks for the pointer06:15
polvifabbione: do you work for ubuntu?06:15
fabbioneno problem06:15
fabbioneyes06:15
polvihow many -server folks are there?06:15
fabbioneme and another guy06:16
polvisweet06:16
fabbioneplus other random people that do other bits06:16
fabbionelike the kernel and so on06:16
polvido you physically work together? or is it all remote?06:16
fabbioneall remote06:16
polvicool06:17
polvii think this -server stuff is great06:17
polvii really hope it is all successful06:17
polviby register a new spec, does that mean create a new project?06:19
fabbioneno06:19
fabbioneit means creating a new spec :)06:19
polviah, finally found the line!06:22
polvihad to go ubuntu -> spec06:22
polviany particular place in the wiki?06:24
fabbionepolvi: not really.. just give it a sensible name :)06:24
polviwiki.u.c/Blah ?06:24
fabbioneyeah06:25
ajmitchand you can probably use SpecTemplate when creating the page06:25
polviyou guys are good06:28
polvilike a tag team06:28
polvi:D06:28
polviok, i will do this once i get back to the hotel06:31
polvithanks for holding my hand finding the pages06:31
polvi:P06:31
fabbioneno problem :)06:33
fabbioneyou are welcome06:33
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polvifabbione: still there?08:16
fabbioneyes08:16
polvii would like a little feedback before i ship this off to ubuntu-devel: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/serverland08:17
polvi(if you have time)08:17
fabbionei don't now.. i will look at them tomorrow08:17
polviok08:17
fabbionei am flying out to another city in 20 minutes or so08:17
polvino problem08:17
fabbioneyou can still ask feedback on -devel08:18
fabbionedon't be afraid of that08:18
polviah ok08:18
=== polvi tough'ns up
fabbioneremember that you might not be the only one with these requests08:20
fabbioneand asking more people for review will improve the use cases and details on the implementation08:20
fabbioneyou might have missed a detail or a corner case and so on08:20
polviyeah08:20
polvii hope so08:20
fabbionewhen we write specs, it's always a bunch of people that discuss and write08:21
fabbionenever one alone..08:21
fabbionealso-- you might want to start CC ubuntu-server mailing list08:22
fabbionesince we have one :)08:22
polvistart CC?08:22
polviCC it when I send the email to -devel?08:23
fabbioneCC = CarbonCopy :)08:23
fabbioneyeps08:23
fabbioneit will drag attention to the new mailing list08:23
polviyeah, i know CC, just thought you meant subscribe to it or something08:23
fabbioneand we will move there afterall since the spec is -server related08:23
fabbionewell you need to be subscribed to post08:24
fabbioneor wait for me to approve the message08:24
polvifine fine08:24
polvii will subscribe08:24
polvi:D08:24
fabbioneboth ways work for me :)08:24
fabbioneit will just take longer08:24
polviok, subscribed to both08:25
polvilets see how this goes...08:25
fabbioneok.. i am taking off08:25
fabbionelater08:25
polvibye, have a safe flight08:25
fabbionethanks, but i will have to rely on $cheapcompany pilots :)08:25
polviheh08:25
fabbionemy flight licence is expired :/08:26
polvibust08:26
polvisounds like you need to get away from the computer more :)08:26
fabbionei have a wife out of this room.. it doesn't help .. really08:26
fabbione;)08:26
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Pygihi hi09:34
Pygihehe, vijest je stavljena09:35
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Pygiah, we got a new member?10:20
ajmitchhm?10:22
ajmitchah, I was added10:23
Pyginew member in ubuntu server, team :)10:23
Pygiwelcome to the team :)10:23
ajmitchprobably because they know me :)10:23
Pygihehe10:23
Pygithere are a lot people on the waiting list :P10:24
ajmitchyes, but I went to some of the server BOFs at UBZ10:24
Pygihehe, I didn't say nothing because you were accepted into team ;) I am glad you are ;)10:25
Pygijust saying a lot of people wanna join us ;)10:25
ajmitchwhich is good10:26
Pygiyup10:26
Pyginow all we need to do is make the ubuntu server the best server platform ever ;)10:27
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Zambba I've installed the minimal install of Ubuntu. Now I've heard about the Ubuntu Server which has "server-orientated kernel".04:51
ZambbaHow can I install that kernel-image to my home server and what benefit do I get if i do so?04:51
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spikeZambba: I dont see any benefit atm05:17
spikeZambba: the real benefits will come once dapper (the next ubuntu version) is out05:19
spikeZambba: see the specs on the link in topic05:19
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gentoomeI'm tryin to inst buntu on an old laptop but I only got 32mb ram07:33
Nafallogood luck, since it needs at least 64MB for the server :-P.07:35
Nafallo128MB for the desktop.07:35
gentoomeoh07:35
Nafalloatleast my official cd-covers says so :-)07:35
gentoometheres no boot parameter i can use?07:36
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Nafalloserver, needs 64MB07:36
gentoomedamn07:36
gentoomei need a small OS that uses gnome07:43
gentoomeany suggestions?07:43
Nafallowell, since server needs 64, and the diffrence between server and desktop is gnome, I'm lead to belive there is a reason you need atleast 128MB named gnome :-P.07:45
Nafalloyou might want to try xubuntu with XFCE4. and the correct channel for those questions are probably #ubuntu :-).07:46
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gentoomeok thanks07:47
Nafallonp07:47
Pygiplease tell me what kernel is ;)07:48
Pygior what is Linux?07:48
Pygithank you ;)07:48
Pygihehe ;)07:48
Nafallo?07:48
Pygihehe, why the question mark?07:49
Nafallocause I don't understand what you mean ;-)07:49
Pygiah, I asked you to explain me what is "Kernel" and what is "Linux" ;)07:50
gentoomeouch07:51
Nafallomaybe you should try #ubuntu with that question?07:52
Nafallo:-)07:52
gentoomelol ouch again07:52
gentoomegoogle might help more07:52
Pygihehe, I was just joking ;)07:53
gentoomeoh ok07:53
gentoomescary07:53
Pygihehe ;)07:53
NafalloI know :-)07:53
PygiNafallo: I know you know :P07:53
Nafalloah, I think we got a loop on our hands :-P07:54
Pygiheh07:54
Pygiwhat kind of loop? ;)07:54
Nafalloehm, a knew-loop? :-)07:55
Pygiheh07:55
Pygiwill do :)07:55
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Pygiwelcome henrique07:55
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Zambbaspike: OK thanks08:16
spikebtw, what about the current devel version?08:16
spikedevel link in topic doest work08:16
spikehttp://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/ correctly serves dapper alpha2, tho08:17
ajmitchmorning08:24
ajmitchspike: try cdimage rather than cdimages08:25
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spikeahahah08:26
spiketoo lame :)08:26
spiketnx08:26
spikeI didnt really notice it, and I also got dapper flight-2 ...08:27
spikebah08:27
Pygihello ajmitch08:28
fabbionehi guys08:29
fabbioneajmitch: topic diff?08:30
Pygihi fabbione08:30
fabbioneshawarma: i managed to get the beer on board.. thanks :)08:30
ajmitchfabbione: cdimages->cdimage08:32
fabbioneoh right08:32
fabbionethanks08:33
Pygihehe etcp ;)08:55
shtylmanwould it be safe to use dapper drake flight 2 as a server os08:57
shtylmanfor the house?08:57
shtylmantemporarily08:57
shtylmanor should I stick with 5.1008:57
Pygifor house?08:57
Pygiyup08:57
Pygibut not for any system-critical jobs08:57
shtylmanyea..I just want to set up a raided server at my house08:57
shtylmanfor like some backups08:57
shtylmanand test base for websites08:57
Pygiheh, important backups?08:58
fabbionehmm no08:58
fabbionei wouldn't do that08:58
fabbionedapper is truely unstable08:58
shtylmani c08:58
shtylmanwell thats solves it08:58
shtylmanill stick to 5.1008:58
Pygihe,look, fabbione awakened ;)08:58
fabbionei am not awake :)08:59
Pygireally? O, sorry then, I am halucinating ;08:59
Pygi;)08:59
fabbionePygi: it's 9pm here :)09:00
Pygifabbione: same here :)09:00
shawarmafabbione: Excellent!09:03
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