[12:40] <troy> gustavor: literally, the only difference is which apps are on the install disk -- once it's installed, it's a normal ubuntu system
[12:51] <uid> hello
[12:51] <uid> anyone here?
[01:35] <troy> I'm here
[02:27] <Kuyaedz> can someone point me to some docs/wiki on using a ubuntu-server as the central machine for a windows home LAN?
[02:38] <Nafallo> troy: agreed
[02:38] <Nafallo> but then, that depends what the central server should have done :-P
[02:38] <troy> probably file and print, I'm assuming
[02:39] <Nafallo> could aswell have been routing involved aswell :-)
[02:39] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:39] <Nafallo> scratch one "aswell" ;-)
[02:39] <troy> :)
[02:41] <troy> I hate doing routing on multi-nic machines - maybe it's better in modern kernels, but it used to stink
[02:43] <Nafallo> I do that. 2 nics :-).
[04:02] <shtylman> can anyone here give any advice on how to set up a homeserver...I have ubuntu on the server already and am looking to buy two more harddrives and put them in raid 1
[04:02] <shtylman> then question is what should I do with the hd that I have in the server right now?
[04:02] <shtylman> can I just run the server from that hd and create symbolic links to the raid storage drives
[04:02] <shtylman> would that be a viable alternative
[04:05] <nictuku> hi. Official support of DB2 was a great step. any other big RDBMS support coming? =] 
[06:00] <fabbione> hi everybody
[06:02] <ajmitch> hi fabbione
[06:06] <fabbione> hmm lot LP requests..
[06:06] <fabbione> will process them this evening or tomorrow
[06:06] <fabbione> i am out for a talk all day
[06:07] <polvi> hey, i heard rumors that ubuntu was working on a rhn equivent product... anyone heard of this?
[06:07] <fabbione> polvi: i think you heard wrong
[06:07] <polvi> equivalent*
[06:08] <polvi> fabbione: ah ok
[06:10] <polvi> thats too bad - there really is no good host management app
[06:10] <fabbione> polvi: hold on.. by RHN i understood the pay service they offer for security
[06:10] <fabbione> and upgrades
[06:10] <fabbione> if you mean just the "applet" to do upgrades
[06:11] <fabbione> there is already
[06:11] <polvi> yeah, upgrades and security... but they also do stuff like deploying configs
[06:11] <polvi> and a place to add information about the hosts
[06:11] <fabbione> we have all of that already
[06:11] <fabbione> info on the host is hwdb.ubuntu.com
[06:11] <fabbione> updates and security is there
[06:12] <fabbione> if you need to clone machines there is the equivalent of their kickstart for Ubuntu
[06:13] <polvi> hmm, like, a place where I can look at my entire infrastructure from the web, see which ones are not updated -- what updates are needed -- deploy updates if need be
[06:13] <fabbione> not at that level.. no
[06:13] <fabbione> it's a good suggestion but not just -server related
[06:13] <fabbione> that's more global ubuntu
[06:13] <polvi> hmm
[06:13] <fabbione> you should consider posting the idea to ubuntu-devel mailing list
[06:14] <polvi> i would imagine this as an app someone would install within their infrastructure
[06:14] <fabbione> write down these ideas on the wiki
[06:14] <polvi> which?
[06:14] <fabbione> and add them as specs in launchpad
[06:14] <fabbione> wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:14] <fabbione> create a brand new spec
[06:15] <fabbione> post the link to ubuntu-devel
[06:15] <polvi> ok
[06:15] <fabbione> and seek for consensum
[06:15] <fabbione> that's the best way to get involved and push your ideas
[06:15] <polvi> consensum, should I use that word :P
[06:15] <polvi> ?
[06:15] <fabbione> it might work, it might not
[06:15] <fabbione> sure, if you want
[06:15] <polvi> heh
[06:15] <polvi> thanks for the pointer
[06:15] <polvi> fabbione: do you work for ubuntu?
[06:15] <fabbione> no problem
[06:15] <fabbione> yes
[06:15] <polvi> how many -server folks are there?
[06:16] <fabbione> me and another guy
[06:16] <polvi> sweet
[06:16] <fabbione> plus other random people that do other bits
[06:16] <fabbione> like the kernel and so on
[06:16] <polvi> do you physically work together? or is it all remote?
[06:16] <fabbione> all remote
[06:17] <polvi> cool
[06:17] <polvi> i think this -server stuff is great
[06:17] <polvi> i really hope it is all successful
[06:19] <polvi> by register a new spec, does that mean create a new project?
[06:19] <fabbione> no
[06:19] <fabbione> it means creating a new spec :)
[06:22] <polvi> ah, finally found the line!
[06:22] <polvi> had to go ubuntu -> spec
[06:24] <polvi> any particular place in the wiki?
[06:24] <fabbione> polvi: not really.. just give it a sensible name :)
[06:24] <polvi> wiki.u.c/Blah ?
[06:25] <fabbione> yeah
[06:25] <ajmitch> and you can probably use SpecTemplate when creating the page
[06:28] <polvi> you guys are good
[06:28] <polvi> like a tag team
[06:28] <polvi> :D
[06:31] <polvi> ok, i will do this once i get back to the hotel
[06:31] <polvi> thanks for holding my hand finding the pages
[06:31] <polvi> :P
[06:33] <fabbione> no problem :)
[06:33] <fabbione> you are welcome
[08:16] <polvi> fabbione: still there?
[08:16] <fabbione> yes
[08:17] <polvi> i would like a little feedback before i ship this off to ubuntu-devel: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/serverland
[08:17] <polvi> (if you have time)
[08:17] <fabbione> i don't now.. i will look at them tomorrow
[08:17] <polvi> ok
[08:17] <fabbione> i am flying out to another city in 20 minutes or so
[08:17] <polvi> no problem
[08:18] <fabbione> you can still ask feedback on -devel
[08:18] <fabbione> don't be afraid of that
[08:18] <polvi> ah ok
[08:20] <fabbione> remember that you might not be the only one with these requests
[08:20] <fabbione> and asking more people for review will improve the use cases and details on the implementation
[08:20] <fabbione> you might have missed a detail or a corner case and so on
[08:20] <polvi> yeah
[08:20] <polvi> i hope so
[08:21] <fabbione> when we write specs, it's always a bunch of people that discuss and write
[08:21] <fabbione> never one alone..
[08:22] <fabbione> also-- you might want to start CC ubuntu-server mailing list
[08:22] <fabbione> since we have one :)
[08:22] <polvi> start CC?
[08:23] <polvi> CC it when I send the email to -devel?
[08:23] <fabbione> CC = CarbonCopy :)
[08:23] <fabbione> yeps
[08:23] <fabbione> it will drag attention to the new mailing list
[08:23] <polvi> yeah, i know CC, just thought you meant subscribe to it or something
[08:23] <fabbione> and we will move there afterall since the spec is -server related
[08:24] <fabbione> well you need to be subscribed to post
[08:24] <fabbione> or wait for me to approve the message
[08:24] <polvi> fine fine
[08:24] <polvi> i will subscribe
[08:24] <polvi> :D
[08:24] <fabbione> both ways work for me :)
[08:24] <fabbione> it will just take longer
[08:25] <polvi> ok, subscribed to both
[08:25] <polvi> lets see how this goes...
[08:25] <fabbione> ok.. i am taking off
[08:25] <fabbione> later
[08:25] <polvi> bye, have a safe flight
[08:25] <fabbione> thanks, but i will have to rely on $cheapcompany pilots :)
[08:25] <polvi> heh
[08:26] <fabbione> my flight licence is expired :/
[08:26] <polvi> bust
[08:26] <polvi> sounds like you need to get away from the computer more :)
[08:26] <fabbione> i have a wife out of this room.. it doesn't help .. really
[08:26] <fabbione> ;)
[09:34] <Pygi> hi hi
[09:35] <Pygi> hehe, vijest je stavljena
[10:20] <Pygi> ah, we got a new member?
[10:22] <ajmitch> hm?
[10:23] <ajmitch> ah, I was added
[10:23] <Pygi> new member in ubuntu server, team :)
[10:23] <Pygi> welcome to the team :)
[10:23] <ajmitch> probably because they know me :)
[10:23] <Pygi> hehe
[10:24] <Pygi> there are a lot people on the waiting list :P
[10:24] <ajmitch> yes, but I went to some of the server BOFs at UBZ
[10:25] <Pygi> hehe, I didn't say nothing because you were accepted into team ;) I am glad you are ;)
[10:25] <Pygi> just saying a lot of people wanna join us ;)
[10:26] <ajmitch> which is good
[10:26] <Pygi> yup
[10:27] <Pygi> now all we need to do is make the ubuntu server the best server platform ever ;)
[04:51] <Zambba>  I've installed the minimal install of Ubuntu. Now I've heard about the Ubuntu Server which has "server-orientated kernel".
[04:51] <Zambba> How can I install that kernel-image to my home server and what benefit do I get if i do so?
[05:17] <spike> Zambba: I dont see any benefit atm
[05:19] <spike> Zambba: the real benefits will come once dapper (the next ubuntu version) is out
[05:19] <spike> Zambba: see the specs on the link in topic
[07:33] <gentoome> I'm tryin to inst buntu on an old laptop but I only got 32mb ram
[07:35] <Nafallo> good luck, since it needs at least 64MB for the server :-P.
[07:35] <Nafallo> 128MB for the desktop.
[07:35] <gentoome> oh
[07:35] <Nafallo> atleast my official cd-covers says so :-)
[07:36] <gentoome> theres no boot parameter i can use?
[07:36] <Nafallo> server, needs 64MB
[07:36] <gentoome> damn
[07:43] <gentoome> i need a small OS that uses gnome
[07:43] <gentoome> any suggestions?
[07:45] <Nafallo> well, since server needs 64, and the diffrence between server and desktop is gnome, I'm lead to belive there is a reason you need atleast 128MB named gnome :-P.
[07:46] <Nafallo> you might want to try xubuntu with XFCE4. and the correct channel for those questions are probably #ubuntu :-).
[07:47] <gentoome> ok thanks
[07:47] <Nafallo> np
[07:48] <Pygi> please tell me what kernel is ;)
[07:48] <Pygi> or what is Linux?
[07:48] <Pygi> thank you ;)
[07:48] <Pygi> hehe ;)
[07:48] <Nafallo> ?
[07:49] <Pygi> hehe, why the question mark?
[07:49] <Nafallo> cause I don't understand what you mean ;-)
[07:50] <Pygi> ah, I asked you to explain me what is "Kernel" and what is "Linux" ;)
[07:51] <gentoome> ouch
[07:52] <Nafallo> maybe you should try #ubuntu with that question?
[07:52] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:52] <gentoome> lol ouch again
[07:52] <gentoome> google might help more
[07:53] <Pygi> hehe, I was just joking ;)
[07:53] <gentoome> oh ok
[07:53] <gentoome> scary
[07:53] <Pygi> hehe ;)
[07:53] <Nafallo> I know :-)
[07:53] <Pygi> Nafallo: I know you know :P
[07:54] <Nafallo> ah, I think we got a loop on our hands :-P
[07:54] <Pygi> heh
[07:54] <Pygi> what kind of loop? ;)
[07:55] <Nafallo> ehm, a knew-loop? :-)
[07:55] <Pygi> heh
[07:55] <Pygi> will do :)
[07:55] <Pygi> welcome henrique
[08:16] <Zambba> spike: OK thanks
[08:16] <spike> btw, what about the current devel version?
[08:16] <spike> devel link in topic doest work
[08:17] <spike> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/ correctly serves dapper alpha2, tho
[08:24] <ajmitch> morning
[08:25] <ajmitch> spike: try cdimage rather than cdimages
[08:26] <spike> ahahah
[08:26] <spike> too lame :)
[08:26] <spike> tnx
[08:27] <spike> I didnt really notice it, and I also got dapper flight-2 ...
[08:27] <spike> bah
[08:28] <Pygi> hello ajmitch
[08:29] <fabbione> hi guys
[08:30] <fabbione> ajmitch: topic diff?
[08:30] <Pygi> hi fabbione
[08:30] <fabbione> shawarma: i managed to get the beer on board.. thanks :)
[08:32] <ajmitch> fabbione: cdimages->cdimage
[08:32] <fabbione> oh right
[08:33] <fabbione> thanks
[08:55] <Pygi> hehe etcp ;)
[08:57] <shtylman> would it be safe to use dapper drake flight 2 as a server os
[08:57] <shtylman> for the house?
[08:57] <shtylman> temporarily
[08:57] <shtylman> or should I stick with 5.10
[08:57] <Pygi> for house?
[08:57] <Pygi> yup
[08:57] <Pygi> but not for any system-critical jobs
[08:57] <shtylman> yea..I just want to set up a raided server at my house
[08:57] <shtylman> for like some backups
[08:57] <shtylman> and test base for websites
[08:58] <Pygi> heh, important backups?
[08:58] <fabbione> hmm no
[08:58] <fabbione> i wouldn't do that
[08:58] <fabbione> dapper is truely unstable
[08:58] <shtylman> i c
[08:58] <shtylman> well thats solves it
[08:58] <shtylman> ill stick to 5.10
[08:58] <Pygi> he,look, fabbione awakened ;)
[08:59] <fabbione> i am not awake :)
[08:59] <Pygi> really? O, sorry then, I am halucinating ;
[08:59] <Pygi> ;)
[09:00] <fabbione> Pygi: it's 9pm here :)
[09:00] <Pygi> fabbione: same here :)
[09:03] <shawarma> fabbione: Excellent!