[12:07] Anyone have a moment? [12:07] yup, me fitzwillie [12:07] Ahh, thanks mhz... so, I'm trying to install Edu for the first time... [12:08] And I am having trouble - so I need to ask some basic (perhapsdumb) questions) [12:09] first, is it the entire .iso file (as a single file) that I should burn to a cd? And that should be self-booting when I boot my target machine? [12:09] (assuming I have fiddled my bios correctly, or used a boot manager) [12:10] fitzwillie: yes it is [12:11] fitzwillie: do you have ubuntu already installed ? [12:12] No, it's an somewhat older x86 machine - I already formatted the hd to bee a bootable linux partition (using DSL booted from floppy & CDR) [12:13] but I can't get the iso cdrom to boot, either naturally, or usign a boot manager from a floppy. [12:13] fitzwillie: you won't need that, just download edubuntucd and burn it [12:13] fitzwillie: is a winxp install disk booting ? [12:13] fitzwillie: or some other bootable disc? [12:14] for e.g. of other linux distribution or norton rescue disk or windows ...? [12:14] I've been able to boot using DSL (damn small linux) and another CD I made bootable. [12:14] so it is the problem of the edubuntu iso [12:14] I wonder how easy it is to damage the .iso when burning (I noted the warning about exceeding 8x speeds) [12:14] that could be a problem [12:15] did you check the md5sum? [12:15] no I didn;t... not clear on that procedure. [12:15] fitzwillie: try to burn it again if you have enough cd-r :D [12:16] heh, yeah, plenty of them ;) Okay,I'll try that... perhaps at a nice slor 2x or 4x write speed. [12:17] fitzwillie: I had problems during download, I would also try to download it again [12:17] :D [12:17] if 2nd burned cd fails [12:17] Will do. I was just worried I was missing something from a technical perspective, but it sounds like I was doing things correctly. [12:18] I'm a moderate newbie to linux, so this is an adventure. [12:18] edubuntu is quite amazing :D [12:18] it is extremly easy and good configured [12:18] It sounds like it - I really want to get it working for my boys. [12:19] fitzwillie: ah, how old are they? [12:19] 5 & 7 [12:19] I am actually almost in the age I could still use it :D [12:19] that's good for them [12:20] I need to give them something other than the XBox to play with ;) [12:20] xbox is quite powerful one could even run edubuntu on it :D [12:20] especially the new xbox360 [12:20] LOL, yeah, I've heard you could do that... I don't think I'm going to go quite that far, though ;) [12:21] I did get Damn Small Linux running on an old laptop with 32mb ram, though [12:21] 500$ for a pc better than my normal workstation :D [12:21] haven't had a chance to try it with a wireless card yet, though. [12:21] uh [12:22] you don't want to try it :D [12:22] it isn't that easy [12:22] chance that you have the correct card is less than 0.8 % [12:22] maybe this is not correct, let's say > 5 % [12:23] Well, it's less of a priority than the Edubuntu right now anyway... [12:24] Anyway, I appreciate your help... I'll give it a go again tonight. Wish me luck! [12:24] tonight?, where are you from? [12:24] I will go to bed now :D [12:25] it's already 01:00 :D [12:25] California - pacific time - only 3:25 in the afternoon. [12:25] Thursday [12:25] ah [12:25] california [12:25] my second home [12:26] Let's see, ten hours ahead puts you in Europe? [12:26] yes [12:26] Zurich, Switzerland [12:27] Very nice! [12:27] where do you live? [12:27] Silicon Valey? [12:28] Yeah, near San Jose. [12:28] lucasvo, we should found a german edubuntu channel ;) [12:29] maybe I will move to san francisco next summer and live there for a year at my aunts house [12:29] juliux: why not [12:29] juliux: join #edubuntu-de [12:30] lucasvo, because we have many people on fairs who are interesset in edubuntu [12:30] lucasvo: it's a lovely place to live - very urban. Probably almost as chilly as Zurich when the fog comes in, too ;) [12:32] fitzwillie: I was there in autumn [12:32] it is indeed very similar [12:32] juliux: I don't understand you, fair? [12:32] lucasvo, what you dont understand? [12:33] Anyway, I'm off - many thanks. I'll report back if I'm lucky. [12:33] juliux: have many people on fairs who are interesset in edubuntu [12:33] lucasvo, ah [12:33] lucasvo, we have in germany many people who want to know more about edubuntu [12:34] aha [12:34] lucasvo, i present *ubuntu on fairs in germany [12:34] fairs? [12:34] messen [12:34] aha [12:34] is ubuntu at 22c3? [12:34] i dont think so [12:34] must be an interesting job to do ? [12:34] yes it is very interesting [12:35] i have done this for the last 2 years for gnome in germany [12:35] I wanted to make a speech there about ronja but somehow missed the date [12:36] anyway I go now... good night [12:37] gn8 === juliux_ [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === juliux_ is now known as juliux === agente87 [n=agente87@88.1.102.82] has joined #edubuntu [12:51] hi === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@210.4.38.43] has joined #edubuntu [12:53] jsgotangco: hi [12:54] jsgotangco: bzr is happily living in my box [12:54] mhz, good day m8 [12:54] awesome [12:54] 7 commands will get you to nirvana [12:54] jsgotangco: sorry to be that lazy, but no which dir/branch should i get? [12:55] no problem, the tutorial is very VERY KISS [12:55] i liked it a lot === mhz is already in nirvana .... me is ubuntu member! :D [01:00] has anybody installed Jahshaka? [01:01] there is no debian package [01:01] ?? [01:01] agente87: never heard of that [01:02] it a video editing software [01:12] Burgwork: can we use bzr to fetch edubuntu ISO files? (kind of rsync like, to download only changes) === mhz is so happy with bzr!!! I had used SVN long ago but BZR rocks [01:13] mhz, hmm, unless the iso is in a bzr repo [01:15] Burgwork: so it will work perfectly? replacing rsync fetching ISO changes? [01:21] mhz, I doubt it. Rsync and bzr are really different tools [01:23] indeed, but i heard there were some 'bzr-rsync' plugins [01:23] but i may be very wrong === Navire [n=navire@200.172.83.129] has joined #edubuntu [01:38] Edububtu, run fine on enviroment corporation? [01:49] Have life here? [01:49] Navire: hi [01:50] Edubuntu can be used on diff environments. [01:50] Thank [01:50] Navire: what's on your mind? [01:51] My olds client Petium 100 32RAM and floppy, no boot PXE. [01:52] MHZ - Is good man!! :) [01:53] hehehe [01:53] Navire: each client should have 48 MB ram [01:54] and booting can be 'forced' via floppy [01:54] Ok [01:54] No problem with Olds Petium 100Mhz? [01:55] Run slow? [01:55] not sure but shouldnt be [01:55] all the load is on the server side and the network [01:56] I am using LTSP in my home. Working cool. [01:56] But Ubuntu + LTSP the official site, no package Ubuntu. [01:57] I will try Edubuntu. [01:57] I like will test Edu. [01:58] hehe, well Edubuntu has meant very good things [01:58] I will donwloading ISO now, and install there. [01:58] Navire: edubuntu = ubuntu + LTSP + education apps. [01:59] I know. [01:59] and the edubuntu LTSP will be adopted as standard by LTSP 4.2 [01:59] Ok [01:59] Have bittorent Edubuntu? [02:00] ISO. [02:00] hmm, i guess [02:00] actually, i am sure [02:00] but never used it yet [02:00] did you check the wiki [02:00] ? [02:00] Ok [02:00] Thank you. [02:00] Sorry, my english is very bad. :) [02:00] np [02:00] mine too :) [02:01] Navire: where are you from? [02:01] I from Brazil. [02:01] IMHO, brazil people always are very commited to Free software [02:01] so english is secundary [02:02] Realy. [02:02] I have to go. [02:02] See you later:) [02:03] Mhz, Where are you from? [02:04] Chile [02:04] Fine. [02:04] See you later. [02:05] c ya and hope u are back [02:05] Ok === Navire [n=navire@200.172.83.129] has left #edubuntu [] === pitux [n=pitux@117-177-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-40-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@ppp-69-214-139-148.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #edubuntu === paolob [n=donpaolo@51stb40.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu [03:12] Hi guys! I have a edubuntu server with 4GB ram. The bios sees all the ram, while in linux I have only 2.9 GB. What is this? Anyone could help me to understand why? thank you! === RichiH_ [i=richih@freenode/staff/richih] has joined #edubuntu [03:13] paolob, what archiceture? [03:13] i386 [03:14] isn't there an issue with high amts of ram and x86? [03:15] hyperactivecrond: IIRC, i think i read something like that? [03:15] iirc [03:15] if i remember correctly :) === paolob [n=donpaolo@51stb40.codetel.net.do] has left #edubuntu ["ci] === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.129.113] has joined #edubuntu === Bob_Moon [n=chatzill@24-171-78-200.dhcp.mtvr.il.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu [04:43] Greetings, I've installed edubuntu on an older system (P2, 600mhz, 256mb ram) for my daughter. Everything installed properly but once edubuntu loads the display divides in to quarters and is fuzzy. It's a pretty old monitor. Anyone run into this before, any ideas? === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.100.252] has joined #edubuntu === zhx [n=zhx@host-69-145-54-30.csp-wy.client.bresnan.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:01] hello? [06:01] hi [06:02] this isnt edubuntu specific, [06:03] shoot, just in case :) [06:03] but the ubuntu channel is too packed to get any help [06:03] ha [06:03] first off, nothing plays in totem [06:03] which is fine, becaues i prefer vlc anyway [06:03] so vlc plays everything...but no audio [06:03] was curious if you had heard of this [06:03] almost HAS to be a simple fix [06:03] are you in audio group? [06:04] audio group? [06:04] yup [06:04] wah wah wah? [06:04] in a terminal type: $ groups [06:04] that command will show you all the groups you ruser belongs to [06:04] yeah [06:04] audio works just fine in the OS [06:05] and xmms [06:05] aoh [06:05] oh quick question, how do i kill an unresponsive program? [06:05] then, maybe VLC is using a diff audio server than XMMS ? [06:05] xkill [06:06] or [06:06] in a terminal, === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [06:06] killall the_program === MrMazda [n=fmcz@B2a-CommercialWay-Brooksville-28.ij.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:11] do you use vlc? [06:12] npe [06:12] install completed without asking for a root password or where to install grub, so now I can't use windoze or edubuntu [06:13] so you use totem? [06:13] MrMazda: had you ever installed a linux distro before? [06:13] lotsa times [06:13] but rarely debians [06:13] zhx: actually, i use none. I see no videos in my box [06:13] only Xandrox [06:14] only Xandros [06:14] MrMazda: good. [06:14] MrMazda: and what option you chose? server? pressed enter? [06:14] enter [06:15] my 10 year old wanted linux, and SuSE didn't have enuf room [06:15] so you chose language, keyboard, let system recognize CD rom, etc [06:15] all that seemed OK [06:16] eventually after reboot it told me some packages failed to install [06:16] but not which [06:16] wired [06:16] weired [06:17] and after 1st reboot, it continued with no probs? [06:17] until the packages failure message [06:17] said I could proceed, so I did [06:17] hmmmm [06:17] MrMazda: you caught me [06:17] then said done, and left me at login prompt [06:18] ohh [06:18] that is good [06:18] what user you chose when installing? [06:18] not without password [06:18] none, I backed away because it demanded a password [06:18] but it always asks for user and password (not root) while installing, alwys [06:19] it asked, but when I refused to give it a non-null password it let me cancel, and then it proceeded without a user [06:21] hmmm, then I can't help you [06:21] my gues is that you should have given a password [06:22] what good is system with no root password? [06:22] never asked me [06:23] If I boot Knoppix and delete /etc/passwd is it smart enough to ask for a new one on next boot? [06:23] root is disabled in ubuntu [06:24] by default [06:24] indeed [06:24] but if you inser a LiveCD and start a terminal and mount current 'non-working- system [06:25] and then, mount it and chroot to it, you can run passwd a riit [06:25] any old live CD? [06:26] Gentoo, Knoppix, DSL, will do [06:26] k === mhz gotta sleep now, sorry [06:26] I'll try in the AM, gotta sleep too [06:26] thx :) [06:26] (2:30 AM here) [06:26] see ya [06:26] see ya === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.60.217.240] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084F7FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:54] ogra, did you had time to read the minifaq? [09:56] you flipped ltsp-utils and ltspadmin :) [09:56] ltsp-utils is a package, not a command [09:57] ups... [09:58] the rest looks fine :) [10:01] "Das ltsp-client Paket ist fr die chroot Umgebung auf dem Server von dem aus die Clients booten ntig." should rather say that ltsp-client is only for installation *inside* the created chroot environment and should not be touched manually at all, the ltsp-build-client script cares for it at chroot creation time [10:01] :) [10:02] seems some people install it on the server .... [10:02] yesterday I looked over http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup again and I think there should be a kind of "intro" before this (even if everthing is a configured during installation) [10:03] that intro was EdubuntuInstallNotes, but i agree, if you didnt read that page before, you are missing something ... its suboptimal ... [10:04] I have the feeling that http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes is to "general" [10:05] its all you need to know for a successful install ... [10:06] i miss some words about the chroot environment; there is no definition about this and a teacher does know nothing about chroot [10:07] he shouldnt [10:09] littlepaul: ja ich spreche deutsch [10:10] littlepaul, juliux and lucasvo opened #edubuntu-de yesterday [10:10] ogra, great [10:10] lucasvo, I'm working on a kind of Edubuntfaq in german [10:11] lucasvo, maby I can also help somehow [10:12] ogra, so can I update http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntufaq now? :) [10:13] littlepaul, yup [10:13] thx [10:13] apart from the small things i had above its fine [10:15] ogra, I installed edubuntu a while ago but I did not had time to configure an play with the server... [10:15] if its a test install anyway, test dapper ;) [10:16] ok, I downloaded dapper allready yesterday [10:16] yay, great [10:17] what about g2ding - no furhter development? [10:18] hehe, you know g2ding ? [10:18] sure [10:18] i use it, but stopped development looong ago... i should probably package it :) [10:18] the package on my personal server is very bad .... [10:19] I tested this package :) [10:19] it works, but the icon locations are wrong for example ... and the packaging work is one of my first attempts ... [10:19] its quite old ... [10:20] more than 2 years ... [10:20] oh, then you evolved very fast :) [10:21] heh, yes, i dont do anything else since 2 years ... :) [10:21] except some gardening probably ... === ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: there will be NO meeting on 28 Dec and 4 Jan. | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes === ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: there will be NO meeting on 28 Dec and 4 Jan. | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | see also #edubuntu-es and #edubuntu-de [10:22] :) [10:22] cool [10:30] ogra: :D [10:30] ogra: cool === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away is now known as \sh === juliux_ [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === juliux_ is now known as juliux [01:46] lucasvo, [01:46] * scp generates a new password (as long as possible with pwgen) on every start in /opt/ltsp//etc/s-c-p/passwd [01:46] * the passwd file is root read only... (s-c-p runs with sudo anyway) [01:46] * on the thin client runs "x11vnc -display :6 -scale 2/3 -forever"(x11vnc, an initscript and the password dir get installed by s-c-p postinst in the chroot) [01:46] * the viewer runs with the password from /opt/ltsp//etc/s-c-p/passwd [01:46] * determine speedups and compression policys that can be used ... [01:46] hm, looks good [01:47] ogra: since I updated to dapper there is white background in ldm, is this normal? [01:47] the prob is that we have to pick up the display on the client ... that slows vnc down a lot ... [01:48] i'D rather have a greyscale vnc connection, but it seems that not implemented yet [01:48] thats the themeable ldm ... [01:48] it shouldnt be plain white though [01:49] should be somewhat ebony ... or antiquewhite [01:49] ogra, should i edit the ltsp-client-build script or is it possible to just upgrade the ltsp chroot to dapper? [01:49] for what ? [01:50] to get dapper client on breezy server [01:50] (if you have a chroot alread dont build it again, that mostly causes problems) [01:51] it doesnt work 100% since the two kernels (server/client) are out of sync ... [01:51] but try the upgrading rather than rebuilding the chroot [01:51] ok [01:51] you mean the kernel thats passed to the client with tftp? [01:52] is out of sync with the one on the chroot? [01:52] and dont forget to run ltsp-update-kernels on the server afterwards [01:52] yes [01:52] but ltsp-update-kernels should solve that [01:52] ok [01:52] i'll give it a shot :o) [01:53] make a backup of the chroot ;) [01:53] a tar.bz2 or something ;) [01:53] already tarring it ;) [02:02] 307 upgraded, 52 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [02:02] oe 50 more packages in the chroot [02:02] gnome stuff [02:03] yup [02:03] themeable ldm requires gnomecanvas ... [02:03] that pulls python-gnome in [02:07] i'll install the bootchart as well. [02:07] good idea [02:07] note you need a way to access the client ... [02:08] already got that fixed up yesterday ;) [02:08] ah, yes, i remeber [02:08] i had hope you forgot:P [02:10] lol [02:13] ldm_0.62_all.deb [02:13] has some errors [02:13] btw [02:15] ? [02:16] had to use apt-get -f install [02:16] can you paste them please ? or file a bug ? i had none here === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh_away_away [02:20] it was really informative,only that it generated some errors and apt stopped [02:21] if you have to run -f install it will break a possible automation, i'd like to fix that [02:21] 2005-12-16 13:45:41 install ldm 0.62 [02:21] 2005-12-16 13:45:41 status half-installed ldm 0.62 [02:21] 2005-12-16 13:45:41 status not-installed ldm [02:21] thats dpkg.log [02:22] no, i need the apt-error [02:23] well i guess i can reinstall it [02:24] ah wait i'll generate it again [02:49] Errors were encountered while processing: [02:49] /var/cache/apt/archives/ldm_0.62_all.deb [02:49] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [02:50] ogra, what else do you need? [02:51] the real error is somewhere above [02:51] somewher near: setting up ldm === \sh_away_away is now known as \sh_away [02:53] Selecting previously deselected package ldm. [02:53] Unpacking ldm (from .../apt/archives/ldm_0.62_all.deb) ... [02:53] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ldm_0.62_all.deb (--unpack): [02:53] trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/ldm', which is also in package ltsp-client [02:55] ah, thanks === ogra fixes [02:56] there is missing a "Replaces: ltsp-client" in the ldm package [02:56] :) [02:56] great [02:56] i'll reboot and check if it actually works :o) === ogra hands spacey_ki a bugsquasher goldstar :-D [02:57] woei :) [02:57] brb === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [03:09] ogra: it works [03:09] great :) === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu [03:09] first time an nfs timeout.. but the four reboots after that it works good [03:09] hmm, i saw that too... [03:09] only bootchart doesn't seem to work. [03:10] did you regenerate the initramfs in the chroot ? [03:10] probably not [03:10] bootchart must be in initramfs === \sh_away is now known as \sh [03:11] do a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.15-8-386 in the chroot and then run ltsp-update-kernels again [03:11] i just found update-initramfs [03:12] but dpkg-reconfigure is probably more nice [03:12] yes, you can do that too, but it need some forse option iirc [03:12] *force [03:15] want to other errors which show up during boot? [03:15] nope3 [03:15] -3 [03:16] the startscript removal isnt i the new packages yet... [03:16] if it still occurs after these are in, i'd like to know about it [03:16] currently the bootprocess doesnt differ much from breezy (wrt startscripts) [03:17] ok [03:17] just noticed some command not found thingy [03:17] so errors because of readonly filesys etc are normal ... [03:21] ogra: I thought there will be a bootsplash? === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:21] yes, if i dont need bugreports about booterrors anymore ;) [03:21] hi mhz [03:21] bootsplash is enabled, but no dependency of ltsp-client yet [03:21] hi littlepaul [03:22] so if you install it manually, and regenerate the initramfs and run ltsp-update-kernels, it will be there ... [03:22] ogra: thanx for suggesting me to give bzr a try... i am in nirvana :D [03:22] hehe [03:23] ogra: and i am still kicking my chilean butt for the flood yesterday on the pm (i hope you were away) [03:24]