[01:15] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee, fancy packaging the new KMyMoney2?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah, if i'm told how to do it, or given a link...
[01:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: apt-get source kmymoney or whatever it's called.  get the new version from their website.  make a .orig with their tar file, copy the debian directory over, run dch -i to increment the changelog and debuild to build it
[01:17] <Riddell> red?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> when the nick is mentioned
[01:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee, Hobbsee, Hobbsee 
[01:18] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's it
[01:19] <Hobbsee> i'll give it a shot - got no idea how successful i'll be
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: make an .orig with their tar file?  how do i do that?
[01:22] <Riddell> make sure it's called <packagename>_<upstream.version>.orig.tar.gz
[01:22] <Riddell> and contains a directory  <packagename>-<upstream.version>
[01:23] <Hobbsee> right, done that
[01:23] <Hobbsee> copy the debian directory from...0.8.1 to 0.8.0 source, i presume?
[01:23] <Riddell> other way around
[01:25] <Hobbsee> presumably i have to untar both directories first?
[01:25] <Riddell> to get the old one do  apt-get source kmymoney2
[01:25] <Riddell> and it'll download and extract the old package
[01:25] <Riddell> well, current package
[01:26] <Riddell> which is just the source directory plus a debian/ directory
[01:26] <Riddell> copy accross that debian/ directory
[01:26] <Hobbsee> ooh, didnt see that folder!
[01:27] <Hobbsee> right, now to copy to 0.8.1, i'll need to extract 0.8.1.orig.tar.gz, i presume?
[01:27] <Riddell> yes
[01:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I have to go to bed now, ask freeflying for help or in #ubuntu-motu maybe
[01:29] <Hobbsee> i'm at the dch -i bit...
[01:29] <Hobbsee> says command not found
[01:29] <Riddell> apt-get install devscripts fakeroot
[01:30] <Riddell> if it build successfully with debuild  do a debuild -S  to make the sources and upload the *orig.tar.gz, *dsc, *diff.gz to a web server and I'll take a look at it
[01:30] <Riddell> night all
[01:30] <Hobbsee> ah ha!
[01:33] <Hobbsee> bummer
[01:37] <neoncode> Hobbsee: Fiddling around with what?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> kmymoney2, dont worry
[03:07] <neoncode> Hobbsee: How's kmymoney2 comeing along?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> neoncode: i need a darned gpg signature for it, which i now have, but is unsigned.  and seeing as i live in australia, it's pretty difficult to get it signed
[03:09] <neoncode> Hobbsee: How do you get a GPG signature signed anyway>?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> smoke and mirrors lol - take id, get someone in person to verify that you are you, then they can sign your key
[03:11] <neoncode> Wait, some persion IRL or online?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> in real life, which is the problem
[03:11] <neoncode> Ahhh...
[03:26] <Hobbsee> it seems even harder to get a gpg sig than to get a drivers licence, which then acts as an identifier...weird
[04:36] <raphink> I see ktranslator in the list of wanted apps for kubuntu
[04:36] <raphink> I've looked at this app
[04:36] <raphink> and for a multi-lingual dictionary, this is one of the apps with the worst english sentences I've ever seen
[04:36] <raphink> doesn't feel like trusting it for translation ;)
[09:05] <seth_k|away> Riddell, ipodslave was uninstallable due to kdelibs4c2 -> kdelibs4c2a, so instead of just rebuilding I yoinked the new upstream verison 0.7.1: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1199
[02:36] <jjesse> the boot screen for kubuntu is great, i love it (dapper flight 2(
[06:21] <pef> hello
[06:21] <Riddell> hi pef
[06:21] <Riddell> fancy porting kaffeine to gstreamer 0.10?
[06:21] <pef> hello Jonathan :)
[07:25] <Riddell> mornfall: you'll be pleased to know that adept works perfectly on powerpc
[07:25] <mornfall> Riddell: wow
[07:25] <mornfall> Riddell: interesting :)
[07:25] <mornfall> it's completely beyond me why though
[07:25] <Riddell> mornfall: although I did get a bit confused by the lack of an error message when it didn't have a network connection
[10:53] <mornfall> Riddell: still around?
[10:56] <Riddell> mornfall: yes
[10:56] <mornfall> Riddell: what do you think of the following idea
[10:57] <mornfall> Riddell: to represent package relations in the "browser" as a lister widget (the one which is used to list all packages by default)
[10:57] <mornfall> Riddell: but using a tree, with type of relation at top level (depends, recommends, conflicts, ...)
[10:58] <mornfall> Riddell: the actualy dependency element on the 2nd level, and the actual packages on 3rd
[10:58] <mornfall> (all that could satisfy the relation)
[10:59] <Riddell> could get quite cluttered
[10:59] <Riddell> a tree-list within a list
[10:59] <mornfall> it's more like a tree-list with extendable leaves
[11:00] <mornfall> i will try to figure a way to make the recommends/suggests/etc distinct from normal tree items tho
[11:00] <mornfall> so it would be
[11:00] <mornfall> Recommends
[11:00] <mornfall> [+]  mail-transport-agent
[11:01] <mornfall> (no [-]  on Recommends, and that one being rendered differently)
[11:01] <mornfall> first, i want to avoid multiple scrollable areas... that'd plain suck
[11:01] <Riddell> what's the advantage of that over just listing the packages  Recommends: mail-transport-agent, foo, bar
[11:02] <mornfall> Riddell: if you just list them, you can't get at them
[11:02] <Riddell> yeah
[11:02] <mornfall> Riddell: mail-transport-agent is (on purpose) a virtual package
[11:02] <mornfall> Riddell: so you would have to go back to search and search for it
[11:02] <mornfall> Riddell: this way, you will expand it and see the packages
[11:02] <mornfall> sort of what aptitude does
[11:03] <mornfall> Riddell: the other possibility is a plain listview, where the individual packages are clickable
[11:03] <Riddell> it sounds a good enough idea, just dangerous in filling up the interface too much
[11:04] <mornfall> Riddell: OH
[11:04] <mornfall> Riddell: okey, i know what you mean
[11:04] <mornfall> Riddell: this data is *not* part of the main list
[11:04] <Riddell> where is it?
[11:04] <mornfall> Riddell: you get a "details" butotn there, which expands the package to full window
[11:04] <Riddell> aah, sounds nice then
[11:04] <mornfall> Riddell: and depends etc appear there
[11:05] <jpatrick> That does sound nice
[11:05] <mornfall> the lister is going to stay as it is, only one button added
[11:05] <mornfall> (so it's "install/remove" and "details")
[11:06] <mornfall> i'm just not sure if i want the packages extendable the same way in the relation view
[11:07] <Riddell> I'd say yes, but the headers (Depends, Recommends etc) need to be quite distinct so they don't get lost, large bold text
[11:11] <mornfall> listening to The Modern End on World Of Glass by Tristania (2:20/4:45)
[11:24] <mornfall> now if i was actaually at least a *bit* motivated to do anything :'/
[11:25] <mornfall> even the computer is acting stupid
[11:27] <mornfall> even the cursor is jaggy
[11:27] <mornfall> load avg 3.5, 2.5, 2.1 and it's *not doing anything*
[11:28] <mornfall> FFS
[11:30] <Riddell> gamin has been doing things like that recently but you probably aren't running kubuntu flight
[11:31] <Riddell> would "thousands of KDE users are depending on you" motivate at all?
[11:31] <mornfall> dunnow
[11:31] <mornfall> it's not konqueror, it's not fam, it's not amarok
[11:31] <mornfall> (causing the jagginess of everyting)
[11:31] <mornfall> everything
[11:33] <mornfall> it's irritating to no end :'(
[11:40] <mornfall> AAARGH
[11:40] <mornfall> it *was* konqueror
[11:42] <mornfall> on the other hand, this *should not happen*
[11:50] <mornfall> need coffee... brb