| mdke | dholbach, you're on it tho right? | 12:03 |
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| dholbach | yeah :) | 12:03 |
| mdke | ah well you can post about ubuntu-docs :) | 12:04 |
| dholbach | people are sick of me already, announcing this or that, .. :) | 12:04 |
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| dholbach | but maybe i should sit down at the weekend and write a BIG post :) | 12:05 |
| mdke | you're the ubuntu love guy :) | 12:05 |
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| dholbach | thanks :) | 12:05 |
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| mdke | Kamion, around? | 12:22 |
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| dholbach | good night everybody | 12:30 |
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| Kinnison | BenC: thanks | 12:50 |
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| Burgwork | mdke, I think I heard that Kamion is going away for a few days | 12:59 |
| Burgwork | something about us being all insane | 12:59 |
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| mdke | Burgwork, hehe, ok I've mailed him | 01:13 |
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| lllmanulll | Hey there, could anybody tell me where I can find bzr branches ? Are they stored on some URL, or should I just create a branch from a tarball (apt-get source) ? | 01:35 |
| mdke | lllmanulll, for what project? | 01:36 |
| mdke | many are at bazaar.ubuntu.com i think | 01:36 |
| lllmanulll | well, any package in fact... | 01:36 |
| lllmanulll | gnome-session in particular | 01:36 |
| lllmanulll | hmm, is that for bzr or baz ? :) | 01:37 |
| mdke | i don't know | 01:37 |
| lllmanulll | Ok, I'll try, thanks a lot :) | 01:37 |
| lllmanulll | Hmmm, none of them are newer than july 2005, I guess there must be somewhere else | 01:38 |
| mdke | oh whoops sorry | 01:38 |
| lllmanulll | no problem :) | 01:38 |
| lllmanulll | Anybody else awake ? :) | 01:38 |
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| Fergus | lllmanulll, sure.. | 01:49 |
| lllmanulll | Nevermind, I was told that most packages don't have bzr branches online | 01:50 |
| lllmanulll | right ? | 01:50 |
| tseng | right. | 01:50 |
| tseng | hct will fix that someday | 01:50 |
| lllmanulll | thanks :) | 01:50 |
| tseng | Kamion: flight 2 installer was alot more beligerent than usual :/ | 01:56 |
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| mjg59 | tseng: Hi - did you see my comments about beagle? | 02:12 |
| tseng | mjg59: which | 02:21 |
| tseng | mjg59: (no) | 02:21 |
| mjg59 | tseng: Fails with an old firefox | 02:22 |
| tseng | yes that would be a problem | 02:22 |
| mjg59 | If it's built against 1.5, it probably needs to depend on it | 02:22 |
| tseng | probably shlibs or clilibs sucking | 02:23 |
| tseng | stuff that is invoked from managed code gets stuck in the twilight zone of depends: | 02:23 |
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| tseng | mjg59: firefox (>= 1.4.99), hows that catch you | 02:25 |
| mjg59 | tseng: Better, but then firefox can be upgraded and break it | 02:26 |
| mjg59 | tseng: Diziet is looking into solving that. Basically, firefox will provide: firefox-abi-1.5 | 02:26 |
| mjg59 | Then you depend on that | 02:26 |
| mjg59 | When the ABI breaks, the provides changes | 02:26 |
| tseng | I think ill cross that bridge when we come to it, then | 02:26 |
| tseng | file a bug if that happens please | 02:26 |
| mjg59 | Heh. It will :) | 02:27 |
| mjg59 | But yeah, will do | 02:27 |
| tseng | thanks. | 02:28 |
| tseng | if beagle goes through new in debian, is rejected and reuploaded.. | 02:29 |
| tseng | is the revision incremented? | 02:29 |
| lifeless | should not be | 02:30 |
| lifeless | unless the dev made more changes before realising the rejection | 02:30 |
| tseng | that sucks | 02:30 |
| tseng | ill just sync it with the same revision in ubuntu, then | 02:30 |
| tseng | MoM be damned | 02:30 |
| tseng | (i jumped the gun and synced the version that went into NEW) | 02:31 |
| tseng | i blame seb128 and dholbach for repeated badgering and related shananigans | 02:32 |
| ajmitch | hopefully the orig.tar.gz is the same, at least | 02:38 |
| tseng | mjg59: you wish is granted | 02:39 |
| tseng | ajmitch: im sure it is | 02:39 |
| mjg59 | tseng: Rock, thanks | 02:40 |
| tseng | nps | 02:41 |
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| mhz | hi all | 03:17 |
| mhz | do you know if ubuntu/edubuntu should recognize 4GB of ram in a box? | 03:18 |
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| elmo | mhz: yes | 03:19 |
| mhz | just by running 'free'? elmo | 03:19 |
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| elmo | mhz: yes | 03:20 |
| mhz | okis, thx | 03:20 |
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| crimsun | elmo: ping | 04:13 |
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| infinity | elmo : Can libdrm2 get promoted to main, s'il vous plait? | 06:55 |
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| tux-rox | Quick question, anyone working on backporting or fixing Evolution-Exchange Connector for Breezy? It is pretty crappy and I am really trying not to use Windows at work to be an example that it is possible...... | 08:21 |
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| seth_k | tux-rox, is there a new version in dapper? what's the package name? | 08:27 |
| tux-rox | seth_k, of course there is a new version in Dapper, but I am worried about having to update the entire GNOME interface to update the evolution packages. It as a lot of deps, and I'd rather not break my system. The name is evolution-exchange I believe. | 08:29 |
| seth_k | okay, I'll run a backport on it tux-rox, and we'll see what happens. It may be too greatly changed to install, but we can at least see :) | 08:31 |
| seth_k | it'll be a few minutes building and then i'll upload it for you to try | 08:31 |
| tux-rox | evolution-exchange_2.5.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb is the latest in Dapper I think. | 08:31 |
| tux-rox | OK, cool. | 08:31 |
| seth_k | yeah, that's the version that I'm building now | 08:32 |
| tux-rox | That would ROCK, as I really want this to go off and work without a hitch. People are already saying things like, "What's that on your computer?" or my manager saying, "You have a license for that right?" :-) | 08:33 |
| seth_k | hmm, it prefers libedataserverui1.2-dev >= 1.5.3 and breezy has only 1.4.1-0ubuntu3 :( | 08:33 |
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| tux-rox | Actually, the list of deps when I tried the dapper package was 23...... :-( | 08:34 |
| tux-rox | That's why it is totally understandable that we are not seeing a really motivated effort to backport large apps like this, I think. | 08:35 |
| seth_k | well, loosening that build-dep made it satisfied, now it's just if it builds... which it may well not. But no harm in trying :) | 08:36 |
| tux-rox | Cool | 08:36 |
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| seth_k | yup, no go. ftbfs if I loosed the build-dep | 08:38 |
| seth_k | and now you're looking at backporting a library, which is angry stuff, sorry :( | 08:38 |
| tux-rox | seth_k, I figured as much. No worries, but thanks a bunch for trying! | 08:38 |
| seth_k | no worries, poke me if you ever want a backport (maybe one with fewer dependencies :P) | 08:39 |
| tux-rox | seth_k, thanks, I'll keep it in mind! | 08:39 |
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| dholbach | good morning developers | 09:17 |
| Pygi | good mornin' dholbach | 09:21 |
| dholbach | hey pygi | 09:24 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 09:25 |
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| Pygi | mornin' pitti | 09:29 |
| pitti | Hi Pygi | 09:35 |
| maswan | dholbach: Hmm.. Perhaps clicking around on a couple of files in nautilus and fiddling with properties etc would be a good short test too? (just found a nautilus crash in flight-2 on right-click/properties/open with) | 09:44 |
| dholbach | maswan: sounds like it | 09:46 |
| dholbach | :) | 09:47 |
| mvo | pitti: what do you think about moving to dbus 0.60? | 09:47 |
| dholbach | maswan: could you install nautilus-dbg and include the backtrace in the bug report? | 09:47 |
| dholbach | maswan: (if it's reproducible) | 09:47 |
| pitti | mvo: fine for me | 09:51 |
| pitti | mvo: AFAIK it's already in Debian experimental | 09:51 |
| pitti | Diziet: you rock! (nss/nspr from firefox) thanks a million | 09:52 |
| mvo | pitti: yes, i have it runing here and beside the (usual) pain for the transition it seems to be working fine. I had to apply a amd64 patch though to make the debian/experimental version build. "long -> long long" otherwise qt4 complained loudly | 09:52 |
| pitti | mvo: so we need to change all dbus dependencies? | 09:52 |
| pitti | hal, g-v-m, gvfs, g-p-m, etc.? | 09:53 |
| mvo | pitti: yes, new api/abi | 09:53 |
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| pitti | mvo: hmkay, if you want to upload it now, I'll care for hal/gvm | 09:53 |
| mvo | so far everything worked with a recompile, but we may have to change g-p-m and gnome-applets a bit (it uses the old libnotify interface) | 09:53 |
| ogra | not true :) | 09:54 |
| mvo | no? | 09:54 |
| ogra | afaik its prepared for the new one already.... | 09:54 |
| mvo | oh, nice (and even better) :) both? or only g-p-m? | 09:54 |
| ogra | i can only talk about g-p-m | 09:54 |
| mvo | I would love to ask one of the release team before to be sure that I don't do the upload at a inconvenient time. but mdz and kamion are on vacation | 09:55 |
| pitti | flight-2 is just out | 09:55 |
| pitti | we won't get a better time than now | 09:55 |
| pitti | mvo: and we'll also need the libsysfs2 transition | 09:55 |
| pitti | mvo: so I'd upload both at the same time, then get it through NEW, then rebuild hal/gvm against the new stuff | 09:56 |
| infinity | mvo : I'm pretending to be kamion while he's on VAC. Go nuts. Upload now, upload often. | 09:56 |
| infinity | (Also, I'm having a weekend right now, so this wasn't me) | 09:56 |
| mvo | pitti: ok, I do dbus, you do libsysfs2? | 09:56 |
| pitti | infinity: can you NEW? | 09:56 |
| pitti | mvo: yes | 09:57 |
| infinity | pitti : No, but elmo should wake up in a few hours. :) | 09:57 |
| pitti | mvo: I already have the sysfs packages prepared | 09:57 |
| mvo | infinity: can we have you after colins vacation as well please :) ? | 09:57 |
| infinity | mvo : You won't like me very much when I'm trying to do CD releases. Colin's a much nicer person. | 09:57 |
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| mvo | infinity: heh :) | 09:58 |
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| dholbach | hellas vuntz | 09:59 |
| dholbach | vuntz: look at ubuntu-dekstop@ | 09:59 |
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| Mithrandir | dholbach: since you think the new live cd is faster, what do you think of http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/live-bootcharts/unionfs-squashfs-dapper-20051216-1.png vs http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/live-bootcharts/unionfs-dapper-20051212-1.png ? The latter is approximately the current live (+bootchart), the latter is with squashfs | 10:05 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: squashfs vanilla? | 10:06 |
| Mithrandir | Kaloz: I just used squashfs instead of cloop | 10:07 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, woah, why does the adduser take this long ? | 10:07 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: if I can suggest smg, try squashfs-lzma | 10:07 |
| dholbach | wow, Mithrandir, i'm thoroughly impressed | 10:07 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: because it needs to read libc, perl etc, etc off the image. | 10:07 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: it would look differently if I added a "chroot /target /bin/ls" before adduser, and you'd ask why ls needed ten seconds to do anything | 10:08 |
| ogra | heh | 10:08 |
| ogra | but it definately takes much longer in the second chart | 10:08 |
| Mithrandir | also, this is without readahead or file system reordering. | 10:09 |
| ogra | and i wonder why your x configuration takes much longer than mine in ltsp, i guess we're doing exactly the same at this point of booting | 10:10 |
| Kaloz | oh, lzam would make smaller files and would be faster btw, too ;) | 10:10 |
| maswan | dholbach: Ah, good plan. I'll update the bug report with that. | 10:10 |
| Mithrandir | Kaloz: cool, I'll take a look a it. | 10:10 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: because my file system is way slower, especially seeks? | 10:10 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: use the patches from our svn if you want to | 10:10 |
| dholbach | maswan: merci beaucoup | 10:10 |
| Mithrandir | Kaloz: which "our"? :-) | 10:11 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, i dont think so... my nfs mount is slow as well ... | 10:11 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: OpenWrt | 10:11 |
| Mithrandir | Kaloz: ah, excellent. :-) | 10:11 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: https://dev.openwrt.org/file/trunk/openwrt/target/linux/linux-2.6/patches/generic/002-squashfs_lzma.patch | 10:11 |
| Mithrandir | Kaloz: just didn't have any project connection on you in my head. | 10:11 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: and https://dev.openwrt.org/file/trunk/openwrt/target/lzma/lzma-406-zlib-stream.patch | 10:12 |
| Mithrandir | ugh, more kernel patching? Well, I'll build images and see how much we save. | 10:12 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, mdz's idea was that we collect all debconf stuff and calll debconf communicate only once to reduce the time it by about 10 | 10:12 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: yeah, I wanted to do nubuntu (eg. embedded ubuntu), just i was pretty busy with my own stuff | 10:12 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: you don't have 100-150ms seek times, I hope. | 10:12 |
| ogra | s/time/time for | 10:12 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: well, about space savings.. prepare to be amazed | 10:12 |
| ogra | that really depends on the network load here ;) | 10:12 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: using lzma vs. bzip2 is about using bzip2 vs. gzip | 10:13 |
| Mithrandir | Kaloz: I'm already in shock&awe about squashfs vs cloop. Only sad thing is squashfs is read-only, so ppc might lose out a bit (since unionfs is oopsorama on ppc) | 10:13 |
| vuntz | dholbach: I've seen the translation (he sent me a private mail first). That's cool :-) | 10:13 |
| dholbach | vuntz: that's amazing | 10:14 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: well, we had cramfs, then squshfs, then squshfs-lzma. we were shocked with the switch of squashfs, too, until we saw lzma | 10:14 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: since then, I dream of someone implementing lzma for jffs2 ;) | 10:15 |
| Mithrandir | Kaloz: that'd be nice, agreed.. :-) | 10:17 |
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| Kaloz | Mithrandir: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/patches/downloads/linux/linux-2.6-lzma-1.patch | 10:22 |
| Kaloz | for the kernel optionally | 10:22 |
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| Mithrandir | Kaloz: that's for lzma-compressing the kernel? | 10:25 |
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| Mithrandir | Kaloz: I don't think we want to do that, at least not initially. We're tight on space, but I'd like to not potentially break people's boots | 10:25 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: well, with squashfs-lzma you would gain at least 25-30% | 10:26 |
| Mithrandir | that's 500k, which is nice, of course. | 10:27 |
| Mithrandir | grr, where's keybuk when I need him? | 10:28 |
| Kaloz | 500K on a full cd? ;) | 10:29 |
| sivang | morning all | 10:30 |
| Mithrandir | yes, but I just freed up 25MB by going to squashfs and you're saying that lzma will be even better, so.. :-) | 10:30 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: well, using squashfs-lzma for the full cd should gain around 100M imho :p | 10:32 |
| Mithrandir | Kaloz: over squashfs or cloop? | 10:33 |
| Kaloz | over squashfs :P | 10:33 |
| Mithrandir | wow | 10:33 |
| Kaloz | .oO(now comes the "holy shit") | 10:33 |
| Kaloz | :) | 10:33 |
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| Mithrandir | what's the svn-url to your repo? | 10:34 |
| ogra | yay, that would be awesome, my edubuntu ppc live already needs the overburn feature to fit on a 700MB CD | 10:34 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: ppc won't get this | 10:34 |
| Kaloz | for the full repo? https://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/trunk/ | 10:34 |
| ogra | gah | 10:34 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: at least not until unionfs is fixed there | 10:35 |
| ogra | ok, so some hope left :) | 10:35 |
| sivang | anybody know of a reliable way to check how much have passed since a user installed his system? also, how to set a question in our d-i, for enabling some feature or not? (by "feature" I mean http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup) | 10:37 |
| sivang | *time | 10:38 |
| Treenaks | sivang: including OEM, or excluding? | 10:38 |
| ogra | sivang, adding d-i questions is a big nono | 10:38 |
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| sivang | Treenaks: hmm, good question :) | 10:38 |
| shay|ubuntu | hi | 10:39 |
| sivang | hi shay|ubuntu | 10:39 |
| Pygi | hi hi | 10:39 |
| shay|ubuntu | what's up :-) | 10:40 |
| sivang | hey Pygi | 10:41 |
| ogra | sivang, or do you mean adding a debconf question to the package ? thats possible, but needs to be prio=low to not show up on installation ... | 10:41 |
| Mithrandir | Kaloz: hmm, the lzma-406-zlib-stream patch is needed for what? That is, how do I generate the file system? | 10:42 |
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| sivang | ogra: well, we did thought about adding this to d-i at install time, so someone could "no" it by pre-seeding for mass installs... | 10:43 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: ah, forget that one. tha tis for our kenrel only imho :) | 10:43 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: well, there is a patche for mksqushfs in there | 10:43 |
| ogra | sivang, thats suboptimal, and Kamion will surely oppose it ... | 10:43 |
| Mithrandir | Kaloz: that sounds better. :-) | 10:43 |
| sivang | ogra: I see | 10:43 |
| Nafallo | infinity, lamont: give back screem on i386 powerpc ia64, thanks. | 10:44 |
| jdub | sivang: check the creation date of a file created in both OEM and normal installations? not super reliable, but not terrible | 10:44 |
| sivang | jdub: /me tomboys :) | 10:44 |
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| Kaloz | Mithrandir: sec, i point you the the original patches from Oleg | 10:45 |
| sivang | jdub: if we add HUB to main, does it mean it will be both in OEM and normal automatically? | 10:45 |
| jdub | sivang: only if it's in the desktop seed | 10:45 |
| sivang | jdub: ok, so OEM means base + desktop seed essentially? | 10:46 |
| ogra | sivang, if you want it installed, it needs to be seeded, thats what jdub meant | 10:46 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: http://oleg.wl500g.info/lzma/ infos: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=10612560 | 10:46 |
| sivang | ogra: ok, thanks | 10:47 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: and use the 2.6 kernel patch from our repo | 10:47 |
| ogra | sivang, adding stuff to main wont just install it ;9 | 10:47 |
| ogra | ;) | 10:47 |
| sivang | jdub: thank as well ;-) | 10:47 |
| Mithrandir | Kaloz: thanks | 10:47 |
| sivang | ogra: sure, /me recalls. | 10:48 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: afaik newer version of the lzma sdk are even faster, I will take a look at those today | 10:48 |
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| jdub | yep | 10:49 |
| Mithrandir | Kaloz: it seems to require me to have the lzma stuff installed, which isn't packaged, but I could do that. | 10:49 |
| Nafallo | infinity, lamont: nm, seems to be in state building everywhere except amd64, where it's installed. | 10:49 |
| Mithrandir | Kaloz: any idea if the 7zip patch has been submitted upstream? | 11:06 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: dunno | 11:06 |
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| Mithrandir | Kaloz: it doesn't seem to build, though. | 11:31 |
| Kaloz | well, works for us :) so the problem should be there somewhere | 11:33 |
| Mithrandir | heh. :-) | 11:33 |
| Mithrandir | I guess some changes have happened in p7zip in the meantime, then. | 11:33 |
| Kaloz | p7zip? we are using the lzma sdk from 7zip.org | 11:35 |
| Mithrandir | the code seems to be the same, though | 11:36 |
| Kaloz | well, lzma406 works for us, as I've said, I will take a look later for the new versions | 11:36 |
| Kaloz | now I'm testing gcc 3.4.5, as that fixes a compiler bug with -Os | 11:37 |
| Mithrandir | ah, we're using 4.0 | 11:38 |
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| Kaloz | Mithrandir: that had the bug, too | 11:39 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: everything >= gcc 3.4 | 11:39 |
| Kaloz | Mithrandir: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=22167 | 11:40 |
| Mithrandir | does it only bite mips/el? | 11:40 |
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| Kaloz | nope | 11:41 |
| Mithrandir | I would think we'd dragged that in, given that it was committed to the gcc repo in july | 11:43 |
| Kaloz | well, we didn't, yet :) and maybe all the madwifi problems we are facing will be fixed with this (and/or our 2.4 kernel will be bootable with gcc4 after this fix) | 11:45 |
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| drakeoutlaw | hi all, is there an Ubuntu update for the ipw2200 driver. I need the 1.0.8 (latest) please | 11:58 |
| dholbach | drakeoutlaw: i guess you'd have more success with filing a bug report, stating where to get it, what the problem is with the old one and why it fixes it | 12:00 |
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| drakeoutlaw | I could use the source from debian testing can't I | 12:01 |
| DocTomoe | What would it take to add alsaconfig to dapper? | 12:01 |
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| HiddenWolf | drakeoutlaw, at your own risk, yes. :) | 12:01 |
| dholbach | drakeoutlaw: i suppose that doesn't change problems for ubuntu as a whole | 12:01 |
| drakeoutlaw | would module assistant work? | 12:02 |
| drakeoutlaw | i mean would module-assistant work in the downloaded .deb file? | 12:03 |
| drakeoutlaw | dholbach: wher does one file a bug report | 12:06 |
| dholbach | drakeoutlaw: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com | 12:06 |
| drakeoutlaw | dholbach: thanx | 12:06 |
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| mvo | hey seb128 | 12:14 |
| seb128 | hi mvo | 12:14 |
| dholbach | hellas seb128 | 12:16 |
| pitti | Hi seb128 | 12:18 |
| pitti | seb128: e-d-s still didn't build :( | 12:19 |
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| seb128 | pitti: get infinity to look why | 12:19 |
| pitti | ENOINFINITY | 12:19 |
| seb128 | he said he would do that first thing today | 12:19 |
| seb128 | EIMNOTBUILDDADMIN | 12:20 |
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| Robot101 | surely EFINITE? :) | 12:22 |
| pitti | heh | 12:22 |
| ogra | seb128, he just said he'd throw a hammer at it ... iirc ... he probably did :P | 12:23 |
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| joe_oblivian | hi everybody, I've an issue with the ubuntu-installer on ppc that has been going on through breezy and the two dapper flights. Basically, the ubuntu-installer refuses to read the apple partition map, even if mac-fdisk (from the shell)reads it correctly. I think the problem *might* arise from the fact I have HFSX partitions | 12:26 |
| joe_oblivian | If there is any ppc developer around, I'll be happy to send him a dump of my apple partition map | 12:26 |
| fabbione | joe_oblivian: it's a known bug. | 12:27 |
| fabbione | let me dig the number | 12:27 |
| joe_oblivian | fabbione: ok if it's known, it's okay. I've seen something in the forums but was not able to find it on launchpad | 12:28 |
| fabbione | it's in bugzilla | 12:29 |
| Nafallo | isn't bugzilla imported to malone now? | 12:29 |
| fabbione | Nafallo: would you hate me if i say i dunno? | 12:29 |
| ogra | i hope it isnt visible if it is ... | 12:30 |
| Nafallo | fabbione: nope, I just was under the impression. maybe staging or something :-P. | 12:30 |
| fabbione | joe_oblivian: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20569 | 12:30 |
| ogra | would be odd to have it in two places before we switch | 12:30 |
| joe_oblivian | fabbione: ok and scusa :-) | 12:30 |
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| fabbione | joe_oblivian: no problem :) | 12:31 |
| ogra | hehe | 12:31 |
| joe_oblivian | fabbione: it's a pity, I cannot install the dapper on my ibook :-/ | 12:34 |
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| doko | elmo: please sync valgrind 1:3.1.0-2 from unstable, overwriting ubuntu changes | 12:37 |
| jordi | pitti, or whoever looks at alsa. I think you're interested in alsa-driver/incoming | 12:38 |
| jordi | it transitions to the new modprobe blacklists etc | 12:38 |
| pitti | jordi: we should get that automatically, but thank you | 12:38 |
| jordi | k | 12:38 |
| ogra | joe_oblivian, install breezy and upgrade ? | 12:39 |
| fabbione | joe_oblivian: do you have the latest ibook from Apple? | 12:40 |
| fabbione | joe_oblivian: the end of 2005 model? | 12:40 |
| fabbione | ogra: it might not help at all | 12:40 |
| joe_oblivian | ogra: no the problem waas in breezy | 12:40 |
| ogra | hmm, hoary ? | 12:40 |
| joe_oblivian | fabbione: no I do have a 1.2 Ghz ibook from aug 2004 | 12:40 |
| fabbione | joe_oblivian: you need to change the MacOS partition properties.. | 12:41 |
| joe_oblivian | ogra: well, I might try | 12:41 |
| fabbione | joe_oblivian: your has journal+casesentive | 12:41 |
| fabbione | you need to kill casesensitive | 12:41 |
| fabbione | journal is fine | 12:41 |
| joe_oblivian | fabbione: I need case sensitiveness | 12:41 |
| fabbione | hoary won't help | 12:41 |
| fabbione | joe_oblivian: how so? | 12:41 |
| fabbione | it works even without.. it's an extra feature for something i couldn't even figure out | 12:42 |
| joe_oblivian | fabbione: I have some code thet would needd to be rewritten if I do not use case sensitiveness | 12:42 |
| fabbione | hm ok | 12:42 |
| fabbione | than i guess you will have to wait for a fix | 12:42 |
| joe_oblivian | fabbione: I know.... I'd love to help testing any fix... | 12:43 |
| fabbione | we have none.. | 12:43 |
| joe_oblivian | fabbione: ok, then maybe I'll wait for the AE driver to become stable enough and then I'll wipe tiger from my ibook | 12:44 |
| joe_oblivian | or maybe I'll try to install sid instead | 12:45 |
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| seb128 | is somebody working on gutenprint (#19891)? | 01:18 |
| pitti | elmo: can you please NEW sysfsutils 2.0.0, so that I can complete the transition today? | 01:37 |
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| lucasvo | when you click on an email adress like a@b.com in a terminal, does your evolution(if it is running) start up once again as well? | 01:50 |
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| siretart | pitti: ogra send me to you, since my upgrade to dapper, sound is broken. System->Settings->Audio does not let me choose my soundcard, the selector is empty. I have 2 cards, sblive and onboard nforce4 shit. I want sblive as card0. | 01:59 |
| siretart | pitti: How do I debug the problem? | 02:00 |
| pitti | siretart: do you have 5 minutes? I'd like to finish my current task before coming to this | 02:00 |
| siretart | pitti: no problem. take your time | 02:01 |
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| segfault | whats the new splash screen uusing? | 02:03 |
| Treenaks | SuSE ;) | 02:03 |
| segfault | that gfxboot? | 02:04 |
| ogra | yup | 02:04 |
| segfault | nice | 02:04 |
| ogra | not really, the theme markup seems to be very weird :) | 02:05 |
| ogra | but the outcome is great, agreed :) | 02:05 |
| segfault | im using dapper, but havent updated it for some days | 02:06 |
| segfault | is it just in the install cd or after installed it will appear too? | 02:06 |
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| ogra | its in the install cd ... | 02:06 |
| ogra | we didnt change from usplash for booting ... | 02:07 |
| Nafallo | and livecd... | 02:07 |
| ogra | indeed :) | 02:07 |
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| seb128 | infinity: did you figure what's wrong with e-d-s build? | 02:25 |
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| segfault | where's the server team? | 02:29 |
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| pitti | Hi jbailey | 02:36 |
| jbailey | moin, Martin. | 02:37 |
| mvo | hey jbailey | 02:39 |
| jbailey | Herr Vogt! | 02:40 |
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| usual | Not sure if this is the place to ask, does ubuntu plan on offering a directory services solution like the Fedora project has started? It looks very promising. | 02:46 |
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| OgMaciel | \sh, good morning (or afternoon for you)... can I pvt for 1-2 minutes? | 03:11 |
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| \sh | OgMaciel: sure...but be careful I have a cold :) | 03:37 |
| OgMaciel | hehehe | 03:37 |
| mvo | Riddell: do you plan to ask for main inclusion of qt4 any time soon? | 03:39 |
| Riddell | mvo: yes, it'll be brought in by avahi | 03:39 |
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| Riddell | mvo: who do you ask? | 03:39 |
| mvo | Riddell: I was asking because dbus 0.60 needs it as well | 03:40 |
| pitti | hm, seriously, that's just another upstream version | 03:41 |
| pitti | I don't see a need to do a report for that | 03:41 |
| Riddell | are we going to do dbus 0.60 in dapper? | 03:41 |
| pitti | mvo: does it even have a different source package name? | 03:41 |
| Riddell | pitti: qt4 does yes | 03:41 |
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| Riddell | there's already a qt4 main inclusion report | 03:41 |
| pitti | Riddell: hm, that cries for 'RemovingDuplicates' | 03:42 |
| pitti | Riddell: if we have qt4 in main, can we drop qt3? | 03:42 |
| Riddell | pitti: no, not until we drop KDE 3 | 03:42 |
| pitti | bah | 03:42 |
| Riddell | qt4 is quite different from qt3 | 03:42 |
| pitti | mvo: what's the point of building dbus against qt4 when KDE uses 3? | 03:42 |
| pitti | mvo: could you please rather disable the qt4 bindings then? | 03:43 |
| pitti | oh, wait, then we wouldn't have any dbus qt bindings at all any more | 03:43 |
| Riddell | pitti: why? | 03:43 |
| Riddell | there are still qt3 dbus bindings (I hope) | 03:44 |
| pitti | me too | 03:44 |
| pitti | otherwise we'd be screwed | 03:44 |
| mvo | yes, we would have qt3 as well | 03:44 |
| mvo | I can disable it, sure | 03:44 |
| seb128 | Binary: libdbus-glib-1-2, dbus-1-doc, monodoc-dbus-1-manual, libdbus-qt4-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev, python2.4-dbus, dbus-1-utils, libdbus-qt-1-dev, libdbus-1-dev, libdbus-qt4-1-1, dbus, libdbus-1-2, libdbus-1-cil, libdbus-qt-1-1c2 | 03:45 |
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| seb128 | there is libdbus-qt4-1-1, libdbus-qt-1-1c2 | 03:45 |
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| mvo | Riddell: is that ok with you too? | 03:45 |
| pitti | I *strongly* object against having two different qt versions in main, and used by other programs | 03:46 |
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| pitti | that only cries for trouble | 03:46 |
| pitti | seb128: buildds are offline | 03:46 |
| seb128 | what are the damn buildds doing, they are in VAC? :) | 03:46 |
| pitti | indeed they are | 03:46 |
| seb128 | well | 03:46 |
| seb128 | all that is a plan to get me not working on my VAC day I guess :p | 03:46 |
| seb128 | fine, /me goes for some book reading :) | 03:46 |
| jbailey | seb128: You can help me hack on cdbs then. =) | 03:46 |
| Riddell | mvo, pitti: it's ok for now but at some point soonish people will be releasing programs that use qt 4 so it'll be needed in main before long | 03:46 |
| pitti | seb128: I started Potter 6 yesterday :) | 03:47 |
| pitti | Riddell: hrm, that sucks | 03:47 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'm reading the 2 atm and I really enjoyed the 1 (I enjoy the 2 as well) :) | 03:47 |
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| Riddell | pitti: it'll be quite some time before we can get rid of qt3 from main | 03:47 |
| pitti | Riddell: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=qt -> expect some security updates with doubled effort in the next three years... | 03:48 |
| \sh | seb128: bah I read them all :) | 03:48 |
| \sh | seb128: already :) | 03:48 |
| Riddell | pitti: qt4 is an almost complete re-write, I think most security issue won't affect both | 03:49 |
| pitti | Riddell: do you know how long upstream will support 3? | 03:49 |
| \sh | .oO(until all commercial clients switched to qt4?) | 03:50 |
| Riddell | pitti: not sure but as \sh says they have several thousand commercial clients to support | 03:50 |
| Riddell | so a few years yet | 03:50 |
| azeem | but maybe they support them via contracts, not by releasing patches to the public? | 03:51 |
| \sh | azeem: I don't think so...actually the applications in OSS are much more | 03:51 |
| azeem | ok | 03:51 |
| \sh | azeem: and there are some OSS KDE Guys sponsored by QT which they don't want to push away..or towards GTK | 03:52 |
| Riddell | azeem: all qt is dual licenced, gpl and proprietry. they make the same releases as free software as they do to their clients | 03:52 |
| azeem | true | 03:52 |
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| ptlo | both gtk 1.2 and 2.x are in main, they are paralel installable; if qt3 and qt4 don't step on each other toes, they to can then be in main, no? (just my 2c, i'm a user, not a packager/dev) | 04:04 |
| seb128 | ptlo: we are trying to move gtk1.2 out of main | 04:04 |
| seb128 | it's just here because some apps trigger it | 04:05 |
| jbailey | seb128: Just gnucash left, isn't it? | 04:05 |
| seb128 | I think so | 04:05 |
| Treenaks | they still haven't ported that?! | 04:05 |
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| seb128 | no :/ | 04:05 |
| Treenaks | omg | 04:05 |
| seb128 | jbailey: oh, xmms too | 04:06 |
| seb128 | but my opinion is that we could move xmms to universe | 04:06 |
| jbailey | I think so too. | 04:06 |
| jbailey | I don't think it's had any real security issues, so it's low risk to move it there. | 04:06 |
| jsgotangco | jbailey, gtk1 rules! | 04:07 |
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| pitti | gnucash is in universe | 04:07 |
| jbailey | Really? | 04:08 |
| jbailey | Hmm. | 04:08 |
| jbailey | I'd bet that gnucash probably has more users than xmms on Ubuntu systems. | 04:08 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 04:08 |
| rob^^^ | jbailey: I'd bet not | 04:08 |
| seb128 | pitti: what requires gtk1.2 to main? | 04:08 |
| pitti | seb128, jbailey: it's much worse: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5823 | 04:08 |
| jsgotangco | dunno almost every newbie ubuntu site i see mentions xmms as the most awesome winamp clone | 04:08 |
| rob^^^ | I think xmms is forever a engrained | 04:08 |
| jsgotangco | rob^^^, just like bluesteel! | 04:09 |
| seb128 | pitti: all the libs are a detail, that could come from one app | 04:09 |
| pitti | kicker-applets is scary | 04:09 |
| pitti | KDE uses gtk1.2 | 04:09 |
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| rob^^^ | honestly, I've had such a rotten experience with gstreamer that I think most people fall back to safe xmms | 04:09 |
| jbailey | pitti: Sure, but alot of those would fall away all at once. | 04:09 |
| seb128 | pitti: bonobo libglade0 have no reason to be here if an app doesn't trig them | 04:09 |
| Mithrandir | oh, this is cool, http://bootchart.err.no/ . With the new bootchart package, adding bootchart=upload will upload the image as soon as the machine completes booting. :-) | 04:10 |
| rob^^^ | although I hope it's going to be greatly improved with .10 | 04:10 |
| seb128 | rob^^^: you know there is a world between gst0.10 and xmms | 04:10 |
| pitti | seb128: it's mainly unixodbc, evms, xmms, kicker | 04:10 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: nice...but what about not having net access? | 04:10 |
| rob^^^ | seb128: I know that | 04:10 |
| rob^^^ | seb128: but xmms is "old" rhtyhmbox is "new" | 04:10 |
| jbailey | \sh: Don't chose upload then. =) | 04:10 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: then you can't upload, but will have to generate it locally, naturally. | 04:10 |
| rob^^^ | and when "new" doesn't work you go to "old" | 04:10 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: like it is today. | 04:10 |
| seb128 | rob^^^: you can play audio file with xine based app, with bmp, with loads of gtk2 non-gst app | 04:10 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, bootchart=upload,{normal|live|ltsp} to fiffernt dirs would be good | 04:10 |
| ogra | *different | 04:11 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: you know how people are playing with settings :) | 04:11 |
| seb128 | rob^^^: no, I mean that's not "either xmms or gst" | 04:11 |
| rob^^^ | seb128: I don't listen to music on my computer, and I know that Rhythmbox even has (or maby had) a non gstreamer backend | 04:11 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: yes, but it'll still generate the graph and stuff it in /var/log/bootchart. | 04:11 |
| seb128 | rob^^^: you have ton of options that work as fine as xmms and doesn't force you to use gst | 04:11 |
| seb128 | had yep | 04:11 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: hmm, good idea. | 04:11 |
| rob^^^ | seb128: I'm just asying that most people just don't care and go back to xmms because it works, that's all | 04:11 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: apart from the fact that networking is broken on the cd so far, but that'll be fixed, eventually. | 04:12 |
| jbailey | rob^^^: How are you measuring "most"? | 04:12 |
| seb128 | rob^^^: I doubt of the "most" | 04:12 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: but the timeout | 04:12 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: what timeout? | 04:12 |
| rob^^^ | I really do think _most_ users end up going back to xine + xmms | 04:12 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, at least i can guarantee working networking on thin clients (no internet, but networking) ;) | 04:12 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: it's run as the last init script, long after gdm has started. | 04:12 |
| Riddell | pitti: I think kicker-applets uses it for xmms controling | 04:12 |
| rob^^^ | well msot users who really want to listen to mp3s all day | 04:12 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: it needs internet, due to hardcoding of the address | 04:13 |
| rob^^^ | and most users who want to watch DVDs | 04:13 |
| ogra | yup | 04:13 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: ok..so the user doesn't see it | 04:13 |
| ogra | i was just kidding | 04:13 |
| rob^^^ | and that sucks and I hope it works really great with gstreamer in Dapper | 04:13 |
| jsgotangco | not to mention it takes a small amout of screen real esteate | 04:13 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: well, it will take a bit of bandwidth to upload, but apart from that, no. | 04:13 |
| jbailey | rob^^^: Again, I only wonder how you're measuring most for those. | 04:13 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: and I think that's fine, since people will have to enable it explicitly. | 04:13 |
| jbailey | rob^^^: Certainly the phone calls that I've taken from people for support don't suggest that that's the case. | 04:13 |
| rob^^^ | jbailey: look, I'm not about to send out a random mailing to find out what people do but I really think it's practically unusable | 04:13 |
| jbailey | But the number is statistically small. | 04:14 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: ok.. | 04:14 |
| rob^^^ | the fluendo folk's finally got together a test collection of media files though, so that's a big improvement | 04:14 |
| \sh | jbailey: <sarcastic mode on>It's only Linus</sarcarstic mode off> | 04:15 |
| seb128 | rob^^^: xine is a different matter of xmms | 04:15 |
| === ogra doesnt know any xmms users anymore ... | ||
| seb128 | rob^^^: gstreamer0.8 works pretty fine for sound, not for video | 04:16 |
| jbailey | \sh: That whole argument only bothered me because it missed the point that "everyone else does it this way" is a silly argument. People obviously like gnome, and people obviously like KDE, because they still have communities and do releases. It's sort of like how we know that slackware still has a community. =) | 04:16 |
| jbailey | (And that fvwm95 doesn't...) | 04:16 |
| rob^^^ | seb128: i've still had some problems with audio, and it's definately a HUGE step over what .7 was and I'm hoping .10 will really nail it down | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | hah | 04:17 |
| ogra | jbailey, it doesnt ?? | 04:17 |
| ogra | o_O | 04:17 |
| jbailey | ogra: Yeah, I checked the other day. Upstream has definetly orphaned fvwm95. | 04:17 |
| ogra | bah | 04:17 |
| jbailey | I can't remember why I was looking, but it was only a couple weeks ago. =) | 04:17 |
| \sh | jbailey: I agree :) well...Linus should switch to a paperless office :) then kde and gnome can remove the printing dialog for once and in the future ,) | 04:17 |
| rob^^^ | seb128: I'm not knocking gstreamer or saying that its dumb or a waste of time, it's definately great and it's definately improving and I'm fine with that. But back to the original point I think alot of people use xmms because it just works | 04:18 |
| rob^^^ | I don't have it installed, I think its ugly and hard to use | 04:18 |
| seb128 | I think many people use totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer | 04:18 |
| spacey_ki | xmms is really unfriendly | 04:18 |
| \sh | oh damn...it was all a fever nightmare... | 04:18 |
| seb128 | I'm really not sure that new user go to xmms | 04:18 |
| rob^^^ | but anyway we are all in agreement that gstreamer + totem + rhythmbox is the path of the futrue | 04:19 |
| jbailey | seb128: totem-gstreamer was fine until I wanted DVDs. =) | 04:19 |
| rob^^^ | seb128: average joe doesn't but average joe doesn't have a 100gig collection left over from napster that they listen to all day either | 04:19 |
| jbailey | seb128: So in that respect breezy was a huge step up from hoary. =) | 04:19 |
| seb128 | right :) | 04:20 |
| \sh | seb128: to be honest...totem-{gstreamer,xine} never worked for me...I can't play embedded avi files, I can't play embedded mpg2 files nothing..and external the same...I use mplayer or xine | 04:20 |
| seb128 | gst0.10 will rock the dapper world :) | 04:20 |
| seb128 | \sh: totem xine is the same as xine, no? | 04:20 |
| seb128 | just with a different frontend | 04:20 |
| \sh | seb128: normally it should be the same...but somehow totem screwed...but it can always be me | 04:21 |
| jbailey | seb128: I've found cases where xine is fine and totem-xine isn't. | 04:21 |
| jbailey | None in the last 8 months, though. | 04:21 |
| \sh | seb128: well I think it doesn't play together with my t64codecs | 04:22 |
| jbailey | \sh: t64codecs? | 04:22 |
| ogra | w32codecs*2 ? | 04:22 |
| maswan | btw: xmms was the only sound player I got to play sound on this system (alsa broken, oss kind of working) | 04:22 |
| \sh | jbailey: it's rot\sh for *censored* | 04:23 |
| jbailey | \sh: =) | 04:23 |
| jbailey | \sh: I was more wondering if someone had ported w32codecs to amd64. =) | 04:23 |
| \sh | jbailey: lol | 04:23 |
| jbailey | maswan: Breezy or dapper? | 04:23 |
| maswan | jbailey: breezy with custom 2.6.15 or dapper flight-2 | 04:24 |
| jbailey | maswan: dapper recently got another alsa update, so if you're still having troubles, it would be awesome if you could file a report. | 04:24 |
| jbailey | Yeah, do make sure you file a report. | 04:24 |
| maswan | jbailey: Ok, i will. Yeah, I rebooted after the alsa update and still had no luck. I'll report it then. | 04:24 |
| crimsun | which alsa update? | 04:24 |
| jbailey | maswan: Thanks. At this point in life, alsa ought to Just Work. | 04:25 |
| crimsun | (and we're about to get another due to the /bin/sh issue) | 04:25 |
| \sh | ok..another cigarette and then continuing my effords to clean my flat...even when I'm still sick | 04:25 |
| maswan | jbailey: Ok, it might be somewhat lacking support for hardware too. It is a fairly new hardware (as in needing 2.6.15 to see the sata hdd etc) | 04:25 |
| maswan | Oh, well. Off to that other computer for bug reporting with cut and paste instead of ircing. | 04:26 |
| jbailey | maswan: Then OSS really shouldn't work. =) | 04:26 |
| \sh | OSS = YouKnowWho Magic...dark, mysterious, and it will come back once in a while | 04:27 |
| seb128 | \sh, jbailey: anyway, as always is you guys have bugs and switch back to some other apps instead of putting them to bugzilla we are not going to fix those automagically | 04:28 |
| jbailey | seb128: I dealt with upstream on the DVD issue. As, I think, you asked me to at the time. =) | 04:29 |
| \sh | seb128: I can't report bugs because I don't have any legal playable source for linux | 04:29 |
| \sh | seb128: you will close the bug as "invalid because of t64codecs" | 04:29 |
| seb128 | jbailey: yeah, but you mentionned "I've found cases where xine is fine and totem-xine isn't." :) | 04:29 |
| jbailey | seb128: Why do you assume I didn't file bugs? =) | 04:29 |
| jbailey | seb128: Have you ever known me to just shut up about bugs I hit? =) | 04:30 |
| seb128 | because I'm subscribed to upstream bugzilla for totem (in fact was I changed that) and get Ubuntu/Debian bugs? :) | 04:30 |
| jbailey | seb128: With the totem folks I usually go on IRC. | 04:30 |
| seb128 | I'm on the GNOME chans as well *g* | 04:31 |
| jbailey | seb128: Then check your logs, dear. =) | 04:31 |
| seb128 | right, I sleep sometime :) | 04:31 |
| jbailey | seb128: Or don't care, since we're talking almost a year ago. =) | 04:31 |
| seb128 | I'll pick this one | 04:31 |
| \sh | oh wait... | 04:31 |
| === seb128 doesn't know why he asks for bugs, he have already enough without that :) | ||
| seb128 | s/have/has/ | 04:32 |
| jbailey | seb128: Besides, if you want more bugs, I've been pestering doko with OOo2 bugs. I'm sure he'd love to give them to someone else. =) | 04:32 |
| \sh | seb128: totem could not play fd://0 | 04:33 |
| jbailey | Is that file description zero or floppy zero? =) | 04:33 |
| \sh | no decoders found to handle that stream | 04:33 |
| \sh | which is mpg | 04:33 |
| Treenaks | \sh: I get that all the time, too | 04:33 |
| seb128 | \sh: the totem-mozilla stuff is known to be crap | 04:33 |
| seb128 | I was speaking about totem himself, not used from mozilla | 04:34 |
| seb128 | we splitted the package so people can uninstall the mozilla part :p | 04:34 |
| jbailey | \sh: Make sure you have gstreamer0.8-plugins installed. | 04:34 |
| seb128 | jbailey: no thanks ;) | 04:34 |
| jbailey | \sh: It's in universe, and includes a bunch of pieces that you really really want. | 04:34 |
| \sh | well..totem plays now the sound..but not the video | 04:35 |
| \sh | jbailey: so...by default you can't watch mpegs | 04:36 |
| jbailey | \sh: Sure. But first let's figure out which problems are gstreamer, and which problems are Ubuntu packaging. =) | 04:37 |
| \sh | jbailey: ok..with universe plugins this works...while xvid not which is normal | 04:38 |
| \sh | totem http://mtaylor.be/photos/albums/userpics/10002/montgallet_sav_mpeg_lq.mpg | 04:39 |
| \sh | very funny btw.. | 04:40 |
| \sh | and now..cleaning my flat | 04:40 |
| jbailey | seb128: ^^ Should he file a bug about that? | 04:41 |
| jbailey | seb128: Basically that the default gstreamer plugins don't cover everything that just installing xine does. | 04:42 |
| seb128 | playing this video works here | 04:42 |
| seb128 | with totem-gstreamer | 04:42 |
| seb128 | what is the issue? | 04:42 |
| jbailey | Insufficient plugins by default. | 04:43 |
| seb128 | right, but EPATENTS | 04:43 |
| jbailey | *shrug* If we can have xine in main, we clearly don't have that big of a problem with it. =) | 04:43 |
| seb128 | read ubuntu-devel list | 04:43 |
| seb128 | slomo has a xine package without ffmpeg and patented stuff ready to upload | 04:44 |
| jbailey | Ah nice. | 04:44 |
| jbailey | We're solving the problem by breaking the working one. =/ | 04:44 |
| seb128 | right :/ | 04:44 |
| jbailey | ah well. That will at least make it consistant. | 04:44 |
| slomo | the correct solution would probably be to fix the goverments ;) | 04:44 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 04:44 |
| crimsun | as long as users can click something in Add Applications to get it working, it should be fine | 04:45 |
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| jbailey | Well, it's add the repo first at the least. | 04:47 |
| ogra | g-a-i does that for you | 04:47 |
| ogra | its just a matter of clicking ok | 04:47 |
| pitti | BenC: here? | 04:54 |
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| BenC | pitti: yes | 04:59 |
| BenC | pitti: I'm rebuilding a new kernel that ignores the return value (printk's it) | 04:59 |
| pitti | BenC: oh, cool | 04:59 |
| pitti | BenC: I just wanted to ask whether there was still hope, or whether I should start with an userspace workaround | 05:00 |
| tseng | BenC: libata spewing garbage all over vts, well known? | 05:00 |
| BenC | tseng: depends on the messages | 05:00 |
| BenC | is it ata_piix? | 05:00 |
| tseng | a bunch of status crap | 05:00 |
| BenC | pitti: I think there is | 05:01 |
| BenC | tseng: are you using the ata_piix module? | 05:01 |
| maswan | jbailey: well, what can I say, xmms with OSS output works. I tried making mpg321 do oss output, but that just failed toio. | 05:01 |
| tseng | BenC: that doesnt sound very familiar, they're dell/intel laptops | 05:01 |
| jbailey | maswan: Make sure you only have one thing playing at once. You might not have a hardware mixer. | 05:02 |
| tseng | also at home, will have to look at module list later | 05:02 |
| BenC | tseng: ata_piix is an intel ata module | 05:02 |
| tseng | oh, then probably yes | 05:02 |
| BenC | tseng: known then | 05:02 |
| maswan | jbailey: Well, changing to alsa output in xmms makes it not work. Changing back to oss makes it work. | 05:03 |
| jdub | Kamion: ping | 05:07 |
| jbailey | maswan: Right, alsa might be separately broken. But that's probably what was up with mpg321. It might be conflicting with gnome or xmms if you still have it running. | 05:07 |
| maswan | jbailey: well gnome (as in preferences/sound) can't find any sound device anyway. it it shoudn't hold it open. :) | 05:08 |
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| HiddenWolf | seb128, Would it be possible to patch the "filetype unknown" errors of rhythmbox, totem etc to suggest installing $plugins? | 05:11 |
| HiddenWolf | seb128, that'd at least make the issue clearer for new users, and help curb things like automatix and marillat. | 05:12 |
| seb128 | HiddenWolf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyCodecInstallation | 05:12 |
| HiddenWolf | seb128, ok, nm. | 05:13 |
| doko | jbailey: seb128 blatantly ignored you about the OOo bugs | 05:17 |
| jbailey | doko: 10:34 <seb128> jbailey: no thanks ;) | 05:17 |
| seb128 | :) | 05:18 |
| \sh | so..the worst dust is just magically gone | 05:18 |
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| jsgotangco | ahh the business tour email is finally out | 05:33 |
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| \sh | oh what's wrong with this archive mirror: 82.211.81.182? | 05:44 |
| \sh | (points from archive.ubuntu.com) one of the RR ips | 05:44 |
| mvo | \sh: ask Znarl about archive.u.c problems, he will know | 05:47 |
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| \sh | Znarl: ping what's wrong with 82.211.81.182? Looks like it doesn't answer correctly anymore or no more :) | 05:49 |
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| bddebian | Heya folks | 06:16 |
| sivang | yo bddebian ! long time | 06:17 |
| bddebian | Aye, hows it going sivang? | 06:17 |
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| Znarl | \sh : This has been solved now. | 06:18 |
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| pef | hello | 06:21 |
| bddebian | Heya pef | 06:21 |
| \sh | Znarl: cool thx :) | 06:21 |
| pef | hey bddebian :) | 06:21 |
| \sh | GOD^Wbddebian :) | 06:22 |
| bddebian | Hi \sh!! How you been? | 06:23 |
| dholbach | infinity, lamont-away: do you have any idea, why libx11 has not been considered to build yet? | 06:24 |
| jbailey | bddebian: Decided you *do* in fact love us again? =) | 06:25 |
| seb128 | dholbach: maybe because buildds were down for the whole afternoon? | 06:25 |
| bddebian | jbailey: I have always loved you.. ;-) | 06:26 |
| jdub | seb128: don't bring facts into the discussion | 06:26 |
| dholbach | seb128: that's a clever answer | 06:26 |
| bddebian | jbailey: Actually I just came back to make elmo, infinity, and others lives hell again.. ;-) | 06:26 |
| siretart | does anyone know where the -transcoded fonts went? | 06:28 |
| siretart | fonts gtk1 look UGLY without them | 06:28 |
| seb128 | dholbach: it has built now | 06:29 |
| dholbach | ooh nice | 06:29 |
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| seth_k | bddebian, ahhh! you're back! | 06:40 |
| bddebian | Kinda. How have you been seth_k? | 06:41 |
| seth_k | good bddebian, just finished up fall semester and am heading home today :) | 06:41 |
| bddebian | Cool | 06:41 |
| \sh | elmo: please sync gnotime , knemo , ksynaptics , partimage , survex , netmrg , libcapsinetwork , libicq2000 from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes, thx | 06:49 |
| Diziet | Bah, looks like I'm defeated by ffox. I'll just fix a couple of those easy bugs and think about the complicated ones after Christmas. | 06:53 |
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| dilinger | oh man, that's a riot | 08:21 |
| dilinger | http://www.zwane.com/blog/?p=76 | 08:21 |
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| mdke | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 08:33 |
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| mdke | [...] ubuntu-desktop | 08:34 |
| mdke | ?? | 08:34 |
| azeem | are you trying to remove a part of ubuntu-desktop? | 08:35 |
| mdke | no, just a dist-upgrade | 08:35 |
| mdke | it's removing gnomemeeting, that might be it I guess | 08:35 |
| jdub | mdke: don't dist-upgrade unless you really know you want to | 08:36 |
| mdke | it was only X stuff kept back from a normal upgrade, so i thought I might as well give it a go | 08:36 |
| mdke | oh perhaps not | 08:37 |
| mdke | libgl1-mesa libgl1-mesa-dri libpt-plugins-alsa libpt-plugins-v4l | 08:37 |
| mdke | libpt-plugins-v4l2 libx11-6 libx11-dev | 08:37 |
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| jdub | so the only thing that needs libopenal0 in desktop appears to be rss-glx | 08:52 |
| xhaker | BenC, you there? do you know why ipw2200 in your kernels are not monitor mode'able | 09:11 |
| BenC | xhaker: I just build the source that I download, not sure why it would not be enabled (if in fact it should be) | 09:12 |
| BenC | maybe something to do with the firmware? | 09:12 |
| xhaker | i was thinking that also | 09:12 |
| xhaker | but the firmware is there, including the monitor mode ones | 09:13 |
| xhaker | could udev be "forgetting" to load then too? | 09:13 |
| BenC | does dmesg say it loaded it? and does it say it loaded the right one? | 09:13 |
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| xhaker | the firmware? i don't think dmesg spits anything about firmware | 09:14 |
| BenC | ipw2200 should say whether it loaded firmware or not | 09:15 |
| xhaker | it doesn't say | 09:15 |
| xhaker | but it does say something i already told you before | 09:15 |
| BenC | ah, you need debug enabled | 09:15 |
| xhaker | Warning: PCI driver ipw2200 has a struct device_driver shutdown method, please update! | 09:16 |
| BenC | that's a warning | 09:16 |
| BenC | doesn't affect operation | 09:16 |
| xhaker | i know, have you tryed compiling it without the struct? | 09:16 |
| BenC | you can't compile it without the struct :) | 09:16 |
| xhaker | ;) | 09:17 |
| xhaker | i'll enable debugging a see what it says | 09:17 |
| xhaker | brb | 09:17 |
| BenC | it's the shutdown method that is attached to the struct | 09:17 |
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| hub | hi | 09:17 |
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| BenC | xhaker: CONFIG_IPW2200_DEBUG | 09:18 |
| jbailey | sivang: It does a horrid job of it. | 09:18 |
| hub | apparently the latest kernel make my startup hang | 09:18 |
| hub | on "Locating and activating hardware" | 09:18 |
| xhaker | BenC, shouldn't i be able to just pass debug=1 to modprobe? | 09:18 |
| BenC | no, because CONFIG_IPW2200_DEBUG is not set | 09:19 |
| hub | kernel 2.6.15-8.10 | 09:19 |
| hub | I switched back to 2.6.12-9.23 | 09:19 |
| BenC | the compile time option has to be enabled for the runtime option to work | 09:19 |
| sivang | jbailey: ok, then I'll refrain from using it :) | 09:19 |
| BenC | hub: check bugzilla.ubuntu.com for similar reports for the "linux" component, and if you don't see one, file a bug | 09:19 |
| xhaker | BenC, so it think i'll have to pass :/ | 09:20 |
| xhaker | s/it/i | 09:20 |
| hub | benC I was logging in on Launchpad :-) | 09:20 |
| BenC | bugzilla | 09:20 |
| hub | ok | 09:20 |
| BenC | I don't use launchpad yet, until they put everything over there | 09:20 |
| hub | BenC: no problem :-) | 09:20 |
| BenC | thanks | 09:20 |
| sivang | jbailey: I see there another hacker besides Joey now, Craig Small | 09:22 |
| sivang | jbailey: (in dh'd made rules) | 09:22 |
| hub | BenC: bug 21127 | 09:24 |
| hub | BenC: what do you mean by "boot into recovery"? | 09:28 |
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| HiddenWolf | hub, select the second option in grub when booting | 09:37 |
| hub | HiddenWolf: I don't have grub | 09:37 |
| hub | because grub never worked on this machine | 09:37 |
| hub | I have Lilo | 09:38 |
| HiddenWolf | lilo then. | 09:38 |
| hub | LinuxOLD is the other option | 09:38 |
| hub | that is what I have booted with | 09:38 |
| HiddenWolf | hm. | 09:38 |
| HiddenWolf | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-k7 root=/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root ro single | 09:39 |
| HiddenWolf | that's the line for my rescue option | 09:39 |
| HiddenWolf | adjust for your kernel version and root location. | 09:39 |
| hub | boot in signle user? ok | 09:42 |
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| HiddenWolf | Why is dapper still getting new Firefox 1.49-RC3 uploads? Wouldn't 1.5 be more logical? | 10:23 |
| HiddenWolf | Diziet, Thanks for fixing bug 17461, btw | 10:28 |
| crimsun | 1.5RC3 _is_ 1.5. | 10:28 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, if the package isn't called 1.5, people won't see it that way. :) | 10:29 |
| crimsun | provide a patch for the cosmetics, then. | 10:29 |
| Nafallo | Accepted firefox 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-1ubuntu6 | 10:29 |
| Nafallo | 1.5rc3 is the package | 10:29 |
| HiddenWolf | Nafallo, nothing in that name says 1.5 final. :/ | 10:30 |
| HiddenWolf | at least, not to me. | 10:30 |
| Nafallo | well, it's not final. it's rc3 | 10:30 |
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| HiddenWolf | upstream is, right? | 10:32 |
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| HiddenWolf | but never mind | 10:33 |
| Nafallo | is final even out? | 10:34 |
| crimsun | 1.5rc3 is final. | 10:35 |
| Nafallo | http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/ says latest is rc3, which we have. | 10:35 |
| Nafallo | crimsun: how silly not to name it 1.5 then? :-) | 10:35 |
| HiddenWolf | Nafallo, http://www.mozilla.com/ does | 10:35 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, firefox switched from .org to .com to give it corporate credibility | 10:36 |
| Nafallo | lol, how... dumb :-P | 10:36 |
| HiddenWolf | Nafallo, not really. You can't sell services, too much merchandise or whatever from a foundation. | 10:37 |
| HiddenWolf | Nafallo, make the foundation own a company, and you can exploit yourself to the full extend of the law. | 10:37 |
| HiddenWolf | Nafallo, and companies like dealing with other companies. :) | 10:37 |
| Nafallo | HiddenWolf: huh? I was referring to mozilla.com/firefox, they've dropped /products in the url. | 10:38 |
| crimsun | HiddenWolf: a simple search will confirm that 1.5rc3 is 1.5. | 10:38 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, probably best to patch the name of the package then. I won't be the last that's confused. | 10:39 |
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| Tonio_ | hum........ | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | found a little problem with the latest kernel.... | 10:47 |
| jpatrick | Hi Tonio_ | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | tun device doesn't seem to work... | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | hi jpatrick :) | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | sudo morprobe tun && ifconfig -a | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | gives me nothing | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | as consequence my openvpn client doesn't work anymore | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | was the kernel build with tun option ???? | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | tried on 3 machines, same problem.... | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | can someone confirm that he has the same problem ? | 10:50 |
| mgalvin | Tonio_: you might what to ask that on #ubuntu-kernel | 10:50 |
| Tonio_ | mgalvin: k, thanks for the link ;) | 10:50 |
| mgalvin | np | 10:51 |
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| lucasvo | jdub: is there any info about the ubuntu-on-tour, will it include Switzerland? | 11:20 |
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| Treenaks | lucasvo: is Switzerland in Asia? :) | 11:20 |
| lucasvo | Treenaks: no | 11:21 |
| jdub | lucasvo: the asian business tour won't, because switzerland has not yet annexed itself to, say, singapore. though that would be an interesting mix, and i would fully support it if you decided to do so. | 11:21 |
| Treenaks | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsiaBusinessTour | 11:21 |
| lucasvo | https://wiki.edubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldTour?highlight=%28ubuntu%29%7C%28on%29%7C%28tour%29 < lol produces internal server error | 11:21 |
| Seveas | jdub, lol :) | 11:22 |
| lucasvo | jdub: and the swiss buisness tour :D ? | 11:22 |
| Treenaks | Swissness tour :) | 11:22 |
| lucasvo | By "Importance" or specific criteria - For example, Top Ten Cities by population: Tokyo, Mexico City, Sao Paolo, Mumbai, New York, Shanghai, Los Angeles, Lagos, Calcutta, and Buenos Aires. < definately not CH | 11:23 |
| jdub | lucasvo: i am coming to belgium soonish | 11:23 |
| lucasvo | By LoCo Involvement -Visit strong LoCo communities or perhaps places with low LoCo turnout. < not yet | 11:23 |
| Treenaks | jdub: FOSDEM? | 11:23 |
| jdub | lucasvo: oh, the world tour is something a bit different | 11:23 |
| jdub | Treenaks: YES | 11:23 |
| lucasvo | jdub: it is not that far from CH | 11:23 |
| jdub | my first fosdem | 11:23 |
| jdub | lucasvo: yes! so you should come to fosdem :) | 11:24 |
| lucasvo | jdub: hm, what's the difference? | 11:24 |
| Treenaks | hmm.. | 11:24 |
| jdub | lucasvo: the world tour was an idea for something slightly bigger, but we're splitting it up between regions and topics of interest now | 11:24 |
| lucasvo | jdub: a) I have school b) I don't know how to drive a car c) my parents wouldn't allow it | 11:24 |
| Treenaks | lucasvo: Brussels is a major train hub; Planes work too; | 11:24 |
| lucasvo | $$$ | 11:24 |
| jdub | lucasvo: hrm. same position as me. except swap parents for wife. | 11:25 |
| lucasvo | what about 22c3? | 11:25 |
| jdub | and s/school/work/ | 11:25 |
| jdub | lucasvo: so i will probably do some other things while i'm over there, and that could include switzerland - look out for another tour announcement, i might do another call for petitions :) | 11:26 |
| lucasvo | What will people do at the Conference? Classes on how to do important types of advocacy including: Lobbying governments; | 11:26 |
| lucasvo | *lol* | 11:26 |
| lucasvo | jdub: you could hold a talk at lugs | 11:26 |
| \sh | jdub: you're coming to FOSDEM? well I hope I can make it :) | 11:26 |
| jdub | \sh: and linuxtag | 11:27 |
| jdub | lucasvo: that's what the petition is for ;-) | 11:27 |
| lucasvo | jdub: where is linuxtag? | 11:27 |
| lucasvo | Karlsruhe? | 11:27 |
| \sh | jdub: well...actually I have to check if I have the time for coming to fosdem..eventually together with ogra :) | 11:27 |
| dholbach | Wiesbaden, I think | 11:27 |
| \sh | wiesbaden...new locations | 11:27 |
| lucasvo | ah, ok | 11:27 |
| mvo | oh, wiesbaden? nice | 11:27 |
| dholbach | good night everybody | 11:27 |
| mvo | have fun dholbach | 11:28 |
| lucasvo | wiesbaden, it is quite near to CH isn't it? :D | 11:28 |
| dholbach | merci | 11:28 |
| lucasvo | good night dholbach... | 11:28 |
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| \sh | lucasvo: na...it's next to frankfurt/main | 11:28 |
| lucasvo | \sh: hm :( | 11:29 |
| \sh | lucasvo: from basel I think 2-3 hours drive | 11:29 |
| lucasvo | ok | 11:29 |
| lucasvo | so 4h from zurich | 11:29 |
| Seveas | jdubuntu @ fosdem? | 11:34 |
| Seveas | cool :) | 11:34 |
| \sh | Seveas: Project "Dutch Weed for Jdubuntu in Beligium"? ;-) | 11:35 |
| Seveas | rofl | 11:36 |
| Seveas | I could arrange that :) | 11:36 |
| Seveas | it'll just remind him of the huge buttplug :p | 11:36 |
| \sh | Seveas: I mean jdubs "orange dress at ubz" was a message to the netherlands :) | 11:36 |
| Seveas | hehe | 11:37 |
| \sh | "This is Jdub Of Ubuntu, resistance is futile..we will assimilate you" (sorry jdub) | 11:37 |
| jdub | s/assimilate/inhale/ | 11:38 |
| Seveas | hmm, that calls for a little gimp sideproject | 11:38 |
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| \sh | "dum dum de dum *ubuntu* de dum dum dum *ubuntu*" | 11:41 |
| Simira | I'm alive again!!! | 11:41 |
| Simira | humtidum.. my desktop still blipping... | 11:41 |
| Simira | has anyone got any idea why my new arctic cooling freezer 64 makes my mainbord go "bipp" at random times? | 11:42 |
| \sh | "artic cooling freezer 64"? | 11:43 |
| Simira | \sh : cpu cooler for amd 64 | 11:43 |
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| Simira | or freezer :p or something. Really good anyway, except from that noise. | 11:43 |
| \sh | Simira: hmmm..It can't be so loud as mine cheap one | 11:45 |
| \sh | but only god knows why my body temperature is increasing again....the whole day it was ok...and now... | 11:46 |
| azeem | you're heating up for Friday night! | 11:47 |
| \sh | azeem: there is a difference between "why I'm getting hotter" and "my body temperature is increasing" | 11:48 |
| jdub | guys | 11:48 |
| \sh | going to bed... | 11:48 |
| tseng | badgers | 11:48 |
| jdub | i'm putting together a list of powertools | 11:48 |
| Simira | \sh : it's pretty low, it's just making a short "beep" from time to time. Like indicating a hw-error, which I can't find. | 11:48 |
| jdub | to revive the gnome powertools release suite | 11:48 |
| jdub | which i'm going to re-kickstart | 11:48 |
| tseng | im a powertool | 11:48 |
| jdub | here's what i started with: | 11:48 |
| jdub | * brightside | 11:48 |
| jdub | * deskbar | 11:48 |
| jdub | * devilspie | 11:48 |
| jdub | * gnome-launch-box | 11:48 |
| jdub | * nautilus-actions | 11:48 |
| jdub | 11:48 | |
| jdub | any suggestions for additions? | 11:49 |
| jdub | i'm thinking maybe tomboy | 11:49 |
| tseng | * openbox | 11:49 |
| jdub | tseng: penis | 11:49 |
| Seveas | tomboy++ | 11:49 |
| \sh | jdub: powertools in what meaning? | 11:49 |
| tseng | jdub: hm, resapplet? | 11:49 |
| jdub | \sh: like, rad utilities that crank up the gnome experience for geeks | 11:49 |
| jdub | tseng: hmm... | 11:49 |
| Seveas | jdub revelation (which has a funky applet now too) | 11:49 |
| jdub | tseng: bit boring. i haven't included netspeed for the same reason. | 11:49 |
| jdub | tseng: if the authors propose them, i might | 11:49 |
| azeem | jdub: deskbar-applet | 11:49 |
| jdub | Seveas: was ist das? | 11:49 |
| jdub | azeem: that's deskbar | 11:49 |
| tseng | he said deskbar | 11:50 |
| Seveas | password manager | 11:50 |
| tseng | (which is totally elite) | 11:50 |
| azeem | jdub: d'oh :) | 11:50 |
| jdub | Seveas: oh, the not g-k-m thingy? | 11:50 |
| Seveas | no | 11:50 |
| \sh | jdub: oh yes..."comical" a cbz/cbt reader so I can read my fav. marvel comics while I'm compiling | 11:50 |
| \sh | but I have to package it first | 11:50 |
| jdub | Seveas: hmm | 11:50 |
| jdub | Seveas: i think that's more of an app than a powertool | 11:50 |
| azeem | \sh: can you only read them whil compiling? | 11:51 |
| azeem | :) | 11:51 |
| jdub | \sh: more of an app than a powertool | 11:51 |
| jdub | \sh: looks rad though | 11:51 |
| jdub | powertools are kind of like extensions | 11:52 |
| jdub | strap-on missile-launchers | 11:52 |
| jdub | stuff like that | 11:52 |
| jdub | batbelt stuff | 11:52 |
| jdub | microcrack! | 11:53 |
| \sh | well..i'm only using tomboy vi and a terminal...and pbuilder...even with gnome or kde...which makes me not your customer but I'm thinking | 11:54 |
| Seveas | an apple dashboard like thingie would be nice | 11:54 |
| Seveas | which would be relatively easy to implement as an extension to gdesklets I guess | 11:55 |
| tseng | Seveas: ergh | 11:55 |
| Seveas | tseng, dashboard is coo | 11:56 |
| Seveas | l | 11:56 |
| tseng | gdesklets are not | 11:56 |
| Seveas | true | 11:56 |
| mdke | widely used tho | 11:56 |
| thierry | how can I take my gpg key, and get it in my chroot ? | 11:57 |
| Seveas | cp ~/.gnupg /path/to/chroot | 11:57 |
| jdub | thierry: cp -r ~/.gnupg /wherever/you/want/it | 11:57 |
| Seveas | jdub, sshfs is a nice powertoof | 11:58 |
| Seveas | tool even | 11:58 |
| Seveas | i'm writing a similar thing for gnome-vfs | 11:58 |
| azeem | isn't there one already? | 11:58 |
| mdke | what does it do? | 11:58 |
| Seveas | yeah, buggy as hell.... | 11:59 |
| azeem | somebody should write an interface between FUSE modules and gnome-vfs | 11:59 |
| Seveas | mdke, imagine: mount ssh://server/path /remote/server | 11:59 |
| Seveas | azeem, that's what I'm doing | 11:59 |
| azeem | generic? | 11:59 |
| azeem | cool | 11:59 |
| mdke | Seveas, does that help? | 11:59 |
| Seveas | mdke, sometimes | 12:00 |
| mdke | oh remote/server | 12:00 |
| Seveas | I use it a lot olready | 12:00 |
| mdke | i was gonna say I use nautilus for ssh transfers | 12:00 |
| Seveas | yeah, but not all apps speak gnome-vfs | 12:00 |
| Seveas | with this you truly mount them | 12:00 |
| mdke | aha | 12:00 |
| Seveas | mount computer:/// /somewhere even works | 12:01 |
| Seveas | it is of NO use whatsoever, but it works :) | 12:01 |
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