[12:03] dholbach, you're on it tho right? [12:03] yeah :) [12:04] ah well you can post about ubuntu-docs :) [12:04] people are sick of me already, announcing this or that, .. :) === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] but maybe i should sit down at the weekend and write a BIG post :) [12:05] you're the ubuntu love guy :) === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] thanks :) === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd [i=sjoerd@fire.ipv6.luon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] Kamion, around? === tseng [n=tseng@brandonhale.us] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd_ [i=sjoerd@fire.ipv6.luon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] good night everybody === sjoerd [i=sjoerd@fire.ipv6.luon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-253-187.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-71-241-137-209.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === _jdong [n=jdong@24.192.2.190] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] BenC: thanks === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-072-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] mdke, I think I heard that Kamion is going away for a few days [12:59] something about us being all insane === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fergus [n=frg@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] Burgwork, hehe, ok I've mailed him === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@207.55.180.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lllmanulll [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] Hey there, could anybody tell me where I can find bzr branches ? Are they stored on some URL, or should I just create a branch from a tarball (apt-get source) ? [01:36] lllmanulll, for what project? [01:36] many are at bazaar.ubuntu.com i think [01:36] well, any package in fact... [01:36] gnome-session in particular [01:37] hmm, is that for bzr or baz ? :) [01:37] i don't know [01:37] Ok, I'll try, thanks a lot :) [01:38] Hmmm, none of them are newer than july 2005, I guess there must be somewhere else [01:38] oh whoops sorry [01:38] no problem :) [01:38] Anybody else awake ? :) === storm [i=joel@200.213.44.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] lllmanulll, sure.. [01:50] Nevermind, I was told that most packages don't have bzr branches online [01:50] right ? [01:50] right. [01:50] hct will fix that someday [01:50] thanks :) [01:56] Kamion: flight 2 installer was alot more beligerent than usual :/ === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] tseng: Hi - did you see my comments about beagle? [02:21] mjg59: which [02:21] mjg59: (no) [02:22] tseng: Fails with an old firefox [02:22] yes that would be a problem [02:22] If it's built against 1.5, it probably needs to depend on it [02:23] probably shlibs or clilibs sucking [02:23] stuff that is invoked from managed code gets stuck in the twilight zone of depends: === tseng adds a hard depend [02:25] mjg59: firefox (>= 1.4.99), hows that catch you [02:26] tseng: Better, but then firefox can be upgraded and break it [02:26] tseng: Diziet is looking into solving that. Basically, firefox will provide: firefox-abi-1.5 [02:26] Then you depend on that [02:26] When the ABI breaks, the provides changes [02:26] I think ill cross that bridge when we come to it, then [02:26] file a bug if that happens please [02:27] Heh. It will :) [02:27] But yeah, will do [02:28] thanks. [02:29] if beagle goes through new in debian, is rejected and reuploaded.. [02:29] is the revision incremented? [02:30] should not be [02:30] unless the dev made more changes before realising the rejection [02:30] that sucks [02:30] ill just sync it with the same revision in ubuntu, then [02:30] MoM be damned [02:31] (i jumped the gun and synced the version that went into NEW) [02:32] i blame seb128 and dholbach for repeated badgering and related shananigans [02:38] hopefully the orig.tar.gz is the same, at least [02:39] mjg59: you wish is granted [02:39] ajmitch: im sure it is [02:40] tseng: Rock, thanks [02:41] nps === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487F7D1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] hi all [03:18] do you know if ubuntu/edubuntu should recognize 4GB of ram in a box? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] mhz: yes [03:19] just by running 'free'? elmo === Gman is now known as Gman- [03:20] mhz: yes [03:20] okis, thx === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnozamos@tor/session/x-48ea67a5b6f9ce73] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:13] elmo: ping === ozamosi [n=nnnozamo@tor/session/x-e714766b5adc7150] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgwork [n=corey@S010600131016cf6f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xkahn [n=xkahn@207-172-69-47.c3-0.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlje [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D1C52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D1C52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-227-134-29.dsl.renocs.nvbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-233-253.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:55] elmo : Can libdrm2 get promoted to main, s'il vous plait? === seth_k [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-240-174.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pherseu [n=pherseu@201.19.29.172] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pherseu [n=pherseu@201.19.29.172] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Fui] === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.17.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-205-157.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tux-rox [n=garrett@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:21] Quick question, anyone working on backporting or fixing Evolution-Exchange Connector for Breezy? It is pretty crappy and I am really trying not to use Windows at work to be an example that it is possible...... === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-247-249.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:27] tux-rox, is there a new version in dapper? what's the package name? [08:29] seth_k, of course there is a new version in Dapper, but I am worried about having to update the entire GNOME interface to update the evolution packages. It as a lot of deps, and I'd rather not break my system. The name is evolution-exchange I believe. [08:31] okay, I'll run a backport on it tux-rox, and we'll see what happens. It may be too greatly changed to install, but we can at least see :) [08:31] it'll be a few minutes building and then i'll upload it for you to try [08:31] evolution-exchange_2.5.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb is the latest in Dapper I think. [08:31] OK, cool. [08:32] yeah, that's the version that I'm building now [08:33] That would ROCK, as I really want this to go off and work without a hitch. People are already saying things like, "What's that on your computer?" or my manager saying, "You have a license for that right?" :-) [08:33] hmm, it prefers libedataserverui1.2-dev >= 1.5.3 and breezy has only 1.4.1-0ubuntu3 :( === seth_k will try with the old version and see what happens [08:34] Actually, the list of deps when I tried the dapper package was 23...... :-( [08:35] That's why it is totally understandable that we are not seeing a really motivated effort to backport large apps like this, I think. [08:36] well, loosening that build-dep made it satisfied, now it's just if it builds... which it may well not. But no harm in trying :) [08:36] Cool === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-160-68.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] yup, no go. ftbfs if I loosed the build-dep [08:38] and now you're looking at backporting a library, which is angry stuff, sorry :( [08:38] seth_k, I figured as much. No worries, but thanks a bunch for trying! [08:39] no worries, poke me if you ever want a backport (maybe one with fewer dependencies :P) [08:39] seth_k, thanks, I'll keep it in mind! === No1Viking [i=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir` [n=richard@d220-238-160-68.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0A11.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] good morning developers [09:21] good mornin' dholbach [09:24] hey pygi === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] Good morning === vuntz is now known as vuntz|away [09:29] mornin' pitti [09:35] Hi Pygi [09:44] dholbach: Hmm.. Perhaps clicking around on a couple of files in nautilus and fiddling with properties etc would be a good short test too? (just found a nautilus crash in flight-2 on right-click/properties/open with) [09:46] maswan: sounds like it [09:47] :) [09:47] pitti: what do you think about moving to dbus 0.60? [09:47] maswan: could you install nautilus-dbg and include the backtrace in the bug report? [09:47] maswan: (if it's reproducible) [09:51] mvo: fine for me [09:51] mvo: AFAIK it's already in Debian experimental [09:52] Diziet: you rock! (nss/nspr from firefox) thanks a million [09:52] pitti: yes, i have it runing here and beside the (usual) pain for the transition it seems to be working fine. I had to apply a amd64 patch though to make the debian/experimental version build. "long -> long long" otherwise qt4 complained loudly [09:52] mvo: so we need to change all dbus dependencies? [09:53] hal, g-v-m, gvfs, g-p-m, etc.? [09:53] pitti: yes, new api/abi === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] mvo: hmkay, if you want to upload it now, I'll care for hal/gvm [09:53] so far everything worked with a recompile, but we may have to change g-p-m and gnome-applets a bit (it uses the old libnotify interface) [09:54] not true :) [09:54] no? [09:54] afaik its prepared for the new one already.... [09:54] oh, nice (and even better) :) both? or only g-p-m? [09:54] i can only talk about g-p-m [09:55] I would love to ask one of the release team before to be sure that I don't do the upload at a inconvenient time. but mdz and kamion are on vacation [09:55] flight-2 is just out [09:55] we won't get a better time than now [09:55] mvo: and we'll also need the libsysfs2 transition [09:56] mvo: so I'd upload both at the same time, then get it through NEW, then rebuild hal/gvm against the new stuff [09:56] mvo : I'm pretending to be kamion while he's on VAC. Go nuts. Upload now, upload often. [09:56] (Also, I'm having a weekend right now, so this wasn't me) [09:56] pitti: ok, I do dbus, you do libsysfs2? [09:56] infinity: can you NEW? [09:57] mvo: yes [09:57] pitti : No, but elmo should wake up in a few hours. :) [09:57] mvo: I already have the sysfs packages prepared [09:57] infinity: can we have you after colins vacation as well please :) ? [09:57] mvo : You won't like me very much when I'm trying to do CD releases. Colin's a much nicer person. === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] infinity: heh :) === vuntz [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] hellas vuntz [09:59] vuntz: look at ubuntu-dekstop@ === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-101-134.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maradong [n=bhentges@213.47.179.227] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] dholbach: since you think the new live cd is faster, what do you think of http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/live-bootcharts/unionfs-squashfs-dapper-20051216-1.png vs http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/live-bootcharts/unionfs-dapper-20051212-1.png ? The latter is approximately the current live (+bootchart), the latter is with squashfs [10:06] Mithrandir: squashfs vanilla? [10:07] Kaloz: I just used squashfs instead of cloop [10:07] Mithrandir, woah, why does the adduser take this long ? [10:07] Mithrandir: if I can suggest smg, try squashfs-lzma [10:07] wow, Mithrandir, i'm thoroughly impressed [10:07] ogra: because it needs to read libc, perl etc, etc off the image. [10:08] ogra: it would look differently if I added a "chroot /target /bin/ls" before adduser, and you'd ask why ls needed ten seconds to do anything [10:08] heh [10:08] but it definately takes much longer in the second chart [10:09] also, this is without readahead or file system reordering. [10:10] and i wonder why your x configuration takes much longer than mine in ltsp, i guess we're doing exactly the same at this point of booting [10:10] oh, lzam would make smaller files and would be faster btw, too ;) [10:10] dholbach: Ah, good plan. I'll update the bug report with that. [10:10] Kaloz: cool, I'll take a look a it. [10:10] ogra: because my file system is way slower, especially seeks? [10:10] Mithrandir: use the patches from our svn if you want to [10:10] maswan: merci beaucoup [10:11] Kaloz: which "our"? :-) [10:11] Mithrandir, i dont think so... my nfs mount is slow as well ... [10:11] Mithrandir: OpenWrt [10:11] Kaloz: ah, excellent. :-) [10:11] Mithrandir: https://dev.openwrt.org/file/trunk/openwrt/target/linux/linux-2.6/patches/generic/002-squashfs_lzma.patch [10:11] Kaloz: just didn't have any project connection on you in my head. [10:12] Mithrandir: and https://dev.openwrt.org/file/trunk/openwrt/target/lzma/lzma-406-zlib-stream.patch [10:12] ugh, more kernel patching? Well, I'll build images and see how much we save. [10:12] Mithrandir, mdz's idea was that we collect all debconf stuff and calll debconf communicate only once to reduce the time it by about 10 [10:12] Mithrandir: yeah, I wanted to do nubuntu (eg. embedded ubuntu), just i was pretty busy with my own stuff [10:12] ogra: you don't have 100-150ms seek times, I hope. [10:12] s/time/time for [10:12] Mithrandir: well, about space savings.. prepare to be amazed [10:12] that really depends on the network load here ;) [10:13] Mithrandir: using lzma vs. bzip2 is about using bzip2 vs. gzip [10:13] Kaloz: I'm already in shock&awe about squashfs vs cloop. Only sad thing is squashfs is read-only, so ppc might lose out a bit (since unionfs is oopsorama on ppc) [10:13] dholbach: I've seen the translation (he sent me a private mail first). That's cool :-) [10:14] vuntz: that's amazing [10:14] Mithrandir: well, we had cramfs, then squshfs, then squshfs-lzma. we were shocked with the switch of squashfs, too, until we saw lzma [10:15] Mithrandir: since then, I dream of someone implementing lzma for jffs2 ;) [10:17] Kaloz: that'd be nice, agreed.. :-) === fry3632 [n=sbroeckl@p54869EDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] Mithrandir: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/patches/downloads/linux/linux-2.6-lzma-1.patch [10:22] for the kernel optionally === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] Kaloz: that's for lzma-compressing the kernel? === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-10-210.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] Kaloz: I don't think we want to do that, at least not initially. We're tight on space, but I'd like to not potentially break people's boots [10:26] Mithrandir: well, with squashfs-lzma you would gain at least 25-30% [10:27] that's 500k, which is nice, of course. [10:28] grr, where's keybuk when I need him? [10:29] 500K on a full cd? ;) [10:30] morning all [10:30] yes, but I just freed up 25MB by going to squashfs and you're saying that lzma will be even better, so.. :-) [10:32] Mithrandir: well, using squashfs-lzma for the full cd should gain around 100M imho :p [10:33] Kaloz: over squashfs or cloop? [10:33] over squashfs :P [10:33] wow [10:33] .oO(now comes the "holy shit") [10:33] :) === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] what's the svn-url to your repo? [10:34] yay, that would be awesome, my edubuntu ppc live already needs the overburn feature to fit on a 700MB CD [10:34] ogra: ppc won't get this [10:34] for the full repo? https://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/trunk/ [10:34] gah [10:35] ogra: at least not until unionfs is fixed there [10:35] ok, so some hope left :) [10:37] anybody know of a reliable way to check how much have passed since a user installed his system? also, how to set a question in our d-i, for enabling some feature or not? (by "feature" I mean http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup) [10:38] *time [10:38] sivang: including OEM, or excluding? [10:38] sivang, adding d-i questions is a big nono === shay|ubuntu [n=shay@bzq-84-110-15-197.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] Treenaks: hmm, good question :) [10:39] hi [10:39] hi shay|ubuntu [10:39] hi hi [10:40] what's up :-) [10:41] hey Pygi [10:41] sivang, or do you mean adding a debconf question to the package ? thats possible, but needs to be prio=low to not show up on installation ... [10:42] Kaloz: hmm, the lzma-406-zlib-stream patch is needed for what? That is, how do I generate the file system? === carlos [n=carlos@22.Red-83-55-109.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] ogra: well, we did thought about adding this to d-i at install time, so someone could "no" it by pre-seeding for mass installs... [10:43] Mithrandir: ah, forget that one. tha tis for our kenrel only imho :) [10:43] Mithrandir: well, there is a patche for mksqushfs in there [10:43] sivang, thats suboptimal, and Kamion will surely oppose it ... [10:43] Kaloz: that sounds better. :-) [10:43] ogra: I see [10:44] infinity, lamont: give back screem on i386 powerpc ia64, thanks. [10:44] sivang: check the creation date of a file created in both OEM and normal installations? not super reliable, but not terrible [10:44] jdub: /me tomboys :) === shay [n=shay@unaffiliated/shay] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] Mithrandir: sec, i point you the the original patches from Oleg [10:45] jdub: if we add HUB to main, does it mean it will be both in OEM and normal automatically? [10:45] sivang: only if it's in the desktop seed [10:46] jdub: ok, so OEM means base + desktop seed essentially? [10:46] sivang, if you want it installed, it needs to be seeded, thats what jdub meant [10:46] Mithrandir: http://oleg.wl500g.info/lzma/ infos: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=10612560 [10:47] ogra: ok, thanks [10:47] Mithrandir: and use the 2.6 kernel patch from our repo [10:47] sivang, adding stuff to main wont just install it ;9 [10:47] ;) [10:47] jdub: thank as well ;-) [10:47] Kaloz: thanks [10:48] ogra: sure, /me recalls. [10:48] Mithrandir: afaik newer version of the lzma sdk are even faster, I will take a look at those today === sivang wants to ask several question about implementation of notifications as well, maybe -desktop is a better place? [10:49] yep [10:49] Kaloz: it seems to require me to have the lzma stuff installed, which isn't packaged, but I could do that. [10:49] infinity, lamont: nm, seems to be in state building everywhere except amd64, where it's installed. [11:06] Kaloz: any idea if the 7zip patch has been submitted upstream? [11:06] Mithrandir: dunno === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [n=rpGirl@118.84-48-121.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- is now known as Gman === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.17.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:31] Kaloz: it doesn't seem to build, though. [11:33] well, works for us :) so the problem should be there somewhere [11:33] heh. :-) [11:33] I guess some changes have happened in p7zip in the meantime, then. [11:35] p7zip? we are using the lzma sdk from 7zip.org [11:36] the code seems to be the same, though [11:36] well, lzma406 works for us, as I've said, I will take a look later for the new versions [11:37] now I'm testing gcc 3.4.5, as that fixes a compiler bug with -Os [11:38] ah, we're using 4.0 === joe_oblivian [n=ellicit@pdpc/supporter/active/joe-oblivian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] Mithrandir: that had the bug, too [11:39] Mithrandir: everything >= gcc 3.4 [11:40] Mithrandir: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=22167 [11:40] does it only bite mips/el? === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] nope [11:43] I would think we'd dragged that in, given that it was committed to the gcc repo in july [11:45] well, we didn't, yet :) and maybe all the madwifi problems we are facing will be fixed with this (and/or our 2.4 kernel will be bootable with gcc4 after this fix) === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DocTomoe [n=martin@p54A948CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Devin__ [n=amesas@corp.prisacom.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === drakeoutlaw [n=ssaigol@203.81.213.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] hi all, is there an Ubuntu update for the ipw2200 driver. I need the 1.0.8 (latest) please [12:00] drakeoutlaw: i guess you'd have more success with filing a bug report, stating where to get it, what the problem is with the old one and why it fixes it === Gman is now known as GmanZZZ [12:01] I could use the source from debian testing can't I [12:01] What would it take to add alsaconfig to dapper? === carstenh [n=carstenh@p54A60627.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] drakeoutlaw, at your own risk, yes. :) [12:01] drakeoutlaw: i suppose that doesn't change problems for ubuntu as a whole [12:02] would module assistant work? [12:03] i mean would module-assistant work in the downloaded .deb file? [12:06] dholbach: wher does one file a bug report [12:06] drakeoutlaw: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com [12:06] dholbach: thanx === cassidy [n=cassidy@240-205.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === drakeoutlaw [n=ssaigol@203.81.213.215] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] hey seb128 [12:14] hi mvo [12:16] hellas seb128 [12:18] Hi seb128 [12:19] seb128: e-d-s still didn't build :( === vuntz is now known as vuntz|miam [12:19] pitti: get infinity to look why [12:19] ENOINFINITY [12:19] he said he would do that first thing today [12:20] EIMNOTBUILDDADMIN === DocTomoe [n=martin@p54A948CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:22] surely EFINITE? :) [12:22] heh [12:23] seb128, he just said he'd throw a hammer at it ... iirc ... he probably did :P === joe_oblivian [n=ellicit@adsl-1-251.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joe_oblivian [n=ellicit@pdpc/supporter/active/joe-oblivian] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === joe_oblivian [n=ellicit@pdpc/supporter/active/joe-oblivian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] hi everybody, I've an issue with the ubuntu-installer on ppc that has been going on through breezy and the two dapper flights. Basically, the ubuntu-installer refuses to read the apple partition map, even if mac-fdisk (from the shell)reads it correctly. I think the problem *might* arise from the fact I have HFSX partitions [12:26] If there is any ppc developer around, I'll be happy to send him a dump of my apple partition map [12:27] joe_oblivian: it's a known bug. [12:27] let me dig the number [12:28] fabbione: ok if it's known, it's okay. I've seen something in the forums but was not able to find it on launchpad [12:29] it's in bugzilla [12:29] isn't bugzilla imported to malone now? [12:29] Nafallo: would you hate me if i say i dunno? [12:30] i hope it isnt visible if it is ... [12:30] fabbione: nope, I just was under the impression. maybe staging or something :-P. [12:30] joe_oblivian: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20569 [12:30] would be odd to have it in two places before we switch [12:30] fabbione: ok and scusa :-) === Nafallo agrees somewhat with fabbione's Quake-comparison of launchpad ;-) [12:31] joe_oblivian: no problem :) [12:31] hehe [12:34] fabbione: it's a pity, I cannot install the dapper on my ibook :-/ === mpt [n=mpt@201-27-7-12.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tux-rox [n=garrett@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:37] elmo: please sync valgrind 1:3.1.0-2 from unstable, overwriting ubuntu changes [12:38] pitti, or whoever looks at alsa. I think you're interested in alsa-driver/incoming [12:38] it transitions to the new modprobe blacklists etc [12:38] jordi: we should get that automatically, but thank you [12:38] k [12:39] joe_oblivian, install breezy and upgrade ? [12:40] joe_oblivian: do you have the latest ibook from Apple? [12:40] joe_oblivian: the end of 2005 model? [12:40] ogra: it might not help at all [12:40] ogra: no the problem waas in breezy [12:40] hmm, hoary ? [12:40] fabbione: no I do have a 1.2 Ghz ibook from aug 2004 [12:41] joe_oblivian: you need to change the MacOS partition properties.. [12:41] ogra: well, I might try [12:41] joe_oblivian: your has journal+casesentive [12:41] you need to kill casesensitive [12:41] journal is fine [12:41] fabbione: I need case sensitiveness [12:41] hoary won't help [12:41] joe_oblivian: how so? [12:42] it works even without.. it's an extra feature for something i couldn't even figure out [12:42] fabbione: I have some code thet would needd to be rewritten if I do not use case sensitiveness [12:42] hm ok [12:42] than i guess you will have to wait for a fix [12:43] fabbione: I know.... I'd love to help testing any fix... [12:43] we have none.. [12:44] fabbione: ok, then maybe I'll wait for the AE driver to become stable enough and then I'll wipe tiger from my ibook [12:45] or maybe I'll try to install sid instead === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMoSnail is now known as slomo === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host86-143-88-239.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] is somebody working on gutenprint (#19891)? [01:37] elmo: can you please NEW sysfsutils 2.0.0, so that I can complete the transition today? === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] when you click on an email adress like a@b.com in a terminal, does your evolution(if it is running) start up once again as well? === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-205-157.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] pitti: ogra send me to you, since my upgrade to dapper, sound is broken. System->Settings->Audio does not let me choose my soundcard, the selector is empty. I have 2 cards, sblive and onboard nforce4 shit. I want sblive as card0. [02:00] pitti: How do I debug the problem? [02:00] siretart: do you have 5 minutes? I'd like to finish my current task before coming to this [02:01] pitti: no problem. take your time === vuntz|miam is now known as vuntz [02:03] whats the new splash screen uusing? [02:03] SuSE ;) [02:04] that gfxboot? [02:04] yup [02:04] nice [02:05] not really, the theme markup seems to be very weird :) [02:05] but the outcome is great, agreed :) [02:06] im using dapper, but havent updated it for some days [02:06] is it just in the install cd or after installed it will appear too? === yosch [n=yosch@clrglop216.in2p3.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] its in the install cd ... [02:07] we didnt change from usplash for booting ... [02:07] and livecd... [02:07] indeed :) === nomeata [i=jojo@nomeata.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GnuKemist is now known as OgMaciel [02:25] infinity: did you figure what's wrong with e-d-s build? === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] where's the server team? === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:36] Hi jbailey [02:37] moin, Martin. [02:39] hey jbailey [02:40] Herr Vogt! === ozamosi [n=nnnnozam@h27n12c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === usual [n=CSmall@rrcs-24-39-163-70.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:46] Not sure if this is the place to ask, does ubuntu plan on offering a directory services solution like the Fedora project has started? It looks very promising. === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] \sh, good morning (or afternoon for you)... can I pvt for 1-2 minutes? === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:37] <\sh> OgMaciel: sure...but be careful I have a cold :) [03:37] hehehe [03:39] Riddell: do you plan to ask for main inclusion of qt4 any time soon? [03:39] mvo: yes, it'll be brought in by avahi === pitti runs away when hearing 'main inclusion report again' [03:39] mvo: who do you ask? [03:40] Riddell: I was asking because dbus 0.60 needs it as well [03:41] hm, seriously, that's just another upstream version [03:41] I don't see a need to do a report for that [03:41] are we going to do dbus 0.60 in dapper? [03:41] mvo: does it even have a different source package name? [03:41] pitti: qt4 does yes === Raptoid [n=Raptoid@unaffiliated/raptoid] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:41] there's already a qt4 main inclusion report [03:42] Riddell: hm, that cries for 'RemovingDuplicates' [03:42] Riddell: if we have qt4 in main, can we drop qt3? [03:42] pitti: no, not until we drop KDE 3 [03:42] bah [03:42] qt4 is quite different from qt3 [03:42] mvo: what's the point of building dbus against qt4 when KDE uses 3? [03:43] mvo: could you please rather disable the qt4 bindings then? [03:43] oh, wait, then we wouldn't have any dbus qt bindings at all any more [03:43] pitti: why? [03:44] there are still qt3 dbus bindings (I hope) [03:44] me too [03:44] otherwise we'd be screwed [03:44] yes, we would have qt3 as well [03:44] I can disable it, sure [03:45] Binary: libdbus-glib-1-2, dbus-1-doc, monodoc-dbus-1-manual, libdbus-qt4-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev, python2.4-dbus, dbus-1-utils, libdbus-qt-1-dev, libdbus-1-dev, libdbus-qt4-1-1, dbus, libdbus-1-2, libdbus-1-cil, libdbus-qt-1-1c2 === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:45] there is libdbus-qt4-1-1, libdbus-qt-1-1c2 === Traxer|off [i=traxer@shell6.powershells.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:45] Riddell: is that ok with you too? [03:46] I *strongly* object against having two different qt versions in main, and used by other programs === seb128 wants the new cdbs [03:46] that only cries for trouble [03:46] seb128: buildds are offline [03:46] what are the damn buildds doing, they are in VAC? :) [03:46] indeed they are [03:46] well [03:46] all that is a plan to get me not working on my VAC day I guess :p [03:46] fine, /me goes for some book reading :) [03:46] seb128: You can help me hack on cdbs then. =) [03:46] mvo, pitti: it's ok for now but at some point soonish people will be releasing programs that use qt 4 so it'll be needed in main before long [03:47] seb128: I started Potter 6 yesterday :) [03:47] Riddell: hrm, that sucks [03:47] pitti: I'm reading the 2 atm and I really enjoyed the 1 (I enjoy the 2 as well) :) === seb128 hugs dholbach [03:47] pitti: it'll be quite some time before we can get rid of qt3 from main [03:48] Riddell: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=qt -> expect some security updates with doubled effort in the next three years... [03:48] <\sh> seb128: bah I read them all :) [03:48] <\sh> seb128: already :) [03:49] pitti: qt4 is an almost complete re-write, I think most security issue won't affect both [03:49] Riddell: do you know how long upstream will support 3? [03:50] <\sh> .oO(until all commercial clients switched to qt4?) [03:50] pitti: not sure but as \sh says they have several thousand commercial clients to support [03:50] so a few years yet [03:51] but maybe they support them via contracts, not by releasing patches to the public? [03:51] <\sh> azeem: I don't think so...actually the applications in OSS are much more [03:51] ok [03:52] <\sh> azeem: and there are some OSS KDE Guys sponsored by QT which they don't want to push away..or towards GTK [03:52] azeem: all qt is dual licenced, gpl and proprietry. they make the same releases as free software as they do to their clients [03:52] true === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:04] both gtk 1.2 and 2.x are in main, they are paralel installable; if qt3 and qt4 don't step on each other toes, they to can then be in main, no? (just my 2c, i'm a user, not a packager/dev) [04:04] ptlo: we are trying to move gtk1.2 out of main [04:05]