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| klepas | hi all | 03:03 |
|---|---|---|
| jjesse | morning klepas | 03:03 |
| Madpilot | morning everyone | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | morning | 03:03 |
| klepas | people not officially involved in the doc team can voice opinions and tag along, right? | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | of course | 03:04 |
| jjesse | of course | 03:04 |
| Madpilot | ...still dark out here... barely morning at all... :) | 03:04 |
| jjesse | grin 9am here, beautiful snowy december morning | 03:04 |
| jjesse | 4 inches over night | 03:04 |
| === jsgotangco misses snow | ||
| jsgotangco | who's here? | 03:05 |
| jsgotangco | do we have the numbers to actually hold a meeting? | 03:05 |
| jjesse | i'm here | 03:06 |
| jsgotangco | ok let's wait a big just in case | 03:06 |
| jjesse | doing an OEM install of Dapper flight2 and have had no issues this monring | 03:07 |
| jjesse | of kubuntu | 03:07 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 03:07 |
| jsgotangco | mine in ubuntu is just borked | 03:07 |
| jsgotangco | i have yet to burn the image of kubuntu though | 03:07 |
| jjesse | i love the boot screen | 03:07 |
| jsgotangco | but i'll be doing a good number of updates on the quickguide | 03:08 |
| jjesse | though how do you do a screen shot of it to include in the doc? | 03:08 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:08 |
| jsgotangco | it'll be great | 03:08 |
| Madpilot | jjesse: with an actual camera? :) | 03:08 |
| klepas | 01:08 here | 03:08 |
| klepas | AM :) | 03:08 |
| klepas | and 30 degrees | 03:08 |
| Madpilot | -1 C at 0609 here, and sunrise isn't until 0759... bleh | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | hmm we don't seem to have the numbers | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, -1 C isn't that cold | 03:10 |
| jjesse | where is everyone? | 03:10 |
| klepas | Canberra, Australia | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | klepas, we meant the other team contributors :) | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | hmm lots posted in the agenda but no one came :) | 03:11 |
| jjesse | jsgotangco: for release notes are we updatign just what has changed since the last release? | 03:12 |
| jsgotangco | have you seen DapperReleaseNotes? | 03:12 |
| jjesse | yeah | 03:12 |
| jsgotangco | there isn't that much but yeah i should update that this weekend | 03:12 |
| jjesse | have you seen DapperFlight2 ? | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | it should get packaged by Flight 3 | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | yeah but thats more of a marketing doc :) | 03:13 |
| jjesse | if somoene lets me know in time i can do a kubuntuflight3 page | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | but good nonetheless | 03:13 |
| jjesse | that would liook like that | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | its awesome | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | matt did good on that one | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | actually the flight 2 docs are very VERY good | 03:13 |
| jjesse | yeah but it would have been cool to have a Kubuntu one ready as well :( | 03:14 |
| jsgotangco | yeah let's fix that | 03:14 |
| jsgotangco | mdke seems to have convered good on ubuntu | 03:14 |
| jsgotangco | DRAKE IS A DRAGON AND KUBUNTU HAS A KONQUI | 03:14 |
| jsgotangco | =) | 03:14 |
| jjesse | cackle | 03:15 |
| jjesse | klepas: did you have something you wanted to share? | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | klepas, yeah dude good time to do so | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, what happened to Burgy? | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | work perhaps | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | ? | 03:15 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: he's a lazy SOB? ;) | 03:16 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 03:16 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, how's docbook treating you? | 03:16 |
| jjesse | Madpilot: stupid question you are working on??? | 03:16 |
| Madpilot | I'm not swearing at it quite as much | 03:16 |
| Madpilot | jjesse: I just did the BitTorrent entry for common-tasks.xml - not sure if that patch has been applied yet though | 03:17 |
| jsgotangco | yeah it can be a bitch sometimes | 03:17 |
| Madpilot | I posted it to the list last night | 03:17 |
| jjesse | Madpilot: i just get confused on who is working on what :) | 03:17 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, i'll patch it now | 03:17 |
| klepas | jsgotangco: sorry | 03:17 |
| klepas | multitasking | 03:17 |
| === jsgotangco searches for the patch | ||
| Madpilot | jjesse: you still available for Sunday's Desktop Guide meeting? | 03:18 |
| jsgotangco | we have a desktop meeting? | 03:19 |
| jsgotangco | WE'RE NOT IDIOTS UNLIKE YOU GUYS | 03:19 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 03:19 |
| jsgotangco | joke | 03:19 |
| Madpilot | we've been talking about one for Sunday - 1700 UTC I think | 03:19 |
| jjesse | i should be available | 03:20 |
| jjesse | hmm i'm -5 UTC so i should be out of church by then | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, slobs didn't apply your patch =) | 03:21 |
| Madpilot | I didn't think it had gone in yet | 03:22 |
| jjesse | didn't see it come across | 03:22 |
| Madpilot | I sent the email about 8hrs ago now... | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | no worries | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, next time we'll guarantee your patch gets applied in 2 hours or your money back =) | 03:23 |
| Madpilot | :P | 03:23 |
| jjesse | i'll double your money if its not applied | 03:24 |
| jsgotangco | and will even topup a fresh commit account | 03:24 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 03:24 |
| Madpilot | hmmm... if we're not going to have an actual meeting, maybe we should stop filling the -meeting logs here and head back to -doc? | 03:25 |
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| jsgotangco | speak of the devils | 03:26 |
| jsgotangco | holy diff errors Madpilot | 03:26 |
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| Madpilot | jsgotangco: hmm? what's up? | 03:27 |
| === jsgotangco reverts the doc first | ||
| mdke | hello all | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | its been a while since i patched the docs here better let mdke do it :) | 03:27 |
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| jsgotangco | lots of xref issues | 03:28 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, validate the desktopguide.xml | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | ohhhh | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, see? | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | =) | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 03:29 |
| jsgotangco | no issue then =) | 03:29 |
| mdke | any meeting action? | 03:29 |
| jsgotangco | not so much we were waiting for the o great packager =) | 03:29 |
| Nafallo | what meeting? :-) | 03:29 |
| mdke | Nafallo, topic? | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, we got lots in the agenda but no bhuvan | 03:30 |
| mdke | hmm | 03:31 |
| mdke | rob1? | 03:31 |
| Nafallo | ah | 03:31 |
| mdke | dholbach, around? | 03:31 |
| mdke | Riddell, around? | 03:32 |
| Riddell | always baby | 03:32 |
| mdke | heh, yeah true | 03:32 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, applied! 10 brownie points added =) | 03:32 |
| mdke | well how about we deal with a few agenda items? | 03:32 |
| mdke | the first two have been around way too long | 03:33 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: thanks | 03:33 |
| jjesse | back sorrry | 03:33 |
| mdke | dholbach, Riddell, has any progress been made on the "single source for (k)ubuntu-docs" issue? | 03:33 |
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| Riddell | mdke: not to my knowledge | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, whoa that was fast | 03:34 |
| mdke | Riddell, any strong views either way? | 03:35 |
| mdke | it would be nice, but I have no feel for the difficulty/triviality of what it would take | 03:35 |
| Riddell | mdke: I think it would still be nice since it would stop us having to do externals to the generic documents in kubuntu, but it's not a major issue | 03:35 |
| Riddell | wouldn't be that difficult, just takes doing | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | whaddaya mean single source? | 03:35 |
| Riddell | and I don't have time for it | 03:35 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, building both packages from the same source package | 03:36 |
| jsgotangco | right | 03:36 |
| mdke | Riddell, right, I suggest we remove this from the agenda and I'll take it up with Daniel when I next encounter him. If we can do it, we will. otherwise, in the meantime, shall we put the external back? | 03:36 |
| Riddell | yes, I'll probably do that today | 03:37 |
| mdke | great | 03:37 |
| mdke | ok that issue is dealt with | 03:37 |
| mdke | agenda item 1 is "toolchain for kubuntu docs". this was about using meinproc for building kubuntu docs | 03:38 |
| jjesse | i think we left that as undecided last time we tlaked about it on the mailing list | 03:38 |
| mdke | yeah | 03:38 |
| mdke | afaict I was the only one with an objection to this, so I'm happy to stand aside and for us to continue using meinproc, if no one else objects | 03:39 |
| === jsgotangco has no experience with it but heard its pretty good | ||
| Riddell | jsgotangco: it lacks xincludes is the problm | 03:39 |
| Riddell | problem | 03:39 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 03:39 |
| mdke | oh yeah crap forgot about that | 03:39 |
| Riddell | so it means that generic docs can't use xincludes | 03:39 |
| mdke | and the kubuntu docs can't either | 03:39 |
| Riddell | well nobody objects if edit kubuntu docs :) | 03:40 |
| Riddell | if I edit | 03:40 |
| mdke | no, but if people want to work on both, they'll have to get used to two different procedures, which is a shame | 03:41 |
| mdke | plus you've got the fact that include/excluding external things from translations is easier with xincludes | 03:41 |
| jjesse | if it is easier for translations will that make kubuntu docs more easily available in rosetta? | 03:42 |
| mdke | jjesse, we can make them available in rosetta anyway, but it is more difficult to specify what to include and what to exclude when you're dealing with entities rather than xincludes | 03:43 |
| jjesse | now i don't totally understand it, but wouldn't it be easier to just keep it simple? | 03:43 |
| mdke | well meinproc also has some advantages, as Riddell posted. So it's a question of balancing up. | 03:44 |
| Riddell | like working with KDE :) | 03:45 |
| mdke | Riddell, well i have few doubts that we can make the html docs built with the other tool work with kde too | 03:45 |
| mdke | the styling is certainly not a problem. | 03:46 |
| mdke | the issues were something to do with compression, right? | 03:47 |
| Riddell | compression and splitting up into .html files | 03:48 |
| mdke | xsltproc splits up into .html files too | 03:48 |
| mdke | can the compression be done manually, or not at all? | 03:48 |
| Riddell | it can be done manually | 03:52 |
| Riddell | it would just take a lot of hassle with the style sheets and scripting | 03:52 |
| mdke | Riddell, well I think it should be your call, but I'm really pretty against having to remove xincludes from the generic docs | 03:54 |
| mdke | is there literally no way meinproc will be happy with xincludes? | 03:54 |
| Riddell | I don't have time to do anything other than meinproc | 03:55 |
| Riddell | no, it doesn't support them | 03:55 |
| jjesse | Riddell or mdke is it somthing that one of you could teach me to do so i could take care of it? | 03:55 |
| jjesse | or is it just faster to do it your self? | 03:56 |
| Riddell | faster not to do it :) | 03:56 |
| mdke | well given that the breezy package didn't use meinproc, it wouldn't be very difficult to revert to that system | 03:56 |
| mdke | the question is, how bad are the breezy kubuntu docs? | 03:57 |
| jjesse | bad packaging wise? | 03:57 |
| mdke | yeah, obviously not content wise | 03:57 |
| mdke | are the stylesheets ok? | 03:57 |
| Riddell | you'd need to edit the KDE stylesheet to generate separate .html files then glue them all together with <FILENAME=foo> then compress them | 03:57 |
| Riddell | they're not valid HTML | 03:57 |
| mdke | why not? | 03:58 |
| mdke | how about we use the standard docbook-xsl stylesheets, and apply the kde css, like we do for ubuntu-docs? | 03:58 |
| mdke | would that help? | 03:58 |
| Riddell | all the <FILENAME=foo> stuff is in there | 03:58 |
| Riddell | no, the kde css is designed for the KDE xsl | 03:59 |
| mdke | Riddell, well it's not like it's complex css. It is basically just a few colours, I'm sure we can make any necessary tweaks | 04:00 |
| Riddell | go ahead, as I say I've no time for it : | 04:00 |
| Riddell | :) | 04:00 |
| mdke | again, ubuntu-docs looks ok (imo) | 04:00 |
| mdke | or if it doesn't, it will | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | go go go mdke ! | 04:00 |
| mdke | ? | 04:01 |
| mdke | tell you what | 04:01 |
| mdke | i'll try and knock something up, and we can see what it looks like | 04:01 |
| mdke | Riddell, is meinproc actively developed? can we bitch at someone about supporting xincludes? | 04:04 |
| Riddell | i don't think it's been developed for some time, hopefully it'll go away for kde 4 | 04:05 |
| mdke | hmm | 04:06 |
| mdke | well the ubuntu-docs stuff is definitely valid (x)html, so I'll try and knock something up that you're happy with | 04:06 |
| Riddell | groovy | 04:08 |
| mdke | anyone else still here? | 04:09 |
| jjesse | i am | 04:09 |
| mdke | any agenda items you'd like to discuss? | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | mmm | 04:10 |
| jjesse | not really, i know a group of us are getting together sunday for a desktop guide mtg | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | we're going to update kubuntu doc soon | 04:10 |
| mdke | cool | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, but we're not part of *that* group =) | 04:10 |
| mdke | i'd definitely like to discuss the xml/html question. There has been almost no discussion on the list about this :( | 04:11 |
| === jsgotangco trolls | ||
| mdke | proposal was http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-December/004486.html | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, i really like the way you did for flight 2 packaging both | 04:11 |
| mdke | with the exception of a thumbs up from mpt, I've seen no real response | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | because of that we can easily compare what is better or not | 04:11 |
| mdke | cool | 04:12 |
| mdke | any views? | 04:12 |
| mdke | I'm 100% in favour of html | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | translation issues? | 04:12 |
| mdke | there are no translation issues | 04:12 |
| mdke | obviously we'd continue to write in xml | 04:12 |
| mdke | the translations would be fine | 04:12 |
| Madpilot | so we'd continue to write in Docbook XML, but ship the converted HTML? | 04:13 |
| mdke | that is the proposal yeah | 04:13 |
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| jsgotangco | yes | 04:13 |
| Madpilot | I'm getting slightly more used to it :) but HTML is so much easier & less verbose | 04:14 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: offered to make my ODP into docbook for edubuntu, so I'll start docing finally | 04:14 |
| mhz | thx jsgotangco | 04:14 |
| mdke | Madpilot, but more inflexible :( | 04:14 |
| === mhz wrote that regarding translations :) | ||
| mdke | so any views on the proposal? | 04:14 |
| jjesse | i would prefer to continue to write in docbook, i've leared enough of it to continue using | 04:14 |
| jsgotangco | mhz, i dunno about translation the current doc that'll mean rewriting code | 04:15 |
| Madpilot | mdke: yeah, I know why Docbook is in use - there are actual good reasons | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | mhz, it would be ok if its a new doc though | 04:15 |
| mdke | yep | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | but not an existing one | 04:15 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: okis, no prob. | 04:15 |
| mhz | even easier then | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | mhz, translating an existing work is much easier (go to rosetta) | 04:15 |
| mdke | Madpilot, jsgotangco, jjesse, any views on the proposal | 04:15 |
| mdke | ? | 04:15 |
| mhz | indeed | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | i like the html css at the moment | 04:16 |
| mdke | me too, and the speed | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | its basically moz rendering right? | 04:16 |
| mdke | yep | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | even better | 04:16 |
| mdke | yelp renders in html anyway | 04:16 |
| mdke | but if we ship in xml, it has to do the conversion on-the-fly | 04:16 |
| mdke | whereas if we ship html, we do it at the build | 04:16 |
| mdke | hence the speed difference | 04:17 |
| jjesse | as i don't understand the packaging/rendering process the greatest yet, need to learn it, as long as i keep editing the docs in docbook format it shouldn't matter to me what we render in | 04:17 |
| jjesse | and i have never looked at the ubuntu-docs in gnome, haven't used ubuntu so i can't comment on how yelp loos | 04:17 |
| mdke | fair enough | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | yeah but you have to admit, yelp has improved on speed, but still not good enough | 04:17 |
| mdke | yelp is fairly quick at displaying html, just slow with xml, understadably | 04:18 |
| Madpilot | any idea when Yelp is going to get search functions? | 04:18 |
| mdke | Madpilot, no, but it doesn't make a difference to this issue, because yelp will be the help viewer, regardless of what we decide | 04:18 |
| jsgotangco | i believe upstream already has it | 04:18 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, oh wait sorry, i meant Printing support | 04:19 |
| jsgotangco | RAD | 04:19 |
| mdke | o.o | 04:19 |
| mdke | as jjesse said the other day, printing support is the most basic function ever | 04:20 |
| mdke | it really should have had that ages ago ;) | 04:20 |
| Madpilot | mdke: that's the last major piece of functionality missing from Yelp, so I was just wondering - as for HTML/XML, shipping HTML = faster rendering, which is rarely a bad thing... | 04:20 |
| jjesse | and search | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | khelpcenter had that years ago | 04:20 |
| mdke | Madpilot, yeah, i don't really see any advantage in shipping xml | 04:21 |
| jsgotangco | its l337! | 04:21 |
| mdke | also, the serverguide really has to be in html | 04:22 |
| mdke | because many servers won't have an xml viewer | 04:22 |
| jjesse | or viewable in text? if i don't have a gui installed :) | 04:22 |
| jsgotangco | bah! we only need vi! | 04:22 |
| jjesse | emacs | 04:22 |
| mdke | jjesse, yeah that's what I mean, html is viewable easily from the command line, xml isn't | 04:22 |
| mdke | any more views on this item? | 04:23 |
| jjesse | nope | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | bundle qemacs | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 04:23 |
| jjesse | nano | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, qemacs renders docbook :P | 04:24 |
| jjesse | ah | 04:24 |
| mdke | some more agenda items? | 04:24 |
| mdke | Cleaning unnecessary/unmaintained documents from svn repository (Bhuvan) | 04:24 |
| mdke | ? | 04:24 |
| jjesse | i think i took care of the kubuntu docs | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | don't clean up too much yet :) | 04:24 |
| mdke | i have no objection to removing documents which are unmaintained and are no further use | 04:24 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, what about edubuntu, what shall we do with that? | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | stay it for a while, i'm observing current work in bzr | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | as well my upstream gnome doc | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | promised mvo will update it next week | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | before we move it to his rep | 04:25 |
| mdke | can't that be hosted in gnome cvs? | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | because g-a-i will have a massive change | 04:26 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 04:26 |
| jsgotangco | let me piggyback for a week more =) | 04:26 |
| mdke | ok we'll leave ubuntu/upstream/gai | 04:26 |
| mdke | what about update-manager? | 04:26 |
| jsgotangco | not so sure if that is being updated | 04:26 |
| mdke | presumably this is upstream already? | 04:26 |
| jsgotangco | it was sean's doc | 04:26 |
| jsgotangco | can't say | 04:26 |
| jsgotangco | i could check | 04:26 |
| mdke | that would be good | 04:27 |
| jsgotangco | they don't eat that much space anyways | 04:27 |
| mdke | true | 04:27 |
| jsgotangco | until i verify i'll take responsibiility for the two | 04:27 |
| mdke | ok | 04:27 |
| mdke | i don't think saving space in there is a high priority | 04:27 |
| jsgotangco | nahh | 04:27 |
| mdke | daniel recently wrote a script to reduce the size of the source tarball by excluding anything that isn't used | 04:27 |
| mdke | that has cut it down from 30 to 10MB | 04:28 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 04:28 |
| jsgotangco | he can really conjure voodoo huh | 04:28 |
| mdke | :) | 04:28 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, what about your accessibility agenda item? | 04:28 |
| jsgotangco | well i haven't started that much on it yet but we decided to go wiki first | 04:32 |
| jsgotangco | once we clean it up, the a11y team can decide if its going in | 04:32 |
| mdke | ok | 04:32 |
| mdke | that was easy | 04:32 |
| jsgotangco | so far we're doing good on a11y | 04:32 |
| mdke | good | 04:32 |
| mdke | ok as for the 2 remaining items | 04:33 |
| mdke | the updating the status reports, I think just need to be worked on, we don't need to discuss it, unless anyone wants to | 04:33 |
| mdke | the sharing of prefaces, we can talk about on sunday IMO | 04:33 |
| mdke | since it is very much a faqguide issue | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | whats on sunday? | 04:34 |
| mdke | faqguide/desktopguide | 04:34 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, a meeting about the desktopguide | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | oh | 04:34 |
| === jsgotangco havent been attentive to emails lately | ||
| mdke | too busy :) | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | incredibly | 04:34 |
| === jsgotangco has a contract at the moment with IOSN | ||
| mdke | oh | 04:35 |
| mdke | how about another agenda item | 04:35 |
| mdke | commit access for Madpilot? | 04:35 |
| mdke | gets the +1 from me | 04:35 |
| jsgotangco | me too | 04:35 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, www.iosn.net | 04:35 |
| Madpilot | I'm not a Member yet - planning on that for Jan. | 04:35 |
| mdke | oh god this bloody member rule | 04:36 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, you're a shoo-in | 04:36 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, =) | 04:36 |
| mdke | pah | 04:36 |
| mdke | i miss ONE meeting, and you guys make this stupid rule ;) | 04:36 |
| jsgotangco | bah we had good quorum and a majority of devs | 04:36 |
| === mdke shakes head sadly | ||
| Madpilot | the exact time still hasn't been annoucned for the the Dec. 20th CC meeting - if it's another 1400Z meeting, I can make that and put my name down beforehand | 04:37 |
| mdke | gah | 04:38 |
| Madpilot | if it's going to be 2200Z, I'll be at work, I'm afraid... | 04:38 |
| mdke | don't they do them at 2000? | 04:38 |
| jsgotangco | yikes! | 04:38 |
| mdke | it is much more difficult for doc team contributors to get membership without having commit access first :( | 04:39 |
| mdke | Madpilot is going to have to wait until february or so before we can add him... | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | jdub's wife is also getting active in iosn | 04:39 |
| Madpilot | mdke: I'll just keep spamming the list with patches until then - and complaining about XML :P | 04:40 |
| mdke | Madpilot, ok, we'll keep applying em | 04:40 |
| mdke | meeting adjourned? | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | we got good mileage really | 04:41 |
| mdke | ok | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | why was the last meeting cancelled? | 04:41 |
| mdke | no one turned up | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | eh? | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | well i was in seoul... | 04:41 |
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| seb128 | where is herr holbach? | 05:05 |
| mvo | seb128: I talked to him some minutes ago, he should be here any minute | 05:08 |
| seb128 | k | 05:08 |
| mvo | seb128: how is your reading going? what book are you? and where :) ? | 05:09 |
| seb128 | I've not read, as usual when starting IRC, got stuff to do :p | 05:09 |
| Nafallo | dholbach says that he can't connect to freenode. | 05:09 |
| seb128 | I was going to when I remembered the meeting was 20 min later | 05:09 |
| mvo | what is the nice of j5 on irc? is it j5 :) ? | 05:10 |
| seb128 | yep | 05:10 |
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| dholbach | hi | 05:11 |
| dholbach | sorry, i'm late | 05:11 |
| dholbach | just couldn't connect to freenode | 05:11 |
| Nafallo | welcome back dholbach :-) | 05:11 |
| === dholbach looks around him, says "home" :) | ||
| jsgotangco | oh desktop meeting eh? | 05:12 |
| seb128 | lol | 05:13 |
| dholbach | so who's here for the desktop team meeting :) | 05:13 |
| mvo | ahhhh | 05:13 |
| mvo | welcome dholbach ! | 05:14 |
| dholbach | you were waiting for me? | 05:14 |
| dholbach | i'm so touched | 05:14 |
| seb128 | yep | 05:14 |
| mvo | sure | 05:14 |
| === dholbach sniffs | ||
| === dholbach is Daniel Holbach | ||
| === jsgotangco would love to be part of the gnome love | ||
| dholbach | ok | 05:14 |
| === dholbach looks at the Meeting Agenda | ||
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/MeetingIdeas | 05:15 |
| dholbach | so what do we have achieved since the last time? | 05:15 |
| seb128 | UDN | 05:15 |
| seb128 | thanks vuntz :) | 05:15 |
| dholbach | yeah, that was a blast | 05:15 |
| seb128 | now we have lot of new people on the list | 05:15 |
| seb128 | time to have rocking ideas on make the list active :) | 05:15 |
| dholbach | we should really focus on getting our crazy ideas to the list asap | 05:16 |
| seb128 | yep | 05:16 |
| dholbach | but it seems to hard to convert ourselves from the irc-centric approach we take, no? :) | 05:16 |
| dholbach | mvo for example could take the discussion about dbus/notify there | 05:16 |
| === Nafallo will have to read the minutes. girlfriend is demanding today... | ||
| === mvo is michael vogt | ||
| === seb128 is seb128 | ||
| dholbach | because that will something that will affect huge parts and if we can discuss it and get people involved | 05:17 |
| mvo | we will need to recompile a bit for both main and universe, seb128 already prepared a list for main | 05:18 |
| seb128 | 23 packages for main | 05:18 |
| seb128 | let me run it on universe | 05:18 |
| dholbach | 62+46 all in all (-1-1 and glib-1-1) | 05:18 |
| === seb128 kicks dholbach for saying crap :p | ||
| seb128 | 19 for universe | 05:19 |
| seb128 | 23 for main | 05:19 |
| mvo | seb128: do you use grep-dctrl? | 05:19 |
| seb128 | grep-available in fact | 05:19 |
| seb128 | with some | | to get source packages instead of binary | 05:19 |
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| dholbach | mvo: do you think there will be lots to patch? | 05:20 |
| mvo | so far everything compiled | 05:20 |
| mvo | but I'm not 100% sure | 05:20 |
| dholbach | cool | 05:21 |
| mvo | we may run into some issues | 05:21 |
| seb128 | is there a way to remove '\n' ? | 05:21 |
| mvo | otoh gnome is going to depend on it for 2.14 anyway, no? | 05:21 |
| seb128 | ie: for a file | 05:21 |
| seb128 | 1 | 05:21 |
| seb128 | 2 | 05:21 |
| seb128 | to cat it | sed 's#\n##' or something | 05:21 |
| dholbach | seb128: sorry, dunno | 05:24 |
| dholbach | mvo: we could write a mail to u-d-a and just go with it in a big upload over a weekend, so there's no (too big) breakage :) | 05:24 |
| seb128 | yeah, tr works for that :p | 05:26 |
| seb128 | "avahi banshee gnome-power-manager gnome-screensaver gnome-user-share gpe-contacts gpsd libgalago libipoddevice liferea network-manager power-manager thoggen totem vlc xchat-gnome xfce4-terminal xfmedia xterminal" | 05:26 |
| seb128 | for main | 05:26 |
| seb128 | "bluez-pin bluez-utils dbus epiphany-browser evince evolution gnome-applets gnome-utils gnome-vfs2 gnome-volume-manager hal ivman k3b kdebase libgpod libnotify nautilus-cd-burner notification-daemon pmount rhythmbox screem totem update-notifier" | 05:26 |
| Amaranth | whoa | 05:26 |
| dholbach | that doesn't look too bad | 05:26 |
| dholbach | :) | 05:27 |
| seb128 | those are the source rdepends of libdbus-1-1, 1 is universe, second is main | 05:27 |
| Amaranth | what is changing? | 05:27 |
| Amaranth | ah | 05:27 |
| mvo | nice! | 05:27 |
| dholbach | mvo: ok, so we try the breakage first locally and then shove it to the people? | 05:29 |
| mvo | good plan I think | 05:29 |
| dholbach | cool | 05:29 |
| seb128 | mvo: but what happens when new dbus hit the archive? | 05:30 |
| seb128 | apps are broken and need a rebuild NOW? | 05:30 |
| seb128 | binary package name change? | 05:30 |
| mvo | binary package name changes | 05:30 |
| mvo | so when dbus hits the archive nothing happens | 05:30 |
| seb128 | oh, nice | 05:30 |
| seb128 | clean transition so | 05:30 |
| dholbach | seb128: we do it the doko way: do a million uploads at once :) | 05:31 |
| mvo | but once we start building the first apps we need to be quick :) | 05:31 |
| mvo | yes | 05:31 |
| dholbach | we can split up and do it over the weekend or over night :) | 05:31 |
| seb128 | what happens if apps built with 2 different versions try to communicate? | 05:31 |
| mvo | of course we first need a building dbus *cough* | 05:31 |
| Nafallo | today!? :-D | 05:31 |
| raphink | slomo: could you advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1163 again please? | 05:31 |
| mvo | shock and awe | 05:31 |
| seb128 | we get 2 busses and they don't reach each other | 05:31 |
| seb128 | or BUM?:) | 05:31 |
| slomo | raphink: wrong channel ;P | 05:32 |
| mvo | in theory it might work, but in reality -> bum | 05:32 |
| raphink | oops sorry | 05:32 |
| raphink | :( | 05:32 |
| raphink | hehe | 05:32 |
| seb128 | mvo: bum like app crashing? | 05:32 |
| dholbach | seb128: isnt 'boum' the french way of crashing? ;) | 05:32 |
| seb128 | or just dbus feature not working fine? | 05:32 |
| seb128 | dholbach: yeah, but that's an english meeting :p | 05:32 |
| seb128 | haha :) | 05:32 |
| dholbach | :) | 05:32 |
| mvo | I had panel freezes for examples | 05:33 |
| seb128 | panel doesn't use dbus | 05:33 |
| dholbach | we'll see how it works out... a warning on u-d-a should be appropriate :) | 05:33 |
| seb128 | see my list :p | 05:33 |
| mvo | but some applets do | 05:33 |
| seb128 | applets should not be able to take the panel down | 05:33 |
| seb128 | I blame vuntz | 05:33 |
| dholbach | "should" :) | 05:33 |
| seb128 | vuntz|away: HERE, NOW :) | 05:33 |
| dholbach | haha | 05:34 |
| seb128 | mvo: anyway, 20 package is no big deal, with 2-3 people on it, it's a matter of one hour | 05:34 |
| dholbach | yeah | 05:34 |
| sivang | desktop team meeting? | 05:34 |
| sivang | or doc-team ? | 05:34 |
| dholbach | desktop, still :) | 05:34 |
| seb128 | guess? | 05:34 |
| Nafallo | those packages are only main? :-) | 05:35 |
| dholbach | Nafallo: universe uploads! :) | 05:35 |
| Nafallo | sivang: no, the docteam has to rebuild 20 packages :-) | 05:35 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: quite the same number for universe | 05:35 |
| Nafallo | yay! something for me todo :-D | 05:35 |
| seb128 | :) | 05:35 |
| dholbach | seb128: we'll set up a wiki page, where everybody can take his share of packages and we organize it, before we actually do it, does that sound smart? | 05:36 |
| Nafallo | dholbach: yes oh humble wikigod :-) | 05:36 |
| seb128 | that sounds not required for me | 05:36 |
| dholbach | no? | 05:36 |
| seb128 | 20 packages, I can give 7 to you, 7 to mvo and take 6 | 05:36 |
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| dholbach | yeah + universe | 05:36 |
| seb128 | and we are done in one hour | 05:36 |
| seb128 | the transition is small enough to be handled on IRC imho | 05:37 |
| Nafallo | seb128: do you have the list of packages somewhere? :-) | 05:37 |
| dholbach | *nod* | 05:37 |
| seb128 | but that's because I don't like to wait for hours on wiki every time I do an upload | 05:37 |
| seb128 | if you want to wiki stuff feel free | 05:37 |
| Nafallo | good point ;-) | 05:37 |
| seb128 | I'll ping you on IRC to update my uploads :p | 05:37 |
| dholbach | no, but just to share it before we do it :) | 05:37 |
| dholbach | haha | 05:37 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: I copied it like 20 lines up | 05:37 |
| dholbach | apart from dbus/notify we need to discuss how to get the pile of bugs managed - the situation is desparate since flight 2 | 05:37 |
| \sh | seb128: send the universe packages to ubuntu-motu ML :) | 05:38 |
| doko | seb128: do these packages need changes? | 05:38 |
| seb128 | hum, rather like 60 lines now :) | 05:38 |
| Amaranth | 11 minutes ago | 05:38 |
| seb128 | doko: that's a good point, a few probably | 05:38 |
| === sivang apologizes *again* for missing a meeting, there seem to be an exponetionaly growing number of them | ||
| seb128 | Debian is like to have the patches ready though, sjoerd was working on that yesterday | 05:38 |
| Nafallo | oh, I've feed universe + screem to apt-get source now ;-) | 05:38 |
| seb128 | GNOME is current dbus complient | 05:39 |
| sivang | what packages needs work this time nbesides merger etc? | 05:39 |
| dholbach | seb128: cool | 05:39 |
| seb128 | mvo: have you tried to rebuild stuff with your new dbus? | 05:39 |
| mvo | seb128: yes, some stuff, hal, pmount, gnome-media, nautilus-cd-burner, evince | 05:40 |
| seb128 | need patching? | 05:40 |
| mvo | no, build fine so far | 05:40 |
| seb128 | good | 05:40 |
| seb128 | I was expecting that for GNOME | 05:40 |
| seb128 | brb | 05:41 |
| dholbach | cool | 05:41 |
| Nafallo | ehm, I get 404 on the dbus orig.tar.gz | 05:41 |
| dholbach | where? | 05:41 |
| Nafallo | (apt-proxy -> archive.u.c) | 05:41 |
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| dholbach | hm, might be temporarily | 05:41 |
| dholbach | but all in all it seems quite straightforward | 05:42 |
| dholbach | as i said before, i'd really like to know, what you guys think about the bug matter | 05:43 |
| dholbach | i think that regular bug days are a good start, but what can we do apart from that? | 05:44 |
| sivang | dbus rebuild? seems fairly easy to do, where the package list? :) | 05:44 |
| dholbach | sivang: please read the backlog, seb posted it | 05:44 |
| seb128 | dholbach: bug days like every week or every 2 weeks | 05:44 |
| seb128 | but we need people available/responsive the whole day | 05:45 |
| seb128 | tracking what people do | 05:45 |
| sivang | dholbach: ok, thanks | 05:45 |
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| mvo | how many people (roughly) attend to bug days? | 05:45 |
| dholbach | i can't really tell | 05:45 |
| dholbach | since it's quite "new" | 05:45 |
| dholbach | last time there were like always 10 doing stuff actively at a time | 05:45 |
| seb128 | mvo: 10-20 | 05:45 |
| sivang | dholbach: what's the approach to not stepping on each ones toes when working on bugs? do you assign them to yourself for that? | 05:46 |
| seb128 | sivang: read the backlog | 05:46 |
| dholbach | sivang: no, we don't do that | 05:46 |
| seb128 | oh, not speaking about dbus | 05:46 |
| dholbach | we had categories of bugs mentioned on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay | 05:46 |
| Nafallo | dholbach: I can start dropping build-deps on libxdmcp-dev now? | 05:46 |
| seb128 | there is enough bug to not step on another one when picking one usually | 05:46 |
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| dholbach | Nafallo: if libx11 has built, yes | 05:46 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: yeah, was a bad idea to do that | 05:46 |
| === sivang reads | ||
| dholbach | like UNCONFIRMED ones, NEEDINFO ones, ... | 05:47 |
| dholbach | and people told what they were looking at | 05:47 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: fix the issue instead of workaround wrongly half of the world :) | 05:47 |
| dholbach | apart from that, there were people working on MOTU bugs (in malone), other on bugzilla, ... | 05:47 |
| Nafallo | seb128: indeed :-) | 05:47 |
| dholbach | i hope that our call for kubuntu folks, motu folks, other folks will get different people involved, so we can tackle bugs equally | 05:47 |
| dholbach | but surely, as a desktop team we'd love to see desktop-bugs@ fixed asap :) | 05:48 |
| dholbach | fixed/triaged | 05:48 |
| dholbach | it's a bit hard to get people working on bugs, they don't seem to have a special affiliation to it | 05:49 |
| seb128 | yeah, especially distro bugs | 05:49 |
| seb128 | we should make "specialized lists" | 05:49 |
| dholbach | seb128: the situation on universe bugs is even worse | 05:49 |
| dholbach | to be frank | 05:49 |
| seb128 | like "GNOMish bugs", "KDEish bug", "installer bugs" | 05:50 |
| seb128 | dholbach: I'm not quite convinced | 05:50 |
| dholbach | that might make sense, do you think we should have separate days for those? | 05:50 |
| seb128 | maybe not | 05:50 |
| seb128 | but have clear list during the bug day | 05:50 |
| dholbach | seb128: if i look at my universe bugs mail box that's the impression i get, they are assigned, but not triaged | 05:50 |
| seb128 | so people can focus on what they are interested it | 05:50 |
| seb128 | s/it/in/ | 05:50 |
| dholbach | yeah | 05:50 |
| dholbach | that definitely sounds good | 05:51 |
| seb128 | dholbach: malone generates a lot of noise | 05:51 |
| dholbach | :) | 05:51 |
| dholbach | yes | 05:51 |
| seb128 | I read new bugs on malone quite often since there is no assignee by default | 05:51 |
| seb128 | to figure where GNOME bugs are | 05:51 |
| seb128 | and most of the flood are your syncs | 05:51 |
| dholbach | i always look at the unassigned list | 05:51 |
| dholbach | ... first | 05:52 |
| dholbach | i feel that we need a separate team, maybe we should get t-shirts out to members of the "Ubuntu Bug Squad" :) | 05:52 |
| dholbach | people in #ubuntu-bugs surely feel "lost" somehow | 05:53 |
| dholbach | i saw that in the days after the bug day | 05:53 |
| mvo | some sort of reward will certainly motivate | 05:53 |
| dholbach | people were getting in and thought "hello, anybody here?" | 05:53 |
| seb128 | I was wondering if we should split bug days | 05:53 |
| dholbach | split in what way? | 05:53 |
| seb128 | like have desktopish triagging on #ubuntu-desktop | 05:54 |
| dholbach | mvo: we should talk to mark about that | 05:54 |
| seb128 | instead of #ubuntu-bugs | 05:54 |
| sivang | ok, so new dbus version? | 05:54 |
| sivang | :) | 05:54 |
| dholbach | but that way we will always have bugs not being touched | 05:54 |
| === sivang read changlog in the quickest way ever | ||
| dholbach | sivang: do you have a big irc lag? | 05:54 |
| dholbach | not meant to be rude, but we're talking bugs atm :) | 05:55 |
| sivang | dholbach: erm , I don't think so - maybe, why? | 05:55 |
| sivang | eh! | 05:55 |
| sivang | no , it's ok - my brain is lagging, not irc | 05:55 |
| seb128 | dholbach: right, but we can still have a part of the triage on #ubuntu-bugs | 05:55 |
| dholbach | it might sound stupid, but maybe we should talk bug discussions over there? | 05:56 |
| dholbach | mvo: any idea on those rewards? | 05:56 |
| dholbach | seb128: do you know of other bug teams around the open source world, apart from gnome? | 05:57 |
| mvo | t-shirts, a special thanks mail from leading comunity people (like dholbach) | 05:57 |
| mvo | that sort of thing | 05:57 |
| dholbach | haha | 05:57 |
| mvo | menitoning on a webpage | 05:57 |
| dholbach | that sounds cool yes | 05:57 |
| seb128 | dholbach: nop | 05:57 |
| mvo | or a minutes from the bug-day | 05:57 |
| mvo | with special mentinoing etc | 05:57 |
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| sivang | but people should not do it just for getting some reward or karma, as seb128 once noted. I think he's was right. | 05:58 |
| dholbach | we should raise more awareness of those people just getting involved | 05:58 |
| dholbach | like those "everybody look, seb128's first upload to the archive"-mails :) | 05:58 |
| seb128 | I didn't say that | 05:58 |
| seb128 | reward/karma can motivate people for sure | 05:59 |
| sivang | maybe we need to have a bugs day report, where people working were mentioned (even if they fixed bugs, of if they did not) | 05:59 |
| seb128 | but that's not a reason to make useless stuff only to get karma | 05:59 |
| dholbach | sivang: sure not, but people willing to contribute usually have contributions of good quality | 05:59 |
| sivang | dholbach: agreed | 05:59 |
| sivang | seb128: true | 05:59 |
| sivang | but t-shirts would be nice :) | 05:59 |
| === jsgotangco begs for one | ||
| sivang | I think that if we care not to make too much distinction between epople the take part in this day, we'll eventually get a nice steady community of bug squad people | 06:00 |
| dholbach | guys, do bug triage! | 06:00 |
| dholbach | i will talk to mark for every t-shirt personally | 06:00 |
| === jsgotangco will make sure to bring a poster of dholbach during WWE | ||
| sivang | jsgotangco: WWE? | 06:00 |
| dholbach | even if i have to buy them, i'll do it | 06:00 |
| jsgotangco | sivang, world wrestling entertainment heh | 06:01 |
| sivang | eh, :) | 06:01 |
| dholbach | seb128: we should do a nice t-shirt design session and i'll sent them out | 06:01 |
| dholbach | s/sent/send | 06:01 |
| Nafallo | jsgotangco: did he win against who? :-) | 06:01 |
| seb128 | dholbach: I'm not the guy you want to ping about design stuff :p | 06:02 |
| dholbach | so who of you will get heavily busy with us next week (21st)? and who of you honestly noticed bug day on 21st? | 06:02 |
| dholbach | seb128: thanks... we'll do it just fine :) | 06:02 |
| dholbach | big silence... sure, i understand... "blah... christmas presents... blah...", sure :) | 06:03 |
| dholbach | if, so if nobody has to say anything, we should move to other topics | 06:04 |
| seb128 | move | 06:04 |
| dholbach | what do you want to see in the desktop team next? :-) | 06:05 |
| dholbach | people seem to have high expectations in the team | 06:05 |
| dholbach | (hence the big amount of subscribers on the list) | 06:05 |
| dholbach | but it doesnt seem to be clear what people can do | 06:05 |
| dholbach | is that observation accurate? | 06:05 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 06:06 |
| seb128 | use the wiki to put task | 06:06 |
| seb128 | don't hesitate to use the list to raise discussion instead of IRC | 06:06 |
| seb128 | to ask for new cool stuff, opinion on it, etc | 06:06 |
| seb128 | maybe some weekly bug triaging stats | 06:06 |
| seb128 | how many bug we got | 06:06 |
| seb128 | how many we closed | 06:07 |
| dholbach | maybe i should do a day with s/#ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-desktop@ | 06:07 |
| seb128 | the top 5 of bug closers | 06:07 |
| seb128 | daily work discussion are not suitable for a list | 06:07 |
| seb128 | I think this page is nice: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/reports/weekly-bug-summary.html | 06:07 |
| seb128 | we should have a weekly summary for Ubuntu too | 06:08 |
| dholbach | i just thought about it, but maybe if we could take more of our usual workflow to the mailing list, people would have a "glimpse into what happens everyday" | 06:08 |
| seb128 | people like to see how things are going/moving | 06:08 |
| sivang | dholbach++ | 06:08 |
| dholbach | who are our bugzilla experts? jdub? | 06:08 |
| sivang | seb128: but also like to see them logged in a mailing list, when it's easy to go back | 06:08 |
| seb128 | dholbach: we already said that, and I tried to mail the list | 06:08 |
| sivang | seb128: oh | 06:08 |
| seb128 | I did for the session dialog, gconf changes, asking for the panel launchers and stuff | 06:08 |
| seb128 | dholbach: yeah, jdub I guess | 06:09 |
| dholbach | yeah, maybe i didn't try hard enough | 06:09 |
| dholbach | i'll try harder | 06:09 |
| dholbach | new pages on the wiki, new things we're planning "at some stage", ... | 06:09 |
| sivang | dholbach: make sure you send it to the list as well, and try to create discussion there | 06:10 |
| dholbach | sivang: i was talking about the list | 06:10 |
| sivang | ah ok | 06:10 |
| dholbach | that sounds sound | 06:10 |
| dholbach | mvo: you mail to the list first... dbus / notify stuff! YAY :) | 06:10 |
| sivang | dholbach: you said "wiki pages.." , that's why I Was wondering. | 06:10 |
| dholbach | it was in context to what seb said before | 06:11 |
| dholbach | seb128: you think jdub will make such a weekly-bug-summary happen? | 06:12 |
| seb128 | no | 06:12 |
| dholbach | *nod* | 06:12 |
| === jsgotangco starts journey to neverneverland | ||
| mvo | dholbach: I first need to make it build again | 06:12 |
| seb128 | but it's easy to have some standard queries to get stats and to include that to a weekly mail | 06:12 |
| seb128 | like UDN | 06:12 |
| dholbach | mvo: ok | 06:12 |
| dholbach | seb128: i'll look into it | 06:12 |
| dholbach | and set a big reminder every week :) | 06:13 |
| seb128 | dholbach: ask vuntz about it, he already did some stat on bugzilla.ubuntu like that | 06:13 |
| dholbach | cool | 06:13 |
| === dholbach hugs vuntz in absentia | ||
| dholbach | are there some other points somebody would like to raise? | 06:13 |
| dholbach | ok | 06:14 |
| dholbach | i think for a rather ad-hoc meeting this went quite well | 06:14 |
| dholbach | and it makes me happy to see, that there's always enough to discuss in ubuntu-dektop :) | 06:14 |
| dholbach | if nobody steps up to it, i'll write the minutes | 06:14 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 06:15 |
| dholbach | and send them to ubuntu-desktop@ :) | 06:15 |
| sivang | dholbach: also, make sure you send the stuff about what seb talked in the backlog :) | 06:15 |
| === sivang seems to have trouble parsing the backlog correctly. | ||
| dholbach | hey vuntz | 06:15 |
| vuntz | hey | 06:15 |
| vuntz | :-) | 06:15 |
| dholbach | vuntz: any points you'd like to raise for the desktop meeting | 06:15 |
| dholbach | ? | 06:15 |
| Riddell | I have a brief question | 06:16 |
| dholbach | Riddell: fire away | 06:16 |
| Riddell | what's the status of gstreamer 0.10 support in apps? | 06:16 |
| dholbach | seb128: :-) | 06:16 |
| vuntz | dholbach: no special points | 06:17 |
| dholbach | vuntz: unspecial ones? | 06:17 |
| vuntz | err. don't think so :-) | 06:17 |
| seb128 | Riddell: for GNOME most of them are ported | 06:17 |
| vuntz | ah | 06:17 |
| vuntz | don't forget to send new stuff on the list or to me so that it can be in UDN | 06:18 |
| seb128 | Riddell: we will ship dapper with gst010 no gst08, is that an issue for KDE? | 06:18 |
| vuntz | seb128: we could ship both if necessary | 06:18 |
| seb128 | vuntz: what do you think about doing weekly bug stats (how many new bugs, closed, forwarded, top 5 bug closers, etc) (like http://bugzilla.gnome.org/reports/weekly-bug-summary.html)? | 06:18 |
| vuntz | seb128: good idea | 06:18 |
| seb128 | vuntz: no we can't | 06:18 |
| vuntz | I wanted to add a section like this in UDN, btw | 06:19 |
| vuntz | seb128: why can't we? | 06:19 |
| Riddell | seb128: amarok will probably be ported to gstreamer 0.10 soon, but there's no plans for kaffeine to be currently | 06:19 |
| seb128 | vuntz: pitti will track me down :p | 06:19 |
| dholbach | vuntz: great! | 06:19 |
| seb128 | vuntz: anti-duplication front :) | 06:19 |
| vuntz | seb128: if KDE needs it, we can | 06:19 |
| vuntz | it doesn't mean GNOME will use it :-) | 06:19 |
| seb128 | vuntz: right, but better to not | 06:19 |
| dholbach | there's a bit of time until release :) | 06:20 |
| Riddell | yeah, I just need to persuade them that they'll look old-fashioned if they still use gstreamer0.8 | 06:20 |
| seb128 | vuntz: depending on what you mean "ship", we will not on the CD for sure | 06:20 |
| vuntz | seb128: not the Ubuntu CD, but if KDE needs it, it can be on the Kubuntu one. Can't it? | 06:20 |
| dholbach | Riddell: haha, that's the best point you can make, for sue :) | 06:20 |
| vuntz | but I agree it's better to have only 0.10 | 06:20 |
| seb128 | vuntz: yeah, no issue for that, it just has to be in main | 06:20 |
| seb128 | but pitti would be happy if we can move 0.8 to universe | 06:21 |
| seb128 | because main means we will have to support it for 3 years | 06:21 |
| vuntz | and everyone would be happy. Not just pitti :-) | 06:21 |
| seb128 | and upstream already stopped supporting it | 06:21 |
| seb128 | so that's like maintaining it for 3.5 years over upstream | 06:21 |
| dholbach | ouch :) | 06:22 |
| dholbach | if that gives answers to the question, we close the meeting, no? :) | 06:23 |
| dholbach | ok, meeting closed | 06:23 |
| dholbach | have a nice day | 06:24 |
| mvo | yep | 06:24 |
| === mvo needs dinner now anyway :P | ||
| === dholbach too | ||
| dholbach | lunch, dinner, whatever | 06:24 |
| seb128 | thanks dholbach | 06:25 |
| dholbach | thank YOU! | 06:25 |
| seb128 | mvo: at 6pm? that's early! enjou :) | 06:25 |
| mvo | seb128: it only means I can have a late one too :) | 06:26 |
| vuntz | hungry german people | 06:26 |
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| lamont | seb128: kicked | 06:57 |
| seb128 | thank you | 06:57 |
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