[12:03] siretart: I guess it allows about everything, at least the from: address can be specified [12:04] sistpoty: looks like: The caller may pass a list of ESMTP options (such as "8bitmime") to be used in "MAIL FROM" commands as mail_options. === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] JohnnyMast: reviewed [12:07] and ? [12:07] ooh reading... [12:10] raphink you think i should depend on debhelper >= 5.0 ? [12:10] that's what is recommended now [12:10] siretart: oh, you already fixed it... well then I guess I'll just leave it as it is now, and care for other changes [12:10] I use >>5 [12:10] ok thanks [12:10] yes me 2 [12:10] 5.0.7 [12:10] good night ! [12:10] oh well if you want ;) [12:10] gn kos_tom [12:11] ok === siretart urgently needs some sleem [12:11] sleep [12:11] cu tomorrow then! [12:12] gn8 siretart === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:12] raphink can you vote as well ? [12:13] what do you mean JohnnyMast ? [12:13] advocate [12:13] I cannot advocate if that's what wyou mean [12:13] technically I can, but I am not allowed to, since I'm not a MOTU [12:13] ok, but your help is very welcome my friend [12:13] gn siretart [12:13] :) [12:14] it helps me improof the quality of the package [12:14] sur [12:14] sure [12:14] and believe it or not, reviewing packages also teaches me a lot about packaging :) [12:14] speaking of packing [12:15] i should repack my own ftpd [12:15] the current packing is a laugh [12:15] on view of even me would make me gigle [12:15] and enum the errors [12:15] really? [12:16] yeah its all hard coded [12:16] let me link you [12:16] well the thing is that it must be a merge from debian I guess === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] hi Kyral [12:18] raphink http://sourceforge.net/projects/eftd [12:18] oh this is a package you found there and that is not included in ubuntu yet? [12:19] this is it ... http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/eftd/extreme/debian/ [12:19] no [12:19] its what icoded [12:19] *coded [12:19] oh well then [12:19] you can package it [12:19] and NOT ready for any os [12:19] why? [12:19] well the core is stable [12:20] but it has litle bugs [12:20] ok [12:20] when i want it in ubuntu/debian what ever i make sure its stable [12:20] it's not in debian either [12:20] our team has some other software (wich im also planning to pack for ubuntu) in fedora and gentoo [12:20] yes, thats right :) [12:21] Team? [12:21] who [12:21] what team? [12:21] rosiello [12:21] www.rosiello.org [12:21] when you see rave on that site [12:21] its me === tseng [n=tseng@brandonhale.us] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] ooo [12:22] and rosiello.net == my own domain [12:22] that's not W3C-compliant at all ;) [12:22] pfft [12:23] Bah! [12:23] i have something on my TODO that will rock ubuntu`s CMS`es [12:23] well heh [12:23] Screw W3C compliance :D [12:23] there are bugs with the page on konqueror [12:23] 100% w3 and good for comunity`s [12:24] i used to host a comunity on that software [12:24] what is that JohnnyMast ? [12:24] Kyral: now I will forever associate you with IE :-P. [12:24] its edge [12:24] Nafallo: hell no! [12:24] Noo!! [12:24] the cms that neworder.box.sk uses [12:24] Thats a fate worse than death! Or no Internet! [12:24] Nafallo: haha [12:24] hehe [12:24] I'll be good! I promise! [12:24] you wanted it, you got it ;) [12:25] Nafallo thats an insult in a room of unix geeks [12:25] JohnnyMast: yea, I know :-) [12:25] :p [12:25] but that comment deserved it ;-) [12:26] I Darn You To Heck! ;P [12:26] my girlfriend almost got called windows by me yesterday ;-) [12:26] OUCH [12:26] no sex in some weeks :-/ [12:26] Them's fighting words ;P === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] What Windows doesn't put out either? [12:26] ;P [12:27] Nafallo you need to study this word "libsex" [12:27] keeps ur mind of of windows [12:27] holy cow there is actually a libsexy1 package [12:27] :) [12:28] thats the linux version of i love you [12:28] the love bug :p [12:28] :-) [12:28] baah, she'll get over it :-P [12:29] my parents bought us a new bed in early xmas present today so... ;-) [12:29] guys [12:29] question [12:29] are you supposed to drink maliboo mixed ? [12:29] lol [12:29] Nafallo: man mount? ;P [12:29] because im drinking some heavy stuff here === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] Kyral: baah. just because I lost virginity after starting to use linux :-P [12:30] good night everybody [12:30] dholbach: gnight mate, see you tomorrow :-). [12:30] dholbach gn [12:30] see you... *yawn* [12:30] dholbach thanks for ur review btw ! [12:30] Nafallo: roflmao [12:30] great job [12:30] de rien [12:31] de rien ? [12:31] "anytime" [12:31] "you're welcome" [12:31] ooh ok [12:31] sleep well [12:31] c'est franais :) [12:31] you too... later :) [12:32] ik ben nederlands [12:32] now that we are talking about nationality`s [12:32] gn dholbach [12:32] JohnnyMast: dholbach is german :-). [12:32] he just talks to much to seb128 :-P [12:32] hehe [12:32] ur breaking my pride here [12:33] :/ [12:33] je bin van de niederlanden JohnnyMast ? [12:33] raphink thats dholbach language [12:33] gerrman [12:34] hmm [12:34] no [12:34] yes [12:34] in german it would be [12:34] du bist von etc... [12:34] je ben van ... is dutch [12:34] ich bin her flick [12:34] or so I think === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:35] raphink your correct sentence in dutch was [12:35] je komt uit nederland JohnnyMast ? [12:35] ok [12:35] ehm [12:35] I still have to learn ;) [12:35] that was somethign in between ;) [12:35] hehe [12:35] *wave* :) [12:35] Nafallo: and where are you from? [12:35] tsch [12:35] raphink: Sweden :-) [12:35] zu spt [12:35] raphink we dont use unlouds [12:36] ah :) [12:36] its just plain abc for holland [12:36] yes JohnnyMast I know that [12:36] anyone else got an unsubscribe mail to universe-bugs? [12:36] we are the easy ppl [12:36] Nafallo yep [12:36] me as well [12:36] no Nafallo, inte jag [12:36] swedish ! [12:36] ick [12:36] well `no' is not swedish I think [12:37] jag jag jag [12:37] eh don't make fun :p [12:37] it's nej on swedish :-) [12:37] JohnnyMast: you you you ;-) [12:37] You have been unsubscribed from the Motu-reviewers mailing list [12:38] :( [12:38] Nafallo: no it's `je je je' [12:38] raphink: yea. seems universe-bugs is unsubscribed from there then ;-) [12:38] met u u u [12:39] Nafallo: yes, according to what we discussed lately on #ubuntu-meeting [12:39] ;) [12:39] ooo [12:40] oh [12:40] I've must have missed that. [12:40] I had no idea asking for approval on the LP group would sent a bug [12:40] lol [12:40] Nafallo: yeah I guess ;) [12:40] but \sh sent reports to the motu list [12:40] rapthink im en exploatren med l , vem frena jag? [12:41] yeah yeah, sure [12:41] swedish [12:41] heel goed, JohnnyMast [12:41] w0w [12:41] bara bra [12:41] very good for you as well [12:41] :p [12:41] im a developer with beer, who joins me ? [12:41] lol [12:41] nope, not swedish :-P [12:42] yep ;) === sistpoty is just enjoying a leichtes weizen (wheat bear with reduced alcohol) [12:42] acording to http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?url=http%3A%2F%2F&type=text&text=im+a+developer+with+beer%2C+who+joins+me+%3F&from=eng&to=swe it is [12:42] swenglish [12:42] for the most [12:42] ;) [12:42] swengilish [12:42] JohnnyMast: since when do machines decide what swedish is ? [12:42] where are you from sistpoty ? [12:43] deutschland auch? [12:43] raphink: germany/near nuremberg [12:43] genau [12:43] ach gut :) [12:43] raphink since a machine rasied me [12:43] i trust them [12:43] vielen Deutschen hier [12:43] nein [12:43] llol [12:43] ich unter Moritz [12:44] wat zagst u ? [12:44] (his jabber name) [12:44] how terrible is this? [12:44] lol [12:44] its okey :) [12:44] du ist besser then ich [12:45] anyway, gnight guys [12:45] see ^^^ thats wrong already [12:45] ik wiess dat niet [12:45] night Nafallo_away [12:45] gnNafallo [12:45] i still dont know if you have to mix maliboo [12:45] lol [12:45] I'd like to learn dutch but there's no dutch channel on tv [12:45] im still drinking it pure [12:45] hehe [12:46] raphink when you learn dutch ttb is a package for you [12:46] it shows whats on tonight on tv [12:46] oh ok [12:46] and the news and stocks etc ... [12:46] well I know dutch tv stream son the internet [12:46] but I prefer to watch the real tv [12:46] yeah me to [12:47] BUT [12:47] in a few days [12:47] mr /me boards a airplain [12:47] to go british and maybe 2600`ish [12:47] echt? [12:47] yes [12:48] im heading to the UK baby [12:48] and ship some ubuntu cd`s [12:48] goed :) [12:48] what for? [12:48] haha [12:48] to my PRO freebsd girl [12:48] yes that's a must [12:48] see i have a unix chick [12:48] but [12:48] freebsdgirl.com ? :P [12:48] :( freebsd [12:48] McFergus: lol [12:49] im gonna make her horney all over my desktop [12:49] huh that even exists !! [12:49] and further upstairs [12:49] yap.. [12:49] is that the promo site [12:49] and she's even hot [12:49] with the pictures ?? [12:49] as the linux chicks ? === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-072-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:51] speaking of funny domains [12:51] wich domain did you think i registered for my ircd ? === ajmitch returns [12:52] hey ajmitch [12:52] i registered anircd.com [12:52] so is called the project -.com [12:52] so? [12:52] raphink: debhelper can't be in Build-Depends-Indep for good reasons [12:52] its a fun domain realy [12:53] ajmitch: why? [12:53] ajmitch: but then that gives a lintian warning on build-depends without arch === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:53] raphink: because items in the clean target (dh_clean) are called before the indep b-d [12:53] are fulfulled [12:54] hmmm [12:54] so? [12:55] so it must be in Build-Depends [12:55] good i was still awake to read this [12:55] i changed it back with all do respectraphink [12:55] **i changed it back with all do respect raphink [12:56] sure JohnnyMast [12:56] :) [12:56] I'm learning everyday :) [12:56] well every hour even [12:56] raphink same here [12:56] and i can gues you can even recall me entering here [12:57] you learn quiite quick here [12:57] raphink: I can dig up the threads on debian-devel about it :) [12:57] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/12/msg01806.html [12:57] that's ok ajmitch [12:57] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/12/msg01805.html [12:57] so that means that when we use cdbs and debhelper with _all_ packages [12:57] we need to have both depends and depends-indep ? [12:59] I think so [12:59] before we go around changing things I'd better check this out [12:59] to make sure I don't give people bad info ;) [12:59] mhm [01:00] well that would mean I'd have to modify some of my packages aswell [01:00] sure [01:00] I think that functionally it's not a problem, as the buildds work without it :) === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] otherwise we'd see large archive breakage [01:00] yep [01:01] what are the bugs he's talking about then? [01:01] but policy states that Build-Depends for clean target [01:01] Build-Depends-Indep doesn't cover the clean target [01:01] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=216747 === Fergus [n=frg@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] oh [01:02] that's _if_ you're using debhelper in your clean target [01:02] which is not always the case [01:02] most of the time, we just use rm in the clean target [01:02] not dh_stuff [01:02] um [01:02] we often use dh_clean [01:02] it is very common to use it [01:02] hmm right [01:02] mhm [01:03] and does cdbs use it too? [01:03] basically *anything* in the clean: target should be in Build-Depends [01:03] yes [01:03] or does cdbs not use debhelper? [01:03] cdbs uhu [01:03] t has a debhelper.ml somthing like it [01:03] (me mixes in the convo sorry) [01:03] debhelper.mk [01:03] also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=216492 [01:04] which I guess uses dh_clean in clean:: [01:04] it does [01:05] cdbs should be in Build-Depends as well, iirc [01:05] and we have to ignore lintian output on this, then [01:06] which is why I want to get it clarified [01:06] whether I ignore lintian or not :) [01:07] and seems lintian has to be ignored on this matter [01:07] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=339750 [01:07] same for 321135 [01:08] ic [01:08] ok [01:08] so for example, in konq-kim, I have [01:08] I can say that packages work & build fine now with just Build-Depends-Indep [01:08] Build-Depends-Indep: debhelper (>> 5), cdbs, docbook2x [01:08] it's just not technically 'correct' [01:08] in that case [01:08] debhelper and cdbs should go to build-depends [01:08] and docbook2x stay in -Indep [01:09] raphink: afaict, yes :) [01:09] right? [01:09] I think so [01:09] shall I add an override file, too? === ajmitch shrugs [01:09] hehe [01:09] ok [01:10] ;) [01:10] I don't like override files [01:10] ;) [01:10] neither do I, really [01:11] it's like hiding informative things [01:11] if lintian output have to be ignored, then there's no reason to hide them [01:13] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1188 [01:13] ;) [01:15] ajmitch: btw, would you have some time to review one or two packages? [01:15] not sure if I asked already :s [01:16] not really, sorry [01:16] ok [01:16] np :) [01:16] ok, I guess I'll break revu once again, so please don't upload packages atm [01:20] btw, when reviewing packages [01:20] having a dh_make template full of # dh_... might be grounds for rejection [01:21] good to know [01:21] so we should have people remove their # dh_ from rules ? [01:21] they will be rejected in debian, so we can have similar rules here [01:21] raphink: yes please [01:21] sure [01:22] :) [01:22] is it ok to keep _useful_ comments in rules though? [01:22] I don't like people uploading stuff when they have no idea what the various dh_* programs are [01:22] of course! [01:22] like comments explaining the reason of a line? [01:22] :) [01:22] just to be sure :) [01:22] this is just for the dh_make boilerplate [01:22] cause I like to comment my scripts [01:22] yes [01:22] eg, when you can see that they haven't changed much at all [01:22] just `comments by default made by the auto script' [01:23] yes I understand [01:23] just use your judgement on it ;) [01:23] sure [01:23] I'll keep that in mind :) [01:23] these should be put on ReviewingTips or PackagingTips [01:23] & the mailing list [01:23] I was willing to update the ReviewingTips [01:23] just today [01:23] also with the `debuild && debuild -S' test [01:23] we still expect high standards in universe [01:24] checking diff for files not cleaned while building deb [01:24] yes [01:24]