| MrMazda | lucasvo: didn't work, downloading kubuntu now | 12:45 |
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| MrMazda | download complete | 12:48 |
| MrMazda | losts faster than yesterday | 12:48 |
| mhz | uuuufff | 12:49 |
| mhz | finally | 12:49 |
| MrMazda | mhz: 3 attempts to install failed with disk full, so now gonna do kubuntu instead | 12:49 |
| mhz | this is not logical :( | 12:50 |
| MrMazda | /var/cache/apt/archive over 500M of stuff | 12:50 |
| mhz | how big is your HD? | 12:51 |
| MrMazda | 1st 2 tries 1.95G /, 3rd 2.25G / | 12:51 |
| MrMazda | ppl on #ubuntu said 1.6G should be enuf | 12:52 |
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| MrMazda | lucasvo: kubuntu installed, but it's stuck at 640x480 :-p | 03:21 |
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| Lord_Athur | I'm a linux user, but I'll have to use win a few days | 04:02 |
| Lord_Athur | is there a program to work on terminal from win? | 04:02 |
| pitux | Lord_Athur putty | 04:03 |
| pitux | connect with ssh | 04:03 |
| Lord_Athur | but I haven't got a linux server :S | 04:04 |
| Lord_Athur | is there an emulator? | 04:04 |
| Lord_Athur | bye | 04:12 |
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| luluroot | lucasvo: this be the new MrMazda system running kubuntu, Firefox & Chatzilla | 04:29 |
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| mhz | re | 05:42 |
| MrMazda | mhz: struck out 3 times with out of disk space on edubuntu, got kubutu going OK o_O | 06:04 |
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| lucasvo | MrMazda: cool, you did it? | 02:15 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: if you want to install edubuntu just type: apt-get install edubuntu-desktop | 02:16 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: you screen resolution is working/ | 02:17 |
| MrMazda | lucasvo: I had to add manually to xorg.conf the missing HorizSync and VertRefresh, then the higher resolutions worked | 02:48 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: I had the same problems | 02:48 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: best to do is: submit a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com | 02:48 |
| MrMazda | consoles randomly get error messages making them useless | 02:49 |
| MrMazda | bug about the bad edubuntu installs? about the defective xorg.conf? | 02:49 |
| lucasvo | defective xorg.conf | 02:52 |
| MrMazda | k | 02:53 |
| MrMazda | where/what name is the installation log? | 02:53 |
| MrMazda | lotsa gstreamer and fontconfig error messages during install on tty4 | 02:54 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: /var/log/x*.log | 02:56 |
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| MrMazda | k | 02:57 |
| lucasvo | lucasvo@lama:~$ vi /var/log/Xorg.20.log.old | 02:57 |
| MrMazda | 20 is from the installer? | 02:57 |
| lucasvo | no | 03:01 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: look at all of the Xorg logs | 03:01 |
| jelkner | ogra: good morning oliver | 03:03 |
| lucasvo | 15:03 < djm62> lucasvo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-corg | 03:03 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: delete all the /var/log/Xorg* | 03:03 |
| lucasvo | then do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 03:04 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: then you can attach the xorg.log | 03:04 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: you have to do that in tty2-5 | 03:04 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: and then you have to add horzsync again | 03:05 |
| MrMazda | lucasvo: I have to go upstairs to do all this | 03:05 |
| MrMazda | lucasvo: I saved the original xorg.conf | 03:05 |
| lucasvo | ok | 03:05 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: or ssh I think :D | 03:05 |
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| lucasvo | hi Yagisan | 03:12 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: running kda? | 03:12 |
| Yagisan | G'day lucasvo | 03:13 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: try apt-get install edubuntu-desktop | 03:13 |
| MrMazda | I don't like Gnome | 03:13 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: why? | 03:13 |
| lucasvo | because of linus? :D | 03:13 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: in edubuntu-desktop you get all the education apps | 03:13 |
| MrMazda | used to KDE since years ago when Gnome was awful | 03:14 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: yes, I did too, I am using gnome since warty | 03:14 |
| MrMazda | gotta find out if enuf space left on device :-D | 03:14 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: apt-get remove kde | 03:14 |
| MrMazda | added some stuff already, so it's pretty full | 03:14 |
| ogra | MrMazda, how much space do you have ? | 03:14 |
| MrMazda | o_O | 03:14 |
| MrMazda | gotta go upstairs to see what's left | 03:15 |
| MrMazda | 2.25G to start with for / | 03:15 |
| ogra | thats not enough for a default edubuntu ... | 03:15 |
| ogra | you'll need ~2.6G | 03:15 |
| MrMazda | I read some doc that said needs 2G | 03:15 |
| Yagisan | that's barely enough for normal ubuntu | 03:15 |
| ogra | 2.2G is fine for a normal ubuntu, edubuntu brings more apps | 03:16 |
| ogra | kdeedu and all the kde stuff we ship is an ugl beast ... | 03:16 |
| ogra | *ugly | 03:16 |
| lucasvo | apt-get remove qt | 03:16 |
| ogra | heh | 03:17 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda, normal ubuntu installs in 2G, but whoever wrote that never tried it. I did - you don't have any space left. | 03:17 |
| lucasvo | I hate the qt dual licensing :( | 03:17 |
| ogra | its gone with qt4 | 03:17 |
| lucasvo | ogra: it is? | 03:17 |
| Yagisan | lucasvo: why ? | 03:17 |
| ogra | afaik, yes | 03:17 |
| ogra | hey jelkner | 03:17 |
| lucasvo | Yagisan: for e.g. german post had to remove their stampit *proprietary* plugin for openoffice since it includes qt | 03:18 |
| MrMazda | looks like I could get some space back by removing a bunch of eastern fonts | 03:18 |
| MrMazda | way lotta font packages installed | 03:19 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: did you clear /var/cache/apt/archives/? | 03:19 |
| MrMazda | got 450K back from doing that manually | 03:19 |
| ogra | yes, that might give you 2-300MB | 03:19 |
| ogra | eeek | 03:19 |
| ogra | never do that manually | 03:19 |
| jelkner | ogra: good morning | 03:19 |
| ogra | use apt-get clean for that | 03:19 |
| MrMazda | couldn't find another way | 03:19 |
| lucasvo | ogra: ok | 03:19 |
| Yagisan | lucasvo: that's what happens when you don't read the license | 03:20 |
| MrMazda | that wasn't what was suggested yesterday | 03:20 |
| ogra | MrMazda, i wasnt around in the evening :) | 03:20 |
| MrMazda | someone said some other kind of clean | 03:20 |
| lucasvo | Yagisan: they are allowed to include their software with dual licensing? | 03:20 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: *me* | 03:20 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: I was wrong | 03:20 |
| MrMazda | too late now :-) | 03:20 |
| ogra | yup | 03:21 |
| ogra | wont break heavily though, dont worry ... | 03:21 |
| MrMazda | already added repositories and updated | 03:21 |
| MrMazda | gimp | 03:22 |
| MrMazda | mc | 03:22 |
| Yagisan | lucasvo: the author of qt can license it however they like. | 03:22 |
| ogra | but as a rule of thumb, if there is a tool in a linux system, never edit files manually or delete stuff, you might miss something that tool would do as well | 03:22 |
| MrMazda | firefox/thunderbird | 03:22 |
| MrMazda | I know that rule | 03:22 |
| MrMazda | gotta be able to find that GUI tool though | 03:22 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: synaptic? | 03:22 |
| ogra | for maintaining packages ? | 03:22 |
| ogra | thats synaptic or gnome-app-install | 03:22 |
| ogra | kubuntu/kde has something similar | 03:23 |
| lucasvo | gnome-app-install is lame | 03:23 |
| ogra | why ? | 03:23 |
| MrMazda | synaptic, dpkg, apt, adept - too many different tools for packages | 03:23 |
| lucasvo | it only provides the most common packages | 03:23 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: you forgot aptitude | 03:23 |
| ogra | gnome-app-install is far superior to synaptic on the usability side | 03:23 |
| MrMazda | aptitude, synaptic, dpkg, apt, adept - too many different tools for packages | 03:23 |
| ogra | they do different things :) | 03:24 |
| ogra | synaptic and aptitude are just frontends | 03:24 |
| lucasvo | dpkg is included into almost everything | 03:24 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: I can point to at least one of those tools that doesn't work on my X less box | 03:24 |
| ogra | ... to apt | 03:24 |
| ogra | apt is a frontend to dpkg | 03:24 |
| ogra | adept is a copy of synaptic in kde | 03:24 |
| ogra | they are completely different things ... | 03:25 |
| MrMazda | you're making me try to learn to much - I'm a rpm user | 03:25 |
| spacey_ki | even working on weekends ogra ;/ | 03:25 |
| MrMazda | Debian gives me fits | 03:25 |
| ogra | spacey_ki, not really ... | 03:25 |
| Yagisan | my preferred front end is aptitude | 03:25 |
| lucasvo | I prefer apt | 03:25 |
| MrMazda | screwed up tty video on every one of them | 03:25 |
| spacey_ki | ogra, don't forget to relax a bit :P | 03:25 |
| ogra | heh, i'll try | 03:26 |
| ogra | i'm on my way out anyway, GF is ill and i have to pick up food for the animals ... else they'll starve over the weekend | 03:26 |
| lucasvo | ogra is in a hurry for dapper :D | 03:26 |
| ogra | nah, no hurry at all :) | 03:26 |
| Yagisan | ogra: Hope GF gets better soon. | 03:27 |
| ogra | we are fine in our timeframe ... | 03:27 |
| ogra | Yagisan, i'll tell her ... | 03:27 |
| ogra | she already was better (after 4 weeks of sleepless nights with crying from pain) | 03:28 |
| ogra | but somehow it started over tonight | 03:28 |
| MrMazda | seems like Bug 7878 resurfaced | 03:28 |
| Yagisan | ?? what did she catch ? | 03:28 |
| spacey_ki | damn, thats quite serious | 03:28 |
| ogra | we have no idea | 03:28 |
| ogra | seems it hurts heavily below her right eye .... | 03:29 |
| spacey_ki | went to hospital i assume? | 03:29 |
| ogra | the doc has no idea what that could be ... | 03:29 |
| Yagisan | 2nd opinion ? | 03:29 |
| ogra | now she got pulled out a tooth last week, but that seem not to have been the cause of pain ... | 03:29 |
| spacey_ki | time for a xray | 03:30 |
| ogra | i'll arrange a computer tomography next week for here, to get some more insight ... | 03:30 |
| ogra | no hospital yet ... she first wants to try out all options without that | 03:30 |
| spacey_ki | what is computer tomography? | 03:31 |
| === ogra babelfishes | ||
| Yagisan | spacey_ki: most likely cat scan | 03:32 |
| Yagisan | I had one done for myself - big white tube | 03:32 |
| Yagisan | strong magnets | 03:32 |
| ogra | yeah ... | 03:32 |
| ogra | babalfish doesnt help :/ | 03:32 |
| spacey_ki | not dangerious when you have some metal in your teeth? | 03:32 |
| ogra | nope | 03:33 |
| Yagisan | have some guy say "lie still" while they scan your head | 03:33 |
| spacey_ki | not suddenly teethless | 03:33 |
| spacey_ki | :) | 03:33 |
| ogra | and afterwards you have a 3D model of your head ... | 03:33 |
| Yagisan | and then they go, we *still* don't know whats wrong | 03:33 |
| lucasvo | that's cool, I once had to do it with my arm | 03:33 |
| ogra | its a kind of xray in slices they do ... and afterwards they build a 3D model of it | 03:33 |
| Yagisan | oh wait - that may only be for me | 03:34 |
| ogra | Yagisan, i suspect it might be the same for us :/ | 03:34 |
| lucasvo | Yagisan: it is quite common, they still don't know what's wrong with my arm | 03:34 |
| ogra | the dentist already did a normal xray... nothing suspisious ... | 03:34 |
| lucasvo | I still can't do any push-ups :( | 03:34 |
| Yagisan | at least I got a picture of my head | 03:35 |
| lucasvo | lol | 03:35 |
| Yagisan | lucasvo: RSI ?? | 03:35 |
| lucasvo | Yagisan: rsi? | 03:35 |
| ogra | yes, sounds like | 03:35 |
| ogra | to much comuter work :) | 03:35 |
| Yagisan | Repetitive Strain Injury | 03:35 |
| ogra | *computer | 03:35 |
| ogra | take more rests | 03:35 |
| Yagisan | or ah something else ;) | 03:35 |
| lucasvo | Yagisan: I don't know, I had a broken arm a 2 years ago | 03:36 |
| lucasvo | Yagisan: broken forever, I can't push anything more than 20kg | 03:36 |
| spacey_ki | good thing you do computer work :P | 03:36 |
| spacey_ki | only need to press keys | 03:37 |
| lucasvo | spacey_ki: I am doing headwork in school atm | 03:37 |
| spacey_ki | headwork? | 03:37 |
| Yagisan | ouch, I've shredded all the ligaments on my knee before. Couldn't move my lower leg | 03:37 |
| lucasvo | brainwork | 03:37 |
| spacey_ki | right | 03:37 |
| spacey_ki | what work does your brain do | 03:37 |
| Yagisan | dragged myself 7 kilometers to a hospital on one leg, just to get it put in plaster | 03:38 |
| lucasvo | spacey_ki: math, biology, french, german, english, italian, chemistry, physics | 03:38 |
| lucasvo | and arts and craft | 03:38 |
| spacey_ki | your on highschool? | 03:38 |
| lucasvo | spacey_ki: yes | 03:38 |
| spacey_ki | aha | 03:38 |
| spacey_ki | what country? germany? | 03:39 |
| lucasvo | spacey_ki: switzerland | 03:39 |
| spacey_ki | ah | 03:39 |
| spacey_ki | that figures | 03:39 |
| lucasvo | spacey_ki: why? | 03:39 |
| spacey_ki | regarding the languages | 03:39 |
| lucasvo | aha | 03:39 |
| spacey_ki | french, german, english, italian | 03:39 |
| spacey_ki | :) | 03:39 |
| spacey_ki | you need them all there | 03:39 |
| spacey_ki | :) | 03:39 |
| lucasvo | not really, everybody speaks english | 03:40 |
| lucasvo | http://www.google.ch/ < is available even in our fourth "official" language... | 03:41 |
| lucasvo | rumantsch | 03:41 |
| lucasvo | web=rait | 03:41 |
| lucasvo | I think it is net = rait | 03:41 |
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| === Yagisan suspects there may be another riot | ||
| lucasvo | Yagisan: where do you live? | 03:44 |
| spacey_ki | where are you from then Yagisan | 03:44 |
| Yagisan | Sydney | 03:44 |
| Yagisan | I'm sure you seen parts of the riots on tv | 03:45 |
| lucasvo | :D | 03:45 |
| lucasvo | Yagisan: I don't have/want tv | 03:45 |
| lucasvo | but I read in the newspapers about it | 03:45 |
| Yagisan | lucasvo: that's good. The only thing I use my tv for is for playing my iron chef dvds | 03:46 |
| lucasvo | iron chef? | 03:46 |
| lucasvo | Yagisan: what time is it now in sydney? | 03:46 |
| Yagisan | lucasvo: I bet the papers are only saying white people are attacking lebanese people | 03:46 |
| lucasvo | :D | 03:46 |
| spacey_ki | Yagisan, nope | 03:46 |
| Yagisan | almost 2am | 03:46 |
| spacey_ki | i never watch tv | 03:47 |
| spacey_ki | evil box ;p | 03:47 |
| lucasvo | exactly | 03:47 |
| Yagisan | iron chef is the best show I have ever seen on TV. It's from Japan. The americans made a crap copy called, Iron Chef America | 03:48 |
| Yagisan | here we are, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Chef | 03:48 |
| spacey_ki | i've seen futurama episode about that :) | 03:49 |
| Yagisan | you haven't seen Iron Chef ?? | 03:49 |
| Yagisan | I've got 18GB of it so far ... | 03:49 |
| Yagisan | damm 20GB download quota | 03:49 |
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| Yagisan | spacey_ki: that's the 30% iron chef episode right ? | 03:53 |
| spacey_ki | don't remember:) | 03:53 |
| spacey_ki | at least it was funny :) | 03:53 |
| spacey_ki | Yagisan, never seen the orginal show | 03:53 |
| Yagisan | spacey_ki: where are you ? | 03:54 |
| MrMazda | can't run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg because the tty display is too corrupted - how do I screencap the corruption? | 03:54 |
| spacey_ki | Yagisan, netherlands | 03:54 |
| spacey_ki | its not on tv here :) | 03:54 |
| spacey_ki | i'm curious though, can you send me an episode?:D | 03:55 |
| MrMazda | lucasvo: are you really /away ? | 03:55 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: how did you corrupt the tty display ? | 03:56 |
| MrMazda | using keypad keys | 03:56 |
| MrMazda | always does that | 03:56 |
| MrMazda | how do I screencap the corruption? | 03:57 |
| Yagisan | have you tried typing `clear` no quotes in a console ? (yes it is a dumb question) | 03:57 |
| Yagisan | Is x working at all ? | 03:57 |
| spacey_ki | restart | 03:57 |
| spacey_ki | instead of clear helps | 03:57 |
| MrMazda | X works - I'm doing what lucasvo said to report the initial configure bug | 03:58 |
| MrMazda | restart what? | 03:58 |
| spacey_ki | type it in | 03:58 |
| spacey_ki | the terminal | 03:58 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: gimp has a screen capture function | 03:58 |
| MrMazda | gimp is X | 03:58 |
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| MrMazda | this is tty running dpkg-reconfigure | 03:59 |
| MrMazda | can't type in clear or restart | 03:59 |
| spacey_ki | just type restart and press enter | 03:59 |
| spacey_ki | works for me | 03:59 |
| spacey_ki | :) | 03:59 |
| spacey_ki | even if you can't see it | 03:59 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: please clarify - is this a virtual console, or x-term ? | 04:00 |
| jelkner | ogra: do you have time for a question? | 04:01 |
| MrMazda | tty[1-6] | 04:01 |
| ogra | jelkner, sure | 04:01 |
| jelkner | i installed sabayon | 04:01 |
| ogra | btw, did you already test the flight2 CD ? | 04:01 |
| jelkner | no | 04:01 |
| MrMazda | restart worked, but then on first need for a cursor key it corrupts again spacey | 04:01 |
| jelkner | i can do that monday | 04:01 |
| ogra | great | 04:02 |
| jelkner | how do you want me to test it? | 04:02 |
| MrMazda | can't get anywhere | 04:02 |
| ogra | i'm lagging with the announcement anyway | 04:02 |
| jelkner | just do an install and see if it works? | 04:02 |
| ogra | yup | 04:02 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll burn it tomorrow and install on monday | 04:02 |
| ogra | there are some known issues, i'll point out in the announcement | 04:02 |
| jelkner | i have two test servers to play with | 04:02 |
| spacey_ki | MrMazda, try in an X terminal? | 04:02 |
| ogra | great :) | 04:02 |
| jelkner | any i need to know before testing? | 04:02 |
| ogra | dont use different languages ... | 04:03 |
| jelkner | ok | 04:03 |
| jelkner | anything else? | 04:03 |
| MrMazda | spacey_ki: lucasvo said run in tty, so I exited the X session to run on tty | 04:03 |
| ogra | trhere is something wrong with the ubuntu locales onb install, that makes it break if you dont use en_** | 04:03 |
| spacey_ki | you can also run it in an X terminal | 04:03 |
| MrMazda | anyway, if tty cannot be fixed I give up on ubuntu | 04:03 |
| spacey_ki | and restart X after that | 04:03 |
| jelkner | ok, i won't do anything with languages | 04:03 |
| ogra | the dhcpd needs a new option ... (next-server) | 04:04 |
| ogra | else the clients wont boot :/ | 04:04 |
| jelkner | but speaking of languages, on our breezy boxes we are having great fun with them | 04:04 |
| MrMazda | this corruption has been a plague even on the failed edubuntu installs | 04:04 |
| MrMazda | ttys just HAVE to work | 04:04 |
| jelkner | i'm sitting here at a community center where all the folks speak spanish | 04:04 |
| ogra | but i think i'll revert that change to dhcpd for ubuntu ... its evil to introduce breaking changes with minor version upgrades imho | 04:04 |
| jelkner | i learned how to use the spanish keyboard | 04:04 |
| MrMazda | how do I screencap the corruption on a tty? | 04:05 |
| jelkner | and we are all on ubuntu-es chatting | 04:05 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: I have no idea why your tty isn't working. It works fine on all my headless boxes. | 04:05 |
| jelkner | cool! | 04:05 |
| ogra | jelkner, we had this topinc several times... | 04:05 |
| jelkner | which topic? | 04:05 |
| MrMazda | Yagisan: prolly ATI BS | 04:05 |
| ogra | .es lang stuff | 04:05 |
| MrMazda | only ATI box I have | 04:05 |
| ogra | i think you asked about 10 times about it now | 04:05 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: could you try using the vesa framebuffer instead | 04:05 |
| jelkner | my apologies | 04:05 |
| ogra | :) | 04:05 |
| jelkner | i missed it each time ;-) | 04:05 |
| jelkner | but i got it now | 04:06 |
| MrMazda | Yagisan: kernel line is VGA=290 because VGA=788 failed | 04:06 |
| ogra | so tell me about sabayon | 04:06 |
| jelkner | btw. the german teacher in the room before me wants to use the ubuntu lab with her students | 04:06 |
| ogra | nice :) | 04:06 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: well, that is a good indication of where the problem lies | 04:06 |
| jelkner | i'm planning on asking you if you know some good resources for them? | 04:06 |
| jelkner | ok, back to sabayon | 04:06 |
| MrMazda | Yagisan: same problem in all Debians, no problem in RPMs | 04:07 |
| jelkner | you said you can't use if from the clients | 04:07 |
| ogra | yes | 04:07 |
| jelkner | can i use if from the server to lock down client users? | 04:07 |
| MrMazda | Debian framebuffer is whacko | 04:07 |
| ogra | it opens a xnest window, xnest doesnt work through ssh tunnels | 04:07 |
| jelkner | ok, so we should wait on that | 04:07 |
| jelkner | yes? | 04:07 |
| ogra | but youcan make profiles with it directly on the server desktop | 04:07 |
| spacey_ki | only when you create the policy you need to do it on the server itself | 04:07 |
| spacey_ki | but if you activite it it works for everything | 04:08 |
| jelkner | but what happens on the client when the user tries to change things | 04:08 |
| spacey_ki | only the admin thingy needs to be on local box | 04:08 |
| ogra | i'm not sure that solveable at all, thats why i said i'm not sure we can include it at ubz | 04:08 |
| jelkner | folks are breaking their desktops | 04:08 |
| jelkner | accidentally deleting panels and stuff | 04:08 |
| ogra | not if you lock down these options | 04:08 |
| spacey_ki | jelkner, did you try using sabayon yet? | 04:09 |
| jelkner | no, i just installed it | 04:09 |
| jelkner | i'm just asking a few high level questions to save time | 04:09 |
| jelkner | like, "how should i try it?" | 04:09 |
| spacey_ki | i think you should give it a try first :p | 04:09 |
| ogra | yes, play with it ... | 04:09 |
| jelkner | ok, /me stops asking silly questions and goes off to try it... | 04:10 |
| spacey_ki | jelkner, if you can't figure it out after trying just ask back. i still have to fix it up myself. good opportunity | 04:10 |
| jelkner | ok | 04:10 |
| spacey_ki | anyway i'm out for shopping now before everything closes | 04:10 |
| spacey_ki | cya | 04:10 |
| ogra | i'm not even sure if we need the xnest stuff... its only for arranging the default desktop setup... the locking down feature doesnt use xnest | 04:10 |
| jelkner | cool | 04:11 |
| jelkner | first question: how to launch it? | 04:11 |
| jelkner | command line only? | 04:11 |
| spacey_ki | its in the menu :p | 04:11 |
| ogra | its in your system menu | 04:11 |
| jelkner | doesn't seem to be in the menu anywhere? | 04:11 |
| ogra | "User Profile Editor" | 04:11 |
| jelkner | oh, i see | 04:11 |
| ogra | i'm still not sure what this icon should represent :) | 04:12 |
| ogra | its just a golden swirl | 04:12 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: a quick google doesn't anything that can grab a VGA console. Try sudo cat /dev/vcs > screendump.txt | 04:13 |
| jelkner | oops, i click on "Edit" and get "Xsession: unable to launch "gnome" X session --- "gnome" not found; falling back to default session." | 04:14 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: You will need to put your password in, but it should grab the screen for you | 04:14 |
| jelkner | never mind | 04:15 |
| jelkner | clicking ok and it started anyway | 04:15 |
| ogra | oh, in dapper it silently crashes ... | 04:15 |
| ogra | oh, yes, xnest is broken :) | 04:16 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: no not really | 04:20 |
| ogra | luckily we have a totally different kernel to debian :) | 04:22 |
| ogra | including framebuffer functionallity | 04:22 |
| ogra | s/including/especially with the/ | 04:22 |
| lucasvo | ogra: how about a powerbutton in ldm? | 04:22 |
| ogra | lucasvo, sure :) | 04:22 |
| ogra | but i have more important tasks .. | 04:23 |
| lucasvo | ogra: is it working from bzr? | 04:23 |
| ogra | ?? | 04:23 |
| ogra | a powerbutton from bzr ? | 04:23 |
| lucasvo | ogra: no, a working powerbutton in ldm from bzr source | 04:23 |
| ogra | sure ... | 04:23 |
| lucasvo | ogra: how can I install it? | 04:24 |
| ogra | oh, you mean if its added in my bzr repo ? nope | 04:24 |
| lucasvo | ah | 04:24 |
| lucasvo | ogra: so there isn't any written code for now? | 04:24 |
| jelkner | ogra: no one can log in to the edubuntu server | 04:24 |
| ogra | as i said, i have otherpriorities, ldm powerbutton is only on my nice to have list | 04:25 |
| lucasvo | ogra: hm, ok | 04:25 |
| ogra | jelkner, look if the sshkeys are right | 04:25 |
| lucasvo | ogra: what are other priorities? | 04:25 |
| ogra | (or existing at all) | 04:25 |
| jelkner | i tried restarting dhcp, which had died, but it still isn't working | 04:25 |
| ogra | lucasvo, my specs ... | 04:25 |
| lucasvo | ogra: launchpad? | 04:25 |
| ogra | jelkner, dhcpd has nothing to do with it.... as long as the clients boot, tftp, dhcp and nfs are fine | 04:26 |
| ogra | no need to look there | 04:26 |
| MrMazda | how do I eradicate graphical boot? | 04:27 |
| jelkner | which log file should i look in? | 04:27 |
| ogra | jelkner, just look for the sshkeys ... | 04:27 |
| ogra | no logfile needed | 04:27 |
| jelkner | where? | 04:27 |
| ogra | where you looked the last times you had this ... | 04:28 |
| ogra | wait | 04:28 |
| lucasvo | I like the obsolete: EdubuntuUserManagement ( Oliver Grawert) | 04:28 |
| ogra | /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts | 04:28 |
| jelkner | ok i need to take notes this time ;-) | 04:28 |
| ogra | jelkner, ^^^ look if the current server ip shows up there | 04:28 |
| ogra | if not, run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys | 04:29 |
| ogra | then try to log in again | 04:29 |
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| ogra | lucasvo, yes, thats obsoleted by the network user management spec that goes into ubuntu anyway (but dapper+1 for the server side) | 04:30 |
| lucasvo | I will probably buy a new server for my ltsp, I am thinking off 2x Opteron Dual Core, will there be any problems with ltsp? | 04:32 |
| lucasvo | Is it working with current dapper? | 04:32 |
| ogra | not with dapper | 04:32 |
| ogra | yup | 04:32 |
| lucasvo | so the multiarch support is fully included by now? | 04:32 |
| ogra | its not working with breezy ... you need the multiarch patch from Yagisan that already is included in dapper | 04:33 |
| ogra | yup | 04:33 |
| lucasvo | and what about flash etc. ? | 04:33 |
| lucasvo | binary drivers? for e.g. nvidia? | 04:33 |
| ogra | thats nothing i can solve, ask macromedia :) | 04:33 |
| lucasvo | but is it possible to run firefox under 32bit? | 04:33 |
| lucasvo | how about multicore + ubuntu is it working well? | 04:34 |
| lucasvo | or is it overpowered for ubuntu? | 04:34 |
| ogra | not at all | 04:35 |
| ogra | multicore and smp are fine ... | 04:35 |
| ogra | for 32bit apps you'll need to build a chroot etc ... | 04:35 |
| lucasvo | waaa | 04:36 |
| ogra | there are debian docs for that ... | 04:36 |
| lucasvo | ok, I think I can live without flash | 04:36 |
| ogra | its really only flash thats missing... | 04:36 |
| lucasvo | what else is closed source in ubuntu? | 04:36 |
| lucasvo | ah, ok | 04:36 |
| ogra | java for amd64 is fine, as well as all other stuff | 04:36 |
| ogra | nvidia/ati ... | 04:36 |
| ogra | but we'll wipe all binary drivers for the thin clients anyway | 04:37 |
| lucasvo | I don't have a 64bit thinclient :D | 04:37 |
| ogra | heh | 04:37 |
| MrMazda | [4294880.753000] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0). | 04:37 |
| lucasvo | or what do you mean? | 04:37 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: that happens when you press shift+page up for example | 04:37 |
| MrMazda | Yagisan: that's one line of corruption I typed in | 04:38 |
| ogra | dropping of the binary drivers has nothing to do with 64bit | 04:38 |
| lucasvo | ogra: where will the binarydrivers be dropped? | 04:38 |
| jelkner | ogra: no one can log in now | 04:38 |
| lucasvo | ogra: on the server or in the chroot? | 04:38 |
| ogra | thats a keycode your kernel doesnt know about ... multimedia keys for example | 04:38 |
| jelkner | i tried sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys | 04:38 |
| MrMazda | lucasvo: draws a different screen | 04:38 |
| ogra | jelkner, did you look in the file | 04:38 |
| MrMazda | still messed up | 04:38 |
| MrMazda | even on restart with vga=normal | 04:39 |
| ogra | lucasvo, in the chroot | 04:39 |
| lucasvo | ogra: aha, ok | 04:39 |
| jelkner | yes, but what am i looking for? | 04:39 |
| ogra | <ogra> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts | 04:39 |
| ogra | <jelkner> ok i need to take notes this time ;-) | 04:39 |
| ogra | <ogra> jelkner, ^^^ look if the current server ip shows up there | 04:39 |
| ogra | <ogra> if not, run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys | 04:39 |
| jelkner | i did | 04:40 |
| jelkner | and i also restarted the client | 04:40 |
| ogra | was anything in there ? | 04:40 |
| jelkner | in the file? | 04:40 |
| jelkner | a lot is there | 04:40 |
| jelkner | but i don't know what specifically i'm looking for | 04:40 |
| ogra | <ogra> jelkner, ^^^ look if the current server ip shows up there | 04:40 |
| jelkner | ahh | 04:40 |
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| agente87 | hi everyon | 04:41 |
| MrMazda | doesn't matter what my vga= line has on it, always cursor keys flood the ttys with those error messages | 04:41 |
| jelkner | yes, it shows up several times | 04:41 |
| jelkner | the server has two ips | 04:41 |
| jelkner | they both show up | 04:41 |
| jelkner | and the hostname edubuntu as well | 04:41 |
| ogra | jelkner, several times is wrong | 04:41 |
| ogra | empty the file, run the update sshkeys command again... | 04:42 |
| jelkner | ok | 04:42 |
| ogra | it should show up one time as ip and one time with name | 04:42 |
| ogra | how often did you run the update command already ? | 04:42 |
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| lucasvo | hi agente87 ! | 04:43 |
| agente87 | hi lucas | 04:43 |
| agente87 | how do you do? | 04:44 |
| lucasvo | well, and you? | 04:44 |
| lucasvo | agente87: how about your edubuntu installation? | 04:44 |
| lucasvo | ogra: could one just mount /home/ over nfs? | 04:44 |
| ogra | sure | 04:45 |
| lucasvo | agente87: maybe you could do this | 04:45 |
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| agente87 | i have made a shared folder | 04:45 |
| ogra | just add it in the servers fstab .... indeed you need a nfs server from where you mount it | 04:45 |
| lucasvo | agente87: I would suggest you install edubuntu-desktop on every client and mount /home/ over nfs | 04:45 |
| ogra | err ? | 04:45 |
| lucasvo | agente87: you mean on winXP? | 04:46 |
| ogra | why would you install anything on the client ? | 04:46 |
| agente87 | nop, on edubuntu | 04:46 |
| lucasvo | agente87: ah, over the gui? | 04:46 |
| agente87 | the gui? | 04:46 |
| lucasvo | ogra: because they have too powerful clients and too weak server | 04:47 |
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| lucasvo | power of server = power of client | 04:47 |
| jelkner | ok, there are 6 entries now | 04:47 |
| ogra | so you dont want ltsp, but netbooting clients ... | 04:47 |
| jelkner | 2 each for edubuntu, 192.168.0.140, and 192.168.1.254 | 04:47 |
| lucasvo | ogra: this would be good as well | 04:47 |
| jelkner | one ssh-rsa and one ssh-dss | 04:47 |
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| ogra | jelkner, thats fine then | 04:47 |
| ogra | jelkner, make sure the ssh server is running any try to log in | 04:48 |
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| lucasvo | ogra: did you get my query? | 04:48 |
| ogra | nope | 04:48 |
| agente87 | in my school, teachers don't want edubuntu | 04:48 |
| lucasvo | ogra: hm, ok | 04:48 |
| lucasvo | ogra: so I didn't register my nick | 04:48 |
| ogra | are your registered ? | 04:48 |
| lucasvo | ogra: no | 04:48 |
| ogra | ah | 04:48 |
| ogra | do it then | 04:48 |
| ogra | agente87, why ? | 04:49 |
| lucasvo | ogra: what's the name of the register bot? | 04:49 |
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| ogra | try /msg nickserv help | 04:50 |
| agente87 | i'm trying to make them prove edubuntu | 04:50 |
| agente87 | but they say they don't have time, it's new, you know | 04:50 |
| ogra | but why dont they want it ? | 04:50 |
| ogra | ah | 04:50 |
| ogra | :) fear the new :) | 04:50 |
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| agente87 | yes;-D | 04:51 |
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| lucasvo | I don't know my nick pw anymore | 04:51 |
| agente87 | why must i use a shared /home/ folder? | 04:51 |
| jelkner | ogra: we are in a lab with 7 terminals (one directly on the server) | 04:51 |
| jelkner | 3 users are logged in | 04:52 |
| jelkner | and have been all morning | 04:52 |
| jelkner | no new users can log in on any of the remaining workstations | 04:52 |
| jelkner | i've tried restarting ssh | 04:52 |
| lucasvo | ogra: do you know how I can reset my pw? | 04:52 |
| ogra | hmmm, no idea what that is ... | 04:52 |
| ogra | lucasvo, nope | 04:52 |
| lucasvo | crap | 04:53 |
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| agente87 | nop | 04:53 |
| ogra | jelkner, thats an info you should have given before you said nobody can log in | 04:53 |
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| agente87 | lucasvo: why should i use a shared /home folder? | 04:54 |
| lucasvo | ah now it works | 04:54 |
| lucasvo | agente87: that all the users have their own homedir on every client | 04:54 |
| lucasvo | workstation | 04:54 |
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| jelkner | ogra: ok | 04:55 |
| agente87 | ok, like active desktop in windows | 04:56 |
| jelkner | so, now that i have (late, i understand), what next? | 04:56 |
| ogra | no idea ... | 04:56 |
| lucasvo | ogra: could one use netboot with pxe? | 04:57 |
| ogra | sure | 04:57 |
| ogra | thats what ltsp does :) | 04:57 |
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| agente87 | i'm trying to get some Pentiums 100 to make a classroom with ltsp | 04:58 |
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| agente87 | it's too complicated? i have just begin with linux | 04:58 |
| agente87 | it's too complicated? i have just begun with linux | 04:58 |
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| ogra | nope, not complicated at all | 04:59 |
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| lucasvo | agente87: the only problem will be the weak server | 04:59 |
| jelkner | ogra: but it looks like we've hit some edubuntu bugs | 05:00 |
| jelkner | shouldn't we investigate? | 05:00 |
| jelkner | i could try rebooting the server | 05:00 |
| agente87 | i have spoken with my director and he will buy some ram | 05:01 |
| jelkner | and let you know what happens | 05:01 |
| MrMazda | lucasvo: I'm not gonna file a bug on the HorizSync/VertRefresh because that original xorg.conf works OK since I've updated everything | 05:01 |
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| lucasvo | MrMazda: ok | 05:01 |
| MrMazda | too many such bugs already, and most dupes or fixed | 05:01 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: mine hasn't been fixed so far | 05:01 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: I had exactly the same probelm | 05:02 |
| MrMazda | still the console corruption problem is huge | 05:02 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: you mean the unknown key messages? | 05:02 |
| MrMazda | doesn't matter which vga= I use, always unknown key messages | 05:02 |
| MrMazda | tty corruption == unknown key messages | 05:02 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: maybe it is a wrong keyboard driver? | 05:03 |
| MrMazda | I tried asking in #kubuntu, but that place is all noise | 05:03 |
| lucasvo | exactly | 05:03 |
| lucasvo | and ubuntu as well | 05:03 |
| ogra | MrMazda, note that the keycode errors are totally unrelated to the vga= setting | 05:04 |
| MrMazda | obviously | 05:04 |
| ogra | they are two different things in the kernel ... | 05:04 |
| MrMazda | how do I eradicate the graphical boot? | 05:04 |
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| ogra | you mean usplash ? | 05:05 |
| MrMazda | whatever it is that keeps the text messages away | 05:05 |
| ogra | just remove the splash keywoprd from the kernel line | 05:05 |
| MrMazda | with other kernels/other distros, splash=0 or nosplash was the method, but they don't work here :-p | 05:06 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 05:06 |
| lucasvo | .w 12 | 05:07 |
| lucasvo | sorry | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | ogra, do you have any knowledge on limitations of distribution about our pressed cds? | 05:07 |
| ogra | we dont even have agreement that we'll get pressed CDs yet | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | ogra, sorry i was supposed to say ubuntu cds in general | 05:08 |
| jsgotangco | ogra, what i mean is for situations like this http://www.ebay.ph/viItem?ItemId=5841560525 | 05:08 |
| ogra | hmm, nope, i'm not working with the shipit team ... ask marilize, kiko or silbs if you can catch them on irc | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | yep | 05:09 |
| ogra | heh | 05:09 |
| ogra | how much are PHP 250 ? | 05:09 |
| ogra | in euro or $ ? | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | $1USD = P50 | 05:10 |
| ogra | so its $5 ? | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | roughly | 05:10 |
| ogra | i dont think anybody really cares | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | because i wouldn't like to see a situation where people here ask for CDs and sell for something like that | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | when they can just ask me for one | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | we | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | we'll see | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | =) | 05:11 |
| ogra | indeed, if you have the sparetime, monitor the auction and offer them to do so ... | 05:11 |
| ogra | ;) | 05:12 |
| ogra | or point them to shipit | 05:12 |
| lucasvo | *lol* | 05:12 |
| lucasvo | courtesy of OSdir.com | 05:12 |
| MrMazda | ogra: thx :) | 05:12 |
| ogra | :) | 05:12 |
| ogra | i would have told you earlier, but didnt know waht your problem was :) | 05:13 |
| MrMazda | nfs mount takes WAY to long :( | 05:13 |
| ogra | yup, agreed | 05:13 |
| ogra | will be fixed in dapper | 05:13 |
| ogra | funnily it takes 3times as long at first boot... the second boot works like a charm ... | 05:14 |
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| ogra | i havent found the root of the prob yet ... | 05:14 |
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| MrMazda | it's really bad in single, since there is no network in single | 05:15 |
| jelkner | ogra: oliver, i don't know if sabayon had anything to do with it, but i removed sabayon, we rebooted the server, and we can log in again | 05:15 |
| MrMazda | takes forever to time out | 05:15 |
| MrMazda | I forgot noauto in FSTAB | 05:15 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: you mean ntp date? | 05:15 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: ah nfs | 05:15 |
| ogra | jelkner, since you did it both at th same time i cant tell you either | 05:15 |
| MrMazda | mount -t nfs | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | hey jelkner | 05:16 |
| MrMazda | portmap: server localhost not responding | 05:16 |
| jelkner | ogra: i understand, not good testing proceedure, but we are in a training session and need things to work | 05:16 |
| ogra | yup | 05:16 |
| MrMazda | RPC: failed to contact portmap | 05:16 |
| jelkner | i'll test more in another environment later | 05:16 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: /etc/init.d/portmap start | 05:16 |
| ogra | + sudo ;) | 05:17 |
| lucasvo | ogra: sudo su && ... | 05:17 |
| ogra | bah | 05:17 |
| MrMazda | bash: /etc/init.d/portmap: No such file or directory | 05:17 |
| ogra | ugh | 05:17 |
| ogra | how did you install your system ? | 05:18 |
| MrMazda | "workstation" from CD boot | 05:18 |
| MrMazda | IIRC | 05:18 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: edubuntu? kubuntu? | 05:18 |
| MrMazda | mebbe that was edubutu | 05:18 |
| ogra | ah, ok, that doesnt install any server parts | 05:18 |
| MrMazda | kubuntu | 05:18 |
| ogra | kubuntu has no workstation install | 05:19 |
| MrMazda | kubuntu is the problem ATM | 05:19 |
| ogra | that unique in edubuntu | 05:19 |
| MrMazda | well than I didn't | 05:19 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: exactly | 05:19 |
| MrMazda | well then I didn't | 05:19 |
| MrMazda | ;-) | 05:19 |
| ogra | since edubuntu defaults to a server install, we included this option | 05:19 |
| MrMazda | the nfs mounts finally finished | 05:19 |
| ogra | no other ubuntu has it | 05:19 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: you need portmap | 05:20 |
| ogra | but you need portmap installed on a nfs server ... | 05:20 |
| MrMazda | nfs mount means nfs client | 05:20 |
| ogra | there you dont need anything ... | 05:20 |
| MrMazda | so why the delay mounting? | 05:21 |
| ogra | i thought you talk about ltsp ... | 05:21 |
| ogra | it doesnt happen in normal ubuntu nfs mounts | 05:22 |
| === MrMazda bets the problem is the missing options | ||
| ogra | what kind of server do you run ? | 05:24 |
| a-865 | just this Mandriva 2006 box | 05:24 |
| ogra | might be a misconfiguration on the server ... | 05:24 |
| MrMazda | nah, works fine for everything else | 05:24 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: nfs on another client? | 05:24 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: so you installed mandriva on you daughters pc? | 05:25 |
| ogra | mounting nfs shares between 2 ubuntu boxes takes milliseconds here | 05:25 |
| ogra | up to 1-2 seconds over 5Mbit wlan ... | 05:26 |
| lucasvo | :( | 05:27 |
| lucasvo | I have my wlan | 05:27 |
| lucasvo | *hate | 05:27 |
| lucasvo | it is stupid | 05:27 |
| lucasvo | slow | 05:27 |
| ogra | wokrs fine here ... | 05:27 |
| ogra | yes, thats true ... | 05:27 |
| lucasvo | ogra: I have it over 3 storeys | 05:27 |
| ogra | but thats a HW limitation | 05:27 |
| lucasvo | exactly | 05:27 |
| lucasvo | and money | 05:27 |
| lucasvo | and law limitation | 05:28 |
| ogra | law ? | 05:28 |
| lucasvo | 100mW? | 05:28 |
| ogra | s/law/health/ ? | 05:28 |
| lucasvo | I mean limitation by law | 05:28 |
| lucasvo | no law | 05:28 |
| lucasvo | maybe law is because of health | 05:28 |
| ogra | i wouldnt want something with >100Mw on my lap ... | 05:29 |
| lucasvo | jup | 05:29 |
| ogra | and boil my guts ... | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | even your nuts | 05:29 |
| ogra | heh | 05:29 |
| lucasvo | that's why I will soon have fibre | 05:29 |
| ogra | wireless fibre ? | 05:30 |
| ogra | i.e. a lightbulb ? | 05:30 |
| ogra | :) | 05:30 |
| lucasvo | ogra: ronja.twibright.com is exactly what you mean | 05:30 |
| lucasvo | ogra: but I will use ordinary fibre | 05:31 |
| ogra | ah, yes, i once worked with such a laser driven system... | 05:32 |
| ogra | but thats bad in snow etc ... | 05:32 |
| ogra | if you can put the link on the roof, i prefer a yagi anteanna and wlan ... | 05:32 |
| lucasvo | it is not laser only lled | 05:32 |
| a-865 | noauto,ro,nosuid,soft,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 instead of defaults,noauto didn't help ogra | 05:33 |
| ogra | even worse in bad waehter | 05:33 |
| ogra | which kernel does mandriva use ? | 05:33 |
| Yagisan | did someone say yagi ? | 05:33 |
| ogra | there were issues in older 2.6 versions ... try setting the framesizes to 1048 | 05:34 |
| ogra | err | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | antennae | 05:34 |
| ogra | 2048 | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | =) | 05:34 |
| lucasvo | ogra: I am a ronja developer... | 05:34 |
| a-865 | 2.6.12 here | 05:34 |
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| MrMazda | on all my other boxen 8192 works fine | 05:35 |
| MrMazda | portmap is missing from system services :-p | 05:36 |
| ogra | in mandriva ? | 05:36 |
| ogra | thats odd | 05:36 |
| MrMazda | no, kubuntu | 05:36 |
| ogra | sure | 05:36 |
| ogra | as long as you dont use it as a server, you wont have such evil stuff installed | 05:38 |
| MrMazda | either I install it, or some different distro | 05:39 |
| ogra | you dont need protmap on the client side | 05:39 |
| MrMazda | every linux in this building is a nfs server | 05:40 |
| MrMazda | samba sux | 05:40 |
| ogra | so install nfs-kernel-server and be happy | 05:40 |
| ogra | it will install portmap alongside | 05:40 |
| ogra | but nbote that ubuntu has a policy of no open ports by default for security reasons ... so server stuff has to be instaled manually in a default ubuntu | 05:41 |
| MrMazda | now it wants the @#$#$ CD o_O | 05:42 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list | 05:42 |
| ogra | sure | 05:42 |
| ogra | if you didnt run synaptic to add other sources | 05:42 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: and add # to the first line | 05:42 |
| MrMazda | I added sources yesterday | 05:42 |
| ogra | with synaptic ? | 05:43 |
| MrMazda | with adept | 05:43 |
| ogra | it comments the Cd entry if you add network sources | 05:43 |
| ogra | lol | 05:43 |
| ogra | adept | 05:43 |
| MrMazda | inept | 05:43 |
| ogra | the first packaging tool with bugzilla interface | 05:43 |
| ogra | the search functions look and feel like a bugzilla .... | 05:44 |
| ogra | the ksynaptic UI was far beyond ... but sucked in the backend ... | 05:45 |
| ogra | thats an area where kubuntu really needs improvement ... | 05:45 |
| ivan | i have Transmetta processor. can I make kernel? | 05:54 |
| ogra | on the server or the thin clients ? | 05:55 |
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| MrMazda | installing nfs0=-kernel-server got rid of the problem | 05:57 |
| MrMazda | installing nfs-kernel-server got rid of the problem ogra | 05:57 |
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| MrMazda | wierd, system services says portmap starts at boot but isn't running :-p | 05:59 |
| MrMazda | same for nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common o_O | 06:00 |
| lucasvo | ogra: how many clients can one run over 10mbit? | 06:01 |
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| ogra | MrMazda, is that updated from hoary ? | 06:02 |
| MrMazda | no, CD install last night | 06:02 |
| a-865 | not running, but mounted here :-p | 06:02 |
| ogra | lucasvo, there are numbers at ltsp.org anywhere | 06:02 |
| ogra | nfs-kernel-server only starts with proper /etc/exports ... | 06:04 |
| MrMazda | system services applet seems totally bogus | 06:05 |
| ogra | works fine here | 06:05 |
| MrMazda | won't let me disable pcmcia | 06:05 |
| MrMazda | or anything else | 06:05 |
| MrMazda | or tell me stuff that's running is running | 06:05 |
| ogra | but you run it woth sudo, yes ? | 06:05 |
| MrMazda | run what | 06:05 |
| ogra | services-admin | 06:06 |
| ogra | what else ? | 06:06 |
| ogra | we dont have anything else in edubuntu for services | 06:06 |
| MrMazda | all I did was click system services | 06:06 |
| MrMazda | this is kubuntu | 06:06 |
| ogra | so please ask in -kubuntu about it | 06:06 |
| ogra | #kubuntu | 06:06 |
| MrMazda | that place is a hopeless pile of noise | 06:07 |
| ogra | we're edubuntu here | 06:07 |
| ogra | and dont use KDE apart from kdeedu | 06:07 |
| === jsgotangco remembers something about idiot users heh | ||
| ogra | in #kubuntu ? | 06:07 |
| jsgotangco | no a certain osdl thread... | 06:08 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 06:08 |
| MrMazda | both #kubuntu and #unbuntu are noise jungles | 06:08 |
| ogra | heh | 06:08 |
| ogra | MrMazda, but this is exclusively for edubuntu here ... please treat it ike that | 06:08 |
| MrMazda | I tried to install edubuntu yesterday 3 times but had to give up and do kubuntu | 06:08 |
| ogra | i'm fine with helping for edubuntu related stuff ... | 06:08 |
| ogra | but my time is limited and i'm not willing to do Riddells work ... | 06:09 |
| MrMazda | freespace on / is 473212 - Is that enuf for add the edu package? | 06:09 |
| ogra | edubuntu-desktop ? | 06:10 |
| ogra | nope | 06:10 |
| ogra | as i said, you need a min amount of2.6Gb | 06:10 |
| MrMazda | until I stumble on a bigger disk for the kid's puter that's all there is | 06:11 |
| ogra | about 1-200MB less if yu dont have the server stuff installed | 06:11 |
| MrMazda | web site sys req doc should say how much is really required | 06:11 |
| MrMazda | I wouldn't have tried otherwise | 06:11 |
| ogra | it will | 06:11 |
| ogra | but its easy to compute from the ubuntu sizes ... | 06:12 |
| MrMazda | mebbe I can steal some space from doze for /home and use the whole #2 HD for edubuntu | 06:12 |
| ogra | ubuntu itself needs at least 2.2-2.4 GB | 06:12 |
| ogra | you could resize the win partition | 06:13 |
| ogra | with gparted from the liveCD | 06:13 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: delete /home and mount /home over nfs | 06:13 |
| MrMazda | the 7G doze partition is only 44% used | 06:14 |
| ogra | but your /home is not the problem, the apps are installed in / | 06:14 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: so delete doze | 06:14 |
| MrMazda | too soon for that | 06:14 |
| MrMazda | lotta stuff there | 06:15 |
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| MrMazda | ogra: I'm gonna just get rid of separate /home for now and give edubuntu the whole HD | 06:22 |
| MrMazda | I can deal with separate /home some other time | 06:22 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: and after you have been convinced by the power of edubuntu you can get rid of windoze | 06:22 |
| MrMazda | mebbe, but I still don't like Gnome. Kid prolly won't know difference though | 06:23 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: yes | 06:23 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: and you will learn to love gnome | 06:23 |
| === MrMazda doubts that | ||
| MrMazda | /hates lack of customizability & dumbing down | 06:24 |
| === MrMazda hates lack of customizability & dumbing down | ||
| jsgotangco | gconf | 06:24 |
| lucasvo | another linux | 06:24 |
| MrMazda | fingers need a rest :-p | 06:25 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: it is not dumbing down | 06:28 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: it is just showing only the things one uses often | 06:28 |
| MrMazda | I've hated Gnome ugliness since I first saw it in 1998 | 06:28 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: do you think it is still ugly? | 06:28 |
| MrMazda | not as bad, but still less fun than KDE | 06:29 |
| lucasvo | kde is ugly bloatware | 06:30 |
| lucasvo | :D | 06:30 |
| ivan | I propose edubuntu for city school. Here we discuss only tech or I can to get help in educaction? | 06:30 |
| jsgotangco | hey no desktop flames here | 06:30 |
| lucasvo | ivan: both | 06:31 |
| jsgotangco | do it in ubuntu-offtopic | 06:31 |
| MrMazda | I think the kid's puter's PS is toast :-( | 06:31 |
| MrMazda | won't turn back on | 06:31 |
| lucasvo | PS? | 06:32 |
| MrMazda | power supply | 06:32 |
| MrMazda | did that several times yesterday too | 06:32 |
| lucasvo | aha | 06:32 |
| lucasvo | ivan: what's the schools infrastructure? | 06:33 |
| ivan | I propose edubuntu for 100 schools in my city | 06:35 |
| MrMazda | took it back upstairs and it started right up :-p | 06:37 |
| MrMazda | gonna try gparted then add the edu package | 06:37 |
| lucasvo | ivan: cool | 06:37 |
| lucasvo | ivan: that's awesome | 06:38 |
| lucasvo | ivan: where? | 06:38 |
| ivan | in Samara in Russia. | 06:39 |
| MrMazda | lucasvo: FWIW, I use SeaMonkey rather than Firefox due to the missing features in FF | 06:44 |
| MrMazda | I like lotsa choices | 06:44 |
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| ivan | Do use anybody edubuntu in school for study math or phusic? | 06:52 |
| lucasvo_ | ivan: there are some applications for math and physics | 06:53 |
| lucasvo_ | kmplot for e.g. | 06:54 |
| ivan | Yes, i know. But I interesting how use in class? How method? May be it is strange questions for West, but in East we have to plan. | 06:57 |
| lucasvo_ | ivan: we dont use pc in class for now... | 06:57 |
| lucasvo_ | at our school | 06:57 |
| ivan | It's strange. On our TV and in the our newspaper we see many west school with many pc. | 07:00 |
| ivan | The Rissia goverment plan to use pc in the school | 07:02 |
| ivan | In 2006 more 10 000 pc will be install in the schools for education | 07:03 |
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| MrMazda | @#$@#$ vfat checker in the installer | 08:20 |
| MrMazda | always finds errors scandisk can't | 08:20 |
| Lord_Athur | I use a lot the bash shell, can I change its default colours? | 08:23 |
| Lord_Athur | for example: when I put dir I'd like to see the folders of a colour(red) :P | 08:23 |
| Lord_Athur | is this possible? | 08:24 |
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| MrMazda | o_O http://www.google.com/linux?num=30&hl=en&lr=lang_en&q=site%3Aedubuntu.com+ltsp&btnG=Search | 08:51 |
| MrMazda | where the heck is the definition of LTSP hiding? | 08:53 |
| MrMazda | why does the site map on edubuntu.com take you to the ubuntu.com site map? | 08:56 |
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| mhz | MrMazda: hey there | 09:28 |
| mhz | so, KDE it is? | 09:28 |
| MrMazda | was | 09:28 |
| MrMazda | repartitioned, installing edubuntu again | 09:29 |
| MrMazda | qtparted wouldn't work | 09:29 |
| MrMazda | so started from scratch | 09:29 |
| mhz | oh, I never used it. I always used cfdisk (command line) | 09:29 |
| MrMazda | I wanted to delete /home and enlarge / | 09:30 |
| MrMazda | it wouldn't let me do anything with / | 09:30 |
| ogra | MrMazda, used a liveCd as i advised before ? | 09:38 |
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| MrMazda | livecd I had was Knoppix with qtparted | 09:39 |
| ogra | uuh, knoppix ... | 09:39 |
| ogra | isnt that fully 2.4 based ? | 09:39 |
| MrMazda | 2.6.11 IIRC, v4.0 | 09:39 |
| ogra | ah, then i wonder why it didnt work | 09:39 |
| MrMazda | new ver every 4 months or so | 09:40 |
| MrMazda | blocked the target partition, no idea why | 09:40 |
| ogra | gparted on the ubuntu livecd is proven to work with all ext* partitions as well as with most win based partitions | 09:40 |
| MrMazda | lotta stuff in Knoppix is like tht | 09:40 |
| Hemet_Ka | how can i open squashfs files? | 09:40 |
| ogra | since its only a frontend to parted, i guess qtparted would work as well .. | 09:41 |
| mhz | MrMazda: did you try latest DamnSamllLinux? | 09:41 |
| MrMazda | no | 09:41 |
| ogra | Hemet_Ka, where in edubuntu do you use squashfs ? | 09:41 |
| mhz | DSL is a very nice and small livecd that lets you do plenty | 09:41 |
| Hemet_Ka | ogra, I'm trying to open a file of a CD | 09:42 |
| mhz | MrMazda: however, i do not remember exactly about its partition system (again, cfdisk is simple and very efective) | 09:42 |
| ogra | Hemet_Ka, an iso ? | 09:42 |
| ogra | you can just loop mount it | 09:42 |
| MrMazda | Corel, Caldera, RedHat, Knoppix, Fedora, SuSE, Mandrake, Mandriva, Xandros all I ever used b4 trying edubuntu/kubuntu yesterday | 09:43 |
| mhz | MrMazda: iirc DSL is about 50 MB only and its gui is prety cool | 09:43 |
| MrMazda | AFAIK, cfdisk cannot resize | 09:43 |
| ogra | nope, it cannot | 09:43 |
| Hemet_Ka | ogra, it's a file put in a live cd | 09:43 |
| mhz | MrMazda: maybe right | 09:43 |
| mhz | MrMazda: but i doubt you have info already there, do you? | 09:44 |
| ogra | Hemet_Ka, no idea, and there is no edubuntu liveCD yet ... | 09:44 |
| MrMazda | I do all my partitioning with http://www.dfsee.com/ but it won't resize ext2 | 09:44 |
| mhz | MrMazda: why you chose ext2 over 3? | 09:44 |
| MrMazda | same difference | 09:44 |
| ogra | yes, that an intresting choice | 09:44 |
| MrMazda | same difference in the partition tables | 09:44 |
| MrMazda | ogra: what? | 09:45 |
| ogra | choosing ext2 over 3 | 09:45 |
| Hemet_Ka | ogra, I'm using edubuntu, but the live cd is of necromantux | 09:45 |
| ogra | ah | 09:45 |
| MrMazda | ext3 is ext3 | 09:45 |
| MrMazda | ext3 is ext2 | 09:45 |
| mhz | ohh, hehehe, I always endup doing mkfs.ext3 :) | 09:45 |
| ogra | Hemet_Ka, but still, there is no method i know | 09:45 |
| Hemet_Ka | :S | 09:45 |
| Hemet_Ka | anyway.. thanks ogra and bye | 09:46 |
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| ogra | he should probably use squashfs-tools :) | 09:47 |
| MrMazda | /boot -> ext2; / -> ext3 | 09:47 |
| MrMazda | same type 83 for both in the tables | 09:48 |
| ogra | wohoo ... i can read out the phonebook of my razr v3 :) | 09:51 |
| ogra | time to write a gui app :) | 09:51 |
| mhz | ogra: what's that? | 09:57 |
| ogra | my mobile ... | 09:57 |
| mhz | a mobile | 09:57 |
| mhz | ok | 09:57 |
| ogra | a very recent motorola | 09:57 |
| mhz | nice | 09:57 |
| mhz | bluetooth? | 09:58 |
| ogra | and you can just access it via imple AT commands | 09:58 |
| ogra | *simple | 09:58 |
| ogra | bluetooth too... | 09:58 |
| mhz | cool | 09:58 |
| ogra | but i was only playing with the usb cable for now | 09:58 |
| === mhz envys other people can just say... "oh, i'll write an interface" | ||
| ogra | at+mpbf="Mauricio Hernandez" would just show me all data about you in my phone ... | 10:00 |
| mhz | nice! | 10:00 |
| ogra | including mailadress, address, and all known numbers | 10:00 |
| mhz | what if that also shows you the logs about calls and calendars and to do? | 10:01 |
| mhz | all that regarding Mauricio Hernandez, of course | 10:01 |
| ogra | if i find the way pumping data *into* the phone, i can just send my evolution addressbook, including IM data (there is a jabber blient for this phone) | 10:01 |
| mhz | cool! | 10:01 |
| ogra | but anyway,just a pet project ... typically for never being finished ;) | 10:02 |
| mhz | I whish evolution could have 'threaded' calendars, tasks and addressbooks | 10:02 |
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| mhz | ogra: hehehe inded | 10:02 |
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| ogra | even more cool would be bluetooth acces, registering an alsa device and being able to use a headset attached to my lappie to use the phone ... | 10:04 |
| crimsun | need a bit more robust bt support in ALSA first | 10:08 |
| MrMazda | edub sure takes a long time to install | 10:11 |
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| mhz | ogra, ogra, ogra... a real cool pet project could be to have a gui install for Moin :D | 10:21 |
| mhz | ogra: have you seen kjcole? | 10:28 |
| ogra | nope | 10:34 |
| ogra | he mailed me some bzr questions... | 10:34 |
| ogra | but we havent met | 10:34 |
| mhz | :( | 10:35 |
| mhz | me neither | 10:35 |
| === mhz is making his custom | ||
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh | ||
| MrMazda | mount: unknown filesystem type: nfs :( | 11:13 |
| MrMazda | ogra: u there? install done, and badly | 11:13 |
| ogra | but you read the docs as advised in the topic ? | 11:14 |
| MrMazda | day or two ago | 11:14 |
| ogra | and follwed it ? | 11:14 |
| MrMazda | can't remember it all after 7 installs | 11:14 |
| ogra | whats wrong with the install ? | 11:14 |
| MrMazda | no X, corrupt consoles, no nfs | 11:14 |
| ogra | hmm, what did you do ? youre the first person reporting probs there | 11:15 |
| MrMazda | kubuntu had no problem configuring usable X without any help | 11:16 |
| ogra | its the same configuration tool | 11:16 |
| MrMazda | I dunno, that's what happened | 11:16 |
| ogra | apart from the desktop all ubuntus are 100% identical | 11:16 |
| MrMazda | without nfs can't get logs onto server to upload for anyone to look at | 11:16 |
| ogra | so only if you did soemthing that broke the install thic could happen | 11:17 |
| ogra | have you seen any errors ? | 11:17 |
| MrMazda | EE stuff in /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 11:17 |
| ogra | nope, i mean during the install ... | 11:18 |
| MrMazda | I wasn't looking the whole 2 hours | 11:18 |
| ogra | it should run cleanly until it starts X in the end of the process | 11:18 |
| ogra | with a reboot in the middle | 11:18 |
| MrMazda | maybe it doesn't like me interrupting that in order to put my bootloader back the way it found it? | 11:19 |
| MrMazda | rude to not ask me where to put bootloader | 11:19 |
| ogra | oh, so you didnt use the default install | 11:19 |
| MrMazda | tried workstation install | 11:19 |
| ogra | thats fine ... | 11:20 |
| MrMazda | isn't there some installation log somewhere? | 11:20 |
| ogra | then your install is 100% identical with kubuntu, except that gnoem is installed instead of kde, i wonder what happened there | 11:20 |
| ogra | sure, in 7var/lo7onstaller and /var/log/base-config | 11:20 |
| ogra | GRRRR | 11:21 |
| ogra | /var/log/istaller | 11:21 |
| ogra | *installer | 11:21 |
| ogra | sorry, its very late here | 11:21 |
| MrMazda | I got apt configured with universe and installed mc | 11:21 |
| ogra | post install ? | 11:21 |
| MrMazda | yes | 11:21 |
| ogra | thats fine ... | 11:21 |
| MrMazda | but why no nfs? | 11:22 |
| ogra | but the broken install is what bothers me... also 2h are *very* unusual | 11:22 |
| MrMazda | I thought that was in kernel? | 11:22 |
| ogra | nope, its modular, but gets auoloaded | 11:22 |
| ogra | by hotplug ... | 11:22 |
| ogra | as all modules are | 11:22 |
| ogra | which CD did you use ? | 11:23 |
| MrMazda | en 5.10 edubuntu | 11:23 |
| ogra | the 5.10 release ? or a daily from the de release | 11:23 |
| ogra | *dev | 11:23 |
| MrMazda | 13 Oct | 11:24 |
| ogra | hmm, never saw anyone having probs with it ... | 11:24 |
| MrMazda | my birthday | 11:24 |
| ogra | oh, then you have on the same day as our CTO :) | 11:24 |
| MrMazda | 54 years later | 11:24 |
| ogra | sure ? | 11:24 |
| ogra | so you are in the 70s ? | 11:25 |
| MrMazda | ? | 11:25 |
| MrMazda | 1951 | 11:25 |
| ogra | ah | 11:25 |
| ogra | he is something like 27 or 28 years old .... | 11:25 |
| MrMazda | Kubunto Official Release 13 Oct, right? | 11:25 |
| ogra | so 54+27 would be quite old ;) | 11:26 |
| MrMazda | Edubuntu Official Release 13 Oct, right? | 11:26 |
| ogra | yup | 11:26 |
| ogra | same base, different desktop | 11:26 |
| MrMazda | I could install kubuntu again, than add the edu pkg | 11:26 |
| ogra | thats what i mean, its pretty unusual that you have probs there ... | 11:26 |
| MrMazda | all because qtparted wouldn't let me resize | 11:27 |
| ogra | since the X server/autodetection etc are 100% the same | 11:27 |
| MrMazda | I'll go try one more time | 11:27 |
| MrMazda | if that doesn't work, back to SuSE | 11:27 |
| ogra | hmm :/ | 11:27 |
| lucasvo | SuSE was good, but isn't anymore | 11:28 |
| ogra | did anything change with the HW between kubuntu and this install ? | 11:28 |
| MrMazda | works for me | 11:28 |
| lucasvo | I havn't tried opensuse | 11:28 |
| MrMazda | just moved the box downstairs then back upstairs | 11:28 |
| ogra | yes, but i would be sad to loose a user .. | 11:28 |
| MrMazda | leaving mc out of a base install is one strike to start with, and console non-working is strike 2; only save is tty works OK in runlevel 1 | 11:29 |
| lucasvo | exactly | 11:29 |
| ogra | different monitor ? | 11:29 |
| MrMazda | nope | 11:30 |
| MrMazda | identical | 11:30 |
| MrMazda | debians always give me headaches rpms don't | 11:30 |
| ogra | hmm, so why did X detection work in kubuntu but not in edubuntu then :/ | 11:30 |
| MrMazda | had Xandros mostly working | 11:30 |
| MrMazda | Xandros was mostly nice, but it too has broken ttys | 11:31 |
| ogra | i never saw xandros ... | 11:31 |
| MrMazda | upstairs I used a different USB mouse | 11:31 |
| ogra | hmm.... | 11:31 |
| MrMazda | same one that worked with kubuntu | 11:32 |
| ogra | could you try with the same HW you used in kubuntu ? | 11:32 |
| MrMazda | it IS the same | 11:32 |
| ogra | especially the WS install should be a no brainer .. | 11:32 |
| MrMazda | except | 11:32 |
| ogra | answer 10 questions and just wait till its finished ... no rocket sience ... | 11:33 |
| MrMazda | I think I typed in 'linux workstation vga=788' instead of just workstation | 11:33 |
| ogra | ah | 11:33 |
| ogra | that might have broken it ... | 11:33 |
| ogra | just use workstation | 11:33 |
| lucasvo | any thoughts of using graphical installation? | 11:33 |
| ogra | did you use such a string with kubuntu ? | 11:33 |
| MrMazda | there is one? | 11:33 |
| ogra | nope | 11:33 |
| MrMazda | don't remember what I started kubuntu with | 11:33 |
| MrMazda | prolly just enter | 11:34 |
| ogra | dapper will have the ubuntu express installer ... | 11:34 |
| MrMazda | dapper needs to ask where I want boot loader | 11:34 |
| lucasvo | ogra: what is ubuntu express installer? | 11:34 |
| ogra | so we will stop sending out install CD through shipit and ship only the liveCD with ubuntu/kubuntu express | 11:34 |
| lucasvo | ah, cool | 11:34 |
| ogra | saves 50% of money | 11:35 |
| MrMazda | I'm gonna go start again with just workstation | 11:35 |
| lucasvo | ogra: I was thinking about asking to include such a function to dapper | 11:35 |
| ogra | MrMazda, thanks :) | 11:35 |
| ogra | lucasvo, it was long planned ... | 11:35 |
| lucasvo | ogra: guess great minds are similar | 11:35 |
| lucasvo | :D | 11:35 |
| ogra | we already planned it at the sydney conference for breezy ... but switching to gcc4 and modular X took to long in breezy | 11:36 |
| ogra | so there was no time left for development | 11:36 |
| ogra | and i was planned for the gui stuff in the beginning, before i suddenly got edubuntu assigned 3 months before release date ... | 11:37 |
| ogra | so i had no time at all to work on it and had to care for building edubuntu instead ... | 11:37 |
| lucasvo | I think this has more priority | 11:39 |
| lucasvo | what about yast, I am quite surprised, yast didn't gain popularity when it became oss | 11:39 |
| ogra | because its crap | 11:40 |
| ogra | MrMazda is right, suse once was a very nice distro ... | 11:40 |
| ogra | then they invented yast2 ... | 11:40 |
| ogra | nd stopped doing things right ... which they did before | 11:41 |
| === lucasvo remembers when he was 7 and was looking at his neighbours screen running an xterm and yast | ||
| ogra | i remember the first suse i saw ... | 11:41 |
| ogra | it was 14 floppys and basicly a slackware with added value :) | 11:42 |
| lucasvo | :D | 11:42 |
| lucasvo | when I first saw it there was already a CD | 11:42 |
| ogra | i decided to go with the *real* slackware back then .... | 11:43 |
| ogra | and was very soon forced to use debian by my job ... | 11:43 |
| lucasvo | my friend had a linux from scratch but now he doesn't have time anymore next to work | 11:44 |
| MrMazda | ogra: copying from CD ... | 11:45 |
| ogra | great :) | 11:45 |
| MrMazda | other distros I usually do FTP installs | 11:45 |
| ogra | other distros also come on 20 CDs ;) | 11:46 |
| MrMazda | or 7 or 8 or 5 or 3 :) | 11:46 |
| ogra | hehe | 11:46 |
| ogra | yes :) | 11:46 |
| ogra | we have either a DVD (with all supported software) or the CD ... | 11:47 |
| ogra | putting all 17000 packages on media would result in about 5 stuffed DVDs | 11:47 |
| ogra | or even more ... | 11:48 |
| MrMazda | I bought the SuSE 10 box, came with no manual, made me very mad | 11:48 |
| ogra | if the distro is good enough to need no manual, thats fine imho ... | 11:48 |
| MrMazda | need some manual every now and then | 11:49 |
| ogra | i agree with stallman in this point ... a real perfect software is good enough to need a manual ... | 11:49 |
| MrMazda | my last too old for udev and 2.6 kernels | 11:49 |
| ogra | sadly there is no real perfect software in this world *G* | 11:49 |
| MrMazda | sure there is, OS/2 :) | 11:49 |
| ogra | heh | 11:49 |
| ogra | a bit outdated though ... | 11:50 |
| ogra | did you try the new version ? | 11:50 |
| ogra | they released something this year iirc | 11:50 |
| MrMazda | kernel I'm running is 3 months old | 11:50 |
| MrMazda | 849,262 bytes | 11:50 |
| MrMazda | doesn't limit me to 15 SATA partitions either | 11:51 |
| ogra | i dont even have 15 partitions in use ... | 11:52 |
| ogra | nowhere | 11:52 |
| MrMazda | http://www.ecomstation.com/ | 11:53 |
| MrMazda | this disk has about 40 | 11:53 |
| a-865 | this also has about 40 | 11:53 |
| ogra | but what for ? | 11:53 |
| MrMazda | FIFO | 11:53 |
| MrMazda | backup | 11:53 |
| MrMazda | lotsa smalls | 11:53 |
| ogra | the ecomstation gui somewhat reminds me on amiga ... | 11:54 |
| MrMazda | I've preordered 2.0 | 11:54 |
| MrMazda | the OS/2 WPS is why people stay instead of switching | 11:55 |
| MrMazda | IBM moved the primary OS/2 kernel hacker onto Linux 1 Dec, so the future is not bright | 11:56 |
| ogra | why ? he could enhance linux with os/2 features :) | 11:57 |
| MrMazda | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.os2.bugs/msg/1ee73f8bbddfac18?hl=en& | 11:58 |
| ogra | yes, but he's agreat mind, so it will get linux forward ... the OS/2 business is a dead end as long as ibm doesnt want to invest there | 11:59 |
| MrMazda | The eCS people want to eventually have the OS/2 desktop working on BSD or something like that | 12:00 |
| MrMazda | people aren't web to OS/2, only its WPS | 12:00 |
| MrMazda | people aren't wed to OS/2, only its WPS | 12:00 |
| ogra | yes, but still, there is no business model behind it anymore ... as long as nobody pays, it will die or idle around in slow development | 12:01 |
| ogra | as BSD it will become a niche product ... | 12:02 |
| MrMazda | so how long should a edubuntu WS install take anyway? | 12:02 |
| MrMazda | been about 20 min since start | 12:03 |
| ogra | less than 1h on recent HW | 12:03 |
| MrMazda | not recent | 12:03 |
| MrMazda | PIII-350 | 12:03 |
| ogra | so around 1h then | 12:03 |
| ogra | its a question of disk/CD speed | 12:03 |
| ogra | not the CPU | 12:03 |
| MrMazda | CD prolly only 4X | 12:03 |
| MrMazda | mebbe 8X | 12:03 |
| ogra | ah, k then it migh take longer | 12:03 |
| MrMazda | another FTP install advantage - don't need fast readers | 12:04 |
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