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MrMazdalucasvo: didn't work, downloading kubuntu now12:45
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MrMazdadownload complete12:48
MrMazdalosts faster than yesterday12:48
mhzuuuufff12:49
mhzfinally12:49
MrMazdamhz: 3 attempts to install failed with disk full, so now gonna do kubuntu instead12:49
mhzthis is not logical :(12:50
MrMazda /var/cache/apt/archive over 500M of stuff12:50
mhzhow big is your HD?12:51
MrMazda1st 2 tries 1.95G /, 3rd 2.25G /12:51
MrMazdappl on #ubuntu said 1.6G should be enuf12:52
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MrMazdalucasvo: kubuntu installed, but it's stuck at 640x480 :-p03:21
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Lord_AthurI'm a linux user, but I'll have to use win a few days04:02
Lord_Athuris there a program to work on terminal from win?04:02
pituxLord_Athur putty04:03
pituxconnect with ssh 04:03
Lord_Athurbut I haven't got a linux server :S04:04
Lord_Athuris there an emulator?04:04
Lord_Athurbye04:12
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lulurootlucasvo: this be the new MrMazda system running kubuntu, Firefox & Chatzilla 04:29
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mhzre05:42
MrMazdamhz: struck out 3 times with out of disk space on edubuntu, got kubutu going OK o_O06:04
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: there will be NO meeting on 28 Dec and 4 Jan. | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | see also #edubuntu-es and #edubuntu-de
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: there will be NO meeting on 28 Dec and 4 Jan. | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | see also #edubuntu-es and #edubuntu-de
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lucasvoMrMazda: cool, you did it?02:15
lucasvoMrMazda: if you want to install edubuntu just type: apt-get install edubuntu-desktop02:16
lucasvoMrMazda: you screen resolution is working/02:17
MrMazdalucasvo: I had to add manually to xorg.conf the missing HorizSync and VertRefresh, then the higher resolutions worked02:48
lucasvoMrMazda: I had the same problems02:48
lucasvoMrMazda: best to do is: submit a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com02:48
MrMazdaconsoles randomly get error messages making them useless02:49
MrMazdabug about the bad edubuntu installs? about the defective xorg.conf?02:49
lucasvodefective xorg.conf02:52
MrMazdak02:53
MrMazdawhere/what name is the installation log?02:53
MrMazdalotsa gstreamer and fontconfig error messages during install on tty402:54
lucasvoMrMazda: /var/log/x*.log02:56
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MrMazdak02:57
lucasvolucasvo@lama:~$ vi /var/log/Xorg.20.log.old02:57
MrMazda20 is from the installer?02:57
lucasvono03:01
lucasvoMrMazda: look at all of the Xorg logs03:01
jelknerogra: good morning oliver03:03
lucasvo15:03 < djm62> lucasvo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-corg03:03
lucasvoMrMazda: delete all the /var/log/Xorg*03:03
lucasvothen do:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg03:04
lucasvoMrMazda: then you can attach the xorg.log03:04
lucasvoMrMazda: you have to do that in tty2-503:04
lucasvoMrMazda: and then you have to add horzsync again03:05
MrMazdalucasvo: I have to go upstairs to do all this03:05
MrMazdalucasvo: I saved the original xorg.conf03:05
lucasvook03:05
lucasvoMrMazda: or ssh I think :D03:05
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lucasvohi Yagisan 03:12
lucasvoMrMazda: running kda?03:12
YagisanG'day lucasvo03:13
lucasvoMrMazda: try apt-get install edubuntu-desktop03:13
MrMazdaI don't like Gnome03:13
lucasvoMrMazda: why? 03:13
lucasvobecause of linus? :D03:13
lucasvoMrMazda: in edubuntu-desktop you get all  the education apps03:13
MrMazdaused to KDE since years ago when Gnome was awful03:14
lucasvoMrMazda: yes, I did too, I am using gnome since warty03:14
MrMazdagotta find out if enuf space left on device :-D03:14
lucasvoMrMazda: apt-get remove kde03:14
MrMazdaadded some stuff already, so it's pretty full03:14
ograMrMazda, how much space do you have ? 03:14
MrMazdao_O03:14
MrMazdagotta go upstairs to see what's left03:15
MrMazda2.25G to start with for /03:15
ograthats not enough for a default edubuntu ...03:15
ograyou'll need ~2.6G03:15
MrMazdaI read some doc that said needs 2G03:15
Yagisanthat's barely enough for normal ubuntu03:15
ogra2.2G is fine for a normal ubuntu, edubuntu brings more apps03:16
ograkdeedu and all the kde stuff we ship is an ugl beast ...03:16
ogra*ugly03:16
lucasvoapt-get remove qt03:16
ograheh03:17
YagisanMrMazda, normal ubuntu installs in 2G, but whoever wrote that never tried it. I did - you don't have any space left.03:17
lucasvoI hate the qt dual licensing :(03:17
ograits gone with qt403:17
lucasvoogra: it is?03:17
Yagisanlucasvo: why ?03:17
ograafaik, yes03:17
ograhey jelkner 03:17
lucasvoYagisan: for e.g. german post had to remove their stampit *proprietary* plugin for openoffice since it includes qt03:18
MrMazdalooks like I could get some space back by removing a bunch of eastern fonts03:18
MrMazdaway lotta font packages installed03:19
lucasvoMrMazda: did you clear /var/cache/apt/archives/?03:19
MrMazdagot 450K back from doing that manually03:19
ograyes, that might give you 2-300MB03:19
ograeeek03:19
ogranever do that manually03:19
jelknerogra: good morning03:19
ogrause apt-get clean for that03:19
MrMazdacouldn't find another way03:19
lucasvoogra: ok03:19
Yagisanlucasvo: that's what happens when you don't read the license03:20
MrMazdathat wasn't what was suggested yesterday03:20
ograMrMazda, i wasnt around in the evening :)03:20
MrMazdasomeone said some other kind of clean03:20
lucasvoYagisan: they are allowed to include their software with dual licensing?03:20
lucasvoMrMazda: *me*03:20
lucasvoMrMazda: I was wrong03:20
MrMazdatoo late now :-)03:20
ograyup03:21
ograwont break heavily though, dont worry ...03:21
MrMazdaalready added repositories and updated03:21
MrMazdagimp03:22
MrMazdamc03:22
Yagisanlucasvo: the author of qt can license it however they like.03:22
ograbut as a rule of thumb, if there is a tool in a linux system, never edit files manually or delete stuff, you might miss something that tool would do as well03:22
MrMazdafirefox/thunderbird03:22
MrMazdaI know that rule03:22
MrMazdagotta be able to find that GUI tool though03:22
lucasvoMrMazda: synaptic?03:22
ografor maintaining packages ? 03:22
ograthats synaptic or gnome-app-install03:22
ograkubuntu/kde has something similar03:23
lucasvognome-app-install is lame03:23
ograwhy ?03:23
MrMazdasynaptic, dpkg, apt, adept - too many different tools for packages03:23
lucasvoit only provides the most common packages03:23
lucasvoMrMazda: you forgot aptitude03:23
ogragnome-app-install is far superior to synaptic on the usability side03:23
MrMazdaaptitude, synaptic, dpkg, apt, adept - too many different tools for packages03:23
ograthey do different things :)03:24
ograsynaptic and aptitude are just frontends03:24
lucasvodpkg is included into almost everything03:24
YagisanMrMazda: I can point to at least one of those tools that doesn't work on my X less box03:24
ogra... to apt03:24
ograapt is a frontend to dpkg03:24
ograadept is a copy of synaptic in kde03:24
ograthey are completely different things ...03:25
MrMazdayou're making me try to learn to much - I'm a rpm user03:25
spacey_kieven working on weekends ogra ;/03:25
MrMazdaDebian gives me fits03:25
ograspacey_ki, not really ...03:25
Yagisanmy preferred front end is aptitude03:25
lucasvoI prefer apt03:25
MrMazdascrewed up tty video on every one of them03:25
spacey_kiogra, don't forget to relax a bit :P03:25
ograheh, i'll try03:26
ograi'm on my way out anyway, GF is ill and i have to pick up food for the animals ... else they'll starve over the weekend03:26
lucasvoogra is in a hurry for dapper :D03:26
ogranah, no hurry at all :)03:26
Yagisanogra: Hope GF gets better soon.03:27
ograwe are fine in our timeframe ...03:27
ograYagisan, i'll tell her ...03:27
ograshe already was better (after 4 weeks of sleepless nights with crying from pain)03:28
ograbut somehow it started over tonight03:28
MrMazdaseems like Bug 7878 resurfaced03:28
Yagisan?? what did she catch ?03:28
spacey_kidamn, thats quite serious03:28
ograwe have no idea03:28
ograseems it hurts heavily below her right eye ....03:29
spacey_kiwent to hospital i assume?03:29
ograthe doc has no idea what that could be ...03:29
Yagisan2nd opinion ?03:29
ogranow she got pulled out a tooth last week, but that seem not to have been the cause of pain ...03:29
spacey_kitime for a xray03:30
ograi'll arrange a computer tomography next week for here, to get some more insight ...03:30
ograno hospital yet ... she first wants to try out all options without that03:30
spacey_kiwhat is computer tomography?03:31
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Yagisanspacey_ki: most likely cat scan03:32
YagisanI had one done for myself - big white tube03:32
Yagisanstrong magnets03:32
ograyeah ...03:32
ogrababalfish doesnt help :/03:32
spacey_kinot dangerious when you have some metal in your teeth?03:32
ogranope03:33
Yagisanhave some guy say "lie still" while they scan your head03:33
spacey_kinot suddenly teethless03:33
spacey_ki:)03:33
ograand afterwards you have a 3D model of your head ...03:33
Yagisanand then they go, we *still* don't know whats wrong03:33
lucasvothat's cool, I once had to do it with my arm03:33
ograits a kind of xray in slices they do ... and afterwards they build a 3D model of it03:33
Yagisanoh wait - that may only be for me03:34
ograYagisan, i suspect it might be the same for us :/03:34
lucasvoYagisan: it is quite common, they still don't know what's wrong with my arm03:34
ograthe dentist already did a normal xray... nothing suspisious ...03:34
lucasvoI still can't do any push-ups :(03:34
Yagisanat least I got a picture of my head03:35
lucasvolol03:35
Yagisanlucasvo: RSI ??03:35
lucasvoYagisan: rsi?03:35
ograyes, sounds like03:35
ograto much comuter work :)03:35
YagisanRepetitive Strain Injury03:35
ogra*computer03:35
ogratake more rests03:35
Yagisanor ah something else ;)03:35
lucasvoYagisan: I don't know, I had a broken arm a 2 years ago03:36
lucasvoYagisan: broken forever, I can't push anything more than 20kg03:36
spacey_kigood thing you do computer work :P03:36
spacey_kionly need to press keys03:37
lucasvospacey_ki: I am doing headwork in school atm03:37
spacey_kiheadwork?03:37
Yagisanouch, I've shredded all the ligaments on my knee before. Couldn't move my lower leg03:37
lucasvobrainwork03:37
spacey_kiright03:37
spacey_kiwhat work does your brain do03:37
Yagisandragged myself 7 kilometers to a hospital on one leg, just to get it put in plaster03:38
lucasvospacey_ki: math, biology, french, german, english, italian, chemistry, physics03:38
lucasvoand arts and craft03:38
spacey_kiyour on highschool?03:38
lucasvospacey_ki: yes03:38
spacey_kiaha03:38
spacey_kiwhat country? germany?03:39
lucasvospacey_ki: switzerland03:39
spacey_kiah03:39
spacey_kithat figures03:39
lucasvospacey_ki: why?03:39
spacey_kiregarding the languages03:39
lucasvoaha03:39
spacey_ki french, german, english, italian03:39
spacey_ki:)03:39
spacey_kiyou need them all there03:39
spacey_ki:)03:39
lucasvonot really, everybody speaks english03:40
lucasvohttp://www.google.ch/ < is available even in our fourth "official" language...03:41
lucasvorumantsch03:41
lucasvoweb=rait03:41
lucasvoI think it is net = rait03:41
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lucasvoYagisan: where do you live?03:44
spacey_kiwhere are you from then Yagisan 03:44
YagisanSydney03:44
YagisanI'm sure you seen parts of the riots on tv03:45
lucasvo:D03:45
lucasvoYagisan: I don't have/want tv03:45
lucasvobut I read in the newspapers about it03:45
Yagisanlucasvo: that's good. The only thing I use my tv for is for playing my iron chef dvds 03:46
lucasvoiron chef?03:46
lucasvoYagisan: what time is it now in sydney?03:46
Yagisanlucasvo: I bet the papers are only saying white people are attacking lebanese people03:46
lucasvo:D03:46
spacey_kiYagisan, nope03:46
Yagisanalmost 2am03:46
spacey_kii never watch tv03:47
spacey_kievil box ;p03:47
lucasvoexactly03:47
Yagisaniron chef is the best show I have ever seen on TV. It's from Japan. The americans made a crap copy called, Iron Chef America03:48
Yagisanhere we are,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Chef03:48
spacey_kii've seen futurama episode about that :)03:49
Yagisanyou haven't seen Iron Chef ??03:49
YagisanI've got 18GB of it so far ...03:49
Yagisandamm 20GB download quota03:49
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Yagisanspacey_ki: that's the 30% iron chef episode right ?03:53
spacey_kidon't remember:)03:53
spacey_kiat least it was funny :)03:53
spacey_kiYagisan, never seen the orginal show03:53
Yagisanspacey_ki: where are you ?03:54
MrMazdacan't run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg because the tty display is too corrupted - how do I screencap the corruption?03:54
spacey_kiYagisan, netherlands03:54
spacey_kiits not on tv here :)03:54
spacey_kii'm curious though, can you send me an episode?:D03:55
MrMazdalucasvo: are you really /away ?03:55
YagisanMrMazda: how did you corrupt the tty display ?03:56
MrMazdausing keypad keys03:56
MrMazdaalways does that03:56
MrMazdahow do I screencap the corruption?03:57
Yagisanhave you tried typing `clear` no quotes in a console ? (yes it is a dumb question)03:57
YagisanIs x working at all ?03:57
spacey_kirestart03:57
spacey_kiinstead of clear helps03:57
MrMazdaX works - I'm doing what lucasvo said to report the initial configure bug03:58
MrMazdarestart what?03:58
spacey_kitype it in03:58
spacey_kithe terminal03:58
YagisanMrMazda: gimp has a screen capture function03:58
MrMazdagimp is X03:58
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MrMazdathis is tty running dpkg-reconfigure03:59
MrMazdacan't type in clear or restart03:59
spacey_kijust type restart and press enter03:59
spacey_kiworks for me03:59
spacey_ki:)03:59
spacey_kieven if you can't see it03:59
YagisanMrMazda: please clarify - is this a virtual console, or x-term ?04:00
jelknerogra: do you have time for a question?04:01
MrMazdatty[1-6] 04:01
ograjelkner, sure 04:01
jelkneri installed sabayon04:01
ograbtw, did you already test the flight2 CD ?04:01
jelknerno04:01
MrMazdarestart worked, but then on first need for a cursor key it corrupts again spacey04:01
jelkneri can do that monday04:01
ogragreat 04:02
jelknerhow do you want me to test it?04:02
MrMazdacan't get anywhere04:02
ograi'm lagging with the announcement anyway 04:02
jelknerjust do an install and see if it works?04:02
ograyup04:02
jelknerok, i'll burn it tomorrow and install on monday04:02
ograthere are some known issues, i'll point out in the announcement 04:02
jelkneri have two test servers to play with04:02
spacey_kiMrMazda, try in an X terminal?04:02
ogragreat :)04:02
jelknerany i need to know before testing?04:02
ogradont use different languages ... 04:03
jelknerok04:03
jelkneranything else?04:03
MrMazdaspacey_ki: lucasvo said run in tty, so I exited the X session to run on tty04:03
ogratrhere is something wrong with the ubuntu locales onb install, that makes it break if you dont use en_**04:03
spacey_kiyou can also run it in an X terminal04:03
MrMazdaanyway, if tty cannot be fixed I give up on ubuntu04:03
spacey_kiand restart X after that04:03
jelknerok, i won't do anything with languages04:03
ograthe dhcpd needs a new option ... (next-server)04:04
ograelse the clients wont boot :/04:04
jelknerbut speaking of languages, on our breezy boxes we are having great fun with them04:04
MrMazdathis corruption has been a plague even on the failed edubuntu installs04:04
MrMazdattys just HAVE to work04:04
jelkneri'm sitting here at a community center where all the folks speak spanish04:04
ograbut i think i'll revert that change to dhcpd for ubuntu ... its evil to introduce breaking changes with minor version upgrades imho04:04
jelkneri learned how to use the spanish keyboard04:04
MrMazdahow do I screencap the corruption on a tty?04:05
jelknerand we are all on ubuntu-es chatting04:05
YagisanMrMazda: I have no idea why your tty isn't working.  It works fine on all my headless boxes.04:05
jelknercool!04:05
ograjelkner, we had this topinc several times...04:05
jelknerwhich topic?04:05
MrMazdaYagisan: prolly ATI BS04:05
ogra.es lang stuff04:05
MrMazdaonly ATI box I have04:05
ograi think you asked about 10 times about it now04:05
YagisanMrMazda: could you try using the vesa framebuffer instead04:05
jelknermy apologies04:05
ogra:)04:05
jelkneri missed it each time ;-)04:05
jelknerbut i got it now04:06
MrMazdaYagisan: kernel line is VGA=290 because VGA=788 failed04:06
ograso tell me about sabayon 04:06
jelknerbtw. the german teacher in the room before me wants to use the ubuntu lab with her students04:06
ogranice :)04:06
YagisanMrMazda: well, that is a good indication of where the problem lies04:06
jelkneri'm planning on asking you if you know some good resources for them?04:06
jelknerok, back to sabayon04:06
MrMazdaYagisan: same problem in all Debians, no problem in RPMs04:07
jelkneryou said you can't use if from the clients04:07
ograyes04:07
jelknercan i use if from the server to lock down client users?04:07
MrMazdaDebian framebuffer is whacko04:07
ograit opens a xnest window, xnest doesnt work through ssh tunnels 04:07
jelknerok, so we should wait on that04:07
jelkneryes?04:07
ograbut youcan make profiles with it directly on the server desktop04:07
spacey_kionly when you create the policy you need to do it on the server itself04:07
spacey_kibut if you activite it it works for everything04:08
jelknerbut what happens on the client when the user tries to change things04:08
spacey_kionly the admin thingy needs to be on local box04:08
ograi'm not sure that solveable at all, thats why i said i'm not sure we can include it at ubz04:08
jelknerfolks are breaking their desktops04:08
jelkneraccidentally deleting panels and stuff04:08
ogranot if you lock down these options04:08
spacey_kijelkner, did you try using sabayon yet?04:09
jelknerno, i just installed it04:09
jelkneri'm just asking a few high level questions to save time04:09
jelknerlike, "how should i try it?"04:09
spacey_kii think you should give it a try first :p04:09
ograyes, play with it ...04:09
jelknerok, /me stops asking silly questions and goes off to try it...04:10
spacey_kijelkner, if you can't figure it out after trying just ask back. i still have to fix it up myself. good opportunity04:10
jelknerok04:10
spacey_kianyway i'm out for shopping now before everything closes04:10
spacey_kicya04:10
ograi'm not even sure if we need the xnest stuff... its only for arranging the default desktop setup... the locking down feature doesnt use xnest04:10
jelknercool04:11
jelknerfirst question: how to launch it?04:11
jelknercommand line only?04:11
spacey_kiits in the menu :p04:11
ograits in your system menu04:11
jelknerdoesn't seem to be in the menu anywhere?04:11
ogra"User Profile Editor"04:11
jelkneroh, i see04:11
ograi'm still not sure what this icon should represent :)04:12
ograits just a golden swirl04:12
YagisanMrMazda: a quick google doesn't anything that can grab a VGA console.  Try sudo cat /dev/vcs > screendump.txt04:13
jelkneroops, i click on "Edit" and get "Xsession: unable to launch "gnome" X session --- "gnome" not found; falling back to default session."04:14
YagisanMrMazda: You will need to put your password in, but it should grab the screen for you04:14
jelknernever mind04:15
jelknerclicking ok and it started anyway04:15
ograoh, in dapper it silently crashes ...04:15
ograoh, yes, xnest is broken :)04:16
lucasvoMrMazda: no not really04:20
ograluckily we have a totally different kernel to debian :)04:22
ograincluding framebuffer functionallity04:22
ogras/including/especially with the/04:22
lucasvoogra: how about a powerbutton in ldm?04:22
ogralucasvo, sure :)04:22
ograbut i have more important tasks ..04:23
lucasvoogra: is it working from bzr?04:23
ogra??04:23
ograa powerbutton from bzr ? 04:23
lucasvoogra: no, a working powerbutton in ldm from bzr source04:23
ograsure ...04:23
lucasvoogra: how can I install it?04:24
ograoh, you mean if its added in my bzr repo ? nope04:24
lucasvoah04:24
lucasvoogra: so there isn't any written code for now?04:24
jelknerogra: no one can log in to the edubuntu server04:24
ograas i said, i have otherpriorities, ldm powerbutton is only on my nice to have list04:25
lucasvoogra: hm, ok04:25
ograjelkner, look if the sshkeys are right04:25
lucasvoogra: what are other priorities?04:25
ogra(or existing at all)04:25
jelkneri tried restarting dhcp, which had died, but it still isn't working04:25
ogralucasvo, my specs ...04:25
lucasvoogra: launchpad?04:25
ograjelkner, dhcpd has nothing to do with it.... as long as the clients boot, tftp, dhcp and nfs are fine04:26
ograno need to look there04:26
MrMazdahow do I eradicate graphical boot?04:27
jelknerwhich log file should i look in?04:27
ograjelkner, just look for the sshkeys ...04:27
ograno logfile needed04:27
jelknerwhere?04:27
ograwhere you looked the last times you had this ...04:28
ograwait04:28
lucasvoI like the obsolete: EdubuntuUserManagement  ( Oliver Grawert)04:28
ogra/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts04:28
jelknerok i need to take notes this time ;-)04:28
ograjelkner, ^^^ look if the current server ip shows up there04:28
ograif not, run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys 04:29
ograthen try to log in again04:29
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ogralucasvo, yes, thats obsoleted by the network user management spec that goes into ubuntu anyway (but dapper+1 for the server side)04:30
lucasvoI will probably buy a new server for my ltsp, I am thinking off 2x Opteron Dual Core, will there be any problems with ltsp?04:32
lucasvoIs it working with current dapper?04:32
ogranot with dapper04:32
ograyup04:32
lucasvoso the multiarch support is fully included by now?04:32
ograits not working with breezy ... you need the multiarch patch from Yagisan that already is included in dapper04:33
ograyup04:33
lucasvoand what about flash etc. ?04:33
lucasvobinary drivers? for e.g. nvidia?04:33
ograthats nothing i can solve, ask macromedia :)04:33
lucasvobut is it possible to run firefox under 32bit?04:33
lucasvohow about multicore + ubuntu is it working well?04:34
lucasvoor is it overpowered for ubuntu?04:34
ogranot at all04:35
ogramulticore and smp are fine ...04:35
ografor 32bit apps you'll need to build a chroot etc ... 04:35
lucasvowaaa04:36
ograthere are debian docs for that ...04:36
lucasvook, I think I can live without flash04:36
ograits really only flash thats missing...04:36
lucasvowhat else is closed source in ubuntu?04:36
lucasvoah, ok04:36
ograjava for amd64 is fine, as well as all other stuff04:36
ogranvidia/ati ...04:36
ograbut we'll wipe all binary drivers for the thin clients anyway04:37
lucasvoI don't have a 64bit thinclient :D04:37
ograheh04:37
MrMazda[4294880.753000]  atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).04:37
lucasvoor what do you mean?04:37
lucasvoMrMazda: that happens when you press shift+page up for example04:37
MrMazdaYagisan: that's one line of corruption I typed in04:38
ogradropping of the binary drivers has nothing to do with 64bit04:38
lucasvoogra: where will the binarydrivers be dropped?04:38
jelknerogra: no one can log in now04:38
lucasvoogra: on the server or in the chroot?04:38
ograthats a keycode your kernel doesnt know about ... multimedia keys for example04:38
jelkneri tried sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys04:38
MrMazdalucasvo: draws a different screen04:38
ograjelkner, did you look in the file 04:38
MrMazdastill messed up04:38
MrMazdaeven on restart with vga=normal04:39
ogralucasvo, in the chroot04:39
lucasvoogra: aha, ok04:39
jelkneryes, but what am i looking for?04:39
ogra<ogra> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts04:39
ogra<jelkner> ok i need to take notes this time ;-)04:39
ogra<ogra> jelkner, ^^^ look if the current server ip shows up there04:39
ogra<ogra> if not, run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys 04:39
jelkneri did04:40
jelknerand i also restarted the client04:40
ograwas anything in there ?04:40
jelknerin the file?04:40
jelknera lot is there04:40
jelknerbut i don't know what specifically i'm looking for04:40
ogra <ogra> jelkner, ^^^ look if the current server ip shows up there04:40
jelknerahh04:40
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agente87hi everyon04:41
MrMazdadoesn't matter what my vga= line has on it, always cursor keys flood the ttys with those error messages04:41
jelkneryes, it shows up several times04:41
jelknerthe server has two ips04:41
jelknerthey both show up04:41
jelknerand the hostname edubuntu as well04:41
ograjelkner, several times is wrong 04:41
ograempty the file, run the update sshkeys command again...04:42
jelknerok04:42
ograit should show up one time as ip and one time with name04:42
ograhow often did you run the update command already  ?04:42
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lucasvohi agente87 !04:43
agente87hi lucas04:43
agente87how do you do?04:44
lucasvowell, and you?04:44
lucasvoagente87: how about your edubuntu installation?04:44
lucasvoogra: could one just mount /home/ over nfs? 04:44
ograsure04:45
lucasvoagente87: maybe you could do this04:45
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agente87i have made a shared folder04:45
ograjust add it in the servers fstab .... indeed you need a nfs server from where you mount it04:45
lucasvoagente87: I would suggest you install edubuntu-desktop on every client and mount /home/ over nfs04:45
ograerr ? 04:45
lucasvoagente87: you mean on winXP?04:46
ograwhy would you install anything on the client ? 04:46
agente87nop, on edubuntu04:46
lucasvoagente87: ah, over the gui?04:46
agente87the gui?04:46
lucasvoogra: because they have too powerful clients and too weak server04:47
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lucasvopower of server = power of client04:47
jelknerok, there are 6 entries now04:47
ograso you dont want ltsp, but netbooting clients ...04:47
jelkner2 each for edubuntu, 192.168.0.140, and 192.168.1.25404:47
lucasvoogra: this would be good as well04:47
jelknerone ssh-rsa and one ssh-dss04:47
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ograjelkner, thats fine then 04:47
ograjelkner, make sure the ssh server is running any try to log in04:48
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lucasvoogra: did you get my query? 04:48
ogranope04:48
agente87in my school, teachers don't want edubuntu04:48
lucasvoogra: hm, ok04:48
lucasvoogra: so I didn't register my nick04:48
ograare your registered ? 04:48
lucasvoogra: no04:48
ograah04:48
ogrado it then04:48
ograagente87, why ? 04:49
lucasvoogra: what's the name of the register bot?04:49
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ogratry /msg nickserv help04:50
agente87i'm trying to make them prove edubuntu04:50
agente87but they say they don't have time, it's new, you know04:50
ograbut why dont they want it ? 04:50
ograah04:50
ogra:) fear the new :)04:50
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agente87yes;-D04:51
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lucasvoI don't know my nick pw anymore04:51
agente87why must i use a shared /home/ folder?04:51
jelknerogra: we are in a lab with 7 terminals (one directly on the server)04:51
jelkner3 users are logged in04:52
jelknerand have been all morning04:52
jelknerno new users can log in on any of the remaining workstations04:52
jelkneri've tried restarting ssh04:52
lucasvoogra: do you know how I can reset my pw?04:52
ograhmmm, no idea what that is ...04:52
ogralucasvo, nope04:52
lucasvocrap04:53
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agente87nop04:53
ograjelkner, thats an info you should have given before you said nobody can log in04:53
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agente87lucasvo: why should i use a shared /home folder?04:54
lucasvoah now it works04:54
lucasvoagente87: that all the users have their own homedir on every client04:54
lucasvoworkstation04:54
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jelknerogra: ok04:55
agente87ok, like active desktop in windows04:56
jelknerso, now that i have (late, i understand), what next?04:56
ograno idea ...04:56
lucasvoogra: could one use netboot with pxe?04:57
ograsure04:57
ograthats what ltsp does :)04:57
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agente87i'm trying to get some Pentiums 100 to make a classroom with ltsp04:58
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agente87it's too complicated? i have just begin with linux04:58
agente87it's too complicated? i have just begun with linux04:58
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ogranope, not complicated at all 04:59
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lucasvoagente87: the only problem will be the weak server04:59
jelknerogra: but it looks like we've hit some edubuntu bugs05:00
jelknershouldn't we investigate?05:00
jelkneri could try rebooting the server05:00
agente87i have spoken with my director and he will buy some ram05:01
jelknerand let you know what happens05:01
MrMazdalucasvo: I'm not gonna file a bug on the HorizSync/VertRefresh because that original xorg.conf works OK since I've updated everything05:01
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lucasvoMrMazda: ok05:01
MrMazdatoo many such bugs already, and most dupes or fixed05:01
lucasvoMrMazda: mine hasn't been fixed so far05:01
lucasvoMrMazda: I had exactly the same probelm05:02
MrMazdastill the console corruption problem is huge05:02
lucasvoMrMazda: you mean the unknown key messages?05:02
MrMazdadoesn't matter which vga= I use, always unknown key messages05:02
MrMazdatty corruption == unknown key messages05:02
lucasvoMrMazda: maybe it is a wrong keyboard driver?05:03
MrMazdaI tried asking in #kubuntu, but that place is all noise05:03
lucasvoexactly05:03
lucasvoand ubuntu as well05:03
ograMrMazda, note that the keycode errors are totally unrelated to the vga= setting 05:04
MrMazdaobviously05:04
ograthey are two different things in the kernel ...05:04
MrMazdahow do I eradicate the graphical boot?05:04
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ograyou mean usplash ? 05:05
MrMazdawhatever it is that keeps the text messages away05:05
ograjust remove the splash keywoprd from the kernel line 05:05
MrMazdawith other kernels/other distros, splash=0 or nosplash was the method, but they don't work here :-p05:06
jsgotangcohey05:06
lucasvo.w 1205:07
lucasvosorry05:07
jsgotangcoogra, do you have any knowledge on limitations of distribution about our pressed cds?05:07
ograwe dont even have agreement that we'll get pressed CDs yet05:07
jsgotangcoogra, sorry i was supposed to say ubuntu cds in general05:08
jsgotangcoogra, what i mean is for situations like this http://www.ebay.ph/viItem?ItemId=584156052505:08
ograhmm, nope, i'm not working with the shipit team ... ask marilize, kiko or silbs if you can catch them on irc05:09
jsgotangcoyep05:09
ograheh05:09
ograhow much are PHP 250 ?05:09
ograin euro or $ ?05:09
jsgotangco$1USD = P5005:10
ograso its $5 ? 05:10
jsgotangcoroughly05:10
ograi dont think anybody really cares 05:10
jsgotangcobecause i wouldn't like to see a situation where people here ask for CDs and sell for something like that05:11
jsgotangcowhen they can just ask me for one05:11
jsgotangcoheh05:11
jsgotangcowe05:11
jsgotangcowe'll see05:11
jsgotangco=)05:11
ograindeed, if you have the sparetime, monitor the auction and offer them to do so ...05:11
ogra;)05:12
ograor point them to shipit 05:12
lucasvo*lol*05:12
lucasvocourtesy of OSdir.com05:12
MrMazdaogra: thx :)05:12
ogra:)05:12
ograi would have told you earlier, but didnt know waht your problem was :)05:13
MrMazdanfs mount takes WAY to long :(05:13
ograyup, agreed05:13
ograwill be fixed in dapper05:13
ografunnily it takes 3times as long at first boot... the second boot works like a charm ...05:14
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ograi havent found the root of the prob yet ...05:14
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MrMazdait's really bad in single, since there is no network in single05:15
jelknerogra: oliver, i don't know if sabayon had anything to do with it, but i removed sabayon, we rebooted the server, and we can log in again05:15
MrMazdatakes forever to time out05:15
MrMazdaI forgot noauto in FSTAB05:15
lucasvoMrMazda: you mean ntp date?05:15
lucasvoMrMazda: ah nfs05:15
ograjelkner, since you did it both at th same time i cant tell  you either05:15
MrMazdamount -t nfs05:15
jsgotangcohey jelkner 05:16
MrMazdaportmap: server localhost not responding05:16
jelknerogra: i understand, not good testing proceedure, but we are in a training session and need things to work05:16
ograyup05:16
MrMazdaRPC: failed to contact portmap05:16
jelkneri'll test more in another environment later05:16
lucasvoMrMazda: /etc/init.d/portmap start05:16
ogra+ sudo  ;)05:17
lucasvoogra: sudo su && ...05:17
ograbah05:17
MrMazda bash: /etc/init.d/portmap: No such file or directory05:17
ograugh 05:17
ograhow did you install your system ? 05:18
MrMazda"workstation" from CD boot05:18
MrMazdaIIRC05:18
lucasvoMrMazda: edubuntu? kubuntu?05:18
MrMazdamebbe that was edubutu05:18
ograah, ok, that doesnt install any server parts05:18
MrMazdakubuntu05:18
ograkubuntu has no workstation install05:19
MrMazdakubuntu is the problem ATM05:19
ograthat unique in edubuntu05:19
MrMazdawell than I didn't05:19
lucasvoMrMazda: exactly05:19
MrMazdawell then I didn't05:19
MrMazda;-)05:19
ograsince edubuntu defaults to a server install, we included this option05:19
MrMazdathe nfs mounts finally finished05:19
ograno other ubuntu has it05:19
lucasvoMrMazda: you need portmap05:20
ograbut you need portmap installed on a nfs server ...05:20
MrMazdanfs mount means nfs client05:20
ograthere you dont need anything ...05:20
MrMazdaso why the delay mounting?05:21
ograi thought you talk about ltsp ...05:21
ograit doesnt happen in normal ubuntu nfs mounts05:22
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ograwhat kind of server do you run ? 05:24
a-865just this Mandriva 2006 box05:24
ogramight be a misconfiguration on the server ...05:24
MrMazdanah, works fine for everything else05:24
lucasvoMrMazda: nfs on another client?05:24
lucasvoMrMazda: so you installed mandriva on you daughters pc?05:25
ogramounting nfs shares between 2 ubuntu boxes takes milliseconds here 05:25
ograup to 1-2 seconds over 5Mbit wlan ...05:26
lucasvo:(05:27
lucasvoI have my wlan05:27
lucasvo*hate05:27
lucasvoit is stupid05:27
lucasvoslow05:27
ograwokrs fine here ...05:27
ograyes, thats true ... 05:27
lucasvoogra: I have it over 3 storeys05:27
ograbut thats a HW limitation05:27
lucasvoexactly05:27
lucasvoand money05:27
lucasvoand law limitation05:28
ogralaw ?05:28
lucasvo100mW?05:28
ogras/law/health/ ?05:28
lucasvoI mean limitation by law05:28
lucasvono law05:28
lucasvomaybe law is because of health05:28
ograi wouldnt want something with >100Mw on my lap ...05:29
lucasvojup05:29
ograand boil my guts ...05:29
jsgotangcoeven your nuts05:29
ograheh05:29
lucasvothat's why I will soon have fibre05:29
ograwireless fibre ? 05:30
ograi.e. a lightbulb ? 05:30
ogra:)05:30
lucasvoogra: ronja.twibright.com is exactly what you mean05:30
lucasvoogra: but I will use ordinary fibre05:31
ograah, yes, i once worked with such a laser driven system...05:32
ograbut thats bad in snow etc ...05:32
ograif you can put the link on the roof, i prefer a yagi anteanna and wlan ...05:32
lucasvoit is not laser only lled05:32
a-865noauto,ro,nosuid,soft,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 instead of defaults,noauto didn't help ogra 05:33
ograeven worse in bad waehter05:33
ograwhich kernel does mandriva use ? 05:33
Yagisandid someone say yagi ?05:33
ograthere were issues in older 2.6 versions ... try setting the framesizes to 104805:34
ograerr05:34
jsgotangcoantennae05:34
ogra204805:34
jsgotangco=)05:34
lucasvoogra: I am a ronja developer...05:34
a-8652.6.12 here05:34
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MrMazdaon all my other boxen 8192 works fine05:35
MrMazdaportmap is missing from system services :-p05:36
ograin mandriva ? 05:36
ograthats odd05:36
MrMazdano, kubuntu05:36
ograsure 05:36
ograas long as you dont use it as a server, you wont have such evil stuff installed05:38
MrMazdaeither I install it, or some different distro05:39
ograyou dont need protmap on the client side05:39
MrMazdaevery linux in this building is a nfs server05:40
MrMazdasamba sux05:40
ograso install nfs-kernel-server and be happy 05:40
ograit will install portmap alongside 05:40
ograbut nbote that ubuntu has a policy of no open ports by default for security reasons ... so server stuff has to be instaled manually in a default ubuntu 05:41
MrMazdanow it wants the @#$#$ CD o_O05:42
lucasvoMrMazda: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list05:42
ograsure05:42
ograif you didnt run synaptic to add other sources05:42
lucasvoMrMazda: and add # to the first line05:42
MrMazdaI added sources yesterday05:42
ograwith synaptic ? 05:43
MrMazdawith adept05:43
ograit comments the Cd entry if you add network sources05:43
ogralol05:43
ograadept05:43
MrMazdainept05:43
ograthe first packaging tool with bugzilla interface05:43
ograthe search functions look and feel like a bugzilla ....05:44
ograthe ksynaptic UI was far beyond ... but sucked in the backend ...05:45
ograthats an area where kubuntu really needs improvement ...05:45
ivani have Transmetta processor. can I make kernel?05:54
ograon the server or the thin clients ? 05:55
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MrMazdainstalling nfs0=-kernel-server got rid of the problem05:57
MrMazdainstalling nfs-kernel-server got rid of the problem ogra 05:57
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MrMazdawierd, system services says portmap starts at boot but isn't running :-p05:59
MrMazdasame for nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common o_O06:00
lucasvoogra: how many clients can one run over 10mbit?06:01
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ograMrMazda, is that updated from hoary ? 06:02
MrMazdano, CD install last night06:02
a-865not running, but mounted here :-p06:02
ogralucasvo, there are numbers at ltsp.org anywhere06:02
ogranfs-kernel-server only starts with proper /etc/exports ...06:04
MrMazdasystem services applet seems totally bogus06:05
ograworks fine here 06:05
MrMazdawon't let me disable pcmcia06:05
MrMazdaor anything else06:05
MrMazdaor tell me stuff that's running is running06:05
ograbut you run it woth sudo, yes ? 06:05
MrMazdarun what06:05
ograservices-admin06:06
ograwhat else ? 06:06
ograwe dont have anything else in edubuntu for services06:06
MrMazdaall I did was click system services06:06
MrMazdathis is kubuntu06:06
ograso please ask in -kubuntu about it06:06
ogra#kubuntu06:06
MrMazdathat place is a hopeless pile of noise06:07
ograwe're edubuntu here06:07
ograand dont use KDE apart from kdeedu06:07
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ograin #kubuntu ? 06:07
jsgotangcono a certain osdl thread...06:08
jsgotangcohehe06:08
MrMazdaboth #kubuntu and #unbuntu are noise jungles06:08
ograheh06:08
ograMrMazda, but this is exclusively for edubuntu here ... please treat it ike that 06:08
MrMazdaI tried to install edubuntu yesterday 3 times but had to give up and do kubuntu06:08
ograi'm fine with helping for edubuntu related stuff ... 06:08
ograbut my time is limited and i'm not willing to do Riddells work ... 06:09
MrMazdafreespace on / is 473212 - Is that enuf for add the edu package?06:09
ograedubuntu-desktop ? 06:10
ogranope06:10
ograas i said, you need a min amount of2.6Gb06:10
MrMazdauntil I stumble on a bigger disk for the kid's puter that's all there is06:11
ograabout 1-200MB less if yu dont have the server stuff installed06:11
MrMazdaweb site sys req doc should say how much is really required06:11
MrMazdaI wouldn't have tried otherwise06:11
ograit will06:11
ograbut its easy to compute from the ubuntu sizes ...06:12
MrMazdamebbe I can steal some space from doze for /home and use the whole #2 HD for edubuntu06:12
ograubuntu itself needs at least 2.2-2.4 GB 06:12
ograyou could resize the win partition06:13
ograwith gparted from the liveCD06:13
lucasvoMrMazda: delete /home and mount /home over nfs06:13
MrMazdathe 7G doze partition is only 44% used06:14
ograbut your /home is not the problem, the apps are installed in /06:14
lucasvoMrMazda: so delete doze06:14
MrMazdatoo soon for that06:14
MrMazdalotta stuff there06:15
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MrMazdaogra: I'm gonna just get rid of separate /home for now and give edubuntu the whole  HD06:22
MrMazdaI can deal with separate /home some other time06:22
lucasvoMrMazda: and after you have been convinced by the power of edubuntu you can get rid of windoze06:22
MrMazdamebbe, but I still don't like Gnome. Kid prolly won't know difference though06:23
lucasvoMrMazda: yes06:23
lucasvoMrMazda: and you will learn to love gnome06:23
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MrMazda /hates lack of customizability & dumbing down06:24
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jsgotangcogconf06:24
lucasvoanother linux06:24
MrMazdafingers need a rest :-p06:25
lucasvoMrMazda: it is not dumbing down06:28
lucasvoMrMazda: it is just showing only the things one uses often06:28
MrMazdaI've hated Gnome ugliness since I first saw it in 199806:28
lucasvoMrMazda: do you think it is still ugly?06:28
MrMazdanot as bad, but still less fun than KDE06:29
lucasvokde is ugly bloatware06:30
lucasvo:D06:30
ivanI propose edubuntu for city school. Here we discuss only tech or I can to get help in educaction?06:30
jsgotangcohey no desktop flames here06:30
lucasvoivan: both06:31
jsgotangcodo it in ubuntu-offtopic06:31
MrMazdaI think the kid's puter's PS is toast :-(06:31
MrMazdawon't turn back on06:31
lucasvoPS?06:32
MrMazdapower supply06:32
MrMazdadid that several times yesterday too06:32
lucasvoaha06:32
lucasvoivan: what's the schools infrastructure?06:33
ivanI propose edubuntu for 100 schools in my city06:35
MrMazdatook it back upstairs and it started right up :-p06:37
MrMazdagonna try gparted then add the edu package06:37
lucasvoivan: cool06:37
lucasvoivan: that's awesome06:38
lucasvoivan: where?06:38
ivanin Samara in Russia. 06:39
MrMazdalucasvo: FWIW, I use SeaMonkey rather than Firefox due to the missing features in FF06:44
MrMazdaI like lotsa choices06:44
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ivanDo use anybody  edubuntu in school for study math or phusic?06:52
lucasvo_ivan: there are some applications for math and physics06:53
lucasvo_kmplot for e.g.06:54
ivanYes, i know. But I interesting how use in class? How method? May be it is strange questions for West, but in East we have to plan.06:57
lucasvo_ivan: we dont use pc in class for now...06:57
lucasvo_at our school06:57
ivanIt's strange. On our TV and in the our newspaper we see many west school with many pc.07:00
ivanThe Rissia goverment plan to use pc in the school07:02
ivanIn 2006 more 10 000 pc will be install in the schools for education07:03
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MrMazda@#$@#$ vfat checker in the installer08:20
MrMazdaalways finds errors scandisk can't08:20
Lord_AthurI use a lot the bash shell, can I change its default colours?08:23
Lord_Athurfor example: when I put dir I'd like to see the folders of a colour(red) :P08:23
Lord_Athuris this possible?08:24
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MrMazdao_O http://www.google.com/linux?num=30&hl=en&lr=lang_en&q=site%3Aedubuntu.com+ltsp&btnG=Search08:51
MrMazdawhere the heck is the definition of LTSP hiding?08:53
MrMazdawhy does the site map on edubuntu.com take you to the ubuntu.com site map?08:56
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mhzMrMazda: hey there09:28
mhzso, KDE it is?09:28
MrMazdawas09:28
MrMazdarepartitioned, installing edubuntu again09:29
MrMazdaqtparted wouldn't work09:29
MrMazdaso started from scratch09:29
mhzoh, I never used it. I always used cfdisk (command line)09:29
MrMazdaI wanted to delete /home and enlarge /09:30
MrMazdait wouldn't let me do anything with /09:30
ograMrMazda, used a liveCd as i advised before ? 09:38
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MrMazdalivecd I had was Knoppix with qtparted09:39
ograuuh, knoppix ...09:39
ograisnt that fully 2.4 based ? 09:39
MrMazda2.6.11 IIRC, v4.009:39
ograah, then i wonder why it didnt work09:39
MrMazdanew ver every 4 months or so09:40
MrMazdablocked the target partition, no idea why09:40
ogragparted on the ubuntu livecd is proven to work with all ext* partitions as well as with most win based partitions09:40
MrMazdalotta stuff in Knoppix is like tht09:40
Hemet_Kahow can i open squashfs files? 09:40
ograsince its only a frontend to parted, i guess qtparted would work as well ..09:41
mhzMrMazda: did you try latest DamnSamllLinux?09:41
MrMazdano09:41
ograHemet_Ka, where in edubuntu do you use squashfs ? 09:41
mhzDSL is a very nice and small livecd that lets you do plenty09:41
Hemet_Kaogra, I'm trying to open a file of a CD09:42
mhzMrMazda: however, i do not remember exactly about its partition system (again, cfdisk is simple and very efective)09:42
ograHemet_Ka, an iso ? 09:42
ograyou can just loop mount it09:42
MrMazdaCorel, Caldera, RedHat, Knoppix, Fedora, SuSE, Mandrake, Mandriva, Xandros all I ever used b4 trying edubuntu/kubuntu yesterday09:43
mhzMrMazda: iirc DSL is about 50 MB only  and its gui is prety cool09:43
MrMazdaAFAIK, cfdisk cannot resize09:43
ogranope, it cannot09:43
Hemet_Kaogra, it's a file put in a live cd09:43
mhzMrMazda: maybe right09:43
mhzMrMazda: but i doubt you have info already there, do you?09:44
ograHemet_Ka, no idea, and there is no edubuntu liveCD yet ...09:44
MrMazdaI do all my partitioning with http://www.dfsee.com/ but it won't resize ext209:44
mhzMrMazda: why you chose ext2 over 3?09:44
MrMazdasame difference09:44
ograyes, that an intresting choice09:44
MrMazdasame difference in the partition tables09:44
MrMazdaogra: what?09:45
ograchoosing ext2 over 309:45
Hemet_Kaogra, I'm using edubuntu, but the live cd is of necromantux09:45
ograah09:45
MrMazdaext3 is ext309:45
MrMazdaext3 is ext209:45
mhzohh, hehehe, I always endup doing mkfs.ext3 :)09:45
ograHemet_Ka, but still, there is no method i know 09:45
Hemet_Ka:S09:45
Hemet_Kaanyway.. thanks ogra and bye09:46
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ograhe should probably use squashfs-tools :)09:47
MrMazda /boot -> ext2; / -> ext309:47
MrMazdasame type 83 for both in the tables09:48
ograwohoo ... i can read out the phonebook of my razr v3 :)09:51
ogratime to write a gui app :)09:51
mhzogra: what's that?09:57
ogramy mobile ...09:57
mhza mobile 09:57
mhzok09:57
ograa very recent motorola09:57
mhznice09:57
mhzbluetooth?09:58
ograand you can just access it via imple AT commands 09:58
ogra*simple09:58
ograbluetooth too...09:58
mhzcool09:58
ograbut i was only playing with the usb cable for now09:58
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ograat+mpbf="Mauricio Hernandez" would just show me all data about you in my phone ...10:00
mhznice!10:00
ograincluding mailadress, address, and all known numbers10:00
mhzwhat if that also shows you the logs  about calls and calendars and to do?10:01
mhzall that regarding Mauricio Hernandez, of course10:01
ograif i find the way pumping data *into* the phone, i can just send my evolution addressbook, including IM data (there is a jabber blient for this phone)10:01
mhzcool!10:01
ograbut anyway,just a pet project ... typically for never being finished ;)10:02
mhzI whish evolution could have 'threaded' calendars, tasks and addressbooks10:02
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mhzogra: hehehe inded10:02
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ograeven more cool would be bluetooth acces, registering an alsa device and being able to use a headset attached to my lappie to use the phone ...10:04
crimsunneed a bit more robust bt support in ALSA first10:08
MrMazdaedub sure takes a long time to install10:11
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mhzogra, ogra, ogra... a real cool pet project could be to have a gui install for Moin :D10:21
mhzogra: have you seen kjcole?10:28
ogranope10:34
ograhe mailed me some bzr questions...10:34
ograbut we havent met10:34
mhz:(10:35
mhzme neither10:35
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MrMazdamount: unknown filesystem type: nfs :(11:13
MrMazdaogra: u there? install done, and badly11:13
ograbut you read the docs as advised in the topic ? 11:14
MrMazdaday or two ago11:14
ograand follwed it ? 11:14
MrMazdacan't remember it all after 7 installs11:14
ograwhats wrong with the install ? 11:14
MrMazdano X, corrupt consoles, no nfs11:14
ograhmm, what did you do ? youre the first person reporting probs there 11:15
MrMazdakubuntu had no problem configuring usable X without any help11:16
ograits the same configuration tool 11:16
MrMazdaI dunno, that's what happened11:16
ograapart from the desktop all ubuntus are 100% identical11:16
MrMazdawithout nfs can't get logs onto server to upload for anyone to look at11:16
ograso only if you did soemthing that broke the install thic could happen11:17
ograhave you seen any errors ? 11:17
MrMazdaEE stuff in /var/log/Xorg.0.log11:17
ogranope, i mean during the install ...11:18
MrMazdaI wasn't looking the whole 2 hours11:18
ograit should run cleanly until it starts X in the end of the process11:18
ograwith a reboot in the middle11:18
MrMazdamaybe it doesn't like me interrupting that in order to put my bootloader back the way it found it?11:19
MrMazdarude to not ask me where to put bootloader11:19
ograoh, so you didnt use the default install 11:19
MrMazdatried workstation install11:19
ograthats fine ...11:20
MrMazdaisn't there some installation log somewhere?11:20
ograthen your install is 100% identical with kubuntu, except that gnoem is installed instead of kde, i wonder what happened there11:20
ograsure, in 7var/lo7onstaller and /var/log/base-config11:20
ograGRRRR11:21
ogra/var/log/istaller11:21
ogra*installer11:21
ograsorry, its very late here11:21
MrMazdaI got apt configured with universe and installed mc11:21
ograpost install ? 11:21
MrMazdayes11:21
ograthats fine ...11:21
MrMazdabut why no nfs?11:22
ograbut the broken install is what bothers me... also 2h are *very* unusual11:22
MrMazdaI thought that was in kernel?11:22
ogranope, its modular, but gets auoloaded 11:22
ograby hotplug ...11:22
ograas all modules are11:22
ograwhich CD did you use ? 11:23
MrMazdaen 5.10 edubuntu11:23
ograthe 5.10 release ? or a daily from the de release 11:23
ogra*dev11:23
MrMazda13 Oct11:24
ograhmm,  never saw anyone having probs with it ...11:24
MrMazdamy birthday11:24
ograoh, then you have on the same day as our CTO :)11:24
MrMazda54 years later11:24
ograsure ? 11:24
ograso you are in the 70s ?11:25
MrMazda?11:25
MrMazda195111:25
ograah11:25
ograhe is something like 27 or 28 years old ....11:25
MrMazdaKubunto Official Release 13 Oct, right?11:25
ograso 54+27 would be quite old ;)11:26
MrMazdaEdubuntu Official Release 13 Oct, right?11:26
ograyup11:26
ograsame base, different desktop11:26
MrMazdaI could install kubuntu again, than add the edu pkg11:26
ograthats what i mean, its pretty unusual that you have probs there ...11:26
MrMazdaall because qtparted wouldn't let me resize11:27
ograsince the X server/autodetection etc are 100% the same11:27
MrMazdaI'll go try one more time11:27
MrMazdaif that doesn't work, back to SuSE11:27
ograhmm :/11:27
lucasvoSuSE was good, but isn't anymore11:28
ogradid anything change with the HW between kubuntu and this install ? 11:28
MrMazdaworks for me11:28
lucasvoI havn't tried opensuse11:28
MrMazdajust moved the box downstairs then back upstairs11:28
ograyes, but i would be sad to loose a user ..11:28
MrMazdaleaving mc out of a base install is one strike to start with, and console non-working is strike 2; only save is tty works OK in runlevel 111:29
lucasvoexactly11:29
ogradifferent monitor ?11:29
MrMazdanope11:30
MrMazdaidentical11:30
MrMazdadebians always give me headaches rpms don't11:30
ograhmm, so why did X detection work in kubuntu but not in edubuntu then :/11:30
MrMazdahad Xandros mostly working11:30
MrMazdaXandros was mostly nice, but it too has broken ttys11:31
ograi never saw xandros ...11:31
MrMazdaupstairs I used a different USB mouse11:31
ograhmm....11:31
MrMazdasame one that worked with kubuntu11:32
ogracould you try with the same HW you used in kubuntu ? 11:32
MrMazdait IS the same11:32
ograespecially the WS install should be a no brainer ..11:32
MrMazdaexcept11:32
ograanswer 10 questions and just wait till its finished ... no rocket sience ...11:33
MrMazdaI think I typed in 'linux workstation vga=788' instead of just workstation11:33
ograah11:33
ograthat might have broken it ...11:33
ograjust use workstation11:33
lucasvoany thoughts of using graphical installation?11:33
ogradid you use such a string with kubuntu ? 11:33
MrMazdathere is one?11:33
ogranope11:33
MrMazdadon't remember what I started kubuntu with11:33
MrMazdaprolly just enter11:34
ogradapper will have the ubuntu express installer ...11:34
MrMazdadapper needs to ask where I want boot loader11:34
lucasvoogra: what is ubuntu express installer?11:34
ograso we will stop sending out install CD through shipit and ship only the liveCD with ubuntu/kubuntu express11:34
lucasvoah, cool11:34
ograsaves 50% of money11:35
MrMazdaI'm gonna go start again with just workstation11:35
lucasvoogra: I was thinking about asking to include such a function to dapper11:35
ograMrMazda, thanks :)11:35
ogralucasvo, it was long planned ...11:35
lucasvoogra: guess great minds are similar11:35
lucasvo:D11:35
ograwe already planned it at the sydney conference for breezy ... but switching to gcc4 and modular X took to long in breezy 11:36
ograso there was no time left for development11:36
ograand i was planned for the gui stuff in the beginning, before i suddenly got edubuntu assigned 3 months before release date ...11:37
ograso i had no time at all to work on it and had to care for building edubuntu instead ...11:37
lucasvoI think this has more priority11:39
lucasvowhat about yast, I am quite surprised, yast didn't gain popularity when it became oss11:39
ograbecause its crap11:40
ograMrMazda is right, suse once was a very nice distro ...11:40
ograthen they invented yast2  ...11:40
ogrand stopped doing things right ... which they did before 11:41
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ograi remember the first suse i saw ... 11:41
ograit was 14 floppys and basicly a slackware with added value :)11:42
lucasvo:D11:42
lucasvowhen I first saw it there was already a CD11:42
ograi decided to go with the *real* slackware back then ....11:43
ograand was very soon forced to use debian by my job ...11:43
lucasvomy friend had a linux from scratch but now he doesn't have time anymore next to work11:44
MrMazdaogra: copying from CD ...11:45
ogragreat :)11:45
MrMazdaother distros I usually do FTP installs11:45
ograother distros also come on 20 CDs ;)11:46
MrMazdaor 7 or 8 or 5 or 3 :)11:46
ograhehe11:46
ograyes :)11:46
ograwe have either a DVD (with all supported software) or the CD ...11:47
ograputting all 17000 packages on media would result in about 5 stuffed DVDs11:47
ograor even more ...11:48
MrMazdaI bought the SuSE 10 box, came with no manual, made me very mad11:48
ograif the distro is good enough to need no manual, thats fine imho ...11:48
MrMazdaneed some manual every now and then11:49
ograi agree with stallman in this point ... a real perfect software is good enough to need a manual ...11:49
MrMazdamy last too old for udev and 2.6 kernels11:49
ograsadly there is no real perfect software in this world *G*11:49
MrMazdasure there is, OS/2 :)11:49
ograheh11:49
ograa bit outdated though ...11:50
ogradid you try the new version ? 11:50
ograthey released something this year iirc11:50
MrMazdakernel I'm running is 3 months old11:50
MrMazda849,262 bytes11:50
MrMazdadoesn't limit me to 15 SATA partitions either11:51
ograi dont even have 15 partitions in use ...11:52
ogranowhere 11:52
MrMazdahttp://www.ecomstation.com/11:53
MrMazdathis disk has about 4011:53
a-865this also has about 4011:53
ograbut what for ? 11:53
MrMazdaFIFO11:53
MrMazdabackup11:53
MrMazdalotsa smalls11:53
ograthe ecomstation gui somewhat reminds me on amiga ...11:54
MrMazdaI've preordered 2.011:54
MrMazdathe OS/2 WPS is why people stay instead of switching11:55
MrMazdaIBM moved the primary OS/2 kernel hacker onto Linux 1 Dec, so the future is not bright11:56
ograwhy ? he could enhance linux with os/2 features :)11:57
MrMazdahttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.os2.bugs/msg/1ee73f8bbddfac18?hl=en&11:58
ograyes, but he's agreat mind, so it will get linux forward ... the OS/2 business is a dead end as long as ibm doesnt want to invest there11:59
MrMazdaThe eCS people want to eventually have the OS/2 desktop working on BSD or something like that12:00
MrMazdapeople aren't web to OS/2, only its WPS12:00
MrMazdapeople aren't wed to OS/2, only its WPS12:00
ograyes, but still, there is no business model behind it anymore ... as long as nobody pays, it will die or idle around in slow development12:01
ograas BSD it will become a niche product ...12:02
MrMazdaso how long should a edubuntu WS install take anyway?12:02
MrMazdabeen about 20 min since start12:03
ograless than 1h on recent HW12:03
MrMazdanot recent12:03
MrMazdaPIII-35012:03
ograso around 1h then12:03
ograits a question of disk/CD speed12:03
ogranot the CPU12:03
MrMazdaCD prolly only 4X12:03
MrMazdamebbe 8X12:03
ograah, k then it migh take longer 12:03
MrMazdaanother FTP install advantage - don't need fast readers12:04

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