| Seveas | it's about time I finish that code | 12:01 |
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| \sh | ok...good night | 12:01 |
| Seveas | g'night | 12:01 |
| Mithrandir | nautilus's ssh module is dog slow, though | 12:02 |
| mdke | yeah sometimes it can be annoying | 12:02 |
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| mdke | "fix broken packages" ?? | 12:05 |
| mdke | does language-selector barf if the system is not fully upgraded? | 12:07 |
| Seveas | yes | 12:07 |
| mdke | oh pants | 12:07 |
| Seveas | update-manager and gnome-app-install too | 12:07 |
| mdke | including packages being kept back? | 12:07 |
| Seveas | dunno about that | 12:08 |
| Seveas | poke mvo :) | 12:08 |
| mdke | i will file a bug | 12:08 |
| Seveas | that's one way of poking :) | 12:08 |
| mdke | especially because i don't always get the error message, sometimes it just stops and doesn't do anything | 12:08 |
| mdke | god gnome-app-install doesn't even open | 12:13 |
| Seveas | poke mvo harder :) | 12:13 |
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| mdke | i think that might be a feature tho | 12:15 |
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| mdke | ok 3 bugs could be considered sufficient poking of mvo for one night, i'll go to bed | 12:32 |
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| slomo_ | lamont, infinity: please give-back mono on ppc... it definitely builds fine here on my ppc | 12:52 |
| lamont | slomo_: and what's the error in the log? | 12:56 |
| slomo_ | lamont: a segfault in mono somewhere... i wonder how we can debug this if it's not temporary... i can't reproduce it here :/ | 12:57 |
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| ryanpg | argh... pitti's not around... | 01:06 |
| ryanpg | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20564 still is buggy for me but I don't want to reopen it if I'm the only one | 01:07 |
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| tseng | jdub: hows your list coming? | 02:18 |
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| ryanpg | am I correct in thinking mplayer-686 cannot currently be installed in dapper due to broken libjack dependencies? | 02:37 |
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| jdub | tseng: whichwhat? oh! | 02:50 |
| jdub | tseng: same | 02:50 |
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| Sepheebear | there is no more mplayer-686, they're all dummy packs now | 03:03 |
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| Sepheebear | jdub: since it's a separate package, how about nautilus-open-terminal, not quite a powerdrill but necessary in any geek toolbox | 03:06 |
| jdub | Sepheebear: nautilus-actions usurps it | 03:07 |
| Sepheebear | havent tried that | 03:07 |
| seth_k|lappy | when using the DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_blah variable in debian/rules, how can I install two manpages? (the .deb contains two binaries) | 03:08 |
| ryanpg | Sepheebear, yeah I know... I just didn't have sources.list configured properly, I got it fixed now thanks though | 03:09 |
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| crimsun | seth_k|lappy: did you mean that for -motu? | 03:10 |
| seth_k|lappy | crimsun, meh, sorry | 03:11 |
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| Sepheebear | i saw an cool app today Wallpapoz looks nifty but i think only a geek would go for that kind of novelty | 03:13 |
| Sepheebear | would definately be an extension though | 03:14 |
| ryanpg | Sepheebear, actually I think wallpapoz has a pretty broad appeal | 03:14 |
| ryanpg | Sepheebear, aamof a guy new to ubuntu was struggling with installing it in #ubuntu a few days ago iirc | 03:15 |
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| Sepheebear | ryanpg: maybe but i dont know many non-geeks who use more than one desktop | 03:16 |
| Sepheebear | using windows has most of them pretty well trained | 03:16 |
| ryanpg | Sepheebear, hmm... yet ubunut defaults to four yes? | 03:16 |
| ryanpg | ubuntu even | 03:17 |
| ryanpg | :D | 03:17 |
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| ryanpg | wallpapoz is undergoing a rewrite soon though, least that's what I thought | 03:17 |
| jdub | considered wallpapoz, but it needs some serious UI love | 03:20 |
| Sepheebear | seriously, it has an interface only a mother could love | 03:20 |
| ryanpg | hehe, it might satisfy the "gnome is too simple" crowd ;) | 03:21 |
| jdub | even powertools should be slick and simple | 03:21 |
| Sepheebear | i have some problems with that crowd | 03:22 |
| ryanpg | well of course I was j/k hence the "hehe" and ;) | 03:22 |
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| ptlo | speaking of powertools...., gnome could have a set of 'power toys' gui's which could be used to edit "hidden" gconf values - which aren't touched in standard preferences dialogs | 03:23 |
| tseng | gtweakui | 03:23 |
| ptlo | typical user get "just work", kde users get flexibility | 03:23 |
| ptlo | oh, i meant that, power users, sorry | 03:23 |
| ptlo | oh, that exists already. thanks tseng | 03:23 |
| tseng | np | 03:24 |
| ryanpg | not to go too crazy OT but svn gnome-launch-box looks really nifty | 03:24 |
| ryanpg | cairo and compositor'ification | 03:24 |
| Sepheebear | ryanpg: is g-l-b supposed to be a background app? i remember trying it but i couldnt figure out what it did | 03:25 |
| tseng | Sepheebear: its based on quicksilver for macosx | 03:26 |
| ryanpg | Sepheebear, I think it's a bit young to know quite what it's supposed to be | 03:26 |
| tseng | also similar to deskbar-applet | 03:27 |
| tseng | you type something in and it tries to guess what you want | 03:27 |
| tseng | email a person, run a program, search for a file | 03:27 |
| tseng | google desktop does a bit of the same as well | 03:27 |
| ryanpg | tseng, are you one of the g-l-b devs? | 03:28 |
| ryanpg | Sepheebear, http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/GNOME_Launch_Box | 03:28 |
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| zakame | morning all! :D | 03:32 |
| tseng | ryanpg: no, i am omniscient | 03:32 |
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| tseng | im neither | 03:33 |
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| whiprush | jdub: rodrigo's /etc/motd patch, gnome-launch-box (too immature maybe), istanbul. (My short list from work) | 04:02 |
| whiprush | I think the rest have been mentioned. | 04:02 |
| whiprush | oh, hardware-monitor is pretty spiffy also. | 04:06 |
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| jdub | whiprush: g-l-b is already in, patches aren't eligible ;-) and istanbul should be integrated into gnome-panel-screenshot for 2.14 (or i will yell!) | 04:29 |
| jdub | hardware-monitor... | 04:30 |
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| whiprush | it's a nicer cpu/ram/temp monitor | 04:30 |
| whiprush | *shrug* | 04:30 |
| jdub | by ole! | 04:30 |
| jdub | heh, gtkmm | 04:30 |
| jdub | hrm, the sshot link is dead | 04:31 |
| jdub | whiprush: you running it atm? | 04:31 |
| whiprush | yep. | 04:31 |
| jdub | got a moment to flickrise? :) | 04:31 |
| whiprush | yeah gimme a minute | 04:31 |
| crimsun | took me a moment to parse "flickrise" | 04:34 |
| zakame | elmo: please libgettext-ruby, libgtk-trayicon-ruby, and ruby-gnome2 from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes, on behalf of lucas. Thanks! :) | 04:35 |
| whiprush | jdub: I'm nx'ed in and screenshotting doesn't seem to work: http://knoppix.ru/img/140704-1.jpg | 04:35 |
| whiprush | that's the general idea | 04:35 |
| jdub | hrm, can't get there | 04:37 |
| whiprush | http://www.secs.oakland.edu/~castro/140704-1.jpg | 04:38 |
| jdub | hmm | 04:39 |
| jdub | i think i'll leave that one to author proposal after powertools is announced | 04:39 |
| whiprush | heh | 04:39 |
| jdub | bit wary of duplication | 04:39 |
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| Sepheebear | that nautilus-actions thing is cool, i dont see a package for it though. is it going to be part of gnome? | 04:58 |
| infinity | Hrm. I there a simple unix command line tool to wrap lines? | 05:01 |
| infinity | (Don't say perl and libtext-wrapper-perl) | 05:01 |
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| lamont-away | infinity: fold | 05:29 |
| lamont-away | :-) | 05:29 |
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| infinity | Ahh. | 05:32 |
| infinity | Too late, I already added unnecessary complexity. | 05:32 |
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| Sepheebear | anyone know what's the diff between vim-gnome and vim-gtk? | 05:55 |
| infinity | They both suck differently? | 05:56 |
| infinity | If I had to guess, I'd say -gtk uses GTK libs for rendering, but doesn't do all the wonderful GNOMEish things that -gnome does (like gnomevfs, for instance) | 05:57 |
| Sepheebear | vim-gnome doesnt do gnomevfs here | 05:58 |
| Sepheebear | they seem to be the same thing, im wondering the need of 2 different packages | 05:59 |
| infinity | It's linked to all the gnome libs (including gnomevfs), so I'd say it's abug if it doesn't use it. | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | Sepheebear: I have often wondered the same thing | 06:09 |
| LaserJock | I never know quite what to install but I usually do vim-python. | 06:10 |
| Sepheebear | just noticed i've secretly been switched to vim-gtk since breezy's release. i haven't noticed the difference until just now | 06:10 |
| Sepheebear | vim-gnome has no .desktop vim-gtk does | 06:11 |
| Sepheebear | oh wait neither of them do | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I think there is a bug report somewhere about that | 06:12 |
| Sepheebear | yeah http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7059 | 06:15 |
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| Sepheebear | nope infinity vim-gnome really doesnt do gnomevfs | 06:20 |
| shadeofgrey | does dapper boot yet? | 06:20 |
| shadeofgrey | i wanna see it really bad | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | sure, why not | 06:20 |
| Sepheebear | dapper wasnt booting? | 06:21 |
| shadeofgrey | various friends told me a week ago that when they updated to it it refused to even boot properly | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | well, there was a bit of a struggle when the new kernel and udev stuff got going | 06:21 |
| shadeofgrey | is it safe for somebody linux-dumb like myself? im physically handicapped andam trying to help out with accessibility | 06:22 |
| shadeofgrey | if not ill wait | 06:23 |
| shadeofgrey | i just really wanna see it | 06:23 |
| shadeofgrey | i heard its pretty if you have a nice graphics card | 06:23 |
| shadeofgrey | which i do' | 06:24 |
| shadeofgrey | ...though i must confess im lusting for a 30" cinema display like, daily now | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | well, it's hard to make a recommendation. I mean it works fine for me pretty much, but that doesn't mean it is going to work for you | 06:24 |
| shadeofgrey | all i need is firefox, thunderbird, and openoffice to work | 06:24 |
| shadeofgrey | thats it | 06:24 |
| shadeofgrey | oh ... andsomething that plays mp3s | 06:24 |
| shadeofgrey | thats basically all i need | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | all of those work well for me. Firefox is a beta version, but seems to work well for me (sometimes it takes a lot of cpu for a few seconds) | 06:25 |
| shadeofgrey | please tell me they changed the really pussy startup screen ala winxp | 06:26 |
| shadeofgrey | please please please | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | hmm, not quite sure of what you are talking about. At boot? or at Gnome startup? | 06:26 |
| shadeofgrey | at boot | 06:26 |
| Sepheebear | dont like the usplash? | 06:27 |
| shadeofgrey | well | 06:27 |
| shadeofgrey | i would | 06:27 |
| shadeofgrey | except it sucks | 06:27 |
| shadeofgrey | like, rancid ardvark balls. | 06:27 |
| infinity | The artwork hasn't changed (yet), if that's what you mean. | 06:28 |
| shadeofgrey | pardon me for being blunt bout it | 06:28 |
| Sepheebear | lol just disable it | 06:28 |
| infinity | It's being worked on. | 06:28 |
| shadeofgrey | i just thought we'd left 16 bit color when we all chose to not use windows | 06:28 |
| infinity | 4-bit, you mean. | 06:28 |
| infinity | 16-colours total. | 06:28 |
| infinity | And that won't change, sorry. | 06:28 |
| shadeofgrey | why not? | 06:29 |
| crimsun | some clients don't have fancy displays | 06:29 |
| infinity | Too many graphics cards have a hissy fit when you try to initialise them in other modes. | 06:29 |
| shadeofgrey | ill PAY to have it changed | 06:29 |
| Sepheebear | isnt that a limitation of the fb driver? | 06:29 |
| shadeofgrey | i swear | 06:29 |
| infinity | shadeofgrey : Pay for everyone to use the same video card, and we'll talk. | 06:29 |
| shadeofgrey | dont have that much cash | 06:29 |
| Sepheebear | that'd be nice | 06:29 |
| infinity | Sepheebear : Well, yes and no. We're using vga16fb specifically because other framebuffer initialisations (like vesafb) can leave people with machines that won't properly suspend/resume, etc. | 06:30 |
| shadeofgrey | but in all seriouisness, if i went out and did something rash, like bought an Nvidia 7800 card and a 30 inch cinema display would ubuntu still work? | 06:30 |
| infinity | Yup. | 06:30 |
| infinity | Works fine on such shiny new hardware. | 06:30 |
| infinity | You'll still hate usplash, but the rest will make you happy. | 06:30 |
| crimsun | it also scales down to the lower end equipment, which is equally important. | 06:31 |
| shadeofgrey | im considering selling my spare wheelchair to get the money for a cinema display | 06:31 |
| floam | usplash doesn't look bad on high resolution framebuffer consoles | 06:31 |
| shadeofgrey | ...trust me - for a disabled person - thats drastic | 06:31 |
| floam | other than the obvious dithering on the logo | 06:31 |
| infinity | floam : The artwork is in the process of being redone to use less (or no) dithering. | 06:31 |
| floam | infinity: cool | 06:32 |
| shadeofgrey | i have a 19 inch samsung right now | 06:32 |
| shadeofgrey | but 30" of cinema goodness is enoughto make any of you drool | 06:32 |
| infinity | The breezy artwork was fairly obviously not designed with 16 colours in mind, which is why it looks a bit icky. | 06:32 |
| shadeofgrey | well | 06:32 |
| shadeofgrey | most of you | 06:32 |
| floam | infinity: it'd be intersting if usplash could figure out how many colors are available and have multiple images to used based upon that. | 06:32 |
| infinity | floam : I can easily do that, but the more images we stuff in the initramfs, the more it bloats out for very little gain. | 06:32 |
| shadeofgrey | so is the general consdcensus that i should wait on dapper? | 06:32 |
| floam | infinity: well, I have a 16M color console, I'd be happy with the same stuff with more colors. | 06:32 |
| floam | ah, true. | 06:32 |
| infinity | floam : I've already been tossing around the idea of higher res images for people botting with vesafb. But.. Not sure if it's worth it. | 06:33 |
| infinity | I could make it some obscure config file option or something, so you only get one image by default, but that's sketchy. | 06:33 |
| shadeofgrey | by the way - infinity -0 and everybody else i appreciate everything you do to make ubuntu possible. and i mean this very seriously, its improved my quality of life | 06:33 |
| shadeofgrey | i know that sounds dumb... but its true | 06:33 |
| Sepheebear | how does one switch to vesafb to test out these hi-res images? | 06:33 |
| floam | infinity: the space issue was something I had not thought of | 06:33 |
| shadeofgrey | and thanks for tolerating my presence here on occasssion. i know im not supposed to be here | 06:34 |
| infinity | shadeofgrey : Doesn't sound dumb at all. There's a reason I've spent the last 6 years working on Debian (and now Ubuntu), and it's not all about personal satisfaction. :) | 06:34 |
| floam | even still, a lot of superficial people care quite a bit about that stuff, especially first impressions | 06:34 |
| floam | though XP looks like crap while it's booting too, so maybe no one really minds | 06:34 |
| infinity | floam : Yes, well aware of the superficiality issue. :) | 06:34 |
| shadeofgrey | im very willing to help out in any way i can... except i cant code for shit | 06:35 |
| shadeofgrey | i walk better than i code | 06:35 |
| shadeofgrey | and ive never walked | 06:35 |
| shadeofgrey | so | 06:35 |
| infinity | floam : The other idea floated was just to make the boot screen so simple that it doesn't matter (like the MacOS boot logo, which is tiny, unintrusive, etc) | 06:35 |
| floam | infinity: yeah. | 06:35 |
| shadeofgrey | ...now... if you needed help with documentation, now your talking.. | 06:35 |
| shadeofgrey | cause i write for a living | 06:36 |
| shadeofgrey | novels are my life | 06:36 |
| infinity | shadeofgrey : We ALWAYS need help with docs. It's the one thing programmers really, really hate doing. | 06:36 |
| shadeofgrey | i love that kind of shit | 06:36 |
| floam | infinity: is there any plans to make it easier for people to setup vesafb? right now, it seems the only way to do that is just setting vga= and looking up the code in the kernel tree | 06:36 |
| shadeofgrey | where do i sign up? | 06:36 |
| infinity | (and, as such, we never get around to doing it, unless we're really bored, or getting paid to do so) | 06:36 |
| floam | which 99% of most people wouldn't know about | 06:36 |
| shadeofgrey | also | 06:36 |
| floam | it's not so much of a deal on analog displays, but LCDs can be hard to read at low resolutions because of interpolation | 06:36 |
| shadeofgrey | i know this is going to sound REALLY dumb but... is there ANY way you guys know of that would make ubuntu capable of running dragon naturally speaking? | 06:37 |
| infinity | floam : I hadn't made any plans to make it easier. Heck, my vga= line isn't even in the kernel tree, I had to dig into the source, do some complex math, then guess a bit. :) | 06:37 |
| floam | heh | 06:37 |
| shadeofgrey | if that were possible you'd have disabled people in droves banging down your digital door | 06:37 |
| floam | infinity: actually, I think the tree only had the hexidecimal codes | 06:37 |
| floam | I think I looked mine up on google | 06:38 |
| floam | 794, I think. | 06:38 |
| shadeofgrey | seriously is there an opensource equivelsnt that works even 25% as good as DNS? | 06:38 |
| infinity | shadeofgrey : If it doesn't run under WINE, I suppose you could bug the winehq guys to make it a priority. Do we not ship anything useable for speech recognition? | 06:38 |
| shadeofgrey | infinity: not that i know of, but that doesnt mean much | 06:39 |
| infinity | floam : You can boot with the hex codes... Mine's vga=0x343 | 06:39 |
| floam | infinity: I know. | 06:39 |
| infinity | Which is 835, I guess. | 06:39 |
| shadeofgrey | infinity: seriously how do i start helping withubuntu docs? im ready... sign me up | 06:39 |
| floam | I'm just saying my particular mode I must not have gotten from the tree because it's decimal | 06:39 |
| floam | I tend to have to do detective work to figure out what I was thinking, my memory sucks. | 06:39 |
| shadeofgrey | ill do all the docs you want in exchange for a 30" cinema display | 06:39 |
| infinity | shadeofgrey : To be honest, I have no idea. Let me poke someone. | 06:40 |
| shadeofgrey | i hope that doesnt piss off the accessibility people. can i be part ofg both? | 06:40 |
| floam | shadeofgrey: volunteer work tends not to get you free things | 06:40 |
| Sepheebear | shadeofgrey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | 06:41 |
| whiprush | shadeofgrey: #ubuntu-docs and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocteam | 06:41 |
| whiprush | tons of links on that page | 06:41 |
| shadeofgrey | floam: yeah i know... but ubuntu has given me so much, that i honestly wouldnt mind donating a few hours on the weekend helping ouyt with the docs | 06:41 |
| floam | shadeofgrey: I hope you grammar you use while working on the documentation is better than that you're using on IRC :) | 06:41 |
| whiprush | oops, that should be #ubuntu-doc. No S on that | 06:42 |
| floam | s/you grammar/the grammar/ | 06:42 |
| shadeofgrey | my grammar doesnt suck when its important | 06:42 |
| shadeofgrey | besides, wouldnt there be like, somebody above me to insure my contributions dont suck? | 06:43 |
| crimsun | if you mean teammates, yes, not anyone technically "above" you. | 06:44 |
| floam | most likely yes, but that doesn't obviate the need to have good writing skills when you accept a position where you are writing | 06:45 |
| Sepheebear | this isnt sex, i think i'd find another thing to do if i wanted people on above me all the time | 06:45 |
| shadeofgrey | okay... well.... I promise i wont let anything out the gate that sucks | 06:46 |
| shadeofgrey | hows that? | 06:46 |
| shadeofgrey | okay heres a question... what are my options for creating a mail server using ubuntu | 06:47 |
| shadeofgrey | i know hula - but i wont use that because its so... not ready | 06:47 |
| shadeofgrey | are there any other options? | 06:47 |
| shadeofgrey | correction -- robust and stable options? | 06:47 |
| Sepheebear | postfix is supported | 06:48 |
| shadeofgrey | and by the way... if i installed ubuntu in server mode that would mean NO X - no gnome no nothing right? | 06:48 |
| shadeofgrey | is there a way to specify which packages you want when installing in server mode? | 06:49 |
| shadeofgrey | i shouldnt be asking you guys this | 06:49 |
| shadeofgrey | your going to get pissed. | 06:49 |
| shadeofgrey | okay.. ill depart now -- thanks a lot for the guidance in starting to help with docs | 06:50 |
| shadeofgrey | as soon as i get approved...or whatever... i promise ill jump right in | 06:50 |
| shadeofgrey | and just for the record | 06:50 |
| shadeofgrey | id get every last one of you something for christmas if i could afford it | 06:50 |
| shadeofgrey | but unfortunately i make $10 an hour | 06:51 |
| shadeofgrey | so my genuine thanks will have to do | 06:51 |
| shadeofgrey | any of you can message me while im connected if theres anything i can do to help you | 06:51 |
| shadeofgrey | ill drop whatever im doing to lend a hand... | 06:52 |
| shadeofgrey | i owe you guys that much | 06:52 |
| shadeofgrey | peace everybody. | 06:52 |
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| TerminX | why is libnspr-dev putting stuff in /usr/include/mozilla/nspr/nspr instead of /usr/include/mozilla/nspr? packaging error? | 07:23 |
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| whiprush | hi jerome! | 07:32 |
| jsgotangco | whiprush, dude! | 07:45 |
| jsgotangco | whiprush, what's up? | 07:45 |
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| whiprush | jsgotangco: just doing the Asia tour thing for the fridge. | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | awesome | 08:02 |
| whiprush | off to the dubster for final editing-love. | 08:04 |
| whiprush | jsgotangco: are you also touring or what? | 08:04 |
| jsgotangco | whiprush, probably just the nearby countries its not that expensive to go there really | 08:04 |
| whiprush | cool. | 08:04 |
| jsgotangco | and 3 of the cities near mine are just 2 hour flights | 08:04 |
| whiprush | good good. | 08:05 |
| whiprush | local advocacy is so underrated. :) | 08:05 |
| jsgotangco | i've actually been helping out with them even before it was announced | 08:05 |
| whiprush | excellent. | 08:06 |
| jsgotangco | wonder if NA will have something similar | 08:06 |
| jsgotangco | i might visit my folks in chicago around June | 08:07 |
| jsgotangco | i'll make sure i drop by at detroit =) | 08:07 |
| whiprush | let me know, only a 6 hour drive for me. | 08:07 |
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| dabaR | Hi. It says the breezy version of nvidia-glx is 7667, is that true? | 08:08 |
| whiprush | for some reason chicago doesn't seem to have a strong OSS community as the rest of the midwest US. easily fixable though. the gnomejournal guys live close to there. | 08:08 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i didnt know that | 08:09 |
| whiprush | making your visit a local ubuntu event shouldn't be too difficult. | 08:09 |
| dabaR | It says being that Ubotu reports that. | 08:09 |
| whiprush | jsgotangco: bed for me, keep up the good fight! | 08:09 |
| jsgotangco | whiprush, later dude, i'm out for a party in a few hours (only 3pm here) | 08:10 |
| dabaR | jsgotangco: you are such a party animal. | 08:11 |
| jsgotangco | dabaR, dude, 9 days before christmas and its a weekend we should! | 08:12 |
| dabaR | heh. OK, well, Im gonna let my question stay on the screen now. | 08:12 |
| jsgotangco | dabaR, dude mine gives the same version | 08:14 |
| jsgotangco | 1.0.7667-0ubuntu25.1 | 08:14 |
| dabaR | Ya, and this persistent dude on #ubuntu is trying to convince me that Ubotu is lying, which is impossible. The ubotu never lies. | 08:14 |
| dabaR | OK, well, thanks for your time. | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | he doesn't konw what he's saying then | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | =) | 08:15 |
| dabaR | Ya, and he is giving his great advice to others...which is to install the nvidia drivers from nvidia. | 08:15 |
| dabaR | And he has all this information... like, this driver number has issues with this...and this with that. And so on. Anyhow, Im just tired, I should ignore him. | 08:16 |
| jsgotangco | oh well later then! | 08:22 |
| dabaR | Im on the Internet!!!1 | 08:23 |
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| crimsun | elmo: please sync xdb, turck-mmcache and kcheckgmail from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes, thanks | 10:47 |
| Pygi | wb sh | 10:48 |
| \sh | moins | 10:51 |
| crimsun | feeling better? | 10:52 |
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| crimsun | elmo: please sync libparagui1.0 from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes, thanks | 11:43 |
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| mdke | anyone know what time the CC meeting is gonna be at next week? | 01:24 |
| Pygi | probably 1:00 UTC or 2:00 UTC | 01:24 |
| mdke | eh? how come? | 01:25 |
| Pygi | I don't know...this is just my guessing.... | 01:26 |
| StevenK | The last one was 14:00 UTC, does that make the next one 20:00 UTC? | 01:27 |
| StevenK | Er, doesn't | 01:27 |
| mdke | it would do normally, yes | 01:28 |
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| mdke | but the time appears not to have been set | 01:28 |
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| shadeofgrey | could somebody please point me in the direction of a good sources.list file for upgrading to dapper | 01:59 |
| shadeofgrey | im ready to take the plunge, damnit | 01:59 |
| jdub | same as your breezy one, s/breezy/dapper/ | 02:00 |
| shadeofgrey | really? | 02:00 |
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| shadeofgrey | and i should comment out the other ones like backports and shit right? | 02:00 |
| mdke | shadeofgrey, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles, then as jdub says, substitute breezy for dapper | 02:00 |
| shadeofgrey | now okayt | 02:01 |
| mdke | you can comment out backports, security, and updates | 02:01 |
| shadeofgrey | heres my big question | 02:01 |
| shadeofgrey | i upgraded my version of firefox to 1.5 manually | 02:01 |
| shadeofgrey | the NON ubuntu version... which is a thousand times faster | 02:01 |
| fabbione | shadeofgrey: #ubuntu please.. | 02:01 |
| fabbione | this is offtopic here | 02:01 |
| mdke | shadeofgrey, by the way, they will help in #ubuntu | 02:01 |
| shadeofgrey | okayokay | 02:01 |
| shadeofgrey | sorry | 02:01 |
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| mdke | hey jdub | 02:02 |
| zul | stupid oprofile..grumble grumble | 02:07 |
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| sivang | weird, I couldn't connect to freenode from one of the servers I'm using. had to switch to the one in .de | 02:46 |
| Riddell | see freenode's news page | 02:47 |
| sivang | Riddell: I was trying to connect from muse, have you had troubles as well? | 02:47 |
| Riddell | sivang: freenode's news page reveals all | 02:48 |
| mdke | sivang, everyone has, see freenode's news page | 02:48 |
| Treenaks | doesn't make freenode less crap ;) | 02:49 |
| sivang | yes, reading about the spambots now | 02:49 |
| Treenaks | s/^/reading the news page | 02:49 |
| sivang | ok, I'll retry with chat.f.n | 02:50 |
| Treenaks | chat.freenode and irc.freenode are _identical_ from my end... | 02:50 |
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| Treenaks | I had to switch to irc.eu.freenode | 02:50 |
| === infinity fails to see how changing the hostname protects against anything... | ||
| infinity | (longterm, that is) | 02:50 |
| Treenaks | infinity: Lilo-logic | 02:50 |
| sivang | Treenaks: also from pitti's server, but from muse it's not. odd | 02:51 |
| sivang | infinity: me as well | 02:52 |
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| sivang | ok, it worked. | 02:53 |
| sivang | ah, that's better. | 02:54 |
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| azeem | lifeless: http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/opensync/ | 02:59 |
| azeem | eh, ECHAN, sort of | 02:59 |
| lifeless | pushing an update to the debian dir | 03:00 |
| lifeless | for the libtool and debhelper deps | 03:00 |
| sivang | hmm, dapper just hung up on me. | 03:02 |
| sivang | it's also somewhat slower then it was 2 upgrades ago | 03:03 |
| mdke | dapper is wicked fast for me | 03:04 |
| mdke | if completely broken :( | 03:04 |
| sivang | mdke: cool for you then... | 03:04 |
| sivang | mdke: what about freezes ? has it went frozen for you yet? | 03:05 |
| mdke | no | 03:05 |
| mdke | but I have no browser or help :) | 03:06 |
| sivang | mdke: ah, well, I'm mostly operational :) | 03:06 |
| sivang | gues you can't have it all | 03:06 |
| mdke | lol | 03:06 |
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| Tm_T | heh, alsa-source package doesn't install properly | 03:13 |
| Tm_T | Setting up alsa-source (1.0.10-2) ... | 03:13 |
| Tm_T | dpkg: error processing alsa-source (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127 | 03:13 |
| Tm_T | known issue? | 03:13 |
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| siretart | err, in the new cups world order (dapper), how is the user supposed to let other computers in the network print on his printer? | 03:21 |
| Pygi | siretart: samba? | 03:24 |
| siretart | Pygi: I mean letting other ubuntu computers print on his printer. not necessarily windows computers | 03:25 |
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| Pygi | k, siretart, just a moment pls | 03:27 |
| siretart | well, I managed doing it by hacking my cupsd.conf, but I cannot imagine thats the way it is supposed to work | 03:33 |
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| ogra | siretart, IPP ? | 03:39 |
| ogra | as windows does nowadays | 03:39 |
| siretart | ogra: well, the default config makes cups only listen on localhost | 03:39 |
| siretart | ogra: and I only found how to activate Browsing, so I can find printers from other computers, who do activly propagate their printers | 03:40 |
| ogra | you dont want to listen... you want to share, right ? | 03:40 |
| siretart | I want the user to be able to have 2 computers, (laptop and workstation) with the printer at the workstation to be able to print from his laptop | 03:41 |
| siretart | if my father asks me that, I'd like to give him simple instructions | 03:41 |
| ogra | if i look at my usb printer's settings, its set as IPP network printer with address usb:/dev/usb/lp0 | 03:41 |
| siretart | as said, I managed it over here with fiddling cupsd.conf, but that cannot be the way to go | 03:41 |
| ogra | works fine for other network systems, as well as windows | 03:42 |
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| ogra | no need to touch cups configurations at all | 03:42 |
| siretart | but how can this work? | 03:43 |
| siretart | I mean, cups listens on localhost by default! | 03:43 |
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| ogra | not if the printer is IPP | 03:44 |
| ogra | thats what IPP is for ... | 03:44 |
| siretart | the printer is connected via usb to the workstation | 03:44 |
| ogra | and on your client, if you switch on browse, it scans for IPP exported printers in the network | 03:44 |
| ogra | yes | 03:44 |
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| siretart | hm | 03:45 |
| ogra | but the driver is IPP network printer, with local address usb:/dev/usb/lp0 | 03:45 |
| siretart | aaah, now I got it.. | 03:45 |
| siretart | hm. still not that obvious. do we have this documented somewhere? | 03:46 |
| ogra | i dont think so, but i didnt select anything special ... | 03:47 |
| ogra | i just plugged in the printer back then and used the offered defaults | 03:47 |
| siretart | hm | 03:47 |
| siretart | will test this again, after I upgrade the next machine to dapper | 03:47 |
| siretart | thanks for explanation | 03:48 |
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| ogra | btw, the config was made on hoary, i didnt change it since then ... so the defaults might be different today | 03:48 |
| ogra | (but i doubt tht) | 03:48 |
| ogra | *that | 03:48 |
| siretart | hm. interesting | 03:50 |
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| lathiat | whos the apt guru? | 04:05 |
| sivang | lathiat: mvo | 04:06 |
| lathiat | http://bur.st/~lathiat/apt-broken.txt | 04:06 |
| lathiat | minor cosmetic bug | 04:06 |
| lathiat | but interesting | 04:06 |
| lathiat | oh actually ignore me | 04:06 |
| lathiat | reinstalls just plain dont show up | 04:06 |
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| mdke | is anyone around to approve/deny breezy-updates while mdz and Kamion are away? | 04:47 |
| Pygi | \sh maybe? but he is away now | 04:47 |
| ogra | he has no power for such stuff | 04:48 |
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| mdke | ogra, can anyone else, do you know? | 04:49 |
| Pygi | ogra: oh,k | 04:49 |
| ogra | nope | 04:49 |
| mdke | ok thanks | 04:49 |
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| ogra | mdke, but they should both be back on momday | 04:50 |
| mdke | ogra, oh awesome, np then | 04:51 |
| mdke | do unapproved packages in breezy-updates get dropped after a certain time? | 04:51 |
| ogra | i think they idle in the queue until someoine does | 04:51 |
| mdke | oh good | 04:52 |
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| shawarma | slomo: ping? | 05:23 |
| slomo | shawarma: pong | 05:23 |
| shawarma | slomo: It was you who asked me to look at the libmms soname thing, right? | 05:23 |
| slomo | shawarma: yes | 05:25 |
| shawarma | It's actually quite funny because they actually put the -version-info on the libtool command line, but left it at 0:0:0.. I looked at the interfaces and they are apparantly compatible, so it's only the age thing that should be fixed. | 05:25 |
| shawarma | AFAICS that's not too important, is it? I'll fix it in CVS for the next release, but is the age part of the soname really very important? | 05:26 |
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| Checksi | hello | 05:29 |
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| slomo | shawarma: well... not too important but it would be nice to have it right ;) | 05:37 |
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| shawarma | slomo: How did you spot it? | 05:41 |
| slomo | shawarma: objdump on the library ;) | 05:42 |
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| slomo | fabbione? | 05:43 |
| fabbione | slomo: http://buildd.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs/x/xine-lib/1.1.1-0ubuntu4/ | 05:43 |
| fabbione | slomo: look at the sparc failure (46K) | 05:43 |
| fabbione | and fix.. please :) | 05:44 |
| slomo | give me a sparc to fix it ;) | 05:44 |
| fabbione | you don | 05:44 |
| fabbione | ARGH | 05:44 |
| fabbione | you don't need a sparc to fix it :) | 05:44 |
| fabbione | but i can build attempts to fix :) | 05:45 |
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| slomo | oh right... just a problem with an include... i already feared another assembler mess in ffmpeg ;) | 05:45 |
| slomo | i'll take a look later... but on monday this problem will move out of xine-lib anyway | 05:46 |
| fabbione | slomo: i am ok with timing :) | 05:46 |
| fabbione | it was just to make you aware of that | 05:46 |
| ogra | seb128, in a .desktop file, if i have a .xpm and a .png with the same name in .../pixmaps/, which is preferred ? | 05:47 |
| seb128 | png | 05:47 |
| ogra | seb128, (thinking aout the tuxpaint bug) | 05:47 |
| ogra | *+about | 05:47 |
| seb128 | is the bug about using xpm? | 05:47 |
| ogra | i suspect there is something broken with the image | 05:47 |
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| ogra | nope, but tuxpaint ships and installs both | 05:47 |
| shawarma | slomo: ..well, of course, but what made you look in the first place? | 05:47 |
| slomo | fabbione: it's also ftbfs on ia64 currently... but as ffmpeg/faad will move to another package on monday it will build again there :) but i guess i can fix it after it moved... so many ftbfs to handle lately :( | 05:48 |
| slomo | shawarma: new upstream version of a library ;) | 05:48 |
| ogra | seb128, the breakage occurs if you scale it apparently | 05:48 |
| ogra | i.e. resize the panel | 05:48 |
| shawarma | slomo: You always do an objdump on new libraries? | 05:48 |
| fabbione | slomo: as i said i am not in a hurry :) just be sure that all the splitting you are doing will still allow me to watch DVD :) | 05:48 |
| seb128 | ogra: I though it was about the menu item | 05:48 |
| fabbione | slomo: since xine is my primary source of fun on my tivo box :P | 05:48 |
| ogra | seb128, which uses a image | 05:48 |
| seb128 | they are not dependant of the panel width | 05:49 |
| fabbione | slomo: and yes.. i am running dapper on that toy :P | 05:49 |
| slomo | shawarma: yes... when they use 0:0:0 at least ;) | 05:49 |
| ogra | seb128, if i resize the panel, the image gets scaled ... | 05:50 |
| seb128 | the menu items? | 05:50 |
| slomo | fabbione: oh nice, someone to test it later :P i don't touch anything dvd related but please report anyway :) | 05:50 |
| shawarma | slomo: But you don't know that until you've done the objdump.. :-/ | 05:50 |
| ogra | seb128, the bugreporter talks about a menu item he added to the panel | 05:50 |
| fabbione | slomo: did you ever see me being silent? ;) i suggest you get an helmet and dig a bunker.. just in case i decide to poweron the sodomotron :P | 05:50 |
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| slomo | shawarma: sure... the library is called libfoo.so.0.0.0 ;) | 05:51 |
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| slomo | fabbione: oh... but be carefull, when you kill me i can't fix anything ;P | 05:51 |
| shawarma | slomo: Oh,right. | 05:51 |
| ogra | seb128, see comment #6 | 05:51 |
| seb128 | ogra: I don't know this bug, I don't really what you are talking about, let me open it | 05:52 |
| seb128 | I've tried like 10 seconds 3 months ago | 05:52 |
| seb128 | didn't get any crash | 05:52 |
| ogra | me neither | 05:52 |
| ogra | but the last comment suspiciosly looks like a graphics problem ... | 05:52 |
| seb128 | obviously you know that the guy change the panel width and that there is 2 icons, that's something :p | 05:52 |
| seb128 | I've not read the comments | 05:52 |
| ogra | oh, the prelast .. | 05:52 |
| seb128 | I've ~490 unred bug mails atm | 05:53 |
| seb128 | unread | 05:53 |
| ogra | oh | 05:53 |
| ogra | mine are all read ... | 05:53 |
| ogra | but i might have 490 in sum over all releases :) | 05:53 |
| seb128 | I just read when I'm decided to do something on the bug | 05:53 |
| seb128 | I let unread the "must work on" bugs | 05:53 |
| seb128 | ie: I've no idea of this bug and I can't reproduce | 05:54 |
| seb128 | so I let it unread | 05:54 |
| ogra | the 0xb7ddb4c0 in art_bezier_to_vec () from /usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2 error sounds like a image prob to me | 05:54 |
| seb128 | right | 05:56 |
| ogra | and since its only one launcher (tuxpaint) i suspect the png is broken ... | 05:57 |
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| ogra | i'll grab that bug ... so you have one less :) | 05:57 |
| seb128 | ogra: vuntz and lllmanulll are on it, that's why I didn't really bothered | 05:57 |
| ogra | ok | 05:57 |
| vuntz | I'm not really on it | 05:58 |
| ogra | so i'll leave it to them .... | 05:58 |
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| vuntz | ogra is on it :-) | 05:58 |
| ogra | vuntz, to late, seb128's word rules ;) | 05:58 |
| vuntz | if someone can attach the image file, btw... | 05:58 |
| ogra | giggles evilish* | 05:58 |
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| mdke | does there happen to be a dpkg guru around who has 5 minutes to help me unblock my dapper system? | 06:47 |
| seb128 | I'm not a guru but may be able to reply | 06:48 |
| seb128 | why not just asking? :) | 06:48 |
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| fabbione | and topic | 06:48 |
| mdke | that's why | 06:49 |
| seb128 | bah, according to the chan activity I guess nobody will kick you to ask something | 06:49 |
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| seb128 | feel free to ask on #ubuntu-desktop if you want, we have no issue with a little noise :p | 06:49 |
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| mdke | great thanks seb | 06:50 |
| BenC | anyone else seeing get_netlink_msg errors from udev? | 06:54 |
| BenC | ENOBUFS error from the recv() call to be exact | 06:54 |
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| Riddell | elmo: please sync noteedit, licq, kvdr and packagesearch from debian overwriting ubuntu changes | 07:11 |
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| LaserJock | seb128: ping? | 07:13 |
| seb128 | LaserJock: pong | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | seb128: you marked my yelp bug as a duplicate. #21015 | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | seb128: I am still not quite understanding it | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | seb128: how come some people see it but others don't | 07:15 |
| seb128 | /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/compreg.dat gets generated by something | 07:15 |
| seb128 | we didn't figure what | 07:15 |
| seb128 | it's not supposed to be created/shipped with 1.5 | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | but I have my dapper install and chroot dapper install both dist-upgraded from breezy at about the same time, yet one works and one doesn't | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | seems kinda weird to me | 07:16 |
| seb128 | you have probably a difference in the package list | 07:16 |
| seb128 | like a l10n package | 07:17 |
| seb128 | or an extension installed | 07:17 |
| seb128 | or firefox were running during the upgrade for one and not the other | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | oh, that's enough to do it ? | 07:17 |
| seb128 | or I don't know | 07:17 |
| seb128 | as said before we didn't figure what's causing it | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | wow, that seems hard to figure out | 07:17 |
| seb128 | right | 07:17 |
| seb128 | those are random idea on the topic | 07:17 |
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| LaserJock | ok, I just wanted to get a better idea of what was going on. Is there any info I can give that would help? | 07:18 |
| seb128 | figure what creates the file? :) | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | so would firefox extensions do it? | 07:18 |
| seb128 | you can guess from the file timestamp what you did around the time it get generated | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | ahh, ok | 07:19 |
| seb128 | I doubt of it because you don't run firefox with sudo usually | 07:19 |
| seb128 | so it should not be able to write this file | 07:19 |
| seb128 | I would bet on something done by a package | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | ok, I will try to see what the difference is between my installs | 07:20 |
| seb128 | thank you | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | seb128: ok, on the day that the compreg.dat file was created I installed quite a few things but the one that sticks out is that I installed and removed mozilla | 07:26 |
| seb128 | mozilla-browser? | 07:27 |
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| LaserJock | yes | 07:27 |
| tuhl | when will we get libenchant 1.2 inti Ubuntu? | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | well, actually the whole mozilla meta package | 07:28 |
| tuhl | this is necessary for compiling current abiword verisons | 07:28 |
| seb128 | tuhl: when it'll be required :) | 07:28 |
| mdke | seb128, LaserJock, I don't think I've ever had mozilla-browser installed here | 07:28 |
| seb128 | tuhl: I'll package it tomorrow or monday | 07:28 |
| mdke | system was pretty much a standard dapper flight 1 | 07:28 |
| seb128 | I've just installed/removed it | 07:28 |
| tuhl | seb128: Requested 'enchant >= 1.2.0' but version of libenchant is 1.1.6 | 07:28 |
| seb128 | doesn't do this | 07:28 |
| tuhl | seb128: thanks | 07:29 |
| seb128 | tuhl: "we" beeing a package of the distro | 07:29 |
| seb128 | I mean | 07:29 |
| seb128 | "it"ll be" = "it'll be by a package" | 07:29 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: dpkg -S /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/compreg.dat doesn't give me anything so I'm not sure what would have installed it | 07:57 |
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| Amaranth | pretty sure firefox generates it on first start | 08:03 |
| Hieronymus | Isn't that a known bug? | 08:09 |
| Hieronymus | #20183 | 08:10 |
| ogra | apart from Amaranth being wrong ? | 08:10 |
| Hieronymus | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20183 | 08:10 |
| ogra | ogra@honk:~$ ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/compreg.dat | 08:11 |
| ogra | ls: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/compreg.dat: No such file or directory | 08:11 |
| ogra | thats a clean flight 2 with firefox being run several times already | 08:11 |
| ogra | it must be a leftover from breezy installs ... | 08:12 |
| ogra | additionally a user that starts firefox has no rights to write to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/, so there is no possibility it creates it on first start | 08:13 |
| ogra | it could only happen from a package, but then you'd be able to find it somewhere in postinst or in the package itself, which s not the case | 08:13 |
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| mdke | mine came from a dapper flight 1 install | 08:18 |
| mdke | must be the old firefox, before 1.5 | 08:18 |
| ogra | yup | 08:18 |
| ogra | but there is no trace in the package that anything is related to it | 08:18 |
| mdke | it's a mystery | 08:19 |
| ogra | yup | 08:19 |
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| crimsun | elmo: please sync tse3, tellico, swh-plugins, wordtrans, wftk, strutilsxx, and stk from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes. Thanks. | 11:35 |
| sistpoty | elmo: please sync libprinterconf from unstable, ubuntu override ok. thx. | 11:40 |
| Tm_T | any known xorg crash issues? | 11:49 |
| Tm_T | with nvidia | 11:50 |
| lucasvo | Tm_T: lots, but you can't change them :D | 11:59 |
| Tm_T | hehe | 11:59 |
| Tm_T | had two crashes tonight, just wanted to know if there's something to test / reproduce | 11:59 |
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