[12:01] <Seveas> it's about time I finish that code
[12:01] <\sh> ok...good night 
[12:01] <Seveas> g'night
[12:02] <Mithrandir> nautilus's ssh module is dog slow, though
[12:02] <mdke> yeah sometimes it can be annoying
[12:05] <mdke> "fix broken packages" ??
[12:07] <mdke> does language-selector barf if the system is not fully upgraded?
[12:07] <Seveas> yes
[12:07] <mdke> oh pants
[12:07] <Seveas> update-manager and gnome-app-install too
[12:07] <mdke> including packages being kept back?
[12:08] <Seveas> dunno about that
[12:08] <Seveas> poke mvo :)
[12:08] <mdke> i will file a bug
[12:08] <Seveas> that's one way of poking :)
[12:08] <mdke> especially because i don't always get the error message, sometimes it just stops and doesn't do anything
[12:13] <mdke> god gnome-app-install doesn't even open
[12:13] <Seveas> poke mvo harder :)
[12:15] <mdke> i think that might be a feature tho
[12:32] <mdke> ok 3 bugs could be considered sufficient poking of mvo for one night, i'll go to bed
[12:52] <slomo_> lamont, infinity: please give-back mono on ppc... it definitely builds fine here on my ppc
[12:56] <lamont> slomo_: and what's the error in the log?
[12:57] <slomo_> lamont: a segfault in mono somewhere... i wonder how we can debug this if it's not temporary... i can't reproduce it here :/
[01:06] <ryanpg> argh... pitti's not around...
[01:07] <ryanpg> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20564 still is buggy for me but I don't want to reopen it if I'm the only one
[02:18] <tseng> jdub: hows your list coming?
[02:37] <ryanpg> am I correct in thinking mplayer-686 cannot currently be installed in dapper due to broken libjack dependencies?
[02:50] <jdub> tseng: whichwhat? oh!
[02:50] <jdub> tseng: same
[03:03] <Sepheebear> there is no more mplayer-686, they're all dummy packs now
[03:06] <Sepheebear> jdub: since it's a separate package, how about nautilus-open-terminal, not quite a powerdrill but necessary in any geek toolbox
[03:07] <jdub> Sepheebear: nautilus-actions usurps it
[03:07] <Sepheebear> havent tried that
[03:08] <seth_k|lappy> when using the DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_blah variable in debian/rules, how can I install two manpages? (the .deb contains two binaries)
[03:09] <ryanpg> Sepheebear, yeah I know... I just didn't have sources.list configured properly, I got it fixed now thanks though
[03:10] <crimsun> seth_k|lappy: did you mean that for -motu?
[03:11] <seth_k|lappy> crimsun, meh, sorry
[03:13] <Sepheebear> i saw an cool app today Wallpapoz looks nifty but i think only a geek would go for that kind of novelty
[03:14] <Sepheebear> would definately be an extension though
[03:14] <ryanpg> Sepheebear, actually I think wallpapoz has a pretty broad appeal
[03:15] <ryanpg> Sepheebear, aamof a guy new to ubuntu was struggling with installing it in #ubuntu a few days ago iirc
[03:16] <Sepheebear> ryanpg: maybe but i dont know many non-geeks who use more than one desktop
[03:16] <Sepheebear> using windows has most of them pretty well trained
[03:16] <ryanpg> Sepheebear, hmm... yet ubunut defaults to four yes?
[03:17] <ryanpg> ubuntu even
[03:17] <ryanpg> :D
[03:17] <ryanpg> wallpapoz is undergoing a rewrite soon though, least that's what I thought
[03:20] <jdub> considered wallpapoz, but it needs some serious UI love
[03:20] <Sepheebear> seriously, it has an interface only a mother could love
[03:21] <ryanpg> hehe, it might satisfy the "gnome is too simple" crowd ;)
[03:21] <jdub> even powertools should be slick and simple
[03:22] <Sepheebear> i have some problems with that crowd
[03:22] <ryanpg> well of course I was j/k hence the "hehe" and ;)
[03:23] <ptlo> speaking of powertools...., gnome could have a set of 'power toys' gui's which could be used to edit "hidden" gconf values - which aren't touched in standard preferences dialogs
[03:23] <tseng> gtweakui
[03:23] <ptlo> typical user get "just work", kde users get flexibility
[03:23] <ptlo> oh, i meant that, power users, sorry
[03:23] <ptlo> oh, that exists already. thanks tseng
[03:24] <tseng> np
[03:24] <ryanpg> not to go too crazy OT but svn gnome-launch-box looks really nifty
[03:24] <ryanpg> cairo and compositor'ification
[03:25] <Sepheebear> ryanpg: is g-l-b supposed to be a background app? i remember trying it but i couldnt figure out what it did
[03:26] <tseng> Sepheebear: its based on quicksilver for macosx
[03:26] <ryanpg> Sepheebear, I think it's a bit young to know quite what it's supposed to be
[03:27] <tseng> also similar to deskbar-applet
[03:27] <tseng> you type something in and it tries to guess what you want
[03:27] <tseng> email a person, run a program, search for a file
[03:27] <tseng> google desktop does a bit of the same as well
[03:28] <ryanpg> tseng, are you one of the g-l-b devs?
[03:28] <ryanpg> Sepheebear, http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/GNOME_Launch_Box
[03:32] <zakame> morning all! :D
[03:32] <tseng> ryanpg: no, i am omniscient
[03:33] <tseng> im neither
[04:02] <whiprush> jdub: rodrigo's /etc/motd patch, gnome-launch-box (too immature maybe), istanbul. (My short list from work)
[04:02] <whiprush> I think the rest have been mentioned.
[04:06] <whiprush> oh, hardware-monitor is pretty spiffy also.
[04:29] <jdub> whiprush: g-l-b is already in, patches aren't eligible ;-) and istanbul should be integrated into gnome-panel-screenshot for 2.14 (or i will yell!)
[04:30] <jdub> hardware-monitor...
[04:30] <whiprush> it's a nicer cpu/ram/temp monitor
[04:30] <whiprush> *shrug*
[04:30] <jdub> by ole!
[04:30] <jdub> heh, gtkmm
[04:31] <jdub> hrm, the sshot link is dead
[04:31] <jdub> whiprush: you running it atm?
[04:31] <whiprush> yep.
[04:31] <jdub> got a moment to flickrise? :)
[04:31] <whiprush> yeah gimme a minute
[04:34] <crimsun> took me a moment to parse "flickrise"
[04:35] <zakame> elmo: please libgettext-ruby, libgtk-trayicon-ruby, and ruby-gnome2 from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes, on behalf of lucas.  Thanks! :)
[04:35] <whiprush> jdub: I'm nx'ed in and screenshotting doesn't seem to work: http://knoppix.ru/img/140704-1.jpg
[04:35] <whiprush> that's the general idea
[04:37] <jdub> hrm, can't get there
[04:38] <whiprush> http://www.secs.oakland.edu/~castro/140704-1.jpg
[04:39] <jdub> hmm
[04:39] <jdub> i think i'll leave that one to author proposal after powertools is announced
[04:39] <whiprush> heh
[04:39] <jdub> bit wary of duplication
[04:58] <Sepheebear> that nautilus-actions thing is cool, i dont see a package for it though. is it going to be part of gnome?
[05:01] <infinity> Hrm.  I there a simple unix command line tool to wrap lines?
[05:01] <infinity> (Don't say perl and libtext-wrapper-perl)
[05:29] <lamont-away> infinity: fold
[05:29] <lamont-away> :-)
[05:32] <infinity> Ahh.
[05:32] <infinity> Too late, I already added unnecessary complexity.
[05:55] <Sepheebear> anyone know what's the diff between vim-gnome and vim-gtk?
[05:56] <infinity> They both suck differently?
[05:57] <infinity> If I had to guess, I'd say -gtk uses GTK libs for rendering, but doesn't do all the wonderful GNOMEish things that -gnome does (like gnomevfs, for instance)
[05:58] <Sepheebear> vim-gnome doesnt do gnomevfs here
[05:59] <Sepheebear> they seem to be the same thing, im wondering the need of 2 different packages
[06:00] <infinity> It's linked to all the gnome libs (including gnomevfs), so I'd say it's  abug if it doesn't use it.
[06:09] <LaserJock> Sepheebear: I have often wondered the same thing
[06:10] <LaserJock> I never know quite what to install but I usually do vim-python.
[06:10] <Sepheebear> just noticed i've secretly been switched to vim-gtk since breezy's release. i haven't noticed the difference until just now
[06:11] <Sepheebear> vim-gnome has no .desktop vim-gtk does
[06:11] <Sepheebear> oh wait neither of them do
[06:12] <LaserJock> yeah, I think there is a bug report somewhere about that
[06:15] <Sepheebear> yeah http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7059
[06:20] <Sepheebear> nope infinity vim-gnome really doesnt do gnomevfs
[06:20] <shadeofgrey> does dapper boot yet?
[06:20] <shadeofgrey> i wanna see it really bad
[06:20] <LaserJock> sure, why not
[06:21] <Sepheebear> dapper wasnt booting?
[06:21] <shadeofgrey> various friends told me a week ago that when they updated to it it refused to even boot properly
[06:21] <LaserJock> well, there was a bit of a struggle when the new kernel and udev stuff got going
[06:22] <shadeofgrey> is it safe for somebody linux-dumb like myself?  im physically handicapped andam trying to help out with accessibility
[06:23] <shadeofgrey> if not ill wait
[06:23] <shadeofgrey> i just really wanna see it
[06:23] <shadeofgrey> i heard its pretty if you have a nice graphics card
[06:24] <shadeofgrey> which i do'
[06:24] <shadeofgrey> ...though i must confess im lusting for a 30" cinema display like, daily now
[06:24] <LaserJock> well, it's hard to make a recommendation. I mean it works fine for me pretty much, but that doesn't mean it is going to work for you
[06:24] <shadeofgrey> all i need is firefox, thunderbird, and openoffice to work
[06:24] <shadeofgrey> thats it
[06:24] <shadeofgrey> oh ...  andsomething that plays mp3s
[06:25] <shadeofgrey> thats basically all i need
[06:25] <LaserJock> all of those work well for me. Firefox is a beta version, but seems to work well for me (sometimes it takes a lot of cpu for a few seconds)
[06:26] <shadeofgrey> please tell me they changed the really pussy startup screen ala winxp
[06:26] <shadeofgrey> please please please
[06:26] <LaserJock> hmm, not quite sure of what you are talking about. At boot? or at Gnome startup?
[06:26] <shadeofgrey> at boot
[06:27] <Sepheebear> dont like the usplash?
[06:27] <shadeofgrey> well
[06:27] <shadeofgrey> i would
[06:27] <shadeofgrey> except it sucks
[06:27] <shadeofgrey> like, rancid ardvark balls.
[06:28] <infinity> The artwork hasn't changed (yet), if that's what you mean.
[06:28] <shadeofgrey> pardon me for being blunt bout it
[06:28] <Sepheebear> lol just disable it
[06:28] <infinity> It's being worked on.
[06:28] <shadeofgrey> i just thought we'd left 16 bit color when we all chose to not use windows
[06:28] <infinity> 4-bit, you mean.
[06:28] <infinity> 16-colours total.
[06:28] <infinity> And that won't change, sorry.
[06:29] <shadeofgrey> why not?
[06:29] <crimsun> some clients don't have fancy displays
[06:29] <infinity> Too many graphics cards have a hissy fit when you try to initialise them in other modes.
[06:29] <shadeofgrey> ill PAY to have it changed
[06:29] <Sepheebear> isnt that a limitation of the fb driver?
[06:29] <shadeofgrey> i swear
[06:29] <infinity> shadeofgrey : Pay for everyone to use the same video card, and we'll talk.
[06:29] <shadeofgrey> dont have that much cash
[06:29] <Sepheebear> that'd be nice
[06:30] <infinity> Sepheebear : Well, yes and no.  We're using vga16fb specifically because other framebuffer initialisations (like vesafb) can leave people with machines that won't properly suspend/resume, etc.
[06:30] <shadeofgrey> but in all seriouisness, if i went out and did something rash, like bought an Nvidia 7800 card and a 30 inch cinema display would ubuntu still work?
[06:30] <infinity> Yup.
[06:30] <infinity> Works fine on such shiny new hardware.
[06:30] <infinity> You'll still hate usplash, but the rest will make you happy.
[06:31] <crimsun> it also scales down to the lower end equipment, which is equally important.
[06:31] <shadeofgrey> im considering selling my spare wheelchair to get the money for a cinema display
[06:31] <floam> usplash doesn't look bad on high resolution framebuffer consoles
[06:31] <shadeofgrey> ...trust me - for a disabled person - thats drastic
[06:31] <floam> other than the obvious dithering on the logo
[06:31] <infinity> floam : The artwork is in the process of being redone to use less (or no) dithering.
[06:32] <floam> infinity: cool
[06:32] <shadeofgrey> i have a 19 inch samsung right now
[06:32] <shadeofgrey> but 30" of cinema goodness is enoughto make any of you drool
[06:32] <infinity> The breezy artwork was fairly obviously not designed with 16 colours in mind, which is why it looks a bit icky.
[06:32] <shadeofgrey> well
[06:32] <shadeofgrey> most of you
[06:32] <floam> infinity: it'd be intersting if usplash could figure out how many colors are available and have multiple images to used based upon that.
[06:32] <infinity> floam : I can easily do that, but the more images we stuff in the initramfs, the more it bloats out for very little gain.
[06:32] <shadeofgrey> so is the general consdcensus that i should wait on dapper?
[06:32] <floam> infinity: well, I have a 16M color console, I'd be happy with the same stuff with more colors.
[06:32] <floam> ah, true.
[06:33] <infinity> floam : I've already been tossing around the idea of higher res images for people botting with vesafb.  But.. Not sure if it's worth it.
[06:33] <infinity> I could make it some obscure config file option or something, so you only get one image by default, but that's sketchy.
[06:33] <shadeofgrey> by the way - infinity -0 and everybody else i appreciate everything you do to make ubuntu possible.  and i mean this very seriously, its improved my quality of life
[06:33] <shadeofgrey> i know that sounds dumb...  but its true
[06:33] <Sepheebear> how does one switch to vesafb to test out these hi-res images?
[06:33] <floam> infinity: the space issue was something I had not thought of
[06:34] <shadeofgrey> and thanks for tolerating my presence here on occasssion.  i know im not supposed to be here
[06:34] <infinity> shadeofgrey : Doesn't sound dumb at all.  There's a reason I've spent the last 6 years working on Debian (and now Ubuntu), and it's not all about personal satisfaction. :)
[06:34] <floam> even still, a lot of superficial people care quite a bit about that stuff, especially first impressions
[06:34] <floam> though XP looks like crap while it's booting too, so maybe no one really minds
[06:34] <infinity> floam : Yes, well aware of the superficiality issue. :)
[06:35] <shadeofgrey> im very willing to help out in any way i can...  except i cant code for shit
[06:35] <shadeofgrey> i walk better than i code
[06:35] <shadeofgrey> and ive never walked
[06:35] <shadeofgrey> so
[06:35] <infinity> floam : The other idea floated was just to make the boot screen so simple that it doesn't matter (like the MacOS boot logo, which is tiny, unintrusive, etc)
[06:35] <floam> infinity: yeah.
[06:35] <shadeofgrey> ...now... if you needed help with documentation, now your talking..
[06:36] <shadeofgrey> cause i write for a living
[06:36] <shadeofgrey> novels are my life
[06:36] <infinity> shadeofgrey : We ALWAYS need help with docs.  It's the one thing programmers really, really hate doing.
[06:36] <shadeofgrey> i love that kind of shit
[06:36] <floam> infinity: is there any plans to make it easier for people to setup vesafb? right now, it seems the only way to do that is just setting vga= and looking up the code in the kernel tree
[06:36] <shadeofgrey> where do i sign up?
[06:36] <infinity> (and, as such, we never get around to doing it, unless we're really bored, or getting paid to do so)
[06:36] <floam> which 99% of most people wouldn't know about
[06:36] <shadeofgrey> also
[06:36] <floam> it's not so much of a deal on analog displays, but LCDs can be hard to read at low resolutions because of interpolation
[06:37] <shadeofgrey> i know this is going to sound REALLY dumb but...  is there ANY way you guys know of that would make ubuntu capable  of running dragon naturally speaking?
[06:37] <infinity> floam : I hadn't made any plans to make it easier.  Heck, my vga= line isn't even in the kernel tree, I had to dig into the source, do some complex math, then guess a bit. :)
[06:37] <floam> heh
[06:37] <shadeofgrey> if that were possible you'd have disabled people in droves banging down your digital door
[06:37] <floam> infinity: actually, I think the tree only had the hexidecimal codes
[06:38] <floam> I think I looked mine up on google
[06:38] <floam> 794, I think.
[06:38] <shadeofgrey> seriously is there an opensource equivelsnt that works even 25% as good as DNS?
[06:38] <infinity> shadeofgrey : If it doesn't run under WINE, I suppose you could bug the winehq guys to make it a priority.  Do we not ship anything useable for speech recognition?
[06:39] <shadeofgrey> infinity:  not that i know of, but that doesnt mean much
[06:39] <infinity> floam : You can boot with the hex codes... Mine's vga=0x343
[06:39] <floam> infinity: I know.
[06:39] <infinity> Which is 835, I guess.
[06:39] <shadeofgrey> infinity: seriously how do i start helping withubuntu docs?  im ready...  sign me up
[06:39] <floam> I'm just saying my particular mode I must not have gotten from the tree because it's decimal
[06:39] <floam> I tend to have to do detective work to figure out what I was thinking, my memory sucks.
[06:39] <shadeofgrey> ill do all the docs you want in exchange for a 30" cinema display
[06:40] <infinity> shadeofgrey : To be honest, I have no idea.  Let me poke someone.
[06:40] <shadeofgrey> i hope that doesnt piss off the accessibility people.  can i be part ofg both?
[06:40] <floam> shadeofgrey: volunteer work tends not to get you free things
[06:41] <Sepheebear> shadeofgrey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam
[06:41] <whiprush> shadeofgrey: #ubuntu-docs and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocteam
[06:41] <whiprush> tons of links on that page
[06:41] <shadeofgrey> floam:  yeah i know... but ubuntu has given me so much, that i honestly wouldnt mind donating a few hours on the weekend helping ouyt with the docs
[06:41] <floam> shadeofgrey: I hope you grammar you use while working on the documentation is better than that you're using on IRC :)
[06:42] <whiprush> oops, that should be #ubuntu-doc. No S on that
[06:42] <floam> s/you grammar/the grammar/
[06:42] <shadeofgrey> my grammar doesnt suck when its important
[06:43] <shadeofgrey> besides, wouldnt there be like, somebody above me to insure my contributions dont suck?
[06:44] <crimsun> if you mean teammates, yes, not anyone technically "above" you.
[06:45] <floam> most likely yes, but that doesn't obviate the need to have good writing skills when you accept a position where you are writing
[06:45] <Sepheebear> this isnt sex, i think i'd find another thing to do if i wanted people on above me all the time
[06:46] <shadeofgrey> okay...  well....  I promise i wont let anything out the gate that sucks
[06:46] <shadeofgrey> hows that?
[06:47] <shadeofgrey> okay heres a question...  what are my options for creating a mail server using ubuntu
[06:47] <shadeofgrey> i know hula - but i wont use that because its so...  not ready
[06:47] <shadeofgrey> are there any other options?
[06:47] <shadeofgrey> correction -- robust and stable options?
[06:48] <Sepheebear> postfix is supported
[06:48] <shadeofgrey> and by the way...  if i installed ubuntu in server mode that would mean NO X - no gnome no nothing right?
[06:49] <shadeofgrey> is there a way to specify which packages you want when installing in server mode?
[06:49] <shadeofgrey> i shouldnt be asking you guys this
[06:49] <shadeofgrey> your going to get pissed.
[06:50] <shadeofgrey> okay.. ill depart now -- thanks a lot for the guidance in starting to help with docs
[06:50] <shadeofgrey> as soon as i get approved...or whatever... i promise ill jump right in
[06:50] <shadeofgrey> and just for the record
[06:50] <shadeofgrey> id get every last one of you something for christmas if i could afford it
[06:51] <shadeofgrey> but unfortunately i make $10 an hour
[06:51] <shadeofgrey> so my genuine thanks will have to do
[06:51] <shadeofgrey> any of you can message me while im connected if theres anything i can do to help you
[06:52] <shadeofgrey> ill drop whatever im doing to lend a hand...
[06:52] <shadeofgrey> i owe you guys that much
[06:52] <shadeofgrey> peace everybody.
[07:23] <TerminX> why is libnspr-dev putting stuff in /usr/include/mozilla/nspr/nspr instead of /usr/include/mozilla/nspr?  packaging error?
[07:32] <whiprush> hi jerome!
[07:45] <jsgotangco> whiprush, dude!
[07:45] <jsgotangco> whiprush, what's up?
[08:00] <whiprush> jsgotangco: just doing the Asia tour thing for the fridge.
[08:02] <jsgotangco> awesome
[08:04] <whiprush> off to the dubster for final editing-love.
[08:04] <whiprush> jsgotangco: are you also touring or what?
[08:04] <jsgotangco> whiprush, probably just the nearby countries its not that expensive to go there really
[08:04] <whiprush> cool.
[08:04] <jsgotangco> and 3 of the cities near mine are just 2 hour flights
[08:05] <whiprush> good good.
[08:05] <whiprush> local advocacy is so underrated. :)
[08:05] <jsgotangco> i've actually been helping out with them even before it was announced
[08:06] <whiprush> excellent.
[08:06] <jsgotangco> wonder if NA will have something similar
[08:07] <jsgotangco> i might visit my folks in chicago around June
[08:07] <jsgotangco> i'll make sure i drop by at detroit =)
[08:07] <whiprush> let me know, only a 6 hour drive for me.
[08:08] <dabaR> Hi. It says the breezy version of nvidia-glx is 7667, is that true?
[08:08] <whiprush> for some reason chicago doesn't seem to have a strong OSS community as the rest of the midwest US. easily fixable though. the gnomejournal guys live close to there.
[08:09] <jsgotangco> hmm i didnt know that
[08:09] <whiprush> making your visit a local ubuntu event shouldn't be too difficult.
[08:09] <dabaR> It says being that Ubotu reports that. 
[08:09] <whiprush> jsgotangco: bed for me, keep up the good fight!
[08:10] <jsgotangco> whiprush, later dude, i'm out for a party in a few hours (only 3pm here)
[08:11] <dabaR> jsgotangco: you are such a party animal.
[08:12] <jsgotangco> dabaR, dude, 9 days before christmas and its a weekend we should!
[08:12] <dabaR> heh. OK, well, Im gonna let my question stay on the screen now.
[08:14] <jsgotangco> dabaR, dude mine gives the same version
[08:14] <jsgotangco> 1.0.7667-0ubuntu25.1
[08:14] <dabaR> Ya, and this persistent dude on #ubuntu is trying to convince me that Ubotu is lying, which is impossible. The ubotu never lies.
[08:15] <dabaR> OK, well, thanks for your time.
[08:15] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[08:15] <jsgotangco> he doesn't konw what he's saying then
[08:15] <jsgotangco> =)
[08:15] <dabaR> Ya, and he is giving his great advice to others...which is to install the nvidia drivers from nvidia.
[08:16] <dabaR> And he has all this information... like, this driver number has issues with this...and this with that. And so on. Anyhow, Im just tired, I should ignore him.
[08:22] <jsgotangco> oh well later then!
[08:23] <dabaR> Im on the Internet!!!1
[10:47] <crimsun> elmo: please sync xdb, turck-mmcache and kcheckgmail from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes, thanks
[10:48] <Pygi> wb sh
[10:51] <\sh> moins
[10:52] <crimsun> feeling better?
[11:43] <crimsun> elmo: please sync libparagui1.0 from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes, thanks
[01:24] <mdke> anyone know what time the CC meeting is gonna be at next week?
[01:24] <Pygi> probably 1:00 UTC or 2:00 UTC
[01:25] <mdke> eh? how come?
[01:26] <Pygi> I don't know...this is just my guessing....
[01:27] <StevenK> The last one was 14:00 UTC, does that make the next one 20:00 UTC?
[01:27] <StevenK> Er, doesn't
[01:28] <mdke> it would do normally, yes
[01:28] <mdke> but the time appears not to have been set
[01:59] <shadeofgrey> could somebody please point me in the direction of a good sources.list file for upgrading to dapper
[01:59] <shadeofgrey> im ready to take the plunge, damnit
[02:00] <jdub> same as your breezy one, s/breezy/dapper/
[02:00] <shadeofgrey> really?
[02:00] <shadeofgrey> and i should comment out the other ones like backports and shit right?
[02:00] <mdke> shadeofgrey, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles, then as jdub says, substitute breezy for dapper
[02:01] <shadeofgrey> now okayt
[02:01] <mdke> you can comment out backports, security, and updates
[02:01] <shadeofgrey> heres my big question
[02:01] <shadeofgrey> i upgraded my version of firefox to 1.5 manually
[02:01] <shadeofgrey> the NON ubuntu version...  which is a thousand times faster
[02:01] <fabbione> shadeofgrey: #ubuntu please..
[02:01] <fabbione> this is offtopic here
[02:01] <mdke> shadeofgrey, by the way, they will help in #ubuntu
[02:01] <shadeofgrey> okayokay
[02:01] <shadeofgrey> sorry
[02:02] <mdke> hey jdub 
[02:07] <zul> stupid oprofile..grumble grumble
[02:46] <sivang> weird, I couldn't connect to freenode from one of the servers I'm using. had to switch to the one in .de
[02:47] <Riddell> see freenode's news page
[02:47] <sivang> Riddell: I was trying to connect from muse, have you had troubles as well?
[02:48] <Riddell> sivang: freenode's news page reveals all
[02:48] <mdke> sivang, everyone has, see freenode's news page
[02:49] <Treenaks> doesn't make freenode less crap ;)
[02:49] <sivang> yes, reading about the spambots now
[02:49] <Treenaks> s/^/reading the news page 
[02:50] <sivang> ok, I'll retry with chat.f.n
[02:50] <Treenaks> chat.freenode and irc.freenode are _identical_ from my end...
[02:50] <Treenaks> I had to switch to irc.eu.freenode
[02:50] <infinity> (longterm, that is)
[02:50] <Treenaks> infinity: Lilo-logic
[02:51] <sivang> Treenaks: also from pitti's server, but from muse it's not. odd
[02:52] <sivang> infinity: me as well
[02:53] <sivang> ok, it worked.
[02:54] <sivang> ah, that's better.
[02:59] <azeem> lifeless: http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/opensync/
[02:59] <azeem> eh, ECHAN, sort of
[03:00] <lifeless> pushing an update to the debian dir
[03:00] <lifeless> for the libtool and debhelper deps
[03:02] <sivang> hmm, dapper just hung up on me.
[03:03] <sivang> it's also somewhat slower then it was 2 upgrades ago
[03:04] <mdke> dapper is wicked fast for me
[03:04] <mdke> if completely broken :(
[03:04] <sivang> mdke: cool for you then...
[03:05] <sivang> mdke: what about freezes ? has it went frozen for you yet?
[03:05] <mdke> no
[03:06] <mdke> but I have no browser or help :)
[03:06] <sivang> mdke: ah, well, I'm mostly operational :)
[03:06] <sivang> gues you can't have it all
[03:06] <mdke> lol
[03:13] <Tm_T> heh, alsa-source package doesn't install properly
[03:13] <Tm_T> Setting up alsa-source (1.0.10-2) ...
[03:13] <Tm_T> dpkg: error processing alsa-source (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
[03:13] <Tm_T> known issue?
[03:21] <siretart> err, in the new cups world order (dapper), how is the user supposed to let other computers in the network print on his printer?
[03:24] <Pygi> siretart: samba?
[03:25] <siretart> Pygi: I mean letting other ubuntu computers print on his printer. not necessarily windows computers
[03:27] <Pygi> k, siretart, just a moment pls
[03:33] <siretart> well, I managed doing it by hacking my cupsd.conf, but I cannot imagine thats the way it is supposed to work
[03:39] <ogra> siretart, IPP ?
[03:39] <ogra> as windows does nowadays 
[03:39] <siretart> ogra: well, the default config makes cups only listen on localhost
[03:40] <siretart> ogra: and I only found how to activate Browsing, so I can find printers from other computers, who do activly propagate their printers
[03:40] <ogra> you dont want to listen... you want to share, right ? 
[03:41] <siretart> I want the user to be able to have 2 computers, (laptop and workstation) with the printer at the workstation to be able to print from his laptop
[03:41] <siretart> if my father asks me that, I'd like to give him simple instructions
[03:41] <ogra> if i look at my usb printer's settings, its set as IPP network printer with address usb:/dev/usb/lp0
[03:41] <siretart> as said, I managed it over here with fiddling cupsd.conf, but that cannot be the way to go
[03:42] <ogra> works fine for other network systems, as well as windows
[03:42] <ogra> no need to touch cups configurations at all
[03:43] <siretart> but how can this work?
[03:43] <siretart> I mean, cups listens on localhost by default!
[03:44] <ogra> not if the printer is IPP 
[03:44] <ogra> thats what IPP is for ...
[03:44] <siretart> the printer is connected via usb to the workstation
[03:44] <ogra> and on your client, if you switch on browse, it scans for IPP exported printers in the network
[03:44] <ogra> yes
[03:45] <siretart> hm
[03:45] <ogra> but the driver is IPP network printer, with local address usb:/dev/usb/lp0
[03:45] <siretart> aaah, now I got it..
[03:46] <siretart> hm. still not that obvious. do we have this documented somewhere?
[03:47] <ogra> i dont think so, but i didnt select anything special ...
[03:47] <ogra> i just plugged in the printer back then and used the offered defaults
[03:47] <siretart> hm
[03:47] <siretart> will test this again, after I upgrade the next machine to dapper
[03:48] <siretart> thanks for explanation
[03:48] <ogra> btw, the config was made on hoary, i didnt change it since then ... so the defaults might be different today
[03:48] <ogra> (but i doubt tht)
[03:48] <ogra> *that
[03:50] <siretart> hm. interesting
[04:05] <lathiat> whos the apt guru?
[04:06] <sivang> lathiat: mvo
[04:06] <lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/apt-broken.txt
[04:06] <lathiat> minor cosmetic bug
[04:06] <lathiat> but interesting
[04:06] <lathiat> oh actually ignore me
[04:06] <lathiat> reinstalls just plain dont show up
[04:47] <mdke> is anyone around to approve/deny breezy-updates while mdz and Kamion are away?
[04:47] <Pygi> \sh maybe? but he is away now
[04:48] <ogra> he has no power for such stuff
[04:49] <mdke> ogra, can anyone else, do you know?
[04:49] <Pygi> ogra: oh,k
[04:49] <ogra> nope
[04:49] <mdke> ok thanks
[04:50] <ogra> mdke, but they should both be back on momday 
[04:51] <mdke> ogra, oh awesome, np then
[04:51] <mdke> do unapproved packages in breezy-updates get dropped after a certain time?
[04:51] <ogra> i think they idle in the queue until someoine does
[04:52] <mdke> oh good
[05:23] <shawarma> slomo: ping?
[05:23] <slomo> shawarma: pong
[05:23] <shawarma> slomo: It was you who asked me to look at the libmms soname thing, right?
[05:25] <slomo> shawarma: yes
[05:25] <shawarma> It's actually quite funny because they actually put the -version-info on the libtool command line, but left it at 0:0:0.. I looked at the interfaces and they are apparantly compatible, so it's only the age thing that should be fixed.
[05:26] <shawarma> AFAICS that's not too important, is it? I'll fix it in CVS for the next release, but is the age part of the soname really very important?
[05:29] <Checksi> hello
[05:37] <slomo> shawarma: well... not too important but it would be nice to have it right ;)
[05:41] <shawarma> slomo: How did you spot it?
[05:42] <slomo> shawarma: objdump on the library ;)
[05:43] <slomo> fabbione? 
[05:43] <fabbione> slomo: http://buildd.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs/x/xine-lib/1.1.1-0ubuntu4/
[05:43] <fabbione> slomo: look at the sparc failure (46K)
[05:44] <fabbione> and fix.. please :)
[05:44] <slomo> give me a sparc to fix it ;)
[05:44] <fabbione> you don
[05:44] <fabbione> ARGH
[05:44] <fabbione> you don't need a sparc to fix it :)
[05:45] <fabbione> but i can build attempts to fix :)
[05:45] <slomo> oh right... just a problem with an include... i already feared another assembler mess in ffmpeg ;)
[05:46] <slomo> i'll take a look later... but on monday this problem will move out of xine-lib anyway
[05:46] <fabbione> slomo: i am ok with timing :)
[05:46] <fabbione> it was just to make you aware of that
[05:47] <ogra> seb128, in a .desktop file, if i have a .xpm and a .png with the same name in .../pixmaps/, which is preferred ? 
[05:47] <seb128> png
[05:47] <ogra> seb128, (thinking aout the tuxpaint bug)
[05:47] <ogra> *+about
[05:47] <seb128> is the bug about using xpm?
[05:47] <ogra> i suspect there is something broken with the image
[05:47] <ogra> nope, but tuxpaint ships and installs both
[05:47] <shawarma> slomo: ..well, of course, but what made you look in the first place?
[05:48] <slomo> fabbione: it's also ftbfs on ia64 currently... but as ffmpeg/faad will move to another package on monday it will build again there :) but i guess i can fix it after it moved... so many ftbfs to handle lately :(
[05:48] <slomo> shawarma: new upstream version of a library ;)
[05:48] <ogra> seb128, the breakage occurs if you scale it apparently
[05:48] <ogra> i.e. resize the panel
[05:48] <shawarma> slomo: You always do an objdump on new libraries? 
[05:48] <fabbione> slomo: as i said i am not in a hurry :) just be sure that all the splitting you are doing will still allow me to watch DVD :)
[05:48] <seb128> ogra: I though it was about the menu item
[05:48] <fabbione> slomo: since xine is my primary source of fun on my tivo box :P
[05:48] <ogra> seb128, which uses a image 
[05:49] <seb128> they are not dependant of the panel width
[05:49] <fabbione> slomo: and yes.. i am running dapper on that toy :P
[05:49] <slomo> shawarma: yes... when they use 0:0:0 at least ;)
[05:50] <ogra> seb128, if i resize the panel, the image gets scaled ...
[05:50] <seb128> the menu items?
[05:50] <slomo> fabbione: oh nice, someone to test it later :P i don't touch anything dvd related but please report anyway :)
[05:50] <shawarma> slomo: But you don't know that until you've done the objdump.. :-/
[05:50] <ogra> seb128, the bugreporter talks about a menu item he added to the panel
[05:50] <fabbione> slomo: did you ever see me being silent? ;) i suggest you get an helmet and dig a bunker.. just in case i decide to poweron the sodomotron :P
[05:51] <slomo> shawarma: sure... the library is called libfoo.so.0.0.0 ;)
[05:51] <slomo> fabbione: oh... but be carefull, when you kill me i can't fix anything ;P
[05:51] <shawarma> slomo: Oh,right.
[05:51] <ogra> seb128, see comment #6
[05:52] <seb128> ogra: I don't know this bug, I don't really what you are talking about, let me open it
[05:52] <seb128> I've tried like 10 seconds 3 months ago
[05:52] <seb128> didn't get any crash
[05:52] <ogra> me neither 
[05:52] <ogra> but the last comment suspiciosly looks like a graphics problem ...
[05:52] <seb128> obviously you know that the guy change the panel width and that there is 2 icons, that's something :p
[05:52] <seb128> I've not read the comments
[05:52] <ogra> oh, the prelast ..
[05:53] <seb128> I've ~490 unred bug mails atm
[05:53] <seb128> unread
[05:53] <ogra> oh
[05:53] <ogra> mine are all read ...
[05:53] <ogra> but i might have 490 in sum over all releases :)
[05:53] <seb128> I just read when I'm decided to do something on the bug
[05:53] <seb128> I let unread the "must work on" bugs
[05:54] <seb128> ie: I've no idea of this bug and I can't reproduce
[05:54] <seb128> so I let it unread
[05:54] <ogra> the 0xb7ddb4c0 in art_bezier_to_vec () from /usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2 error sounds like a image prob to me 
[05:56] <seb128> right
[05:57] <ogra> and since its only one launcher (tuxpaint) i suspect the png is broken ...
[05:57] <ogra> i'll grab that bug ... so you have one less :)
[05:57] <seb128> ogra: vuntz and lllmanulll are on it, that's why I didn't really bothered
[05:57] <ogra> ok
[05:58] <vuntz> I'm not really on it
[05:58] <ogra> so i'll leave it to them .... 
[05:58] <vuntz> ogra is on it :-)
[05:58] <ogra> vuntz, to late, seb128's word rules ;)
[05:58] <vuntz> if someone can attach the image file, btw...
[05:58] <ogra> giggles evilish*
[06:47] <mdke> does there happen to be a dpkg guru around who has 5 minutes to help me unblock my dapper system?
[06:48] <seb128> I'm not a guru but may be able to reply
[06:48] <seb128> why not just asking? :)
[06:48] <fabbione> and topic
[06:49] <mdke> that's why
[06:49] <seb128> bah, according to the chan activity I guess nobody will kick you to ask something
[06:49] <seb128> feel free to ask on #ubuntu-desktop if you want, we have no issue with a little noise :p
[06:50] <mdke> great thanks seb
[06:54] <BenC> anyone else seeing get_netlink_msg errors from udev?
[06:54] <BenC> ENOBUFS error from the recv() call to be exact
[07:11] <Riddell> elmo: please sync noteedit, licq, kvdr and packagesearch from debian overwriting ubuntu changes
[07:13] <LaserJock> seb128: ping?
[07:14] <seb128> LaserJock: pong
[07:14] <LaserJock> seb128: you marked my yelp bug as a duplicate. #21015
[07:14] <LaserJock> seb128: I am still not quite understanding it
[07:15] <LaserJock> seb128: how come some people see it but others don't
[07:15] <seb128> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/compreg.dat gets generated by something
[07:15] <seb128> we didn't figure what
[07:16] <seb128> it's not supposed to be created/shipped with 1.5
[07:16] <LaserJock> but I have my dapper install and chroot dapper install both dist-upgraded from breezy at about the same time, yet one works and one doesn't
[07:16] <LaserJock> seems kinda weird to me
[07:16] <seb128> you have probably a difference in the package list
[07:17] <seb128> like a l10n package
[07:17] <seb128> or an extension installed
[07:17] <seb128> or firefox were running during the upgrade for one and not the other
[07:17] <LaserJock> oh, that's enough to do it ?
[07:17] <seb128> or I don't know
[07:17] <seb128> as said before we didn't figure what's causing it
[07:17] <LaserJock> wow, that seems hard to figure out
[07:17] <seb128> right
[07:17] <seb128> those are random idea on the topic
[07:18] <LaserJock> ok, I just wanted to get a better idea of what was going on. Is there any info I can give that would help?
[07:18] <seb128> figure what creates the file? :)
[07:18] <LaserJock> so would firefox extensions do it?
[07:19] <seb128> you can guess from the file timestamp what you did around the time it get generated
[07:19] <LaserJock> ahh, ok
[07:19] <seb128> I doubt of it because you don't run firefox with sudo usually
[07:19] <seb128> so it should not be able to write this file
[07:19] <seb128> I would bet on something done by a package
[07:20] <LaserJock> ok, I will try to see what the difference is between my installs
[07:20] <seb128> thank you
[07:26] <LaserJock> seb128: ok, on the day that the compreg.dat file was created I installed quite a few things but the one that sticks out is that I installed and removed mozilla
[07:27] <seb128> mozilla-browser?
[07:27] <LaserJock> yes
[07:27] <tuhl> when will we get libenchant 1.2 inti Ubuntu?
[07:28] <LaserJock> well, actually the whole mozilla meta package
[07:28] <tuhl> this is necessary for compiling  current abiword verisons
[07:28] <seb128> tuhl: when it'll be required :)
[07:28] <mdke> seb128, LaserJock, I don't think I've ever had mozilla-browser installed here
[07:28] <seb128> tuhl: I'll package it tomorrow or monday
[07:28] <mdke> system was pretty much a standard dapper flight 1
[07:28] <seb128> I've just installed/removed it
[07:28] <tuhl> seb128: Requested 'enchant >= 1.2.0' but version of libenchant is 1.1.6
[07:28] <seb128> doesn't do this
[07:29] <tuhl> seb128: thanks
[07:29] <seb128> tuhl: "we" beeing a package of the distro
[07:29] <seb128> I mean
[07:29] <seb128> "it"ll be" = "it'll be by a package"
[07:57] <LaserJock> mdke: dpkg -S /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/compreg.dat doesn't give me anything so I'm not sure what would have installed it
[08:03] <Amaranth> pretty sure firefox generates it on first start
[08:09] <Hieronymus> Isn't that a known bug?
[08:10] <Hieronymus> #20183
[08:10] <ogra> apart from Amaranth being wrong ? 
[08:10] <Hieronymus> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20183
[08:11] <ogra> ogra@honk:~$ ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/compreg.dat
[08:11] <ogra> ls: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/compreg.dat: No such file or directory
[08:11] <ogra> thats a clean flight 2 with firefox being run several times already
[08:12] <ogra> it must be a leftover from breezy installs ...
[08:13] <ogra> additionally a user that starts firefox has no rights to write to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/, so there is no possibility it creates it on first start
[08:13] <ogra> it could only happen from a package, but then you'd be able to find it somewhere in postinst or in the package itself, which s not the case
[08:18] <mdke> mine came from a dapper flight 1 install
[08:18] <mdke> must be the old firefox, before 1.5
[08:18] <ogra> yup
[08:18] <ogra> but there is no trace in the package that anything is related to it
[08:19] <mdke> it's a mystery
[08:19] <ogra> yup
[11:35] <crimsun> elmo: please sync tse3, tellico, swh-plugins, wordtrans, wftk, strutilsxx, and stk from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes. Thanks.
[11:40] <sistpoty> elmo: please sync libprinterconf from unstable, ubuntu override ok. thx.
[11:49] <Tm_T> any known xorg crash issues?
[11:50] <Tm_T> with nvidia
[11:59] <lucasvo> Tm_T: lots, but you can't change them :D
[11:59] <Tm_T> hehe
[11:59] <Tm_T> had two crashes tonight, just wanted to know if there's something to test / reproduce