[12:01] it's about time I finish that code [12:01] <\sh> ok...good night [12:01] g'night [12:02] nautilus's ssh module is dog slow, though [12:02] yeah sometimes it can be annoying === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke shouts at language-selector [12:05] "fix broken packages" ?? [12:07] does language-selector barf if the system is not fully upgraded? [12:07] yes [12:07] oh pants [12:07] update-manager and gnome-app-install too [12:07] including packages being kept back? [12:08] dunno about that [12:08] poke mvo :) [12:08] i will file a bug [12:08] that's one way of poking :) [12:08] especially because i don't always get the error message, sometimes it just stops and doesn't do anything [12:13] god gnome-app-install doesn't even open [12:13] poke mvo harder :) === mdke searches bugzilla [12:15] i think that might be a feature tho === mdke open synaptic === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-253-157.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] ok 3 bugs could be considered sufficient poking of mvo for one night, i'll go to bed === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] lamont, infinity: please give-back mono on ppc... it definitely builds fine here on my ppc [12:56] slomo_: and what's the error in the log? [12:57] lamont: a segfault in mono somewhere... i wonder how we can debug this if it's not temporary... i can't reproduce it here :/ === crimsun [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryanpg [n=ryanpg@71.194.38.156] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] argh... pitti's not around... [01:07] http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20564 still is buggy for me but I don't want to reopen it if I'm the only one === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel === prout [n=prout@lns-bzn-16-82-248-41-61.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@24-116-61-125.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-16-29.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] jdub: hows your list coming? === sephee is now known as Sepheebear === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] am I correct in thinking mplayer-686 cannot currently be installed in dapper due to broken libjack dependencies? === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-068-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] tseng: whichwhat? oh! [02:50] tseng: same === crimsun [n=crimsun@cpe-065-185-221-122.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] there is no more mplayer-686, they're all dummy packs now === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487F125.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] jdub: since it's a separate package, how about nautilus-open-terminal, not quite a powerdrill but necessary in any geek toolbox [03:07] Sepheebear: nautilus-actions usurps it [03:07] havent tried that [03:08] when using the DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_blah variable in debian/rules, how can I install two manpages? (the .deb contains two binaries) [03:09] Sepheebear, yeah I know... I just didn't have sources.list configured properly, I got it fixed now thanks though === dilinger [i=dilinger@mouth.voxel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] seth_k|lappy: did you mean that for -motu? [03:11] crimsun, meh, sorry === seth_k|lappy switches tabs [03:13] i saw an cool app today Wallpapoz looks nifty but i think only a geek would go for that kind of novelty [03:14] would definately be an extension though [03:14] Sepheebear, actually I think wallpapoz has a pretty broad appeal [03:15] Sepheebear, aamof a guy new to ubuntu was struggling with installing it in #ubuntu a few days ago iirc === ryanpg realizes the contradiction of using aamof and iirc in the same sentence :P [03:16] ryanpg: maybe but i dont know many non-geeks who use more than one desktop [03:16] using windows has most of them pretty well trained [03:16] Sepheebear, hmm... yet ubunut defaults to four yes? [03:17] ubuntu even [03:17] :D === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] wallpapoz is undergoing a rewrite soon though, least that's what I thought [03:20] considered wallpapoz, but it needs some serious UI love [03:20] seriously, it has an interface only a mother could love [03:21] hehe, it might satisfy the "gnome is too simple" crowd ;) [03:21] even powertools should be slick and simple [03:22] i have some problems with that crowd [03:22] well of course I was j/k hence the "hehe" and ;) === ryanpg doesn't want to start trouble [03:23] speaking of powertools...., gnome could have a set of 'power toys' gui's which could be used to edit "hidden" gconf values - which aren't touched in standard preferences dialogs [03:23] gtweakui [03:23] typical user get "just work", kde users get flexibility [03:23] oh, i meant that, power users, sorry [03:23] oh, that exists already. thanks tseng [03:24] np [03:24] not to go too crazy OT but svn gnome-launch-box looks really nifty [03:24] cairo and compositor'ification [03:25] ryanpg: is g-l-b supposed to be a background app? i remember trying it but i couldnt figure out what it did [03:26] Sepheebear: its based on quicksilver for macosx [03:26] Sepheebear, I think it's a bit young to know quite what it's supposed to be [03:27] also similar to deskbar-applet [03:27] you type something in and it tries to guess what you want [03:27] email a person, run a program, search for a file [03:27] google desktop does a bit of the same as well [03:28] tseng, are you one of the g-l-b devs? [03:28] Sepheebear, http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/GNOME_Launch_Box === LaserJock [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] morning all! :D [03:32] ryanpg: no, i am omniscient === tseng kids [03:33] im neither === ozamosi [n=nozamosi@tor/session/x-ab2f976f6564db0a] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pef_aw [n=loic@81.56.130.224] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] jdub: rodrigo's /etc/motd patch, gnome-launch-box (too immature maybe), istanbul. (My short list from work) [04:02] I think the rest have been mentioned. [04:06] oh, hardware-monitor is pretty spiffy also. === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun_ [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:29] whiprush: g-l-b is already in, patches aren't eligible ;-) and istanbul should be integrated into gnome-panel-screenshot for 2.14 (or i will yell!) [04:30] hardware-monitor... === jdub checks out [04:30] it's a nicer cpu/ram/temp monitor [04:30] *shrug* [04:30] by ole! [04:30] heh, gtkmm [04:31] hrm, the sshot link is dead [04:31] whiprush: you running it atm? [04:31] yep. [04:31] got a moment to flickrise? :) [04:31] yeah gimme a minute [04:34] took me a moment to parse "flickrise" [04:35] elmo: please libgettext-ruby, libgtk-trayicon-ruby, and ruby-gnome2 from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes, on behalf of lucas. Thanks! :) [04:35] jdub: I'm nx'ed in and screenshotting doesn't seem to work: http://knoppix.ru/img/140704-1.jpg [04:35] that's the general idea [04:37] hrm, can't get there [04:38] http://www.secs.oakland.edu/~castro/140704-1.jpg [04:39] hmm [04:39] i think i'll leave that one to author proposal after powertools is announced [04:39] heh [04:39] bit wary of duplication === ozamosi [n=nnozamos@tor/session/x-3293ea9652f42d2c] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:58] that nautilus-actions thing is cool, i dont see a package for it though. is it going to be part of gnome? [05:01] Hrm. I there a simple unix command line tool to wrap lines? [05:01] (Don't say perl and libtext-wrapper-perl) === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] infinity: fold [05:29] :-) === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:32] Ahh. [05:32] Too late, I already added unnecessary complexity. === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@24-116-61-125.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:55] anyone know what's the diff between vim-gnome and vim-gtk? [05:56] They both suck differently? [05:57] If I had to guess, I'd say -gtk uses GTK libs for rendering, but doesn't do all the wonderful GNOMEish things that -gnome does (like gnomevfs, for instance) [05:58] vim-gnome doesnt do gnomevfs here [05:59] they seem to be the same thing, im wondering the need of 2 different packages [06:00] It's linked to all the gnome libs (including gnomevfs), so I'd say it's abug if it doesn't use it. [06:09] Sepheebear: I have often wondered the same thing [06:10] I never know quite what to install but I usually do vim-python. [06:10] just noticed i've secretly been switched to vim-gtk since breezy's release. i haven't noticed the difference until just now [06:11] vim-gnome has no .desktop vim-gtk does [06:11] oh wait neither of them do [06:12] yeah, I think there is a bug report somewhere about that [06:15] yeah http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7059 === shadeofgrey [n=shadeofg@24-52-41-197.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:20] nope infinity vim-gnome really doesnt do gnomevfs [06:20] does dapper boot yet? [06:20] i wanna see it really bad [06:20] sure, why not [06:21] dapper wasnt booting? [06:21] various friends told me a week ago that when they updated to it it refused to even boot properly [06:21] well, there was a bit of a struggle when the new kernel and udev stuff got going [06:22] is it safe for somebody linux-dumb like myself? im physically handicapped andam trying to help out with accessibility [06:23] if not ill wait [06:23] i just really wanna see it [06:23] i heard its pretty if you have a nice graphics card [06:24] which i do' [06:24] ...though i must confess im lusting for a 30" cinema display like, daily now [06:24] well, it's hard to make a recommendation. I mean it works fine for me pretty much, but that doesn't mean it is going to work for you [06:24] all i need is firefox, thunderbird, and openoffice to work [06:24] thats it [06:24] oh ... andsomething that plays mp3s [06:25] thats basically all i need [06:25] all of those work well for me. Firefox is a beta version, but seems to work well for me (sometimes it takes a lot of cpu for a few seconds) [06:26] please tell me they changed the really pussy startup screen ala winxp [06:26] please please please [06:26] hmm, not quite sure of what you are talking about. At boot? or at Gnome startup? [06:26] at boot [06:27] dont like the usplash? [06:27] well [06:27] i would [06:27] except it sucks [06:27] like, rancid ardvark balls. [06:28] The artwork hasn't changed (yet), if that's what you mean. [06:28] pardon me for being blunt bout it [06:28] lol just disable it [06:28] It's being worked on. [06:28] i just thought we'd left 16 bit color when we all chose to not use windows [06:28] 4-bit, you mean. [06:28] 16-colours total. [06:28] And that won't change, sorry. [06:29] why not? [06:29] some clients don't have fancy displays [06:29] Too many graphics cards have a hissy fit when you try to initialise them in other modes. [06:29] ill PAY to have it changed [06:29] isnt that a limitation of the fb driver? [06:29] i swear [06:29] shadeofgrey : Pay for everyone to use the same video card, and we'll talk. [06:29] dont have that much cash [06:29] that'd be nice [06:30] Sepheebear : Well, yes and no. We're using vga16fb specifically because other framebuffer initialisations (like vesafb) can leave people with machines that won't properly suspend/resume, etc. [06:30] but in all seriouisness, if i went out and did something rash, like bought an Nvidia 7800 card and a 30 inch cinema display would ubuntu still work? [06:30] Yup. [06:30] Works fine on such shiny new hardware. [06:30] You'll still hate usplash, but the rest will make you happy. [06:31] it also scales down to the lower end equipment, which is equally important. [06:31] im considering selling my spare wheelchair to get the money for a cinema display [06:31] usplash doesn't look bad on high resolution framebuffer consoles [06:31] ...trust me - for a disabled person - thats drastic [06:31] other than the obvious dithering on the logo [06:31] floam : The artwork is in the process of being redone to use less (or no) dithering. [06:32] infinity: cool [06:32] i have a 19 inch samsung right now [06:32] but 30" of cinema goodness is enoughto make any of you drool [06:32] The breezy artwork was fairly obviously not designed with 16 colours in mind, which is why it looks a bit icky. [06:32] well [06:32] most of you [06:32] infinity: it'd be intersting if usplash could figure out how many colors are available and have multiple images to used based upon that. [06:32] floam : I can easily do that, but the more images we stuff in the initramfs, the more it bloats out for very little gain. [06:32] so is the general consdcensus that i should wait on dapper? [06:32] infinity: well, I have a 16M color console, I'd be happy with the same stuff with more colors. [06:32] ah, true. [06:33] floam : I've already been tossing around the idea of higher res images for people botting with vesafb. But.. Not sure if it's worth it. [06:33] I could make it some obscure config file option or something, so you only get one image by default, but that's sketchy. [06:33] by the way - infinity -0 and everybody else i appreciate everything you do to make ubuntu possible. and i mean this very seriously, its improved my quality of life [06:33] i know that sounds dumb... but its true [06:33] how does one switch to vesafb to test out these hi-res images? [06:33] infinity: the space issue was something I had not thought of [06:34] and thanks for tolerating my presence here on occasssion. i know im not supposed to be here [06:34] shadeofgrey : Doesn't sound dumb at all. There's a reason I've spent the last 6 years working on Debian (and now Ubuntu), and it's not all about personal satisfaction. :) [06:34] even still, a lot of superficial people care quite a bit about that stuff, especially first impressions [06:34] though XP looks like crap while it's booting too, so maybe no one really minds [06:34] floam : Yes, well aware of the superficiality issue. :) [06:35] im very willing to help out in any way i can... except i cant code for shit [06:35] i walk better than i code [06:35] and ive never walked [06:35] so [06:35] floam : The other idea floated was just to make the boot screen so simple that it doesn't matter (like the MacOS boot logo, which is tiny, unintrusive, etc) [06:35] infinity: yeah. [06:35] ...now... if you needed help with documentation, now your talking.. [06:36] cause i write for a living [06:36] novels are my life [06:36] shadeofgrey : We ALWAYS need help with docs. It's the one thing programmers really, really hate doing. [06:36] i love that kind of shit [06:36] infinity: is there any plans to make it easier for people to setup vesafb? right now, it seems the only way to do that is just setting vga= and looking up the code in the kernel tree [06:36] where do i sign up? [06:36] (and, as such, we never get around to doing it, unless we're really bored, or getting paid to do so) [06:36] which 99% of most people wouldn't know about [06:36] also [06:36] it's not so much of a deal on analog displays, but LCDs can be hard to read at low resolutions because of interpolation [06:37] i know this is going to sound REALLY dumb but... is there ANY way you guys know of that would make ubuntu capable of running dragon naturally speaking? [06:37] floam : I hadn't made any plans to make it easier. Heck, my vga= line isn't even in the kernel tree, I had to dig into the source, do some complex math, then guess a bit. :) [06:37] heh [06:37] if that were possible you'd have disabled people in droves banging down your digital door [06:37] infinity: actually, I think the tree only had the hexidecimal codes [06:38] I think I looked mine up on google [06:38] 794, I think. [06:38] seriously is there an opensource equivelsnt that works even 25% as good as DNS? [06:38] shadeofgrey : If it doesn't run under WINE, I suppose you could bug the winehq guys to make it a priority. Do we not ship anything useable for speech recognition? [06:39] infinity: not that i know of, but that doesnt mean much [06:39] floam : You can boot with the hex codes... Mine's vga=0x343 [06:39] infinity: I know. [06:39] Which is 835, I guess. [06:39] infinity: seriously how do i start helping withubuntu docs? im ready... sign me up [06:39] I'm just saying my particular mode I must not have gotten from the tree because it's decimal [06:39] I tend to have to do detective work to figure out what I was thinking, my memory sucks. [06:39] ill do all the docs you want in exchange for a 30" cinema display [06:40] shadeofgrey : To be honest, I have no idea. Let me poke someone. [06:40] i hope that doesnt piss off the accessibility people. can i be part ofg both? [06:40] shadeofgrey: volunteer work tends not to get you free things [06:41] shadeofgrey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam [06:41] shadeofgrey: #ubuntu-docs and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocteam [06:41] tons of links on that page [06:41] floam: yeah i know... but ubuntu has given me so much, that i honestly wouldnt mind donating a few hours on the weekend helping ouyt with the docs [06:41] shadeofgrey: I hope you grammar you use while working on the documentation is better than that you're using on IRC :) [06:42] oops, that should be #ubuntu-doc. No S on that [06:42] s/you grammar/the grammar/ [06:42] my grammar doesnt suck when its important [06:43] besides, wouldnt there be like, somebody above me to insure my contributions dont suck? [06:44] if you mean teammates, yes, not anyone technically "above" you. [06:45] most likely yes, but that doesn't obviate the need to have good writing skills when you accept a position where you are writing [06:45] this isnt sex, i think i'd find another thing to do if i wanted people on above me all the time [06:46] okay... well.... I promise i wont let anything out the gate that sucks [06:46] hows that? [06:47] okay heres a question... what are my options for creating a mail server using ubuntu [06:47] i know hula - but i wont use that because its so... not ready [06:47] are there any other options? [06:47] correction -- robust and stable options? [06:48] postfix is supported [06:48] and by the way... if i installed ubuntu in server mode that would mean NO X - no gnome no nothing right? [06:49] is there a way to specify which packages you want when installing in server mode? [06:49] i shouldnt be asking you guys this [06:49] your going to get pissed. [06:50] okay.. ill depart now -- thanks a lot for the guidance in starting to help with docs [06:50] as soon as i get approved...or whatever... i promise ill jump right in [06:50] and just for the record [06:50] id get every last one of you something for christmas if i could afford it [06:51] but unfortunately i make $10 an hour [06:51] so my genuine thanks will have to do [06:51] any of you can message me while im connected if theres anything i can do to help you [06:52] ill drop whatever im doing to lend a hand... [06:52] i owe you guys that much [06:52] peace everybody. === shadeofgrey [n=shadeofg@24-52-41-197.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ozamosi [n=nnnozamo@tor/session/x-b17e4fef4ebc9e0e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:23] why is libnspr-dev putting stuff in /usr/include/mozilla/nspr/nspr instead of /usr/include/mozilla/nspr? packaging error? === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-205-157.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:32] hi jerome! [07:45] whiprush, dude! [07:45] whiprush, what's up? === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:00] jsgotangco: just doing the Asia tour thing for the fridge. [08:02] awesome [08:04] off to the dubster for final editing-love. [08:04] jsgotangco: are you also touring or what? [08:04] whiprush, probably just the nearby countries its not that expensive to go there really [08:04] cool. [08:04] and 3 of the cities near mine are just 2 hour flights [08:05] good good. [08:05] local advocacy is so underrated. :) [08:05] i've actually been helping out with them even before it was announced [08:06] excellent. [08:06] wonder if NA will have something similar [08:07] i might visit my folks in chicago around June [08:07] i'll make sure i drop by at detroit =) [08:07] let me know, only a 6 hour drive for me. === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-179-152.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] Hi. It says the breezy version of nvidia-glx is 7667, is that true? [08:08] for some reason chicago doesn't seem to have a strong OSS community as the rest of the midwest US. easily fixable though. the gnomejournal guys live close to there. [08:09] hmm i didnt know that [08:09] making your visit a local ubuntu event shouldn't be too difficult. [08:09] It says being that Ubotu reports that. [08:09] jsgotangco: bed for me, keep up the good fight! [08:10] whiprush, later dude, i'm out for a party in a few hours (only 3pm here) [08:11] jsgotangco: you are such a party animal. [08:12] dabaR, dude, 9 days before christmas and its a weekend we should! [08:12] heh. OK, well, Im gonna let my question stay on the screen now. [08:14] dabaR, dude mine gives the same version [08:14] 1.0.7667-0ubuntu25.1 [08:14] Ya, and this persistent dude on #ubuntu is trying to convince me that Ubotu is lying, which is impossible. The ubotu never lies. [08:15] OK, well, thanks for your time. [08:15] ahhh [08:15] he doesn't konw what he's saying then [08:15] =) [08:15] Ya, and he is giving his great advice to others...which is to install the nvidia drivers from nvidia. [08:16] And he has all this information... like, this driver number has issues with this...and this with that. And so on. Anyhow, Im just tired, I should ignore him. [08:22] oh well later then! 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[01:24] probably 1:00 UTC or 2:00 UTC [01:25] eh? how come? [01:26] I don't know...this is just my guessing.... [01:27] The last one was 14:00 UTC, does that make the next one 20:00 UTC? [01:27] Er, doesn't [01:28] it would do normally, yes === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable084.72-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] but the time appears not to have been set === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shadeofgrey [n=shadeofg@24-52-41-197.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] could somebody please point me in the direction of a good sources.list file for upgrading to dapper [01:59] im ready to take the plunge, damnit [02:00] same as your breezy one, s/breezy/dapper/ [02:00] really? === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] and i should comment out the other ones like backports and shit right? [02:00] shadeofgrey, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles, then as jdub says, substitute breezy for dapper [02:01] now okayt [02:01] you can comment out backports, security, and updates [02:01] heres my big question [02:01] i upgraded my version of firefox to 1.5 manually [02:01] the NON ubuntu version... which is a thousand times faster [02:01] shadeofgrey: #ubuntu please.. [02:01] this is offtopic here [02:01] shadeofgrey, by the way, they will help in #ubuntu [02:01] okayokay [02:01] sorry === shadeofgrey [n=shadeofg@24-52-41-197.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:02] hey jdub [02:07] stupid oprofile..grumble grumble === mpt_ [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Oculus [n=oculus@p548D17A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [n=sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [n=sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity [n=adconrad@loki.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:46] weird, I couldn't connect to freenode from one of the servers I'm using. had to switch to the one in .de [02:47] see freenode's news page [02:47] Riddell: I was trying to connect from muse, have you had troubles as well? [02:48] sivang: freenode's news page reveals all [02:48] sivang, everyone has, see freenode's news page [02:49] doesn't make freenode less crap ;) [02:49] yes, reading about the spambots now [02:49] s/^/reading the news page [02:50] ok, I'll retry with chat.f.n [02:50] chat.freenode and irc.freenode are _identical_ from my end... === hunger [n=hunger@p54A617AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] I had to switch to irc.eu.freenode === infinity fails to see how changing the hostname protects against anything... [02:50] (longterm, that is) [02:50] infinity: Lilo-logic [02:51] Treenaks: also from pitti's server, but from muse it's not. odd [02:52] infinity: me as well === sivang_ [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] ok, it worked. [02:54] ah, that's better. === sivang wonders if have imlib2 in dapper [02:59] lifeless: http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/opensync/ [02:59] eh, ECHAN, sort of [03:00] pushing an update to the debian dir [03:00] for the libtool and debhelper deps [03:02] hmm, dapper just hung up on me. [03:03] it's also somewhat slower then it was 2 upgrades ago [03:04] dapper is wicked fast for me [03:04] if completely broken :( [03:04] mdke: cool for you then... [03:05] mdke: what about freezes ? has it went frozen for you yet? [03:05] no [03:06] but I have no browser or help :) [03:06] mdke: ah, well, I'm mostly operational :) [03:06] gues you can't have it all [03:06] lol === BenC_ [n=bcollins@dpc67142247021.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] heh, alsa-source package doesn't install properly [03:13] Setting up alsa-source (1.0.10-2) ... [03:13] dpkg: error processing alsa-source (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127 [03:13] known issue? === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-253-146.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] err, in the new cups world order (dapper), how is the user supposed to let other computers in the network print on his printer? [03:24] siretart: samba? [03:25] Pygi: I mean letting other ubuntu computers print on his printer. not necessarily windows computers === Loevborg [n=loevborg@d3-97.dip.axsp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:27] k, siretart, just a moment pls [03:33] well, I managed doing it by hacking my cupsd.conf, but I cannot imagine thats the way it is supposed to work === thesaltydog [n=fabio@host242-169.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] siretart, IPP ? [03:39] as windows does nowadays [03:39] ogra: well, the default config makes cups only listen on localhost [03:40] ogra: and I only found how to activate Browsing, so I can find printers from other computers, who do activly propagate their printers [03:40] you dont want to listen... you want to share, right ? [03:41] I want the user to be able to have 2 computers, (laptop and workstation) with the printer at the workstation to be able to print from his laptop [03:41] if my father asks me that, I'd like to give him simple instructions [03:41] if i look at my usb printer's settings, its set as IPP network printer with address usb:/dev/usb/lp0 [03:41] as said, I managed it over here with fiddling cupsd.conf, but that cannot be the way to go [03:42] works fine for other network systems, as well as windows === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:42] no need to touch cups configurations at all [03:43] but how can this work? [03:43] I mean, cups listens on localhost by default! === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@c-24-1-248-232.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:44] not if the printer is IPP [03:44] thats what IPP is for ... [03:44] the printer is connected via usb to the workstation [03:44] and on your client, if you switch on browse, it scans for IPP exported printers in the network [03:44] yes === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:45] hm [03:45] but the driver is IPP network printer, with local address usb:/dev/usb/lp0 [03:45] aaah, now I got it.. [03:46] hm. still not that obvious. do we have this documented somewhere? [03:47] i dont think so, but i didnt select anything special ... [03:47] i just plugged in the printer back then and used the offered defaults [03:47] hm [03:47] will test this again, after I upgrade the next machine to dapper [03:48] thanks for explanation === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] btw, the config was made on hoary, i didnt change it since then ... so the defaults might be different today [03:48] (but i doubt tht) [03:48] *that [03:50] hm. interesting === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt_ [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === [g2] [n=Tom@nslu2-linux/g2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C18307.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnnoza@tor/session/x-f64175f22e3166d2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] whos the apt guru? [04:06] lathiat: mvo [04:06] http://bur.st/~lathiat/apt-broken.txt [04:06] minor cosmetic bug [04:06] but interesting [04:06] oh actually ignore me [04:06] reinstalls just plain dont show up === fede2 [n=fede2@nat1.inalambrica.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shinmen [n=shinmen@nat1.inalambrica.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-170-53.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Oculus [n=bastian@p548D17A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tseng [n=tseng@brandonhale.us] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macgyver2 [n=eric@pdpc/supporter/student/macgyver2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:47] is anyone around to approve/deny breezy-updates while mdz and Kamion are away? [04:47] \sh maybe? but he is away now [04:48] he has no power for such stuff === Riddell_ [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:49] ogra, can anyone else, do you know? [04:49] ogra: oh,k [04:49] nope [04:49] ok thanks === lucasvo [n=lucasvo@www.wservices.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:50] mdke, but they should both be back on momday [04:51] ogra, oh awesome, np then [04:51] do unapproved packages in breezy-updates get dropped after a certain time? [04:51] i think they idle in the queue until someoine does [04:52] oh good === frans-th [i=frans-th@61.5.62.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-170-53.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C18307.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.133] has joined #ubuntu-devel === melalcoolique [n=soliste@cim06-1-82-228-241-32.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Oculus [n=bastian@p548D17A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FireRabbit [n=FireRabb@unaffiliated/firerabbit] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:23] slomo: ping? [05:23] shawarma: pong [05:23] slomo: It was you who asked me to look at the libmms soname thing, right? [05:25] shawarma: yes [05:25] It's actually quite funny because they actually put the -version-info on the libtool command line, but left it at 0:0:0.. I looked at the interfaces and they are apparantly compatible, so it's only the age thing that should be fixed. [05:26] AFAICS that's not too important, is it? I'll fix it in CVS for the next release, but is the age part of the soname really very important? === _jason [n=jasonr@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Checksi [i=Checksi@a84-231-151-86.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] hello === melalcoolique [n=soliste@cim06-1-82-228-241-32.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [05:37] shawarma: well... not too important but it would be nice to have it right ;) === tepsipakki [n=tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === greenpenguin13 [n=joseph@user-2725.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@24-116-61-125.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:41] slomo: How did you spot it? [05:42] shawarma: objdump on the library ;) === fabbione looks at slomo === greenpenguin13 [n=joseph@user-2725.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === greenpenguin13 [n=joseph@user-2725.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:43] fabbione? [05:43] slomo: http://buildd.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs/x/xine-lib/1.1.1-0ubuntu4/ [05:43] slomo: look at the sparc failure (46K) [05:44] and fix.. please :) [05:44] give me a sparc to fix it ;) [05:44] you don [05:44] ARGH [05:44] you don't need a sparc to fix it :) [05:45] but i can build attempts to fix :) === PupenoL [n=pupeno@200.123.183.89] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:45] oh right... just a problem with an include... i already feared another assembler mess in ffmpeg ;) [05:46] i'll take a look later... but on monday this problem will move out of xine-lib anyway [05:46] slomo: i am ok with timing :) [05:46] it was just to make you aware of that [05:47] seb128, in a .desktop file, if i have a .xpm and a .png with the same name in .../pixmaps/, which is preferred ? [05:47] png [05:47] seb128, (thinking aout the tuxpaint bug) [05:47] *+about [05:47] is the bug about using xpm? [05:47] i suspect there is something broken with the image === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:47] nope, but tuxpaint ships and installs both [05:47] slomo: ..well, of course, but what made you look in the first place? [05:48] fabbione: it's also ftbfs on ia64 currently... but as ffmpeg/faad will move to another package on monday it will build again there :) but i guess i can fix it after it moved... so many ftbfs to handle lately :( [05:48] shawarma: new upstream version of a library ;) [05:48] seb128, the breakage occurs if you scale it apparently [05:48] i.e. resize the panel [05:48] slomo: You always do an objdump on new libraries? [05:48] slomo: as i said i am not in a hurry :) just be sure that all the splitting you are doing will still allow me to watch DVD :) [05:48] ogra: I though it was about the menu item [05:48] slomo: since xine is my primary source of fun on my tivo box :P [05:48] seb128, which uses a image [05:49] they are not dependant of the panel width [05:49] slomo: and yes.. i am running dapper on that toy :P [05:49] shawarma: yes... when they use 0:0:0 at least ;) [05:50] seb128, if i resize the panel, the image gets scaled ... [05:50] the menu items? [05:50] fabbione: oh nice, someone to test it later :P i don't touch anything dvd related but please report anyway :) [05:50] slomo: But you don't know that until you've done the objdump.. :-/ [05:50] seb128, the bugreporter talks about a menu item he added to the panel [05:50] slomo: did you ever see me being silent? ;) i suggest you get an helmet and dig a bunker.. just in case i decide to poweron the sodomotron :P === mvirkkil [n=mvirkkil@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:51] shawarma: sure... the library is called libfoo.so.0.0.0 ;) === fabbione declares time to install hppa [05:51] fabbione: oh... but be carefull, when you kill me i can't fix anything ;P [05:51] slomo: Oh,right. [05:51] seb128, see comment #6 [05:52] ogra: I don't know this bug, I don't really what you are talking about, let me open it [05:52] I've tried like 10 seconds 3 months ago [05:52] didn't get any crash [05:52] me neither [05:52] but the last comment suspiciosly looks like a graphics problem ... [05:52] obviously you know that the guy change the panel width and that there is 2 icons, that's something :p [05:52] I've not read the comments [05:52] oh, the prelast .. [05:53] I've ~490 unred bug mails atm [05:53] unread [05:53] oh [05:53] mine are all read ... [05:53] but i might have 490 in sum over all releases :) [05:53] I just read when I'm decided to do something on the bug [05:53] I let unread the "must work on" bugs [05:54] ie: I've no idea of this bug and I can't reproduce [05:54] so I let it unread [05:54] the 0xb7ddb4c0 in art_bezier_to_vec () from /usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2 error sounds like a image prob to me [05:56] right [05:57] and since its only one launcher (tuxpaint) i suspect the png is broken ... === jinty [n=jinty@212.145.78.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:57] i'll grab that bug ... so you have one less :) [05:57] ogra: vuntz and lllmanulll are on it, that's why I didn't really bothered [05:57] ok [05:58] I'm not really on it [05:58] so i'll leave it to them .... === pusakat [i=proxy@203.167.88.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:58] ogra is on it :-) [05:58] vuntz, to late, seb128's word rules ;) [05:58] if someone can attach the image file, btw... [05:58] giggles evilish* === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lifeless [n=robertc@dsl-107.131.240.220.lns02-wick-bne.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh [n=carstenh@p54A62AA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robtaylor [n=rob@nat5.sesnet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:47] does there happen to be a dpkg guru around who has 5 minutes to help me unblock my dapper system? [06:48] I'm not a guru but may be able to reply [06:48] why not just asking? :) === fabbione points to #ubuntu [06:48] and topic [06:49] that's why [06:49] bah, according to the chan activity I guess nobody will kick you to ask something === eruin [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:49] feel free to ask on #ubuntu-desktop if you want, we have no issue with a little noise :p === fabbione heads for better activities === nekohayo [n=nekohayo@ip216-239-83-97.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:50] great thanks seb [06:54] anyone else seeing get_netlink_msg errors from udev? [06:54] ENOBUFS error from the recv() call to be exact === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pusakat [i=proxy@203.167.88.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:11] elmo: please sync noteedit, licq, kvdr and packagesearch from debian overwriting ubuntu changes === feclare [n=feclare@174.Red-217-127-200.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-137-99.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:13] seb128: ping? [07:14] LaserJock: pong [07:14] seb128: you marked my yelp bug as a duplicate. #21015 [07:14] seb128: I am still not quite understanding it [07:15] seb128: how come some people see it but others don't [07:15] /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/compreg.dat gets generated by something [07:15] we didn't figure what [07:16] it's not supposed to be created/shipped with 1.5 [07:16] but I have my dapper install and chroot dapper install both dist-upgraded from breezy at about the same time, yet one works and one doesn't [07:16] seems kinda weird to me [07:16] you have probably a difference in the package list [07:17] like a l10n package [07:17] or an extension installed [07:17] or firefox were running during the upgrade for one and not the other [07:17] oh, that's enough to do it ? [07:17] or I don't know [07:17] as said before we didn't figure what's causing it [07:17] wow, that seems hard to figure out [07:17] right [07:17] those are random idea on the topic === jsz_ [n=diego@59.Red-80-36-85.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] ok, I just wanted to get a better idea of what was going on. Is there any info I can give that would help? [07:18] figure what creates the file? :) [07:18] so would firefox extensions do it? [07:19] you can guess from the file timestamp what you did around the time it get generated [07:19] ahh, ok [07:19] I doubt of it because you don't run firefox with sudo usually [07:19] so it should not be able to write this file [07:19] I would bet on something done by a package [07:20] ok, I will try to see what the difference is between my installs [07:20] thank you [07:26] seb128: ok, on the day that the compreg.dat file was created I installed quite a few things but the one that sticks out is that I installed and removed mozilla [07:27] mozilla-browser? === tuhl [n=tuhl@p5498C33D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:27] yes [07:27] when will we get libenchant 1.2 inti Ubuntu? [07:28] well, actually the whole mozilla meta package [07:28] this is necessary for compiling current abiword verisons [07:28] tuhl: when it'll be required :) [07:28] seb128, LaserJock, I don't think I've ever had mozilla-browser installed here [07:28] tuhl: I'll package it tomorrow or monday [07:28] system was pretty much a standard dapper flight 1 [07:28] I've just installed/removed it [07:28] seb128: Requested 'enchant >= 1.2.0' but version of libenchant is 1.1.6 [07:28] doesn't do this [07:29] seb128: thanks [07:29] tuhl: "we" beeing a package of the distro [07:29] I mean [07:29] "it"ll be" = "it'll be by a package" === tuhl [n=tuhl@p5498C33D.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k_ [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Loevborg [n=loevborg@d3-97.dip.axsp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:57] mdke: dpkg -S /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/compreg.dat doesn't give me anything so I'm not sure what would have installed it === ptomes [n=chatzill@chb-84-242-95-26.nat.karneval.cz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-137-99.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:03] pretty sure firefox generates it on first start [08:09] Isn't that a known bug? [08:10] #20183 [08:10] apart from Amaranth being wrong ? [08:10] http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20183 [08:11] ogra@honk:~$ ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/compreg.dat [08:11] ls: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/compreg.dat: No such file or directory [08:11] thats a clean flight 2 with firefox being run several times already [08:12] it must be a leftover from breezy installs ... [08:13] additionally a user that starts firefox has no rights to write to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/, so there is no possibility it creates it on first start [08:13] it could only happen from a package, but then you'd be able to find it somewhere in postinst or in the package itself, which s not the case === _jason [n=jasonr@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Amaranth [n=amaranth@24-116-61-125.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] mine came from a dapper flight 1 install [08:18] must be the old firefox, before 1.5 [08:18] yup [08:18] but there is no trace in the package that anything is related to it [08:19] it's a mystery [08:19] yup === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@130.225.243.71] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lexhider [n=lexhider@ppp76-185.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lexhider [n=lexhider@ppp76-185.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === tambaqui [n=patricia@200-247-68-55-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Got] === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === greenpenguin13 [n=joseph@user-2725.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] elmo: please sync tse3, tellico, swh-plugins, wordtrans, wftk, strutilsxx, and stk from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes. Thanks. [11:40] elmo: please sync libprinterconf from unstable, ubuntu override ok. thx. [11:49] any known xorg crash issues? [11:50] with nvidia [11:59] Tm_T: lots, but you can't change them :D [11:59] hehe [11:59] had two crashes tonight, just wanted to know if there's something to test / reproduce === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-249-87.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel