[02:11] <mdke> ah fuck
[02:11] <mdke> jdub, i can't get the translations working either
[02:11] <mdke> it's kinda crazy tho because I see no reason why they shouldn't work
[02:11] <mdke> perhaps an error in the omf files I'm trying
[04:39] <LaserJock> what's up theCore ?
[04:40] <theCore> some troubles ...
[04:40] <Madpilot> like being gagged in #ubuntu & -offtopic...
[04:41] <theCore> yea like that ... :/
[04:43] <LaserJock> what?
[04:43] <theCore> my little bros taken my session, and spamed the channels
[04:44] <theCore> with stupidity
[04:44] <LaserJock> hmm, bummer
[04:46] <theCore> that destroyed my reputation for sure
[04:46] <LaserJock> well, can't you politly explain?
[04:47] <LaserJock> that should help
[04:48] <theCore> yea, maybe ...
[04:50] <theCore> but, still, now everybody think I have bad security habit ... ;) 
[04:50] <theCore> anyway
[04:51] <Madpilot> theCore: System menu --> Lock Screen - no more dumbass relatives spamming channels, or doing something more dangerous to your computer... :)
[04:53] <theCore> Madpilot, i know ... 
[04:53] <Madpilot> so, do ;)
[04:54] <theCore> i will, for sure
[04:57] <LaserJock> Madpilot: btw, you have to do ESC and the :wq to get out of vim ;-)
[04:57] <LaserJock> or :q! to get out without saving
[04:57] <LaserJock> or :q if nothing has been changed
[04:58] <Madpilot> LaserJock: or just close the damn terminal, and use a sensible editor! :P
[04:58] <LaserJock> lol, that too
[04:58] <LaserJock> I just started using vim not long ago so I am still noobish with it
[04:58] <LaserJock> nano is much easier for simple edits
[04:59] <LaserJock> but I do all my programming and doc writting in vim
[04:59] <Madpilot> for basic config file editing, what does vim do that nano can't?
[04:59] <LaserJock> not much
[04:59] <LaserJock> the only thing I can think of is it is easier to search and replace
[05:00] <LaserJock> if you know how to use it I guess
[05:00] <theCore> Madpilot, highlighting ?
[05:00] <LaserJock> If I write docs where I need to specify an editor I go with nano/pico
[05:00] <robitaille> vi rules!  :)
[05:01] <robitaille> but not user friendly....
[05:01] <Madpilot> robitaille: as I think I demonstrated :)
[05:01] <theCore> it's efficient however
[05:01] <robitaille> I have been using it daily for the last 15 years
[05:02] <LaserJock> I
[05:02] <LaserJock> am still going back and forth between emacs and vim. I like them both
[05:02] <robitaille> very efficient, especially when you are searching for strings in a document
[05:03] <robitaille> I have never been able get the hang of emacs or xemacs;  tried it multiple time, and always came back to vi.
[05:10] <LaserJock> robitaille: I am the opposite, I started with emacs and it is hard for me to get used to vim ;-)
[05:12] <LaserJock> although I am starting to see the light :-)
[05:17] <theCore> LaserJock, any update on the PG ?
[05:19] <LaserJock> hmm, not too much
[05:20] <LaserJock> I am trying to get more -motu support
[05:20] <LaserJock> but they are usually too busy to worry about docs :(
[05:21] <LaserJock> and I am leaving town for Christmas vacation for 2 weeks on Tuesday so I am trying to get stuff done at work before I leave
[05:21] <LaserJock> but I was going to try to fire up the old vim for a bit tonight and see if I can get a little bit done
[05:22] <theCore> cool
[05:23] <theCore> i will try too
[05:37] <LaserJock> theCore: what are you going to work on?
[05:37] <theCore> the examples
[05:38] <LaserJock> got a partiular one in mind?
[05:38] <theCore> the debhelper one
[05:39] <LaserJock> cool
[05:39] <LaserJock> I might try to finish up Getting Started
[05:41] <theCore> in the Getting Started chapter do you cover the tool installation ?
[05:41] <LaserJock> a little bit
[05:42] <LaserJock> I have build-essential, devscripts, and dpkg-dev to start with
[05:42] <theCore> so i need cover it in the examples ?
[05:42] <LaserJock> and then I am going to just this the rest, but I would like to start each example with a list of programs neeeded to complete the example
[05:42] <LaserJock> I think it is more instructive and modular that way
[05:45] <theCore> LaserJock, yep, i like the idea
[05:46] <theCore> then we just need to put a small box labelled "Dependencies" or something like that
[05:49] <LaserJock> right
[05:49] <LaserJock> maybe "Before You Begin"
[05:53] <theCore> or maybe "What you need"
[06:08] <LaserJock> If you did "Before You Begin" you could also say something like "Review the Simple Packaging Walkthrough section of Getting Started and install the following programs: "
[06:12] <theCore> lol
[06:12] <theCore> it's kinda long for nothing
[06:14] <theCore> i was thinking about something similar to the LFS headers: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter05/coreutils.html
[06:14] <LaserJock> well, say somebody wants to know about using debhelper, they will naturally skip to the debhelper example so we need to make sure they are aware of what they need to know before starting the example
[06:15] <LaserJock> that might be cool
[06:15] <LaserJock> but we need examples to work on before we can worry about this stuff too much ;-)
[06:15] <theCore> we could put links too
[06:16] <theCore> yea
[06:16] <LaserJock> the only thing I think we should keep in mind is that a lot of people would probably not read this linearly
[06:16] <LaserJock> at least if it is as long as I think it is going to be
[06:17] <theCore> i will do my example on a LiveCD, so i will be sure they works
[06:17] <LaserJock> we need to make sure people can enter at each example and know what they need to do to get up to speed on that for that example
[06:17] <LaserJock> hmm, good idea actually. that would be a good way to test
[06:18] <theCore> LaserJock, we to make it short too, we don't clutter the page for peoples who have already install all the needed packages
[06:18] <theCore> s/we/we don't/
[06:19] <theCore> oups , s/we don't/we don't want to/
[06:19] <LaserJock> right, that is why a box, or header like that LFS page would be good
[06:20] <LaserJock> just links to stuff, not actuall content so much
[06:22] <theCore> we could make one `installation' page a put all the install stuff there
[06:23] <LaserJock> but I want to seperate out what needs to be installed for each example
[06:23] <LaserJock> for instance, you don't need debhelper for the first example
[06:26] <theCore> sure, that is why we need to use some header with links to the proper packages
[06:27] <theCore> like Require section of the BLFS: http://tlgp.sourceforge.net/blfs-book-6.1-html/gnome/libgnome.html
[06:33] <LaserJock> theCore: I know, the are pretty cool
[06:33] <LaserJock> I had never seen them before you showed them to me
[06:34] <LaserJock> ok, let me whip of a quick example of what I am talking about
[06:52] <LaserJock> theCore: ok, check out the Packaging Scenarios section at http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/
[06:55] <theCore> well, it isn't what I was think but it's okay ... 
[06:56] <shadeofgrey> ah - excellent.. people here!
[06:56] <shadeofgrey> hi!
[06:56] <theCore> shadeofgrey, hello
[06:56] <LaserJock> hi
[06:56] <shadeofgrey> im Chris - friends and family call me gimp - and your all welcome to.  Id like to lend a hand
[06:56] <LaserJock> theCore: how would you change it then?
[06:57] <shadeofgrey> writing is my life, so, if youd like for me to help with docs im more than happy
[06:57] <shadeofgrey> to...
[06:57] <LaserJock> shadeofgrey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam is the wiki entry point for the doc-team
[06:58] <LaserJock> you can also check out doc.ubuntu.com
[06:58] <shadeofgrey> okay
[06:58] <shadeofgrey> so step one is learn the tools
[06:59] <shadeofgrey> do i need to install anything through synaptic or something?  or are they browser based tools?
[06:59] <LaserJock> do you know HTML or Docbook XML?
[06:59] <Madpilot> shadeofgrey: Bluefish does Docbook (Screem might too, haven't checked)
[06:59] <shadeofgrey> i'm dreamweaver proficient, which means my html knowledge is...  decent.  XML is totally new to me
[06:59] <shadeofgrey> bluefish is a program?
[07:00] <Madpilot> it's an HTML/etc editor
[07:00] <LaserJock> ok, well docbook isn't too bad if you know HTML
[07:00] <shadeofgrey> which is best?
[07:00] <theCore> LaserJock, i would make a direct link to install info on the require tool name
[07:00] <Madpilot> which what is best?
[07:00] <theCore> shadeofgrey, it depend of your style, i like blufish
[07:00] <shadeofgrey> Bluefish or Screem?
[07:00] <LaserJock> theCore: but that shouldn't be necessary, all they need is the name I think
[07:01] <shadeofgrey> okay bluefish it is then.
[07:01] <Madpilot> I know Bluefish does DocBook, I haven't checked Screem - but I assume it does. They're both good programs
[07:01] <LaserJock> I would install xsltproc and  docbook-xsl
[07:02] <theCore> LaserJock, like that, we could short the ``requirement'' to one line
[07:02] <LaserJock> and check out the doc-team svn repository at by checking out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepRepository
[07:02] <shadeofgrey> i also have nvu installed
[07:02] <theCore> LaserJock, Required tools: automake gnupg lintian
[07:02] <Madpilot> I doubt Nvu would do DocBook, shadeofgrey
[07:03] <Madpilot> shadeofgrey: have you joined the doc mailing list?
[07:03] <theCore> LaserJock, and make the name link a # link on the install page ( like #lintian )
[07:04] <shadeofgrey> no i havent joined the mailing list
[07:04] <shadeofgrey> but i just got bluefish installed
[07:04] <LaserJock> theCore: hmm, maybe I don't want to have a ton of links to one liners though
[07:04] <Madpilot> shadeofgrey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamCommunications
[07:04] <theCore> LaserJock, it wouldn't be a ton
[07:05] <theCore> LaserJock, most scenarios would take 3 up to 6 tools
[07:05] <LaserJock> theCore: Well linking to something that is only a line or two is not good I think. Probably better to link to the section
[07:05] <LaserJock> theCore: but that is just a small thing. I think we have the general idea down
[07:06] <theCore> LaserJock, okay
[07:06] <shadeofgrey> do i need to leave my last name too
[07:06] <shadeofgrey> i dont mind
[07:06] <theCore> anyway, i need to go bed
[07:06] <theCore> cya later
[07:06] <LaserJock> theCore: we can deal with that more when we have a better idea of what we need exactly
[07:06] <LaserJock> theCore: me too cya
[07:07] <Madpilot> shadeofgrey: send an email to the list introducing yourself
[07:07] <shadeofgrey> okay
[07:07] <LaserJock> shadeofgrey: maybe include some of your interests in the doc team, maybe projects you are interested in
[07:08] <Madpilot> I've got to go, I actually need to shut this machine down to change something :(
[07:08] <shadeofgrey> can somebody please paste a link that helps explain how to properly use bluefish
[07:08] <Madpilot> back later
[07:08] <LaserJock> cya Madpilot 
[07:08] <shadeofgrey> ..the interface is intimidating
[07:08] <shadeofgrey> okay...  firsty things first lemme go write that email
[07:08] <shadeofgrey> brb
[07:08] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't. I don't use it so I can't help you much there
[07:09] <shadeofgrey> okay well
[07:09] <shadeofgrey> which program do a majority of you use?
[07:09] <shadeofgrey> id rather not be in the minority if i can help it
[07:09] <LaserJock> probably bluefish or just gedit
[07:09] <LaserJock> it really doesn't matter
[07:09] <LaserJock> you could use notepad for all we care
[07:10] <LaserJock> it is just what you find to be the most useful
[07:10] <shadeofgrey> okay well
[07:10] <shadeofgrey> all id like are instructions on how to best use bluefish to better the docteam
[07:10] <LaserJock> bluefish has got some good stuff because it has lists of XML tags in the toolbar
[07:10] <shadeofgrey> so
[07:10] <shadeofgrey> we arent just writing
[07:11] <shadeofgrey> we're creating xml compliant pages that contain our writing
[07:11] <shadeofgrey> okay im with you.
[07:11] <LaserJock> actually, you might try getting the docs from the svn repo and opening up them yourself
[07:11] <shadeofgrey> lemme write the email first
[07:11] <shadeofgrey> be back in a few minutes
[07:11] <LaserJock> well, most of the docs will be shipped in Ubuntu so they can be read in gnome-help 
[07:12] <LaserJock> and it renders Docbook and HTML and we can create HTML from the Docbook
[07:13] <shadeofgrey> okay im dsigning up on the docteam info page
[07:13] <shadeofgrey> do i want everything as a digest?
[07:13] <LaserJock> hmm, probably not
[07:14] <LaserJock> there aren't that many emails so it is nice to get them when they get sent rather than waiting around for the digest
[07:14] <shadeofgrey> oh
[07:14] <shadeofgrey> i chose digest
[07:14] <shadeofgrey> LOL
[07:15] <shadeofgrey> okay lemme write my introduction and ill go back and change that in a second
[07:15] <shadeofgrey> by the wy does it matter that i onlyspeakj english?
[07:15] <shadeofgrey> i didnt make that clear before
[07:16] <LaserJock> I only speak English, so I hope not
[07:16] <shadeofgrey> well...  good english and very profane english to be specific
[07:16] <shadeofgrey> by theway
[07:16] <shadeofgrey> most oif my work will probably be pretty slow compared to other people
[07:17] <LaserJock> well, try to minimize the profane part since we should adhear to the Code of Conduct ;-)
[07:17] <shadeofgrey> im very severely handicapped and can only type with three fingers on my left hand
[07:17] <LaserJock> hmm, well I don't think it is so much the number of fingers as the brain running them ;-)
[07:17] <shadeofgrey> i can push 70 words a minute if im not drunk and its really important but that takes serious effort and a few painkillers
[07:18] <shadeofgrey> but thats the one goood thing about being gimp and american
[07:18] <shadeofgrey> the drugs are really good
[07:18] <shadeofgrey> they cost the other poor taxzpayers a bundle
[07:18] <LaserJock> I don't think speed will be an issue, we just do what we can.
[07:18] <shadeofgrey> i get to kill my liver nd kidneys absolutely scott free
[07:18] <LaserJock> lol
[07:19] <shadeofgrey> i have a very healthy somewhat demented sense of humor buy theway
[07:19] <LaserJock> well, many of us do too
[07:19] <shadeofgrey> my hope is that i inspire people to live their lives more cognisant of the fact tahtthere are thoseof us out there that cant get the simple stuff
[07:19] <shadeofgrey> like tying shoes
[07:19] <shadeofgrey> 'and walking
[07:20] <shadeofgrey> running
[07:20] <shadeofgrey> that sort of thing
[07:20] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:20] <shadeofgrey> because unless someboey does something really drastic really soon i probably wont do any of those in my lifetime
[07:20] <shadeofgrey> which wouldnt bother me as much if i got laid regularly
[07:21] <LaserJock> ok, well I gotta get to bed. It is nice to meet you gimp.
[07:21] <shadeofgrey> pleasures all mine jock
[07:21] <shadeofgrey> catcha later
[07:21] <LaserJock> I will probably be around here tomorrow
[07:21] <shadeofgrey> yeah ill probably begone after i write my email
[07:21] <shadeofgrey> its almosy 2 am
[07:21] <LaserJock> and just remember to check out the wiki and such
[07:21] <shadeofgrey> i will i promise
[07:21] <LaserJock> cya
[07:22] <shadeofgrey> anybody else here alive and down to conversate?
[07:33] <shadeofgrey> guess not
[07:34] <jsgotangco> hey
[07:39] <Madpilot> back...
[07:45] <jsgotangco> hey
[07:46] <Madpilot> had to reconfigure IRC to get back... irc.freenode.net isn't working right now...
[07:46] <jsgotangco> same here
[07:46] <jsgotangco> had to change it to chat.i.n
[07:46] <Madpilot> yeah
[07:46] <jsgotangco> damn spambots
[07:46] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:51] <Madpilot> meh... no actual time announced yet for the CC Meeting on the 20th...
[02:02] <mdke> or rather, hey jdub 
[02:02] <rob1> hi mdke 
[02:02] <mdke> ello
[02:03] <mdke> how are you?
[02:03] <rob1> not too bad, yourself?
[02:05] <mdke> good, thanks
[04:17] <KingBahamut> anyone alive?
[04:26] <mdke> KingBahamut, yes
[04:26] <KingBahamut> just checkin
[04:26] <KingBahamut> bad morning here
[04:26] <mdke> ah right
[04:26] <KingBahamut> and you?
[04:27] <mdke> a lazy saturday
[04:27] <KingBahamut> I havent gotten that far
[04:28] <KingBahamut> found myself in a bottle of Lagavulin 25 last night
[04:28] <KingBahamut> lol
[04:28] <mdke> sounds dangerous
[04:28] <KingBahamut> Scotch clouds the mind
[04:28] <KingBahamut> lol
[05:05] <jsgotangco> jdub, ping?
[07:06] <mdke> teroedni, could you turn off public away notices pls?
[07:07] <teroedni> sorry i trying to find out how to do it
[07:07] <mdke> k thanks
[08:30] <KingBahamut> mdke you round?
[08:30] <KingBahamut> or anyone for that matter?
[09:10] <mdke> KingBahamut, yeah briefly, sup?