[12:00] <Chousuke> some drivers exist already. I was just told this on -offtopic
[12:00] <mfarquhar> you're set to go
[12:00] <{alejandro}> puff for old laptops with the old airport cards it is fine since there are open source drivers
[12:00] <Chousuke> need manual compiling though
[12:00] <{alejandro}> really
[12:00] <{alejandro}> huh
[12:01] <{alejandro}> honestly, on a mac, I would wanna install netbsd
[12:01] <{alejandro}> because that has binary compatibility with darwin
[12:01] <{alejandro}> if you wanted to you could hack the aqua interface overtop it
[12:01] <{alejandro}> it would take work but it is theoretically possible
[12:02] <{alejandro}> Chousuke where are these drivers you speak of
[12:03] <nickrud> lilg, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html
[12:03] <lilg> thanks
[12:03] <Chousuke> alexissoft: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/
[12:03] <Chousuke> eh
[12:03] <Chousuke> {alejandro}: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ even
[12:03] <alexissoft> Chousuke, thanks, but i've no bcm43xx :)
[12:04] <Chousuke> alexissoft: never mind :P
[12:04] <nickrud> lilg, the only difference really is instead of lilo, use grub-install
[12:04] <puff> {alejandro}: Thanks... I think I'm going to recommend that he dual-boot and install OSX and something else, and try both out.. mainly he just wants shell/emacs/grep and java development.
[12:04] <{alejandro}> oh, dude
[12:04] <{alejandro}> mac os x has great java
[12:04] <{alejandro}> and bsd subsystem
[12:04] <{alejandro}> with emacs
[12:05] <lilg> nickrud thanks, the 2 hard drives are in compledly diffrent machines one laptop one desktop would it work?
[12:05] <{alejandro}> you can use x11 on it too
[12:05] <zparta> is there anyway to get 2.6.13 kernel in ubuntu ?
[12:05] <Seveas> no
[12:05] <bulio> if I have a router
[12:05] <zparta> without the source that is
[12:05] <nickrud> lilg, well, if you can mount the laptop in the desktop it would be easier
[12:05] <{alejandro}> I would reccommend he try out osx on its own first puff
[12:05] <bulio> am I supposed to use pppoeconf?
[12:05] <Jormundgand> zparta: I think Dapper has it.
[12:05] <nickrud> *disk
[12:05] <zparta> dapper ?
[12:05] <Seveas> Jormundgand, dapper has .15
[12:05] <Jormundgand> Ah.
[12:05] <bulio> dapper drake
[12:05] <zparta> <-- new to ubuntu :)
[12:06] <lilg> nickrud, will try that
[12:06] <nickrud> lilg, but otherwise, I not the one with the answer on any networking stuff
[12:06] <gleesond> I just installed kde on my box that had the normal ubuntu on it.... I can seem to get the file browser to work... also I cant change the window boarder in the styles section because there is no place to..... can any one help?
[12:06] <lilg> its horrible because my dvd drive doesent work
[12:06] <lilg> well it only reads the firs 10 meg of data :)
[12:07] <{alejandro}> gleesond, try control-center
[12:07] <zparta> will i have to reinstall to get 2.6.13+ ?
[12:07] <{alejandro}> from the menu
[12:07] <{alejandro}> oh wait
[12:07] <gleesond> I did but the functionality isn't there to change the boarder
[12:08] <{alejandro}> window decoration
[12:08] <{alejandro}> style
[12:08] <{alejandro}> those two are the ones you might wanna mess with
[12:08] <puff> {alejandro}: Yeah, basically I'm recommending that he try OSX, based on just his requirements... if he *wants* to experiement with linux as well as OSX, I'd recommend dual-booting (as long as it's possible to set it up with some sort of shared data partition).
[12:08] <lilg> a screw it i will just have to buy a cd drive
[12:08] <bulio> how do I configure DHCP in ubuntu?
[12:08] <gleesond> there is no window decoration menue
[12:08] <puff> Yet once again, thanks to all for the valuable advice.
[12:08] <gleesond> thats the problem
[12:08] <{alejandro}> puff dual booting requires yaboot, which I have had some bad experiences with
[12:08] <{alejandro}> but try it
[12:08] <hendrix_> hey
[12:08] <nickrud> lilg, sometimes throwing money at a problem works :)
[12:09] <gleesond> I installed the kubuntu desktop
[12:09] <bulio> how do I configure DHCP in ubuntu?
[12:09] <lilg> nickrud: i figured that, if i installed any other distro i'd have the same problem
[12:09] <lilg> bulio: have you googled it?
[12:09] <hendrix_> i installed nessus with apt-get install nessus and it installed a bunch of other things.. now i want to uninstall but it only uninstalled "nesses" is there a easy way to uninstall everything that came with the nessus package???
[12:09] <grayman> sometimes having minions with money is helpfull too
[12:10] <xulin> hi !
[12:10] <bulio> yes
[12:10] <hendrix_> nesses=nessus
[12:10] <lilg> any results
[12:10] <gleesond> is konkorer the file browser? if so everytime I try to go to my dirs it opens nautilus
[12:10] <xulin> i want to write with gnomebaker a 4.1Go file .. but it skip the file :/ too big :/ any solution ?
[12:10] <wim> isn't konqueror only for kubuntu?
[12:10] <{alejandro}> gleesond are you using shortcuts
[12:11] <{alejandro}> gleesond gnome shortcuts use nautilus
[12:11] <{alejandro}> delete them
[12:11] <hendrix_> wim, u can use konq with any window manager.. just make sure u have the right libs
[12:11] <gleesond> sim links
[12:11] <hendrix_> k-libs or whatever they are called
[12:11] <{alejandro}> gleesond they are not true symlinks
[12:11] <hendrix_> im guessing there is a gubuntu too?
[12:11] <grayman> gubuntu?
[12:11] <wim> ubuntu is gubuntu
[12:11] <grayman> lolol
[12:11] <{alejandro}> gleesond they are really launchers taht say "nautilus (dir)"
[12:11] <hendrix_> :P
[12:11] <grayman> nice name
[12:12] <bulio> ok, now how do I disable pppoeconf?
[12:12] <hendrix_> yeah, if u pay me u can use it too ;)
[12:12] <gleesond> but I cant even get to / in konkorer
[12:12] <hendrix_> keep the royalties comming my way please
[12:12] <gleesond> I type any path and it opens nautilus
[12:13] <nickrud> gleesond, are you sure you are running kde?
[12:13] <{alejandro}> open file browser from the kdemenu
[12:13] <{alejandro}> or logout
[12:13] <{alejandro}> and in kdm or gdm pick a kde session
[12:13] <{alejandro}> that will make it work fo
[12:13] <{alejandro}> sho
[12:13] <gleesond> ok I'll try
[12:14] <pramz> anyone good at configuring chrooted bind ?
[12:15] <hendrix_> i installed nessus with apt-get install nessus and it installed a bunch of other things.. now i want to uninstall but it (apt-get uninstall nessus) only uninstalled "nessus" is there a easy way to uninstall everything that came with the nessus package???
[12:16] <xulin> "mkisofs: Value too large for defined data type. File /tmp/bigfile is too large - ignoring"
[12:16] <xulin> could somebody help me ! .. ^ :s
[12:18] <nickrud> hendrix_, there's debfoster, it can do that. Better, next time use aptitude to install something like nessus, it will track those dependencies and remove them for you
[12:18] <{alejandro}> hendrix you can use synaptic and see the required packages if you right click
[12:18] <{alejandro}> (on nessus_
[12:18] <{alejandro}> and then remove those
[12:18] <hendrix_> i havent installed X.. only shell
[12:18] <{alejandro}> ah ok
[12:19] <{alejandro}> I am gonna go with nickrud then. aptitude for life
[12:19] <nickrud> hendrix_, aptitude can be run interactively, and will do as {alejandro} mentioned synaptic does.
[12:19] <hendrix_> ahaa ok then! :)
[12:19] <nickrud> as someone told me, synaptic has aptitude :)
[12:19] <hendrix_> but.. :) .. what am i looking for?
[12:20] <ardchoille> I am looking to buy an LCD panel monitor. Are there any brands I should steer clear of, or do they all work?
[12:20] <{alejandro}> nessus
[12:20] <nickrud> hendrix_, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptitudeSurvivalGuide has a quick reference to aptitude. Experiment with that a bit.
[12:20] <skon> By default the kdebase package is installed along with KDE apps, but does that mean I can log into KDE by default?
[12:20] <{alejandro}> ardchoille, I would look for features
[12:21] <{alejandro}> digital is becoming more popular these days
[12:21] <ardchoille> ah, good point
[12:23] <hendrix_> nessus isnt anywhere to be found there.. only things like lib-nessus.. :(
[12:24] <hendrix_> a friend helped me another time, i went in to some kinda cache, and listed the dependencies there (with dpkg) and then uninstalled.. that worked.. he isnt home so i cant ask him..
[12:25] <nickrud> hendrix_, nessus is there, for sure
[12:25] <hendrix_> nickrud, even if i uninstalled it?
[12:26] <nickrud> hendrix_, yes, it shows all packages, installed and uninstalled
[12:26] <hendrix_> this is what i did.. aptitude->search->nessus-> only libnessus
[12:27] <skon>  By default the kdebase package is installed along with KDE apps, but does that mean I can log into KDE by default?
[12:27] <nickrud> hendrix_, hit the \ key, it will go to the next package with nessus in the name
[12:29] <hendrix_> im on a swedish keyboard.. and if i want backslask i have to press alt+"=" (without quotes).. so pressing backslash doesnt do anything for me.. ? :/
[12:30] <nickrud> hendrix_, forward slash, but I have no idea where that would be on a swedish keyboard either
[12:30] <lilg> can i get an external dvd rom drive to install linux on my hard drive?
[12:31] <hendrix_> -> /=forward slash right???
[12:31] <DRK13> JA
[12:32] <hendrix_> forward slash brings up the search box
[12:32] <nickrud> hendrix_, then, it's the other slash, sorry :)
[12:32] <hendrix_> hehe
[12:32] <hendrix_> and the other slash (backslash) doesnt do anything.. hmm..
[12:32] <kangpeh> hey
[12:33] <kangpeh> how do i remove gnome from my ubuntu install, i have grown fond of KDE lately o.o;
[12:33] <kangpeh> after i heard mark shuttleworth uses kde
[12:33] <cmatheson> kangpeh: aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop (or use synatpic or whatever)
[12:33] <{alejandro}> seep
[12:33] <{alejandro}> sheep
[12:33] <hendrix_> hmm.. now it did.. im sooos orry!!!!
[12:33] <nickrud> hendrix_, then try l instead of forwardslash, and enter nessus. that will display only the packages with nessus in the name
[12:33] <kangpeh> cmatheson:  will that destroy functionality for mad shit
[12:33] <{alejandro}> and install the kubuntu usplash
[12:33] <kangpeh> that i need
[12:34] <kangpeh> cmatheson:  i.e., like evolution, gaim, and so forth.
[12:34] <{alejandro}> kangpeh possibly
[12:34] <{alejandro}> kangpeh you can remove the gnome desktop packages too
[12:34] <kangpeh> cmatheson:  also how do i get korena input on my kde
[12:34] <hendrix_> ok nickrud, now i have what u told me.. nessus (greyd), nessus-plugins (green) and nessusd (green)
[12:34] <cmatheson> kangpeh: yeah, that will remove most of that stuff
[12:34] <cmatheson> kangpeh: i don't know what korena is
[12:34] <kangpeh> how do i remove just gnome, but not gtk
[12:34] <{alejandro}> kangpeh and nautilus and metacity
[12:34] <kangpeh> korean*
[12:34] <kangpeh> it is a language
[12:34] <cmatheson> kangpeh: well, you're going to need the gnome-libs for evolution and all that
[12:35] <kangpeh> i just dont all the clutter
[12:35] <cmatheson> kangpeh: but to get rid of a lot of that crap you're just going to have to go through one-by-one... just nautilus, gnome-panel, etc.
[12:35] <kangpeh> in my kde menus
[12:35] <kangpeh> aggh
[12:35] <kangpeh> :(
[12:35] <jahshua> hey if i dl the install .iso file, will it partition my hd for me when i run it? im on xp right now
[12:35] <kakei> hi,any one play Nexuiz?
[12:35] <{alejandro}> Kangpeh if you don't use aptitude to remove it ubuntu-desktop is an empty package
[12:36] <cmatheson> {alejandro}: i don't think he wants to remove ubuntu-desktop actually... he wants to keep a bunch of the apps
[12:36] <{alejandro}> right
[12:36] <{alejandro}> but he needs to remove that package
[12:36] <cmatheson> {alejandro}: oh ok yeah
[12:36] <{alejandro}> because otherwise he will wind up reinstalling them come update time
[12:36] <bulio|lap> I need help with router
[12:36] <dooglus> jahshua: it will if there are absolutely no errors on your existing windows partition.
[12:36] <kangpeh> mad confused yo
[12:36] <kangpeh> im mad confused
[12:36] <bulio|lap> look
[12:36] <bulio|lap> I have a router
[12:37] <jahshua> whats an example of an error
[12:37] <{alejandro}> ok kangpeh
[12:37] <bulio|lap> Ubuntu----Ethernet----Router---Wireless---Laptop+other desktop
[12:37] <{alejandro}> do you know how gnome owrks
[12:37] <dooglus> jahshua: it's worth running "chkdsk/f" from windows first - that finds and fixes NTFS errors
[12:37] <bulio|lap> before, I would run pppoeconf, and it worked through the router
 but never recognized the network
[12:37] <kakei> any one can explain to me why i'm getting only 11FPS / 12FPS on glxgears my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/467239
[12:37] <nickrud> hendrix_, mark all the nessus packages for removal  (hit the minus sign on each package)
[12:37] <{alejandro}> a good idea is to open synaptic and start removing gnome packages one by one but leaving the libraries and some of the apps
[12:37] <jahshua> do i run that in dos prompt ?
[12:37] <dooglus> jahshua: yes
[12:37] <cmatheson> kakei: could you paste the output from X too?
[12:38] <kangpeh> alejandro
[12:38] <kangpeh> ahh
[12:38] <hendrix_> nickrud, ok and then press G?
[12:38] <kangpeh> mad hard :(
[12:38] <kangpeh> alejandro
[12:38] <kangpeh> i wish there was an easier way
[12:38] <kangpeh> :/
[12:38] <nickrud> hendrix_, yes
[12:38] <kangpeh> oh wellllz
[12:38] <{alejandro}> kangpeh, I will make a list for you
[12:38] <{alejandro}> hold on
[12:38] <dooglus> jahshua: I wasted about a week trying to get the ubuntu installer to resize my NTFS partition.  it wouldn't do it, but wouldn't tell me why either.  turned out "chkdsk/f" was needed first.
[12:39] <kakei> cmatheson X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[12:39] <kangpeh> aljenadro: yes sir
[12:39] <cmatheson> kakei: er, i mean post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:40] <kakei> http://pastebin.com/467254
[12:40] <jahshua> d:\documents and settings\owner>chkdsk/f the type of file system is ntfs. cannot lock current drive. chkdsk cannot run because the volume is in use by another process. would you like to schedule this volume to be checked next time the system restarts? yes/no ??
[12:40] <jahshua> thats what i got
[12:41] <hendrix_> nickrud, is there a way to se what was done.. do confirm?
[12:41] <hendrix_> *to
[12:42] <{alejandro}> kangpeh, do you need to get rid of gnome to save space
[12:42] <nickrud> hendrix_, you need to hit g twice: the first time brings up a view that shows what will be installed and uninstalled, the second g actually executes.
[12:42] <cmatheson> kakei: hmm, everything looks ok... glxgears doesn't run crazy fast anymore like it used to (or at least it doesn't for me w/ my geforce4mx).  have you tried running anything a bit more substantail like games or xscreensaver-gl stuff? (they all work very smooth for me)
[12:43] <{alejandro}> kangpeh never mind I have to go
[12:43] <{alejandro}> sorry
[12:43] <kakei> cmatheson i have try to run Nexuiz but i get only 18FPS that's sad
[12:44] <cmatheson> kakei: hmm, that is weird.  if you type 'glxinfo | less' and read through that, what does it look like?
[12:44] <cmatheson> kakei: is DRI enabled?  are there many caveats?
[12:45] <kakei> http://pastebin.com/467258
[12:46] <cmatheson> kakei: what about at the bottom where it lists your cards features and if they're slow or not
[12:46] <hendrix_> nickrud, ok.. selected the pkgs uninstalled.. a bunch of text passed by.. but i think something got broken (the webserver).. crap.. shouldnt do theese things so late
[12:46] <kakei> cmatheson which bottom?
[12:47] <jahshua> dooglus
[12:47] <dooglus> yo
[12:47] <jahshua>  d:\documents and settings\owner>chkdsk/f the type of file system is ntfs. cannot lock current drive. chkdsk cannot run because the volume is in use by another process. would you like to schedule this volume to be checked next time the system restarts? yes/no ??
[12:47] <jahshua> [23:40]  <nesta> thats what i got
[12:47] <dooglus> jahshua: say yes
[12:47] <jahshua> k
[12:47] <dooglus> jahshua: then reboot
[12:47] <zparta> what package do i need to install make-kpkg ?
[12:47] <nickrud> hendrix_, aptitude keeps a log of what it did in /var/log/aptitude, you can check there
[12:47] <jahshua> ok
[12:47] <jahshua> then what will happen
[12:47] <hendrix_> ok thanks nickrud!
[12:47] <dooglus> it will check the disk and fix any errors
[12:48] <waran> I want Ubuntu 7 to be called "Breezy Butcher". How can I suggest this?
[12:48] <cmatheson> kakei: well generally when you run glxinfo at the bottom it usually it has a bunch of hex addresses and caveats and what not
[12:48] <dooglus> well - that's what it did for me
[12:48] <nickrud> hendrix_, I wouldn't have really recommended this, if that check wasn't there ;)
[12:48] <jahshua> ok
[12:48] <dooglus> jahshua: it's like a 'scandisk' but it works better.
[12:48] <hendrix_> nickrud, hehe
[12:48] <jahshua> but it will check my d: drive yeh?
[12:48] <jahshua> my c: drive only has 100mb space on it
[12:48] <dooglus> jahshua: I tried "scandisk" a few times, but it neither detected nor fixed the problem
[12:48] <jahshua> i reformatted awhile back
[12:48] <roughtrader> shit I have to go to a stupid company holiday party tonight
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> waran,  I want Ubuntu7 to be called "CheckTheFAQFirst Ferret"
[12:48] <jahshua> and i attempted to reformat
[12:48] <jahshua> heh
[12:48] <hendrix_> can i paste to u what it did.. its about 20lines?
[12:48] <roughtrader> I hate these functions
[12:48] <hendrix_> nickrud
[12:48] <kakei> cmatheson which bottom? hehe
[12:48] <nickrud> zparta, kernel-package
[12:49] <nickrud> hendrix_,
[12:49] <zparta> ok
[12:49] <dooglus> jahshua: oh, I don't know.  you have NTFS partitions on both C: and D:?
[12:49] <zparta> thanks
[12:49] <cmatheson> kakei: is that all it outputs?
[12:49] <jahshua> i think so
[12:49] <waran> Dr_Willis: Isn't that a little bit too long?
[12:49] <dooglus> jahshua: try running "chkdsk /?" - it should show you the available options
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> waran,  but it would save soooo much time in here. :P
[12:49] <dooglus> jahshua: I guess you should be able to tell it to scan D:
[12:49] <waran> mhh
[12:49] <rickest> any easy way to boot a LiveCD directly into non-X console (w/o rebuilding the CD itself)?
[12:49] <kakei> cmatheson ernm no
[12:50] <dooglus> rickest: can't you just ctrl-alt-F1 ?
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> rickest,  you can get to the console with alt-ctrl-f1.. or theres a boot option you can give the live cd kernel to do that I belive.
[12:50] <rickest> dooglus, yes but it takes about five times longer to boot and usually I'm just trying to get access to fdisk
[12:50] <bulio> can someone please help me with router?
[12:50] <cmatheson> kakei: that's really really weird
[12:50] <bulio> Ubuntu isnt going on the net anymore
[12:50] <rickest> Dr_Willis, that option is what I'm looking for, have reaad the F1-F10 help pages and coulen't find anything. thanks
[12:50] <bulio> even though I choose DHCP
[12:50] <dooglus> rickest: if you boot from the install CD instead of the live CD, it gets to a state where you can ctl-alt-F2 very quickly
[12:50] <kangpeh> doh
[12:51] <DRK13> WHAT  bulio
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> rickest,  most all the live cd's have some sort of 'magic' options documented somewhere.. it maybe on the cd in a file.
[12:51] <DRK13> where is Arnold?
[12:51] <rickest> Dr_Willis, I'll check the CD again, thanks.  currently using a Gentoo livecd for this purpose because it's console-only but would prefer to switch to ubuntu. thanks again
[12:51] <cmatheson> kakei: ever since my first 3d card (voodoo3), i've always had that list of card attributes under it... what kind of card are you running?
[12:51] <dooglus> tritium: virtual console 1 is used by the installer
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> rickest,  I lke the DSL live cd. :P
[12:52] <boldstrike> question: can i install ubuntu from the live CD?
[12:52] <dooglus> boldstrike: answer: no
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> rickest,  wolvix is an interesting live cd as well.
[12:52] <Jormundgand> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=104714 - could I get some input?
[12:52] <rickest> dooglus, I think it's just Alt-F2 with the install CD rather than c-a-F2 but that's not a full shell.  will have to see if mount, fdisk, etc ., are accessible there
[12:52] <cmatheson> boldstrike: not yet
[12:52] <tritium> dooglus: even on installed systems, people still seem to prefer 2
[12:52] <boldstrike> dooglus: arg
[12:52] <kakei> cmatheson 6600GT
[12:52] <rickest> Dr_Willis, haven't heard of it, will check it out.  quick synopsis of its advantages/curiosities?
[12:52] <dooglus> tritium: it's closer to f7 I guess - so you don't have to move your fingers so far to get back to X?
[12:53] <Seveas> dooglus, then why not 6?
[12:53] <cmatheson> kakei: hmm, that should be better than my geforce4 right?
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> rickest,  theres a game version with lots of games....
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> rickest,  :P
[12:53] <kakei> cmatheson right.
[12:53] <boldstrike> dooglus: so i need to download and burn a separate install cd
[12:53] <rickest> Dr_Willis, ahh, now we're talking!  :)
[12:53] <dooglus> rickest: "mount" is available from there
[12:53] <cmatheson> kakei: are you using  the default kernel agp stuff, or the nvidia agp driver?
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> rickest,  and it has the latest XFCE to play with.
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> rickest,  and it boots to the console by default.
[12:53] <dooglus> boldstrike: it's not impossible to install from the live CD, but it's far from easy
[12:53] <rickest> Dr_Willis, sounds like the medicine I'm looking for, thanks
[12:54] <kakei> cmatheson it's PCI-E
[12:54] <dooglus> Seveas: some people disable 4, 5 and 6 to free up some memory?
[12:54] <kakei> cmatheson and i using the nvidia driver
[12:54] <boldstrike> dooglus: and there's no boot disk that is available to use the cd for installation?
[12:54] <cmatheson> kakei: oh... hmm... i'm clueless i'm sorry.  never run into this before... if dri is enabled everything should be pretty good to go
[12:55] <kakei> cmatheson :(
[12:55] <dooglus> boldstrike: when I first started using ubuntu I downloaded the live CD thinking it was a "try it, and if you like it, install it" kind of a deal.  but I ended up downloading a 2nd image to install it.
[12:55] <boldstrike> dooglus: i've got the live cd, just would like to save some bandwidth if possible
[12:55] <dooglus> boldstrike: you can have the install CD mailed to you for free if you have some time...
[12:56] <dooglus> boldstrike: https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ is the site if you want it mailed to you
[12:56] <dooglus> boldstrike: comes in a nice little 2-cd gatefold sleeve
[12:56] <boldstrike> dooglus: that's alright..i'll do the download. for setting up a server, what images will i also need?
[12:57] <dooglus> boldstrike: I don't know if there's a cut-down "server only" iso available
[12:57] <boldstrike> dooglus: not 'just' a server, but i will need to run a server
[12:57] <DRK13> just do a server install
[12:58] <DRK13> at boot dont hit enter, type server
[12:58] <dooglus> boldstrike: so get the standard install iso - available from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[01:00] <skon> How come if I want to uninstall something in synaptic sometimes it says I have to uninstall like ubuntu-desktop as well?
[01:01] <ElitePete> when right clicking a folder with mp3's in it xmms plays them out of order, anyone know why?
[01:01] <boldstrike> dooglus: downloading it now
[01:01] <cmatheson> skon: just do it, ubuntu-desktop is just a virtual package
[01:01] <skon> ElitePete: is the random button on?
[01:01] <boldstrike> dooglus: can't even do a live install?
[01:01] <ElitePete> skon, yep, thanks.
[01:01] <skon> cmatheson: so it's not going to screw anything up, because it says it will be marked for removal?
[01:02] <felipito> hello, hello
[01:02] <slew> hi, how can i remove kde and all its programs?
[01:02] <felipito> it seems like irc.freenode.net is down
[01:02] <skon> sudo apt-get remove kdebase
[01:02] <slew> thanks skon
[01:02] <skon> felipito: www.freenode.net
[01:02] <crimsun> felipito: it's not, it's intentional. Use chat.freenode.net.
[01:03] <felipito> oh, ok then
[01:03] <felipito> thanks
[01:03] <zhal> hi all
[01:03] <cmatheson> skon: no
[01:03] <zhal> can somebody help me with the root account ????? i really need help
[01:04] <cmatheson> skon: just don't let it remove all the packages under ubuntu-desktop (gnome-panel, etc)
[01:04] <Jormundgand> !tell zhal about sudo
[01:04] <skon> Okay
[01:04] <boldstrike> zhal: what's the problem?
[01:04] <zhal> i need to define a root password. the setup didn't asked me to define it
[01:04] <Jormundgand> Zhal, you don't need it. Use sudo.
[01:05] <zhal> sudo asks me for a pass
[01:05] <skon> type your own password
[01:05] <zhal> thanks it's seems to be ok, thank you
[01:06] <slew> remove kdebase dosent seem to remove all of it, just like 197k of stuff..
[01:06] <boldstrike> can anyone tell me why i can't play streaming audio in rhythmbox?
[01:06] <zhal> ubuntu is really really good
[01:07] <boldstrike> zhal: it is...i'm migrating from fedor a
[01:07] <ElitePete> zhal, yes ubuntu rockx.
[01:07] <skon> slew: try using synaptic package manager under System|Adminstration
[01:07] <felipito> people, the windows people (imitators like always) will separate the UI from the kernel in the new Vista version, just like Linux.
[01:08] <mgi> hey .. does anyone here have much experience with bluetooth? specifically, transferring files from a mobile phone (nokia 6230i)
[01:08] <jahshua> dooglus: ok i did that
[01:08] <Jormundgand> felipito: That's nice for them.
[01:08] <Seveas> felipito, that is far off-topic in here
[01:08] <felipito> but is a good thing I think
[01:08] <theblue> Hi all, I have giFT and giFTcurs installed.
[01:09] <ryanpg> hi all... anyone having trouble with firewire drives automounting in dapper? (in the gnome environment)
[01:09] <boldstrike> my audio is working fine, but streaming audio will not play
[01:09] <theblue> When I try to use giFTcurs, it says that giFT has not been started, or that it can't detect the daemon.
[01:09] <cmatheson> theblue: giftd
[01:09] <Seveas> ryanpg, automounting is busted in daper iirc
[01:09] <cmatheson> theblue: you'll have to configure it first probably
[01:09] <{alejandro}> ryanpg do you know how to do it manually
[01:09] <theblue> How do I do that?
[01:09] <ElitePete> you need to run gift-config i believe
[01:09] <ElitePete> in terminal.
[01:10] <theblue> Ah.
[01:10] <theblue> Thanks.
[01:10] <ryanpg> Seveas, I filed the bug but it's been closed twice
[01:10] <boldstrike> i install all the gstreamer files, but it still won't work
[01:10] <ryanpg> {alejandro}, yes pmount works fine
[01:10] <Seveas> ryanpg, number?
[01:10] <ryanpg> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20564
[01:10] <ElitePete> question: i can just download the debian .deb of vlc media player right?
[01:10] <Seveas> ElitePete, no
[01:10] <Seveas> use vlc from ubuntu
[01:10] <ElitePete> :-(
[01:10] <ElitePete> apt-get install vlc?
[01:10] <mgi> does anyone know why obexftp would connect (via bluetooth) successfully the first time to my mobile phone..
[01:10] <mgi> ..but fail every subsequent time?
[01:10] <ryanpg> Seveas, I just don't want to reopen it if I'm the only one bitten by the bug
[01:11] <Seveas> ElitePete, yup
[01:11] <Seveas> ryanpg, did you do a comolete upgrade?
[01:12] <Seveas> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20564#c13 says that it should be fixed in the latest udev
[01:12] <ryanpg> Seveas, I installed from dapper flight 1
[01:12] <Seveas> ryanpg, do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:12] <Seveas> and reboot
[01:12] <ryanpg> Seveas, no I'm up to date
[01:12] <Seveas> ryanpg, dpkg -l udev | grep udev
[01:13] <ryanpg> Seveas, hehe... ok "ii  udev                                  077-0ubuntu5                         rule-based device node and kernel event mana"
[01:13] <poningru> question how does one figure out what a key is given the code
[01:13] <poningru> or example
[01:13] <Jormundgand> I recall when I tried dist-upgrading to Dapper from Breezy there was a bizarre flicker when typing.
[01:13] <poningru> 0xa4
[01:13] <ryanpg> Seveas, I really truely am up to date
[01:13] <Seveas> ryanpg, and did you reboot or at least restart udev after upgrading?
[01:13] <poningru> or 0x90
[01:13] <Seveas> I think rebooting will be needed
[01:14] <ryanpg> Seveas, I guess I've rebooted about 8 or 9 times since 077 udev
[01:14] <Seveas> since the ubuntu5 version too?
[01:14] <ryanpg> Seveas, yes
[01:14] <mgi> poningru try http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/kbd/scancodes.html
[01:14] <Seveas> ryanpg, then do what pitti asks: cry out loud at bugzilla
[01:14] <poningru> thanks dude
[01:15] <ryanpg> Seveas, right... but I wanted to do a quick survey of other dapper users, maybe get more info added to the bug
[01:15] <Seveas> sorry, I don't use firewire
[01:15] <Seveas> maybe someone else :)
[01:15] <ryanpg> so what I really want is: any dapper users having trouble with firewire automounting please add to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20564
[01:16] <ryanpg> Seveas, it's ok... I'm sure you'll be able to help me with some other problem eventually! :P
[01:16] <mgi> Bluetooth sucks
[01:17] <ryanpg> mgi, firewire sucks
[01:17] <ryanpg> :d
[01:17] <Seveas> !sucks
[01:17] <mgi> Everything sucks.. it's all so damn flaky
[01:17] <ubotu> somebody said sucks was a word you should NOT use in #ubuntu
[01:17] <Seveas> ubotu has spoken.
[01:17] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, Seveas
[01:17] <ElitePete> question: i'm trying to add a rule for downloading .wmv's in opera but it isn't co-operating.
[01:17] <ryanpg> yikes! that's a bad word?!?! ok ok... I'll be uber-nice
[01:18] <Seveas> ryanpg, being uber nice sucks :)
[01:18] <ryanpg> even my middle school students can use that word occasionally :P
[01:19] <kakei> where is the printer manager to add a new printer?
[01:19] <mgi> Does anyone here know why ObexFTP would connect successfully the first time (via bluetooth to my 6230i) but fail every subsequenet time with "Connecting...bt: -1" ?
[01:22] <ubuntu> hi
[01:22] <ubuntu> where ld script are located on a ubuntu system please ?
[01:22] <ubuntu> (thanks in advance)
[01:22] <Jormundgand> The state of sound in Linux, if my experience is anything to go by, is simply horrific.
[01:23] <Jormundgand> Would it therefore be "wrong" to say "Sound in Linux sucks"?
[01:23] <ElitePete> sound works fine for me in linux..
[01:23] <mgi> He didn't say it didn't work
[01:23] <ryanpg> I'm not sure what you mean by "state of sound", too vague a term
[01:23] <luisito> hellooo
[01:24] <Jormundgand> Getting everything to play nicely together is quite a feat. Firefox still won't play ball and I haven't started looking for a way to play the startup noise without invoking esd.
[01:24] <Jormundgand> ryanpg: dmix.
[01:24] <dooglus> ubuntu: ld isn't a script, but it's in /usr/bin/ld
[01:24] <nickrud> Jormundgand, no, hardware that does not do hardware mixing of sound streams suck.
[01:24] <ryanpg> Jormundgand, oh dmix yeah it's a bit opaque
[01:25] <dooglus> jahshua: you'll probably find that the install CD can resize your partitions now
[01:25] <ubuntu> dooglus: i'm talking about ld's scripts not ld the command
[01:26] <dooglus> ubuntu: go on?
[01:26] <ryanpg> Jormundgand, AC'97 iirc, is generic for several chips
[01:26] <ubuntu> i finally found them in /usr/lib/ldscript
[01:26] <MasterTsunami> it's also well supported
[01:26] <jahshua> dooglus: ok thanks
[01:26] <ubuntu> but can't locate the ldscript.binary one
[01:27] <ryanpg> Jormundgand, my ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 is enabled with the generic sounding AC'97 alsa driver
[01:27] <ryanpg> Jormundgand, but hardware mixing is different from dmix you know
[01:29] <mgi> bah
[01:30] <nickrud> I'm not sure what that difference is, but I do know that a pos cs46xx could play streams going into oss, alsa and esd simultaneously. Something that cheap can't be that innovative, can it?
[01:30] <Jormundgand> Apparently my system has a Realtec ALC201 chip.
[01:31] <ryanpg> Jormundgand, have you tried running gstreamer-properties and setting Pipeline to "alsasink device=dmix"
[01:31] <ElitePete> i can't seem to get .wmv's to open in opera...
[01:32] <meepy> Windows Media Videos I think it stands for
[01:32] <meepy> You need some kind of emulator I think
[01:32] <geneo93> dont use opera
[01:32] <meepy> Mplayer can't play VMW :/
[01:32] <meepy> wmv*
[01:33] <misfit_toy> meepy, bullshit
[01:33] <_jason> meepy, it can with w32codecs
[01:33] <_jason> ubotu, tell meepy about w32codecs
[01:33] <skon> What's the command to display current time?
[01:33] <skon> nvm
[01:33] <skon> Date!
[01:33] <meepy> *sorry*
[01:33] <nickrud> meepy, last night someone pointed out that the wmv's encoded with drm can't be played by mplayer, but the rest can.
[01:34] <kakei> hey guys hi when  i type sudo nvidia-glx-config enable i get : http://pastebin.com/467296 any ideas?
[01:35] <nickrud> kakei, do lines 6 & 7 by hand, that would be quickest.
[01:35] <hendrix_> nite time, thanks for the help guys!!!.. bye bye
[01:35] <sorush20> guys the server is messed up ..
[01:35] <ryanpg> VLC used to be my "goto" media player, but lately I've had better luck with totem-xine
[01:35] <kakei> how do i restart X control alt backspace?
[01:36] <ElitePete> yes.
[01:36] <odat> anyone in here use nicotine?
[01:36] <slew> odat, camel lights, baybee
[01:36] <nickrud> kakei, yes, but you should do it at a login screen, not at the desktop
[01:36] <odat> slew, lol
[01:36] <slew> i use gtk-gnutella for that
[01:37] <odat> i'm trying to find the invisible /.nicotine folder but i can't track it down anyone have any idea?
[01:37] <skon> cd /home
[01:37] <skon> ls -al
[01:37] <nickrud> odat, try ls ~/.nicotine
[01:37] <skon> cd /home/username
[01:37] <skon> ls -al
[01:37] <slew> or open your home folder and do ctrl-h
[01:38] <odat> thanx guys
[01:41] <stuart_> How would I get a windows media player plugin for firefox?
[01:41] <Kyral> On Linux?
[01:41] <Kyral> You don't
[01:41] <Kyral> Not that I know at least
[01:41] <stuart_> Ahh. Thanks.
[01:42] <defiance`> Goodnight folks.
[01:42] <ryanpg> stuart_, mozplugger maybe'
[01:42] <robotgeek> stuart_: if you want to try playing yahoo movies and stuff, it's possible
[01:42] <robotgeek> vids, rather
[01:42] <nickrud> doesn't crossover have something that actually allows the use of that?
[01:42] <nickrud> or did
[01:42] <Xappe> i can recommend the firefox extension media player connectivity
[01:43] <nickrud> what does that use?
[01:43] <stuart_> Can you give a link or a command?
[01:43] <Xappe> allows you to send embedded media to medi player of choice
[01:43] <robotgeek> stuart_: it's an extension
[01:43] <nickrud> like mozplugger :)
[01:43] <ryanpg> or you could take a look at mozplugger
[01:44] <stuart_> Sorry, I am very new to this. I was pleased at being able to find my way in here ;-p
[01:44] <Xappe> :)
[01:44] <ryanpg> stuart_, eh I'm just kidding around... I don't even know how well mozplugger works these days
[01:44] <k31th> guys i cant seem to compile this app with java does this look right ?  http://pastebin.com/467190
[01:45] <nickrud> mozplugger seems to ignore media these days in favor of mozilla-mplayer
[01:45] <Xappe> stuart_: in firefox, choose "tools" --> "extensions" and click the link "get more extensions". then you can search for media player connectivity
[01:46] <nickrud> stuart_, for media stuff, take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, after looking at the link Xappe have
[01:46] <Xappe> stuart_: but then you should get hold on some codecs for you media players, like w32codecs or copy the ones from the mplayer website
[01:48] <ryanpg> mediaplayerconnectivity looks really nifty
[01:49] <stuart_> I have just downloaded it
[01:49] <nickrud> it does
[01:49] <Xappe> ryanpg: it's really nice indeed
[01:49] <ryanpg> Xappe, I need to now find a good test case for it's use
[01:50] <windowmaker> last night i was trying to get sound working for "return to castle wolfenstein: enemy territory" and i followed this guide http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly and it worked, and today when i turn my PC on it's not working anymore, any help? =(
[01:50] <stuart_> What format does google images use?
[01:50] <whyameye> I want my mp3s to open with xmms instead of totem. How do I change this?
[01:51] <Kyral> whyameye: open them with XMMS
[01:51] <Xappe> ryanpg: if you have the codecs needed, try the movie trailers at the apple website
[01:51] <ElitePete> question: i'm trying to add a rule for downloading .wmv's in opera but it isn't co-operating.
[01:51] <ryanpg> stuart_, sorry... what?
[01:51] <ryanpg> Xappe, oh yeah good one thanks
[01:51] <whyameye> Kyral, what I would like is for them to automatically open in XMMS when I click on an mp3 file. Right now they automatically open in Totem.
[01:51] <nickrud> whyameye, right click an mp3, at the bottem select properties, and in the properties dialog tag open with, select xmms
[01:51] <nickrud> *tab
[01:51] <stuart_> Never mind, that appears to be it working now. Thank you very much.
[01:52] <whyameye> nickrud: thanks!
[01:53] <ElitePete> question: i'm trying to add a rule for downloading .wmv's in opera but it isn't co-operating.
[01:54] <nickrud> hrm, it doesn't inline (http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html)
[01:55] <Xappe> nickrud: no, that is the best part ;)
[01:55] <defendguin> bad spambot attack?
[01:55] <nickrud> well, I'm getting starting and restarting and restarting and restarting videos :)
[01:56] <bnD> hi, was wondering if anyone could help me out with firefox constantly crashing?
[01:56] <Xappe> nickrud: mine is working fine
[01:56] <nickrud> I think I need to remove mozilla-mplayer and try again
[01:58] <MWettendorff> Anyone here that can help me install a TS client??
[01:58] <defendguin> the no script extension for firefox is awesome it speeds up browsing emensly
[01:58] <ZeroIRC> Anyone in here able to help me with my PHP problem?
[01:59] <Seveas> ZeroIRC, what is the prob?
[02:00] <Seveas> MWettendorff, applications -> internet -> terminal service client
[02:00] <ZeroIRC> Warning: mysql_select_db(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link resource in /var/www/connect.php on line 3
[02:00] <Seveas> ZeroIRC, that's not ubuntu related
[02:00] <ZeroIRC> I know
[02:00] <Seveas> go to #php :)
[02:00] <ZeroIRC> ok
[02:01] <MWettendorff> Seveas: and how do i use that to connect to a TS server on the net??
[02:01] <Seveas> MWettendorff, fill in the dtails of the server and click connect...
[02:03] <k31th> guys i cant seem to compile this app with java does this look right ?  http://pastebin.com/467190
[02:03] <MWettendorff> Seveas: well.. i dont have a domaine name.. wajt protocol shoud i use? and what is the computer name?
[02:03] <thomas> anyone know why it's taken 2 hours on "setting up gstreamer" when i do apt-get install -f dist-upgrade?
[02:05] <Seveas> MWettendorff, if you don'tknow these details, how will you ever connect?
[02:05] <varsendagger> thomas, no i don't know, why?
[02:06] <MWettendorff> Seveas: well.. with the TS client i can connect.. becous there you only need the IP and a username
[02:06] <thomas> ...um..perhaps because it has?
[02:06] <Seveas> ip can be used as domain name
[02:06] <Seveas> and you need the password you use on that machine
[02:06] <bnD> can someone help me out? whenever i browse a page with embedded audio or video it spits a seg fault?
[02:06] <Xappe> what spits a seg fault?
[02:07] <bnD> firefox
[02:07] <thomas> i can't finish the upgrade and i can't restart for fear of half assed dependencies screwing up my install...
[02:07] <bnD> and crashes
[02:07] <Xappe> bnD: what plugin are you using?
[02:07] <thomas> several programs already don't work
[02:07] <MWettendorff> Seveas: what is the client host then?? also the IP??
[02:07] <dooglus> thomas: ubuntu's dependancies aren't half assed.  they're 100% assed
[02:07] <bnD> Xappe, mplayer
[02:07] <Seveas> thomas, ok, interrupt the upgrade, do dpkg --configure --pending and apt=get -f install
[02:07] <Seveas> apt-get that is
[02:08] <Xappe> bnD: maybe a faulty plugin then? try media player connectivity you too :)
[02:08] <dooglus> bnD: try making a new profile for firefox.  that might fix it.
[02:08] <bnD> dooglus, thanks
[02:08] <thomas> dooglus, i meant restarting in the middle of an upgrade with several dpendncies for the new gdm, etc removed causing it to error for only having half ass (half of) dependencies
[02:08] <bnD> Xappe, you lost me?
[02:08] <thomas> cool Seveas  i'll try
[02:09] <Seveas> woah - some netsplit, 2 users :)
[02:09] <Xappe> bnD: media plyer connectivity is an extension for firefox that lets you play embedded media in a standalone player of choice
[02:09] <bnD> Xappe, ah, thanks :)
[02:09] <dooglus> bnD: I'm not sure how - I think you run "firefox -p" or "firefox -P" or something like that to make a new profile
[02:09] <bnD> dooglus, alrighty :)
[02:09] <thomas> SIGINT won't kill it...crap
[02:10] <Seveas> thomas, try SIGKILL
[02:10] <Seveas> or kill -9
[02:10] <varsendagger> Seveas, is there a wiki on getting sound to work with two different programs
[02:10] <Xappe> bnD: you could say it...ehm...debedds them :)
[02:10] <Seveas> !listkeys sound
[02:10] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'sound' by key (3 shown): sound ;; soundproblems ;; soundhoary #DEL#.
[02:10] <Seveas> !listkvals sound
[02:10] <Seveas> !listvals sound
[02:10] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'sound' by value (9 shown): esd ;; cmd: #DEL# ;; xmms ;; ripping ;; serpentine #DEL# ;; soundhoary #DEL# ;; eh #DEL# ;; sound ;; soundproblems.
[02:10] <bnD> Xappe, lol thanks
[02:10] <thomas> heh killed
[02:10] <Seveas> hmm, there is something on the wiki
[02:11] <Seveas> but don't know the url :)
[02:11] <bnD> is there a reason firefox lists 1.5 as latest release and ubuntu has 1.0.7
[02:11] <bnD> ?
[02:11] <thomas> Linux is like a great big video game..
[02:11] <Seveas> bnD, yes, breezy is stable - no new versions
[02:11] <joedj> bnD: yeah
[02:11] <bnD> how would i go about replacing 1.0.7 with the 1.5 tarball?
[02:12] <Xappe> bnD: that's because breezy was released in october and mainly gets security updates only
[02:12] <bnD> just extract over the files in ~/.mozilla/firefox?
[02:12] <_jason> ubotu, tell bnD about firefox1.5
[02:12] <_jason> ubotu, tell bnD about firefox15
[02:12] <Xappe> bnD: fine...i've done it, but no not that way...
[02:13] <bnD> thanks
[02:13] <varsendagger> Seveas, what is the deal with #DEL#
[02:13] <thomas> um... Seveas it started doing gstreamer again >_> and it's once again stuck on it
[02:13] <Xappe> bnD: I guess you got the ff1.5 install guide link from ubotu?
[02:13] <Telep> bnD, also check this out https://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FirefoxNewVersion
[02:14] <Xappe> and now you got it from Telep
[02:14] <Telep> heh
[02:15] <kakei> any one pls can help me with this : i have installed Nvidia Latest drivers http://pastebin.com/467351 but when i do glxgears i get a crappy result : http://pastebin.com/467359
[02:17] <thomas> man it just won't skip gstreamer..and it keeps freezing on it
[02:18] <ElitePete> anyone here have skype?
[02:19] <Xappe> yes
[02:19] <Linuturk> what is the recommended hdd partition size and setup?
[02:19] <ryanpg> tarnation! I can't get embedded quicktime to work with mediaplayerconnectivity
[02:19] <Linuturk> i'm going to dual boot with a windows xp install
[02:19] <ElitePete> can i call my home phone with skype?
[02:20] <tdn> ElitePete, yes, if you pay for it.
[02:20] <Xappe> ElitePete: yes, if you byy skypeout credits
[02:20] <Xappe> *buy
[02:20] <ElitePete> oh, no thanks :-P
[02:20] <Xappe> ryanpg: do you have codecs for quicktime then?
[02:20] <ryanpg> Xappe, I'm pretty sure... totem plays *.mov
[02:21] <tdn> ElitePete, voipbuster.com enables you to call your home phone for free... But I don't know if they got a Linux client yet...
[02:21] <Seveas> thomas, odd
[02:21] <Gargoyle> Well, after trying penguin racer - i think Its safe to say I don't actually have and hardware acceleration! :(
[02:21] <Seveas> thomas, dpkg -p --force-depends gstreamer
[02:21] <Seveas> and retry
[02:21] <Xappe> ryanpg: could be that the quicktime versions are not supported by the codecs
[02:21] <ryanpg> Xappe, I have gstreamer-pitfdll installed and all my /lib/win32 codecs are registered
[02:22] <Linuturk> what's the recommended partition sizes for a ubuntu 5.10 install?
[02:22] <Xappe> ryanpg: if totem is able to play the embedded file format, then you should be ok...i can't imagine that's a problem with the extension
[02:22] <ElitePete> i wish ventrilo would get a friggin linux client already
[02:22] <ryanpg> Linuturk, don't know about recommended but I'd guess the "average" install takes up about 3gb minimum
[02:22] <thomas> it's priority is optional
[02:23] <thomas> any way i can skip it?
[02:23] <sorush20> anyone here using dapper
[02:23] <sorush20> ?
[02:23] <Linuturk> ryanpg, well, how many partitions should I create, and what sizes? does ubuntu us a swap partition?
[02:24] <sethk> Linuturk, one partition with as much space as you want to give to linux.  Swap is optional.  If you have 512 MB real ram you probably don't need swap, but if you have lots of disk space and want to use a gig or so for swap then go ahead
[02:24] <ryanpg> Xappe, dunno... does apple.com/trailers/ work for you?
[02:25] <Linuturk> sethk, so, how does 5gig for the main ubuntu install and 1 gig for a swap sound?
[02:25] <Xappe> ryanpg: some of them, not the hd versions, or what they are called
[02:25] <Xappe> Linuturk: that would be ok. I would go for a /home partition as well
[02:25] <sethk> Linuturk, that sounds fine as long as you don't want to install both gnome and kde
[02:25] <thomas> Seveas, returns nothing...just freezes again...
[02:25] <luisito> how can I make Gtk-Gnutella to use the skin I mainly use for the system?
[02:25] <sethk> Linuturk, I would not make a separate home partition
[02:25] <luisito> how can I make Gtk-Gnutella to use the theme I mainly use for the system?
[02:26] <sethk> Linuturk, that accomplishes nothing and makes things less flexible
[02:26] <thomas> Seveas, is there a way i can explicitly skip this package?
[02:26] <Linuturk> sethk, is there a way just to install XFCE only?
[02:26] <Seveas> thomas, then something Really Weird is going on
[02:26] <sethk> Linuturk, yes, with expert mode
[02:26] <Seveas> not that I know of...
[02:26] <ryanpg> Xappe, I'll try a few others
[02:26] <Linuturk> sethk, internet access required?
[02:27] <sethk> Linuturk, I'm not certain.  I think so, for xfce, but someone should check my memory.
[02:27] <defendguin> where can i view a list of packages available in extras?
[02:27] <ryanpg> Xappe, Totem could not play 'http://movies.apple.com/movies/universal/nanny_mcphee/nanny_mcphee_h.480.mov'. The file you tried to play is an empty file.
[02:27] <Linuturk> sethk, that's a problem, b/c I've only got wireless access, and I can't get my card to work with ubuntu :(
[02:27] <ryanpg> Xappe, what player do you use for quicktime?
[02:27] <sethk> Linuturk, you've done an install and it didn't find the wireless?
[02:27] <Xappe> ryanpg: xine-ui
[02:28] <sethk> Linuturk, go ahead and use gnome, then.
[02:28] <Linuturk> sethk, right, a sucessful install, but my card is the (aparrently notorious) MN-520 by microsoft
[02:29] <sethk> Linuturk, too bad.  Of course you could download repository files to local disk and make a local respository, but that's a lot of trouble.
[02:29] <ryanpg> Xappe, ahh.. ok well xine doesn't play *.mov well for me at all, hehe I guess linux (ubuntu) multimedia really is a bit of a mess
[02:29] <sethk> Linuturk, for xfce, I mean
[02:29] <varsendagger> ryanpg, mplayer kicks butt
[02:30] <varsendagger> !mplayer
[02:30] <ubotu> hmm... mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[02:30] <Linuturk> sethk, you don't happen to know of a solution for that card, do you? if i could get that working, i'd be giddy as a school girl
[02:30] <kakei> any one pls can help me with this : i have installed Nvidia Latest drivers http://pastebin.com/467351 but when i do glxgears i get a crappy result : http://pastebin.com/467359
[02:30] <thomas> There has to be some way to skip this or take it off the list or something
[02:30] <sethk> Linuturk, no, I haven't played with that one, unfortunately.  Google is no help?
[02:30] <ryanpg> varsendagger, yes but mplayer has soooo many dependencies... VLC used to love me darn it!
[02:30] <Linuturk> sethk, i did a search on the ubuntu forums, and there were several posts, but no answers :(
[02:31] <Xappe> ryanpg: well, most things work very well. quicktime is hard to get going I guess...
[02:31] <nalioth> ryanpg: a simple "sudo apt-get install mplayer-686" will take care of all that
[02:31] <Amaranth> anyone know how to setup ftp?
[02:31] <Linuturk> sethk, the card works fine with another debian based release of linux ( www.damnsmalllinux.org ) with their prism2 setup
[02:31] <quiet> hey... if I install dapper flight 2... can i distupgrade then 3 comes out?
[02:31] <Amaranth> i installed proftpd but i can't connect
[02:31] <Amaranth> err, i can connect but it says my user info is wrong
[02:32] <ElitePete> anyone know where i can get some more screensavers for ubuntu?
[02:32] <ryanpg> nalioth, yeah I just hate it when on package pulls in six other packages... including xmms for pete's sake
[02:32] <dooglus> ElitePete: xscreensaver and xlockmore have a lot of screensavers
[02:32] <ryanpg> s/on/one
[02:32] <nalioth> ryanpg: beats having to chase each depend down by hand, right?
[02:32] <CaptainMorgan> hey
[02:32] <CaptainMorgan> major infestation eh?
[02:32] <sethk> Linuturk, then steal all the configuration from that distro.  or just use that distro.
[02:32] <nalioth> CaptainMorgan: been infesting for months now
[02:33] <ElitePete> dooglus, i know but i want more :-P
[02:33] <ryanpg> nalioth, err... I guess... it's really apples and oranges
[02:33] <dooglus> ElitePete: electricsheep ?
[02:33] <ElitePete> dooglus, ?
[02:33] <ptlo> Amaranth: out of the box config for protfptd for breezy works for me. are you using a valid account on that box?
[02:33] <Amaranth> ptlo: yep
[02:33] <Linuturk> sethk, the only problem is DSL doesn't have the beauty of ubuntu. not enough features, and they use the 2.4 kernel. I've talked to them, and there isn't a way to move those settings over
[02:33] <CaptainMorgan> what's the default kernelpath? I installed Breezy tonight, very happy with it. trying to get wifi working and after getting sources and modules I try make and it can't find KernelConf
[02:34] <ptlo> (ie can you log in via ssh with it)
[02:34] <dooglus> ElitePete: have you seen it?  it's another screen saver.  see also kscreensaver
[02:34] <CaptainMorgan> so much more stuff available in breezy..
[02:34] <sethk> Linuturk, moving 2.4 settings to a 2.6 kernel is rather difficult
[02:34] <Xappe> ryanpg: apples in this particular case :)
[02:35] <ptlo> Amaranth: could you paste your /etc/proftpd.conf on the pastebin, please?
[02:35] <Amaranth> err, it's the standard one
[02:35] <Amaranth> i haven't changed anything
[02:35] <ryanpg> Xappe, heh good one
[02:35] <ryanpg> Xappe, or apples and sour grapes
[02:35] <nalioth> CaptainMorgan: have you installed kernel-headers and linux-source ?
[02:35] <Xappe> ryanpg: ;)
[02:36] <CaptainMorgan> yes
[02:36] <CaptainMorgan> successfully, no errors
[02:36] <Linuturk> sethk, can you recommend anyone to help with this problem with the wireless? or recommend a site or resource?
[02:36] <Xappe> CaptainMorgan: try with gcc 3.4 maybe?
[02:36] <CaptainMorgan> now I know where the term 'breeze' comes from.. just gott get past the make
[02:36] <CaptainMorgan> got all gcc's installed..
[02:36] <ptlo> Amaranth: does your /var/log/daemon.log contain any interesting output from proftpd?
[02:37] <ryanpg> hrm... mplayer seems to have broken dependencies on dapper
[02:37] <sethk> Linuturk, not really.  The best option would be to study the working implementation and figure out the 2.6 equivalents.  That can be done, but it would take time.
[02:37] <Xappe> CaptainMorgan: export CC=gcc-3.4 before make
[02:37] <Amaranth> ptlo: it's empy
[02:37] <Amaranth> err, empty
[02:37] <CaptainMorgan> Makefile.inc:139: *** KERNELCONF: /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12/kernel/.config does not exist..  Stop.
[02:38] <CaptainMorgan> seems to be looking for an executable
[02:38] <Amaranth> hmm, it seems i can't traceroute to the server...
[02:38] <CaptainMorgan> maybe that's incorrect.. nm
[02:38] <Xappe> hum
[02:38] <ryanpg> anyone else running dapper here atm?
[02:38] <ptlo> Amaranth: totally empty? wow, strange, i have atleast gdm entries in there ....; ok, check if proftpd is running at all? maybe you had another ftp server installed and its running with different config?
[02:39] <ptlo> Amaranth: well, for ftp you should be able to log in, no matter the firewalls (if you can do the connection to the port 21 on the server, that is); later, when transmitting data, firewalls will be giving you a headache :)
[02:39] <ryanpg> err... anyone else running dapper able to install mplayer-686? It seems there's broken dependencies currently
[02:39] <Xappe> CaptainMorgan: make oldconfig in the kersnel source dir maybe?
[02:39] <SWAT> there is a memory leak with the nvidia drivers in breezy?
[02:39] <Amaranth> ptlo: proftpd is the only ftpd running
[02:39] <CaptainMorgan> oldconfig ?
[02:40] <kakei> any one pls can help me with this : i have installed Nvidia Latest drivers http://pastebin.com/467351 but when i do glxgears i get a crappy result : http://pastebin.com/467359
[02:40] <ptlo> Amaranth: ps auxw | grep `fuser -n tcp 21`   ... does it mention proftpd?
[02:40] <ptlo> ok
[02:40] <CaptainMorgan> in my kernel dir located in linux-source-2.6.12/  ihave all .c 's
[02:40] <Amaranth> ptlo: travis   25977  0.0  0.1   3064   760 pts/0    S+   19:40   0:00 grep fuser -n tcp 21
[02:40] <ptlo> amaranth: does /var/log/auth.log mention any logins?
[02:40] <windowmaker> i recently installed RTCW: enemy territory and the sound didn't work, so i followed this guide http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly and it worked flawlessly, but when i turned on my PC this morning the sound didn't work anymore, any help?
[02:40] <Xappe> CaptainMorgan: yes, but it's looking for the .config file
[02:41] <ptlo> Amaranth: err, with the backticks (or, alternativels, fuser -n tcp 21, see what the pid is, and grep for that pid to see the process name)
[02:41] <CaptainMorgan> tried to run make in /kernel/ got back: make: *** No rule to make target `.config', needed by `/config_data.gz'.  Stop.
[02:41] <Xappe> CaptainMorgan: but I'm quite a noob when it comes to kernelconfigs
[02:42] <Linuturk> linux MN-520
[02:42] <robotgeek> i am using IBM java 1.5 on PPC. if i type 'java' at the console, it get the following error message, "JVM not found: libjvm.so  - libjvm.so". However, if i execute it with full path, like, "/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-ibm/jre/bin/java" it works without the error. any clues?
[02:42] <CaptainMorgan> no problem, could use all the suggestions I can get :(
[02:42] <CaptainMorgan> :)
[02:42] <Xappe> CaptainMorgan: $ sudo  make oldconfig
[02:43] <ElitePete> is their any temp files that need to be cleared on linux (like windows) that free up space?
[02:43] <robotgeek> CaptainMorgan: eiteher make oldconfig/make menuconfig
[02:43] <Xappe> CaptainMorgan: is what i would've tried
[02:43] <Amaranth> ptlo: nobody   25944  0.0  0.4   4300  2192 ?        Ss   19:38   0:00 proftpd: (accepting connections)
[02:43] <robotgeek> CaptainMorgan: no sudo. never compile stuff as root
[02:43] <CaptainMorgan> in the madwifi dir? or in kernel? - in kernel, still recieving 'no rule to make target'
[02:43] <Amaranth> ptlo: wow, lots of people trying to crack into the server :P
[02:43] <ptlo> Amaranth: ok great...if proftpd refused your login, /var/log/auth.log should have a line of two of information regarding that
[02:44] <CaptainMorgan> oh..
[02:44] <CaptainMorgan> gotta remove sudo
[02:44] <ptlo> heh :)
[02:44] <ElitePete> is their any temp files that need to be cleared on linux (like windows) that free up space?
[02:44] <CaptainMorgan> blah
[02:44] <Xappe> robotgeek: but you have to? in /usr/src?
[02:44] <windowmaker> kakei: are you using the drivers from apt?
[02:44] <ptlo> ElitePete: du is a gread command, showing how many space you use
[02:44] <robotgeek> Xappe: you add yourself to src group, and do it that way
[02:44] <Amaranth> ptlo: odd, the last connection attempt in there is me ssh'ing in
[02:44] <Xappe> robotgeek: ah
[02:45] <nix4me> ElitePete : a cron job could do that
[02:45] <ElitePete> is their a temporary file cleaner built for linux?
[02:45] <windowmaker> i recently installed RTCW: enemy territory and the sound didn't work, so i followed this guide http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly and it worked flawlessly, but when i turned on my PC this morning the sound didn't work anymore, any help?
[02:45] <nalioth> ElitePete: /tmp/ means temp
[02:45] <ElitePete> is it safe to clear that?
[02:45] <ptlo> but don't just go erasing everything in /tmp :)
[02:45] <CaptainMorgan> Evidently I need /config_data.gz ... but where do i get it from?
[02:45] <nalioth> ElitePete: hard drives are cheap nowadays, <hint> <hint>
[02:46] <ElitePete> i was just asking, i have a 160gig hd just like to keep my pc clean.
[02:46] <kakei> windowmaker no
[02:46] <ptlo> Amaranth: that's ok, auth.log keeps log of all authentication going on, including ssh. or you're saying that you tried to connect to ftp *after* that and that isn't logged in?
[02:46] <windowmaker> kakei: haha, good, what model card are you using?
[02:46] <Amaranth> ptlo: yep
[02:46] <CaptainMorgan> so close to this too.. I can feel it.
[02:46] <ptlo> Amaranth: stupid question, but maybe you get diverted to some other server?
[02:47] <CaptainMorgan> never got this far before..
[02:47] <ptlo> Amaranth: can you try ftp localhost from that server?
[02:47] <Amaranth> ptlo: i tried using the ftp client and running 'open localhost', it hung
[02:48] <TokenBad> can someone help me set up router with proftpd?
[02:48] <Amaranth> ptlo: oh, now localhost works
[02:48] <Xappe> ElitePete: well, if you feel you have to clear up some space you can do apt-get clean...will remove cached .deb packages
[02:48] <ptlo> Amaranth: with your username and password?
[02:48] <Amaranth> ptlo: yep
[02:49] <ElitePete> Xappe and i can't break stuff with that right?
[02:49] <ptlo> Amaranth: if it still doesn't work from the outside, i guess the network admins remapped port 21 to some other server
[02:49] <zparta> is there anyway to install kubuntu from ubuntu ?
[02:49] <ptlo> zparta: from synaptic install kubuntu-desktop
[02:49] <Gargoyle> how do I test if 3D accel is working properly?
[02:49] <theCore> zparta, install the kubuntu package
[02:49] <Amaranth> ptlo: ack, i forgot to tell them to forward port 21 ;)
[02:49] <Xappe> ElitePete: I think not...should be safe
[02:49] <Amaranth> ptlo: it's going to a windows machine
[02:49] <Gargoyle> xorg.log shows no obvious errors
[02:49] <ptlo> Amaranth: :p :) happens
[02:49] <Xappe> ElitePete: man apt-get
[02:50] <zparta> thanks, running apt-get but since synaptic is just a frontend for apt-get sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop should work just fine :P
[02:50] <ptlo> Gargoyle: run glxheads and see the output
[02:50] <ptlo> Gargoyle: it should display which 3d driver it's  using
[02:50] <ptlo> if it says mesa, you're on 2d
[02:51] <TokenBad> I set up the passive ports in proftpd.conf and set both my ftp port and passive ports in router
[02:51] <TokenBad> but when try to ftp in
[02:51] <ptlo> Gargoyle: there's also glxinfo, which gives much more verbose info
[02:51] <TokenBad> get something about address already in use
[02:51] <TokenBad> or something
[02:52] <ElitePete> TokenBad, try changing the ports?
[02:52] <Linuturk> Linux--wlan-ng << is that included in Ubuntu?
[02:52] <PinkBunny> hello dear sirs, can anyone tell me shorewall version in breezy tree?
[02:52] <pozdiy> ptlo, where can I find man page for glxheads?
[02:52] <crimsun> !info shorewall
[02:53] <ubotu> shorewall: (Shoreline Firewall (Shorewall)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.5-2ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 154 kB, Installed size: 864 kB
[02:53] <Gargoyle> It says Mesa!
[02:53] <TokenBad> ElitePete, I put the ports as 50000 to 50019
[02:53] <TokenBad> for passive
[02:53] <TokenBad> and its not the port
[02:53] <crimsun> PinkBunny: see what ubotu just pasted
[02:53] <PinkBunny> yes, but that cant be right ..the version
[02:53] <PinkBunny> even sarge uses newer one
[02:54] <crimsun> why would you think that's wrong?
[02:54] <PinkBunny> I see in ubuntu mirror pools 3.0.x versions even
[02:54] <windowmaker> can anybody help me with getting the sound working in return to castle wolfenstein: enemy territory?
[02:54] <ptlo> pozdiy: no idea .... :( i don't have manpage for that either
[02:54] <PinkBunny> problem is that i see several versions in those ubuntu mirror pools, I dunno which is current actual one
[02:54] <CaptainMorgan> why does the /kernel/ not have a .config ??
[02:55] <Xappe> PinkBunny: apt says 2.2.5
[02:55] <Madpilot> windowmaker: try this in a terminal: "killall esd" and then "esd" - I've no idea why, but killing & restarting the sound server seems to fix ET's sound...
[02:55] <pozdiy> ptlo, glxheads seems to be fast and concise, but no description of options...
[02:55] <nickrud> CaptainMorgan, it does, it's available in /boot
[02:55] <PinkBunny> !info iptables
[02:55] <ubotu> iptables: (Linux kernel 2.4+ iptables administration tools), section net, is standard. Version: 1.3.1-2ubuntu1.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 302 kB, Installed size: 976 kB
[02:55] <Gargoyle> ptlo, It says Mesa Indirect.
[02:56] <crimsun> the version that's available to you is the version that ubotu just stated
[02:56] <windowmaker> Madpilot: didn't work =(
[02:56] <varsendagger> does anyone know the esd sound trick to play sound from two different programs?
[02:56] <ptlo> Gargoyle: run glxinfo also
[02:56] <TokenBad> ElitePete, I connect to the ftp find...actually its when I try to list the dir
[02:56] <ptlo> Gargoyle: which card do you have, btw?
[02:56] <nickrud> varsendagger, I've used esddsp in the past for some programs
[02:56] <ptlo> Gargoyle: i'm not sure what the output is for radeon
[02:57] <ElitePete> TokenBad, whats the address i'll give it a whirl
[02:57] <Madpilot> windowmaker: meh... sorry, that's what works for me when ET starts w/o sound (which happens every so often...)
[02:57] <Gargoyle> made some changes from the wiki - reboot, brb
[02:57] <crimsun> PinkBunny: I'm not sure how you arrived at sarge having a newer version of shorewall than breezy
[02:57] <windowmaker> Madpilot: yesterday i followed this guide to fix it http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly and it worked flawlessly, but then this morning i start up my PC and it didn't work
[02:57] <ElitePete> windowmaker did you save your settings?
[02:58] <Madpilot> !ubuntuguide
[02:58] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is an unofficial guide written by community members. It is not guaranteed to be up to date, or to work. There is an official guide, at http://help.ubuntu.com which is preferred.
[02:58] <windowmaker> ElitePete: what do you mean?
[02:58] <CaptainMorgan> i tried to do apt-get config_data.gz but not lvoe
[02:58] <CaptainMorgan> love
[02:58] <Linuturk> attn wireless guru's ; I've found some sites describing ways to get a MN-520 to work with linux. Perhaps we can query and discuss these sites to see if I can get my system working ?
[02:58] <misfit_toy> CaptainMorgan, love? like are we singing beatles songs here?
[02:59] <ElitePete> window
[02:59] <varsendagger> nickrud, how dooes that work?
[02:59] <ElitePete> alsactl store
[02:59] <crimsun> CaptainMorgan: what is 'config_data.gz' in reference to?
[02:59] <ElitePete> config everything then do sudo alsactl store.
[02:59] <TokenBad> ElitePete, I msged it to you
[02:59] <ElitePete> kk token.
[02:59] <ElitePete> one moment.
[02:59] <windowmaker> ElitePete: alsactl: save_state:1190: Cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing
[03:00] <nickrud> varsendagger, you would do esddsp <program> ; it didn't always work, it mostly did in my recollection
[03:00] <CaptainMorgan> crimsun: make command returns with the error that it needs the /.config - trying to set up madwifi
[03:00] <ElitePete> windowmaker, did you do sudo ?
[03:01] <crimsun> CaptainMorgan: install build-essential, gcc-3.4, and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:01] <Gargoyle> soz ptlo, just added fglrx to /etc/modules and wanted to reboot
[03:01] <CaptainMorgan> yes
[03:01] <CaptainMorgan> already in
[03:01] <Linuturk> attn wireless guru's ; I've found some sites describing ways to get a MN-520 to work with linux. Perhaps we can query and discuss these sites to see if I can get my system working ? Can anyone help?
[03:01] <windowmaker> ElitePete: this time i did, =P
[03:01] <PinkBunny> crimsun: sorry, my mistake, its even more ancient in sarge
[03:01] <PinkBunny> 2.2.3 :)
[03:01] <crimsun> PinkBunny: heh
[03:01] <ElitePete> windowmaker, so your good to go?
[03:02] <PinkBunny> but 2.2.5 still doesnt suit my needs
[03:02] <ptlo> Gargoyle: any luck with it?
[03:02] <windowmaker> ElitePete, still isn't working =(
[03:02] <Madpilot> Linuturk: I don't even have wireless, but if you post more details - and the URLs you're looking at - someone might be able to help you...
[03:02] <PinkBunny> crimsun: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/shorewall/
[03:02] <Gargoyle> prlo, glxinfo returns a lot!
[03:02] <ElitePete> windowmaker, dunno then i'm no expert
[03:02] <PinkBunny> how am I to judge this?
[03:02] <windowmaker> ElitePete, heh
[03:02] <ptlo> Gargoyle: hehe, true :) only the first lines are interesting now, glxinfo | less
[03:02] <crimsun> PinkBunny: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=shorewall
[03:02] <Gargoyle> ptlo, for vendor string it says SGI.
[03:02] <ElitePete> windowmaker, did you do "sudo alsactl store"
[03:02] <ElitePete> ?
[03:03] <Gargoyle> ptlo, I have Radeon X800 XT
[03:04] <Linuturk> http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/1610/sort/2/cat/146/page/1 << http://www.wifi.com.ar/doc/wifi/wlan_adapters.html << http://tuxmobil.org/pcmcia_ci10500.html << these are the main sites
[03:04] <PinkBunny> crimsun: ah, its for "ubuntu unstable" :)
[03:04] <windowmaker> ElitePte: yes
[03:04] <windowmaker> ElitePete: yes
[03:05] <PinkBunny> but then again, if I am already having to go out of "stable" branch I could as well stick with sarge, not that I will even have X installed on this machine, its supposed to be a router :)
[03:06] <crimsun> PinkBunny: why not etch, then?
[03:06] <crimsun> it has 3.0.1-1
[03:07] <Linuturk> attn wireless guru's ; I've found some sites describing ways to get a MN-520 to work with linux. Perhaps we can query and discuss these sites to see if I can get my system working ? Can anyone help?
[03:07] <Linuturk> http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/1610/sort/2/cat/146/page/1 << http://www.wifi.com.ar/doc/wifi/wlan_adapters.html << http://tuxmobil.org/pcmcia_ci10500.html << these are the main sites
[03:08] <robotgeek> Linuturk: what does the ubuntu wireless page say about your card
[03:08] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell Linuturk about wireless
[03:08] <Gargoyle> ptlo, any more ideas for me? (I think I am getting retina burn of my xorg.conf!)
[03:08] <CaptainMorgan> lol
[03:08] <wim> linuxturk cant you use ndiswrapper?
[03:08] <ptlo> Gargoyle: what ddoes it say for 'direct rendering' ?
[03:09] <PinkBunny> crimsun: I need security updates for stuff.....I only plan to go out of stable for few packages that i might need for shorewall (like new iptables)
[03:09] <ptlo> Gargoyle: hmm, no, i'm not radeon user so i don't know how it looks with radeon....setting the right driver in xorg.conf and loading the kernel module should be enough
[03:09] <Gargoyle> No
[03:09] <ptlo> afaik
[03:09] <Linuturk> robotgeek, not on the list
[03:09] <Gargoyle> ptlo, it says no.
[03:10] <joedj> anyone remember where i configure what Alt+Tab does in kubuntu? at the moment it is cycling through windows forwards, which is nasty...
[03:10] <crimsun> PinkBunny: then breezy is as good as any other.
[03:10] <robotgeek> Linuturk: what does the .nl site say about your wireless support (link right on top of the wiki page)
[03:10] <ptlo> Gargoyle: fglrxinfo  mentiones mesa or radeon?
[03:10] <Falstius> today seems to be the day for nuisance attacks ... my home connection was getting "syn floods" today and now I have to use chat.freenode.
[03:11] <Gargoyle> ptlo, mesa
[03:11] <ptlo> :(
[03:11] <{alejandro}> oh man
[03:11] <{alejandro}> are you having fglrx woes
[03:11] <Linuturk> robotgeek, green. aparently it works with linux. I've used it with another distro of linux called damnsmalllinux
[03:11] <{alejandro}> it took me forever to get it to work
[03:12] <Gargoyle> {alejandro}, Yeah. :(
[03:12] <PinkBunny> crimsun: it is, just dunno if I can trust it update&upgrade as cronjob and not worry that something might go wrong, have more faith in debian stable when I am supposed to build setup&forget machine that I can be around.
[03:12] <Linuturk> robotgeek, fowarded me to this site http://www.linux-wlan.org/
[03:12] <Gargoyle> xorg.log says:- fglrx(0): Direct rendering enabled
[03:12] <robotgeek> Linuturk: great, i think you can use this howto
[03:12] <robotgeek> Linuturk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MA111Howto
[03:13] <Gargoyle> lsmod lists fglrx being used by agpgart!
[03:13] <PinkBunny> its mission critical machine....in other words.....dean would hire ninjas to kill me if it fails and I am not available to fix it :)
[03:13] <ryanpg> Xappe, yay! it works now that I have mplayer installed
[03:13] <yubimusubi> Hey, I was on here last night, and somebody told me to apt-get 2 packages before updating to breezy from hoary...one was ubuntu-desktop, and Idun remember the other...any help?
[03:13] <Gargoyle> {alejandro}, Any tips?
[03:14] <{alejandro}> uh
[03:14] <{alejandro}> well
[03:14] <Madpilot> !upgrade
[03:14] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[03:14] <eriksti> any Eclipse users here that can tell me how to replace all tabs by spaces while I code?
[03:14] <Linuturk> robotgeek, does it matter that my card is not a usb card, and that its not even the same make?
[03:14] <{alejandro}> I am on an amd64 box
[03:14] <{alejandro}> and I had to do a fresh install
[03:14] <{alejandro}> one tip is that fglrxconfig isn't worth shit
[03:14] <{alejandro}> err
[03:14] <{alejandro}> beans
[03:14] <{alejandro}> pardon my language
[03:14] <yubimusubi> Madpilot: thanks
[03:14] <Gargoyle> lol
[03:14] <Madpilot> yubimusubi: looks like ubuntu-base as well?
[03:15] <thomas> yay finally
[03:15] <thomas> got it to skip it
[03:15] <thomas> mwuahahahhaha
[03:15] <Gargoyle> great! ;)
[03:15] <{alejandro}> hold on
[03:15] <yubimusubi> Madpilot: Yes, I think that's it...man, do you know anyway to change the colors in Gnome-Terminal? (Is it the same as in Xterm?)
[03:15] <{alejandro}> lemme pull out my xorg.conf Gargoyle
[03:15] <Gargoyle> the control panel doesn't work ether... it wants libstdc++5... I have 6!
[03:15] <pressman> anyone have ubuntu on a mac?
[03:15] <mebsd> can i use ubuntu without gnome?
[03:16] <Gargoyle> {alejandro}, Thanks.
[03:16] <maney> does the evince program do anything useful for other folks?  there used to be a postscript viewer that actually worked, I thought, but this useless thng seems to be all there is in Breezy?
[03:16] <Madpilot> yubimusubi: Edit -> Profiles for Gnome Term.
[03:16] <ZeroIRC> !pastebin
[03:16] <ubotu> I guess pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:16] <crimsun> PinkBunny: why wouldn't breezy be trustworthy, heh? It's a main package and receives support from the core team.
[03:16] <thomas> i use rafb.net/paste
[03:16] <thomas> oh my lord
[03:16] <yubimusubi> Madpilot: Awesome, thanks
[03:16] <thomas> not again
[03:17] <Madpilot> yubimusubi: sorry, Edit -> Current Profile
[03:17] <thomas> how many gstreamer plugins are gonna freeze this?
[03:17] <yubimusubi> Madpilot: I figured it out
[03:17] <{alejandro}> ok Gargoyle http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5839
[03:17] <tdn> Can I get some help on getting access to a wireless LAN that is protected with WPA/TKIP. I have a PSK and other data from my network admin. I have already installed wpa_supplicant, but appearently I have misconfigured it.
[03:17] <crimsun> tdn: what happened?
[03:18] <derelm> hi. i have a debian sarge system running (remote) but i want to install ubuntu onto another partition. i read i should be using debootstrap, but could someone please guide me?
[03:18] <{alejandro}> tdb
[03:18] <{alejandro}> tdn put your conf file on pastebin
[03:18] <{alejandro}> /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[03:18] <joedj> somewhere in KDE i managed to set things such that alt+tab doesn't display the window list as you cycle through. now i can't find where to undo this...
[03:18] <yubimusubi> The other question I have...(Sorry, I don't use GNOME much...) is how do I get the scroll wheel to change virtual desktops? ctrl-alt-left annoys me...
[03:18] <crimsun> derelm: see 8.6.35.1 of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot
[03:19] <Madpilot> yubimusubi: hover over the desktop thing on your panel, and roll the wheel
[03:19] <robotgeek> crimsun: care to help with a java packaging error?
[03:19] <crimsun> derelm: just be mindful of not using 'sid' but 'breezy'
[03:19] <derelm> crimsun: i did that, but it told me it cannot find breezy script
[03:19] <{alejandro}> robotgeek maybe I can help
[03:19] <yubimusubi> Madpilot: Ohh, okay...at least that;s better, thanks
[03:20] <{alejandro}> robotgeek what's up
[03:20] <maney> Madpilot: that's deeply silly.  it also works backwards, IMO
[03:20] <maney> just sayin'
[03:20] <crimsun> derelm: you don't have breezy's debootstrap, so of course it wouldn't be able to find it.
[03:20] <robotgeek> {alejandro}: lintian -vi gives http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5840 (i'm new to all this, i dunno if it's okay to distribute it)
[03:20] <tdn> crimsun, heh.... I lost my network connection and could not get it up again.... (The command you supplied did not work :( )   Before I was online from an unprotected wlan... But I was not able to connect to this after setting up wpasupplicant... Now I am online via a cable ;)
[03:20] <yubimusubi> Madpilot: But I was thinking more along the lines of scroll wheel on desktop background...but perhaps GNOME doesn't support that...
[03:20] <Madpilot> maney: you're scrolling up or down to go left or right, not sure which way would qualify as "forwards" ;)
[03:20] <tdn> {alejandro}, 20 secs.
[03:20] <derelm> crimsun: well, yes. but how do i get it?
[03:20] <{alejandro}> ok
[03:20] <crimsun> derelm: http://packages.ubuntu.com/debootstrap
[03:21] <crimsun> derelm: download the breezy version and install it
[03:21] <derelm> crimsun: thanks.
[03:21] <{alejandro}> tdn, do you know the key and ssid for the proteted networks?
[03:21] <tdn> {alejandro}, yes.
[03:21] <maney> Madpilot: yeah, I guess it's just a roll of the die whether it will seem sensible to any given person
[03:22] <{alejandro}> tdn, did you do wpa_passphrase ssid passphrase
[03:22] <{alejandro}> and put that in the conf file
[03:22] <{alejandro}> err the output
[03:22] <{alejandro}> for the psk info
[03:23] <crimsun> tdn: you also need to run wpa_supplicant with -dd
[03:23] <crimsun> tdn: that way you can tell from the verbose output what's wrong
[03:23] <{alejandro}> robotgeek, are you installing one of those .bin packages
[03:23] <derelm> crimsun: is it sufficient to take the scripts from the archive (ubuntus debootstrap src package)?
[03:23] <tdn> {alejandro}, /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf is at http://pastebin.com/467435
[03:23] <crimsun> robotgeek: what's the issue?
[03:24] <crimsun> derelm: generally, yes
[03:24] <derelm> crimsun: thanks again
[03:24] <maney> hmmmm... maybe this isn't entirely evince's fault.  it does seem to be an odd postscript file, although raw gs shows all the pages... in revere order.  kghostview misbehaves just like evince.  bah!
[03:24] <{alejandro}> tdn did you clip your psk for pastebin?
[03:24] <tdn> crimsun, hmm... Ok. I lost the oneliner you provided... Can you give me it again? :)
[03:24] <robotgeek> crimsun: trying to package the IBM java sdk for ppc.
[03:24] <tdn> {alejandro}, yes
[03:24] <crimsun> robotgeek: 1.5?
[03:24] <{alejandro}> ok
[03:24] <robotgeek> {alejandro}: yes, it's one of those .bin things
[03:24] <tdn> {alejandro}, did not want to pulish the psk
[03:24] <robotgeek> crimsun: yes
[03:25] <crimsun> robotgeek: wait for it to be added in Debian's first.
[03:25] <robotgeek> crimsun: hmm, oh okay
[03:25] <{alejandro}> alien the rpm that is
[03:25] <uP|G0dLik3> heya there ppl... can anyone help me here... I just deleted my /usr/share/X11 directory (X couldn't start after dist-upgade to dapper)
[03:25] <{alejandro}> sudo sh (javapackage)
[03:25] <{alejandro}> you get an an rpm
[03:25] <uP|G0dLik3> I've already reinstalled the fonts packages... but what else goes to /usr/share/X11???
[03:26] <{alejandro}> sudo alien javarpm
[03:26] <Gargoyle> back soon.... hopefully.
[03:26] <tdn> crimsun, right now I killed my wpa_supplicant in an attempt to get a connection to the unprotected network...
[03:26] <{alejandro}> dpkg -i javadeb
[03:26] <robotgeek> {alejandro}: it builds okay and installs okay.
[03:26] <{alejandro}> ah
[03:26] <robotgeek> {alejandro}: i wanted to find out if it was okay that lintian was cribbing that much
[03:27] <{alejandro}> oh, I just thought the package was being retarded
[03:27] <robotgeek> {alejandro}: hmm, that it is
[03:28] <maney> uP|G0dLik3: dpkg --search usr/share/X11 | cut -d \  -f 1 | sort | uniq => gsfonts-x11:
[03:28] <maney> libx11-6:
[03:28] <maney> x-common,
[03:28] <maney> xfonts-100dpi:
[03:28] <maney> xfonts-75dpi:
[03:28] <maney> xfonts-base,
[03:28] <{alejandro}> it seems it is putting everything in the wrong place
[03:28] <maney> xfonts-base:
[03:28] <maney> xfonts-scalable,
[03:28] <maney> xfonts-scalable:
[03:28] <{alejandro}> maney pasteboard
[03:28] <{alejandro}> pastebin
[03:28] <uP|G0dLik3> hmmmm
[03:28] <{alejandro}> robotgeek, it's not distro agnostic
[03:28] <maney> sorry, I forgot this version of xchat doesn;t show the friggin' newlines
[03:28] <uP|G0dLik3> i liked that cmd :D
[03:28] <maney> thought it had put it on one
[03:28] <tdn> crimsun, ?
[03:28] <uP|G0dLik3> maney: thx ;D
[03:28] <{alejandro}> so yeah, wait for the debian one
[03:29] <crimsun> tdn: sudo wpa_supplicant $OPTIONS -dd
[03:29] <crimsun> tdn: where $OPTIONS is the string in your /etc/default/wpasupplicant conffile
[03:29] <robotgeek> {alejandro}: hmm, so not a good idea to distribute, huh
[03:29] <{alejandro}> you can't make-jpkg that one, right
[03:29] <crimsun> {alejandro}: you can't legally distribute it anyway
[03:30] <crimsun> sorry {alejandro}
[03:30] <crimsun> robotgeek: you can't legally distribute it anyway
[03:30] <{alejandro}> I know, but I am thinking like javapackage
[03:30] <{alejandro}> where you can repackage the distributed one for your computer
[03:30] <{alejandro}> is there something equivalent
[03:30] <{alejandro}> or does it just have to be written
[03:30] <swim> hey folks, does anyone know if kde runs any better when installed in Ubuntu instead of installing Kubuntu"?
[03:31] <crimsun> you can use make-jpkg (from java-package) to create a deb for your own use, yes. You cannot make that deb available for public download.
[03:31] <maney> so that would be another question: anyone know why the Breezy version of xchat isn't showing newlines in the entry widget?  they used to be extremely visible when pasted in...
[03:31] <{alejandro}> right, but is there one compat with this IBM java distribution
[03:31] <robotgeek> {alejandro}: i make-jpkg'ed it
[03:31] <tdn> crimsun, ok. Thanks. I'll try.... But before I fire off the command, I just want to ask if my current network connection will still be usable? Will I lose my ssh connections/etc? I am using the cabled LAN card right now....
[03:32] <{alejandro}> hm weird
[03:32] <robotgeek> crimsun: hmm, but it's okay to do it like !javadebs?
[03:32] <tdn> crimsun, the last time there was some other commands too... Something like ifdown --force or something like that?
[03:33] <crimsun> tdn: don't worry about those commands right now
[03:33] <robotgeek> {alejandro}: can you explain in the /msg ?
[03:33] <crimsun> robotgeek: you can't package ibm's 1.5 currently since java-package doesn't know how to handle it
[03:34] <robotgeek> crimsun: it does, i compiled the one from debian?
[03:34] <crimsun> robotgeek: using 1.5 from IBM?
[03:34] <incipiens> hi all
[03:34] <crimsun> robotgeek: it doesn't have a script to handle it last I looked
[03:34] <swim> mmm anyone?
[03:34] <robotgeek> crimsun: i have the java-package 0.27 from debian, and it supports IBM ppc
[03:35] <uP|G0dLik3> how can I issue a reinstall with dpkg or aptitude?
[03:35] <uP|G0dLik3> I can only find remove and install
[03:35] <tdn> crimsun, ok.
[03:36] <robotgeek> crimsun: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/j/java-package/
[03:36] <crimsun> robotgeek: ah, the autosync hasn't gotten it yet
[03:36] <tdn> crimsun, the output from wpa_supplicant is here : http://pastebin.com/467449
[03:36] <diana> I can't get sound to work...and I don't know why.
[03:36] <robotgeek> crimsun: hmm,you are talking about dapper though?
[03:37] <crimsun> robotgeek: yes. It won't go into anything but Dapper.
[03:37] <tdn> crimsun, from there it appearently continues to scan for ssids...
[03:37] <swim> hey folks, does anyone know if kde runs any better when installed in Ubuntu instead of installing Kubuntu"?
[03:37] <derelm> i read that there is a "server-release" (paraphrased by me) of breezy available, is there a way to debootstrap that on a remote server or is it basically the same base-system?
[03:37] <sethk> derelm, it's the same base
[03:37] <tdn> crimsun, ssid broadcast has been disabled from the AP. Is this a problem?
[03:38] <{alejandro}> swim, it usually means that there are gnome packages as well
[03:38] <crimsun> tdn: no, but you need to enable a parameter. One sec.
[03:38] <{alejandro}> swim, it is all the same packages from the same repository
[03:38] <robotgeek> crimsun: thanks for you help
[03:38] <{alejandro}> swim with just a little work you could change ubuntu to kubuntu completely
[03:38] <CaptainMorgan> can't find config_data.gz ...
[03:38] <varsendagger> {alejandro}, i think my wife might know you.
[03:38] <swim> {alejandro}, ah ok, I dont mind the gnome packages, but I just was not at all impressed with kubuntu, though I have been with ubuntu very much
[03:38] <crimsun> tdn: in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf, make sure you have ap_scan=2, not ap_scan=1
[03:39] <varsendagger> do you know a woman named chalice?
[03:39] <{alejandro}> varsendagger no
[03:39] <joedj> swim: what didn't you like? i am enjoying kubuntu
[03:39] <tdn> crimsun, ok
[03:39] <varsendagger> well i guess not then
[03:40] <swim> joedj, way more crashes than ubuntu (actually, simply crashes where as ubuntu had none)
[03:40] <tdn> crimsun, I see that the top of the output in my previous paste was missing... It is here: http://pastebin.com/467452
[03:40] <crimsun> tdn: you also need scan_ssid=1
[03:40] <sethk> I didn't formally install kbuntu, I just installed KDE to an ubuntu installation.  Except for a problem with a couple of fonts, everything works nicely.
[03:41] <{alejandro}> I am probably gonna switch to xubuntu when that is out there
[03:41] <tdn> crimsun, ok
[03:42] <varsendagger> nickrud, i can't find esddsp do you know where i can find it?
[03:42] <intelikey> {alejandro}, just install [server]  mode and add what ever desktop you want.    this is linux after all..... well what passes for linux nowa days.
[03:43] <{alejandro}> right
[03:43] <tdn> crimsun, Line 14: Invalid configuration line 'scan_ssid=1'
[03:43] <{alejandro}> intelikey I am pretty much running xubuntu now
[03:43] <Bytter_> uh.. hmmm... can anyone help me here?
[03:44] <Bytter_> X says it can't open /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[03:44] <wim> bytter state your problem
[03:44] <Bytter_> after dapper upgrade
[03:44] <tdn> Bytter_, not unless you tell us whats wrong....
[03:44] <Bytter_> i know, i know... :P
[03:44] <crimsun> tdn: scan_ssid=1 goes inside your network={} stanza
[03:44] <tdn> crimsun, ahh. Ok.
[03:45] <intelikey> why is it that you can't kill processes on the live CD ?
[03:45] <tdn> crindone
[03:45] <tdn> crimsun, done
[03:45] <Bytter_> also, it's complaining that FreeFontPath refcount is set to 2 and should be 1
[03:46] <nitinshantharam> hey guys, i insatlled webmin and tried to browse to teh site but i get access denided for ip, how do is config webmin so all ip's can access it?
[03:46] <Bytter_> so, anyone has any idea? i just sumply can't load up X :( :( :(
[03:47] <tdn> crinshould my net work now?
[03:47] <intelikey> Bytter_, i don't know about dapper, but doing a dpkg-reconfigure -a  might fix it.
[03:48] <tdn> crimsun, I still don't get an IP on eth1...
[03:48] <Xappe> Bytter_: or try to change the permissions of ~/.Xauthority
[03:48] <jmain> I still haven't figured out my USB mouse issue.  Just checking to see if anyone else has had their USB mouse constantly locking up?
[03:48] <Bytter_> issuing....
[03:48] <{alejandro}> Bytter_ put your /var/logs/Xorg.0.log (is that right) up on pastebin if you can
[03:48] <crimsun> tdn: need -dd output again
[03:49] <tdn> crimsun, wpa_supplicant produces a lot of output... It seems to me, that it does not get connected... But I can't read it. It is too fast.
[03:49] <{alejandro}> or at least say the ee lines
[03:49] <tdn> crimsun, ok.
[03:49] <Bytter_> how do I put under pastebin?
[03:49] <crimsun> tdn: redirect the output to a text file, then post that text file to paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:49] <Bytter_> i'm in console :P
[03:49] <Bytter_> how do I post with a command line? ;)
[03:49] <{alejandro}> links
[03:49] <{alejandro}>  lynx
[03:49] <{alejandro}> whatever
[03:49] <intelikey> !paste
[03:49] <ubotu> from memory, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:50] <{alejandro}>    or do the log, grep ee
[03:50] <thomas> um...should the linux image take a while to set up? or should it go rather quick?
[03:50] <Xappe> Bytter_: use #flood instead
[03:50] <shawnz> hey
[03:50] <Bytter_> but, but, but... how do I copy&paste a contents file in console?!? this doesn't quite have a clipboard-manager, right?
[03:50] <intelikey> thomas, system speed related
[03:51] <Bytter_> sorry for my ignorance :(
[03:51] <shawnz> i just installed the nvidia drivers via nvidia-installer from their website
[03:51] <shawnz> (kernel is 12-10-686)
[03:51] <Linuturk> robotgeek, negative, that tutorial didn't work
[03:51] <intelikey> Bytter_, it do if you install gpm
[03:51] <Linuturk> robotgeek, :(
[03:51] <thomas> intelikey, about how long for 300MHz?
[03:51] <shawnz> so i compiled my own kernel module with the nvidia-installer, and now every gl application just shows "Segmentation Fault."
[03:51] <Bytter_> oh... ok.. w8
[03:51] <robotgeek> Linuturk: does it say prism2 ?
[03:51] <tdn> crimsun, ok.
[03:52] <robotgeek> Linuturk: you would have to ignore the usb specific parts
[03:52] <Madpilot> shawnz: do the Nvidia drivers in Ubuntu's repos not work?
[03:52] <shawnz> nope
[03:52] <shawnz> they used to before i reinstalled
[03:52] <tdn> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/467461 (I'll use the ubuntu pastebin next time)
[03:52] <shawnz> apparently they don't now
[03:52] <Gargoyle> {alejandro}, Thanks m8. Your conf and *another* reinstall of the drivers. :)
[03:52] <intelikey> idk thomas but after you are sure it is just hung, give it another half hour.   :)
[03:52] <Moodles> i can't seem to find the cpu temperature anywhere
[03:52] <shawnz> so i uninstalled them and got the nvidia-installer
[03:52] <shawnz> Moodles: apt-get install mbmon && mbmon
[03:53] <thomas> hehe...ok intelikey I'll be back in an hour or so :P
[03:53] <Gargoyle> {alejandro}, 6868 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1373.600 FPS
[03:53] <Gargoyle> :)
[03:53] <{alejandro}> Gargoyle yay opengl fun
[03:53] <Linuturk> robotgeek, i guess that was the problem :( also, i couldn't edit the files it asked me too. i'm using XFCE, and the filemanager in the main menu wouldn't open. when i did get it open, i was able to write to the second file, but i couldn't save it
[03:53] <Gargoyle> :)
[03:53] <Linuturk> i couldn't find the first file :(
[03:53] <Moodles> shawnz: thanks
[03:53] <shawnz> no problem Moodles
[03:53] <{alejandro}> Linuturk, use xffm for the filemanager
[03:53] <Linuturk> robotgeek, i could install the app though
[03:53] <Gargoyle> shit.. 3am
[03:53] <robotgeek> Linuturk: is it a prism2 card?
[03:54] <Gargoyle> thanks again. cya!
[03:54] <Linuturk> robotgeek, yes
[03:54] <shawnz> Madpilot: no idea?
[03:54] <crimsun> tdn: ah, it's not setting pairwise or groupwise
[03:54] <robotgeek> Linuturk it's a pcmica?
[03:54] <Linuturk> robotgeek, yes
[03:54] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:54] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:54] <Madpilot> shawnz: I run ATI myself, I was just asking because the repos are far easier to deal with :)
[03:54] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:54] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:54] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:54] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:54] <tdn> crimsun, I don't know what that means.
[03:54] <Madpilot> theCore: stop, FFS...
[03:54] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:54] <Linuturk> robotgeek, i couldn't find this file /etc/modprobe.conf
[03:54] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:54] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:54] <{alejandro}>     /ignore theCore
[03:54] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:54] <kakei> Hi guys , i have a big trouble i was configuring my nvidia driver and i decide to Reboot now i can't get into KDE i get a Anachronistic Fail or something like that
[03:54] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:54] <robotgeek> Linuturk: no need
[03:54] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:54] <shawnz> indeed Madpilot
[03:54] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:55] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:55] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:55] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:55] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:55] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:55] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:55] <gum67> i gotta load "sb16" somewhere, do you know where ?
[03:55] <Bytter_> (II) Initializing built-in extension XEVIE
[03:55] <Bytter_> error opening security policy file /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[03:55] <Bytter_> (**) Option "CoreKeyboard"
[03:55] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:55] <robotgeek> wtf!
[03:55] <robotgeek> ops
[03:55] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:55] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:55] <theCore> Bytter_ <-- Big fag
[03:55] <Bytter_> bah, #flood, right?
[03:55] <jbroome> kick 'em crimsun
[03:55] <_jason> lol I like how crimsun returns right on time
[03:55] <{alejandro}> kickban the loser
[03:55] <varsendagger> yeah
[03:55] <crimsun> theCore: shut up.
[03:55] <intelikey> is there a way to save settings on the live CD so that it will load the same way next boot ?
[03:55] <shawnz> sad these types get on sympatico
[03:56] <shawnz> :(
[03:56] <robotgeek> Linuturk: hmm, where were we?
[03:56] <Linuturk> robotgeek, so, i should sudo modprobe prism2 ?
[03:56] <shawnz> intelikey: well, not to the CD =p
[03:56] <robotgeek> Linuturk: lsmod | grep prism
[03:56] <gum67> can i ask a question ?
[03:56] <robotgeek> Linuturk: after plugging your card in
[03:56] <_jason> is it possible to make gnome menus expand like in windows?
[03:56] <intelikey> shawnz, of course not.  duh
[03:56] <robotgeek> gum67: right place to do that, jump right in
[03:56] <gum67> i gotta load "sb16" somewhere, do you know where ?
[03:56] <Linuturk> robotgeek, i'm using the card on my windows box right now. i'm going to have leave here, then try the instructions you give me, then come back
[03:56] <{alejandro}> Bytter_ do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg just for kicks
[03:57] <Bytter_> i'm doing a -a
[03:57] <shawnz> intelikey: I know it uses casper-snapshot... try looking up where casper-snapshot keeps the difference file and i guess you can back that up
[03:57] <robotgeek> Linuturk: install the linux-wlan-ng-doc package, comprehensive instructions in there
[03:57] <Bytter_> it's taking ages
[03:57] <{alejandro}> ok
[03:57] <robotgeek> Linuturk: ignore the module compiling parts
[03:57] <shawnz> but i don't know beyond that
[03:57] <Linuturk> robotgeek, i've installed it, where are the instructions?
[03:57] <intelikey> k
[03:57] <tdn> crimsun, can it be fixed?
[03:58] <Linuturk> robotgeek, i'll still have to edit the interfaces file, right?
[03:58] <gum67> robogeek, nobody answered.
[03:58] <Moodles> i ran the "apt-get blah blah" as root, where will it be installed?
[03:58] <robotgeek> Linuturk: /usr/share/doc/linux-wlan-ng-doc
[03:58] <Madpilot> gum67: more details might get you an answer...
[03:59] <tdn> Moodles, it depends what blah blah is.
[03:59] <robotgeek> Moodles: dpkg -L <package>
[03:59] <shawnz> Moodles: you mean mbmon?
[03:59] <Bytter_> zzzZzzzzzZzzzz... in other news... damn... that EU directive just sucks...
[03:59] <Moodles> robotgeek: mbmon
[03:59] <shawnz> it's installed in /usr/bin... just type mbmon
[03:59] <shawnz> its in the path
[03:59] <gum67> Okay, just installed Ubuntu on the hard drive, and last time i did that, i got help loading "sb16" that fixed the sound last time, and also what is the root password ?
[03:59] <Linuturk> robotgeek, but, i'll still have to edit the interfaces file, right?
[03:59] <GlassCasket> I searched Google for this, but didnt find exactly what I was looking for.I have a hardrive with XP and on and I'm getting another drive soon. And want to tripple boot, so one drive has XP and the other drive has two distros. Anyone know of a comprehensize guide of doing so?
[03:59] <robotgeek> Linuturk: i guess so
[03:59] <Linuturk> ok, i'm off to try it
[03:59] <intelikey> !root
[03:59] <ubotu> root is, like, totally, rumour has it, that root is disabled in Ubuntu, actually this means there is no password set for the root account, use sudo when you need admin access, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:00] <mebsd> GlassCasket: grub
[04:00] <BlueEagle> gum67: The root password is not set. Please use sudo.
[04:00] <Linuturk> robotgeek, be back soon
[04:00] <shawnz> gum67: there is no root password. ubuntu is configured so the first user can 'sudo' to root
[04:00] <robotgeek> Linuturk: i'll be here
[04:00] <sproingie> GlassCasket: really easy with grub.  in fact most decent installers these days will detect all your other bootable OS's
[04:00] <gum67> okay, that requires a password right?
[04:00] <sproingie> gum67: yes.  your password.
[04:00] <{alejandro}> gum67, when you installed, you picked one
[04:00] <GlassCasket> Thanks
[04:00] <{alejandro}> it's that
[04:01] <Madpilot> gum67: when Ubuntu asks for a pw - or you use sudo - it's your own pw
[04:01] <Bytter_> yepes... do a sudo bash, and then passwd
[04:01] <DsM> anyone here?????????????
[04:01] <GlassCasket> Where do you get Grub? Or it's already on the Ubuntu DVD?
[04:01] <sethk> DsM, no
[04:01] <BlueEagle> dsm: No.
[04:01] <Madpilot> DsM: nope ;)
[04:01] <DsM> ok
[04:01] <Bytter_> sleeping here
[04:01] <Dr_Willis> ZZZzzz...
[04:01] <intelikey> sudo passwd  to set the root password
[04:01] <shawnz> GlassCasket: GRUB is the application that is used to start linux by default
[04:01] <DsM> well kubuntu is dead.... thats why i ask
[04:01] <Dr_Willis> but really one shouldent need to set the root password. :P
[04:01] <shawnz> a standard install will put grub on the hard drive
[04:01] <gum67> okay the second problem, i found the answer after a bit of a search on the web, but i need to make sure that SB16 module is loaded, THEN i can mess with Alsa/whatever.
[04:01] <robotgeek> intelikey: please don't recommend that
[04:01] <GlassCasket> Oh ok\
[04:01] <BlueEagle> dsm: No it's not. :p
[04:02] <DsM> no one is talking
[04:02] <{alejandro}> yeah
[04:02] <shawnz> haha
[04:02] <{alejandro}> what's with that
[04:02] <shawnz> lots of people are talking
[04:02] <{alejandro}> this room is frenetic with help and wild antics
[04:02] <ryan> is it possible to alter the volume ID on an iso image via mkisofs, rather than having to remake the whole iso?
[04:02] <intelikey> robotgeek, me thinks me will.   when people ask how to set their root password i'll tell them.  thank you.
[04:02] <Bytter_> geezeee. how many questions does dpkg-reconfigure -a really asks?!?!?!
[04:02] <Bytter_> like 100? 200? :D
[04:02] <nickrud> Bytter_, at least that many
[04:02] <{alejandro}> intelikey the idea is to not be confusing
[04:03] <intelikey> Bytter_, depends on the number of packages installed
[04:03] <sproingie> dpkg-reconfigure -a is death by tedium.  i rather don't recommend it
[04:03] <robotgeek> insomnd: i don't see anyone asking?
[04:03] <nickrud> I did that once, and spent about an hour until I got tired, and turned off the machine :)
[04:03] <shawnz> what is dpkg-reconfigure -a
[04:03] <shawnz> all??!
[04:03] <MWettendorff> Anyone here that can explain me how to install a teamspeak client??
[04:04] <Bytter_> i just hope it makes my X go live... why have I done a dist-upgrade... oh why...
[04:04] <shawnz> MWettendorff: just download the binary and run it?
[04:04] <{alejandro}> oh yeah
[04:04] <{alejandro}> haha
[04:04] <robotgeek> intelikey: i don't see anyone asking?
[04:04] <intelikey> shawnz, yes -a = all
[04:04] <sproingie> shawnz: yep.  the manpage specifically warns you it'll take a while too
[04:04] <{alejandro}> Bytter_ are you using dapper
[04:04] <shawnz> heh
[04:04] <Bytter_> yeah...
[04:04] <{alejandro}> aw
[04:04] <varsendagger> ubutnu is more cowbell
[04:04] <{alejandro}> well
[04:04] <theblue> !tell theblue about mp3
[04:04] <sproingie> ubotu: chant
[04:04] <ubotu> sproingie: I give up, what is it?
[04:04] <{alejandro}> back up your important files
[04:04] <Bytter_> "good luck", right? :P
[04:04] <sproingie> whups, wrong channel ;)
[04:05] <{alejandro}> you need to reinstall like everything
[04:05] <Bytter_> what?!?
[04:05] <{alejandro}> to fix dependencies
[04:05] <gum67> well, i'll ask again in 5 minutes, so it doesn't look like i'm flooding.
[04:05] <{alejandro}> I had to install fresh to get rid of dapper
[04:05] <sproingie> that's what you get for using dapper
[04:05] <Bytter_> but.. but.. but... ohhhhhh :(
[04:05] <{alejandro}> oh yeah
[04:05] <{alejandro}> it's bad
[04:05] <mahangu_> how do i create a symlink?
[04:05] <crimsun> tdn: sorry, had some distractions.
[04:05] <{alejandro}> ln
[04:05] <{alejandro}> or link
[04:05] <sproingie> dapper is a development version.  hint, even ubuntu devs don't upgrade it all at once
[04:05] <{alejandro}> yeah
[04:05] <shawnz> mahangu, "ln -s /old/file /new/file"
[04:05] <Bytter_> yeah.. it was stupid, i know..
[04:05] <{alejandro}> I learned that the hard way myself
[04:05] <shawnz> yeah
[04:06] <sproingie> i made a similar mistake with breezy when it was new
[04:06] <shawnz> i tried upgrading to dapper with dist upgrade
[04:06] <{alejandro}> I feel for you here
[04:06] <crimsun> tdn: ok, you need to add "pairwise=TKIP" and "group=TKIP" to your network={} stanza
[04:06] <Bytter_> I just did it 'cause I was driving mad trying to get fglrx working...
[04:06] <shawnz> VERY VERY VERY VERY BAD IDEA
[04:06] <shawnz> had to reformat
[04:06] <tdn> crimsun, okay. No problem :)
[04:06] <{alejandro}> I did it for the firefox 1.5 package
[04:06] <tdn> crimsun, ok
[04:06] <{alejandro}> and the xorg 7
[04:06] <sproingie> shawnz: it'll dist upgrade just fine actually.  to whatever broken state that dapper may be in
[04:06] <Bytter_> ok
[04:06] <Bytter_> what about
[04:06] <Bytter_> dapper flight 2?
[04:06] <{alejandro}> stupid, stupid alex
[04:06] <{alejandro}> eh?
[04:06] <shawnz> sproingie: not exactly
[04:06] <{alejandro}> Bytter_ stick with breezy
[04:06] <Bytter_> lol
[04:06] <{alejandro}> for science
[04:06] <shawnz> the packages are so broken it won't actually dist-upgrade properly the first few times around
[04:06] <shawnz> :(
[04:07] <Bytter_> but I need latest mono... and monodevelop... and banshee :P
[04:07] <sproingie> shawnz: true, i guess if they haven't written migration packages, it can get pretty wedged
[04:07] <GlassCasket> Still one thing I don't really understand. If I wan't two distros on one drive, how will I set upm all opf the partitions?
[04:07] <shawnz> and even when i did it
[04:07] <shawnz> there were still two packages that didn't install
[04:07] <shawnz> then of course, after a reboot, no X, no eth, etc
[04:07] <sproingie> GlassCasket: you make partitions.  using a partition editor like qtparted.
[04:07] <sproingie> GlassCasket: google for "system rescue cd", it has qtparted
[04:07] <Bytter_> shawnz, yaah.. same here
[04:07] <TokenBad> ok back
[04:07] <{alejandro}> I had to reinstall from disk
[04:07] <GlassCasket> Thanks.
[04:07] <{alejandro}> fortunately there was nothing n there
[04:07] <intelikey> GlassCasket, you could have 20 os's on one drive and boot all of them from lilo/grub
[04:08] <shawnz> oh haha
[04:08] <GlassCasket> Yeah
[04:08] <shawnz> that reminds me
[04:08] <shawnz> i had 39 partitions once. all 2gb.
[04:08] <tdn> crimsun, done.... Still not getting any IP :(
[04:08] <sproingie> i don't know that lilo could handle it. far as i know it *still* has high-cylinder issues
[04:08] <crimsun> tdn: does it associate successfully, though?
[04:08] <MWettendorff> shawnz: thx..
[04:08] <tdn> crimsun, how do I tell?
[04:09] <crimsun> tdn: look at the -dd output
[04:09] <intelikey> sproingie, not unless your bios does iirc
[04:09] <tdn> crimsun, ok
[04:09] <mebsd> why so many partitions
[04:09] <{alejandro}> why not
[04:09] <shawnz> well, it was so i could fit every OS ever on them
[04:10] <sproingie> intelikey: ok.. still it's hard to find a bootloader as featureless as lilo
[04:10] <shawnz> i have several flavours of linux and every version of windows minus one and two
[04:10] <shawnz> i got to windows xp home edition before it stopped working
[04:10] <intelikey> maybe that's why i like it sproingie
[04:10] <sproingie> i like syslinux.  the multiple screens are really useful
[04:10] <shawnz> sproingie: isolinux =p
[04:11] <gum67> what do you tell grub to load a kernel ?
[04:11] <sproingie> mostly i like grub because it can actually read a filesystem
[04:11] <shawnz> gum67,
[04:11] <shawnz> root (hd0,0)
[04:11] <sproingie> freebsd's bootloader's the best.  got forth?
[04:11] <shawnz> kernel /boot/kernel-name.z
[04:11] <{alejandro}> my least fave is yaboot
[04:11] <gum67> 2 different things.
[04:11] <{alejandro}> the one for mac
[04:11] <{alejandro}> ick
[04:12] <shawnz> gum67, type both...
[04:12] <tdn> crimsun, as far as I can tell it does not. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5843
[04:12] <nickrud> I like lilo because it doesn't need a filesystem
[04:12] <shawnz> errrrrr
[04:12] <mebsd> lol freebsd can't even identify windows properly
[04:12] <DsM> does anyone know who to talk to about setting up a mirror?
[04:12] <shawnz> DsM: of what...
[04:12] <DsM> ubuntu / kubuntu
[04:13] <shawnz> sigh
[04:13] <shawnz> just make a mirror
[04:13] <shawnz> and email the webmaster.
[04:13] <regeya> really, mebsd?  that's interesting.
[04:13] <mebsd> with frebsd boot loader, windows partition shows as "???", which is dumb
[04:13] <gum67> ls
[04:13] <sproingie> it does just fine with windows.  the installer is what's broken
[04:13] <DsM> is there an rsync server running that i can use a cron job to keep it updated?
[04:13] <gum67> sory
[04:13] <shawnz> that is hardly not identifing mebsd
[04:13] <Davey> argh :/
[04:14] <Davey> my computer is deaded :(
[04:14] <shawnz> thats just "i cbf to go find the name of the os on this partition because it isnt bsd based"
[04:14] <mebsd> freebsd boot loader is simply stupid
[04:14] <mebsd> i rather use grub
[04:14] <mebsd> or netbsd boot loader
[04:14] <sproingie> grub's nicer out of the box for sure
[04:14] <shawnz> lilo can be nice
[04:14] <Bytter_> haven't used lilo since slackware
[04:14] <regeya> my monitor was purple when it came back on a few minutes ago.  one of the color temp settings has gone wonky.
[04:14] <shawnz> with the bmp things and such
[04:14] <sproingie> all i care about bootloaders is that they load and let me pop extra parameters in if i want to
[04:15] <mebsd> lilo is simple, but sux if you have to reinstall it every time you boot kernel
[04:15] <nickrud> lilo is especially nice with bad bioses
[04:15] <DsM> shawnz: no rsync?
[04:15] <shawnz> you don't mebsd...
[04:15] <mebsd> and you have chance to unable to boot kernel
[04:15] <{alejandro}> hm
[04:15] <sproingie> lilo results in unbootable boxen because it can't find kernels in the filesystem
[04:15] <shawnz> i was trying to make an Ubuntu/kfreebsd before
[04:15] <Bytter_> true, very true...
[04:15] <shawnz> with no success =o
[04:15] <sproingie> that imho makes it fail at the job of a bootloader
[04:16] <intelikey> sproingie, then lilo should be your fave  cause adding extras is as easy as just typing ' extras <enter>'
[04:16] <rage_> sorry all, my brother taken over my account; i lefted my xchat session
[04:16] <rage_>           open while I was outside, i'm really sorry
[04:16] <sethk> lilo has advantages in some situations.  For example, lilo can boot a kernel without understanding the file system on which the kernel is stored.
[04:16] <rage_> (theCore)
[04:16] <sethk> grub is generally easier to manage, but lilo works in situations that grub can't handle.
[04:16] <Lord_Athur> can I download all the code (source) of a distro to modify it?
[04:16] <shawnz> :o
[04:16] <shawnz> really sethk
[04:16] <sproingie> i thought grub could handle a raw sector as well.  maybe i'm wrong
[04:16] <shawnz> how does it manage that?
[04:17] <mebsd> grub works in situations that lilo can't handle
[04:17] <sethk> shawnz, by storing the block number (on the disk) where the kernel is located
[04:17] <intelikey> Lord_Athur, sure but why ?    it's like a billion million bites
[04:17] <sethk> mebsd, untrue
[04:17] <shawnz> cool
[04:17] <{alejandro}> Lord_Athur except for binary kernel modules, that's kinda the idea behind any debian based distro
[04:17] <{alejandro}> ubuntu is no exception
[04:17] <sproingie> ubuntu's default grub hosed me because my root fs was xfs, and the grub that came with ubuntu didn't understand xfs
[04:17] <crimsun_> tdn: any luck?
[04:17] <sproingie> installer didn't so much as peep either
[04:17] <Xappe> rage_: punish him
[04:17] <sproingie> hopefully that's been fixed
[04:18] <sethk> sproingie, yes, the installer should pick that up, I'd submit a bug if it isn't fixed yet.
[04:18] <sproingie> tho my /boot is still ext3
[04:18] <bnD> hi, wondering if anyone could tell me a command to remove kde?
[04:18] <tdn> crimsun_, no :( I don't think so... I have pasted the -dd output...
[04:18] <crimsun_> tdn: url?
[04:18] <Lord_Athur> then where can I download it from?
[04:18] <Bytter_> apt-get remove kde
[04:18] <nickrud> bnD, sudo apt-get remove libqt3-mt
[04:18] <mebsd> wtf you talking about, sethk, can lilo boot xen kernel as module?
[04:18] <tdn> crimsun_, my earlier msg: crimsun, as far as I can tell it does not. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5843
[04:18] <bnD> thanks guys
[04:18] <regeya> omgwtf
[04:18] <nickrud> bnD, that gets about 95% I think
[04:18] <intelikey> Lord_Athur, the repos  src
[04:19] <sethk> mebsd, you know full well you are mixing apples and oranges and that question is meaningless trolling
[04:19] <sproingie> Bytter_: kde is just a metapackage.  removing libqt will pretty much get everything kdeapps/libs/games/etc depends on
[04:19] <ClayG> wget wikipedia.org
[04:19] <bnD> nickrud, thanks :) what i was looking for
[04:19] <ClayG> I wonder what that would "weigh"
[04:19] <bnD> get it all off!
[04:19] <{alejandro}> Lord_Athur it might be wiser to start with debian though since there are more packages
[04:19] <shawnz> good idea ClayG!
[04:19] <regeya> bnD: search for libqt and remove it; the most thorough way of removing kde EVAR.
[04:19] <mebsd> stupid newbie, grub is more advanced than lilo
[04:19] <nickrud> bnD, I should make a ubuntu factoid of that :)
[04:19] <ClayG> it is actually
[04:19] <mebsd> it's not apple and orange questions
[04:19] <{alejandro}> uh oh
[04:19] <regeya> bsd users are rude
[04:19] <{alejandro}> !holywar
[04:19] <ClayG> i wonder how much content it really has
[04:19] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, {alejandro}
[04:19] <regeya> !start an os war
[04:19] <ubotu> regeya: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:19] <sproingie> if you installed kubuntu-desktop with aptitude, removing it with aptitude will remove all of kde
[04:19] <regeya> blast!
[04:19] <{alejandro}> GRUB VS LILO
[04:19] <sethk> mebsd, of course it is, turkey.  I've been running unix much longer than you've been alive, so don't give me your newbie bs
[04:19] <sproingie> but that's not the usual case
[04:20] <Davey> OK, so heres the deal, my roomie and I had the exact same computers, *identical*, my wifes died so I gave her mine, he bought a new one and I got his (this is over the course of a week, its complex, just deal :), now I've put my drives back into my box, and when Ubuntu loads, I get the splash screen it says "Loading Modules" and then dumps to this (yes, I wrote it all out, LOL) http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=5719
[04:20] <_jason> bnD, I removed kde earlier today, remove the package libqt3-mt
[04:20] <shawnz> NTDETECT.COM FOR THE WIN
[04:20] <Davey> any ideas?
[04:20] <regeya> !start an editor war
[04:20] <ubotu> joe is better than xemacs.
[04:20] <bnD> yay, gaining 300 mb of space
[04:20] <ClayG> I mean since when you think about it , you would figure all is text(html) and at a byte per character it would be difficult to fill a 80gig harddrive that way
[04:20] <crimsun_> tdn: you're _positive_ you use TKIP with WPA?
[04:20] <Bytter_> if you really want a war, use the following keywords out loud in public: "LINUS" "GNOME" "KDE" :P
[04:20] <bnD> nickrud, _jason thanks :)
[04:20] <nickrud> and a apt-get remove libglib2.0-0  as well ;P
[04:20] <Lord_Athur> [{alejandro}]  do I have to download each package source?
[04:20] <intelikey> !start a desktop war
[04:20] <ubotu> fluxbox is much better than kde!
[04:20] <regeya> well no doubt, joe *is* better than xemacs.
[04:20] <sproingie> i guess the bot needs "start a bootloader war" now
[04:20] <{alejandro}> Lord_Athur why do you want to
[04:20] <Lord_Athur> mm
[04:20] <regeya> joe has no aspirations to be anything other than an editor.
[04:20] <{alejandro}> Lord_Athur are you making a custom distro
[04:20] <sproingie> !start a distribution war
[04:20] <ubotu> sproingie: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:20] <sproingie> !start a distro war
[04:20] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, sproingie
[04:20] <sproingie> huh
[04:21] <crimsun_> tdn: you can try resetting ap_scan=1
[04:21] <regeya> Bytter_, I agree with Linus, totally, and I'm using GNOME ATM
[04:21] <mebsd> sethk: you are simply newbie..
[04:21] <Lord_Athur> [{alejandro}]  I'm learing it
[04:21] <bnD> nickrud, im considering removing gnome as well, im using fluxbox atm, but dont want to be stranded i spose ;P
[04:21] <{alejandro}> Lord_Athur sure you could theoretically but it is such a pain in the arse
[04:21] <sethk> mebsd, flamer
[04:21] <bnD> the girlfriend needs something to use when shes here
[04:21] <regeya> like ubuntu, don't like the current mild-but-annoying bugginess of the kde packages
[04:21] <sethk> bnD, it would really be more trouble than it is worth
[04:21] <{alejandro}> Lord_Athur look into roll-your-own distro sites
[04:21] <bnD> sethk, :)
[04:21] <regeya> also totally agree with linus's assessment of the print dialogs and the reasons for not changing them
[04:22] <_jason> {alejandro}, which ones would you recommend
[04:22] <regeya> but I know, I know; I'm not a common gnome user because, hey, I'm on IRC, duh
[04:22] <Bytter_> LOL
[04:22] <tdn> crimsun, yes. TKIP it says.
[04:22] <Bytter_> I also agree with the assessments of too few preferences
[04:22] <Bytter_> but I stop there
[04:22] <regeya> common gnome users, um, I dunno, maybe they're the dimwits who throw away files to free up RAM.
[04:22] <crimsun> tdn: then try reverting ap_scan
[04:22] <shawnz> linus has lost sight of linux tbh
[04:22] <sproingie> i think linus takes it a bit far, but he was venting his frustration
[04:22] <Bytter_> gnome guys are doing a good job in terms of usability... they just don't like preferences :P
[04:22] <{alejandro}> there was a good article on o'reily
[04:22] <shawnz> its about choice, not functionality
[04:22] <{alejandro}> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5201
[04:22] <nickrud> regeya, the print dialog (according to stuff on planet.gnome.org) is simply not finished, the lack of configuration was not a design decision.
[04:22] <Davey> nobody can help me? :/
[04:22] <Bytter_> a bit far???
[04:22] <regeya> what's the metric to determine who the average user is?
[04:22] <Bytter_> dude
[04:22] <Lord_Athur> [{alejandro}]  a??? where is it? have you got an itnernetaddress?
[04:22] <Bytter_> if he wasn't linus
[04:22] <{alejandro}> Lord Athur http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5201
[04:23] <mebsd> sethk: can lilo load xen kernel and load linux kernel as moudle? or you don't know what i'm talking about? newbie
[04:23] <Bytter_> everyone would just simply be snapping him for his language...
[04:23] <DRAGON_Ultra> Gnome rocks here and KDE sucks
[04:23] <Bytter_> even if he had a point!
[04:23] <bnD> anyone recommend anything commonly not used that takes up some space and is included in the default installation?
[04:23] <tdn> crimsun, SSID=heartofgold, SSID-broadcast: No, Mode: WPA Personal, Algorithm: TKIP
[04:23] <tdn> crimsun, ok
[04:23] <sethk> mebsd, I have no intention of encouraging you, so you might as well save your typing fingers
[04:23] <l0s3rk1d> hello i tried the ubuntu live cd.. ihad problems starting X
[04:23] <regeya> nickrud, huh.  I'd think that standard dialogs would be a pretty high priority, though.  *shrug*
[04:23] <shawnz> the point isn't that people who use easy interfaces are wussies or whatever
[04:23] <sproingie> yes, only a bit far.  going further would be to, i dunno, overtly act to damage or obstruct gnome.  he expressed an opinion on a list.
[04:23] <DsM> so what are the drawbacks of KDE... or GNOME... who should use which version
[04:23] <shawnz> easy is THERE, so why take the hard road
[04:23] <mebsd> kernel /xen.gz dom0_mem=400000 noreboot
[04:23] <mebsd> 	module /vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.1074_FC4xen0 ro root=/dev/XXX
[04:23] <mebsd> 	module /initrd-2.6.10-1.1074_FC4xen0.img
[04:23] <bnD> kde = shiny
[04:23] <{alejandro}> wait that wasn't it
[04:23] <{alejandro}> shoot
[04:23] <{alejandro}> there was a long one
[04:23] <Bytter_> an opinion? loool
[04:23] <mebsd> can lilo do that, fcking newbie
[04:23] <shawnz> DsM: kde has every option ever
[04:23] <sproingie> DsM: they're broken in places that windows isn't, and work in places where windows is broken
[04:23] <Bytter_> he called FUCKING IDIOT
[04:24] <nickrud> regeya, well, since I don't code anymore, I'm not gonna complain too much about who does what :)
[04:24] <shawnz> DsM: and gnome has no options anywhere
[04:24] <regeya> DsM: KDE = complete but cluttered.  GNOME = polished but incomplete.
[04:24] <gum67> okay the second problem, i found the answer after a bit of a search on the web, but i need to make sure that SB16 module is loaded, THEN i can mess with Alsa/whatever.
[04:24] <{alejandro}> Lord_Athur that wasn't it
[04:24] <{alejandro}> my bad
[04:24] <tdn> crimsun, now something happens!
[04:24] <bnD> regeya, good answer ;P
[04:24] <regeya> nickrud: as a non-programmer I don't want to, but as a user :-)
[04:24] <nickrud> lol
[04:24] <intelikey> mebsd, do us all a favour and shut up.
[04:24] <Madpilot> regeya: that should be "incredibly cluttered", not merely "cluttered" :)
[04:24] <regeya> intelikey, BITER
[04:24] <regeya> heh Madpilot
[04:24] <crimsun> tdn: does ''sudo ifup eth1'' give you a lease?
[04:24] <gum67> well, i'll come back later, maybe it won't be as busy.
[04:25] <{alejandro}> Lord_Athur http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2691
[04:25] <sproingie> i think the only other person who cared about bootloaders was me, and i stopped caring in this context a while ago
[04:25] <shawnz> KDE looks bad and is full of useless options that no one ever uses
[04:25] <Madpilot> gum67: this is pretty standard for #ubuntu...
[04:25] <shawnz> Gnome looks amazing and is hardly customizable without heavy changes
[04:25] <bnD> well i know how 450 mb free on a 7gb drive, dunno wtf all the space went :/
[04:25] <bnD> now*
[04:25] <_jason> gum67, more bust means more eyes to see your question and help
[04:25] <Bytter_> nevertheless, I like options...
[04:25] <sproingie> i regret even bringing it up
[04:25] <Bytter_> and I like gnome
[04:25] <shawnz> the reason i don't like KDE is because
[04:25] <regeya> sproingie, same here.  for one thing I only run one OS on this machine...why worry...
[04:25] <mebsd> intelikey: you are speaking for all people here?
[04:25] <sethk> shawnz, I disagree with you about KDE options.  I also disagree that it is cluttered.  If I install the things I need, I don't find it cluttered.
[04:25] <shawnz> the options are there to ajust the way it looks... right....
[04:25] <Bytter_> I think that gnome should have a way to be more costumizable for power users...
[04:25] <shawnz> but either way, it looks bad
[04:25] <Lord_Athur> thanks everyone
[04:26] <bnD> im really enjoying fluxbox more than i did gnome or kde
[04:26] <bnD> its very quiet
[04:26] <mebsd> fluxbox is good
[04:26] <nickrud> Bytter_, have you ever played with gconf-editor?
[04:26] <shawnz> no love for E though
[04:26] <Bytter_> nickrud , sure...
[04:26] <sproingie> i find some parts of kde to be cluttered.  other parts not.  i find it a more palatable poison than not having the functionality at all
[04:26] <Bytter_> nickrud : do you find it funny?
[04:26] <shawnz> its more customizable than kde but its impossible to change anything at the same time
[04:26] <AlexW> Hi, I'm having a little bit of trouble installing ubuntu. For some odd reason, when I reach the first installation screen (boot options), the whole thing freezes. I checked the md5 of the .iso, and burnt the CD a second time. I still had the same problem. Could anybody please help me out? Thanks.
[04:26] <regeya> ubuntu uses grub, I only single-boot, but when I used gentoo I used lilo 'coz I was lazy; a 'make install' in the kernel dir even updated my configuration and re-ran lilo for me.  I was happy.
[04:26] <nickrud> funny?
[04:26] <{alejandro}> XFCE hardcoooooore
[04:26] <varsendagger> hey
[04:26] <Bytter_> nickrud : the same way i played with windows register, but even that way, I do prefer some UI preferences
[04:26] <shawnz> indeed
[04:26] <bnD> Alex, do you use a radeon video card?
[04:26] <shawnz> xfce for the win
[04:26] <Madpilot> everyone - #ubunt-offtopic exists for discussing distros, Linus's pronouncements, or other stuff...
[04:27] <Bytter_> register = registry
[04:27] <bnD> AlexW, do you use a radeon vid card?
[04:27] <regeya> bnD: fluxbox is awesome.
[04:27] <AlexW> yep
[04:27] <bnD> regeya, <3
[04:27] <Bytter_> LOL
[04:27] <Bytter_> Madpilot, lololol
[04:27] <regeya> oy vey.  I brought up gentoo in passing reference and the offtopic police come out
[04:27] <AlexW> radeon x800 pro
[04:27] <{alejandro}> oh dear
[04:27] <varsendagger> nickrud, started esound but it gave me an error
[04:27] <bnD> ubotu tell AlexW about ati
[04:27] <nickrud> Bytter_, I was simply not sure if you were aware that there are a few things there.
[04:27] <AlexW> haha, thanks
[04:27] <{alejandro}> wait you dudes have that?
[04:27] <bnD> AlexW, that should solve it
[04:27] <sethk> regeya, make install is capable of updating grub.
[04:27] <bnD> ;)
[04:27] <tdn> crimsun, it did! But then I lost my ssh connections...
[04:28] <DsM> fluxbox work on ubuntu very well?
[04:28] <Moodles> whats the cmd to unload modules?
[04:28] <bnD> DsM, yes
[04:28] <shawnz> ubotu tell shawnz about ati
[04:28] <regeya> sethk: didn't realize it at the time. :-}
[04:28] <sethk> Moodles, rmmod
[04:28] <crimsun> tdn: ok, so your config is finally correct. :)
[04:28] <{alejandro}> AlexW if that doesn't work I have an xorg.conf you can look at
[04:28] <Moodles> thanks
[04:28] <varsendagger> nickrud, would you like to see it
[04:28] <tdn> crimsun, maybe this is because the packets are going through the wlan in stead ?
[04:28] <nickrud> varsendagger, sure
[04:28] <tdn> crimsun, cool!
[04:28] <Bytter_> 30minutes+ for dpk-reconfigure -a... argh....
[04:28] <crimsun> tdn: yep
[04:28] <intelikey> i like gentoo    i'v only installed it on mdk but it's the gui side of mc  so to speak.
[04:28] <AlexW> ok
[04:28] <varsendagger> ** WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (default): Device or resource busy
[04:28] <regeya> intelikey, not *that* gentoo :->
[04:28] <crimsun> tdn: so, next time you'll start wpasupplicant, then sudo ifup eth1
[04:28] <varsendagger> sorry guys
[04:28] <{alejandro}> AlexW http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5839
[04:28] <tdn> crimsun, Does wpa_supplicant start automagically now on bootup?
[04:28] <bnD> gentoo on mdk?/ what?
[04:28] <crimsun> tdn: it does
[04:28] <{alejandro}> tdn it does for me
[04:29] <regeya> bnD: the gentoo filemanager
[04:29] <nickrud> varsendagger, one line is cool, you could have just typed it :)
[04:29] <bnD> ooh
[04:29] <bnD> i was so lost
[04:29] <regeya> gentoo filemanager == rawk
[04:29] <crimsun> tdn: we've changed it in Dapper so that it starts when the card is detected, which is a bit faster
[04:29] <{alejandro}> regeya I miht try gentoo some time
[04:29] <tdn> crimsun, ok. But I need to manually run ifup eth1 to get an ip on it?
[04:29] <varsendagger> ... it was two there was onother part
[04:29] <{alejandro}> I just don't wanna spend all my time compiling crap
[04:29] <regeya> on another note, I couldn't help but notice that tkdesk is semi-current
[04:29] <tdn> crimsun, ok.
[04:29] <varsendagger> nickrud, any ideas?
[04:29] <nickrud> varsendagger, like I said, sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. I'm sure there's a reason, but I never really looked into it.
[04:29] <crimsun> tdn: it's racy, unfortunately.
[04:29] <intelikey> bnD, i think gentoo (fm)  predates gentoo (dist) iirc
[04:29] <crimsun> tdn: I didn't have time to fix it for Breezy
[04:30] <gum67> did someone mention my nick ?
[04:30] <regeya> intelikey, yeah
[04:30] <tdn> crimsun, okay.
[04:30] <tdn> crimsun, thanks a lot for the help!
[04:30] <bnD> intelikey, didnt know that ;)
[04:30] <crimsun> tdn: np
[04:30] <regeya> I honestly thought about using fluxbox, tkdesk, and using emacs for everything else.  I think I'm ill.
[04:31] <bnD> lol
[04:31] <tdn> crimsun, I'll go to bed now. It's 4:33am here... I've been up almost 22 hours now :(
[04:31] <crimsun> tdn: I hear that, going on 2 days myself.
[04:31] <Bytter_> ohhh... my youth days :P
[04:31] <tdn> crimsun, hehe. Okay. Get some sleep mate! :)
[04:31] <intelikey> regeya, not untill you remove X and go console comando your not.
[04:31] <regeya> crimsun, why the lack of sleep?
[04:31] <varsendagger> regeya, what is tkdesk?
[04:32] <crimsun> regeya: grading finals and other -offtopic stuff.
[04:32] <nickrud> varsendagger, I was lucky to have a decent sound chip on the first machine I installed linux on, so I've never really had any sound problems to learn from
[04:32] <varsendagger> ahh
[04:32] <Bytter_> AHHHHHHHH!!!! 35minutes runing dpkg-reconfigure and it crashed, ARGAHGAHG
[04:32] <varsendagger> thanks anyway
[04:32] <AlexW> bnD, {alejandro}, are those links for after i install ubuntu? because right now, i can't install ubuntu. the first screen that i get freezes when i install from a cd
[04:32] <regeya> varsendagger: a crufty old tcl/tk based desktop solution:  http://tkdesk.sourceforge.net/
[04:32] <regeya> I *LOVED* TKDESK
[04:32] <nickrud> regeya, you're a crusty old man already
[04:32] <{alejandro}> AlexW, well, that would be Bad
[04:32] <nickrud> tkdesk, I tried that with suse 6.3
[04:32] <AlexW> yep :P
[04:32] <gum67> okay the second problem, i found the answer after a bit of a search on the web, but i need to make sure that SB16 module is loaded, THEN i can mess with Alsa/whatever.
[04:32] <regeya> MORE OVALTINE PLS
[04:33] <{alejandro}> AlexW are you getting a terminal mode
[04:33] <{alejandro}> can't start
[04:33] <{alejandro}> x
[04:33] <regeya> everything in TkDesk was scriptable.  EVERYTHING.
[04:33] <{alejandro}> AlexW or install is all dead
[04:33] <AlexW> the install is all dead
[04:33] <regeya> I wish I had my old fvwmrc.  I had *tight* integration.
[04:33] <bnD> my friend fixed with an option for resolution
[04:33] <varsendagger> regeya, that is why i like fluxbox,,, (i know not everyting is scriptable but a lot of it)
[04:33] <{alejandro}>  daum
[04:33] <{alejandro}> dayum
[04:34] <gum67> i'll check back later when it's not so busy.
[04:34] <{alejandro}> AlexW where
[04:34] <AlexW> i can only get to the first screen with the ubuntu logo + the boot arguments
[04:34] <AlexW> then that freezes
[04:34] <AlexW> and i have to restart my machine
[04:34] <Toran> Hey guys, is there any gnome equivalent for kolourpaint?
[04:34] <bnD> add the boot argument vga=771 AlexW see if that does it for the install
[04:34] <{alejandro}> AlexW which iso are you using and which architecture
[04:34] <nickrud> gum67, check on the alsa-project.org site for which alsa module supports the SB16, then lsmod | grep snd to see if it's loaded
[04:34] <AlexW> the install iso for i386
[04:35] <Bytter_> damn, damn, damn... Xserver still can't start
[04:35] <AlexW> ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[04:35] <bnD> my buddy with an ati card just had the same issue AlexW he used vga=771 for the install, then followed the info for getting the driver installed, worked out fine
[04:35] <crimsun> gum67: the sb16 is handled by snd-sb16
[04:35] <Bytter_> better yet, it starts, shows the cursor, and then crashes
[04:35] <AlexW> bnD, i can't type at that screen, though
[04:35] <{alejandro}> hm
[04:35] <{alejandro}> AlexW take it out
[04:35] <bnD> you cant add the boot argument?
[04:35] <AlexW> nope
[04:35] <bnD> :O
[04:36] <{alejandro}> and use the onboard
[04:36] <bnD> yeek
[04:36] <regeya> show of hands:  how many of you recall kde being the polished one and gnome being the cluttered mess?
[04:36] <AlexW> i don't have an onboard graphics chip :X
[04:36] <regeya> heh bnD
[04:36] <Bytter_> regeya: let's just forget about that war...
[04:36] <varsendagger> Hand
[04:36] <AlexW> well, then. that sucks for me
[04:36] <nickrud> hand
[04:36] <regeya> you don't count.  you're only a couple of  steps away from being a ratpoison zealot
[04:36] <shawnz> so no one knows why everything is segmentation faulting after running nvidia-installer?
[04:37] <intelikey> regeya, last weak ?
[04:37] <Bytter_> my only regret about existing KDE and GNOME is simple: there are too many too good developers now concentrated in making onething...
[04:37] <munzir> hi gurus, what's the difference if I use domain forwarding or apache ServerAlias to point my 3 domains to one website?
[04:37] <Moodles> lm-sensors didn't do much for me, only displays ram ammount and what type of ram
[04:37] <{alejandro}> AlexW any other cards around
[04:37] <AlexW> unfortunately, no.
[04:37] <regeya> Bytter_, not wanting to war.  just remember those days and watch the current wars with amusement thinking, "dang, how quickly everyone forgets."
[04:37] <intelikey> bbl
[04:37] <shawnz> munzir: well, first off, apache serveralias only works in apache, not every port and service
[04:37] <Bytter_> but I highly doubt that we would see a KNOME or a GNODE soon
[04:37] <{alejandro}> well shite
[04:37] <AlexW> :)
[04:38] <Madpilot> Moodles: install ksensors - it seems to work better for desktop display than xsensors w/ lm-sensors backend
[04:38] <varsendagger> rat poison is great, if you lkie rat poison you should try enlightnement
[04:38] <{alejandro}> what can I say
[04:38] <{alejandro}> Dare I ask if windoze works
[04:38] <Bytter_> regeya : yeah, i know...
[04:38] <AlexW> bahah
[04:38] <varsendagger> ha ha
[04:38] <gum67> i forgot your nick.
[04:38] <{alejandro}> varsendagger evilwm to the max
[04:38] <shawnz> windoze
[04:38] <shawnz> we've got a live one
[04:38] <{alejandro}>  haha
[04:38] <gum67> anyway, i know it's the <sb> module, but forget where to put the 'sb'
[04:38] <{alejandro}> I am not that bad
[04:38] <AlexW> thanks anyway, {alejandro}. i'll have to see if one my friends has an old card laying around
[04:38] <varsendagger> gum67, who are you talking to?
[04:38] <AlexW> bye
[04:38] <gum67> i forgot
[04:38] <{alejandro}> bye
[04:39] <gum67> i think you Varsen
[04:39] <varsendagger> bye
[04:39] <crimsun> gum67: snd-sb16
[04:39] <varsendagger> probably not
[04:39] <varsendagger> theCore, you are back
[04:39] <gum67> okay.Crimsun
[04:39] <theCore> varsendagger, yep
[04:39] <gum67> Crimsun, where does it go ?
[04:39] <{alejandro}> dudes, it was his brother
[04:39] <varsendagger> ahh
[04:40] <theCore> varsendagger, i left my session wide open
[04:40] <varsendagger> your brother should learn som manners
[04:40] <crimsun> gum67: just modprobe snd-sb16
[04:40] <crimsun> gum67: does that work?
[04:40] <varsendagger> but you are cool
[04:40] <gum67> okay, i'll try.
[04:41] <{alejandro}> man
[04:41] <{alejandro}> after all this
[04:41] <{alejandro}> still no alsa
[04:41] <Bytter_> lol
[04:41] <gum67> Crimsun, that gave lots and lots of errors.
[04:41] <luisito> hello
[04:41] <Bytter_> {alejandro} well... after all this, still no X :P
[04:41] <{alejandro}> Bytter_ I feel the hurt
[04:42] <{alejandro}> Bytter_ you gotta suck it up and go back to breezy
[04:42] <bnD> can someone tell me a cmd to see a files size?
[04:42] <{alejandro}> your dependencies will be totally f*cked but oh well
[04:42] <crimsun> gum67: summarise?
[04:42] <Bytter_> yeah :(
[04:43] <crimsun> {alejandro}: what was the last troubleshooting ALSA step?
[04:43] <gum67> Crimsun, i'll copy one.  brb.
[04:43] <luisito> anyone can tell me please the permissions for the /bin folder? mines are drwxr-xr-x and I need to check if it is right 'cause I did a dumb thing.
[04:43] <Bytter_> though I would really love to understand why the hell X just flashed
[04:43] <Bytter_> flashes
[04:43] <{alejandro}> crimsun, aplay
[04:43] <{alejandro}> same thing as the others
[04:43] <gum67> FATAL: Error inserting snd_sb16 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/isa/sb/snd-sb16.ko): Operation not permitted
[04:43] <Bytter_> and the only error is the missing SecurityPolicy
[04:43] <{alejandro}> I get a second of sound on 0,1
[04:43] <_jason> bnD, du
[04:43] <{alejandro}> and poof
[04:43] <sethk> Bytter_, what triggers it to flash?
[04:43] <gum67> oh, should have used sudo
[04:43] <crimsun> gum67: you ran that as ''sudo modprobe snd-sb16'', correct?
[04:43] <gum67> nope
[04:43] <gum67> brb.
[04:43] <Bytter_> sethk : running it ;) startx
[04:43] <{alejandro}> good luck
[04:44] <sethk> Bytter_, it just flashes periodically?
[04:44] <crimsun> {alejandro}: /proc/asound/cards contents?
[04:44] <Bytter_> sethk : it flashes with the greyish typical start screen, shows the cursor, and crashes...
[04:44] <gum67> Crimsun that came back without errors.
[04:44] <Davey> anybody have any ideas what this means? http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=5719
[04:44] <Bytter_> sethk : nope.. can't start up...
[04:44] <sethk> Bytter_, what's in the X log?
[04:44] <crimsun> gum67: good, cat /proc/asound/cards
[04:44] <Bytter_> sethk two errors
[04:44] <Bytter_> sethk one about missing SecurityPolicy
[04:44] <{alejandro}> 0 [rev70          ] : VIA8237 - VIA 823x rev70
[04:45] <{alejandro}> VIA 823x rev70 with ALC655 at 0xd400, irq 22
[04:45] <Bytter_> sethk /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy (the xserver dir doesn't even exist here)
[04:45] <crimsun> {alejandro}: in ''amixer'' output, you should see something (4) related to DXS at the bottom
[04:45] <{alejandro}> ok
[04:45] <Bytter_> sethk : and another one saying that FPE (/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc) refcount is 2, should be 1
[04:45] <sethk> Bytter_, yes, that directory is spurious.
[04:46] <sethk> Bytter_, the second one is the one you care about
[04:46] <gum67> Crimsun that came back with the info
[04:46] <sethk> Davey, that URL doesn't resolve
[04:46] <crimsun> {alejandro}: if you do see those DXS items, then you probably need to use an ac97_quirk or a dxs_support parameter
[04:46] <gum67> crimsun the good info.
[04:46] <gum67> just like the old trusty creative labs sb16.
[04:46] <{alejandro}> crimsun amixer | grep dxs shows nothing
[04:46] <crimsun> gum67: ok, and ''amixer'' output onto paste.ubuntu-nl.org?
[04:46] <sethk> Bytter_, refcount problems are usually programming errors.
[04:46] <sethk> Bytter_, what's unusual about your configuration?
[04:46] <{alejandro}> don't see it either
[04:46] <crimsun> {alejandro}: grep -i, since DXS will be capitalised
[04:47] <{alejandro}> ah durr
[04:47] <Bytter_> sethk unusual? in xorg.conf?
[04:47] <{alejandro}> still nothing
[04:47] <{alejandro}> you need the breezy xserver
[04:47] <sethk> Bytter_, in xorg.conf, in your hardware?
[04:47] <{alejandro}> Bytter_
[04:47] <sethk> Bytter_, since this doesn't happen to everyone, I'm asking why it happens to you.
[04:48] <sethk> Bytter_, for an error like that to occur you must be using something in X that isn't typically used.
[04:48] <Bytter_> sethk well.. I'm using an AMD64 3000+, a ATI Radeon 9600XT AGP8x, LCD monitor (Acer 17").... Asus Motherboard...
[04:48] <crimsun> {alejandro}: nothing as in there're no DXS strings?
[04:48] <AzCowboy> Can anyone help me with madwifi and wpasupplicant (or point me to a GOOD howto)?
[04:48] <AzCowboy> I can't get it to associate to an AP.
[04:48] <sethk> Bytter_, amd64 is enough
[04:48] <crimsun> AzCowboy: AP config details?
[04:48] <gum67> Crimsun, i guess that worked.
[04:48] <Bytter_> sethk though I'm using the i386 installation
[04:48] <{alejandro}> crimsun yeah
[04:48] <AzCowboy> WPA PSK, TKIP
[04:49] <sethk> Bytter_, oh, then forget that  :)
[04:49] <Bytter_> ;)
[04:49] <gum67> Crimson will it 'just work' from now on?
[04:49] <Davey> sethk, you're kidding?
[04:49] <AnnonKaiesZi> Does anyone know if ipw2200 works out of the box with Ubuntu?
[04:49] <sethk> Bytter_, radeon drivers are known to be flakey, but I use the radeon drivers on one of my ubuntu boxes
[04:49] <sethk> Davey, no, I got a timeout, couldn't resolve the domain
[04:49] <Davey> I use the fglrx drivers
[04:49] <AzCowboy> crimsun What else do you need to know about it?
[04:49] <Bytter_> sethk : I tried the "ati", "radeon", "fglrx" and "vesa"
[04:49] <Bytter_> none work
[04:49] <{alejandro}> Bytter_ the fglrx driver does NOT work on dapper
[04:49] <{alejandro}> the kernel hates it
[04:50] <Davey> oh FUCK
[04:50] <crimsun> AzCowboy: ok, paste your /etc/default/wpasupplicant and (sanitised) /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf onto paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[04:50] <Davey> GOD DAMMIT!
[04:50] <Bytter_> lol
[04:50] <{alejandro}> I know this from experience
[04:50] <crimsun> Davey: (language)
[04:50] <Davey> they just took my box down to re-locate it to the new data-center :(
[04:50] <Davey> it took me 20 minutes to type that crap out :/
[04:50] <sethk> Bytter_, let me check on which is working on my radeon box.  although I don't think this is something as simple as using the wrong driver.
[04:50] <crimsun> gum67: do you hear sound?
[04:50] <{alejandro}> it's the module
[04:50] <crimsun> gum67: (from the sb16)
[04:50] <gum67> nope
[04:50] <gum67> crimsun nope
[04:50] <Bytter_> yeah, I don't think that either...
[04:50] <l0s3rk1d> anyone kind enough to help me out?
[04:50] <crimsun> gum67: url to amixer output?
[04:50] <{alejandro}> the fglrx module doesn't load in dapper sethk
[04:50] <AnnonKaiesZi> Does anyone know if ipw2200 works out of the box with Ubuntu?
[04:50] <crimsun> AnnonKaiesZi: yes.
[04:50] <gum67> i don't follow that.
[04:51] <AnnonKaiesZi> Thanks, Crim.
[04:51] <crimsun> gum67: did you paste the output from the ''amixer'' command onto http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org ?
[04:51] <sethk> Bytter_, my box with radeon/ubuntu is using "ati"
[04:51] <l0s3rk1d> hello i tried the ubuntu live cd.. ihad problems starting X .. error no screens found( i have pci-e graphic card)
[04:51] <gum67> nope
[04:51] <{alejandro}> sethk are you using breezy
[04:51] <crimsun> gum67: that's a start.
[04:51] <sethk> Bytter_, it's a 9600, although not the same 9600
[04:51] <sethk> {alejandro}, yes
[04:51] <tutu> Hi. is it legal to sell the presses cds that ship.ubuntu.com sends for free?
[04:51] <{alejandro}> sethk and Bytter my radeon 9600 didn't work under dapper
[04:52] <{alejandro}> sethk and Bytter the fglrx module won't load against the kernel
[04:52] <sethk> {alejandro}, interesting
[04:52] <Bytter_> yeah, I figured that out some days ago
[04:52] <{alejandro}> you gotta reinstall
[04:52] <Madpilot> tutu: yes
[04:52] <{alejandro}> or downgrade
[04:52] <Bytter_> before the STUPID dist-upgrade
[04:52] <tutu> Madpilot: do you have an doc that says that?
[04:52] <ArkticWolf> tutu: as fas as i know i don't think you can sell them for proffit
[04:52] <sethk> Bytter_, which kernel are you using after the dist-upgrade?
[04:52] <tutu> well. i couldn't find any that says that it is not legal.
[04:52] <jahshua> http://www.xchat.org/download/  which one of these could be used with kubuntu ?
[04:52] <Madpilot> tutu: the GPL contains no commercial restrictions
[04:52] <Bytter_> 2.6.15-8
[04:53] <Davey> tutu, I imagine you'd get your ass kicked for doing it, but if you sell them for just a couple of bucks to friends and stuff, nobody will care ;)
[04:53] <Madpilot> tutu: and Ubuntu is covered by the GPL
[04:53] <tutu> yes. i am not tlaking about a licensing issue
[04:53] <sethk> Bytter_, I have one box on 2.6.14, but that's not the radeon box
[04:53] <Davey> tutu, the CD label etc is not under the GPL :)
[04:53] <{alejandro}> yeah
[04:53] <AzCowboy> crimsun http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5844
[04:53] <{alejandro}> Bytter try booting in 2.6.12
[04:53] <{alejandro}> you can get it in the repositories
[04:54] <{alejandro}> tell me how that works
[04:54] <tutu> but ubuntu is sending them for free.. and other people are selling them even more expensive than a home made burned cd copy of any other distro
[04:54] <Bytter_> ok.. rebooting...
[04:54] <tutu> Davey: so you think it is not legal to sell them.
[04:55] <sethk> tutu, in most places you can legally sell anything at all, providing that you own it.  You can't make any representations w.r.t. intellectual property, but you can sell the cd itself
[04:55] <tutu> well, it has to say something on the CD.
[04:55] <tutu> well. there is a guy in the local ebay selling ubuntu. and also selling 50+ cds.
[04:56] <tutu> so.. ubutu sent that to them no to resell them.
[04:56] <crimsun> AzCowboy: you still need the -c parameter in /etc/default/wpasupplicant
[04:56] <{alejandro}> I would think that you could sell them
[04:56] <{alejandro}> you can sell debian
[04:57] <crimsun> AzCowboy: err, I see it, n/m
[04:57] <crimsun> AzCowboy: note that you should only have one uncommented OPTIONS= line
[04:57] <AzCowboy> There is only one. the last line.
[04:58] <{alejandro}> golly Davey
[04:58] <{alejandro}> Jesus wouldn't approve
[04:58] <crimsun> AzCowboy: your paste shows two, the first of which is incomplete (hence my comment regarding -c )
[04:58] <Davey> jesus can suck my balls :P
[04:58] <mburns> Where can i find the background picture for ubuntu (as a joke) of a naked girl on a bench?
[04:59] <{alejandro}> I really wanna call myself Goliath right now but I don't have the heart
[04:59] <crimsun> AzCowboy: it's probably just a cutoff
[04:59] <mburns> it might have been posted on digg, but i can't find it
[04:59] <crimsun> AzCowboy: anyhow, it looks like you need the pairwise=TKIP and group=TKIP parameters in your active network={} stanza
[04:59] <Bytter> LOOLOLOLOL
[04:59] <Bytter> Booted 2.4.12
[04:59] <Bytter> couldn't find /dev/md0
[05:00] <Bytter> rebooted with 2.6.15-8
[05:00] <Bytter> and X star
[05:00] <Bytter> started
[05:00] <Bytter> loool
[05:00] <Davey> OK, it looks like my USB is toast. or something. grr
[05:00] <{alejandro}> wacky
[05:00] <Davey> wonder if I unplugged something by accident :/
[05:00] <{alejandro}> that's insane
[05:00] <Bytter> it's the first time I see a window-like reboot-it behaviour
[05:00] <{alejandro}> and delightful
[05:01] <Bytter> ok, i'm now oficially running dapper-head
[05:01] <sethk> tutu, ubuntu can, of course, say anything it likes.  And it won't authorize the sale of the intellectual property.  However, anyone can still sell a CD.
[05:01] <gum67> Crimsun can i /msg ?
[05:01] <sethk> tutu, and there is nothing ubuntu or anyone else can do about it.
[05:01] <crimsun> gum67: keep it in here
[05:01] <Bytter> thankx for the support {alejandro} , sethk , guys...
[05:01] <{alejandro}> bitte
[05:01] <tutu> seth_k: i know. it drives me crazy.
[05:02] <gum67> crimsun, since you suggested the bug report, i guess i've used up your patience ?
[05:02] <KeithWeisshar> how do i upgrade openoffice beta 2 to openoffice final in ubuntu
[05:02] <gum67> i did this 2 weeks ago.
[05:02] <AzCowboy> Fixed the cutoff line in my paste, crimsun... the second options line is in the other file... don't know why it's in both files?
[05:02] <AzCowboy> Added the two pairs, as well.
[05:02] <crimsun> gum67: bug report? when did I suggest that?
[05:02] <Madpilot> KeithWeisshar: the easiest way is to wait for Dapper release in April...
[05:02] <Linuturk> robotgeek, are you still here?
[05:02] <CaptainMorgan> for Breezy, how do you mount /media/windows to read? I tried sudo cd /media/windows to get in but it won't let me. 'cd: command not found'
[05:02] <Bytter> KeithWeisshar or configure synaptic to use dapper :D
[05:03] <gum67> crimsun the output of something to a url.
[05:03] <CaptainMorgan> and write?
[05:03] <crimsun> AzCowboy: ok, so the pairwise=TKIP and group=TKIP are in that network stanza now?
[05:03] <Bytter> dunno if openoffice final are in breezy-backports, though...
[05:03] <gum67> crimsun, i didn't understand that.
[05:03] <ishtvan22> ive been testing my dvd drive because it has been skipping alot
[05:03] <jahshua> http://www.xchat.org/download/  which one of these could be used with kubuntu ?
[05:03] <ishtvan22> hdparm -tT /dev/dvd returns Timing buffered disk reads:  read() failed: Input/output error
[05:03] <AzCowboy> crimsun yes.
[05:03] <Bytter> jahshua : don't download them
[05:03] <ishtvan22> when there is a dvd in the drive
[05:03] <Bytter> jahshua : use synpatic instead
[05:03] <crimsun> AzCowboy: then restart wpasupplicant and reup ath0
[05:03] <ishtvan22> but with a cd it works
[05:03] <KeithWeisshar> should i download the kubuntu cd to switch to kde
[05:03] <Bytter> synaptic*
[05:03] <crimsun> gum67: amixer?
[05:03] <KeithWeisshar> i only have the standard ubuntu cd
[05:04] <crimsun> gum67: in a Terminal, type: amixer
[05:04] <Madpilot> jahshua: XChat should be installed by default - it is w/ Ubuntu, no idea about Kubuntu...
[05:04] <ishtvan22> any ideas?
[05:04] <crimsun> gum67: then paste that output onto http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:04] <regeya> KeithWeisshar, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:04] <{alejandro}> irssi is also there
[05:04] <crimsun> gum67: hurry please, I have to leave in 5 minutes
[05:04] <{alejandro}> if you don't have xchat you can use irssi
[05:04] <{alejandro}> in the terminal
[05:04] <Bytter> ok
[05:04] <Bytter> guys
[05:04] <Bytter> i'm going to get some sleep... 4Am here
[05:04] <KeithWeisshar> is kubuntu available as a dvd
[05:04] <Bytter> take care :D
[05:04] <{alejandro}> rolly
[05:04] <CaptainMorgan> I can never get irssi working... never connects...
[05:04] <{alejandro}> prolly
[05:04] <{alejandro}> but it is the same as the cd
[05:05] <{alejandro}> only it is a dual live/install cd
[05:05] <regeya> pmwiki looks so nice.  too bad it doesn't use a semi-standard markup.
[05:05] <Davey> pmwiki?
[05:05] <CaptainMorgan> folks, how do I get in /media/win ? cd command is not found...
[05:05] <{alejandro}> KeithWeisshar just use the cd because the dvd is a livecd/install combo
[05:05] <AzCowboy> crimsun Doesn't appear to have helped... it's not pulling an IP, and when I use iwconfig, it shows the ssid for a bit, but no mac id for the AP, then it starts scanning the freqs.
[05:05] <Davey> {alejandro}, he might only have DVD-R(W)'s spare
[05:05] <Linuturk> robotgeek, i'm running from a live cd on my newer laptop and using another laptop to chat here. I should be able to follow directions w/o leaving. i tried to find the readme file in the directory you specified, but gunzip couldn't open the readme.debian.gz file. Perhaps you can talk me through it?
[05:05] <Davey> in which case you can't burn a CD ISO to it :/
[05:05] <crimsun> AzCowboy: / gum67: ok, I have to go; I'll be back in 15 minutes.
[05:06] <Linuturk> or anyone else, if he's afk?
[05:06] <KeithWeisshar> does the dvd have extra packages
[05:06] <{alejandro}> no
[05:06] <angsty> I've been looking all over the forums for help on this, but found nothing useful... every time I try to install 5.10, it gets up to a dialog saying "setting up partitions..." then it goes to a blue screen with a grey line at the bottom and stays there. I left it on all night, nothing changed.
[05:06] <{alejandro}> I wish it did
[05:06] <{alejandro}> but it doesn't
[05:06] <angsty> it doesn't get far enough for me to actually choose what partition I want to use
[05:06] <otep> angsty: borked cd?
[05:06] <Linuturk> is there a cd or dvd that can be downloaded that has all the packages on it?
[05:06] <angsty> nope, checked the integrity of the cd
[05:07] <angsty> no problems with it
[05:07] <tdn> One last thing for today... Which package do I need to install to get the most optimized kernel for my CPU? I have a Pentium M.
[05:07] <{alejandro}> Linuturk I suppose you could make one
[05:07] <Davey> Hey angsty ! :)
[05:07] <spanglesontoast> erm why doesn't my serial port mouse work
[05:07] <spanglesontoast> in ubuntu
[05:07] <Linuturk> alejandro, how about my other question?
[05:07] <angsty> I've tried doing it a few different ways.. I have an ext3 partition preformatted that I was going to use, it didn't work that way
[05:07] <angsty> and I tried it with an unformatted partition, same situation
[05:08] <{alejandro}> Linuturk, the one for robogeek?
[05:08] <{alejandro}> can ou repeat it
[05:08] <Linuturk> yes
[05:08] <{alejandro}> because it don't make sense
[05:08] <CaptainMorgan> sorry, nm, found the 5.10 docs..
[05:08] <Linuturk> robotgeek, i'm running from a live cd on my newer laptop and using another laptop to chat here. I should be able to follow directions w/o leaving. i tried to find the readme file in the directory you specified, but gunzip couldn't open the readme.debian.gz file. Perhaps you can talk me through it?
[05:08] <{alejandro}> are you installing from livecd
[05:08] <Linuturk> basically, we were trying to get my MN-520 to work
[05:08] <{alejandro}> why not install cd
[05:08] <Linuturk> my wireless card
[05:09] <{alejandro}> ?
[05:09] <Linuturk> i want to get my card working before I shrink my windows install and all that mess
[05:09] <{alejandro}> ahhhhhh
[05:09] <{alejandro}> ok
[05:09] <sethk> angsty, I had something similar that I worked around.  What happens exactly?  I didn't get the first part of what you were saying.
[05:09] <siriusnova> anyone run Ubuntu on a 1Ghz machine?
[05:09] <KeithWeisshar> should i download the kubuntu cd if i already have the ubuntu cd
[05:09] <Linuturk> i have a harddrive install on a old machine, but it runs way to slow (233 mhz)
[05:09] <sethk> siriusnova, yes, why?
[05:09] <{alejandro}> do you know where the driver is linuturk
[05:09] <tdn> It looks like linux-686 is only for PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV. Is this the same I should use for Pentium M? (I have an IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M and Centrino)
[05:10] <siriusnova> sethk - how does it run? im thinking of buying a thinkpad t23 (1.12ghz) to run Ubuntu
[05:10] <sethk> tdn, pentium M has a separate entry in the kernel processor configuration setting
[05:10] <angsty> sethk it just uh, it dies
[05:10] <angsty> on the installation part where it sets up partitions
[05:10] <Linuturk> alejandro, robotgeek linked me to a tutorial for a usb wireless drive, but i hit a brick wall
[05:10] <spanglesontoast> erm does anyone know why my serial port mouse doesn't work with ubuntu
[05:10] <angsty> I'm assuming it's dying trying to detect what partitions I already have
[05:10] <sethk> siriusnova, I find it adequate as long as I don't load it up with a million programs.  Use a low resource desktop, perhaps fluxbox
[05:11] <sethk> angsty, do you have SATA, or promise IDE?
[05:11] <tdn> sethk, is there no package for it? Am I forced to use the default 386 or compile my own from source?
[05:11] <wuming> why there is no where in ubuntu
[05:11] <angsty> what's promise ide
[05:11] <robotgeek> Linuturk: sorry, i gotta go
[05:11] <{alejandro}> Linuturk link me to it and tell me where you hung
[05:11] <sethk> tdn, I guess not, about the package.  But installing the kernel source and changing that one parameter and rebuilding the kernel is very easy.
[05:11] <Linuturk> robotgeek, it's ok
[05:11] <robotgeek> {alejandro}: /usr/share/docc/llinux-wlan-ng-doc
[05:12] <robotgeek> {alejandro}: readme.debian or something
[05:12] <Linuturk> robotgeek, i couldn't open that file
[05:12] <robotgeek> Linuturk: it's a directory
[05:12] <tdn> sethk, yes. I know... But it takes a lot of time (compiling several megs of code) and I'm on my way to bed :)
[05:12] <Linuturk> no, the readme.debian.gz
[05:12] <sethk> tdn, start the compile and go to bed.  when you wake up, it's done.  :)
[05:13] <{alejandro}> Linuturk I don't have it
[05:13] <wuming> where is the "where" command?
[05:13] <angsty> I have .... one hdd on my primary ide, dvd drive on secondary, and then a pci->ide adapter card for two other ide drives, as well as a pci->scsi drive on an adapter card
[05:13] <sethk> wuming, it's a shell built in
[05:13] <{alejandro}> Linuturk sorry :(
[05:13] <Linuturk> i tried gunzip, but i got a permission denied. even after i changed the permissions to allow me to open it
[05:13] <wuming> sethk: but not in my shell...confused
[05:13] <intelikey> irssi help anyone know how to remove the timestamps ?
[05:13] <angsty> the partition I wanted to install it on is on one of the drives attached to the adapter
[05:13] <sethk> wuming, which shell are you using?  (Not a recursive use of which)
[05:14] <angsty> but it's not even detecting my primary drive, so I'm not sure if switching them around would help much
[05:14] <Linuturk> is there a way to download the linux-wlan-ng package and install it from a usb stick?
[05:14] <robotgeek> Linuturk: zless
[05:14] <tdn> sethk, well... The download takes a lot of time on my net, so my plan was to download the package over the night.
[05:14] <wuming> sethk:bahs
[05:14] <wuming> bash
[05:14] <robotgeek> {alejandro}: apt-get install linux-wlan-ng-doc
[05:14] <sethk> angel2, can you disconnect the PCI/IDE just for the purpose of getting the install going?
[05:14] <sethk> angel2, sorry
[05:14] <sethk> angel2, , can you disconnect the PCI/IDE just for the purpose of getting the install going?
[05:14] <angsty> heh
[05:14] <sethk> angsty, , , can you disconnect the PCI/IDE just for the purpose of getting the install going?
[05:14] <sethk> angel2, sorry again   (:
[05:15] <angsty> yeah I guess I could fiddle around with that stuff
[05:15] <angsty> it's a pain though :|
[05:15] <intelikey> irssi help anyone know how to remove the timestamps ?
[05:15] <sethk> angsty, it is, but I think in this case it is necessary
[05:15] <ElitePete> question: when dapper comes out will i have to reinstall or what?
[05:15] <intelikey> time stamping is so ugly
[05:15] <angsty> in the initial flurry of debug info, it appears to be detecting all the drives
[05:16] <sethk> angsty, yes.  On my box, there is a problem in the BIOS that forks ubuntu up during install if the PCI/IDE is enabled
[05:16] <Linuturk> alejandro, any luck getting the doc with apt-get?  Can we take this to query?
[05:17] <intelikey> when i install apps on the live CD do i need to be ram concious/cautious ?
[05:17] <angsty> er, does that mean I can't use ubuntu at all if I use the pci->ide card?
[05:17] <angsty> because that's not really an option.
[05:17] <skora> hey, I just upgraded from hoary to breezy and X broke :( [on my nvidia card] 
[05:17] <angsty> or is it just during install
[05:18] <sethk> angsty, after the install I used the PCI/IDE
[05:18] <{alejandro}> oh yeah sorry, I am doing other stuff
[05:18] <angsty> hm
[05:18] <sethk> angsty, it is just that partitioning step that has the problem, at least on my box.
[05:18] <intelikey> Davey: why the case modifications ?  :)
[05:18] <angsty> ok
[05:18] <angsty> well, I'm trying to get a dual-boot situation here
[05:18] <skora> I checked on the forums on the nvidia guide, and they said I had to install the linux-headers file, but when I do that, I get unmet dependencies and it wont let me.
[05:18] <Davey> intelikey, its either that of taking a gun to myself, and my wife says I'm not allowed to die.
[05:18] <angsty> at least until ubuntu has stable ntfs rw support
[05:18] <Linuturk> alejandro, do you accept query?
[05:19] <intelikey> Davey: si
[05:19] <wuming> after install php5, where  i can find the php command?
[05:19] <sethk> wuming, usually /usr/bin/php
[05:19] <theCore> angsty, it will probably won't happen
[05:20] <Madpilot> angsty: MS owns NTFS...
[05:20] <angsty> even just auto-detecting of my drives and read-only support would be fine
[05:20] <intelikey> wuming: php<tab-key>
[05:20] <ArkticWolf> wuming: to find any file, run updatedb to refresh list, then locate <filename> to search
[05:20] <angsty> and I know it can handle read-only 'cause I did it before, just involved a lot of terminal ugliness
[05:20] <theCore> angsty, the terminal is not ugly
[05:21] <intelikey> wuming: then use 'which php<whatever> '
[05:21] <wuming> ok
[05:21] <angsty> is too
[05:21] <angsty> it's not 1970 anymore
[05:21] <sethk> angsty, after the install, as long as the "detect off board IDE first" flag is not set, everything works.
[05:21] <angsty> sethk ok
[05:21] <sethk> angsty, in fact, I think the problem is that detect offboard first is set in the install kernel.
[05:21] <angsty> I guess I'll try
[05:21] <Madpilot> angsty: there's a script somewhere that'll mount NTFS automagicially, I think - I'm Windows free, so I haven't looked into it
[05:21] <sethk> angsty, although that's just a theory.
[05:21] <aven> help!
[05:21] <intelikey> what ArkticWolf said works too wuming
[05:21] <angsty> worst case scenario is I lose everything
[05:22] <aven> I accidently messed up my sudo
[05:22] <aven> I get the error: sudo: /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 1000, should be 0
[05:22] <sethk> Madpilot, angsty after an install ubuntu has automatically set up NTFS partitions in fstab, and they are mounted at boot
[05:22] <angsty> which will hurt for about a day and then I'll get over it
[05:22] <theCore> angsty, even in 2005, the terminal is an essential tool
[05:22] <Aven> anyone know what i need to do?
[05:22] <fletch33> evening all! i just configured wine and my software installed and runs great but i need the program i installed to connect to a usb device and it doesnt seem to be emabled in wine. can some tell me how to configure a usb serial bridge or how to make the usb device work in wine
[05:22] <Aven> I *do* know my root password
[05:22] <sethk> Madpilot, so you don't have to do anything at all, unless (like me) you want to stop them from mounting automatically.
[05:22] <sethk> Madpilot, then you just add noauto to fstab, and presto, you are done.
[05:22] <nickrud> Aven, chown root:root /etc/sudoers as root
[05:22] <sethk> Aven, about what?
[05:22] <intelikey> Aven: as root chown root:root /etc/sudoers
[05:23] <Aven> chown: changing ownership of `/etc/sudoers': Operation not permitted
[05:23] <intelikey> i lag.
[05:23] <Aven> but I can't use sudo
[05:23] <Aven> so I'm not able to use root
[05:23] <Aven> and ubuntu doesn't let me login with root
[05:23] <intelikey> aven you said you know the root password.
[05:23] <Aven> I do
[05:23] <nickrud> Aven, su root
[05:23] <nickrud> Aven, in a terminal :)
[05:23] <jsubl2> su - root
[05:23] <Aven> bash: /bin/su: Permission denied
[05:23] <Aven> I know...
[05:24] <intelikey> then su -    and type the root password
[05:24] <sethk> Aven, you really don't want to change the permissions on that file.
[05:24] <Madpilot> sethk: interesting - I'll keep that in mind if I ever use NTFS again :)
[05:24] <fletch33> anyone help me get a usb com port working in wine
[05:24] <sethk> Aven, why do you think you need to do that?
[05:24] <Aven> ...
[05:24] <Aven> all I'm saying is that I get: bash: /bin/su: Permission denied
[05:24] <nickrud> sethk, he already has, needs to fix it
[05:24] <Aven> er, I mean
[05:24] <intelikey> ah you will have to boot single mode aven
[05:24] <sethk> nickrud, ah
[05:24] <Aven> I get: sudo: /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 1000, should be 0
[05:24] <sethk> Aven, what intelikey said, or boot a rescue cd (which is really the same thing)
[05:24] <Aven> when I type 'sudo -s -H'
[05:25] <sethk> Aven, indeed, that's why you shouldn't have changed it in the first place.  :)
[05:25] <Aven> how do I boot single mode?
[05:25] <nickrud> reboot, and select recovery mode
[05:25] <Aven> how?
[05:25] <intelikey> aven add 1 to the boot args
[05:25] <Aven> as in, what key would I have to hit?
[05:25] <intelikey> E
[05:25] <sethk> Aven, in grub, do e, for edit
[05:26] <sethk> then edit the command line (which is another e, I believe)
[05:26] <sethk> put the "1"' at the end, enter, the b for boot
[05:26] <nickrud> now that's where grub does have it over lilo
[05:26] <skora> hi, can anyone help me with a problem with X starting up after I upgraded from hoary to breezy, I searched the forums, to no avail :/
[05:26] <intelikey> nickrud: hows that ?
[05:26] <Aven> what's grub?...
[05:26] <nickrud> editing the kernel boot line
[05:26] <intelikey> nickrud: bull.
[05:26] <theCore> Aven, lol, it's the bootloader
[05:27] <wuming> that does not work
[05:27] <crimsun> gum67: / AzCowboy: any luck?
[05:27] <nickrud> intelikey, lilo allows one to modify the boot parameters at bootup?
[05:27] <sethk> Aven, what you stuff in your mouth when you are hungry
[05:27] <Aven> question, is there a way to change my uid using the command line?
[05:27] <sethk> nickrud, lilo?  no.
[05:27] <AzCowboy> crimsun Nope.
[05:27] <Aven> sethk: shit?
[05:27] <AzCowboy> Still beating on it.
[05:27] <intelikey> lilo is so easy you don't even have to hit e  just slect the system to boot and start typing the args you want to pass then enter nickrud
[05:27] <crimsun> AzCowboy: ok, need -dd output
[05:28] <sethk> Aven, you've been having breakfast with my ex-wife?
[05:28] <nickrud> intelikey, I used lilo for years and never picked that up :)
[05:28] <intelikey> :)
[05:29] <Aven> hm, so is there a way to change uid permissions using the command line?
[05:29] <intelikey> aven no
[05:29] <sethk> Aven, I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, but whatever it is, the answer is surely no.
[05:29] <Aven> sudo: /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 1000, should be 0
[05:30] <intelikey> or should i say we surely hope there isn't.  Aven  cause if there is. linux is borked fubar
[05:30] <Aven> it says 'uid' really...
[05:31] <sethk> Aven, Actually, I think you may be able to do this:    sudo chown root:root /etc/sudoers
[05:31] <Aven> hahaha
[05:31] <Aven> I told you, I can't use sudo
[05:31] <nickrud> :)
[05:31] <Aven> that's the whole point of this problem :P
[05:31] <mustard5> Aven, you need to login with a root prompt
[05:31] <sethk> Aven, (everyone close your ears) do su, and put in the root password
[05:31] <Aven> and how do I do that?
[05:31] <intelikey> lol maybe ignoring sethk would help........
[05:31] <Aven> bash: /bin/su: Permission denied
[05:31] <Aven>  :P
[05:31] <AzCowboy> crimsun http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5846
[05:32] <mustard5> Aven, you got a live CD?
[05:32] <sethk> Aven, single user or rescue cd boot are your options.
[05:32] <Aven> nope :\
[05:32] <sethk> Aven, or live cd boot, same thing
[05:32] <dracflamloc> hey folks. how can i get fluxbox to integrate with ubuntu so the menus are updated and such?
[05:32] <sethk> Aven, download one
[05:32] <intelikey> aven just boot to single user mode and fix it.
[05:32] <sethk> Aven, or do this:   control-alt-f1    that should give you a login console.  login as root
[05:32] <Aven> intelikey: on startup, I just hit 'e' and usermode is there?
[05:33] <mustard5> Aven, ok..you on breezy?  The rescue mode instructions are in the help menu in the ubuntu starters guide
[05:33] <Siph0n> hey
[05:33] <dracflamloc> anyone??
[05:33] <mustard5> hey Siph0n
[05:34] <Siph0n> neone ever get a message saying that their file system is full? but its not? :)
[05:34] <Siph0n> Klibido is telling me it is full....
[05:34] <Siph0n> df -h tells me i have 27Gb available though
[05:34] <intelikey> aven you hit e and sleect the system to boot then hit e and add the number one '1' to the kernel args and boot.  when booted you will be root.  type 'chown root:root /etc/sudoers && init 6 '
[05:34] <sethk> Siph0n, you have only one partition?
[05:34] <Siph0n> yup....
[05:34] <{alejandro}> night all
[05:34] <crimsun> AzCowboy: please paste your sanitised /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[05:35] <Siph0n> sethk, 2 hard drives, one for windows, one for ubuntu,..... and ubuntu has 27GB free it says :(
[05:35] <sethk> Siph0n, could it be using a ramdisk?
[05:35] <Siph0n> sethk, i dunno.... how i find out?
[05:35] <sethk> Siph0n, when it is running, you can do:   df -h     which will show you all mounted partitions.
[05:36] <AzCowboy> crimsun : Still there at: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5845
[05:36] <sethk> Siph0n, it's also possible that the program is dumb, and displays that message for all disk errors.  (I've seen that.)
[05:36] <Siph0n> sethk: yea i was thinking the same thing with the program being dumb.... tempfs shows 500MB and 400MB free... ill try reinstallin the program.. cause it worked fine before...
[05:37] <intelikey> ah dumb apps.   we like those....  that's why we use(i better shut up right there)
[05:38] <crimsun> AzCowboy: you need to use ''wpa_passphrase ssid ascii_passphrase'' to generate the hex representation of your ascii passphrase, and then place that in psk= without the "s
[05:38] <crimsun> AzCowboy: moreover, you need pairwise=TKIP and group=TKIP
[05:39] <Siph0n> sethk, actaully, it just says there was an error writing to disk, and that probally i am out of space
[05:39] <Siph0n> i dunno... ill try and fix it later....
[05:39] <AzCowboy> Been there, done that.
[05:39] <AzCowboy> I'll try it again, though.
[05:39] <intelikey> raphink: you leave the T out of your nick ?
[05:40] <sethk> Siph0n, that's often a permissions error.  Trying to write to a directory where it doesn't have write privileges
[05:40] <raphink> intelikey: sorry?
[05:40] <raphink> sethk: look on #ubuntu-motu
[05:40] <crimsun> AzCowboy: I presume this is with Breezy?
[05:41] <raphink> brb taking a shower
[05:41] <AzCowboy> See all the network sections that are commented out? They worked flawlessly before.
[05:41] <sethk> raphink, hold on...
[05:41] <AzCowboy> Dapper drake
[05:41] <raphink> I'm in a rush
[05:41] <crimsun> AzCowboy: ugh
[05:41] <raphink> need to take a shower quick
[05:41] <raphink> brb
[05:42] <crimsun> AzCowboy: are you using madwifi-ng?
[05:42] <doubletwist> Anyone here who uses ogg for their music? I need to know if anyone has info on re-encoding or transcoding an ogg file to a lower bitrate.
[05:42] <crimsun> AzCowboy: if so, you're supposed to be using -Dwext, not -Dmadwifi
[05:42] <doubletwist> I can't seem to find anything useful via google. Maybe I'm using the wrong search terms though.
[05:42] <crimsun> AzCowboy: see my comments in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/changelog.Debian.gz
[05:42] <doubletwist> I know it is a "bad idea" but I want smaller ogg files so I can put as many as possible on my portable player for vacation.
[05:43] <crimsun> doubletwist: vorbis->vorbis is fine
[05:44] <doubletwist> except oggenc won't take an ogg file as input.
[05:44] <crimsun> doubletwist: sounds a heck of a lot better than !vorbis<->vorbis
[05:45] <Travis> hey
[05:45] <Travis> anyone here know how to write shell scripts?
[05:45] <crimsun> doubletwist: decode it to stdout and pipe it to oggenc
[05:45] <intelikey> Travis: ask
[05:46] <Travis> I want a shell script that will ask for a username and password, then it will create a linux user with the username and password and a samba user with that username and password
[05:46] <McScruff> hi can anyone tell me how to fix the video- sound sync problem in firefox
[05:47] <mindframe> Travis, make it yourself possibly?
[05:48] <mustard5> McScruff, I'm seeing what I can find on the forum about it
[05:48] <sethk> Travis, for a very simple CLI without error checking, you can use the "read" command to get a line from the user
[05:48] <Travis> I have no clue how to write them
[05:48] <McScruff> mustard5, me too
[05:48] <sethk> Travis, as in xyz=read
[05:48] <Travis> I am semi-new to linux
[05:48] <Travis> yeah
[05:48] <intelikey> Travis: man useradd  for the switches  and what ever samba uses to add users.   then use read to get the input in the script.  it even has a switch for passwords so you dont see what you type in.
[05:48] <sethk> Travis, I'd be more inclined to do it in python.  Ultimately it would be well worth the extra few minutes of effort up front.
[05:49] <Travis> so theres no script out there like that?
[05:49] <mustard5> McScruff, this thread seems to have had a resolution towards the end.... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27359
[05:49] <mindframe> anyone know what gdm uses to automount a usb hard drive?
[05:49] <Travis> I want my samba users to sync with my linux users
[05:49] <McScruff> ty, i will read
[05:49] <sethk> Travis, there is an admin dialog for adding users, of course
[05:49] <intelikey> travis you could write one in 2 minutes
[05:49] <Travis> I couldn't
[05:49] <Travis> someone else could
[05:50] <sethk> mindframe, I'm not sure what you are asking.
[05:50] <mindframe> its not hard really dude
[05:50] <sethk> Travis, you could, you'll just have to devote some time to it.  Set aside an hour or so, and learn a bit about scripting.  Better, spend the hour with python.
[05:51] <Travis> yeah
[05:52] <mindframe> sethk: nevermind i just answered my own question by actually plugging in the power adapter to the usb hard drive
[05:52] <mindframe> durrrr
[05:52] <AlexW> hey guys.  could some of you point me to the pages concerning ati drivers on ubuntu?  forgot to write the links down as i was switching over (too lazy to reboot into winders)
[05:52] <AlexW> sorry to be such a lazy slob
[05:52] <mindframe> i <3 this laptop with fluxbox
[05:52] <mindframe> everything else is doodoo and makes it cry
[05:52] <AzCowboy> Sorry... minor family emergency.
[05:53] <Madpilot> !ati
[05:53] <ubotu> well, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[05:53] <AlexW> thanks, ubotu.  just what i was looking for
[05:53] <jbroome> !botsnack
[05:53] <ubotu> thanks jbroome :)
[05:53] <Madpilot> !ubotu
[05:53] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[05:54] <AlexW> rofl
[05:54] <AlexW> pretty good bot :)
[05:55] <crimsun> AzCowboy: (just as a heads-up, I'm not going to be online much longer tonight)
[05:56] <intelikey> Travis: i never used samba so that part you will have to tweek but [starts here]  #!/bin/bash ;read -p 'enter the name' NAME ;read -sp 'enter the pass' PASSWD ;useradd -p $PASSWD $NAME ;sambasuseraddapp args [ends here] 
[05:56] <tebari> Guys I need some help. My computer sometimes freezes when booting into GDM.
[05:57] <intelikey> freezes ?    will [alt] +[ctrl] +[f1]  still take you to a console or is it hung?
[05:58] <tebari> intelikey,  it's hung
[05:59] <AzCowboy> crimsun Thank you for your help. If I can't get it I'll look for more help later on.
[05:59] <moses> help I think I'm infected with spyware!
[05:59] <AzCowboy> Meanwhile, the examples and things you've told me should help.
[05:59] <McScruff> [04:59]  <moses> help I think I'm infected with spyware! <<LOL, dont run windows then :P
[05:59] <Agrajag> moses: this isn't the place for windows help
[05:59] <McScruff> LOL
[05:59] <moses> oh sorry
[05:59] <McScruff> me and agrajag thinking alike
[06:00] <intelikey> tebari: and it only does that on occation ?
[06:00] <mustard5> I'm reading a thread in the forum where someguy is having a problem with playing DVD's with sound but the screen is black (no picture) anyone seen this problem before?
[06:00] <intelikey> tebari: search the bug list for same mess ?
[06:00] <Maur> Is there an image viewer for Ubuntu/Debian with support for descript.ion files?
[06:00] <moses> does xine/mplayer/etc. playback wmv files
[06:01] <moses> i'm actually not able to playback wmv videos in wmp
[06:01] <Agrajag> not wmv9
[06:01] <Agrajag> but previous versions are fine
[06:02] <tiglionabbit> how come when I say "loadkeys us" it says "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console" ?
[06:02] <tebari> intelikey, yes it's not constant. It normally happens after I update something wich is weird. I know it's not an X problem since I can load into "safe-mode" and do startx from there. I'm going to check out the bug list.
[06:03] <MootPoint> !ati
[06:03] <ubotu> [ati]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[06:03] <moses> huh apperently a open source codec for wmp9 exists
[06:04] <sethk> tiglionabbit, usually that means it is running in the background
[06:04] <intelikey> i need to kill a process on the live CD   is there any way ?
[06:05] <binarydigit> kill
[06:05] <intelikey> nope not even -9
[06:05] <binarydigit> is it a zombie process
[06:05] <moses> how the hell do people manage to reverse engineer something as complex as a video format
[06:05] <moses> i wish i was that smart :(
[06:05] <calamari> hi
[06:05] <tiglionabbit> sethk: what should I do about it?  I'd like to change my keyboard layout at the low level SDL seems to care about
[06:06] <intelikey> binarydigit: well.... i don't know what you clasify zombie
[06:06] <calamari> anyone know of a fast dvd player for Linux?  ogle seems slow.   mplayer doesn't seem to play.. probably haven't set it up right yet
[06:06] <sethk> tiglionabbit, did you try running it from a console logged in as root?  That is, control-alt-f1 to get to a console, log in as root, run it?
[06:06] <tiglionabbit> sethk: it runs from console as a normal user, but not a console under X
[06:06] <moses> "Yes, now even MPlayer can play Windows Media Video 9 (WMV9) and WMA9 files. Get the CVS and fire it. I'm going to sleep.
[06:07] <tiglionabbit> sethk: but I can't run the SDL program under console =P
[06:07] <indigoshift> can anyone here answer a graphics driver question...?
[06:07] <intelikey> 'console under X' is called a 'terminal'
[06:07] <sethk> tiglionabbit, ah, you can get a terminal window that thinks it is a console.
[06:07] <calamari> I was hoping for xine.. but that gives me segmentation fault
[06:07] <tiglionabbit> sethk: how do I do that?
[06:07] <sethk> in KDE there is a menu item for that.  There must be one for gnome, also
[06:07] <sethk> tiglionabbit, it's an argument to the command to start the terminal program.
[06:08] <tiglionabbit> sethk: can you paste the command it calls?
[06:08] <sethk> tiglionabbit, let me look on my machine running KDE, I'll see if I can find the command.
[06:09] <tiglionabbit> sethk: thanks.  You can just pull the launcher out of its menu and check its properties for the command
[06:09] <intelikey> binarydigit: what do you call zombie process ?    it is messing my tty3 & 4 up, there are two of them.
[06:09] <sethk> tiglionabbit, right, on the system that has the command.
[06:09] <tiglionabbit> mmhmm
[06:10] <sethk> tiglionabbit, the problem is, the command is off the session menu on konsole, not off a system menu
[06:10] <tiglionabbit> oh
[06:10] <tiglionabbit> maybe I'll just get konsole then
[06:10] <sethk> tiglionabbit, that might be easier.
[06:11] <tiglionabbit> which kind of session is it?
[06:12] <tiglionabbit> =[  none of em work, same error
[06:12] <intelikey> am i the only one that boots a live cd, sets the root passwd, adds a user, init 1, userdel ubuntu, edits the inittab, init 3, and runs the live cd now in console only mode with no 'ubuntu' user ?
[06:12] <DR_K13> hihi
[06:13] <tiglionabbit> intelikey: why would you do that?
[06:13] <intelikey> i guess i am.....
[06:13] <Amaranth> intelikey: I'd say "yes"
[06:13] <Amaranth> intelikey: Most people run the live cd to fix something or demo ubuntu
[06:13] <intelikey> ah cause i hate gnome with a purple passion.
[06:13] <intelikey> :)
[06:14] <tiglionabbit> intelikey: try k/xubuntu-desktop
[06:14] <tiglionabbit> or a server install
[06:15] <intelikey> that would require installing ub tiglionabbit,  i don't like ub enough to install it.
[06:15] <tiglionabbit> aw
[06:15] <tiglionabbit> but it has so much goodness
[06:15] <tiglionabbit> what do you use then?
[06:15] <intelikey> like gnome ?
[06:15] <intelikey> another linux.
[06:15] <tiglionabbit> what's this gnome hate about anyway.  If you don't like it nobody's forcing you to use it.  There are other desktops out there
[06:15] <intelikey> not going to start a distro war tho
[06:16] <tiglionabbit> you can just tell us what distro it is
[06:16] <shadeofgrey> what up ya'll?
[06:16] <DR_K13> use something else .
[06:16] <intelikey> DR_K13: i do.
[06:16] <AzCowboy> The most interesting thing to happen to me so far is to try to install a piece of software after installing kde 3.5 .... it uninstalled KDE in it's entirety.
[06:16] <shadeofgrey> thanks very much to all the people that make ubuntu possible.  merry christmas / happy holidays
[06:16] <DR_K13> I like Flux
[06:16] <AzCowboy> :-p
[06:16] <shadeofgrey> whats Flux?
[06:17] <AzCowboy> Oh... did I mention it messed up apt?
[06:17] <tiglionabbit> fluxbox desktop
[06:17] <DR_K13> FluxBox
[06:17] <shadeofgrey> ooo
[06:17] <intelikey> flux is ok.   twm works
[06:17] <DR_K13> its like blackbox
[06:17] <shadeofgrey> whats the website addy for that?
[06:17] <DR_K13> google
[06:17] <sorsis> in the name of fluxbox, blakbox sucksbox
[06:17] <sorsis> like xbox
[06:17] <DR_K13> true sosis
[06:17] <DR_K13> overheat box?
[06:18] <tiglionabbit> xbox 360 scratches discs
[06:18] <sorsis> lousy games and crappdy dvd device
[06:18] <tiglionabbit> http://dwl.xbox-scene.com/video/Xbox-360-Scratch-Disks3.wmv
[06:18] <DR_K13> I tryed to play COD2 on Xbox 360 at compussr the other day.   It Crashed
[06:19] <DR_K13> lol@ that movie
[06:19] <shadeofgrey> anybody know where to find a GOOD sources.list file for going to dapper?
[06:20] <TecnoVM64> Anybody knows if I can find alsaconf somewhere on ubuntu??
[06:20] <crimsun> no, there is no alsaconf.
[06:20] <tiglionabbit> it's true though.  Llama.com made that vid, and they have a fix that involves pads http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/Refurbishing-the-HL-Xbox-360-DVD-Drive.htm
[06:20] <mmiikkee12> how can i get a list of all the packages i installed on a certain day?
[06:20] <sorsis> shadeofgrey: www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:20] <TecnoVM64> crimsun, not even a way to get it? :(
[06:21] <intelikey> hmmm why couldn't i casper the running system to hd and setup lilo to boot streight into the img ?   would that work?
[06:21] <crimsun> TecnoVM64: why do you need it?
[06:21] <TecnoVM64> crimsun, because i know that alsaconf restarts/reconfigures alsa in a bit, thing that i want to do because alsa likes to get messed up when i use skype.
[06:22] <TecnoVM64> crimsun, a way to restart alsa will be also good :)
[06:22] <crimsun> TecnoVM64: then you don't need alsaconf.
[06:22] <crimsun> TecnoVM64: you want: sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload
[06:22] <TecnoVM64> crimsun, ohhh, will try that, thanks :)
[06:24] <gumpish> How do I skip a step in the installer? (5.04) It's "Testing network repository" even though there's no network connection...
[06:24] <mmiikkee12> gumpish: expert install/
[06:24] <BlueEagle> gumpish: boot with expert
[06:24] <mmiikkee12> *?
[06:24] <gumpish> =[
[06:25] <BlueEagle> at the boot prompt type expert instead of just hitting enter.
[06:25] <gumpish> right
[06:25] <mmiikkee12> and you get a menu iirc
[06:26] <mmiikkee12> (the old pos debootstrap
[06:26] <gumpish> It's already installed all the packages, not gonna sit through that again - looks like it is finally timing out though - now it's testing security update repository =p
[06:27] <BlueEagle> gumpish: Ahh, at the boot process after installing?
[06:30] <intelikey> gumpish to answer your question, you don't.   you can ^C the process but better to let it time out.
[06:32] <intelikey> cause if one should hit ^C just as the error timed out and killed the installer in place ov the subprocess.....  "eeek  and what now" would be heard around the block
[06:34] <grshpr> i have a g3 ibook with ubuntu hoary and xfce running... i can not listen to cd's even though the cd-player recognizes them, and give them titles. any sudjestions on what could be wrong?
[06:35] <BlueEagle> gumpish: Which sound system is your cd player attempting to use? Is ESD started? Is arts started? Do you use OSS or ALSA drivers for your sound card?
[06:36] <BlueEagle> gumpish: Sorry. Nick completer borked.
[06:36] <BlueEagle> grshpr: Which sound system is your cd player attempting to use? Is ESD started? Is arts started? Do you use OSS or ALSA drivers for your sound card?
[06:36] <BlueEagle> grshpr: I guess that the player is attempting to use ESD but ESD is not started.
[06:37] <BlueEagle> (ie. if you start Gnome instead of XFCE the player works)
[06:37] <grshpr> BlueEagle: i can't choose anything like that with the cd-player.
[06:37] <AzCowboy> G'night, all.
[06:37] <BlueEagle> nn azcowboy
[06:38] <grshpr> BlueEagle: only option i have is what cd device it should, and some themes.
[06:38] <grshpr> BlueEagle: where would i start esd?
[06:38] <goose> where can i find a gcj compiled version of eclipse?
[06:38] <gum67> how does one install SSHD
[06:38] <DR_K13> whats the package to get my right mouse click to termal back?  I had it on warty
[06:38] <grshpr> gum67: synaptic
[06:38] <BlueEagle> grshpr: Is your CD-player physically hooked up to your sound card? (I've got little to no experience on macs but on IBM compatibles you need a wire in most cases).
[06:39] <gum67> grshpr ' what goes here ' ?
[06:39] <grshpr> gum67: use synaptic, search for sshd
[06:39] <gum67> oh, okay.
[06:39] <BlueEagle> grshpr: Let me do some checks.
[06:39] <gum67> grshpr, and maybe Alsa or Oss ?
[06:39] <eatnumber1> hey
[06:40] <grshpr> BlueEagle: i recently changed from gnome to xfce, so that might be part of my problem.
[06:41] <grshpr> gum67: what do you mean alsa or oss?
[06:41] <eatnumber1> im having a problem: I just installed ubuntu on my laptop, and it worked fine, but when ubuntu boots up now, it always says "failed to start the x server"
[06:41] <grshpr> eatnumber1: what version of ubuntu? what kind of computer do you have?
[06:41] <gum67> grshpr also having sound problems, i solved it 2 weeks ago, but i forgot :(
[06:41] <DR_K13> found it sudo apt-get install nautilus-open-terminal
[06:41] <grshpr> gum67: ok
[06:41] <eatnumber1> its breezy on a compaq v2310us notebook
[06:41] <gum67> grshpr - SB 16 ISA
[06:42] <gum67> grshpr - hoary
[06:42] <crimsun> gum67: I pinged you about an hour ago but never got a response
[06:42] <gum67> crimsun
[06:42] <gum67> sorry, i'm getting tired.
[06:42] <grshpr> eatnumber1: does it stop after it say that, doesn't the x-server start?
[06:43] <eatnumber1> no
[06:43] <gum67> Crimsun: maybe start this again tomorrow, not to waste your time
[06:43] <grshpr> eatnumber1: how many times have you tried to install it?
[06:43] <eatnumber1> it says the x server is disabled
[06:43] <eatnumber1> um twice, the first time the repartitioning of the hdd failed
[06:43] <BlueEagle> grshpr: Well, the cd-player can use one of two methods for transferring sound from your cd-player to the sound card. One is to directly pipe the audio from the CD players aux out port to the sound cards aux in port. If that is the case adjusting the volume of your aux in might cure the problem.
[06:44] <enos> does tvout (ati) have to be clone mode always? and is there an easy way to switch between tv exporting & dual monitors?
[06:44] <grshpr> BlueEagle: cd-player is the program you get with ubuntu hoary gnome, you realize that, right?
[06:44] <BlueEagle> grshpr: The other method is to read the audiodata off the disc, transfer it over IDE/SCSI/SATA (or what ever bus is used) and send them to the soundcard over the PCI/ISA bus (or what ever the mac uses).
[06:44] <grshpr> BlueEagle: i try to play a music cd, in a working cd-rom.
[06:45] <sethk> BlueDevil, recent Macs use PCI
[06:45] <eatnumber1> any ideas?
[06:45] <intelikey> command that starts gnome ?
[06:45] <BlueEagle> grshpr: In the latter case you need to adjust the volume of the DSP. Still Linux has got a couple of different ways to produce sound.
[06:47] <grshpr> BlueEagle: and where would i do that? i have a sound-option where i have adjusted everything.
[06:47] <BlueEagle> grshpr: The old (and in many respects obsolete) way is the open sound system (OSS). These are (afaik) no longer being developed. The new and "better way"(tm) is ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Arcitecture). These are the new drivers.
[06:47] <grshpr> BlueEagle: could this be done from the terminal?
[06:47] <intelikey> anyone in here know how gnome is called via gdm ?
[06:47] <eatnumber1> grshpr: any help?
[06:47] <grshpr> eatnumber1: so you get a message saying x-server is not started, and then it starts anyway?
[06:48] <BlueEagle> grshpr: However since not all drivers support hardware mixing people have created sound daemons to do that (and other things). This is where ESD (Enlightnment Sound Daemon) and arts (not sure what that acronym is) come in.
[06:48] <eatnumber1> no
[06:48] <eatnumber1> it dosent start at all
[06:48] <BlueEagle> grshpr: Now, if you attempt to play sound using ESD or arts and neither of these are running you will obviously not get any sound.
[06:48] <eatnumber1> it says it failed starting
[06:48] <eatnumber1> and then says it is now disabled
[06:48] <grshpr> BlueEagle: i can't adjust what to use any how.
[06:49] <grshpr> BlueEagle: unless you can give me a nifty little command line to put in my terminal. :)
[06:49] <BlueEagle> grshpr: Also if you attempt to use the OSS or ALSA drivers directly while EDS or arts is running you will find that /dev/dsp is already open and you will not be able to play sounds.
[06:49] <techrush> xubuntu-desktop seems ok but i dont like the file manager
[06:49] <intelikey> use gentoo
[06:50] <grshpr> eatnumber1: if you had problems with partitioning, and now this, i would suggest to make a clean re-install, where you go through everything in detail. the install guide should help you.
[06:50] <polpak> techrush: you can always install nautilus w/o using gnome (I think anyway)
[06:50] <BlueEagle> grshpr: So what we need to do first is to determine wether or not EDS or arts are running. You can do this by the following commands: `ps aux|grep esd` and `ps aux|grep arts`
[06:50] <intelikey> or gentoo techrush
[06:50] <techrush> wtf gentoo ?
[06:50] <techrush> the distro ?
[06:50] <grshpr> intelikey: ah, hall kaft, skit-portbaserat skrap. :D
[06:50] <techrush> or is that a file manager i dont know about
[06:50] <grshpr> BlueEagle: ok
[06:51] <intelikey> what was it you said you didn't like techrush
[06:51] <polpak> the file manager in xubuntu-desktop
[06:51] <techrush> the file manager in the xubuntu-desktop (xfce)
[06:51] <intelikey> yes it is a file manager.
[06:51] <techrush> ic
[06:51] <intelikey> apt-get install gentoo
[06:52] <BlueEagle> grshpr: Did you find either ESD or arts running?
[06:52] <grshpr> BlueEagle: neither one.
[06:52] <polpak> techrush: gentoo kinda looks like ass though ;p
[06:52] <BlueEagle> ok.
[06:52] <grshpr> polpak: what do you mean?
[06:52] <grshpr> polpak: how it look, is up to you.
[06:53] <BlueEagle> grshpr: When you right-click the CD player and choose "about" (if that menu pops up) does it say "CD Player 2.12.0" or similar?
[06:53] <techrush> yeah this looks goofy
[06:53] <polpak> grshpr: we're talking about gentoo the file manager, not the distro
[06:53] <techrush> haha i think id rather use the xfce one then this weird thing
[06:53] <intelikey> yeah polpak if you want eyecandy use nautilious ?
[06:53] <grshpr> BlueEagle: 2.10.1, hoary.
[06:53] <grshpr> polpak: my bad
[06:53] <polpak> grshpr: np =)
[06:54] <polpak> intelikey: I like the eye candy. =)
[06:54] <BlueEagle> grshpr: Does it also say "A CD player for Gnome"?
[06:54] <grshpr> BlueEagle: you bet
[06:54] <BlueEagle> grshpr: That leads me to believe that it uses ESD and will only work with ESD since there are no options to configure it otherwise. That leaves you with two choices.
[06:55] <BlueEagle> grshpr: You can either choose to run ESD with xfce or you can choose to use anohter CD-player.
[06:55] <grshpr> BlueEagle: now, ok.
[06:55] <BlueEagle> grshpr: It is my experience that EDS is not very good with respects to latency so considering using arts might be a better choice even if installing it means installing quite a few KDE dependencies.
[06:56] <grshpr> BlueEagle: ok
[06:56] <intelikey> or could it rely on a veriable like  $SOUND for what it uses..... ?
[06:56] <_jason> grshpr, try running that program from the terminal but prefix it with aoss: aoss command-for-program
[06:56] <_jason> grshpr, I haven't really been following but I guess you are using alsa?
[06:56] <BlueEagle> grshpr: I am sorry if you thought I was being a bit long winded, but understanding how something works is key to finding out how to resolve it. :)
[06:56] <angsty> ok now it's freezing after I log in. shows a cursor, and the brownish-orange ubuntu thing, and then everything stops responding, caps-lock and all that don't change when I press them
[06:57] <grshpr> BlueEagle: thx for helping out
[06:57] <BlueEagle> grshpr: np. :)
[06:57] <angsty> why does ubuntu hate me
[06:57] <_jason> grshpr, angsty nonsense
[06:57] <_jason> oops
[06:57] <_jason> just for angsty there
[06:57] <grshpr> BlueEagle: which leads me to another question, how do i install synaptic for xfce?
[06:57] <angsty> :|
[06:58] <angsty> is this a known problem, it freezing after login?
[06:58] <nitinshantharam> hey guys, where can i find a good tutorial on setting up a web/mail server, i know how to do it but i need some sort of guidence to do it properly - howtoforge is full of tutorials for ispconfig but i dont want o install ispconfig at the end, i want to do it by hand
[06:58] <polpak> grshpr: apt-get install synaptic ?
[06:58] <BlueEagle> grshpr: I would think that synaptic was already installed. :/
[06:58] <grshpr> BlueEagle: it is, it is.
[06:58] <BlueEagle> grshpr: Do you want it on a menu?
[06:58] <grshpr> BlueEagle: you bet
[06:59] <BlueEagle> grshpr: I don't remember. But there might be a menu editor for xfce. Try opening a terminal and type xfce and hit TAB twice. That should list all executable programs in the path starting with xfce. You might find something there.
[06:59] <BlueEagle> grshpr: I haven't used xfce for ages. :)
[07:00] <angsty> I have no idea how to browse the forums or wiki or anything from a console
[07:00] <grshpr> BlueEagle: alright.
[07:00] <angsty> I am fairly amazed I managed to remember irssi :(
[07:00] <BlueEagle> angsty: You do not know how to read web pages?
[07:00] <grshpr> BlueEagle: thx. just out of coriousity, what do you use?
[07:00] <angsty> BlueEagle: not from this I don't
[07:00] <intelikey> that's another thing,  why does ub require two tabs rather than one ?
[07:00] <grshpr> angsty: links2
[07:00] <grshpr> angsty: lynx
[07:01] <angsty> also I uh don't know how to multitask.
[07:01] <angsty> I seem to remember something about 'screen' but I dunno.
[07:01] <BlueEagle> angsty: ALT+F1 trough F6
[07:01] <BlueEagle> angsty: Will give you access to six consoles.
[07:01] <BlueEagle> :)
[07:01] <angsty> that brought me to a blank screen
[07:01] <angsty> with a blinking cursor that didn't let me input anything :<
[07:02] <BlueEagle> angsty: Did you start linux with runlevel 1?
[07:02] <intelikey> that's ubuntu for you.
[07:02] <angsty> now how in the hell would I know to do that
[07:02] <BlueEagle> angsty: :)
[07:02] <theconartist> where do i disable the nautilus desktop
[07:02] <grshpr> angsty: gosh
[07:02] <BlueEagle> angsty: Let me rephrase: How did you get to where you are now?
[07:02] <grshpr> angsty: get a grip :D
[07:03] <angsty> :<
[07:03] <angsty> I pressed esc on startup
[07:03] <angsty> to get into 'recovery mode'
[07:03] <angsty> and then I typed: irssi
[07:03] <BlueEagle> angsty: Ok, then you probably are at runlevel 1 and have got no multitasking availible.
[07:03] <angsty> ok
[07:04] <Davey> BlueEagle, screen works there, right?
[07:04] <BlueEagle> davey: Screen does indeed work in runlevel 1.
[07:04] <intelikey> yes you do   'openvt -c 2 bash
[07:04] <angsty> mostly what I want is to get out of this bloody console and back into the 21st century
[07:04] <intelikey> and 'openvt -c 3 bash '
[07:04] <angsty> except that ubuntu won't start.
[07:05] <BlueEagle> angsty: We're working on it. As intelikey sais. Quit irssi and type openvt -c 2 bash
[07:05] <angsty> ok
[07:05] <angsty> what should I do after taht
[07:05] <Linuturk> why is edubuntu different from ubuntu ?
[07:05] <BlueEagle> that should open a second console.
[07:05] <intelikey> you don't even have to quit irssi
[07:05] <grshpr> get back here
[07:05] <BlueEagle> angsty: after that get back here. :)
[07:05] <intelikey> listen
[07:06] <angsty> switchable through alt+f1/f2?
[07:06] <BlueEagle> intelikey: /exec?
[07:06] <BlueEagle> angsty: Yes.
[07:06] <BlueEagle> angsty: before you quit:
[07:06] <intelikey>  /exec openvt -c [2-6]  bash
[07:06] <angsty> ok
[07:06] <angsty> it says 'couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console'
[07:06] <intelikey> or 2-12 for that matter.....
[07:07] <intelikey> file discripter hmmmmm
[07:07] <grshpr> BlueEagle: yeah, i didn't have esd running.
[07:07] <BlueEagle> grshpr: :)
[07:07] <grshpr> BlueEagle: i started that through the terminal: esd, whipps, everything is working.
[07:07] <DR_K13> I had to reboot my server after 144 days, I am so sad
[07:08] <DR_K13> lol
[07:08] <grshpr> DR_K13: wtg
[07:08] <grshpr> BlueEagle: now, if i want to have that running all the time, what do i do?
[07:08] <intelikey> in single user mode i know that openvt works i just used an hour ago but i don't know it there is anything special about "recovery" mode ......
[07:08] <DR_K13> that was a record for the old girl
[07:08] <BlueEagle> grshpr: There you go. Now as I said I think it might be prudent to invesigate using another CD-player or the arts shound system because esd is not always very fast nor very clever.
[07:09] <angsty> mm
[07:09] <angsty> well, back to my original question: is there any known/common problems with ubuntu freezing right after the login screen?
[07:09] <BlueEagle> grshpr: Let me check that.
[07:10] <angsty> the only hardware I have installed right now are my lan card, video card, dvd drive and one hdd
[07:10] <angsty> I was thinking maybe it's trying to play some cute audio file and dying for lack of audio card
[07:10] <angsty> but I don't know.
[07:11] <BlueEagle> angsty: borked xorg.conf in most cases. Might be a wrongly detected (usb?) keyboard and/or mouse. Might be an USB port that hasn't been reset properly. Might be any number of drivers not working correctly due to mis-detected hardware. Sound might be the problem but I haven't seen a case where it's taken the whole system down.
[07:11] <intelikey> no it should just output that to null and go on
[07:11] <intelikey> now usb will hang one out to dry
[07:11] <_jason> angsty, doubt this is your problem but check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDateBug
[07:11] <angsty> the keyboard was working fine up to that point, and it's ps/2
[07:12] <angsty> but the mouse is usb
[07:12] <angsty> :|
[07:12] <angsty> think you could summarize the date bug for me?
[07:12] <intelikey> angsty: when it hangs un/re-plug the mouse and see if it changes.
[07:13] <_jason> angsty, is the date on your computer before 1970?
[07:13] <angsty> _jason: I don't think so
[07:13] <BlueEagle> grshpr: You can edit the file (or create it if it does not already exist) /etc/X11/Xsession.d/startup-local
[07:13] <_jason> angsty, type 'date'
[07:13] <angsty> 2005
[07:13] <grshpr> BlueEagle: OK! :)
[07:13] <BlueEagle> grshpr: Then add a line which reads: esd &
[07:13] <_jason> angsty, k, next on the list :)
[07:14] <BlueEagle> grshpr: That should start esd whenever you log in (I think)
[07:14] <BlueEagle> grshpr: you may have to sudo to be able to write that file
[07:15] <grshpr> BlueEagle: uhm, i just put esd in the file then?
[07:15] <_jason> angsty, try this to see if you can log in: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94992&highlight=brown+screen+death
[07:15] <angsty> I have to figure out how to view that first
[07:15] <BlueEagle> grshpr: You also need to make it executable with: sudo chmod 755 /etc/X11/Xsession.d/startup
[07:15] <_jason> angsty, lol oh yeah, one sec
[07:15] <BlueEagle> grshpr: esd &
[07:15] <intelikey> w3b http://url
[07:16] <grshpr> BlueEagle: ok
[07:16] <grshpr> BlueEagle: thx
[07:16] <BlueEagle> grshpr: You need the '&' character to tell esd to start in the background. If you leave it out xfce won't start until eds is finished.
[07:16] <BlueEagle> grshpr: You might also need to make it executable
[07:16] <_jason> angsty, want to join me in #flood so I don't spam the channel?
[07:16] <BlueEagle> grshpr: You do that with: sudo chmod 755 /etc/X11/Xsession.d/startup-local
[07:16] <angsty> ok
[07:16] <BlueEagle> grshpr: This is all from memory so forgive me if I get it wrong. :)
[07:17] <Glabberfasted> Hello. I am very new to the Linux platform and my kernel is compiling on another console. How long does that process usually take, it's been that way for about 20 minutes now...
[07:17] <Tweek> Hello, I'm having a problem installing breezy it stalls then goes _really_ slow at 6% installing base system
[07:17] <intelikey> on angsty try /exec openvt -fc 2 bash and see if it opens tty2 for you.
[07:17] <Tweek> any ideas? :<
[07:17] <intelikey> i forgot to force it while ago.
[07:17] <Glabberfasted> Is it normal for a kernel to take so long to compile?
[07:18] <Tweek> some times
[07:18] <Glabberfasted> Is daar suid-afrikaanse peeps in die huis?
[07:18] <Glabberfasted> Guess not.
[07:19] <Tweek> nope
[07:19] <Glabberfasted> Well, yeah... how long does a kernel usually take to compile?
[07:19] <Tweek> Glabberfasted, you're the first person I've ever seen speak afrikaans
[07:19] <intelikey> suid-af  or locale-af  ??
[07:19] <Tweek> :P
[07:19] <Glabberfasted> Tweek: And badly too ;)
[07:19] <Tweek> heh
[07:19] <DR_K13> days  in gentoo stage 1
[07:19] <DR_K13> dont feel bad
[07:19] <zparta> if i am gonna build kernel 2.6.14 from source with make-kpkg do i have to install new headers or should i leave as is ?
[07:19] <Tweek> it is such a weird language :<
[07:20] <Glabberfasted> Tweek: Well... I don't think so.
[07:20] <Glabberfasted> It's out heritage.
[07:20] <Glabberfasted> And I am proud of it.
[07:20] <Tweek> where are you from?
[07:20] <Glabberfasted> In any case Tweek, do you have any idea how long a kernel usually takes to compile?
[07:21] <Glabberfasted> I'm from Johannesburg.
[07:21] <Tweek> 45mins tops on a amd 2200+
[07:21] <DR_K13> depends on your comp
[07:21] <Tweek> give or take
[07:21] <Glabberfasted> Ahh... so it's going to take an hour on my sempron
[07:21] <Glabberfasted> Where are you from Tweek?
[07:21] <intelikey> 6 days on a 80486
[07:21] <Tweek> The U.S :p
[07:21] <Glabberfasted> not South African?
[07:21] <Tweek> nope
[07:22] <Glabberfasted> ...
[07:22] <Glabberfasted> You answered my question though!
[07:22] <Glabberfasted> :p
[07:22] <Glabberfasted> It was in afrikaans.
[07:22] <Tweek> so? :P
[07:22] <Glabberfasted> hah. whatever.
[07:22] <Tweek> I don't speak it nor have I studied it
[07:22] <Glabberfasted> dagga in die kop, wat gaan jy doen? :)
[07:22] <Tweek> don't understand that :D
[07:23] <Glabberfasted> I said, you're smoking dope so I guess I can't do anything about it.
[07:23] <Glabberfasted> Still, surprising that you new what language I was speaking.
[07:23] <Tweek> na
[07:24] <Glabberfasted> Did you know the guy that created Ubuntu, Mark Shuttleworth, is a South African?
[07:24] <Tweek> I didn't know that
[07:24] <Tweek> thanks for the information
[07:24] <BlueEagle> grshpr: Did you ever look at http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Xubuntu-7607.shtml ?
[07:24] <Glabberfasted> That sounded sarcastic ;)
[07:24] <_jason> I'm off to bed, if that guy angsty returns and he was able to start X, please forward him this link: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94992 thanks
[07:24] <angsty> ok
[07:25] <angsty> _jason, thank you
[07:25] <Tweek> Glabberfasted, it wasn't
[07:25] <_jason> oh your back, did it work?
[07:25] <angsty> that worked
[07:25] <_jason> angsty, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94992
[07:25] <Glabberfasted> Tweek: Okay. We're pretty proud of him too, he was the first South African in space and he even created the web-technology VeriSign.
[07:25] <_jason> angsty, you probably need to install the appropriate drivers for your card now, what kind of card do you have?
[07:25] <Tweek> :<
[07:25] <strav> he. all, anyone can get a hand on MagickWand 6.2.4 (seems to be necessary for adding imagemagick module to php)
[07:26] <intelikey> so running the live cd all i need to do to shut down is press the power button.    i like that.   heck with software shutdowns.
[07:26] <angsty> I don't even remember
[07:26] <angsty> ATI x800 or something like that
[07:26] <angsty> had an x in it.
[07:26] <Tweek> Glabberfasted, he has a nice resume :p
[07:26] <_jason> ubotu, tell angsty about ati
[07:26] <Glabberfasted> hehehe...
[07:26] <_jason> angsty, search the forums for your problem, it is commonly referred to as the "brown screen of death"
[07:26] <Glabberfasted> Well, thanks for the assist.
[07:26] <angsty> ok
[07:26] <zparta> if i am gonna build kernel 2.6.14 from source with make-kpkg do i have to install new headers or should i leave as is ?
[07:27] <Glabberfasted> goeie naand
[07:27] <_jason> angsty, I'm off to bed now, gl
[07:27] <Glabberfasted> [good night] 
[07:27] <Glabberfasted> quit
[07:27] <Tweek> Glabberfasted, how old is the afrikaans language?
[07:27] <zparta> read two howtos and both say different things
[07:27] <Glabberfasted> Tweek: It's as old as our culture.
[07:27] <intelikey>  /quit
[07:28] <Moodles`> What is ubuntu/linux equivelent of the windows startup folder from the start menu?
[07:28] <Moodles`> cd ..
[07:28] <strav> repositories  (multiverse and universe for imagemagick) goes as fas as 6.2.3
[07:28] <BlueEagle> moodles`: There really isn't any real equivalent.
[07:28] <Moodles`> whoops
[07:28] <BlueEagle> moodles`: Are you using gnome?
[07:29] <Moodles`> yeah
[07:29] <BlueEagle> moodles`: Hang on and I'll boot gnome here...
[07:29] <Moodles`> i can go through the terminal, just wondering where i can load programs automatically at startup like folding at home
[07:29] <Nameeater_> NVIDIA installer says that I needed 3.4 as thats what my kernel was compiled with, so i apt-get'd that and it said something about linking it with the CC enviroment something, how do I do that?
[07:29] <Moodles`> dir
[07:29] <Moodles`> argh
[07:29] <Nameeater_> needed gcc 3.4*
[07:30] <Tweek> Does anyone know why my breezy install freezes at 6%?
[07:30] <Moodles`> its confusing having 2 monitors in front of you
[07:30] <Kyral> Nameeater_: export CC=gcc-2.4
[07:30] <Kyral> then run it
[07:30] <Nameeater_> Moodles: dual-head is great ;p
[07:30] <Nameeater_> thanks Kyral
[07:30] <Davey> Moodles`, System > Preferences > Session > Startup Programs
[07:30] <Moodles`> Tweek: I had a problem like that, turned out to be a faulty ramstick
[07:30] <Tweek> :<
[07:30] <Moodles`> does it freeze at 6% everytime?
[07:30] <Tweek> yes
[07:30] <Tweek> not freeze really, but it goes very very slow
[07:31] <Moodles`> I would say it would have to be a problem with the cd
[07:31] <Tweek> I have tried with many cd's
[07:31] <|GDF|snoopy> ok how do you get QTparted? is it included in the live disk?
[07:31] <BlueEagle> moodles`: System -> Preferences -> Sessions
[07:32] <Moodles`> ah its easy afterall
[07:32] <BlueEagle> moodles`: Then chooce the "Startup Programs" tab and add the program you want to launch when gnome starts there.
[07:32] <ben_underscore> hey all
[07:32] <intelikey> qtparted is not a command on the live....
[07:32] <BlueEagle> moodles`: I discovered that one by accident when browsing the menus after my first install. :)
[07:32] <ben_underscore> i'm just installing skype on breezy, and it is very ugly. what is the qt/kde library that i have to install to make it look ok?
[07:33] <|GDF|snoopy> i need to erase my har drive and was trying to figure out and easy way t wip;e it
[07:33] <Moodles`> how do I get it so folding at home loads inside a terminal on startup?
[07:33] <|GDF|snoopy> hard*
[07:33] <intelikey> |GDF|snoopy: cfdisk
[07:33] <BlueEagle> moodles`: folding at home?
[07:34] <intelikey> yeah i was wondering that too
[07:34] <|GDF|snoopy> cfdisk?
[07:34] <Moodles`> distributed computing project, uses idle cpu cycles to fold proteins to better learn how cancer proteins fold etc
[07:34] <Nameeater_> do I need linux-source-2.6.12 to install the nvidia drivers?
[07:34] <Nameeater_> its huge :'<
[07:34] <Moodles`> its just a little console pprogram
[07:34] <intelikey> cfdisk /dev/hda     <--- assumes ide
[07:34] <BlueEagle> moodles`: gnome-terminal --command foldingathome
[07:34] <BlueEagle> moodles`: or what ever the command for starting it is.
[07:34] <intelikey> cfdisk /dev/sda     <--- assumes scis
[07:35] <BlueEagle> intelikey: or sata
[07:35] <|GDF|snoopy> ide
[07:35] <DR_K13> ./FAH-502-Linux.exe
[07:35] <intelikey> yeah
[07:35] <intelikey> or even usb
[07:35] <Nameeater_> do I?
[07:35] <Moodles`> gnome-terminal --
[07:35] <BlueEagle> |gdf|snoopy: for IDE use /dev/hda (for the master drive on the 1st ide controller)
[07:35] <Moodles`> i did it again whoops
[07:35] <DR_K13> opps  its ./FAH502-Linux.exe
[07:36] <|GDF|snoopy> yes
[07:36] <|GDF|snoopy> thank you
[07:36] <intelikey> Moodles`: if you just prepend /exec    that will work
[07:36] <BlueEagle> moodles`: Did what again?
[07:36] <|GDF|snoopy> time to go do some cleaning
[07:36] <Moodles`> i keep typing commands on this computer instead of the ubuntu computer
[07:36] <BlueEagle> moodles`: Haha. :)
[07:37] <BlueEagle> moodles`: Why are you not using IRC from the ubuntu computer?
[07:37] <CaptainMorgan> twice today
[07:37] <Noah0504> Why so?
[07:37] <Moodles`> i like mirc
[07:37] <|GDF|snoopy> i take it it will come up with a menu that will walk me through it, or will do it autimatically
[07:37] <|GDF|snoopy> ?
[07:37] <mgorbach228> Anyone using dapper drake?
[07:38] <Davey`> huzzah, awesome :)
[07:38] <intelikey> yep |GDF|snoopy it is self explanatory
[07:38] <BlueEagle> moodles`: I would recomend that you atleast try irssi. Yes it runs in a terminal and it hasn't got very many buttons but I find it very nice once you get the hang of it.
[07:38] <CaptainMorgan> wtf
[07:39] <intelikey> BlueEagle: xchat ?
[07:39] <BlueEagle> captainmorgan: You do know that you can have more than one kernel installed don't you?
[07:39] <mgorbach228> Anyone using dapper drake? i want to know if it has software suspend 2 support
[07:39] <mgorbach228> built into the kernel
[07:39] <CaptainMorgan> BlueEagle, please explain
[07:39] <mgorbach228> otherwise i cant get hiberante working on my laptop
[07:39] <BlueEagle> intelikey: I really don't think much of it. Then again I fell in love with irssi because my IRC client is running on another machine which hasn't got X installed.
[07:40] <intelikey> yeah when you set it up right irssi is nice.  i just wondered if you had messed with xchat?   you can config lots of thing on it too,
[07:40] <ViViD> how do i give a specific user write access to a file with chmod
[07:41] <BlueEagle> captainmorgan: Ok. When compiling a new kernel (unless using some nifty tools to do so) you will get a kernel image in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage. You copy that to your /boot or / folder and then set up grub to have it as an option.
[07:41] <ViViD> i cant figure out how to specify the user
[07:41] <CaptainMorgan> vivid - +w
[07:41] <CaptainMorgan> >> +w
[07:41] <ViViD> can you give me an example?
[07:41] <BlueEagle> captainmorgan: If you are using some nifty tools to configure your kernel you might have it overwrite any existing kernels but then you can install multiple kernels from ie. synaptic or with aptitude or apt-get and thus always have a stock kernel availible.
[07:42] <CaptainMorgan> see... I never received a /usr/src/   "linux" folder
[07:42] <CaptainMorgan> had to make it myself
[07:42] <ViViD> chmod user - +w file?
[07:42] <CaptainMorgan> I developed the kernel with the linux-source-2.6.11 dir
[07:42] <CaptainMorgan> and module/madwifi
[07:42] <CaptainMorgan> dir
[07:42] <zparta> omg, the kernel builds faster in vmware on my windows machine barton 2500+@3200+ with 1024mb ram then my friends celeron 2.0 with 1024mb ram running ubuntu natively :P
[07:42] <pseudo_smartass> ubotu tell me about wine
[07:42] <CaptainMorgan> make'd int both dir....
[07:42] <intelikey> ViViD: man chmod
[07:43] <zparta> got a question, can i use the deb packages done on my machine on his machine ?
[07:43] <zparta> i built with cpu 386
[07:43] <CaptainMorgan> intelikey what's the name of the file?
[07:43] <ViViD> thats cuz celerons have crippled architecture
[07:43] <CaptainMorgan> sudo chmod +w <file>
[07:43] <BlueEagle> vivid: The permission system is based on three categories Owner, Group and All. A file can have one user and one group. A group can have any number of members.
[07:43] <zparta> ViViD: can i use my .deb files on his machine ?
[07:43] <intelikey> CaptainMorgan: do try to keep up  :)
[07:43] <CaptainMorgan> can even use numbers... 700? 760  770? depending on it..
[07:44] <ViViD> zparta, you can do whatever you want on it, but its going to be slower
[07:44] <BlueEagle> vivid: Thus if you want more than one user (but not everybody) to have write access to a file you need to put them in the same group and make the file group writable.
[07:44] <CaptainMorgan> keep up> ha! been up almost three days straight with wifi wackiness
[07:44] <pseudo_smartass> ok
[07:44] <sethk> don't use numbers.  against all software engineering principles
[07:44] <eatnumber1> hey, I just installed breezy on my compaq presario v2310us notebook... it installed fine, but when it tried to boot, it says "failed to start x server ..... would you like to view the x server output" I tried reinstalling, nothing... If I view the output theres a line that says "DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI"
[07:44] <zparta> ViViD: slower then the kernel that comes with ubuntu as default ?
[07:44] <intelikey> that explains it.
[07:44] <CaptainMorgan> asinine Atheros
[07:44] <BlueEagle> vivid: Did that help you at all?
[07:45] <ViViD> BlueEagle, yea i think i understand
[07:45] <CaptainMorgan> must say though.... I really like the look of Breezy...
[07:45] <sethk> CaptainMorgan, my atheros machine ran without a hitch after a standard install.  what are you seeing?
[07:45] <CaptainMorgan> major upgrade
[07:45] <ViViD> but i dont want to add the user to the root goup, so ill have to change it to another i guess
[07:45] <BlueEagle> vivid: Now the owner of a file is altered with chown (man chown). You can alter the owner if you just want a single user to have write access to the file in question.
[07:45] <CaptainMorgan> sethk, Im not even configuring anything.... Im going stratight to the wifi.. trying to get it working. it doesn't I reserach it.. screw the customs until after i get it wokring
[07:45] <ViViD> maybe thats a better method
[07:46] <BlueEagle> vivid: sudo chown user:group filename
[07:46] <CaptainMorgan> what a crapload of extras programs Breezy offers....
[07:46] <intelikey> ViViD: did you man chmod ?
[07:46] <CaptainMorgan> sheesh
[07:46] <eatnumber1> any ideas?
[07:47] <ViViD> intelikey, i already know how to use it, i was doing chmod -R u+x directory and i thought there was a way to specify the user
[07:47] <CaptainMorgan> sethk, I heard that twice today... people's Atheros worked out of the box....
[07:47] <CaptainMorgan> I don't get it
[07:47] <CaptainMorgan> you went straight to System/Networking/ and configured it andwham it worked ?
[07:47] <cdubya> Atheros here. worked great.
[07:47] <CaptainMorgan> crazy
[07:47] <ViViD> anyway thanks BlueEagle
[07:48] <BlueEagle> vivid: np. :D
[07:48] <eatnumber1> hey, I just installed breezy on my compaq presario v2310us notebook... it installed fine, but when it tried to boot, it says "failed to start x server ..... would you like to view the x server output" I tried reinstalling, nothing... If I view the output theres a line that says "DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI"
[07:48] <mrkoje_> Nice of everyone to let me know that freenode changed to chat.freenode.net
[07:48] <cdubya> heh
[07:48] <mrkoje_> how long has that been in effect?
[07:48] <cdubya> yeah, I found that out after trying to get to it several times....
[07:48] <cdubya> then got an error message
[07:48] <CaptainMorgan> mrkoje_ went to Ubuntu forums to find that out :)
[07:48] <intelikey> ViViD: why not o+w  ?
[07:49] <ViViD> intelikey, cuz the owner is root
[07:49] <CaptainMorgan> was... didn't know about chat.
[07:49] <eatnumber1> any help?
[07:49] <CaptainMorgan> eatnumber1 reinstall
[07:49] <eatnumber1> i did
[07:49] <CaptainMorgan> again
[07:49] <mrkoje_> CaptainMorgan,  I just logged into the 2600.net irc and asked about freenode.... I haven't been around for a while so I didn't know what was going on when I couldn't connect to irc.free.......
[07:49] <CaptainMorgan> lol - I love to install!
[07:50] <eatnumber1> i did
[07:50] <eatnumber1> twice
[07:50] <CaptainMorgan> install is Great!
[07:50] <scopecreep> i had to connect to herbert.freenode :\
[07:50] <intelikey> ViViD: do you not want others to be able to write to them ?
[07:50] <CaptainMorgan> finished two books today... in the process..
[07:50] <pois0n> Hmm, When i try and boot off the ubuntu cd it says Linux install failed to locate cd rom drive? :/
[07:50] <BlueEagle> eatnumber1: I would if I weren't going to bed. I am guessing that the graphics card is not detected right and thus the right driver is not missing. You probably need to research which card is in the lappy and alter the driver in xorg.conf accordingly.
[07:50] <Moodles`> in my startup, I have "/home/poseidon/FAH/FAH502-Linux.exe -advmethods -forceasm" but for some reason it saves its files in /home/poseidon/
[07:50] <Noah0504> So I tried to install Fedora Core 4 today.  Psh, that piece of crap hates my video card.
[07:50] <BlueEagle> Good night folks. You've been great! Be sure to tip your waitress.
[07:50] <ViViD> intelikey, only one user
[07:51] <Noah0504> Proving that Ubuntu is better.
[07:51] <Noah0504> haha
[07:51] <mrkoje_> Noah0504, I actually like FC4 for my "serving" needs...
[07:51] <surface> hi
[07:51] <CaptainMorgan> night BE
[07:51] <intelikey> oh only one user.  then let the user own them.
[07:51] <Moodles`> i assume I would need to write a shell script that actually goes to that folder and does ./FAH502-Linux.exe
[07:51] <surface> installing ubuntu
[07:51] <Noah0504> mrkoje_, Well, I would know what it
[07:51] <Noah0504> s
[07:51] <Noah0504> like.
[07:51] <eatnumber1> blueeagle: i looked on ati's site for the drivers, and they arent on the site
[07:51] <ViViD> Noah0504, thats funny, fedora uses the same xorg and video drivers..try disabling the graphic installer
[07:51] <BlueEagle> eatnumber1: Well that's ATi for you. :)
[07:51] <eatnumber1> blueeagle: i also looked on compaq's site, none
[07:52] <scopecreep> is there any way for me to somehow add wlan-ng (prism2_usb) to a ubuntu install cd?
[07:52] <CaptainMorgan> what exactly is a 'shell script' ?      cat file > file1 | sort 2> result ?
[07:52] <mrkoje_> eatnumber1,  if you are looking for ATI video drivers for linux I assure you they are on the ati.com site.
[07:52] <intelikey> ViViD: i thought you said "let 'user' write" in the generic sense.  sorry.
[07:52] <eatnumber1> mrkoje_: 1 sec, ill get a link
[07:53] <BlueEagle> moodles`: in the services thing I told you about add this: gnome-terminal --command ~/FAH502-Linux.exe
[07:53] <dabaR> mrkoje: I assure you that they are also in the restricted repository of Ubuntu.
[07:53] <BlueEagle> moodles`: but .exe is a windows app isn't it?
[07:53] <ViViD> intelikey, i cant change it with chown or chmod anyway, cuz its an smb share
[07:53] <dabaR> !+ati
[07:53] <ubotu> hmm... ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[07:53] <Moodles`> its written in ASM, so it runs on anything
[07:53] <BlueEagle> moodles`: You might need to use --command wine ~/FAH502-Linux.exe
[07:54] <BlueEagle> moodles`: Ah, ok.
[07:54] <BlueEagle> moodles`: Then the 1st should probably do the trick.
[07:54] <CaptainMorgan> fifth time's a charm....
[07:54] <intelikey> i know nothing about sam<whoever>
[07:54] <BlueEagle> moodles`: You can try it first by typing that command on a command line.
[07:54] <mrkoje> dabaR,  Well I heard a guy having problems with the drivers in the restricted repos..
[07:54] <eatnumber1> mrkoje_: this is directly off ati's site regarding the drivers for my card: "Display drivers and multimedia applications for notebooks with ATI graphics solutions are available for download from your Notebook manufacturer. "
[07:54] <BlueEagle> moodles`: If it works then that's the right command if not well... it should be tbh.
[07:55] <dabaR> eatnumber1: did you try the wiki page for ati drivers?
[07:55] <eatnumber1> mrkoje_: and i looked on compaq's site, and they dont have drivers for linux
[07:55] <BlueEagle> moodles`: (provided that the file is in your home directory that is)
[07:55] <cdubya> ViVid, what are you trying to do?
[07:55] <eatnumber1> dabaR: no, where is that
[07:55] <BlueEagle> moodles`: If it is somwhere else use: gnome-terminal --command /path/to/FAH502-Linux.exe
[07:55] <dabaR> eatnumber1: linux has its own drivers. scroll up a little bit right after I said "!+ati"
[07:55] <BlueEagle> moodles`: Where /path/to is the path to the executable ofcourse.
[07:55] <pseudo_smartass> is there a place where i can get a list of irc servers?
[07:56] <ViViD> mrkoje, yes, the nvidia drivers supplied by ubuntu are unstable, recompile older 7667 version
[07:56] <dabaR> pseudo_smartass: google would likely do something similar.
[07:56] <pseudo_smartass> ahh yes
[07:56] <ViViD> mrkoje, but the same is true for all distributions
[07:56] <BlueEagle> moodles`: If it needs to be executed in it's current directory you can do: gnome-terminal --command cd /path/to/executable&&./FAH502-Linux.exe
[07:56] <mrkoje> eatnumber1,  What kind of card is in your laptop...
[07:56] <BlueEagle> moodles`: Now I'm really going.
[07:56] <dabaR> ViViD: what? you know this for a fact or are you just speaking words?
[07:56] <eatnumber1> dabaR: how do I enable restricted repositories / install the drivers via terminal
[07:56] <pseudo_smartass> hey dabar... u wqouldn't happen to know anything about installing a webcam would ya?
[07:57] <mrkoje> eatnumber1,   try this command       sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:57] <Moodles`> yeah, "gnome-terminal --command cd /path/to/executable&&./FAH502-Linux.exe" will work much better thaks
[07:57] <dabaR> eatnumber1: visit the wiki page is best I can help you with. there are two links. I will make ubotu send you a private message with the links.
[07:57] <cdubya> pseudo_smartass, xchat has a list already there if you use it at all.....
[07:57] <ViViD> dabaR, its a fact, nvidia version 8174 drivers, which are whats in the restricted ubuntu repos, are unstable, and reduce the amount of agp mem allocated drastically
[07:57] <holycow> hey all
[07:57] <holycow> the bots are back again i take it?
[07:57] <pseudo_smartass> eat... in the /etc/apt/ u will sudo vi the sources.list
[07:57] <mrkoje> eatnumber1,  from there you will have to edit the sources.list file... basically you will have to "uncomment" two lines
[07:57] <dabaR> pseudo_smartass: no, I would not.
[07:57] <ViViD> dabaR, 8174 would give you 32mb where 7667 would give you 112
[07:57] <pseudo_smartass> really?
[07:58] <pseudo_smartass> thats what i ended up having to do
[07:58] <pseudo_smartass> cuz they were commented out
[07:58] <ViViD> dabaR, problem doesnt seem to occur on pcx cards tho
[07:58] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, doubt they'd help much.....I suspect they don't do linux
[07:58] <pseudo_smartass> well the universe and multiverse repos
[07:58] <CaptainMorgan> lol
[07:58] <cdubya> heh
[07:59] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, so what's the deal?
[07:59] <CaptainMorgan> full house
[07:59] <cdubya> heh
[07:59] <cdubya> k
[07:59] <cdubya> just asking
[08:00] <CaptainMorgan> ultimatley it's getting madwifi to work... some say it works out of the box... Ive yet to experience that
[08:00] <ViViD> to use the nvidia sites archived 7667 you need linux-source, headers, build-essential, and gcc-3.4, then CC=gcc-3.4 and export and installer will run correctly
[08:00] <Moodles`> BlueEagle: I get: invalid argument: "/home/poseidon/FAH"
[08:01] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, so where are you at with it now?
[08:01] <Siph0n> i get this, "Can not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open"
[08:02] <Siph0n> anyway to see if the resource is available
[08:02] <ViViD> Siph0n, close other open packages
[08:02] <dabaR> !+info nvidia-glx
[08:02] <ubotu> Updating ubuntu files... please wait.
[08:02] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver), section restricted/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7667-0ubuntu25 (breezy), Packaged size: 3012 kB, Installed size: 10036 kB
[08:02] <mrkoje> eatnumber1,  you have a mobility radeon right?
[08:02] <ViViD> can only run one instance of dpkg/apt
[08:02] <dabaR> !fud
[08:02] <ubotu> it has been said that fud is [FUD]  Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. A marketing technique employed by those who do not trust in the merits of their own product. Also Fair Use Day.
[08:02] <CaptainMorgan> fifth install of Ubuntu.. second of Breezy... which btw Im really impressed with.. only whihc wifi turn out better... although the process of getting sources and packages in Breezy is easier...
[08:02] <dabaR> !:P
[08:02] <ubotu> dabaR: Are you smoking crack?
[08:02] <mrkoje> !beer
[08:03] <cdubya> ubotu is cool
[08:03] <ubotu> No idea, cdubya
[08:03] <ViViD> dabaR, thats not correct, the version installed is 8174
[08:03] <Siph0n> i removed klibido, but the directory and files are still their.... why? :)
[08:03] <dabaR> so, I believe your talk was not true.
[08:03] <ViViD> someone needs to update their bot
[08:03] <dabaR> No, he takes package info straight from the database.
[08:03] <ViViD> dabaR, install the packages, and check the version, 81.74
[08:03] <mrkoje> Here is a question: Why does Ubuntu leave out programs that I think are essential... such as  sshd?
[08:03] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, so the card got picked up on install correctly?
[08:04] <CaptainMorgan> sure... I guess..
[08:04] <dabaR> mrkoje: openssh-server is in main.
[08:04] <CaptainMorgan> mrkoje next time we'll write the code just for you :)
[08:05] <dabaR> ViViD: you must be using the unstable, development branch, then. Dapper. The 8174 is there.
[08:05] <cdubya> mrkoje, not too many folks I know who would give linux a chance on the desktop at home would care to dance with ssh......
[08:05] <ViViD> using ubuntu breezy 2.6.12-10-386
[08:06] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, so you don't know if it did, or...........
[08:06] <CaptainMorgan> cdubya, before I played with the madwifi sources, kwifi and radar were seeing it but I couldnt' get connected..
[08:06] <dabaR> ViViD: well, I do not have any other arguments for you. I think still that it would be very strange if Ubuntu lied, and strange to use a development version of a widely used driver like that in the stable version.
[08:06] <CaptainMorgan> configured an al
[08:07] <CaptainMorgan> even gave it a reserved lan address, relative to the machines hw address
[08:07] <ViViD> dabaR, 8174 is not considered "unstable"
[08:07] <CaptainMorgan> special reservation an all
[08:07] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, so what's ifconfig reporting?
[08:07] <CaptainMorgan> crap
[08:07] <cdubya> heh
[08:07] <cdubya> that's new
[08:07] <CaptainMorgan> it may report my reserved ip.. mac and, but it still doens't pick up the router..
[08:08] <CaptainMorgan> ping - unreachable
[08:08] <ViViD> it presents problems with nvidia cards on agp bus only
[08:08] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, the ip's on the same subnet....?
[08:09] <CaptainMorgan> subnet mask ? yes
[08:09] <CaptainMorgan> different hardware...
[08:09] <cdubya> the same subnet as the router
[08:09] <cdubya> do you know the ip of the router
[08:09] <CaptainMorgan> not skilled in networks... ether gets own ip, same mask as ath0, ath0 gets different ip
[08:09] <CaptainMorgan> ip, yes
[08:09] <CaptainMorgan> sure
[08:10] <CaptainMorgan> or do I give both ether and ath0 the same IP? i don't think soo..
[08:10] <ViViD> dabaR, funny thing is it says 7667, but when i installed nvidias 7667, i got more than 64mb of additional agp mem
[08:10] <Jormundgand> There is a clock on my notification area.
[08:10] <cdubya> so is the subnet of the router the same as the ip you're getting for ath0....in other words if the router is 192.168.2.x....does ath0 have a 192.168.2.x address......
[08:10] <Jormundgand> It doesn't respond to any mouse-ular interaction.
[08:11] <ViViD> dabaR, might want to check if they removed 8174 from the repos
[08:11] <dabaR> They should essentially be the same driver, with the addition of bug fixes specific to Ubuntu.
[08:11] <CaptainMorgan> subnet the same as the ip for aht0 ? noah
[08:11] <CaptainMorgan> masks are different... afaik
[08:11] <dabaR> ViViD: 8174 is reported in dapper.
[08:11] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, what's your ath0 ip?
[08:11] <CaptainMorgan> ath0 ip would be on the lan, so 192.168.2 or something
[08:11] <cdubya> k
[08:12] <cdubya> what's the router's ip
[08:12] <CaptainMorgan> :)
[08:12] <CaptainMorgan> unique - reaches the outside world
[08:12] <sethk> CaptainMorgan, missing a number there
[08:12] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, what's the router's LAN ip
[08:12] <ViViD> dabaR, 8174 is commonly known as being a poor release
[08:12] <CaptainMorgan> ping Captainmorgan
[08:13] <ViViD> dabaR, and i changed my nvidia drivers from the default installed 8174 to 7667 yesterday
[08:13] <CaptainMorgan> 68....
[08:13] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, that's the WAN ip....
[08:13] <cdubya> what's the LAN ip
[08:13] <Phoenix1701> Okay, so you guys are going to laugh at me, and rightly so, but...  I have this ancient ISA sound card.  I picked it up off the floor, I have no idea what it is or how old, but it seems to be in working order.  I stuck it in my Ubuntu box and am trying to get it to work, but it doesn't see the card at all.  Any hints on how I might diagnose the problem and fix it?
[08:13] <CaptainMorgan> which one?
[08:13] <CaptainMorgan> they're different
[08:13] <cdubya> yep
[08:13] <CaptainMorgan> of course
[08:14] <polpak> Phoenix1701: try lspci
[08:14] <polpak> Phoenix1701: it might give you some cluew
[08:14] <mrkoje> Phoenix1701, wow you have an old box eh?
[08:14] <cdubya> one will be your public internet ip (WAN), which is the 68 one you were saying.....
[08:14] <polpak> Phoenix1701: or you can look on the chips and see if you can find a serial
[08:14] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, the other will be your backside local network ip (LAN)
[08:14] <CaptainMorgan> if you can say it, you probably a basic understanding. which si what I need in networking
[08:14] <CaptainMorgan> aye - lan
[08:15] <CaptainMorgan> whoa...
[08:15] <ViViD> dabaR, 7667 also has problems with certain fx series cards, in that case should use 7676
[08:15] <CaptainMorgan> sound works on this install... not one peep from th first..
[08:15] <Phoenix1701> polpak: Ah, okay, this is what I was seeing in the GUI too.  No reference to a sound card, just a bunch of controllers and my graphics card.
[08:15] <Phoenix1701> mrkoje: Yeah, it's old, but it's 400 MHz and the price was right.  :)
[08:16] <okih> Can anyone here help me to install xine on ubuntu 5.1?
[08:16] <Phoenix1701> polpak: I can find a manufacturer, at least...  what are the chances that I'd need to find a driver somewhere?
[08:16] <CaptainMorgan> ok, you folks say Atheros works out of the box... i got it open for the time this installl. what's the first thing you did when you went into your accoutn?
[08:16] <Tweek> okih, sure
[08:16] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, have you setup the router at all
[08:16] <Phoenix1701> I thought sound cards were pretty standardized, at least to the extent of being able to play sound through the speakers.
[08:16] <okih> Tweek, Thanks
[08:16] <mrkoje> Phoenix1701, Thats great.. matter of fact I just picked up an old machine from the Universty auction... 700Mhz Celeron $25
[08:16] <ViViD> okih, enable your universe repos and apt-get update && apt-get install xine
[08:16] <CaptainMorgan> router's fine, yep
[08:16] <Tweek> have you tried sudo apt-get install xine?
[08:16] <silverton> GL screen servers don't want to work, is there a package I need to install?
[08:16] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, System > Administration >Networking
[08:16] <mrkoje> Phoenix1701, I wish I would have got there earlier! They had about 10 P4 for $50
[08:17] <Phoenix1701> mrkoje: Nice.  :)  I want to run this one as a music server, but that requires a sound card, and the onboard sound seems to be broken...
[08:17] <okih> Tweek: Yes, it said the package didn't exist.
[08:17] <mrkoje> Phoenix1701,  each
[08:17] <CaptainMorgan> cdubya.. right, that's what i did the first time.. ill do it agai..
[08:17] <Tweek> okih, try getting a larger sources.list
[08:17] <ViViD> okih, enable your universe and multiverse repos
[08:17] <Tweek> let me try and find you one
[08:17] <Phoenix1701> So I scooped up a sound card and tried it, but now I'm having this problem...
[08:17] <silverton> Phoenix1701, music server doesn't need a sound card, a music server holds the music, doesn't play it :P
[08:17] <Madpilot> !sources
[08:17] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:17] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, click on ath0, then click on Properties
[08:17] <okih> How would I do that?
[08:17] <Madpilot> okih & Tweek - see ubotu ^^^
[08:17] <dabaR> okih: you can find a walkthrough of installing things in Ubuntu with related info at dabar.selfip.org/synaptic.html
[08:17] <mrkoje> okih, to enable your universe and multiverse repos you need to edit this file:   /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:18] <Tweek> Madpilot, When robots take over the world I will blame you
[08:18] <ViViD> okih, or you can just add universe to the end of what youve got
[08:18] <dabaR> Madpilot: did you know the 2325 is out of date?
[08:18] <Tweek> okih,  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=92672
[08:18] <CaptainMorgan> cdubya..k, i get to it, ath0 is not active.. eth0 is active.. so - ill click properties..
[08:18] <mrkoje> okih, you can use this command:   sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:18] <pseudo_smartass> in order to install devices do i have to mount them?
[08:18] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, ummm...are you wired to the router?
[08:18] <ViViD> dabaR, heh, see that bot can be wrong
[08:18] <dabaR> pseudo_smartass: storage devices are mounted.
[08:18] <pseudo_smartass> i.e - webcams, plug and play devices and stuff like that
[08:18] <CaptainMorgan> first I gotta do after properties is check the box, enable this connnection
[08:18] <dabaR> ViViD: not in searching for packages.
[08:18] <CaptainMorgan> hardwired into the router yes..
[08:19] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, but you're wanting to setup the wireless?
[08:19] <CaptainMorgan> yes
[08:19] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, k
[08:19] <ViViD> the version that ubuntu installs is not nearly as good as nvidias
[08:19] <Phoenix1701> So, any other suggestions?  :)
[08:19] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, enable ath0
[08:19] <CaptainMorgan> in case you're wondering, im talking through a second comp..
[08:19] <ViViD> doesnt matter what version they have it labelled as
[08:19] <cdubya> heh
[08:19] <CaptainMorgan> so I enable the conn...
[08:19] <okih> mrkoje: What do I edit?
[08:19] <ViViD> okih, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:19] <dabaR> okih: visit that web site, it is easier.
[08:19] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, yep
[08:19] <CaptainMorgan> network is encrypted... gotta enter the name and key..
[08:20] <mrkoje> okih,  you need to edit the "sources.list" file
[08:20] <CaptainMorgan> set to dhcp.
[08:20] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, yeah
[08:20] <runevi>  /dev/md0              1.4T  129M  1.4T   1% /mnt/largedisk
[08:20] <Madpilot> dabaR: I didn't - isn't the standard Breezy repos list?
[08:20] <cdubya> if you've got WEP running
[08:20] <runevi> .. okay, so I'm a tad proud.
[08:20] <runevi> ;)
[08:20] <mrkoje> okih,  you can do this by typing this into the command line:   sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:20] <cdubya> err using it
[08:20] <dabaR> runevi: oh, wow.
[08:20] <mrkoje> okih,  or you can open it in gedit:    sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:20] <okih> ok
[08:20] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, so you saw your SSID name in the Network Name list?
[08:20] <ViViD> okih, use gedit instead of vi, its easier to use for newcomers
[08:20] <CaptainMorgan> plain ascii or hexi?
[08:20] <mrkoje> okih,  you will then need to uncomment two lines of code
[08:20] <runevi> dabaR: Just finished mkfs.ext3'ing it now. :)  It used the night to sync up the raid. :)
[08:21] <CaptainMorgan> network name list?
[08:21] <CaptainMorgan> where ?
[08:21] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, depends on how you setup WEP, if that's what you're using.....
[08:21] <ViViD> okih,  or at least use vim
[08:21] <cdubya> if you're using WPA, it's a different story altogether
[08:21] <CaptainMorgan> ah.. I go into the router directly via the http address
[08:21] <okih> ViVid: vim is like xine?
[08:21] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, what kind of router?
[08:21] <okih> mrkoje: Which two lines?
[08:21] <CaptainMorgan> netgear
[08:21] <pseudo_smartass> vim is like vi, pico, nano
[08:21] <cdubya> k
[08:21] <mrkoje> okih,  read the file.... it will tell you
[08:21] <ViViD> okih, vim = vi enhanced = console text editor
[08:22] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, do you know if it's using WEP or WPA?
[08:22] <mrkoje> I like vim
[08:22] <okih> ok
[08:22] <CaptainMorgan> WEp
[08:22] <cdubya> k
[08:22] <CaptainMorgan> plain or hex?
[08:22] <pseudo_smartass> im partial to vi
[08:22] <dabaR> ViViD: vi is a link to vim in Ubuntu.
[08:22] <CaptainMorgan> plain....
[08:22] <CaptainMorgan> right?
[08:22] <ViViD> mrkoje, so do i but newcomers have no idea how to use a console text editor
[08:22] <pseudo_smartass> lol
[08:22] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, depends....did you let it autogenerate a key for you or did you do it manually in the router setup
[08:22] <mrkoje> gedit is easy to use... but you can't use gedit remotely... easily anyway
[08:22] <pseudo_smartass> its just like using "edit" in dos lol
[08:22] <ViViD> dabaR, i use multiple distros
[08:22] <mrkoje> you can....
[08:22] <CaptainMorgan> passphrase and it generated one for me
[08:22] <CaptainMorgan> no matter, i can get the key
[08:23] <mrkoje> ViVid:  I have the VIM BOOK
[08:23] <CaptainMorgan> which I enter in ath0
[08:23] <mrkoje> ViViD,  lol
[08:23] <ViViD> mrkoje, i didnt see him say he was remote, if he was i dont know why hed want to run xine
[08:23] <dabaR> ViViD: also, there is synaptic, so you dont need to edit any files. I have a nice walkthrough of adding repos with pictures, at http://dabar.selfip.org/synaptic . I suggest you visit that, okih.
[08:23] <mrkoje> ViViD, I don't think he was remote
[08:23] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, yeah, you'll have to add it there in the Properties window and make sure you SSID name is selected on the drop-down
[08:23] <okih> Ok
[08:23] <mrkoje> ViViD,  you know the Vim tutorial book has 572 damn pages :)
[08:24] <ViViD> all he has to do is sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and add 'universe' to the end of the main entry
[08:24] <CaptainMorgan> hey..
[08:24] <silverton> So, anyone know what could be my issue with GL screen savers?
[08:24] <polpak> mrkoje: try using emacs sometime =p
[08:24] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, what
[08:24] <CaptainMorgan> in that drop down there's a function line
[08:24] <CaptainMorgan> orange like
[08:24] <CaptainMorgan> that mean it sees it?
[08:24] <ViViD> mrkoje, ahh its simple arrows to move i to write esc to end :commands
[08:24] <ViViD> hows that for 572 pages
[08:25] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, you mean on the SSID drop-down?
[08:25] <silverton> maybe it's 571 pages of commands ;D
[08:25] <CaptainMorgan> yea
[08:25] <silverton> that first page explaining what you just said
[08:25] <mrkoje> ViViD,  polpak  ya its not that hard.... but come on who writes a tutorial on a text editor and the tutorial is 572 pages?
[08:25] <CaptainMorgan> you see that small function like sign..?
[08:25] <CaptainMorgan> to the right of the id ?
[08:25] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, yeah, that's lists the ones it finds in range
[08:25] <ViViD> mrkoje, better yet, who reads it?
[08:25] <cdubya> the orange squiggle?
[08:25] <CaptainMorgan> aye. orange
[08:25] <cdubya> yeah
[08:25] <CaptainMorgan> so that's good then
[08:25] <CaptainMorgan> it sees the network
[08:26] <mrkoje> ViViD,  well I read the first 12 to figure out how vi/vim works along time ago
[08:26] <CaptainMorgan> so here we go... got all the right info...
[08:26] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, is the one that's by your SSID with or without a key over the top of that orange thing
[08:26] <Phoenix1701> Does anyone know if there's a list of sound cards or chipsets that are officially supported by Ubuntu?
[08:26] <mrkoje> I guess it makes good toilet reading... maybe
[08:26] <ViViD> i think i figured it out by reading a how to, they tend to be shorter and more to the point
[08:26] <CaptainMorgan> please clarify
[08:27] <CaptainMorgan> you mean two instances of the same name?
[08:27] <mrkoje> true... it was free pdf though... it does have a lot of "advanced" information I guess
[08:27] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, when you selected the SSID drop-down and saw the list, you saw you SSID name, right? did it have a picture of just the orange squiggle or the orange squiggle with a yellow key on top of it?
[08:27] <Madpilot> dabaR: I just removed the hoary-extras list from that pastebin sources.list - I'm not sure anything in there is needed for Breezy...
[08:28] <CaptainMorgan> complete orange squiggle
[08:28] <CaptainMorgan> no yellow
[08:28] <cdubya> but no yellow key
[08:28] <CaptainMorgan> right
[08:28] <cdubya> k
[08:28] <Madpilot> dabaR: (which isn't available elsewhere, that is...)
[08:28] <CaptainMorgan> all good?
[08:28] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, so you may not be running WEP
[08:28] <CaptainMorgan> im looking into the router now... it's definately wep
[08:28] <cdubya> or it doesn't see it that way, anyway, but it's pretty accurate on this box, so....
[08:29] <Moodles`> I've got a fullscreen opengl application open atm, is there anyway to ctrl+alt+delete it?
[08:29] <cdubya> k. did you get it enabled?
[08:29] <cdubya> with the key and all?
[08:29] <ViViD> okih, you might even want to try to install vlc instead of xine, its in the standard repos, and has better codec support
[08:29] <CaptainMorgan> hit ok and the window closedd.. im back at the interface list..
[08:29] <CaptainMorgan> ath0 is still inactive... activate?
[08:29] <CaptainMorgan> here we go
[08:29] <cdubya> click ok.
[08:29] <cdubya> hyeah
[08:29] <cdubya> activate it
[08:29] <okih> ok
[08:30] <cdubya> then click ok
[08:30] <CaptainMorgan> popup with bar 'activating ath0'
[08:30] <CaptainMorgan> moment of truth..
[08:30] <cdubya> heh
[08:30] <okih> I got the repositories universe thing an I *think* I installed xine. It doesn't show up in the sound&video applications though.
[08:30] <cdubya> when that window goes away, click ok and it will finish up
[08:30] <ViViD> okih, install vlc instead
[08:31] <CaptainMorgan> takes a bit.....
[08:31] <ViViD> okih, it has better codec support
[08:31] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, I go through this often.....and yes it does....
[08:31] <okih> ViVid, Ok
[08:31] <CaptainMorgan> ok.... both eth0 and ath0 are active...
[08:31] <CaptainMorgan> clicking ok
[08:31] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, k
[08:31] <ViViD> okih, and if they arent in the list, just run by typing xine or vlc in the terminal
[08:31] <Siph0n> is there a way to do a complete removal of a program, where it gets rid of any folders and icons?
[08:31] <cdubya> once that window disappears, try to get somewhere on it
[08:31] <silverton> is the "legacy nvidia driver" the "nv" driver?
[08:31] <ViViD> silverton, no
[08:31] <silverton> then how do I install the legacy driver?
[08:32] <ViViD> silverton, they are nvidia drivers for older riva and tnt cards
[08:32] <silverton> I have a geforce2 pro
[08:32] <CaptainMorgan> first thing Ill do, is it okay to unplug eth0 ?
[08:32] <silverton> which is under the legacy cards list
[08:32] <cdubya> sure
[08:32] <ViViD> silverton, then install the legacy just like you would the normal ones
[08:32] <silverton> I don't see that in the hardware how-to though
[08:32] <ViViD> silverton, and add -legacy to the end of the commands
[08:32] <silverton> eh?
[08:32] <silverton> so, nvidia-glx-legacy?
[08:33] <ViViD> silverton, open synaptic, search for nvidia
[08:33] <ViViD> silverton, yes
[08:33] <RaisedFist> hello. how can I run 32bit apps on a 64bit ubuntu installation?
[08:33] <silverton> ohhh, gotcha
[08:33] <silverton> thanks dude
[08:33] <CaptainMorgan> after unpluggin eth0, icon at the top ( network icon ) has a yellow triangle with an exclamtion in it..
[08:33] <ViViD> silverton, restricted legacy, glx legacy and get nvidia-settings too
[08:33] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, prolly isn't finding the physical connection that you just unplugged.....:D
[08:33] <silverton> yeah, I have nvidia settings
[08:34] <silverton> I've set this up for a 5200 before, so I was kinda curious why it wasn't working
[08:34] <silverton> til I read a forum thread that for older cards, you had to use the legacy driver
[08:34] <silverton> which I assumed was "nv"
[08:34] <ViViD> silverton, if youre using synaptic just search for nvidia legacy
[08:34] <CaptainMorgan> see now, at this point i go to the icon, click on it and try to find the ath0 in the drop down... it's not there
[08:34] <CaptainMorgan> I try a site,, nothing
[08:34] <Siph0n> or does neone know what the dcopserver is? when i reinstall klibido, and try and run it, i get an error that the dcopserver is not running
[08:35] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, where are you looking for the ath0 connection?
[08:35] <ViViD> CaptainMorgan, you can get on irc but not browse the web??
[08:35] <silverton> thanks much guys :)
[08:35] <silverton> er, ViViD...
[08:35] <cdubya> ViViD, he's on another box
[08:35] <ViViD> if so, you might want to double check the dns settings
[08:35] <CaptainMorgan> the icon at the top ( network icon ) has a yellow triangle in it
[08:35] <silverton> is the card even supported?
[08:35] <CaptainMorgan> dns ? no dns set
[08:36] <CaptainMorgan> dhcp by icp
[08:36] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, iwconfig
[08:37] <IRCMonkey999> does having "many" desktops on ubuntu gnome affect the performance?
[08:37] <CaptainMorgan> at this point I usually try system/admin/networking and set the ath0 to default gateway... even make eth0 inactive...
[08:37] <CaptainMorgan> nothing
[08:37] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, what kind of machine is this?
[08:37] <silverton> holy crap, my cursor is gone >.<
[08:37] <Madpilot> IRCMonkey999: I run eight, and filling them up does use up loads of RAM, but Gnome itself is still responsive
[08:37] <ViViD> silverton, its linux-restricted-modules-kernelversion-nvidia-legacy and nvidia-glx-legacy
[08:37] <okih> Tweek, mrkoje, ViVid, and dabaR: Thank you all very much, I am happily listening to my music now 8-D
[08:38] <CaptainMorgan> thinkpad
[08:38] <CaptainMorgan> iwconfig has AP of all 00's no ip,
[08:38] <silverton> ViViD, jah, I got it, the restricted modules was a dependency of the nvidia-glx-legacy
[08:38] <CaptainMorgan> wtf
[08:38] <CaptainMorgan> working out fo the box my azz
[08:38] <IRCMonkey999> Madpilot: i mean if i have eight of them but use only 2 of them... will it take up extra memory?
[08:38] <CaptainMorgan> SSID is correct.. in iwconfig
[08:38] <ViViD> silverton, there ya go, make sure after its installed that its not version 81.74
[08:39] <IRCMonkey999> Madpilot: i mean... will it take only memory for 2 desktops or all 8?
[08:39] <CaptainMorgan> Atheros chip is supported
[08:39] <Madpilot> IRCMonkey999: it doesn't seem to - only three of mine have stuff in them and I'm using less than 25% of my 1Gb RAM
[08:39] <CaptainMorgan> Signal level in iwconfig = 95 dbm
[08:39] <silverton> ViViD, what about the "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" command ?
[08:39] <CaptainMorgan> Noise leve = 95 dbm
[08:39] <silverton> I tried nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-glx-config-legacy
[08:39] <CaptainMorgan> Link Quality 0/94
[08:39] <IRCMonkey999> Madpilot: 1GB Ram ... hmmm makes me jealous ;)
[08:39] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, there's your problem
[08:40] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, you're just not getting there
[08:40] <CaptainMorgan> ?
[08:40] <ViViD> silverton, you can do that, or change xorg.conf manually if you know how to do it
[08:40] <Madpilot> IRCMonkey999: AFAIK it's really only applications that take up serious RAM, and adding more empty virtual desktops doesn't affect things much
[08:40] <CaptainMorgan> link quality?
[08:40] <silverton> cdubya, sounds to me like he isn't even technically connected to his ap
[08:40] <silverton> ViViD, what would I put for driver?  nvidia-legacy ?
[08:40] <cdubya> silverton, pretty much
[08:40] <IRCMonkey999> Madpilot: oh.. ok. thank you
[08:41] <ViViD> silverton, nvidia
[08:41] <silverton> oh...
[08:41] <silverton> lol, k
[08:41] <cdubya> silverton, don't think he's associated, even though it looks like he is
[08:41] <CaptainMorgan> ?
[08:41] <CaptainMorgan> AP's all 00's why?
[08:41] <IRCMonkey999> when will firefox 1.5 for ubuntu be ready?
[08:41] <silverton> define "all 00's"
[08:41] <chull_> is there a movie player that is easy to get for Ubuntu?
[08:41] <CaptainMorgan> that's why I say my first install, I reserved an ip and ap, but never got connnected
[08:41] <ViViD> chull, vlc
[08:41] <Madpilot> chull_: Totem is installed by default...
[08:41] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, because you're not really ever getting to the AP....the 00's are prolly the mac address iwconfig is reporting for the AP
[08:41] <CaptainMorgan> Access Point: 00:00:00:00
[08:41] <IRCMonkey999> and ubotu... how are you doing...
[08:41] <cdubya> since it can't find it
[08:41] <RaisedFist> so ... can someone help me with this: I want to run 32bit programs on a 64bit ubuntu install ... i never did it and I don;t know how .. please help!
[08:42] <chull_> Madpilot, it doesn't seem to have the necessary plugins... how do I get those?
[08:42] <ViViD> chull, but totem doesnt have as much codec support as vlc
[08:42] <Madpilot> !tell chull_ about restricted
[08:42] <ViViD> chull_, install vlc and you wont have that problem
[08:42] <CaptainMorgan> so I cant into the router... I take that mac address and place it where for ath0?
[08:42] <CaptainMorgan> so i CAN get ito the router...
[08:42] <cdubya> CaptainMorgan, so when you got into the router, how did you setup the WEP?
[08:42] <chull_> ViViD, ok great can you help me with the code or whatever i need, please?
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[10:43] (pseudo_smartass/#ubuntu) ok
[10:43] (pseudo_smartass/#ubuntu) now my filesystem is all fucked up
[10:43] (burepe/#ubuntu) pseudo_smartass, is the drive that you are working on the drive that ubuntu is installed on?
[10:43] (pseudo_smartass/#ubuntu) how do i put shit together
[10:43] (burepe/#ubuntu) use knoppix
[10:43] (pseudo_smartass/#ubuntu) lol yep
[10:43] (burepe/#ubuntu) that is not a good thing to do
[10:43] (burepe/#ubuntu) use knoppix and qtparted
[10:43] (pseudo_smartass/#ubuntu) lol im seeing that
[10:44] <burepe> sorry, I should have mentioned that
[10:44] <pseudo_smartass> well its all partitioned now... but i got freespace... swap...free space... system part
[10:44] <pseudo_smartass> lol
[10:44] <pseudo_smartass> i just want to put free space, swap, system
[10:44] <burepe> you got a cd burner
[10:44] <pseudo_smartass> get the 9 gigs of free before the swap
[10:45] <burepe> ?
[10:45] <pseudo_smartass> yeah
[10:45] <pseudo_smartass> have knoppix on a disk already
[10:45] <keitsi> what's the trick to get alsa-oss working? after I did apt-get install alsa-oss, none of apps that use OSS have been working correctly ever since. if I start enemy territory with the aoss, I the sound are laggy and choppy. same goes for skype.
[10:46] <keitsi> -I
[10:46] <keitsi> s/sound/sounds
[10:46] <pseudo_smartass> ya know what damnit
[10:47] <pseudo_smartass> im just gonna delete the swap and the 2 free spaces and just re partition after that
[10:48] <pseudo_smartass> shit....forgot to put in the swap
[10:48] <burepe> just do it later with knoppix
[10:49] <burepe> you are gonna mess your system up if you don't stop
[10:49] <burepe> maybr
[10:49] <burepe> e
[10:49] <spacey_ki> if you do it right you can do it without any reboot
[10:49] <pseudo_smartass> ok
[10:49] <pseudo_smartass> i haven't rebooted yet
[10:49] <pseudo_smartass> lol
[10:49] <hmpedersen> I still cant get skype to work on ubuntu
[10:49] <chorse> i hate segfaults in xchat
[10:49] <pseudo_smartass> once im done i will try a restart and see how it goes lol
[10:49] <crimsun> hmpedersen: did you first uncheck System> Preferences> Sound> Enable sound server startup?
[10:50] <pseudo_smartass> skype... not sound..
[10:50] <CaptainMorgan> hahahahah!!!
[10:50] <hmpedersen> Crimsun, skype disables all sound (including its own) untill i exit it..
[10:51] <crimsun> hmpedersen: that sounds like a Skype config issue
[10:51] <hmpedersen> brb.. gotta reboot
[10:52] <hmpedersen> oh.. not anymore..
[10:52] <hmpedersen> Now it refuses to call, saying "Problem with sound device
[10:52] <hmpedersen> Yes.. It started saying that when i installed KDE...
[10:52] <crimsun> hmpedersen: did you configure arts to use ALSA?
[10:53] <hmpedersen> no..
[10:53] <crimsun> hmpedersen: furthermore, did you configure it to release the sound device after 2 idle seconds?
[10:53] <hmpedersen> no1 ever told me.. All they did was !skype, then told me to do what was in the document there..
[10:54] <liable> warning, i am a pisshead :P
[10:55] <CaptainMorgan> thanks man.. unreal ;)
[10:55] <weyoun> yay
[10:56] <liable> CaptainMorgan: basically, comment the auto lines, the just call up whatever iface you want with ifup XXX0
[10:56] <pseudo_smartass> lol do i really need a swap?
[10:57] <liable> weyoun: dont /msg, especially with pointless dribble.
[10:57] <pseudo_smartass> i have a gig of memory....
[10:58] <liable> crimsun: mind +q weyoun??
[10:58] <liable> grr
[10:58] <pseudo_smartass> ok... im off to restart... if i aint back in 5 minutes... everyone learn from my mistake... dont delete, resize, resize, delete, delete, and resize all before restarting once...
[10:58] <pseudo_smartass> lol
[11:00] <Pygi> I wanna know what kernel is ;) ;) ;)
[11:00] <Pygi> hehe ;)
[11:01] <weyoun> whee
[11:01] <ndlovu> does anyone know if the filtering rules set in firestarter remain active after you close the application?
[11:01] <j2daosh> shit... lol
[11:01] <j2daosh> ok
[11:01] <j2daosh> well the loading of the local fiesystems check failed...
[11:01] <j2daosh> whatever the hell that means
[11:01] <MrSunshine> humm, the package management in ubuntu .. is there graphical package installer as well as updater? :>
[11:01] <MrSunshine> would mek me very happy ;>
[11:01] <tuskernini> hi there all
[11:02] <Pygi> MrSunshine: Synaptic ???
[11:02] <crimsun> MrSunshine: Applications> Add Applications?  System> Preferences> Synaptic?
[11:02] <crimsun> System> Administration> Synaptic, rather
[11:02] <MrSunshine> ohh :>
[11:02] <MrSunshine> i havent got it installed
[11:02] <MrSunshine> but thinking of it
[11:02] <MrSunshine> :>
[11:02] <MrSunshine> (ubuntu)
[11:02] <tuskernini> i need advice in buying a motherboard and cpu... what should i do? P or AMD?
[11:03] <MrSunshine> k or g ubuntu is the same as the base ubuntu? :>
[11:03] <j2daosh> damnit
[11:03] <MrSunshine> just that it defaults to gnome or kde?
[11:03] <j2daosh> how do i remount a drive?
[11:03] <Pygi> tuskernini: hehe, this is not a computer board and cpu discussion ;)
[11:03] <j2daosh> lol yeah i know liable... should have listened... but i like doing things the hard way
[11:03] <j2daosh> lol
[11:03] <Pygi> j2daosh: with "umount"
[11:03] <tuskernini> pygi : i realize, just got here
[11:04] <Pygi> tuskernini: np
[11:04] <j2daosh> no... pygi... i need to mount... not unmount
[11:04] <Pygi> well, then use mount ;)
[11:04] <j2daosh> lol i tried
[11:04] <j2daosh> but it said cant find it in fstab
[11:04] <tuskernini> man mount before you go ahead
[11:04] <onkarshinde> j2daosh: what do you want to mount?
[11:05] <zion_> whats the default /dev/??? for usb stick ?
[11:05] <j2daosh> my hard drive i just repartioned
[11:05] <crimsun> zion_: /dev/sdX
[11:05] <onkarshinde> zion_: /dev/sda1
[11:05] <zion_> thnx
[11:05] <tiglionabbit> don't usb sticks mount automatically and appear on your desktop?  They should
[11:05] <silverton> argh!  I just give up on the nvidia module...
[11:05] <zion_> even if they do i dont want that
[11:05] <No1Viking> A hard nut to crack for you all: I want to syncronise a SonyEricsson P900, how do i succeed with that?
[11:06] <onkarshinde> j2daosh: 'sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/partition /dir' should do. Put approriate values
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> zion_: what do you want then?  (sorry, just got here)
[11:06] <j2daosh> on... do wha?
[11:06] <j2daosh> lol
[11:06] <zion_> just to mo
[11:06] <j2daosh> u must have me confused with someone who aint a noob
[11:06] <j2daosh> lol
[11:06] <zion_> mount it
[11:06] <Pygi> if it says it isnt in /etc/fstab then add it there
[11:06] <j2daosh> but i dont know what options i need to put in there
[11:06] <onkarshinde> j2daosh: didn't you understand my reply?
[11:07] <j2daosh> lol on... no
[11:07] <j2daosh> oh
[11:07] <j2daosh> nevbermind
[11:07] <j2daosh> lol
[11:07] <silverton> j2daosh, why are you typing "on..." ?
[11:07] <No1Viking> A hard nut to crack for you all: I want to syncronise a SonyEricsson P900 with, for example, evolution, how do i succeed with that?
[11:07] <tacosauce> hi. i just tried to install ubuntu but it failed to detect my DHCP settings, but I continued anyways and then it says please wait loading partition screen and then it just stalls with a blue background. anyone have any help for me?
[11:08] <onkarshinde> No1Viking: is it using bluetooth?
[11:08] <j2daosh> hey on... when u say /dir at the end of that command... what should i put there?
[11:08] <No1Viking> onkarshinde, can use both bluetooth and cable
[11:09] <No1Viking> onkarshinde, but are using cable at the moment
[11:09] <j2daosh> what the fuck...? ok
[11:09] <Pygi> j2daosh: for example /media/disk or somethin'
[11:09] <j2daosh> oh...
[11:10] <onkarshinde> No1Viking: check package p3nfs and multisync
[11:10] <j2daosh> unknown file system ext3
[11:10] <No1Viking> oKtosiTe, thanks
[11:10] <j2daosh> unknown filesystem /ext3
[11:10] <Pygi> j2daosh: well, have you formated the disk?
[11:10] <Pygi> partition*
[11:10] <onkarshinde> j2daosh: what filesystems did you make on that partitioned drive? It may not be ext3
[11:11] <j2daosh> yeah its an ext3
[11:11] <mustard5> tacosauce, is this your first attempt?
[11:11] <tacosauce> mustard5: yes
[11:11] <tacosauce> mustard5: well i just tried 3 times in a row
[11:11] <mustard5> tacosauce, what type of system are you installing on?
[11:12] <tacosauce> AMD Duron
[11:12] <Pygi> j2daosh: are you sure? ;)
[11:12] <mustard5> tacosauce, anything special about the partitions?
[11:12] <j2daosh> /dev/hdb2       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[11:12] <j2daosh> thats what my fstab says
[11:12] <tacosauce> mustard5: i have two hard drives. windows is on the master and it's the one i want to overwrite. i want to leave the other one alone.
[11:12] <ubuntu-newbie-s> hi
[11:13] <ubuntu-newbie-s> i am having problems with sudo gedit all time i get errors
[11:13] <mustard5> tacosauce, k  *thinking*
[11:13] <onkarshinde> ubuntu-newbie-s: what errors?
[11:13] <j2daosh> what is that errors=remount-ro thing?
[11:13] <tacosauce> mustard5: is there a chance that even though it couldnt detect my DHCP info during installation, that it will work later on?
[11:13] <DrColossus> ubuntu-newbie-s: gksudo is better for graphical apps... try gksudo gedit
[11:14] <mustard5> tacosauce, yeah..you can manual set it up later assuming your hardware is supported
[11:14] <tacosauce> mustard5: i once ran freebsd on this exact hardware setup
[11:14] <onkarshinde> j2daosh: it says that if there is some problem with mounting read/write then it will mount read only. You will know there was error and can make a quick backup
[11:14] <j2daosh> what the.... fstab is all kinds of fucked up
[11:14] <ubuntu-newbie-s> http://pastebin.com/467639
[11:14] <mustard5> tacosauce, thats a good sign then :)
[11:14] <ubuntu-newbie-s> here is the error
[11:14] <burepe> ubuntu-newbie-s, try sudo nano
[11:14] <j2daosh> ok...is there a proggie to fix my fstab?
[11:14] <ubuntu-newbie-s> i am not good usin nanon
[11:15] <j2daosh> it has drives listed that aren't there
[11:15] <mustard5> tacosauce, have you tried hitting F1 and looking through some of the special install options?
[11:15] <tacosauce> mustard5: yes, but i feel stuck already. i dont know why it would do this. maybe i should just let it sit at the blue screen for 30 minues?
[11:15] <ubuntu-newbie-s> are there any other edit programs to use
[11:15] <j2daosh> and the ones that it does have aint right
[11:15] <tacosauce> mustard5, i briefly glanced but im not sure how they can help
[11:15] <tiglionabbit> j2daosh: there is.  Get the xfce fstab manager--  go to Applications -> add programs, and go down to system tools in there and check it
[11:15] <mustard5> tacosauce, naah..it shouldnt do that
[11:15] <sorush20> anyone here using dapper?
[11:15] <mustard5> tacosauce, I wonder if you actually formatted your windows drive whether it might work
[11:15] <ubuntu-newbie-s> gksudo gedit
[11:15] <ubuntu-newbie-s> (gedit:8260): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[11:15] <ubuntu-newbie-s> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[11:15] <tiglionabbit> j2daosh: system -> admin -> disks might work for you as well
[11:16] <mustard5> tacosauce, do you have a live CD as well as an install CD?
[11:16] <j2daosh> ok got fstab manager up...
[11:16] <j2daosh> now what lol?
[11:16] <tacosauce> mustard5: no just the install
[11:16] <tacosauce> mustard5: maybe i should try live?
[11:16] <tiglionabbit> j2daosh: now use it
[11:17] <mustard5> tacosauce, hmmm k..yeah..I wonder if you get the liveCD whether you can format the windows drive with that
[11:17] <ubuntu-newbie-s> why no help for me
[11:17] <mustard5> tacosauce, then again..you might not want to format if it isnt going to install :)
[11:17] <j2daosh> lol i would love to use it but i dont know what is what
[11:17] <mustard5> tacosauce, catch22 :)
[11:17] <tacosauce> mustard5: haha yeah
[11:17] <j2daosh> is / my ubuntu partiotn... or /proc
[11:17] <j2daosh> lol
[11:17] <ubuntu-newbie-s> why no help for me
[11:18] <mustard5> tacosauce,  did you burn the ISO yourself?
[11:18] <onkarshinde> j2daosh: Will you stop typing lol?
[11:18] <sorush20> so hotplug is being repalced with udev?
[11:18] <onkarshinde> j2daosh: / is ubuntu partition
[11:18] <tacosauce> mustard5: yep. followed instructions exactly for NERO
[11:18] <crimsun> sorush20: already has been in dapper
[11:18] <mustard5> tacosauce, have you verified it at any stage?
[11:18] <mustard5> !verify
[11:18] <ubotu> I guess verify is to check the integrity of your installation media, one way is to visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto
[11:18] <ubuntu-newbie-s> heelllo
[11:18] <ubuntu-newbie-s> gksudo gedit
[11:18] <ubuntu-newbie-s> (gedit:8260): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[11:18] <ubuntu-newbie-s> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[11:18] <mustard5> tacosauce, I would check the installation media first
[11:19] <mustard5> tacosauce, ubotu has the instructions above
[11:19] <crimsun> ubuntu-newbie-s: please don't flood in here; use #flood or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:19] <jackoo> how to dual boot windows with ubuntu?
[11:19] <jackoo> xp
[11:19] <mustard5> tacosauce, you might need to download an md5sum checker of some kind in windows
[11:19] <Pygi> install win, then ubuntu
[11:19] <onkarshinde> ubuntu-newbie-s: do you have more than one users in your system?
[11:19] <zion_> jackoo lilo or grub
[11:19] <ubuntu-newbie-s> just one
[11:19] <onkarshinde> jackoo: just install Ubuntu and it will do everything for you
[11:20] <ubuntu-newbie-s> ubuntu sucks
[11:20] <mustard5> heh
[11:20] <zion_> ubuntu-newbie-s go fuck yourself
[11:20] <burepe> ha
[11:20] <mustard5> watch the language zion_
[11:20] <tacosauce> mustard5: i have faith that i made the ISO correctly though. i dont see what could have gone wrong.
[11:20] <zion_> kk
[11:20] <onkarshinde> ubuntu-newbie-s: are you trying to start gedit on remote machine?
[11:20] <burepe> i really like ubuntu
[11:20] <ubuntu-newbie-s> i never had problems with other linux distro with editin files
[11:20] <jackoo> i need both windows and ubuntu
[11:21] <onkarshinde> jackoo: that is why first install windows and then ubuntu
[11:21] <mustard5> tacosauce, there is always the slim chance the ISO was corrupted during the download
[11:21] <ubuntu-newbie-s> i want to edit my boot when my computer starts my pppoe willl be loaded
[11:21] <zion_> ubuntu-newbie-s, tried vi , pico ?
[11:21] <mustard5> tacosauce, you can check it using a md5sum checker
[11:21] <onkarshinde> jackoo: on separate partitions of course
[11:21] <tacosauce> mustard5: i accidentally tried to open up the ISO in NERO before it finished downloading. you think that could cause it?
[11:21] <mustard5> tacosauce, the md5 hash for the download is on the page you downloaded it from
[11:21] <ubuntu-newbie-s> what the hell u mean i am tryin to make a connection to a remote machine i am using gksudo gedit as u said
[11:21] <ubuntu-newbie-s> a-hole
[11:21] <mustard5> tacosauce, its always possible
[11:21] <mustard5> !ops
[11:21] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic or nalioth
[11:21] <jackoo> i need some helps about partitioning
[11:22] <onkarshinde> ubuntu-newbie-s: that doesn't need you to edit bootmisc. You can specify that in pppoeconf
[11:22] <[Kismet] > Hi all do you know if the pathes used by ubuntu to vanilia kernel and are like that when a driver needs to load a firmware it look for firmwarename.<uname -r> instead of jus firmwarename?
[11:22] <ubuntu-newbie-s> how
[11:22] <onkarshinde> ubuntu-newbie-s: sudo pppoeconf and it will ask if you want to start it at boot time.
[11:23] <tacosauce> mustard5: im just gonna redownload it and remake the ISO...that'll be fast than this md5 business
[11:23] <mustard5> tacosauce, if you like..its up to you :)
[11:23] <tacosauce> mustard5: appreciate the help
[11:23] <ubuntu-newbie-s> no it does not it asks me for my nic card concectrator
[11:23] <mustard5> tacosauce, np
[11:23] <onkarshinde> tacosauce: you can use jigdo so you can use existing iso and download only difference
[11:23] <jackoo> onkarshinde:how?
[11:23] <crimsun> mustard5: ?
[11:24] <mustard5> crimsun, a bit of an exchange going on between ubuntu-newbie-s and zion_
[11:24] <mustard5> crimsun, seems to have settled
[11:24] <ubuntu-newbie-s> how can i make the pppoe will be loaded everty time i start my ubuntu i dont want to run sudo pppoecon evertytime to get insternet connection
[11:24] <onkarshinde> jackoo: If your drive has only one partition then I suggest you first partition it using some live cd or boot disk
[11:25] <Moodles> I installed the nvidia-glx-legacy drivers, and tried loading the ezquake opengl client and i get these 2 error messages
[11:25] <Moodles> 8:53:33 pm Moodles2 Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:25] <Moodles> 8:53:33 pm Moodles2 Error: Error couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered, Depth visual
[11:25] !lilo:*! Restarting that main rotation server in a moment. Prepare for something of a split (about 2,400 users affected).
[11:25] <onkarshinde> ubuntu-newbie-s: you don't have to run it everytime run it just once and read ever dialog for that option. Try before you cry.
[11:26] <onkarshinde> Moodles: which card or chipset?
[11:26] <ubuntu-newbie-s> yes i read the dialog i clicked yes
[11:26] <ubuntu-newbie-s> when i reboot i need to start over again with sudo pppoeconf
[11:26] <onkarshinde> ubuntu-newbie-s: then what is problem?
[11:26] <Moodles> onkarshinde: pci tnt2 m64 with vivo
[11:26] <runevi> the kernel is continously spitting out errors such as:
[11:26] <runevi> [4332332.726000]  ata2: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[11:26] <runevi> [4332332.726000]  ata2: called with no error (51)!
[11:26] <runevi> ..should i be worried? :)
[11:26] <onkarshinde> ubuntu-newbie-s: no you need not. You only need one command 'pon dsl-provider'
[11:27] <ubuntu-newbie-s> yes i do that pon dsl-provider i whait 5 min i can not surf
[11:27] <ubuntu-newbie-s> i need to run again sudo pppoeconf
[11:27] <ubuntu-newbie-s> yes i do that pon dsl-provider i whait 5 min i can not surf
[11:27] <ubuntu-newbie-s> i need to run again sudo pppoeconf
[11:27] <sorush20> !udev
[11:27] <Sage> hello
[11:28] <onkarshinde> ubuntu-newbie-s: What exact pon command you give?
[11:28] <ubuntu-newbie-s> pon dsl-provider
[11:28] <ubuntu-newbie-s> and allso sudo pon dsl-provider
[11:28] <onkarshinde> No sudo needed. After pon you can check log with 'plog -f'
[11:29] <ubuntu-newbie-s>  plog -f
[11:29] <ubuntu-newbie-s> nothing happens
[11:30] <onkarshinde> ubuntu-newbie-s: immediately after you do pon
[11:30] <onkarshinde> ubuntu-newbie-s: of course on command line
[11:31] <ubuntu-newbie-s> yes
[11:31] <ubuntu-newbie-s> but if i reboot i need to start over with sudo pppoeconf
[11:32] <onkarshinde> ubuntu-newbie-s: Can't help you
[11:32] <MrSunshine> ough
[11:32] <MrSunshine> and im downloading the live cd insted of the install cd
[11:32] <MrSunshine> smart move
[11:32] <MrSunshine> or?
[11:33] <ubuntu-newbie-s> i did now
[11:33] <mustard5> MrSunshine, are you using a different nick?
[11:33] <ubuntu-newbie-s>  poff dsl-provider
[11:33] <ubuntu-newbie-s> /usr/bin/poff: /bin/kill failed.  None stopped.
[11:33] <ubuntu-newbie-s> see i killed my connection and i am still online
[11:33] <ubuntu-newbie-s> this is insane
[11:33] <MrSunshine> mustard5, why ?
[11:33] <gib8> hi
[11:33] <ubuntu-newbie-s> hello
[11:33] <mustard5> MrSunshine, I'm wondering whether you are tacosauce
[11:33] <MrSunshine> no :>
[11:34] <MrSunshine> had sys2 as nick before :>
[11:34] <mustard5> MrSunshine, k :)
[11:34] <onkarshinde> ubuntu-newbie-s: may be because you started it wih sudo. so will have to kill using sudo kill
[11:34] <mustard5> MrSunshine, tacosauce is downloading an ISO too, thats all :)
[11:34] <MrSunshine> hehe :P
[11:34] <MrSunshine> luckly i get the isos in under an hour but still ...annoying when you got to 50% and then read live cd :P
[11:34] <sorush20> will my hotplug system be safe if I install udev?
[11:35] <mustard5> sorush20, I have no idea :)
[11:35] <mustard5> sorush20, what does udev do?
[11:36] <onkarshinde> sorush20: i don't think udev is replacement of hotplug
[11:36] <mustard5> MrSunshine, heh...yes it would be :)
[11:37] <ndlovu> !shockwave
[11:37] <ubotu> Unfortunately there is no shockwave available for Linux (unless you use wine).  Please lobby Macromedia!
[11:37] <MrSunshine> btw, anyone using the amd64 version?* :>
[11:38] <MrSunshine> and know how mature it is?
[11:38] <MrSunshine> last i used an amd64 linux like very package was outdated by 6months :P
[11:38] <sorush20> onkarshinde: I don't really know much more about it
[11:38] <runevi> MrSunshine: Seems to run allright
[11:38] <runevi> MrSunshine: I use it on my box.
[11:38] <runevi> runevi@shiny:~$ uname -a
[11:38] <runevi> Linux shiny 2.6.12-9-amd64-generic #1 Mon Oct 10 13:27:39 BST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:38] <MrSunshine> runevi, no package problems etc? :>
[11:39] <runevi> MrSunshine: None yet.
[11:39] <Pygi> how many people ;)
[11:39] <MrSunshine> great :>
[11:39] <sorush20> any girls in here?
[11:39] <runevi> MrSunshine: except maybe one.
[11:39] <runevi> MrSunshine: I've not gotten my wmv playback in mplayer working yet.
[11:39] <Pygi> what is happening? flooding again? :/
[11:39] <runevi> MrSunshine: Has worked on ALL non-amd64 machines.
[11:39] <ndlovu> !flash
[11:39] <runevi> MrSunshine: But not certain that it's because of amd64.
[11:40] <ndlovu> !flash
[11:40] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:40] <Pygi> !FreeFormats
[11:40] <ubotu> hmm... freeformats is There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[11:41] <onkarshinde> !FreeFormats
[11:41] <Pygi> not twice :/
[11:41] <onkarshinde> Pygi: ubotu is smart
[11:42] <Pygi> onkarshide: hehe
[11:42] <morphix> hmm.. does anyone know how to install and configure ClamAV so that it has the webinterface and also so that i can scan samba shares?
[11:42] <Seveas> !goodmorning
[11:42] <ubotu> Gooooooooooooooooooooooooodmorning #ubuntu! It looks like another beautiful ubuntuous day, may humanity be with you and your problems be solved :)
[11:43] <ndlovu> :)
[11:44] <gib8> i have a problem with alsa and nvmixer
[11:44] <gib8> how can i disable the nvmixer and use alsa?
[11:44] <ndlovu> am I right in thinking that shockwave animations won't work with ubuntu?
[11:45] <morphix> ur wrong.
[11:45] <MrSunshine> runevi, ahh .. now i remember.. that stupid codec problem
[11:45] <ndlovu> morphix: how can I get them to work?
[11:45] <MrSunshine> runevi, but shouldnt that fix itself as more and more 64bit codecs comes to windows? :>
[11:46] <morphix> i dunno.. but i know i can view shockwave animations.. i just installed shockwave plugins.
[11:47] <MrSunshine> runevi, or staticly link mplayer in a 32bit environment :>
[11:47] <MrSunshine> it will most probably be huge but will run under 64bit and be able to use 32bit codecs :<z
[11:52] <MrSunshine> btw, are most features already built into the ubuntu packages? .. in gentoo you can select what you want but in ubuntu ? :> ...
[11:53] <Seveas> MrSunshine, everything that is ok according to Ubuntu policy is in the packages
[11:53] <userbn> ghkljkl
[11:53] <MrSunshine> Seveas, k
[11:53] <userbn> hjlk
[11:53] <MrSunshine> dammit :P
[11:54] <morphix> does anyone know how to install and configure ClamAV so that it has the webinterface and also so that i can scan samba shares?
[11:56] <onkarshinde> morphix: I don't think there is web interface to clamav
[11:56] <mebsd> you want to greatly slow down the already slow samba
[11:58] <jones-> Hello
[11:58] <mustard5> welcome jones-
[11:58] <jones-> I'm running Ubuntu/PPC on my iBook, and have this problem: after a 'suspend', often esd won't work anymore
[11:58] <jones-> (thanks for the welcome mustard5)
[11:58] <mustard5> :)
[11:58] <jones-> anybody knows what should I check or something?
[11:59] <Spee_Der> Good morning everyone.
[11:59] <mustard5> greetings Spee_Der
[11:59] <runevi> Hmf.  This raid isn't the fastes I've been working with. ;)  Probably the punishment the gods are giving me for making a software raid out of sata. ;D
[11:59] <mebsd> good morning newbies
[11:59] <mustard5> jones-, not sure about that one
[11:59] <morphix> # Webmin ClamAV
[11:59] <morphix> * Supports: clamav
[11:59] <morphix> wbmclamav is a webmin module to manage Clam Antivirus written by Emmanuel Saracco.
[11:59] <morphix> ^^
[12:00] <samy-ubuntu> Hi all
[12:00] <Spee_Der> Hello samy
[12:02] <mustard5> jones-, check this thread out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57725&highlight=esd+suspend
[12:03] <samy-ubuntu> i 'm trying to install beagle 0.1.3 on a Dapper distro, but when i try to compile , i've got an error message saying that  Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.2 firefox-gtkmozembed) were not met , and i don't know where i can get this stuff
[12:03] <jones-> checkin
[12:03] <mustard5> jones-, its pretty sparse, but its an angle :)
[12:04] <Spee_Der> samy
[12:04] <onkarshinde> samy-ubuntu: isn't beagle already in repos?
[12:04] <Seveas> onkarshinde, it is
[12:04] <Spee_Der> I was just reading the how-to's
[12:04] <Seveas> samy-ubuntu, apt-get install beagle
[12:05] <samy-ubuntu> it is, but when i run it, best doesn't want to launch
[12:05] <mebsd> wtf is beagle
[12:05] <Seveas> desktop search thingie
[12:05] <Seveas> really cool, really fragile
[12:07] <kane77> morning everybody...
[12:07] <samy-ubuntu> Got a SIGSEGV while executing native code. This usually indicates
[12:07] <samy-ubuntu> a fatal error in the mono runtime or one of the native libraries
[12:07] <samy-ubuntu> used by your application.
[12:07] <samy-ubuntu>  it's what the screen displays when i try to run Best
[12:07] <bungle> beagle rocks
[12:07] <robotgeek> bungle: long time, agreed. beagle rocks :)
[12:15] <[Kismet] > Do you know I can I get infomation on the version of ipw2200 driver?
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[12:28] (ArkticWolf/#ubuntu) that.. was a pretty big netsplit.
[12:28] (wol_/#ubuntu) hello
[12:28] (mahangu_/#ubuntu) yeah
[12:28] (mahangu_/#ubuntu) pretty big alright
[12:28] (wol_/#ubuntu) please guide me for dialing 56 kbps modem
[12:29] (jenda/#ubuntu) wtf
[12:29] (dkg/#ubuntu) is there a channel for ubuntu server?
[12:29] (jenda/#ubuntu) dkg: me don't think so
[12:29] (Hobbsee/#ubuntu) jenda: server problems with freenode - they're fixing it
[12:30] <ArkticWolf> wol_: To start you off you'd want to use wvdial, it's the easyest dialup program i've used; sudo apt-get install wvdial
[12:30] <burepe> Hobbsee, what were thoes help commands? I got ops again
[12:30] <jenda> Hobbsee: OK. will irc.freenode.net be up anytime soon?
[12:32] <jenda> yeah...
[12:32] <gtk2> ArkticWolf, now THAT was a pretty big netsplit.
[12:32] <ArkticWolf> I stand corrected.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:33] <bungle> sure was
[12:33] <Hobbsee> pretty purple wave here...
[12:33] <bungle> very quick though
[12:33] <ArkticWolf> pretty blue wave here
[12:34] <bungle> green one here
[12:34] <gtk2> bungle, <x rated="yes">everything on freenode is fast.</x>
[12:34] <gtk2> well, mine was brown followed by green.
[12:34] <gtk2> which reminds me of spring.
[12:34] <bungle> lol
[12:34] <silverton> gtk2, werd
[12:35] <gtk2> forra love that 1/493 op to user ratio.
[12:35] <ArkticWolf> mine reminds me of.. snow and ...dirt :/
[12:35] <gtk2> i needed to be reminded of spring, thank you freenode
[12:35] <gtk2> <3 freenode
[12:36] <gtk2> on a side note, it's FREEZING here. :(
[12:36] <ArkticWolf> lol.
[12:37] <gtk2> oh, while it's quiet and not insane here...
[12:37] <gib8> i think for ArkticWolf its the best temperature ;)
[12:37] <gtk2> anyone have any idea why ubuntu is SO far behind on dbus? x.x;
[12:37] <gtk2> dbus is up to 0.6, ubuntu is way back at 0.31 i believe.
[12:38] <gib8> what can i do when my soundmodul for my card is defect? can i install that modul new?
[12:39] <gtk2> gib8, hm... how exactly is it defective?
[12:40] <ArkticWolf> nah, bugger that..lol
[12:40] <falls> hello , I use ubuntu 5.10 , but I can't search kdevelop/anjuta , where can I find them ?
[12:41] <ArkticWolf> falls: Have you enabled the universe repositories?
[12:41] <gib8> gtk2, /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/kernel/sound/pci/ac97/snd-ac97-codec.ko
[12:41] <gib8> /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/kernel/sound/pci/korg1212/snd-korg1212.ko
[12:41] <gib8> charly@kjb-ubuntu:~$ sudo modprobe snd-ac97-codec
[12:41] <gib8> Password:
[12:41] <gib8> charly@kjb-ubuntu:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:41] <gib8> --- no soundcards ---
[12:41] <gib8> charly@kjb-ubuntu:~$
[12:42] <gtk2> gib8, it's not currupt, there's something else going on.
[12:42] <gib8> gtk2, i installed the audiodrivers form the nforce and they r working not fine
[12:42] <gib8> and now i wanna have the old drivers back
[12:42] <gtk2> if it were corrupt, it'd throw out strange errors at you.
[12:43] <gib8> or a way to get alsa worked with my card ;)
[12:43] <gtk2> gib8, have you tried looking at the forums? i'm not very good with this stuff ;)
[12:43] <gtk2> there's some very nice alsa guides on the forums.
[12:43] <gib8> gtk2, yes i did intalling it like descripted in the german-wiki
[12:44] <brizio> -it
[12:46] <gtk2> another round please, sir?
[12:47] <ArkticWolf> pfft. you call that a netsplit, weak effort :\
[12:47] <kane__> so we have another spring... :)
[12:47] <gtk2> and there goes seveas's ops. ;)
[12:47] <gtk2> kane__, i'm feeling warmer already. :D
[12:49] <bungle> bye
[12:49] <d34th> hola?
[12:49] <bungle> and welcome back lol
[12:49] <jenda_busy> halo
[12:50] <[Kismet] > Hi
[12:50] <d34th> y toda esta pea?
[12:50] <morphix> can i install something in ubuntu using red hat/fedora rpm files?
[12:50] <ArkticWolf> now *That's* a netsplit.
[12:51] <jenda_busy> morphix: you can use alien
[12:51] <phyburn> where would i find my x11 file to config my reslution
[12:51] <ArkticWolf> morphix: look at alien.  it's a package converter you can use to comvert rpm to deb for installation.
[12:51] <morphix> i used that
[12:51] <morphix> but it didnt work.
[12:51] <pizux> is there anyway to change between gdm and kdm at startup?
[12:51] <jenda_busy> morphix: describe the error
[12:51] <ArkticWolf> phyburn: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:51] <bungle> what u tryong to install morphix ?
[12:52] <phyburn> ArkticWolf thanks
[12:52] <morphix> mcafee linuxshield.
[12:52] <morphix> there is no executable file.
[12:52] <robotgeek> phyburn: if you have both, sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[12:52] <ArkticWolf> np.
[12:52] <bungle> oh ok
[12:53] <bungle> what is that anyway morphix ?
[12:53] <bungle> ive never heard of it morphix
[12:53] <morphix> anti-virus
[12:53] <jenda_busy> I've heard of it...
[12:53] <bungle> ok
[12:54] <jenda_busy> when you "sudo alien blahmcafeeblah.rpm" what happens?
[12:54] <echo> hello there!
[12:55] <Hobbsee> hey echo
[12:56] <echo> I have a serious problem with my ubuntu...
[12:56] <morphix> :(
[12:57] <echo> I use it on a laptop (hp nx8220) and the mousepad i fukkked up, like half of it is used to scroll horizintal... :p
[12:58] <zion_> i have sheared folder .. trying to open it from winxp machine it asks me for a password and name .. which one is it ?/
[12:58] <gtk2> this is just so fun.
[12:58] <zion_> splits pisses me off
[12:58] <zion_> i have sheared folder .. trying to open it from winxp machine it asks me for a password and name .. which one is it ?
[12:58] <gtk2> zion_, cant be avoided, blame the bots.
[12:58] <ArkticWolf> when 5 of them happen in 20 minutes, it gets on the annoying side.
[12:58] <zion_> not blaming any one
[12:59] <Marxist> it's bearable
[12:59] <gtk2> ArkticWolf, they're cycling ALL hte freenode servers to apply the patch against bots, what do you expect?
[12:59] <echo> who invented spilts, im gonna split them!
[12:59] <echo> I use Ubuntu on a laptop (hp nx8220) and the mousepad i fukkked up, like half of it is used to scroll horizintal... :<
[12:59] <ArkticWolf> gtk2: i want to be splitted, eveyone else gets a ride and i dont :(
[01:00] <gtk2> ArkticWolf, you did get split ;)
[01:00] <ArkticWolf> i did? i just got disconnected, and I had to reconnect myself :/
[01:00] <gtk2> ArkticWolf, heh, your server split just before that. ;)
[01:01] <ArkticWolf> oh.
[01:01] <sciboy> Hey guys, i am having issues with the latest NVIDIA driver under Debian, 2 channels are better than one. =P
[01:01] <flankk> Is there an application to download and transfer podcasts to an iPod?  I can't seem to find anything.
[01:01] <Hoxzer> hey hey guys
[01:01] <Hoxzer> maan freenode finally working
[01:01] <Hoxzer> I can continue asking questions
[01:02] <zion_> can some one help me with shares ?
[01:02] <sciboy> So after installing 8174 via. module-assistant, i startx and my screen goes blank.
[01:02] <Hoxzer> so where do I need to save .dll files so wine can use them?
[01:02] <sciboy> I can't CTRL+ALT+F1, CTRL+ALT+BCKSPACE, nothing. So i have to hard reboot.
[01:02] <sciboy> Is there any news of such problems?
[01:02] <ArkticWolf> wine should be able to use DLL files relative to the applications directory when they are called
[01:03] <sciboy> Unfortunately i don't have access to a graphical enviroment at the moment.
[01:03] <flankk> Hello?
[01:03] <sciboy> G'day.
[01:03] <Hoxzer> Arktic: so if program paska needs dll file pillu.dll I just save it to where I have install paska?
[01:03] <ArkticWolf> flankk: i don't think so, but i'm not sure, google it
[01:04] <Hoxzer> *installed
[01:04] <ArkticWolf> Hoxzer: try it, can't hurt
[01:05] <silverton> sciboy, edit your xorg.conf file, replace the "nvidia" driver with "nv" and you'll be set for a gui, as for the nvidia driver, hang on
[01:05] <Hoxzer> ok, will do
[01:05] <silverton> sciboy, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75074
[01:05] <ArkticWolf> brb.
[01:05] <flankk> ArkticWolf, I have, and came up with nothing.  Lots of stuff about podcasting, which is easy as pie.  I can't just write a bash script because there are playlist databases on the ipod that need to be edited.  gtkpod uses them.. but doesn't deal with podcasts.  I'd like to think this would be a common question..
[01:06] <sciboy> Yay text-mode browsers.
[01:06] <silverton> k, don't need narration :P
[01:06] <defiance`> Hmm.
[01:07] <runevi> But in ubuntu - bc isn't included by default! ;)  (Yes, I consider that a bug ;)
[01:08] <runevi> Bug.
[01:09] <sciboy> Brb, switching to X.
[01:10] <burepe> Can anyone tell me something about tv tuner cards?
[01:12] <ndlovu> !mpg
[01:12] <ubotu> ndlovu: Not a clue
[01:12] <ndlovu> can somebody help me figure out why I get pink and blue lines when viewing a .mpeg in Totem?
[01:13] <ndlovu> I've installed gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg w32codecs...
[01:14] <ndlovu> file tells me warriors-700-VBR.mpeg: MPEG sequence, v1, system multiplex
[01:15] <funkyHat> I have a big problem with apt...
[01:15] <silverton> okay...
[01:15] <funkyHat> It looks like it just can't see any packages
[01:15] <silverton> 0.o
[01:16] <funkyHat> no matter what I put in after sudo apt-get install I always get E: Couldn't find package
[01:16] <funkyHat> and then either the name of the package or a DIRECTORY in the path I specified
[01:17] <funkyHat> :/ And since when did Ubuntu apt have super cow powers?
[01:17] <silverton> ...
[01:18] <silverton> dude
[01:18] <silverton> apt has super cow powers period
[01:18] <silverton> noduh ;D
[01:18] <funkyHat> Debian apt always did, but Ubuntu apt never used to :P
[01:18] <funkyHat> I swear it :P
[01:18] <silverton> funkyHat, try sudo apt-get update
[01:18] <funkyHat> ARGH
[01:19] <ArkticWolf> In Flames - Trigger
[01:19] <ArkticWolf> :D
[01:19] <funkyHat> It was dpkg I wanted wasn't it *'_'*
[01:20] <silverton> what you have .deb files downloaded and you're trying to install those?
[01:20] <ProN00b> i need a tutorial on how to set up ubuntu as an internet gateway for my lan, can anyone point me some tutorial ? (lan on eth0, internet on ppp0 pppoe oveer eth1)
[01:20] <funkyHat> silverton, Yeah haha, mental block. It's gone now, everything's working find
[01:20] <funkyHat> *fine
[01:21] <silverton> dpkg -i foo.deb ;D
[01:21] <ProN00b> teh help !
[01:21] <ddaa> Duh
[01:22] <ddaa> what's the proper package to file a bug against?
[01:23] <ProN00b> does anyone have a tutorial for setting up ubuntu as an gateway ?
[01:23] <zion_> i think any  other tutorial on setting up a gateway will work aswell
[01:24] <ProN00b> zion_, do you have one ?
[01:24] <ndlovu> if a video's not playing in totem, am I likely to have more luck installing xine-ui or mplayer?
[01:24] <zion_> nope .. but i thing google might have
[01:24] <rob_p> ProN00b:  http://rob.pectol.com/content/view/12/27/
[01:24] <ArkticWolf> ProN00b: I'm not aware of one, but I can show you how to do NAT from ppp0 to your LAN?
[01:25] <ddaa> there's a famous howto from Rusty Russel about NAT
[01:25] <pmab> hi, ive just installed ubuntu, but networking seems really dodgy...
[01:25] <ArkticWolf> easily done via iptables, few lines of script.
[01:25] <zoka> He people
[01:25] <ProN00b> ArkticWolf, would apreciate that
[01:26] <ArkticWolf> Okay, hold on
[01:26] <zoka> which distribution would you recomend me for internet club at my univercity
[01:26] <zoka> edu variant or noraml dist
[01:26] <ArkticWolf> Ubuntu is fine, I use it here
[01:27] <zoka> edu variant looks like for primary school
[01:28] <ArkticWolf> ProN00b: http://www.wolfbox.kicks-ass.net/ipmasq.sh << That is my NAT script.  works perfectly for me, blocks some ports, but leaves others open.  excuse the slowness, i'm uploading and downloading full knockers
[01:28] <sciboy> Okey, now this is interesting... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343186
[01:29] <jenda_busy> Hey - waht's better: 512 megs of RAM or two pieces @ 256 each?
[01:29] <sciboy> Even more so, cause it's coming from another user of a Toshiba laptop.
[01:29] <jenda_busy> PS: urgent :)
[01:29] <ArkticWolf> 2 sticks of 256MB is better
[01:29] <ArkticWolf> providing it's DDR
[01:29] <ProN00b> ArkticWolf, what you mean, which ports are open to the internet with that, the one of the gateway, or the one of the box in the lan ?
[01:29] <jenda_busy> ArkticWolf: thanks
[01:29] <ArkticWolf> ports are open to the gateway
[01:30] <ArkticWolf> and the gateway only
[01:30] <ArkticWolf> only if you forward ports, will the be open to the specified LAN IP
[01:30] <ArkticWolf> they*
[01:30] <ProN00b> why is it dropping 139 and 445 then ?
[01:30] <ProN00b> ubuntu doesn't usually got those ports open *_*
[01:30] <ArkticWolf> cause I run samba on this box, things like to dump windoze viruses on it.
[01:31] <ArkticWolf> you don't need the last 2 lines also.
[01:31] <ProN00b> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $EXT_IF -j MASQUERADE
[01:31] <ProN00b> thats all i need ?
[01:31] <ProN00b> how can i disable that line again ?
[01:31] <ArkticWolf> and echo "1" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[01:32] <sdakota> hi guys
[01:32] <ProN00b> how can i disable that iptables line again ?
[01:32] <sdakota> the apt package that has most dependancies....
[01:32] <sciboy> Okey, i believe i am suffering from the same bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343186 : and i find it even more suspicious considering that i am using a Toshiba Satellite 5205-S505, and the user reports using a toshiba laptop aswell.
[01:33] <sdakota> I think it's kde, it wants to install about 300 packages
[01:33] <sdakota> sciboy, that's debian.org, this is #ubuntu.
[01:34] <pinkisntwell> does anyone else here think that ubuntu's fonts for firefox suck big time?
[01:34] <ProN00b> ArkticWolf, can you tell me how to disable that again ?
[01:34] <sdakota> euhh... X-Window is installed but startx doesn't work ... how to start up X-Window?
[01:35] <ArkticWolf> Pron00b: iptables -t nat -D <rule number>
[01:35] <ArkticWolf> you will have to do iptables -t nat -L
[01:35] <ArkticWolf> and look at the number it is
[01:35] <ddaa> pinkisntwell: I disagree. I do have to adjust the default size of the monospace font to match the normal font, but otherwise it's great.
[01:35] <sciboy> sdakota: I fail to see the point.
[01:35] <sciboy> sdakota: The same problem would apply under Ubuntu aswell.
[01:35] <Muldy>  will a module compiled for ia-32 kernel work on the x86-64 kernel?
[01:36] <ArkticWolf> and to disable outgoing packet switching, do `echo "0" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/forward
[01:36] <sciboy> Muldy: I doubt it, we are talking kernel modules after all.
[01:37] <pinkisntwell> ddaa: also greek fonts, I had to install msttcorefonts to make greek fonts bearable in firefox
[01:37] <Muldy> sciboy, hmmm yeah.. probably wishful thinking heh
[01:37] <sdakota> so how to start the x-window system?
[01:38] <robotgeek> pinkisntwell: install gsfonts-x11, msttcorefonts and see if that helps
[01:38] <ProN00b> ArkticWolf, what number ? *_*
[01:38] <ArkticWolf> iptables -t nat -L to see what it is
[01:38] <ArkticWolf> it should be 1
[01:38] <pinkisntwell> robotgeek: yes, but it's *really* ugly needing to install ms fonts on a linux system out of the box
[01:38] <ArkticWolf> if it claims about index deletion too big you already deleted it
[01:39] <meepy> whats the command to show all the info about your linux box in console? :) Like mhz, gcc version, graphic card and so on?
[01:39] <LCamel> sdakota: maybe there are some messages in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[01:39] <robotgeek> pinkisntwell: maybe you need to reconfigure your fonts rendering
[01:39] <pinkisntwell> robotgeek: meaning?
[01:39] <Muldy> what's the url of a ubuntu package repository?
[01:39] <robotgeek> pinkisntwell: is this a lcd, cause my fonts are sweet
[01:39] <ProN00b> ArkticWolf, there is not a single number when i run that command, only something like "MASQUERADE  all  --  anywhere             anywhere
[01:39] <ProN00b> "
[01:40] <Muldy> i'm in windows, and i need to manually download a few packages
[01:40] <ArkticWolf> yeah
[01:40] <ArkticWolf> Pron00b: is it the first one?
[01:40] <pinkisntwell> robotgeek: no, this is a crt
[01:40] <sdakota> LCamel: No, Just noticed, I forgot to install x-window-system-core package, probably startx is in that
[01:40] <robotgeek> pinkisntwell: sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[01:40] <bimberi> Muldy: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[01:40] <Stormx> Yay freenode is back
[01:40] <Stormx> what happened to it?
[01:40] <ProN00b> ArkticWolf, no, there is other stuff
[01:41] <ProN00b> but it seems to be the first rule
[01:41] <ArkticWolf> okay, well what number is it in the list?
[01:41] <ArkticWolf> you have to count yourself
[01:41] <joedj> meepy: linuxinfo will give you some of it
[01:41] <ProN00b> its the first and only rule i see when running that command, ArkticWolf
[01:41] <ArkticWolf> okay
[01:41] <ArkticWolf> use number 1
[01:42] <ArkticWolf> iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING 1
[01:42] <meepy> Hmm
[01:42] <bimberi> Stormx: i think it underwent some configuration changes - as an anti spambot measure
[01:42] <joedj> meepy: sudo apt-get install linuxinfo if you don't have it
[01:42] <ArkticWolf> will clear the rule
[01:42] <Stormx> bimberi: Goodo
[01:42] <robotgeek> pinkisntwell: did that help?
[01:42] <Muldy> bimberi, cheers, but i was thinking more along the lines of where the packages would actually lie, so that i can dig around and find an actual link to download it via firefox. i dont have the luxury of synaptic/apt-get right now
[01:42] <ProN00b> iptables: Bad rule (does a matching rule exist in that chain?)
[01:42] <robotgeek> Muldy: you can always download from packages.ubuntu.com
[01:43] <bimberi> Muldy: you can search for and download the packages (.deb files) via that site
[01:43] <pinkisntwell> robotgeek: i can configure them from system -> prefs -> fonts, no?
[01:43] <Muldy> oh
[01:43] <meepy> thanks
[01:43] <robotgeek> pinkisntwell: hmm, not sure. maybe, maybe not
[01:43] <Muldy> robotgeek, bimberi : i see the links now. i missed htem in my gloss over before. cheers.
[01:43] <ProN00b> works, thanks, ArkticWolf
[01:43] <pinkisntwell> robotgeek: ok, i'll take a look
[01:44] <ArkticWolf> np.
[01:44] <ArkticWolf> on that note i'm going to play some games.
[01:45] <bimberi> Muldy: np :) (btw http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/ might have been what you had in mind but the packages site might be better)
[01:46] <Muldy> bimberi, cheers
[01:47] <Toba> !tell me about distupgrade
[01:48] <sdakota> uuh - one question -- would it be a good idea to make a way to make ubuntu as easy as windows in some things? For example, that new Linux users get a good impression of it! Euh, like a program that tells the user about what to do if they want to do something (like if they want to make an article, use OpenOffice which looks like Word, etc etc)
[01:49] <ganJi>    
[01:49] <ganJi> 
[01:49] <sdakota> ganJi: ?
[01:49] <ganJi> khaha
[01:50] <ganJi> nee niche
[01:50] <rob1> no
[01:50] <Toba> sdakota: basically the control panel in xp mode?
[01:50] <Toba> but for linux?
[01:50] <ganJi> a vi vse inostrancy chto li?
[01:50] <sdakota> Toba: Yes and no -- let me explain a bit......
[01:50] <Toba> k
[01:50] <Toba> this sounds somewhat interesting for new people
[01:50] <ajmitch> ganJi: english in here, please
[01:51] <sdakota> Toba: In windows, people download EXE's and run them, these EXE's do everything for them and they don't have to do anything (in most situations)
[01:51] <Toba> heh
[01:51] <Toba> that's a bad thing.
[01:51] <ndlovu> when I play video I can hear audio but only see strange green and pink lines (in any player) - is this likely to be the codec or my graphics setup or what?
[01:51] <Toba> because guess what?  The installers are not standardized.
[01:51] <Toba> ndlovu: codecs
[01:52] <Toba> hvae you tried using VLC?
[01:52] <sdakota> Toba: If installing a program needs a little more maintenance then that, general people will fail to install the program correctly, they need someone who knows more about computers to install the program for them
[01:52] <Toba> sdakota: that's what repositories are for
[01:52] <Toba> they work great
[01:52] <ndlovu> !vlc
[01:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, vlc is a video/audio player that supports almost everything - See http://www.videolan.org/ for more information (VLC is in the repos)
[01:52] <ndlovu> toba: thanks, will try that
[01:52] <Toba> :)
[01:52] <Toba> np
[01:52] <ganJi> poshli vy vse inostrannie urodi...
[01:53] <sdakota> Toba: Now - in linux situations... people can't just download a file and run it etc.
[01:53] <Toba> yes they can.
[01:53] <Toba> look at firefox.
[01:53] <sdakota> Toba: Most programs can only be installed using the console
[01:53] <Toba> 1.5 is not yet in the repos by I installed it that way
[01:53] <Toba> sdakota: well that's not the fault of the distro
[01:53] <Hoxzer> where does apt-get save .deb files it downloads?
[01:54] <Toba> that's the fault of the people making the program
[01:54] <Toba> if they put it in the community maintained repositories then it's easier
[01:54] <sdakota> Toba: I know, yes
[01:54] <jk> Hoxzer:  /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:54] <Hoxzer> thx
[01:54] <Toba> most people, having been used to windows, can't get used to looking in the repository for what they need instead of googling though
[01:54] <Toba> the repositories have nearly everything you will ever want
[01:55] <sdakota> Toba: I know
[01:55] <sdakota> Toba: but even aptitude is more then general Windows people can do
[01:55] <jk> every software project should build ubuntu debs and ubuntu should make debs executable, making it automatically download dependencies ;-)
[01:55] <Toba> sdakota: that's why we have synaptic
[01:55] <Toba> jk: that, sir, is an awesome idea.
[01:56] <sdakota> Toba, jk: Thats exactly what I mean!
[01:56] <jk> Toba: in Dapper, it's already possible to just doubleclick on a .deb to install it afaik
[01:56] <Toba> jk: 6.04?
[01:56] <funkyHat> nice
[01:56] <Toba> that's awesome....
[01:56] <Toba> anyways
[01:56] <sdakota> Toba, jk: they just download a file, or click a file, or whatever, and everything is being done for them in a comfortable environment
[01:56] <Toba> heh
[01:56] <Toba> lazy asses
[01:56] <Toba> but I know what you mean
[01:56] <Toba> hrm
[01:57] <Toba> I just did dist-upgrade
[01:57] <sdakota> Toba, jk: Heh ^^ I could just go in commercial industriy ^_^
[01:57] <Toba> so am I now using breezy? o_0
[01:57] <sdakota> Toba: No, you need to edit sources.list too for that
[01:57] <Toba> o rly
[01:57] <Toba> oh to use the new repos
[01:57] <Toba> durrr
[01:57] <Toba> in /etc right?
[01:57] <sdakota> funkyHat: Yea, it needs protection to that too
[01:58] <funkyHat> sdakota, how would one go about creating this protection though?
[01:58] <sdakota> for example, a smart program
[01:58] <sdakota> funkyHat, Very easy! It won't download from everywhere, but with a special program that only downloads from a secure host - and md5 can also be used ^^
[01:58] <Hoxzer> OMG
[01:59] <funkyHat> sdakota, may as well use synaptic then, if it will only download from a certain list of hosts
[01:59] <arod_> I'm unable to install 'permit cookies' extension. any hint?
[01:59] <arod_> https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=44&application=firefox
[01:59] <sdakota> funkyHat: Think about 2 types of servers: One will contain all MD5 sums, and the other will have all the files - there is only 1 md5-server and lots of the other types
[01:59] <shadeofgrey> hey
[01:59] <sdakota> funkyHat, Even synaptic is out of the range for usual Windows users
[02:00] <shadeofgrey> anybody know of a good sources.list file for upgrading to dapper?
[02:00] <funkyHat> sdakota, sounds good, but that requires that either the developers of all those pacakges register with ubuntu + every other distro that takes the idea on board,
[02:00] <funkyHat> or you have ubuntu engineers running about collecting the .debs and putting up the md5s
[02:00] <sdakota> funkyHat, yup....
[02:01] <funkyHat> I don't think either of those options is 100% viable
[02:01] <funkyHat> As both sides can argue why should we bother
[02:01] <sdakota> funkyHat, an md5 is easily made - Programmers can create a program, upload the source code to some automatic program, this program creates a .deb and a md5, uploads both to the main server, and all mirror servers download the .deb from the main server, and you're done
[02:02] <shadeofgrey> okay look
[02:02] <shadeofgrey> i need to know something
[02:02] <shadeofgrey> if i upgrade to dapper am i going to lose my install of FF 1.5 which i installed manually?
[02:02] <funkyHat> sdakota, and make provisions for programmers that don't want to release their source code
[02:02] <shadeofgrey> because i upgraded to 1.5 on my own
[02:02] <shadeofgrey> becausethe ubuntu version of 1.5 is dog ass slow
[02:02] <sdakota> funkyHat: It will increase the use of Linux due to the easy usability, and thus increase the attention for other programmers and game makers, and as soon as some games start coming out for linux, the use will increase even more
[02:03] <wim> hmmm ,the source code of FF is available, right?
[02:03] <shadeofgrey> true
[02:03] <shadeofgrey> wim:  you can get the tarball off mozilla.org right now
[02:03] <funkyHat> shadeofgrey, You might not loose it, but if you don't uninstall before upgrading, you might break all sorts of things
[02:03] <funkyHat> shadeofgrey, where have you installed ff1.5?
[02:03] <sdakota> funkyHat: Ok - but what about this - the source code is securily (SSL) being uploaded to the Main Server, and the source code is saved encrypted
[02:03] <shadeofgrey> uhm...  opt/firefox i think
[02:04] <funkyHat> sdakota, how do you assure the programmers of that? why not simply allow them to upload the binary packages?
[02:04] <shadeofgrey> how the hell do i manually uninstall ff 1.5
[02:04] <shadeofgrey> i never thought about that
[02:04] <shadeofgrey> damn
[02:04] <funkyHat> shadeofgrey, you'll be fine then, it won't break stuff
[02:04] <wim> shadeofgrey, cheers found it
[02:05] <shadeofgrey> look
[02:05] <funkyHat> shadeofgrey, to uninstall, sudo make uninstall (when in the source directory)
[02:05] <shadeofgrey> all i need to work is FF openoffice and thunderbird and xchat
[02:05] <shadeofgrey> i just wanna see dapper cause everybody says its off the chain
[02:06] <Muldy> are they integrating any tpm stuff into dapper/
[02:06] <rob1> I have dapper working on my laptop
[02:06] <shadeofgrey> i just TOTALLY dont want to end up with the situation i had the first time i installed breezy
[02:06] <rob1> few bugs though
[02:06] <mojo> anyone got good links to help me get my roms working with XMAME in Ubuntu?
[02:06] <shadeofgrey> nuked my whole damn install and had to start from scratch
[02:06] <sdakota> funkyHat: Because ...
[02:06] <shadeofgrey> i was PISSED
[02:07] <shadeofgrey> i thgink im going to pussy out and just wait
[02:07] <funkyHat> sdakota, because?
[02:07] <funkyHat> :P
[02:07] <tautau> Hi guys, give me pls HOWTO to configure audio mixing.
[02:07] <sdakota> funkyHat: Bad programmers could change things on their system ... maybe ... you never know, they could mess things up if providing bad binaries (or something)
[02:07] <funkyHat> The problem is, with your system, malicious programmers can still upload malicios code, and even have it automatically packaged for them for various distributions
[02:08] <tautau> The one I used is not working http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[02:08] <wim> i remember reading somewhere that it should be possible to compile FF in 32 bit mode or something to make flash work on my 64 bit os, is this correct=?
[02:08] <antisocial_boris> can anyone help me get my wireless network card working?
[02:08] <shadeofgrey> DONT USE UBUNTUGUIDE
[02:08] <shadeofgrey> its oooooooooooooolllllllllddddddddddddd
[02:08] <tautau> oki I understood this already
[02:08] <sdakota> funkyHat: Yea - that's true, but there could be some volunteers that check source code (there are a lot of people who do that now already)
[02:08] <funkyHat> It's old and was never recommended anyway
[02:09] <tautau> I know but cant find anything better in Google
[02:09] <shadeofgrey> funkyhat:  what do you rthink are the odds that my system will nuke if i go to dapper?  did i mention i haver an nvidia graphics card
[02:09] <funkyHat> shadeofgrey, your FF won't be an issue as you put it in /opt
[02:09] <mojo> shadeofgrey: hey try a small partition and test it, don't blast over your working install if you don't want to risk it yet.
[02:10] <shadeofgrey> well
[02:10] <funkyHat> shadeofgrey, but... dapper less than 2 months old... not frozen yet (am I right?) and likely to be very very buggy
[02:10] <shadeofgrey> yeah true that.  im waiting
[02:10] <tautau> funkyHat, so how should I configure it?
[02:10] <sdakota> funkyHat: I think KDE is already a perfect step in the good way - it is a lot like Windows and has a lot of things that work similar to Windows
[02:10] <grabakov> Hi, I found this channel through the ubuntu support page.
[02:10] <grabakov> I have just installed ubuntu and I am have some problems.
[02:11] <shadeofgrey> my grammer sucked there
[02:11] <funkyHat> I can't really give a definite answer, I upgraded to breezy 2 months before release and had not a single problem, but not everyone had the same luck as me ;)
[02:11] <grabakov> When the install has finished, I get an xwindows error.
[02:11] <shadeofgrey> but whatever i havent slept in 32 hours
[02:11] <mojo> grabakov: yep, this is the right place
[02:11] <miketech> good morning
[02:11] <funkyHat> lol
[02:11] <sdakota> funkyHat: Not that I admire windows .. i'm forced to use it because I sometimes play games too
[02:11] <dylan_> i have the lm-sensors applet enabled.  it says my computer is at about 120 farenheit...what is a dangerous temperature?
[02:11] <grabakov> It states that it cannot load gdm.
[02:11] <sdakota> shadeofgrey, 32 hours? Take a nap! The only time I didn't sleep for (more than) 32 hours is when I went to Canada - couldn't sleep the night before, couldn't sleep in the plane and couldn't sleep there o.O
[02:11] <grabakov> I have no idea where to go from here :(
[02:12] <ndlovu_> how can I check which graphics card I have? cat /proc/pci reveals nothing...
[02:12] <Chousuke> dylan_: What's that in centigrade? ;P
[02:12] <dylan_> Chousuke, no F
[02:12] <tautau> dylan_, convert it to normal temprature, celsius or kelvin
[02:12] <alexissoft> hi
[02:12] <shadeofgrey> sdakota:  nah im good...  i had a few cups of coffee and three cigarettes im ready to write another forty pages on my newst novel
[02:12] <grabakov> mojo, I certainly hope so.
[02:12] <Chousuke> oh, it's about 50 C
[02:12] <funkyHat> tautau, check out the ubuntu wiki, I don't really know how to configure sound properly as my system is a bit... unusual :P
[02:12] <dylan_> tautau, 50.0 C
[02:12] <sdakota> funkyHat: just finished installing Ubuntu in VMWare - could you name me a good IRC client ?
[02:12] <Chousuke> no, it shouldn't be dangerous.
[02:13] <shadeofgrey> i just wissh i could find another person to write with. ive never tagteamed on any fiction and would like to try
[02:13] <funkyHat> sdakota, x-chat
[02:13] <kyncani> ndlovu: use hal-device-manager
[02:13] <tautau> dylan_, its high but normal
[02:13] <shadeofgrey> sdakota:  xchat!
[02:13] <funkyHat> sdakota, I believe it's already installed
[02:13] <sdakota> shadeofgrey, I could try to help you - but I'm not very good at writing novels - in fact, I never tried
[02:13] <grabakov> It is strange, I have installed ubuntu three times now and I get the same error.
[02:13] <tautau> funkyHat, thx
[02:13] <grabakov> Does anybody have an idea?
[02:13] <CarinArr> hey.. has anyone got the dev version of kdevelop4 installed successfully? i'm having some compilation errors I can't quite fix
[02:13] <sdakota> funkyHat, shadeofgrey, ok, relogging in ^^
[02:13] <dylan_> tautau, should i add another fan?
[02:13] <shadeofgrey> grabakov:  what kind of graphics hardware are you using?
[02:14] <mojo> grabakov: what hardware you running?  (esp. graphics card info)
[02:14] <dylan_> tautau, i have a PCI exhaust fan, but it was loud....should i pop it back in?
[02:14] <tautau> Which CPU do U using?
[02:14] <grabakov> shadeofgrey: It's bog-standard radeon crap for laptops.
[02:14] <shadeofgrey> grabakov:  if its ati anything, go buy an nvidia card.  ati linux support blows rancid ardvark balls
[02:14] <ndlovu_> kyncani: thanks :)
[02:14] <kyncani> np
[02:14] <spacey_ki> ati should work fine
[02:14] <shadeofgrey> raedon is the problem.
[02:14] <zparta> is it possible to change the order the kernel loads modules ?
[02:14] <Chousuke> shadeofgrey: older cards work with free drivers.
[02:14] <zparta> i want to have my ite raid controller load before device-mapper
[02:15] <shadeofgrey> ive NEVER seen an ati anythging boot ubuntu successfully
[02:15] <tautau> Mine is AMD they more cold then Intel ovens. About 10 clecius.
[02:15] <grabakov> shadeofgrey: So I won't be able to run Ubuntu on Radeon?
[02:15] <Pls> hm
[02:15] <grabakov> shadeofgrey: not even with drivers?
[02:15] <tautau> dylan_,  I think 50 C is all right
[02:15] <shadeofgrey> grabakov:  in my persdonal opinion, you should ditch the ati shit if you can
[02:15] <shadeofgrey> if you cant
[02:15] <shadeofgrey> try old drivers
[02:16] <grabakov> shadeofgrey, it's a laptop ;)
[02:16] <djm62> I've used ubuntu with an ATI graphics card
[02:16] <shadeofgrey> old  old old
[02:16] <tautau> dylan_, But I have about 30C, 29-33
[02:16] <djm62> but ATI aren't making it easy on themselves
[02:16] <grabakov> djm62, and you did this without incident?
[02:16] <Moodles> i have a crashed fullscreen 3d opengl app, is there a ctrl+alt+delete for ubuntu/gnome
[02:16] <Pls> how to load Ubuntu on SATA hard drives? my installation stops in grub install proccess.. ?
[02:16] <shadeofgrey> moo:  no but theres a button you can assign to your launcher panel  called forcequit
[02:17] <kyncani> Moodles: goto console and kill the app from there ?
[02:17] <funkyHat> sdakota, irc.ubuntu... is freenode btw
[02:17] <rudi__> any specific drivers I should install to get trident cyberblade working properly?
[02:17] <shadeofgrey> Moodles:  right click on the top status bar and select add to panel, select forcequit, and then use it to close the misbehaving app
[02:17] <grabakov> But that's bizarre though - how could they release a product that didn't have support for the most popular gfx brand?
[02:17] <Moodles> i cant see the desktop at all, just the artifacting 3d ap
[02:18] <shadeofgrey> grabakov:  no you have it backwards.  ati hasnt weritten GOOD linux drivers ever
[02:18] <djm62> grabakov: it's not a choice...ati have chosed not to support linux, they are at fault
[02:18] <miketech> hm will Xorg 7.0 be included in Ubuntu dapper?
[02:18] <kyncani> Moodles: go to console (ctrl+alt+f1)
[02:18] <grabakov> Wow. I have always supported ATI... I had no idea.
[02:18] <shadeofgrey> grabakov: thats why they suck rancid ardvark balls from here to wherevver and back again
[02:18] <grabakov> ardvark ey? ;)
[02:18] <grabakov> Where are you from shadeofgrey?
[02:18] <shadeofgrey> if you wanna run linux buy nvidia
[02:19] <shadeofgrey> grabakov:  usa.
[02:19] <djm62> grabakov: they'll support it as soon as it boosts profits, which will be a couple of years, most likely
[02:19] <Chousuke> shadeofgrey: OR and older Radeon that works with the Free drivers.
[02:19] <grabakov> shadeofgrey, then I need a new computer...
[02:19] <Chousuke> :P
[02:19] <Chousuke> What radeon do you have?
[02:19] <Chousuke> an*
[02:19] <Chousuke> :P
[02:19] <frogzoo> any ideas why my qemu xp install stops when the window loses focus?
[02:19] <shadeofgrey> or like chousuke said...  use the free drivers
[02:19] <grabakov> Chousuke, never bothered to check... one sec
[02:19] <u|qos> is there a possibility to get an overview about all running transfers of vsftpd`?
[02:20] <Nomikos> 
[02:20] <grabakov> Chousuke, XPRESS 200M
[02:20] <Chousuke> ok, wtf is that. :P
[02:20] <zparta> is it possible to change the order the kernel loads modules ?
[02:20] <grabakov> Chousuke, hahaha... well, that's my problem really...
[02:20] <Chousuke> is it like 9250 or older?
[02:20] <Chousuke> ;P
[02:20] <grabakov> It's a mobile card...
[02:21] <funkyHat> ack
[02:21] <shadeofgrey> i want a 30" cinema display...  i want one so bad id sell a kidney to get one
[02:21] <Chousuke> arfg
[02:21] <funkyHat> That always makes me laugh
[02:21] <kyncani> zparta: /etc/modules i believe
[02:21] <funkyHat> how can 30" be compared to a Cinema?
[02:21] <grabakov> Chousuke, will, umm... free drivers still work?
[02:21] <Chousuke> those  would be deadly to your neck.
[02:21] <Nomikos> i did some backup'ing and partitioning under OS X on the same disk that has the Ubuntu partition (but didn't touch that knowingly), and now booting back into linux i get "/pci@[etcetcetc] disk@1:12,/boot/vmlinux: Unknown or corrupt filesystem". am i up the proverbial creek without a paddle?
[02:21] <Chousuke> grabakov: try.
[02:21] <grabakov> Chousuke, well of course :p
[02:21] <shadeofgrey> nomasteryoda|w:  uh...  prolly
[02:22] <shadeofgrey> nomik:  uh prolly
[02:22] <Chousuke> anyway.
[02:22] <Chousuke> I think I might go to the store now.
[02:22] <funkyHat> Guys.... I thought that ATI did work no problem without acceleration (a bit of a downer I know, but better than having no X)
[02:22] <Nomikos> shadeofgrey: botheration. suggestions on how to recover some of the data?
[02:22] <zparta> kyncani: when is that file read ?
[02:22] <shadeofgrey> Nomikos:  pray?
[02:23] <Chousuke> funkyHat: yeah it does.
[02:23] <shadeofgrey> Nomikos:  well... wait...  what version of os-x is it?
[02:23] <djm62> zparta: if you want to rearrange the order in which all the modules are loaded, /etc/modules, if you want to load a module before a bit of the init, /etc/init.d and the things that link to it (put a spare script in)
[02:23] <funkyHat> I use Nvidia anyways ;)
[02:23] <Nomikos> shadeofgrey: 10.3.9 so latest panther. tried mounting the partitions on that, but not much luck.. not 100% sure i'm doing it right though
[02:23] <Moodles> is there any linux opengl benchmarkers, like 3dmark for windows?
[02:24] <u|qos> is there a possibility to get an overview about all running transfers of vsftpd`?
[02:24] <djm62> funkyHat: how annoying are the proprietary drivers?
[02:24] <Nomikos> shadeofgrey: disk utility won't mount them, terminal... "mount =r /dev/disk1s12" should that do it?
[02:24] <Nomikos> *-r
[02:24] <shadeofgrey> Nomikos:  if you were running tiger id say you have a prayer of a chance...  but panther is very doubtful
[02:24] <kyncani> zparta: in /etc/modutils and /etc/module-init-tools i think
[02:24] <frogzoo> Nomikos: I'd try reinstalling grub from the looks of things - you might if you know what you're doing get grub to boot from the command line too - try 'find boot'
[02:24] <zparta> djm62: i want to load a ide controller before the device-mapper
[02:25] <LoppApan> u|qos: try ftpwho or ftpstats, don't remember which one works
[02:25] <grabakov> Alright, I managed to find the drivers - one problem though, lynx doesn't come with Ubuntu for some reason so I don't think I'll be able to download these!! :(
[02:25] <BooZee> what is "talkback" ?
[02:25] <shadeofgrey> nomikos:  do you have backups of important stuff?  if so, then yeah try it.  thats like your only shot
[02:25] <funkyHat> djm62, I just sudo apt-get insall nvidia-glx :P
[02:25] <mojo> grabakov: sry man i had to step out & give the puppy some lovin (she just woke up).  I too have ATI (Radeon 9800XT) in a desktop though.  I have probs witht the latest linux driver from ATI (fglrx), but I believe that the install should be giving you the open-source driver (ati), not the closed-source one.  Of course you can change this post install ;-)
[02:25] <funkyHat> (and then that other command that I forget right now...
[02:25] <shadeofgrey> djm62:  yeah but theres another step
[02:25] <funkyHat> )
[02:26] <shadeofgrey> djm62:  you have to type sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:26] <grabakov> mojo, how might I do that?
[02:26] <funkyHat> that's the one
[02:26] <u|qos> LoppApan: i am root, but these command were not found...
[02:26] <mojo> grab 'sudo apt-get install lynx' methinks
[02:26] <funkyHat> then ctrl+alt+backspace and you're there :)
[02:26] <mojo> grabakov:  'sudo apt-get install lynx' methinks
[02:26] <frogzoo> for my money (no mac expert) I'd say Nomikos's data is all still there - just looks like grub's got itself confused
[02:26] <funkyHat> (after logging in again cos that just killed X)
[02:26] <Nomikos> shadeofgrey: if i had them, i'd be reinstalling now :-/ frogzoo: pointers on grub? i'm a bit of a amateur
[02:26] <jenda_busy> Does anyone know how to use SVN?
[02:26] <Pls> Heloo, how to load Ubuntu on SATA hard drives? my installation stops in grub install proccess.. ?
[02:26] <grabakov> mojo, yes, alright, but you mentione that the drivers are there right?
[02:27] <sdakota> can't connect to irc.freenode.net
[02:27] <grabakov> mojo, or did I misunderstand?
[02:27] <funkyHat> sdakota, chat.freenode.net
[02:27] <sdakota> 140.211.166.2:6667 can't connect
[02:27] <Nomikos> sdakota: http://freenode.net/news.shtml
[02:27] <funkyHat> check out www.freenode.net for reasons
[02:27] <shadeofgrey> sdakota:  they've been having shit trouble with hackers.  use chat.freenode.net for timebeing
[02:27] <djm62> jenda_busy: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/
[02:27] <frogzoo> Nomikos: if you have a disk that will boot grub - try 'find boot'
[02:27] <mojo> grabakov: well, the short answer is 'sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx' I believe.    BUT- there are error logs we can look at to find out WHY your X is not starting now, rather than jumping to conclusions ;-)
[02:27] <shadeofgrey> sdakota:  see freenode.net on the web for explanation.
[02:27] <frogzoo> Nomikos: if it finds anything, then try to boot the kernel from there
[02:28] <djm62> that is the first time that I've used a "bookmark" from a browser...
[02:28] <jenda_busy> djm62: Thanks (in other words... rtfm :) )
[02:28] <shadeofgrey> whats rtfm?
[02:28] <djm62> jenda_busy: in case you didn't know about the decent free book....not intended to be curt
[02:28] <grabakov> mojo, I'll apt-get irssi and try and get back here in a few moments (I am on a windows box right now), will you still be here when I return?
[02:28] <sdakota_> read the fucking manual
[02:28] <shadeofgrey> ahhhh
[02:28] <sdakota_> shadeofgrey: read the fucking manual
[02:28] <sdakota_> mhh
[02:29] <sdakota> sdakota_: you're me!
[02:29] <frogzoo> f != fantastic?
[02:29] <jenda_busy> lol
[02:29] <sdakota_> sdakota: no, i'm you!
[02:29] <funkyHat> frogzoo, lol
[02:29] <sdakota> sdakota_: Ok, logging out, then you can be me! ^^
[02:29] <grabakov> ehhh, I'll take my chances. Thank you for your help, bbias
[02:29] <sdakota_> sdakota, sure
[02:29] <mojo> grabakov: you can try 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE | more' to see the EError messages, and replace EE with WW for the WWarnings.
[02:29] <pmab> bleh, ive just installed ubuntu from dvd, but i cant connect to anything online except this irc server and the ubuntu site/wiki, any ideas?
[02:30] <Chousuke> pmab: weird.
[02:30] <sdakota> M00
[02:30] <sdakota> Eah ! Linux!!
[02:30] <shadeofgrey> pmab:  that makes no sense.
[02:30] <pmab> i know :(
[02:30] <Nomikos> frogzoo: none found :/ would it be on a Ubuntu install disk?
[02:30] <frogzoo> pmab: ping www.yahoo.com
[02:30] <djm62> pmab: what do you get if you try to ping google? what about trying to ping your router?
[02:30] <shadeofgrey> pmab:  if you can see the wiki then you should be able to go anywhere
[02:30] <pmab> pinging google works..
[02:31] <pmab> just not in firefox
[02:31] <frogzoo> pmab: does ff return? or just spin?
[02:31] <djm62> pmab: have you got any other browsers to try with?
[02:31] <pmab> just spin
[02:31] <pmab> and ive got a winxp box beside it on the same router so its not the net
[02:31] <acid2> hey, is it possible to get fonts this crisp? http://gnome-look.org/content/pre2/26757-2.png
[02:31] <djm62> pmab: telnet www.google.com 80
[02:31] <acid2> and if so - how?
[02:32] <Nomikos> or.. would a Ubuntu install/other disk help in other ways? then i'd be burning one shortly..
[02:32] <pmab> djm62, that connects
[02:32] <frogzoo> pmab: are you dhcp'ing the linux box? & correctlY? different ip to the xp box?
[02:32] <pmab> yeah should be, i'll check ips again
[02:32] <frogzoo> Nomikos: I use RIP - but that's just me
[02:32] <djm62> pmab: well then, at least you web browing needs are taken care of ;)
[02:33] <Nomikos> frogzoo: sounds comforting :-) what is it?
[02:33] <djm62> pmab: have you done any experimental firewalling stuff?
[02:33] <taomaster> how can i install apps in this new ubuntu (dapper)?
[02:33] <pmab> nope
[02:33] <frogzoo> Nomikos: recover is possible - set of recovery utils - but it comes with grub so's u can boot
[02:33] <pmab> its default install, then ive patched up
[02:34] <pmab> didnt work either side of it
[02:34] <djm62> pmab: sounds like a network issue, but I can't understand where...it's a default breezy install (plus non-net-related packages)?
[02:34] <Nomikos> frogzoo: do you have time/energy to walk me though a few things? otherwise i guess i should try to read the docs on grub..?
[02:35] <Stormx> Why is it, that when a page tries to open a popup, firefox will say "Firefox has stopped a popup opening on this page ..." but the popup will open anyway?!
[02:35] <djm62> pmab: if you do a GET when you telnet www.google.com 80, do you get the homepage?
[02:35] <pmab> nah it disconnects me
[02:35] <frogzoo> Nomikos: well, if I'm here, I'm here - get your hands on grub & we'll see
[02:36] <frogzoo> pmab: did telnet 80 work?
[02:37] <pmab> it connected, but typing anything dropped the connection
[02:37] <Vincent> KDevDesigner always crash at startup
[02:37] <Vincent> anybody with the same problem ?
[02:37] <frogzoo> pmab: google has a redirect as standard - so I think you're good there - try 'telnet www.yahoo.com 80' - & then 'GET /'
[02:38] <Vincent> (I run KDE)
[02:38] <sdakota> the linux version of vmware... can I already play 3D games in it already (if I install Windows in it)?
[02:38] <sdakota> I mean, in Workstation v5
[02:38] <pmab> hmm not working at all now, getting "Trying 1.0.0.0...
[02:38] <pmab> "
[02:38] <jenda_busy> djm62: OK - I guess that doesn't really help me. I want to test a project, and I checked it out. now I suppose I need to compile it. How would I do that? (I'm guessing this might no longer have to do with svn)
[02:39] <grabakov> mojo, how weird...
[02:39] <frogzoo> sdakota: haven't done it - but believe so - it will run like a dog however
[02:39] <lucasvo> jenda_busy: read the readme
[02:39] <grabakov> mojo, now apt-get obviously needs su status, right? Well, Ubuntu setup didn't ask me to define the root password...
[02:39] <lucasvo> jenda_busy: then, try ./configure && make && sudo make install
[02:39] <jenda_busy> lucasvo: of svn?
[02:39] <djm62> jenda_busy: there are usually files like README and INSTALL, or HACKING
[02:39] <lucasvo> jenda_busy: of you checkedout source
[02:39] <frogzoo> pmab: ping all your DNS servers mentioned in /etc/resolv.conf
[02:40] <djm62> grabakov: this is because ubuntu doesn't have a root passwd
[02:40] <jenda_busy> lucasvo: I did.
[02:40] <lucasvo> jenda_busy: what's written in it?
[02:40] <jenda_busy> lucasvo: Where do I find it?
[02:40] <sdakota> frogzoo: why?
[02:40] <grabakov> djm62, that's impossible. How would su priviledged services like apt-get and crontab work?
[02:41] <lucasvo> jenda_busy: in you checkedout sourcetree there shourld be file like README and INSTALL, or HACKING
[02:41] <pmab> both fine, one is 1.23ms and one is 27ms
[02:41] <frogzoo> pmab: and then telnet 80 yahoo
[02:41] <djm62> grabakov: using sudo...root exists, but there is no password to crack
[02:41] <pmab> does the search line need to be something useful?
[02:41] <grabakov> djm62, I -did- use sudo
[02:41] <jenda_busy> lucasvo: but where do I find the checked out sourcetree?
[02:41] <frogzoo> pmab: nope
[02:41] <djm62> ubotu: tell grabakov about rootsudo
[02:41] <pmab> nope, still looking at 1.0.0.0
[02:42] <jenda_busy> lucasvo: ah found it...
[02:42] <grabakov> "Thus when Synaptic or something similar asks you for a password, it is asking for your user password, not the root password."
[02:42] <grabakov> I tried that - didn't work.
[02:43] <djm62> pmab: what is your network likes
[02:43] <frogzoo> pmab: tracepath www.yahoo.com
[02:43] <jenda_busy> lucasvo: Ah OK - now i have the python sources. What do I do now?
[02:43] <djm62> grabakov: are you absolutely certain that you're entering the user passwd (no changed configuration, i18n mixups, capitals, etc)?
[02:43] <pmab> djm62, 1 adsl modem then a router, its worked fine with everything else ive thrown at it though
[02:44] <grabakov> djm62, correct.
[02:44] <boldstrike> grabakov: it didn't work for me at first either...try again
[02:44] <pmab> frogzoo, seems ok to hop 14 then no replies
[02:44] <grabakov> boldstrike: so, for no reason soever, it just "started working" ?
[02:44] <djm62> grabakov: are you the first or only user on the system?
[02:44] <acid2> hey, is it possible to get fonts this crisp? http://gnome-look.org/content/pre2/26757-2.png
[02:44] <grabakov> djm62 *nods*
[02:44] <acid2> and if so - how?
[02:45] <boldstrike> grabakov: that's right. the first couple of times it didn't work for some strange reason. then, it just worked. i have no idea why. this is the second install i've done and it did the same thing last time.
[02:45] <lucasvo> jenda_busy: is there some file like install or readme?
[02:45] <grabakov> boldstrike, well, I guess i'll try again. thanks. bbias
[02:45] <frogzoo> pmab: can you ping google?
[02:46] <pmab> yes: 64 bytes from www.google.com (66.249.93.104): icmp_seq=1 ttl=234 time=47.7 ms
[02:46] <frogzoo> pmab: &/or yahoo?
[02:46] <djm62> acid2: mine seem to look like that...
[02:46] <jenda_busy> lucasvo: Nope...
[02:46] <lucasvo> jenda_busy: try python setup
[02:46] <jenda_busy> lucasvo: There are readme files, but they are in the .svn dirs
[02:46] <pmab> lookup works in network tools too
[02:46] <djm62> acid2: you can choose your fonts, and how they are rendered, to look their best on your hardware
[02:47] <frogzoo> pmab: can you ping www.yahoo.com ?
[02:47] <lucasvo> jenda_busy: no you need them in the root dir
[02:47] <pmab> yes: 64 bytes from www.yahoo.com (216.109.118.77): icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=107 ms
[02:47] <frogzoo> pmab: now tracepath www.yahoo.com
[02:48] <jenda_busy> lucasvo: Obviously. Nevermind - I'll ask the project's devs once they wake up :)
[02:48] <djm62> pmab: but if you type in www.yahoo.com to firefox, you get nothing? what if you type http://216.109.118.77 ?
[02:48] <jenda_busy> lucasvo: It's EasyUbuntu (https://launchpad.net/products/easyubuntu)
[02:49] <pmab> djm62, both bring up "yahoo!" as the title, but then dont display anything else (loading anim)
[02:50] <frogzoo> pmab: try 'shift refresh"
[02:50] <_jason> acid2, system -> prefs -> fonts, mine look like that too.  I have subpixel smooting on (If you have an LCD you should use that)
[02:50] <djm62> pmab: wget www.google.com (I'm not sure if wget is on the default install)
[02:50] <acid2> _jason, right, I've done that
[02:50] <acid2> But its still a bit more blurry than that
[02:51] <grabakov> No kidding - it works.
[02:51] <acid2> djm62, what font/smoothing style do you use?
[02:51] <pmab> wget google resolved to 1.0.0.1 :(, but wget yahoo.com worked, got index.html
[02:51] <grabakov> okay *rubs hands together* time to get drivers.
[02:51] <_jason> details for subpixel smoothing: 96dpi, subpixel, full, RGB
[02:51] <_jason> acid2, ^
[02:51] <djm62> pmab: can you rerun dhclient on your main interface?
[02:51] <acid2> same as me then - which font?
[02:52] <acid2> also, which font engine? freetype?
[02:52] <_jason> acid2, Sans
[02:52] <acid2> righto
[02:52] <_jason> acid2, monospace for terminal
[02:52] <djm62> acid2: subpixel smoothing, sans
[02:52] <pmab> djm62, how?
[02:52] <_jason> acid2, how would I check my font engine?
[02:52] <acid2> you'd know if you've installed another _jason  :)
[02:53] <djm62> pmab: from a terminal, sudo dhclient eth0 (or whatever your main interface is called)
[02:53] <zparta> does ubuntu requier me to have everything as modules or can i build a custom kernel with only the stuff needed for my machine builtin and no modules
[02:53] <_jason> acid2, I guess default then
[02:53] <acid2> well thanks for the info both :)
[02:53] <pmab> ah ok
[02:53] <pmab> done
[02:53] <djm62> acid2: maybe try high contrast?
[02:53] <pmab> seems to have bound to the right ip
[02:53] <_jason> acid2, my font size is 10, I notice that at different sizes it's not as crisp
[02:53] <djm62> pmab: restart firefox to start clean
[02:54] <acid2> _jason, ya
[02:54] <djm62> acid2: could it be your subpixel order?
[02:54] <acid2> im using rgb too
[02:54] <pmab> djm62, done, its got as far as the favicon now
[02:54] <acid2> i'll play with the others
[02:55] <cold> anyone knows what ubuntu runs on port 1026 and 1027
[02:56] <djm62> only thing is openoffice doesn't kern very nicely
[02:56] <acid2> sorry
[02:56] <acid2> xchat crahsed _
[02:56] <simonvallore> Hello how do i apply icon themes ?
[02:56] <Bader> hi
[02:56] <grabakov> *whimper* this isn't working. How do I apt-get those linux drivers again please?
[02:57] <frogzoo> grabakov: which drivers?
[02:57] <grabakov> frogzoo: Linux driver for ATI
[02:57] <Luuraja_> hya
[02:57] <frogzoo> grabakov: you can choose the 'ati' or 'fglrx'
[02:58] <frogzoo> !tell grabakov about ati
[02:58] <grabakov> frogzoo: sorry, that went way over my head.
[02:58] <odat> anyone have any experience with lirc?
[02:58] <Luuraja_> does there be a special list for edubuntu?
[02:58] <frogzoo> grabakov: read the msg from ubotu
[02:58] <grabakov> frogzoo: right, I saw it.
[02:58] <simonvallore> Hello how do i apply grub themes ect ect ?
[02:59] <Muldy> you mean the grub splash screen
[02:59] <frogzoo> simonvallore: easiest imo is install 'gnome-art' pkg
[02:59] <djm62> acid2: what about the resolution of your monitor? dpi?
[03:00] <odat> anyone have any experience with lirc?
[03:00] <mojo> grabakov: hi again!  so you booting in and out to try stuff?  I see while I been AFK you come and go. What's your status?
[03:02] <lucasvo> how can I re-autoconfigure Xorg?
[03:02] <grabakov> mojo: well, currently, I got apt-get to function
[03:02] <grabakov> mojo: But I am still trying to get ahold of the linux drivers
[03:03] <mojo> grabakov: thats good.  did you see my post about the Xorg log files?
[03:03] <ddaa> lucasvo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:03] <odat> lucasvo, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserfer-xorg
[03:03] <grabakov> mojo: No.
[03:03] <djm62> lucasvo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-corg
[03:03] <odat> xserver  lol
[03:03] <odat> sorry
[03:03] <ddaa> odat: :P
[03:03] <djm62> xserver-xorg
[03:03] <sgm> haiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[03:03] <ddaa> lucasvo: you've got all the information there, in bits :)
[03:03] <djm62> new X.org! new gnome!
[03:03] <Zeep> How can I configure the NTP client? Where can I find the configuration file? Thanks
[03:04] <mojo> grabakov: ok then.  'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep EE|more' will print the (EE)rror lines from the log, and substituting WW for EE will give you the (WW)arning lines.  that should give you some notion of X's sanity level
[03:04] <odat> anyone have any experience with lirc?
[03:04] <soundray> Zeep, /etc/default/ntpdate
[03:04] <grabakov> mojo: lets do that.
[03:04] <Zeep> soundray: Thanks
[03:05] <ddaa> Zeep: generally, look at /etc/init.d/ntpdate to see exactly what's happening
[03:05] <fbafelipe> how do I change dhcp's lease time?
[03:06] <Zeep> ddaa: Okay, thanks, too :-)
[03:06] <fbafelipe> It's set to 5 mins, however my modem is using lease time of one month
[03:06] <grabakov> mojo: typed the command verbatim, here is the response: log: no such file or directory
[03:06] <lucasvo> ddaa: thanks
[03:06] <mojo> grab right on.  i will try to stay nearby.  it's saturday, smoked a morning doob w/ my bro, readin offa the linux home page aggregate, chillin to the dead from 10-29-1977, helpin folks... what a good morning
[03:06] <grabakov> mojo: wait, silly me.
[03:07] <mojo> grabakov: i didn't cut n paste, i coulda typoed
[03:07] <grabakov> mojo: I am typing this from console to console - semantic error.
[03:07] <djm62> fbafelipe: I think that's up to your router
[03:07] <mojo> grabakov: np :D
[03:07] <sdakota> hi
[03:07] <sdakota> again ^^
[03:07] <cliebow__> fbafelipe: cant you just vi /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
[03:08] <fbafelipe> djm62: My router is using the lease time of one month, Ubuntu is using 5 minutes...
[03:08] <fbafelipe> cliebow_: thanks, I will try it.
[03:08] <cliebow__> then restartr dhcp
[03:08] <grabakov> mojo: Okay... it mentions that WW, EE and NI are not implemented.
[03:08] <Nomikos> frogzoo: people tell me grub isn't useful on OSX, and tell me to use Yaboot. attempting to boot into Ubuntu shows a Yaboot prompt thing as well. is this helpful?
[03:09] <sdakota> could someone here help me with my NameVirtualHost problem?
[03:09] <ddaa> grub not working on macs
[03:09] <mojo> grabakov: they are.  it just says that.  that should mean that you have NO EError lines.  Try with WW and see if you get any.  If you like, remove the "grep EE|" and see it all unfiltered, paginated with 'more'
[03:09] <ddaa> gotta use yaboot for openfirmware love
[03:09] <grabakov> mojo: then it goes on to say: "(ee) Radeon(0): [dri]  driscreeninit failed. disabling dri
[03:09] <oskude> you can also boot linux with macs Open Firmware...
[03:09] <sdakota> could someone here help me with my NameVirtualHost problem on Apache?
[03:09] <Nomikos> ddaa: ok, there now :-) any pointers?
[03:10] <grabakov> mojo: Okay, with WW now...
[03:10] <soundray> fbafelipe, you need to describe your setup in more detail to really get useful advice.
[03:10] <grabakov> mojo: There is a lot of text now.
[03:10] <mojo> grabakov: okay, so you are getting some warnings.  i am not up on what the dri (direct rendering interface?) part gives or takes from the whole picture.
[03:10] <grabakov> mojo: what immediately strikes me is "failed to detect monitor"
[03:11] <ddaa> Nomikos: what kind of pointer? The ubutu installer will install yaboot for you. It needs a special HFS partion (about one MB). Also, you should have your kernel on a ext2/3 fs because yaboot does not know the more exotic filesystems (e.g. xfs).
[03:11] <soundray> fbafelipe, are you connecting through a router?
[03:11] <mojo> grabakov: you familiar with pastelink?
[03:11] <grabakov> mojo: Oh! And it mentions a number of directories that supposedly "don't exist"
[03:11] <grabakov> mojo: I am not.
[03:11] <fbafelipe> soundray: I am connecting from ADSL
[03:11] <mojo> grabakov: hmm... okay.  brb with pastelink info (oh the suspense!)
[03:11] <soundray> fbafelipe, and how is your modem connected to the computer, USB or Ethernet?
[03:12] <oskude> is there an ubuntu version for nokia 770 ? :)
[03:12] <grabakov> mojo: hahaha. You've made my night ;)
[03:12] <Determinist> oskude, doubt it. but if you send me your nokia i'll be sure to try :P
[03:12] <Nomikos> ddaa: i seem to have messed up the boot partition somehow, yaboot says "Unknown or corrupt filesystem". people said to use grub to get it to mount in another way, and when i couldn't use that, well, yaboot. i'd be happy to just get the data off somehow..
[03:12] <fbafelipe> sondray: ethernet
[03:12] <odat> anyone have any experience with lirc?
[03:13] <soundray> oskude, I don't think so. Better chance with Debian.
[03:13] <oskude> Determinist, :) (i havent boutgh it yet)
[03:13] <soundray> fbafelipe, does your modem act as a DHCP server?
[03:13] <ddaa> Nomikos: does that system ever boot since you intalled it? (just checking it's not something like the kernel on a fs yaboot does not know about)
[03:13] <Determinist> oskude, figured since i think it hasnt been released yet.
[03:13] <LjL> ops: i'm being asked why 200.109.0.0 is banned
[03:14] <mojo> grabakov: ha ha ha okay my bad it is called pastebin.  www.pastebin.org will let you paste your files.  after submitting, it takes you to a page with a URL that you cane paste in this chat and I can go examine your files myself
[03:14] <fbafelipe> soundray: yes, in the configuration page of the modem it's says that lease time is set to one month
[03:14] <Nomikos> ddaa: been running happily for months - until i formatted some other partitions of the same disk under OS X
[03:14] <oskude> soundray, of course. debian for 770 :) (as 770 dont need that "auto-config" magic of ubuntu )
[03:14] <grabakov> mojo: mrreehokay. Let me do that quick.
[03:14] <mojo> grabakov: if you are chatting from a different computer, then just use a floppy or something quick n easy to transfer them
[03:15] <soundray> fbafelipe, I think you may be confusing two levels of DHCP assignments.
[03:15] <grabakov> mojo: no, it's the same one - just a different console. And this site is incorrect. :D
[03:15] <soundray> fbafelipe, your router gets an address from your ISP every few weeks, that's fine.
[03:15] <grabakov> mojo: "Find your Domain Names Today!"
[03:15] <oskude> i just read that 770 is debian based :)
[03:15] <soundray> fbafelipe, now if your computer gets an address from your modem every 5 minutes, that should be fine, too.
[03:15] <ddaa> Nomikos: mh... I suggest you try booting with the live cd, then mount your root, chroot to it, and fix what you have to. That will probably involve running ybin (the utility that configures yaboot and installs the MBR)
[03:16] <ddaa> Nomikos: does that make sense?
[03:16] <soundray> oskude, but I think it lacks the package management stuff.
[03:16] <nubuntu> Help! "Qt installation not detected." Cannot figure out how to install Qt.
[03:16] <oskude> soundray, :(
[03:16] <hmpedersen> Is there a dvd player for ubuntu that isnt named totem?
[03:16] <mojo> grabakov: the two main files i'll want to see are /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:16] <fbafelipe> soundray: but there are three comuters connected on this modem...
[03:16] <Nomikos> ddaa: i got as far as "mount your root" :-) but i have to download the livecd first, anyhow
[03:16] <oskude> soundray, well, i wait atleast till voip is in it, then ill think of buying one :)
[03:16] <soundray> fbafelipe, maybe we should start the other way round. What is the problem you are trying to solve?
[03:17] <mojo> grab sorry... it is .com not .org
[03:17] <ddaa> Nomikos: when fixing up a system, "chroot" is a very useful command. "man chroot" to learn about it.
[03:17] <fbafelipe> soundray: and the configuration for each IP is different
[03:17] <Nomikos> ddaa: thanks, will do
[03:17] <ddaa> also, read the yaboot documentation and learn about "ybin".
[03:17] <nubuntu> How do I install Qt? Anyone?
[03:17] <fbafelipe> soundray: Ubuntu is changing the IP sometimes...
[03:18] <grabakov> mojo: pastebin.com ,the site google presents me with, informs me that it cannot be displayed.
[03:18] <Muldy> nubuntu, search qt using synaptic first. and install the one that looks most like the qt library
[03:18] <mojo> grabakov: let me guess, you're using text-browser?
[03:18] <ddaa> nubuntu: most likely, you are asking because you are trying to build some Qt app from source.
[03:18] <nubuntu> Muldy, did that. Then I installed all packages I could think of relating to Qt...
[03:19] <fbafelipe> soundray: so i get the port configuration of another IP
[03:19] <grabakov> mojo: I can't access X after all ;)
[03:19] <ddaa> nubuntu: so you'll need the *-dev packages as well.
[03:19] <soundray> fbafelipe, so you have Ubuntu on one of three machines. What's on the other two?
[03:19] <nubuntu> ddaa, building from source right :)
[03:19] <mojo> grabakov: you are right,though. it is actually http://pastebin.com  with no www
[03:19] <helter> hello, can anybody recommend a tool for designing webs? Something like dreamweaver but in linux and open-source
[03:19] <fbafelipe> soundray: the others have windows (one use win98 and the other winXP)
[03:19] <grabakov> mojo: Yeah.
[03:19] <oskude> helter, ive heard about "nvu", but never tested...
[03:19] <ProN00b> is there any tool that lists you internet streams ? (preferably video)
[03:19] <ddaa> helter: there's nothing nearly as good a dreamweaver in the free software world.
[03:20] <ddaa> helter: you could try things like nvu and bluefish though.
[03:20] <helter> mmm...
[03:20] <soundray> fbafelipe, and which one is the DHCP server? Or is it the router?
[03:20] <mojo> grabakov: yep right on.  okay maybe a private channel between us so you don't flood the #ubuntu channel then?
[03:20] <fbafelipe> soundray: the server is the router
[03:20] <helter> alright thanks guys. I'll give them a try.
[03:20] <nubuntu> hard to find out what package I need to install Qt. searching synaptic results in lot of possibilities
[03:20] <mojo> grabakov: or is there a way to send files with irc?
[03:20] <soundray> fbafelipe, okay, then you need to configure the DHCP server in the router for a longer lease time.
[03:21] <bigfoot1> does gimp have an irc/chat room?
[03:21] <oskude> ProN00b, dont know any good lists, but i watch this often www.demoscene.tv
[03:21] <grabakov> mojo: I'm there.
[03:21] <oskude> nubuntu, try "apt-cache search qtlib" then you only need to know which version you need
[03:21] <grabakov> mojo: I opened a query window with you.
[03:21] <mojo> i'm not though.. :(  sais waiting on you still ?!?
[03:21] <funkyHat|away> wow... sound on gizmo is awful... although it could just be the echo test service
[03:22] <fbafelipe> soundray: but in the router configuration page, it's says the the lease time is 2592000 (30 days)
[03:22] <nubuntu> oskude, will do
[03:22] <grabakov> mojo: ?
[03:22] <soundray> fbafelipe, you are looking a the period of the ISP lease.
[03:22] <oskude> bigfoot1, try "/join #gimp"
[03:22] <feelmjawlk> Hi everyone! Beeing new to linux I can't get my new sound card (Soundblaster Audigy 4) to work under Ubuntu. I've been searching the forums and the web for hours and trying to solve the problem, but I've had no luck so far. Typing lspci in a terminal gives me this line:0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0008
[03:22] <mojo> i am here... perplexed.  it never saw your acknowledgement.  can you try initiating with me?
[03:22] <soundray> fbafelipe, I think.
[03:23] <ddaa> nubuntu: a safe bet would be "kde-devel" I think. Probably vastly overkill, but hey...
[03:23] <bigfoot1> oskude: thank you!
[03:23] <soundray> fbafelipe, what make and model of router is it?
[03:23] <grabakov> mojo: I already have a window open.
[03:23] <fbafelipe> soundray: I don't think the problem is in the router, when I was using slackware it used to work correcly
[03:23] <grabakov> mojo: let me try again...
[03:23] <nubuntu> ddaa, Willing to install ALL packages  to get it working :)
[03:23] <mojo> grabakov: you wanna initiate this time?
[03:24] <grabakov> mojo: I have tried already - you can't seem to se me.
[03:24] <Muldy> does breezy default to dhcp client 2 or 3?
[03:24] <ddaa> nubuntu: also, apt-file is your friend when looking for the package that contains that specific header or lib file your are missing.
[03:24] <nubuntu> ok
[03:24] <deus_> hello there
[03:24] <grabakov> mojo: I'll pass the torch to you - I really don't know my way around irssi
[03:24] <mcpatriot> OJ
[03:25] <fbafelipe> soundray: the model is GS-R259S
[03:25] <bigfoot1> can someone who's got any experience with gimp help me to some basic image editing (I want to clear the background, so that only the object in the center remains).
[03:25] <noggie> hello guys
[03:25] <soundray> fbafelipe, try configuring the lease time in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[03:25] <deus_> can anyone help me ? need to know how to change primary display adapter
[03:25] <grabakov> mojo: or... I guess I could just host a channel?
[03:25] <feelmjawlk> Would anyone with experience in soundcard configuration like to help me out? I would appreciate it a bunch
[03:25] <mojo> grabakov: ah well what the heyy..  try http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and see if it's text-browser friendly
[03:26] <mojo> grabakov: yeah sure
[03:26] <noggie> on Ubuntu Breezy i can listen to local MP3 files just fine with XMMS, but when i add an url for a live stream, it does not add the source and nothing happens
[03:26] <grabakov> #mojograba
[03:26] <noggie> any ideas please?
[03:26] <ddaa> deus_: looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and reading "man xorg.conf" should be a good way to start.
[03:26] <Stormx2> :O Ubuntu just locked up!
[03:26] <ddaa> deus_: xorg configuration is still very painful
[03:26] <Stormx2> !xorg
[03:26] <ubotu> I heard xorg is to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:26] <fbafelipe> soundray: ok, I will try it, thank you
[03:26] <gordon> hello
[03:27] <Stormx2> Hi
[03:27] <oskude> bigfoot1, try the "eraser" tool
[03:27] <feelmjawlk> Hi
[03:27] <bigfoot1> oskude: that's the manual/long way.
[03:27] <gordon> just very nuew with ubunt
[03:27] <deus_> ddaa damn, thx i hope i needn't to to it that way :/
[03:27] <bigfoot1> oskude: i believe there's a better way.... letting the computer do the work.
[03:27] <oskude> bigfoot1, there was a plugin... forgot the name... sec googling
[03:28] <deus_> bye
[03:28] <soundray> bigfoot1, is there anything that distinguishes your foreground from your background object? Color?
[03:28] <gordon> need help with sound
[03:28] <feelmjawlk> Gordon
[03:28] <ddaa> deus_: you can probably google for "xorg.conf" and your video adapter model to  find some voodoo. Of course, only if "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" is of no help.
[03:28] <Stormx2> gordon: OK, Whats the problem?
[03:28] <soundray> bigfoot1, it's been a while since I did this, but I'll try and help...
[03:28] <oskude> bigfoot1, you mean this ? http://www.siox.org/
[03:28] <feelmjawlk> gordon: we have someyhing in common
[03:28] <ddaa> blah...
[03:28] <feelmjawlk> what is your problem?
[03:29] <bigfoot1> oskude: yeah that website seems to show what i'm looking for.
[03:29] <oskude> bigfoot1, but i never used it, so dunno how to install it (maybe its allread installed?)
[03:29] <Stormx2> !sound
[03:29] <ubotu> sound is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[03:29] <Stormx2> ^^Use that as a first guide for debugging sound problems.^^
[03:29] <gordon> Totem could not play 'fd://0'.
[03:29] <feelmjawlk> mine is that I can't get any sound from my new soundcard: a soundblaster audigy 4
[03:29] <gordon> that is what i get
[03:29] <feelmjawlk> I have already been there
[03:29] <gordon> when i click on a audio link
[03:30] <fbafelipe> soundray: ok, i edited the file, how do i restart dhcp?
[03:30] <noggie> i dont have sound problems
[03:30] <soundray> bigfoot1, there is also http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/, but it refers to an older GIMP version.
[03:30] <noggie> the sound works fine. and local mp3 work fine also. its the live streaming
[03:30] <feelmjawlk> gordon: ubuntuguide.org
[03:30] <soundray> fbafelipe, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:30] <wim> I'm using hoary, can i upgrade to breezy without burning the cd image? in other words, can i update via internet?
[03:31] <feelmjawlk> I had also fd://0 problem
[03:31] <gordon> ok thx
[03:31] <gordon> i will look at that
[03:31] <soundray> wim, yes, just update your repositories (replace 'hoary' with 'breezy' in /etc/apt/sources.list)
[03:31] <bigfoot1> guys, i have gimp version 2.2 on my system. I would like to get version 2.3  because of an integrated tool (plugin). How do i go about upgrading my gimp?
[03:31] <Stormx2> !ubuntuguide
[03:31] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is an unofficial guide written by community members. It is not guaranteed to be up to date, or to work. There is an official guide, at http://help.ubuntu.com which is preferred.
[03:31] <wim> soundray, cheers
[03:31] <oskude> bigfoot1, gimp 2.3.x seems to have siox built in..
[03:32] <bigfoot1> oskude: that's why i want to get 2.3
[03:32] <bigfoot1> so how do i go about upgrading from gimp 2.2 to 2.3 or better?
[03:32] <noggie> Stormx2, to whom is all these bot triggers directed?
[03:32] <oskude> bigfoot1, ill try the 2.2 plugin...
[03:32] <pmab> hey
[03:32] <fbafelipe> soundray: done, now it's wait to see if it will work, thank you for the help
[03:33] <simonvallore> !SEEN SIMONVALLORE
[03:33] <ubotu> simonvallore is currently on #ubuntu (36m 33s)
[03:33] <simonvallore> !SEEN ubotu
[03:33] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'ubotu', simonvallore
[03:33] <pmab> djm62, i got it working :)
[03:33] <feelmjawlk> Is anyone experienced with hardware troubleshooting, and would like to take a look on my case?
[03:33] <oskude> anyone know wheres ubuntu gimp plugin directory ?
[03:33] <soundray> fbafelipe, do a 'grep renewal /var/log/syslog'
[03:33] <bigfoot1> oskude: go to http://www.siox.org/plugin.html
[03:33] <djm62> pmab: sorry it was so hard :-/ still all's well that something something
[03:33] <runevi> feelmjawlk: sort off.  what kind of hardware?
[03:34] <bigfoot1> oskude: that page also says that the plugin for gimp 2.2 is not as good as it is in 2.3 or better
[03:34] <noggie> on Ubuntu Breezy i can listen to local MP3 files just fine with XMMS, but when i add an url for a live stream, it does not add the source and nothing happens. any ideas how to fix that, please?
[03:34] <feelmjawlk> runevi: soundcard, audigy 4 (audigy 2 chipset)
[03:34] <gobbo> Hi, i have a question. Im running the livecd of ubuntu and want to use fdisk, but it cant open hda. i used it before, but now i have a s-ata harddrive. do those have different names?
[03:34] <runevi> feelmjawlk: Only getting static?
[03:34] <fbafelipe> soundray: the result is many lines like "Dec 17 12:31:39 localhost dhclient: bound to 192.168.7.106 -- renewal in 300 seconds.
[03:34] <fbafelipe> "
[03:34] <pmab> djm62, was my adsl modem, turns out it doesnt like ipv6
[03:34] <oskude> bigfoot1, well, i ill try the 2.2 plugin (cause its less hassle)
[03:34] <noggie> gobbo, use /dev/sda
[03:34] <bigfoot1> oskude: okay. please let me know how it goes.
[03:34] <djm62> pmab: ooh, nice and obscure
[03:34] <soundray> fbafelipe, does the last one show anything different from 300 seconds?
[03:35] <odat> anyone have any experience with Lirc?
[03:35] <feelmjawlk> runevi: Static? elaborate... the problem is I've no sound since I put in my new sndcard, here is an interesting line from lspci: 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0008
[03:35] <soundray> odat, a little.
[03:35] <fbafelipe> soundray: no
[03:35] <gobbo> it says unable to open too :(
[03:35] <bigfoot1> soundray: thank you for offering to help. i think it is not too hard, but I'm a real newbie. If I can learn how to do it on one photo, i can know how to do it on any other photo.
[03:35] <runevi> feelmjawlk: Well, can't really help you as I don't get my Sound Blaster Audigy SE to work neither. :-/
[03:35] <bigfoot1> soundray: you on IM?
[03:35] <soundray> fbafelipe, in that case, it is your router determining the lease time.
[03:36] <soundray> bigfoot1, only Skype.
[03:36] <feelmjawlk> runevi: :( shame, for both of us
[03:36] <odat> soundray, when i try to run irrecord to setup my remote i get the following error   irrecord: could not init hardware (lircd running ? --> close it, check permissions)
[03:36] <bigfoot1> soundray: can we text thru skype or would you like to do pm?
[03:36] <feelmjawlk> runevi: But the Audigy SE isn't supported by alsa, right?
[03:36] <soundray> bigfoot1, give me 5 min to sort out two other threads pls
[03:37] <bigfoot1> soundray: no problem.
[03:37] <fbafelipe> soundray: but in the dhclient.conf i set fixed ip to 192.168.7.106, the fixed ip will work and i will get always the same ip?
[03:37] <feelmjawlk> runevi: I think I read somewhere someone used oss? I might be mistaken though
[03:37] <simonvallore> nothing better than a saturday in #ubuntu
[03:37] <simonvallore> O_O
[03:37] <burepe> I am using skype and if my mic and line in are off  I can call people. If one of them is on it says problem with sound device, The faq doesn't mention this problem,but maybe I am missing it. Any suggestions?
[03:37] <soundray> odat, what kind of detector hardware have you got?
[03:37] <runevi> feelmjawlk: correct.  but .. i'm waiting for support :D
[03:37] <bettong_BOFH> does anyone know if compiling my kernal will fix the fact that ubuntu dosen't know my hardware right?
[03:37] <soundray> fbafelipe, should, unless the router ignores the request, like it does with the lease time one.
[03:37] <oskude> bigfoot1, i did "chmod +x siox4gimp" and then "sudo cp siox4gimp /usr/lib/gimp/2.0/plug-ins/" and it seems to work "Filters/Misc/Foreground Extraction"
[03:38] <simonvallore> bettong_BOFH, try it
[03:38] <odat> soundray, detector hardware?
[03:38] <fbafelipe> soundray: ok, thank you for the help
[03:38] <bigfoot1> oskude: you've tried it on one of your pics?
[03:38] <feelmjawlk> runevi: I actually purchased this card only because sound quality of my older sb pci 128 was inferior in linux vs. windows and I want to use linux on fulltime
[03:38] <soundray> odat, you need a sensor to pick up your remote control signals.
[03:38] <oskude> bigfoot1, no, i just tested that it loads... (im lazy atm to learn new thigs:)
[03:38] <odat> soundray, the sensor is connected to the tv card
[03:39] <soundray> odat, have you followed the instructions on lirc.org?
[03:39] <RockyBurt> i'm considering switching to dapper drake ... any things i should watch out for?
[03:40] <oskude> is gimp2.3 maybe in the backports ?
[03:40] <void^> sadly, lirc has problems with recent kernel versions
[03:40] <feelmjawlk> logging off..
[03:40] <soundray> oskude, no.
[03:40] <odat> soundray, i know i need to record the signals from my remote but i keep getting that error
[03:40] <oskude> soundray, roger
[03:41] <reagleBRKLN> what linux util can unpack a sit/hqx?
[03:41] <puma_83> hello, can someone help me with pxe and ubuntu? i put the error and the config file on  www.liquidstar.ch/error.jpg und www.liquidstar.ch/error.txt ! thx for any help
[03:41] <soundray> odat, have you edited your /etc/lirc/hardware.conf and is it loading the appropriate modules?
[03:42] <oskude> bigfoot1, ill try a local build of gimp2.3 :) (just for fun)
[03:42] <odat> soundray, checking now
[03:42] <bettong_BOFH> someone told me that compiling my own kernal might not be a good idea if ubuntu dosen't know the vendors in the device tab of the device manager
[03:42] <Kazuya> hi :D
[03:42] <mgi> hey.. can anyone point me to some documentation on how to configure my xorg.conf to allow me to use my dell 24" lcd with my fx 5200?
[03:43] <ubuntu_> Fudge
[03:43] <soundray> bigfoot1, same skype u/n
[03:43] <gobbo> when i type "fdisk -l" it doesnt show me anything :(
[03:43] <void^> puma_83: i use root=/dev/ram0 for my initrd/netboot kernel commandline
[03:43] <bigfoot1> soundray: ok
[03:43] <Kazuya> someone can tell me the configuration file of vino-server?
[03:43] <hlen> gobbo, might be something wrong with you /proc dir. try fdisk -l /dev/hd[abcd] 
[03:44] <puma_83> void^: okey, i try......
[03:45] <gobbo> ah, it found hdc but theres only 670mb and mz harddrive(sata) is 200gb
[03:45] <oskude> Kazuya, the most config files are in "/etc"
[03:45] <odat> soundray, i have my tv card working with the modular technology setting in bttv  i have no idea what remote that is and its not listed on lirc
[03:47] <soundray> odat, in that case, I can't help.
[03:47] <shanonx> anyone know of another good image editor instead of gimp?
[03:48] <soundray> odat, sorry, you may have to ask lirc developers for a compatible driver.
[03:48] <nubuntu> Aaargh! "Set $QTDIR correctly and rerun." How do I fix this? Thought /usr/share/qt3 was right, but...
[03:51] <shanonx> is there no other image editor besides gimp?
[03:51] <mgi> i love how nothing ever quite works in linux
[03:52] <djm62> shanonx: what sort of images?
[03:52] <Kazuya> oskude: i can't find nothing make me think of vino in /etc
[03:52] <shanonx> .bmp
[03:52] <oskude> Kazuya, hmm any help in man files ? like "man vino" (or what ever its called)
[03:52] <Kazuya> no man for vino
[03:53] <Kazuya> no man for vino-server
[03:53] <djm62> shanonx: what kind of editing?
[03:53] <shanonx> djm62: .bmp .gif type stuff..
[03:53] <frogzoo> shanonx: interesting question - why do you need another image editor?
[03:53] <shanonx> frogzoo: cause gimp keeps giving me some Export error and wont edit the image.
[03:54] <oskude> Kazuya, is this used by vino /etc/vnc.conf ?
[03:55] <Nomikos> thanks all :-)
[03:55] <djm62> is this a nonfree-gif thing?
[03:55] <shanonx> frogzoo: got it working.
[03:56] <Kazuya> tnx oskude, i try
[03:56] <Kazuya> :D
[03:57] <oskude> i wonder how long it will take to compile gimp...
[03:58] <kaminix> oskude, it doesn't take that long really, at least it didn't for me... :)
[03:58] <gib8> hi
[03:58] <gib8> i wanna do alsaconf
[03:58] <oskude> kaminix, its compiling atm with 1.2ghz duron...
[03:58] <gib8> nad have installed alsa-utils
[03:58] <gib8> but there is no alsaconf
[03:58] <uber_spaced> what is a good graphical file manager?
[03:58] <kaminix> oskude, ah... I did it on a 2,6ghz P4. :)
[03:59] <kaminix> uber_spaced, gnome-commander is good.
[03:59] <gib8> knows someone where it is now in brezzy?
[03:59] <Stormx2> Why does firefox say it has blocked a popup but it pops up anyway?
[03:59] <Subhuman> u sure alsaconf is in alsa-utils?
[03:59] <Subhuman> Stormx2, u sure there wasnt 2 popups?
[03:59] <frogzoo> Stormx2: more than 1 popup?
[03:59] <gib8> Subhuman, no but apt says thatNote, selecting alsa-utils instead of alsaconf
[03:59] <gib8> alsa-utils is already the newest version.
[03:59] <Stormx2> I wouldn't have thought so
[04:00] <Stormx2> But surely if there is more than 1 it would block them all
[04:00] <Stormx2> ?
[04:00] <djm62> gib8: locate alsaconf ?
[04:00] <frogzoo> Stormx2: yar, it's wierd that ff blocks popups, but you still get them sometimes- but definately fewer of them
[04:00] <djm62> Stormx2: people are paid to find ways past popup blockers...the good guys aren't always in the lead
[04:00] <uber_spaced> kaminix, thanks
[04:00] <gib8> djm62, locate alsaconf ?
[04:01] <gib8> djm62, result is: /
[04:01] <Subhuman> gib8, i cant see alsaconf, but i do have a alsaconf file.
[04:01] <Stormx2> djm62: Hmm, fair enough. its just that whenever a popup comes up, it says it has blocked it, so surely it knows it is there?
[04:01] <Subhuman> so i dunno.
[04:01] <nickrud> alsaconf isn't in breezy, according to packages.ubuntu.com
[04:01] <djm62> Stormx2: you will be much happier if you believe the guys in the lead are good by definition ;)
[04:01] <gib8> Subhuman, i wanna make a new, becouse my soundcard is not found as card but is loaded as oss
[04:01] <Stormx2> Oh, and this isn't really a problem, but how could I get FF to open links in tabs all the time.
[04:01] <djm62> Stormx2: tabbrowser extensions
[04:02] <Stormx2> djm62: Thanks
[04:02] <frogzoo> djm62: how old r u to be so cynical?
[04:02] <Subhuman> hmm, well im not sure, ive never had a card not work.
[04:02] <Subhuman> i havea  creative audigy.
[04:02] <gib8> Subhuman, i will post my codes a moment please
[04:02] <Subhuman> use pastebin
[04:02] <djm62> frogzoo: 23, but I've never been this old before ;)
[04:02] <Subhuman> !tell gib8 about pastebin
[04:03] <loveli> hi
[04:03] <gib8> http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/947
[04:03] <Stormx2> How far are the dev team from getting firefox 1.5 in dapper?
[04:03] <Subhuman> gib8, this file is for AC97, which is an inbuilt soundcard
[04:04] <Subhuman> as in, the one in your motherboard, is that what you have or are trying to use?
[04:04] <gib8> Subhuman, yes but why doesnt find my gonme an card:
[04:04] <gib8>  /usr/bin/aplay -l
[04:04] <gib8> aplay: device_list:218: no soundcards found...
[04:04] <gib8> and:
[04:04] <gib8>  cat /proc/asound/cards
[04:04] <gib8> --- no soundcards ---
[04:05] <Subhuman> hmm, im not sure, my AC97 works without a problem, odd.
[04:05] <gib8> Subhuman, yes i wanna try my onboard soundcard
[04:05] <gib8> Subhuman, the problem is i nstalled the original nvidia drivers
[04:05] <Subhuman> the ones from apt?
[04:05] <gib8> Subhuman, my card has no hardwaremixing
[04:06] <gib8> Subhuman, no the NFORCE-Linux-x86-1.0-0310-pkg1.run
[04:06] <gib8>  from the nividia-homepage
[04:06] <gib8> now i wanna config it with alsa or use it again with the old modul (which seems no longer to work)
[04:06] <Subhuman> ahh right, because i got the nvidia drivers from apt, and my sound still works fine.
[04:06] <gib8> Subhuman, maybee i try, apt-get install what?
[04:07] <Subhuman> umm
[04:07] <gib8> do u have nforce2?
[04:07] <gib8> or newer?
[04:07] <Subhuman> no
[04:07] <Subhuman> older :P
[04:08] <GameCat> hi - can anyone help me set up zend server on (k)ubuntu?
[04:08] <Subhuman> gib8, i did sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:08] <Subhuman> then u do
[04:08] <Subhuman>  sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:08] <gib8>  NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[04:08] <Subhuman> for the ubuntu supported driver
[04:08] <Subhuman> s
[04:08] <gib8> isnt it only for the grafic?
[04:09] <theD3viL> how to connect to someone with ssh ?
[04:09] <gib8> Subhuman, i try
[04:09] <gib8> it couldnt bee more worse ;)
[04:10] <Toma-> theD3viL: 'man ssh'
[04:10] <djm62> theD3viL: is they have an sshd running, just type ssh ip.or.hostname
[04:10] <kieee> 5+3=?
[04:10] <gib8> i do restart my xserver
[04:10] <Toma-> 8
[04:10] <oskude> theD3viL, ssh username@ip.ip.ip.ip
[04:11] <Mitsukichan> How Can I enter a freaking @character in ubuntu linux?
[04:11] <kieee> ok
[04:11] <kieee> my irc is work
[04:11] <Subhuman> no, well it says some features wont be activated untill u restart
[04:11] <kieee> thx a lot
[04:11] <Toma-> Mitsukichan: \@
[04:11] <cliebow__> @
[04:11] <djm62> Mitsukichan: depends on your keyboard
[04:11] <theD3viL> tnx everyone !
[04:11] <Kazuya> oskude: i didn't nedd to change the configuration
[04:11] <Subhuman> Mitsukichan, ure keyboard must ne the wrong keymap
[04:11] <oskude> Mitsukichan, depends on your keyboard layout, i got it at altgr+q
[04:11] <Mitsukichan> Is there no keymap?
[04:11] <Subhuman> try ", that works for me when it messes my keys up
[04:11] <Mitsukichan> Where I can see which combinations of meta-keys produce which results?
[04:11] <Kazuya> i forgot that i've got two screens on that pc
[04:12] <Subhuman> Mitsukichan, u using ghe live cd?
[04:12] <Kazuya> and i didn't give vnc th screen id
[04:12] <Mitsukichan> Subhuman: No, freshly installed
[04:12] <Kazuya> :/
[04:12] <gib8> hi
[04:12] <djm62> Mitsukichan: yeah, I have shift-' but US default is shift-2 I guess
[04:12] <Kazuya> now works
[04:12] <oskude> Kazuya, :)
[04:12] <Subhuman> Mitsukichan, because, if u do "lang=uk (ur country code) itll set it corret."
[04:12] <Kazuya> thanks x your time and exuse me
[04:12] <Kazuya> :D
[04:12] <Mitsukichan> No Keymap application?
[04:12] <Subhuman> Mitsukichan, you had to choose your keymap during install
[04:12] <bz0b> hey all
[04:12] <Subhuman> and there are, jus google it.
[04:13] <Mitsukichan> And everyathing else works fine (german keymap), but I cant find the freaking @ character
[04:13] <djm62> Mitsukichan: System->Preferences->Keyboard
[04:13] <picaboo> hi i try this: chmod 744 /etc/init.d/dial cd /etc/rc2.d ln -s ../init.d/dial S95dial
[04:13] <picaboo> but it doesnt work
[04:13] <gib8> Subhuman, it was only for the grafcdevice
[04:13] <oskude> Mitsukichan, on german its "Alt Gr" + "q"
[04:13] <djm62> Mitsukichan: I don't know if there are any "typical german keyboard problems", but having a look at that might help
[04:14] <Mitsukichan> oskude: Alt Gr? I see... I have not mapped that key
[04:14] <oskude> Mitsukichan, its the key right next to space
[04:16] <EasterSunshine> can someone suugest a program to batch convert images to full quality jpegs?
[04:17] <GameCat> EasterSunshine: imagemagick
[04:17] <djm62> EasterSunshine: convert ?
[04:17] <Mitsukichan> It _has_ to be scrwed up somehow ;) I am running Ubuntu on Virtual PC on my Mac
[04:17] <andrwe_> hey somebody mention to this andrew_ fucker that there's a reason nicks are registered. i'm getting damn sick of having to boot him every time i join the server
[04:17] <EasterSunshine> GameCat: thx, let me try it
[04:18] <GameCat> EasterSunshine: djm62 is also on the money - the convert prog is part of imagemagick
[04:18] <djm62> EasterSunshine: the 'convert' command might well be your boy
[04:18] <eigh> Heb net Ubuntu geinstalleerd op mijn oude PC en alles lijkt te werken. Moet nog wel wennen aan dit nieuwe besturingssysteem.
[04:18] <oskude> !nl
[04:18] <ubotu> Op #ubuntu-nl staat de koffie al voor je klaar.
[04:18] <Mitsukichan> I am, however pretty pleased so far with ubuntu :)
[04:19] <Seveas> eigh, dit kanaal is engels, nederlands -> #ubuntu-nl
[04:21] <Seveas> Mitsukichan, it's good to hear that, we aim to please :)
[04:21] <RedRose> has anyone here gotten apache2 working for ubuntu?
[04:21] <Seveas> RedRose, sudo apt-get install apache2
[04:21] <Seveas> done
[04:21] <Seveas> it even starts automagically after installing
[04:22] <RedRose> Seveas:Did that and it doesn't work...
[04:22] <Seveas> RedRose, describe "doesn't work"
[04:22] <RedRose> would having apache1.3 interfere with that?
[04:22] <oskude> RedRose, try "apt-get remove apache" (to get rid of apache1.3)
[04:22] <apricot> asd
[04:22] <tron__> alguien me lee?
[04:22] <Seveas> !tell tron__ about es
[04:22] <oskude> RedRose, and install as "standalone" not "inetd" ;)
[04:22] <apricot> ?
[04:22] <funkyHat|away> Yes
[04:22] <RedRose> doesn't work means that i doenload it and when i do /etc/init.d/apache2 nothing works
[04:23] <Seveas> download it ?
[04:23] <apricot> how to install .deb files, please?
[04:23] <Vale> s
[04:23] <_jason> !deb
[04:23] <ubotu> somebody said deb was To install a deb: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[04:23] <Seveas> !no deb is <reply> To install a deb: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[04:23] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
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[04:24] <Vale> http://www.codif.altervista.org for children    http://www.codif.altervista.org for children
[04:24] <Vale> http://www.codif.altervista.org for children    http://www.codif.altervista.org for children
[04:24] <Seveas> .csop
[04:24] <squ> whats unbuntu?
[04:24] <Seveas> !tell squ about ubuntu
[04:24] <Happuf> Maybe those links must be restricted somehow...
[04:24] <bz0b> ubuntu is a distrobution of linux
[04:24] <bz0b> mnid my spoelling
[04:25] <oskude> unbuntu are all others than ubuntu ;)
[04:25] <bz0b> i am a  little intoxiicated
[04:25] <Gargoyle> any recommendations for a good SVN gui?
[04:25] <Seveas> gnome-terminal
[04:25] <Seveas> :)
[04:25] <Gargoyle> he he
[04:25] <squ> why unbuntu is so popular?
[04:26] <Happuf> Its easy and fast and good :)
[04:26] <bz0b> i really dont!
[04:26] <oskude> squ, its ubuntu (not unbuntu)
[04:26] <Gargoyle> It only took me 6 hours to get 686 kernel and hardware accelerated gfx! :)
[04:26] <Happuf> :DDD
[04:26] <funkyHat|away> squ, ease of use, good public image
[04:26] <bz0b> YAY
[04:26] <squ> oh, sorry
[04:26] <bz0b> yay
[04:26] <Seveas> Gargoyle, that long?
[04:26] <funkyHat|away> generally being great
[04:27] <Gargoyle> <-- Noob!
[04:27] <Gargoyle> :)
[04:27] <bz0b> oh
[04:27] <apricot> how to go terminal in etc\...\apt
[04:27] <Gargoyle> getting fglrx working was the major pain. I think it's cos I has libstdc6++ not 5
[04:27] <Seveas> squ, ubuntu is popular because it is both friendly for beginners and powerful, both stable and recent. Combinations not achieved by others :)
[04:27] <bz0b> if i am running a amd 64 2800+ on the i386 kernel, should i change to the 686
[04:28] <oskude> apricot, you mean "cd /etc/apt" ?
[04:28] <Seveas> Gargoyle, that's weird, fglrx is a breeze to install
[04:28] <apricot> zes
[04:28] <apricot> yes
[04:28] <apricot> cd etc
[04:29] <bz0b> ioll be back
[04:29] <Gargoyle> what's the difference between "removal" and "complete removal" in the package manager?
[04:29] <squ> screenshots at official site is all about 800x600 .. ?!
[04:29] <apricot> can I open the terminal in directory opened by nautilus?
[04:30] <apricot> easyer for me
[04:30] <oskude> Gargoyle, AFAIK, complete removal takes also config files (like apt-get --purge) (but dunno really)
[04:30] <funkyHat> Gargoyle, complete removal will purge config files from the system as well as removing the package files
[04:30] <apricot> 'cause my terminal always open in home dir
[04:30] <Gargoyle> ahh
[04:31] <apricot> anybody?
[04:31] <b4ck3r> apricot: apt-get install nautilus-open-terminal
[04:31] <_jason> apricot, install the following package: nautilus-open-terminal
[04:31] <arnold> I got a little question. Sometimes i get a message upon booting:  root filesystem not checked for 30 times, check forced. And then the filesystem is scanned. Is it something i should worry about??
[04:32] <erUSUL> arnold, no
[04:32] <Seveas> arnold, no, that's completely normal
[04:32] <apricot> tnx
[04:32] <Seveas> every 30 boots it wants to do a complete check. You can change/ disable that if you want
[04:32] <_jason> apricot, that gives you an option when you right-click, to open a terminal where you are
[04:32] <arnold> Okay thanks. But why? I dont think that the 5.4 version did it
[04:33] <Seveas> Ubuntu does that since the beginning
[04:33] <Kyral> arnold: It did
[04:33] <Kyral> arnold: Its a standard thing on all Linux distros
[04:33] <lilg_> hi can i boot to usb dvd writer to install the latest ubuntu and how do i do that?
[04:33] <Seveas> lilg_, look at the documentation for your bios
[04:33] <arnold> OKay my mistake. But thanks!
[04:33] <Kyral> lilg_: If your BIOS supports booting from it then ti should be fine
[04:34] <lilg_> not sure of my bios make, it says winstorn corparation and it doesent allow me to boot to usb ni
[04:34] <lilg_> i havea half installed 5.10
[04:34] <lilg_> i can get to log in and get bash can i do anything?
[04:36] <funkyHat> lilg_, to get from there to a normal installation, simply run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:36] <apricot> i didn't get the right click option, should i restart?
[04:36] <funkyHat> apricot, killall nautilus
[04:37] <gib8> is it possible to install ubuntu over an ubuntu without losing personal datas from the home?
[04:37] <apricot> ok, thank you very much.
[04:37] <apricot> !
[04:37] <funkyHat> gib8, what is wrong with your current ubuntu?
[04:37] <ubotu> apricot: Bugger all, i dunno
[04:37] <Kyral> gib8: If you have /home on a separate partition
[04:37] <gib8> funkyHat, i lost my soundsupport
[04:38] <gib8> Kyral, i have home on the LVM
[04:38] <Kyral> gib8: If it detects it, mount it as /home
[04:38] <Kyral> otherwise....
[04:38] <Kyral> is it a seperate Volume Group?
[04:39] <gib8> i have /boot/ /root/ as ext3 and the rest is one LVM group
[04:39] <flanagan_> I'm having some problems installing java
[04:39] <flanagan_> did the sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 thing and didn't work
[04:39] <flanagan_> any idea?
[04:39] <rudi__> any suggestions how I can change my bit depth?
[04:40] <Kyral> gib8: I don't know much about LVM, but I think you are screwed unless you somehow move /home to its own VG
[04:40] <hacs> us.undernet.org
[04:40] <oskude> rudi__, "DefaultDepth    16" under "screen" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:41] <rudi__> oskude: thanks :)
[04:41] <psycose> hi
[04:41] <oskude> rudi__, your welcome :)
[04:41] <Hoxzer> where is config file of the wine?
[04:41] <psycose> over the past weeks, my xine crash randomly how could i make sure i'm not being infected .... any tips ? thanks
[04:41] <apricot> is there any gui way to install .deb files?
[04:42] <apricot> LOL
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> :) click on the special "terminal" GUI. :P
[04:43] <apricot> i want to install k3b that i downloaded
[04:43] <psycose> dpkg -i package.deb on a graphic console shell ;-)
[04:43] <apricot> and i must install other libs also
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> apricot,  you really dont want to just download a package like that and isntall it. theres other dependencies most likely
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> for k3b - it needs all the kde libs  - i imagine.
[04:44] <Determinist> apricot, k3b is on the repositories, why would you want to download it seperately?
[04:44] <apricot> yes, that's the problem
[04:44] <apricot> 'cause i did it already
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> :) NOW we get to the actual 'problem' :P
[04:44] <oskude> if its an ubuntu deb, then there should be no problems
[04:44] <psycose> synaptic can help you if you select the good repositories
[04:44] <Determinist> oskude, dpkg wont satisfy depdencies using -i, me thinks
[04:45] <bettong_BOFH> anyone here know why my onboard ac97 6.1 surround sound plays only one sound at a time and how to fix?
[04:45] <oskude> Determinist, woot ?
[04:45] <funkyHat> Determinist, no, it won't, but it will leave the package there broken, and apt or synaptic will fix it
[04:45] <Determinist> funkyHat, yeah, that sounds right
[04:46] <bettong_BOFH> can someone help me with my sound
[04:46] <Determinist> oskude, what funkyHat just said
[04:46] <oskude> Determinist, well i hardly use dpkg -i (and when i do, i know the depencies=
[04:46] <apricot> BUT!
[04:46] <Determinist> apricot, yes?
[04:46] <apricot> what when i install again ubuntu
[04:46] <zoka> hi people
[04:46] <apricot> &
[04:46] <funkyHat> apricot, why are you not just installing k3b from the repositories?
[04:46] <zoka> I have downloaded liveCD
[04:46] <zoka> can I boot my comp with umu
[04:46] <apricot> i want to install downloaded repositories???
[04:47] <funkyHat> apricot, i.e. sudo apt-get install k3b
[04:47] <Eighth> having trouble mounting an SD card in a USB reader under Breezy... /dev/sda1 never shows up
[04:47] <deemo> Hello everyone, i have a question: for some reason when i try to ./configure any source code, they always return "C compiler cannot create executables". is there something extra I need to install? I already have g++ and gcc
[04:47] <zoka> is it possible to boot ubuntu from liveCD?
[04:47] <Determinist> apricot, repositories are like big software warehouses on the net, you access them to download packages. K3B is on a repository that's suppoted by ubuntu
[04:47] <oskude> deemo, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:47] <funkyHat> zoka, yes
[04:48] <oskude> deemo, and try again
[04:48] <zoka> funkyHat: how please help
[04:48] <apricot> i ment the packages
[04:48] <funkyHat> zoka, do you have an ubuntu liveCD there now?
[04:48] <bettong_BOFH> i need help with  a foxconn 748K7AA and it's onboard ac97 6.1 surround sound card as it only puts out 1 sound at a time and appears to be locked can someone help me?
[04:48] <Determinist> zoka, download the latest liveCD, burn it, voila?
[04:48] <zoka> Yes
[04:48] <zoka> I have downoaded iso
[04:48] <apricot> i do not want to download again
[04:48] <oskude> zoka, did you burn it as "image" ?
[04:49] <zoka> and I burned it but now it starts and I can try gail etc
[04:49] <deemo> oskude, thank you it worked!
[04:49] <zoka> but not boot from it
[04:49] <apricot> if i have my packages on the pc, wright???
[04:49] <zoka> I have burned image and now it is real CD
[04:49] <oskude> deemo, nice!
[04:49] <funkyHat> apricot, you will find that using apt and downloading again will be MUCH easier
[04:49] <Determinist> bettong_BOFH, sound is an issue that's hard to deal with mate, i suggest you read up some about alsa, look at the wiki or the forums to check if someone has bumped into the same problem.
[04:50] <zoka> I can exacurtte start
[04:50] <zoka> from CD
[04:50] <apricot> yes, i agree
[04:50] <bettong_BOFH> Determinist, ok will do just new with troubleshooting sound so i am unshure of where to start
[04:50] <apricot> tnx
[04:50] <apricot> bye
[04:50] <funkyHat> apricot, using .deb files you downloaded yourself will be a pain in the ass as you have to sort out dependencies etc. also if the version you downloaded isn't from ubuntu, you may get other problems with it not adding up
[04:50] <funkyHat> bye...
[04:51] <Determinist> bettong_BOFH, 1. wiki.ubuntu.com 2. ubuntuforums.org 3. google is your friend. 4. read up about esd and alsa.
[04:51] <oskude> zoka, dont quite get your problem... can your computer boot from cd ? (does other bootable cds work?)
[04:51] <bettong_BOFH> kk
[04:53] <gib8> knows someone what this mean, and what slave is?
[04:53] <gib8>  ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:802:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[04:54] <vince_> hi
[04:55] <gib8> vince_, hi
[04:55] <vince_> hi gib8
[04:55] <beelzebub1987> Anyone here been able to play on Private RO servers using ubuntu?
[04:55] <luisito> hello, guys I have a problem
[04:56] <beelzebub1987> don't we all..
[04:56] <vince_> how can i make a wifi bandwith test?
[04:56] <void^> beelzebub1987: i've had little luck with RO clients and wine/cedega, but i've heard reports indicating it's possible.. somehow
[04:56] <beelzebub1987> well
[04:56] <beelzebub1987> I've gotten it to work
[04:56] <beelzebub1987> I just can't get it working with a private server
[04:56] <beelzebub1987> you need to use the linuxexe.exe
[04:56] <beelzebub1987> to be able to connect to servers
[04:57] <funkyHat> vince_, set up an FTP server and a BIG file, and plug it in to a wired port, and grab the file on your wireless device :P
[04:57] <luisito> I did "sudo chmod a+rw -R" in /, by error, and now I have a lot of problems. Is there a way to reset all the permissions back to original?
[04:57] <melonipoika> hi, is anyone using ntfs-fuse?
[04:58] <Ed-Gein> install quake4 demo as user or root?
[04:58] <void^> beelzebub1987: heh.. when i tried i was having basic direct3d issues.. it couldn't lock a surface and would keep switching surfaces resulting in a garbled display. connecting seemed to work, but with the display problem i didn't try really attempt playing..
[04:58] <vince_> funkyHat, i want a tool like airmagnet for linux
[04:58] <void^> -try
[04:58] <beelzebub1987> Have you tried cedega 5?
[04:58] <void^> yesh..
[04:58] <beelzebub1987> I tried it on regular wine 9.3 and it ran relaly slow
[04:58] <beelzebub1987> but it seems to work nicely with cedega 5.0.1
[04:59] <coolio_za> I need a mindmapping tool like freemind any alternatives out there
[04:59] <void^> i read there was a problem with ati's drivers, though.. so that might be why
[04:59] <beelzebub1987> well
[04:59] <beelzebub1987> I'm using the newest ati driver
[04:59] <beelzebub1987> and it works fine
[04:59] <beelzebub1987> the graphical part
[04:59] <void^> hm, me too..
[04:59] <beelzebub1987> 8.20.8?
[04:59] <jroes> anyone know if firefox+java runtime+java plugin will work on amd64?
[04:59] <aeon17x> !openoffice.org
[04:59] <ubotu> aeon17x: I haven't a clue
[04:59] <aeon17x> !openoffice
[04:59] <ubotu> aeon17x: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[04:59] <aeon17x> >:(
[04:59] <beelzebub1987> I think there's a 64 bit verison of the java plugin
[05:00] <coolio_za> mindmapping in OOo
[05:00] <rosen> Does anyone know how to enable overburning in Gnomebaker ?
[05:02] <Ed-Gein> problems installing q4 demo when I run" sudo ./quake4-linux-1.0-demo.x86.run" I get a command not found error any ideas
[05:02] <funkyHat> andrew_, stop it! :/
[05:02] <willis_> Ed-Gein,  be sure ya chmod +x, it first. and give the full path for sudo
[05:02] <knubbe> Ed-Gein:  have you chmod:ed the file?
[05:02] <dooglus> luisito: I don't know of one
[05:03] <willis_> sudo /path/to/whatever.run
[05:03] <rosen> funkyHat, auto-reconnect ftl
[05:03] <Ed-Gein> knubbe: no I didn't
[05:03] <funkyHat> yeah :(
[05:03] <luisito> dooglus, if I reinstall over it, I'll lose my info?
[05:03] <kakei> hey guys pls help me, i cant startx the error is : Api missmatch  the nvidia kernel is version 1.0.7676, but this X module is version  1.0.8174. please be sure that your kernel
[05:03] <dooglus> luisito: what kind of problems do you have?  I wouldn't expect a+rw to cause any immediate problems really
[05:04] <knubbe> Ed-Gein: :-)
[05:04] <Determinist> kakei, change xorg driver to nv instead of nvidia, you prolly tried to install the nvidia driver and it went wrong on you
[05:04] <rosen> dooglus ! I'm superuser now !
[05:05] <dooglus> rosen: you're logged in as root you mean?  or you have run "sudo -i"?  or what?
[05:06] <rosen> dooglus, nah I just mean that I'm not as confused as before :D
[05:06] <Ed-Gein> thanks that did the trick
[05:06] <dooglus> rosen: aah.  "superuser" is another word for "root" in UNIX-speak
[05:07] <rosen> dooglus, oh ... well then I'm just elite ! ... or something
[05:07] <dooglus> rosen: good for you.  got that "cd" command down pat now?
[05:07] <kakei> Determinist it's 'nvidia' but i get..actually :  Cautgh signal 11.server aborting
[05:08] <dooglus> does anyone know how to change the prompt in a terminal?
[05:08] <_jason> dooglus, .bashrc
[05:08] <funkyHat> man bash
[05:08] <funkyHat> :P
[05:08] <Determinist> kakei, reinstall the driver, make sure you got all the settings right according to a manual like the one on ubuntuforums.org, that's about it
[05:08] <rosen> didnt you just teach me that the other day ? ;)
[05:08] <dooglus> _jason: bash: .bashrc: command not found
[05:08] <_jason> dooglus, edit that file :P
[05:09] <dooglus> _jason: ok
[05:09] <_jason> dooglus, ~/.bashrc
[05:09] <oxez> anyone could link me to a solution when nvidia kernel module cannot be loaded? Im in text mode and its kinda hard to search forums and google that way :/
[05:09] <rosen> alias PS1='Yes Master> '
[05:09] <dooglus> lol
[05:09] <_jason> dooglus, search for 'prompt' and you'll see where the info is.  You'll probably need to see the man or google to see what you can add in there
[05:09] <rosen> :D
[05:10] <dooglus> thanks _jason
[05:10] <elastic0> geuke teefjes
[05:10] <elastic0> geile*
[05:10] <kakei> Determinist : error unable to exec gcc.real doesnt exist the file or directory
[05:12] <Determinist> kakei, you sure you got all the proper packages installed to be compiling the driver?
[05:13] <Eighth> /dev/sda does not show up when i plug in a usb drive. i'm running breezy. any ideas?
[05:13] <mojo> anyone familiar with irssi know how to paste a file into the chat?  (private channel, not gonna flood here!)
[05:14] <kakei> Determinist : how do i check if i have all the proper packpages
[05:14] <Determinist> kakei, i'm going to suggest you follow a howto. this isnt something you can solve easily from a chat session
[05:15] <kakei> Determinist i dont have X is hard i'm using irssi
[05:15] <Determinist> kakei, get lynx
[05:16] <kakei> Determinist i have lynx but how can i use it?!
[05:16] <LjL> kakei: no, gets links2 :-)
[05:16] <rosen> any suggestion wich app I should use to be able to overburn ? .. Gnomebaker dont support that
[05:16] <LjL> kakei: start it, press "g", and browse
[05:16] <Determinist> yes, what LjL said
[05:16] <LjL> and get links2
[05:16] <luisito> dooglus, for example: sudo doesn't work because /etc/sudoers is mode 0666, should be 0440
[05:17] <soundray> Eighth, check out your /var/log/syslog for any errors relating to the plugging event.
[05:17] <luisito> dooglus, then you have problems with installig, moving, copying, etc..
[05:17] <LjL> kakei: the easiest way to paste things from the console, then, is to install gpm, so that you can use the mouse to paste
[05:17] <dooglus> luisito: ok.  if you send me a list of all your files, I can send you back a script to "chmod" them to the same as they are on my box.
[05:17] <mrsunshine> no mplayer in the packages? :/
[05:17] <LjL> kakei: as for pasting an entire file into irssi, i wouldn't know
[05:18] <dooglus> luisito: that won't fix everything - you've probably got some stuff installed that I don't.  but it would be a very good start
[05:18] <LjL> oh sorry, that was actually mojo
[05:18] <_jason> ubotu, tell mrsunshine about mplayer
[05:18] <aTypical> mrsunshine, I'm really new to ubuntu, but I found the wiki and it tells how to install it.
[05:19] <Eighth> soundray: usb 1-1: device not accepting address 22, error -71
[05:19] <Eighth> soundray: that error repeats with different address numbers
[05:20] <rosen> mrsunshine, it's in the universe repos isnt it ?
[05:20] <kakei> i cant go to the wiki of ubuntu rrggg
[05:20] <mrsunshine> rosen: first time using this "os" so i dont know?
[05:20] <_jason> mrsunshine, ubotu sent you some info in a private message, check it out
[05:20] <luisito> dooglus, that could be a great help man, I don't want to reinstall
[05:20] <aTypical> mrsunshine, read the wiki.  It really helps.
[05:21] <soundray> Eighth, I've got a device that does that. It usually works after unplugging & plugging it a few times.
[05:21] <rosen> ubotu, tell mrsunshine about repos
[05:21] <mrsunshine> rosen: hehe, already found the page about it :>
[05:21] <Pygi> !repository
[05:21] <ubotu> Pygi: I give up, what is it?
[05:21] <soundray> Eighth, I run tail -f /var/log/messages so I can see what happens as I plug the device.
[05:22] <Pygi> hehe ;)
[05:22] <LjL> kakei: install links2, if you can start it graphically (use "links2 -g"), i'm sure you'll be able to browse the wiki
[05:22] <McScruff> uboto, tell rosen about unprotected sex
[05:22] <McScruff> :P
[05:22] <rosen> mrsunshine, hehe it's not that complicated.. I only started using linux a little less than a week.. But adding universe and multiverse repositories is quite important to really get things going
[05:22] <Pygi> rosen, do you know how to add repositories?
[05:23] <luisito> dooglus, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5851
[05:23] <rosen> ubotu, tell McScruff that I allready have a girlfriend and I'm not interrested
[05:23] <McScruff> lol
[05:23] <Eighth> soundray: i'm not getting the addressing error now, but /dev/sda still doesn't show up
[05:23] <rosen> Pygi, yah
[05:23] <Ed-Gein> does anyone run winxp as a guest os under ubuntu?
[05:23] <rosen> ubotu No, rosen, I won't. (target invalid?) ..... he's probably right
[05:23] <ubotu> rosen: Not a clue
[05:24] <soundray> Eighth, does your USB drive work elsewhere?
[05:24] <Eighth> soundray: yep
[05:24] <mrsunshine> but its like 5 reps that says universe and NONE matches the ones in the "tutorial" on how to enable them :P
[05:24] <Subhuman> hi, this isnt really specific ubuntu, but its only happened to me in ubuntu, I'm using mplayer-plugin to watch videos in firefox, they work fine, BUT i cant seem to go fullscreen, it just keeps it 1:1 and adds a big black border, same thing in mplayer standalone, any ideas??
[05:24] <french29man> hello i look someone to check and try my gnome meeting please
[05:24] <slarts> Ed-Gein: "Guest OS"? You mean under VMWare or something similar?
[05:24] <Ed-Gein> slarts:exactly
[05:24] <mrsunshine> "breezy backports"
[05:24] <deemo> anyone here know where i can get the mod_dav_svn.so file for subversion?
[05:24] <mrsunshine> whats that? :>
[05:24] <slarts> Yes then
[05:24] <aTypical> Subhuman, I get that same thing playing supertux.
[05:25] <_jason> Subhuman, make sure you are using 'xv' as the video output
[05:25] <french29man> hello i look someone to check and try my gnome meeting please
[05:25] <slarts> actually no, not under Ubuntu, but under FC
[05:25] <Linuturk> well, gnome runs like a dream on my machine from the live cd, so I can't imagine with an actual install
[05:25] <Subhuman> xv? i saw that, but i wasnt sure which one, ill try it out
[05:25] <aTypical> Subhuman, I haven't figured out why it does that.
[05:25] <rosen> mrsunshine, something about being compatible with older apps I believe
[05:25] <soundray> Eighth, does it get another devicename? I get anything from /dev/sda to /dev/sdg on mine.
[05:25] <Linuturk> i'm going to install after shrinking my partitions for windows
[05:25] <Checksi> hi
[05:25] <Linuturk> wish me luck
[05:25] <Checksi> anyone of the ubuntu crew around?
[05:25] <mrsunshine> rosen: would be nice if atleast one entry in the list matched the ones in the tutorial :/
[05:25] <Eighth> soundray: there's no /dev/sd*
[05:25] <Linuturk> i do have a question
[05:26] <Timmmm> Hey, I need to install libstdc++-3.3.4 because some library was compiled with it and the ABI has since changed (damn those gcc monkeys). How do I do this?
[05:26] <soundray> Eighth, oh, interesting.
[05:26] <Checksi> Anyone of the ubuntu crew around?
[05:26] <rosen> mrsunshine, you use Synaptic to do it ?
[05:26] <Linuturk> Multiverse is stated as being "Non Free" << does this mean we have to pay for it?
[05:26] <_jason> Checksi, what do you need?
[05:26] <Eighth> i agree
[05:26] <_jason> Linuturk, no, non free as in the sense of free speech
[05:26] <Ed-Gein> Linuturk : no
[05:26] <merly> where can I find the ifcfg-wlan0 (or similar) file? so that my settings are use automatically each time i boot?
[05:26] <french29man> hello i look someone to check and try my gnome meeting please
[05:26] <soundray> Eighth, have you checked your lsmod output?
[05:27] <aTypical> Linuturk, no, it means that some things there may be illegal to use in some countries. :-)
[05:27] <deemo> anyone here know where i can get the mod_dav_svn.so file for subversion?
[05:27] <Linuturk> o, i got it
[05:27] <sdakota> always funny when french people try to speak english ^^
[05:27] <Checksi> _jason check pm
[05:27] <french29man> yes thank i try
[05:27] <Linuturk> well, i'll have to make sure i own the program before I actually install it ;)
[05:27] <french29man> u like my accent
[05:27] <Checksi> or how can i know who are the members of the ubuntu crew?
[05:27] <_jason> Checksi, I didn't get one
[05:27] <Linuturk> l8r
[05:27] <sdakota> french29man: your gnome meeting?
[05:27] <Checksi> _jason are ya part of the crew?
[05:27] <_jason> Checksi, no
[05:27] <Checksi> ok
[05:28] <sdakota> french29man: yea, the accent for a great part
[05:28] <mrsunshine> rosen: atm trying in adept
[05:28] <Subhuman> _jason, thanks man, that fixed it in the standalone, still no joy with mplayer-plugin, but this is much better :D
[05:28] <_jason> Checksi, if you need to speak with the developers you can try #ubuntu-devel
[05:29] <Timmmm> Ok, how can I find the available versions of the libstdc++5-3.3-dev package?
[05:29] <antisocial_boris> hi, can anyone help me find out how im actually connecting to the net? im having problems on my home network, i can get on on my hoary laptop but not on an xp pc
[05:29] <Eighth> soundray: i think i have everything i need... sd_mod, scsi_mod, usb_storage, uhci_hcd, usbcore
[05:29] <rosen> mrsunshine, ah ok I'm not familiar with that
[05:29] <_jason> Subhuman, there are settings for the plug-in too, /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf iirc
[05:29] <antisocial_boris> i wanna see whats different between the two thats getting me on but not the pc
[05:29] <rosen> mrsunshine, like mostly everything else in linux ;)
[05:29] <Eighth> when i plug in my camera, gthumb is able to retreive images, so i know usb is working
[05:30] <soundray> Eighth, are you plugging into a hub or into the mainboard/laptop directly?
[05:30] <oskude> Timmmm, dont quite get you ?
[05:30] <Kyral> antisocial_boris: I'd try using traceroute to find the path and to see where its stopping on XP
[05:30] <Eighth> soundray: it's actually a multicard reader, but it's acted exactly like a usb drive on every other system i've used
[05:31] <french29man> sdakota , your gnome meeting adress please
[05:31] <antisocial_boris> how do i use traceroute on xp?
[05:31] <sdakota> french29man: my gnome .. meeting address? :/
[05:31] <Eighth> and it's plugged directly into the lappy
[05:31] <soundray> antisocial_boris, wrong place to ask.
[05:31] <oskude> Timmmm, apt-cache show libstdc++5-3.3-dev ?
[05:31] <antisocial_boris> ok
[05:31] <slarts> antisocial_boris: How do you physically connect?
[05:31] <sdakota> french29man, could you tell me what a gnome meeting address is :/
[05:31] <Kyral> antisocial_boris: you go to the command prompt and I THINK the command is tracert
[05:32] <kakei> hey anyone help me pls : Skipping /usr/X11R6/lib/moduleslibfb.a:fbmmx.o
[05:32] <Timmmm> oskude: Thanks
[05:32] <french29man> gnome meeting is a soft for audio and web cam
[05:32] <french29man> for linux
[05:32] <juanwalker> How i can update my repository from stable to testing or unstable? For example im interested in OOO 2.0 RC3 and kde3.5
[05:32] <antisocial_boris> were all plugged into the router
[05:32] <soundray> Eighth, have you tried varying the sequence (plugging / card insertion)?
[05:32] <slarts> what kind of "router"?
[05:32] <slarts> DSL modem or proper router?
[05:32] <rosen> any audio prgrams other than skype that support both linux and windows ?
[05:33] <Toma-> rosen: kopete
[05:33] <kakei> can any one pls help me, i cant start x this is the error  : Skipping /usr/X11R6/lib/moduleslibfb.a:fbmmx.o
[05:33] <oskude> rosen, openwengo (linux and windows, osx not yet)
[05:33] <Eighth> soundray: i've tried plugging the reader in w/ and w/o the card. i've also tried booting w/ and w/o the reader plugged in
[05:33] <rosen> thanks I'll look into it
[05:33] <merly> can anyone tell me how to change touchpad sensitivity in ubuntu?
[05:33] <juanwalker> How i can update my db to testing packages?
[05:34] <Toma-> juanwalker: you sure you want to do that?
[05:34] <thomas> redet hier auch jemand in deutsch?
[05:34] <soundray> Eighth, I see.
[05:34] <juanwalker> Im interested in  kde3.5
[05:34] <oskude> thomas, nein :)
[05:34] <oskude> !de
[05:34] <ubotu> I guess de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[05:34] <juanwalker> and OpenOffice 2.0 RC3
[05:34] <soundray> thomas, ja, aber eigentlich gibt es dafuer #ubuntu-de
[05:34] <thomas> hh, lustige antwort :)
[05:34] <Seveas> juanwalker, openoffice final and kde 3.5 repos -> see http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:35] <thomas> danke, wusste ich nicht
[05:35] <soundray> Eighth, you've explored all the obvious things...
[05:35] <juanwalker> thanx Seveas
[05:35] <Eighth> that's why i'm here ;)
[05:36] <kakei> hey guys i can't startx help me with this : Skipping /usr/X11R6/lib/moduleslibfb.a:fbmmx.o
[05:36] <sdakota> french29man, I don't have it
[05:36] <sdakota> sorry
[05:36] <juanwalker> and how i can reset all my respository, it a shit
[05:36] <juanwalker> for the new sources
[05:36] <juanwalker> restat my cache
[05:36] <juanwalker> restart
[05:36] <Seveas> juanwalker, create a new sources.list with that page, and do apt-get update
[05:37] <juanwalker> ok
[05:37] <timello> hey guys!
[05:38] <soundray> Eighth, what kernel are you using?
[05:38] <Eighth> Linux daedalus 2.6.12-10-386 #1 Fri Nov 18 11:51:02 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:38] <Eighth>  (breezy)
[05:38] <oskude> atlast :)
[05:38] <timello> is there php4 for breezy?
[05:39] <Determinist> timello, apt-get install php4
[05:39] <timello> apt-cache search not show me this package
[05:39] <Seveas> timello, sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4
[05:39] <Determinist> timello, make sure you have all the repos set up properly
[05:39] <Determinist> ohh, right, yes
[05:39] <Seveas> !info libapache2-mod-php4
[05:39] <ubotu> libapache2-mod-php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2.0 module)), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 4:4.4.0-3 (breezy), Packaged size: 1515 kB, Installed size: 3092 kB
[05:39] <juanwalker> Breezy is the last one dist?
[05:39] <timello> Determinist, it is the default
[05:39] <oskude> timello, php4 seems to be in universe
[05:39] <Seveas> it's in universe, enable that
[05:39] <timello> ok
[05:40] <timello> let me see os2mac
[05:40] <Seveas> juanwalker, the last stable
[05:40] <timello> oskude,
[05:40] <Determinist> timello, like sev said, it's in the universe section
[05:40] <juanwalker> And horay?
[05:40] <timello> ok... I'll uncomment
[05:40] <Toma-> hey Seveas, anyplans to get firefox 1.5 in your backports repo?
[05:40] <Seveas> hoary is the older stable
[05:40] <soundray> Eighth, have you tried your hardware on any other Linux machines?
[05:40] <Seveas> Toma-, not in a million years :)
[05:40] <juanwalker> mmmah ok
[05:40] <Toma-> doh! :D
[05:40] <Determinist> why not? :P
[05:40] <Seveas> Toma-, it would break half the gnome desktop
[05:40] <oskude> timello, and not forget "sudo apt-get update"
[05:40] <Eighth> soundray: works fine on my slack 10.2 machine
[05:40] <Toma-> Seveas: i agree.
[05:41] <Seveas> and I already broke a few X servers with my ati packages :)
[05:41] <Toma-> i tried it, and it wanged out
[05:41] <soundray> Eighth, also, did you load any modules with modprobe?
[05:41] <timello> oskude, already did :)
[05:41] <oskude> timello, ok :)
[05:41] <Determinist> k, smoke time
[05:41] <Seveas> hf
[05:41] <greenpenguin13> im getting an error in my Xorg.0.log, says:
[05:41] <mojo> Seveas: like mine! LOL  I run on the previous package or I loose dualhead
[05:41] <greenpenguin13> (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0)
[05:41] <Eighth> soundray: sd_mod, scsi_mod, usb_storage
[05:41] <izi_> hi, i have a sony laptop with a on/off wifi switch (in front) if i boot when it's on, the system freeze at gdm start, i think there's a race condition or something... any idea ?
[05:41] <Toma-> also, nice little repo you have there ;)
[05:41] <greenpenguin13> anyone help please?
[05:41] <timello> thanks guys
[05:42] <Seveas> mojo, if you want to use mine, make sure you install the kernel module and the fglrx-control thing too
[05:42] <greenpenguin13> im out of ideas :/
[05:42] <Toma-> i use your gksu all the time
[05:42] <Seveas> hehe
[05:42] <Seveas> fading is cool :)
[05:42] <Toma-> tis :)
[05:42] <mrsunshine> question: how do i know if a package is for amd64? ... are all packages i can download for that or is it a huge mix of it? :/
[05:42] <mojo> Seveas: oh, just playin.  Yours are not the same ones in breezy then
[05:42] <soundray> Eighth, I see, so none of these are loaded by the hotplug subsystem?
[05:42] <mojo> Seveas: you have separate repositories or debs on a site then?
[05:42] <Eighth> they weren't
[05:43] <Seveas> mojo, http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl is a site and repo :)
[05:43] <timello> sya!
[05:43] <mojo> Seveas: thx
[05:43] <mrsunshine> trying to install cpudyn and then i get "to be removed> kubuntu-desktop"? :>
[05:43] <mojo> Seveas: then it was NOT you whos fglrx update broke my dualhead.  :)
[05:44] <Seveas> haha
[05:44] <soundray> Eighth, did you say your camera was working on the USB?
[05:44] <Seveas> you could try mine, it's the latest from ati
[05:44] <Eighth> soundray: right.. gthumb detects and acquires images, but i can't figure out where it's mounting the camera
[05:44] <Seveas> Eighth, /media/something probably
[05:45] <soundray> Eighth, should be in /media/usb*
[05:45] <soundray> Seveas, have you any idea why Eighth's card reader wouldn't accept its USB address?
[05:46] <kakei_> Hey guys how can i delete all the stuff of nvidia to reinstall it , finnally i started X (gnome, i want KDE Back)
[05:46] <Seveas> soundray, I missed the beginning of the conversation, so no
[05:46] <Toma-> kakei: did you use a deb/apt or the nvidia installer?
[05:47] <soundray> hotplug in Ubuntu seems to be a bit temperamental, on the whole.
[05:47] <Seveas> haha
[05:48] <Seveas> soundray, hotplug has gone to /dev/null in dapper
[05:48] <soundray> Seveas, interesting. Eighth, wanna try Dapper? :)
[05:48] <Eighth> maybe later
[05:48] <soundray> Eighth, talk about chasing the devil with the beelzebub
[05:49] <jbroome> bah, who needs stability. :)
[05:49] <Toma-> how much space does dapper need to install?
[05:49] <McScruff> is there a thing like /etc/debian_version that says what ubuntu version?
[05:49] <Toma-> ie, a basic install
[05:49] <tha_gamemaster> anyone bored enought to help me with the ppc side of ubuntu, that channel is pretty empty :)
[05:49] <apricot> hello, is there any program for writing on NTFS partitions?
[05:49] <soundray> Seveas, what replaces hotplug?
[05:49] <thoreauputic> McScruff: /etc/issue, or type lsb_release
[05:50] <pypcjs> hello,very body
[05:50] <Kuyaedz> apricot: you should be able to read/write to your NTFS (windows partition) using your standard installation
[05:50] <Kuyaedz> apricot: it just needs to be mounted correctly I believe..
[05:50] <apricot> i cannot write
[05:50] <thegladiator> hi
[05:50] <Ed-Gein> Why am I afraid to upgrade to breezy?
[05:50] <DUNFreak> Kuyaedz, that's not really true
[05:50] <thoreauputic> McScruff: sorry lsb_release -a
[05:50] <tha_gamemaster> ntfs is not stable writing
[05:50] <thegladiator> does nyone use  a dvx player here ?
[05:50] <Kuyaedz> DUNFreak: is only FAT writeable as of yet?
[05:51] <apricot> i can read
[05:51] <greenpenguin13> im using nvidia-glx, and i suddenly get low resolution after an upgrade :(
[05:51] <soundray> Seveas, what takes the role of hotplug in dapper?
[05:51] <Toma-> kurros: yep
[05:51] <tha_gamemaster> only stable ntfs write is same file size overwrite, no new file creations, no file deletions,
[05:51] <DUNFreak> Kuyaedz, FAT is stable writeable, NTFS is read-only for now... or some $$$ solutions for writing
[05:51] <Falstius> Kuyaedz: there are ways to write to ntfs, but they involve having a copy of the windows DLLs (and so can't be supported out of the box)
[05:51] <thegladiator> is *.divx a real format ?
[05:51] <thegladiator> or is *.avi the real format for divx ?
[05:51] <Eighth> so, any other ideas?
[05:51] <greenpenguin13> and "(EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0)" in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:52] <thegladiator> any one knows ?
[05:52] <Toma-> thegladiator: nope... .avi is
[05:52] <Kuyaedz> is there any real advantage to using NTFS over FAT?  I've always formatted in FAT(32) when using windows.
[05:52] <matw> I'm learning bash, and    echo "test"   doesn't produce any text. The script starts with #!/bin/bash. Echo "test" from the command line works.
[05:52] <oskude> thegladiator, yes, i think "divx" is also a "standardized" container format like avi...
[05:52] <thoreauputic> thegladiator: avi is a "container"
[05:52] <tha_gamemaster> thegladiator: avi is just a container, divx is a codec. meaning divx can live inside avi, or .divx. or dot .barf really
[05:52] <staaka> can someone suggest the best wireless card for ubuntu?
[05:52] <thegladiator> so the commercial divx players needs a *.avi file to red ?
[05:52] <soundray> Eighth, could you paste your dmesg output in pastebin?
[05:52] <thegladiator> read*
[05:52] <Toma-> thegladiator: tho .divx could still be read as a .avi on linux. the .whatever part doesnt matter
[05:52] <soundray> !pastebin
[05:52] <ubotu> [pastebin]  a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:52] <DUNFreak> Now talking about NTFS and tables... I'm having some trouble resizing an NTFS partition, for some reason no program will do i (qtparted or gparted). PQMagic also fails with error 108. I'm trying to use testdisk to fix this but I'm not exactly a pro at understanding cylinders and sectors... can anyone help me (maybe in private?)
[05:52] <Kuyaedz> staaka: check out the ubuntu wiki for supported cards
[05:52] <wim> what's apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[05:53] <staaka> thanks Kuyaedz
[05:53] <thegladiator> Toma-  yes , howabout commercial players ? i downloaded this *.divx file
[05:53] <wim> will it upgrade my system from hoary to breezy?
[05:53] <thegladiator> it works in ubuntu not my divx player
[05:53] <thoreauputic> matw: is your script executable ? ( chmod +x)
[05:53] <tha_gamemaster> thegladiator: i'd consult the documentation of your hardware divx player
[05:53] <Toma-> whats a divx player?
[05:53] <matw> yes it is
[05:53] <oskude> thegladiator, just rename it to *avi and try...
[05:53] <nickrud> !tell wim about breezyupgrade
[05:53] <oskude> *.avi
[05:53] <thegladiator> a dvd player come divx player for my tv
[05:53] <Toma-> yeh do what oskude suggests
[05:53] <apricot> sorry, i was out, so is there a possibility to write on ntfs?
[05:53] <Toma-> thats pretty cool :)
[05:53] <thegladiator> yes i am trying that out
[05:54] <DUNFreak> apricot, not really.
[05:54] <thegladiator> yeap
[05:54] <apricot> ok
[05:54] <wim> lol i need some kind of security module for mozilla to view that page
[05:54] <Falstius> matw: the abs howto is a good place to start.  although the later parts are kind of jumbled.
[05:54] <apricot> 2. question
[05:54] <oskude> thegladiator, you also have to look what version of divx the movie is, and what your hardware divxplayer can
[05:54] <DUNFreak> apricot, better use partition magic to convert to FAT , or if you dont care about the data on it, trash the partition and create a new FAT one.
[05:54] <apricot> can i use the windows key
[05:54] <Seveas> soundray, udev
[05:54] <thegladiator> yep thanks
[05:55] <matw> Falstius I'm reading an abs howto now. Almost copied the text verbatim
[05:55] <Toma-> apricot: yep
[05:55] <Kuyaedz> DUNFreak: any advantage to NTFS over FAT (I know there doesn't seem to be in linux, but in windows?)
[05:55] <apricot> can you tell me how
[05:55] <Eighth> soundray: http://pastebin.com/467967
[05:55] <mojo> anyone familiar with burning dvds for play?  I have some files in various formats (like AVI) that I want to convert and burn so i can watch on a dvd player... stuff like history of federal reserve, crap like that, but need some direction for dvdburn in linux
[05:55] <DUNFreak> Kuyaedz, security. You can set permissions with NTFS, not with FAT.
[05:55] <Falstius> matw: it could be a problem with how you run the script.  Did you chmod +x and run it with ./script or did your source it?
[05:55] <Toma-> apricot: as long as you dont expect to hit the windows key and windows xp pops up...
[05:55] <tha_gamemaster> ntfs has advantage of filesize limitations, permissions, and "stability"
[05:55] <Toma-> :P~
[05:55] <oskude> Kuyaedz, NTFS has user rights, FAT doesnt
[05:55] <DUNFreak> NTFS is basically microsoft'S way of copying the linux filesystem :P
[05:55] <Kuyaedz> lol
[05:56] <sstchur> Can anyone explain the basic to me of getting desktop icons on Gnome (like a trash icon, or a my computer icon)?  I can't seem to get it -- though I was able to add trash to the Panel
[05:56] <greenpenguin13> wtf? my applications menu isnt working
[05:56] <Falstius> ntfs makes a disk look bigger too (atleast with the default options)
[05:56] <Lukas___> Hellooooo
[05:56] <oskude> and FAT doesnt have difference between "filename" and "FILENAME", right ?
[05:56] <jenda_busy> oskude: right
[05:56] <greenpenguin13> Helooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[05:56] <apricot> how to engage the win key???
[05:56] <jenda_busy> greenpenguin13: whatch it
[05:56] <DUNFreak> oskude, windows in general ignores case in filenames
[05:56] <tha_gamemaster> mojo: that's a lengthy and timely process without the ease of a "wizard" or "simple point and click" interface.  k3b can help if you have all the proper libraries installed
[05:56] <matw> Falsius neither, I created the file, #!/bin/bash as first line,  echo "test"  as second line, chomod +x it, and then ran it at the command prompt
[05:56] <Toma-> apricot: what do you want it to do?
[05:56] <deeTer> hello, i have patches an configured my new kernel for ubuntu. what is the right command to install it now? is it "make &&makemodules install"?
[05:56] <oskude> DUNFreak, not on NTFS, or ?
[05:57] <tha_gamemaster> mojo: but having ALL those libraries installed may or may not be legal in your area
[05:57] <mojo> tha_gamemaster: i recently installed k3b but have not tried a dvd with it yet.  any good pages online to help me get started?
[05:57] <Lukas___> somebody can explain my the use of Metacity please!! /msg me
[05:57] <DUNFreak> oskude, I'm not totally sure but I think it doesn'T matter. It'll write a filename as all caps no problem, but won't care whethere you call it in the proper case
[05:57] <tha_gamemaster> mojo: i'll look right now
[05:57] <Falstius> matw: that is what I meant but ./script
[05:57] <greenpenguin13> the menu just dissapears when i click on it :/
[05:57] <soundray> Eighth, do these events correspond to plugging, or is this happening over and over by itself?
[05:57] <Toma-> apricot: ???
[05:57] <matw> Falstius - Sorry
[05:58] <mojo> tha_gamemaster: oh yeah, i have decss and win32codecs but maybe thats not what you mean
[05:58] <Falstius> matw: its fine ... what did you call the script?
[05:58] <sstchur> Is opera in the apt-get list?  I tried sudo apt-get install opera but to no avail
[05:58] <oxez> I installed apache2, php (working on apache), and everything I could find related top mysql/php (php5-mysql), however phpmyadmin keeps telling me PHP doesn't have mysql extension, whats wrong?
[05:58] <greenpenguin13> other menus are fine
[05:58] <Eighth> soundray: just when i plug it in... that paste is since i plugged the reader in the last time
[05:58] <Kuyaedz> sstchur: it isn't.  you need to get it from opera
[05:58] <DUNFreak> Toma-, what apricot means is that the WIN key is rather useless by default on ubuntu. Is there any way to map it somehow? A key menu editor?
[05:58] <oskude> metacity = window decoration, gtk = buttons and menues ?
[05:58] <mojo> tha_gamemaster: i can play dvds of course fine but the auth, well..  ;)
[05:58] <sstchur> Kuyaedz, Oh ok
[05:58] <matw> Falstius - Youre great! The script was named test. A shell command. ./test worked!
[05:58] <Kuyaedz> sstchur: one sec, I'll give you the source for your sources.list to get it
[05:58] <DUNFreak> I'd rather like to know the answer to that myself. LOL
[05:58] <soundray> Eighth, okay, so each of the slots is a device of its own.
[05:58] <Toma-> DUNFreak: Yes. but theres alot of things you can map it to.
[05:58] <sstchur> Kuyaedz, thanks
[05:59] <Falstius> matw: that's what I was thinking :)
[05:59] <Toma-> for instance, to take a screenshot.
[05:59] <soundray> Eighth, in that case I suspect it's the memory card causing the trouble.
[05:59] <_alex> hey guys, im having problems with my wlan. I have installed the drivers for ndiswrapper correctly, but non of the tools I used can see my access point.. any ideas?
[05:59] <Eighth> soundray: i've tried 3 cards :)
[05:59] <soundray> Eighth, or is that the same one that you used in the camera?
[05:59] <DUNFreak> Toma-, any way to make it act a bit like in windows, e.g. WIN+R for run, WIN+E for nautilus?
[05:59] <Toma-> DUNFreak: System > Preferences > Keyboard SHortcuts
[05:59] <Kuyaedz> _alex: have you checked out the wireless wikis at ubuntu wiki?  those are more detailed & should get you working
[05:59] <soundray> Eighth, that's more a :( than a :) though...
[06:00] <Toma-> go crazy in there. click the setting you wanna set and just punch in the shortcut you want
[06:00] <rosen> isnt there any cd-burners out there that supports overburning ? ... need to buy me those extra 3Mb somehow ;)
[06:00] <DUNFreak> Toma-, guess I shoulda looked in there first. LOL
[06:00] <Toma-> DUNFreak: its a good place to start :D
[06:00] <Eighth> soundray: true
[06:00] <soundray> rosen, I think I've overburnt with k3b.
[06:00] <sstchur> How can I get a trash icon on my Gnome desktop, or isn't it possible?
[06:00] <Kuyaedz> sstchur: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5853
[06:00] <oskude> rosen, there are allso cds upto 800mb...
[06:00] <rosen> soundray, isnt that hard to get to run on a gnome box ?
[06:00] <soundray> Eighth, I think we're out of options, unless you can test it with a different card reader.
[06:01] <_alex> Kuyaedz: yeah I have, cant see why the access point isnt showing up, since I know it broadcasts its essid, because windows auto detects it no probs
[06:01] <soundray> rosen, not here it wasn't...
[06:01] <rosen> oskude, yeah but I get 700Mb for free ;)
[06:01] <tha_gamemaster> mojo: yes it's possible, i just can't find some good documentation online
[06:01] <kbrosnan> I need a guide for reinstalling grub on the mbr, I have a floppy with all the instructions I need.
[06:01] <rosen> soundray, I'll try it out thanks
[06:01] <oskude> rosen, ok :)
[06:01] <DUNFreak> Toma-, doesnt seem to take to simultaneous keys
[06:01] <Kuyaedz> _alex: sounds like you might not be using the right driver.  It can be VERY specific or it wont work
[06:01] <soundray> rosen, it has lots of kde related dependencies, but once those are in, it works.
[06:01] <DUNFreak> or rather not with the WIN key
[06:01] <sstchur> Kuyaedz, thanks
[06:02] <Kuyaedz> sstchur: I'm assuming you know how to edit your sources.list?
[06:02] <Toma-> DUNFreak: works here
[06:02] <mojo> tha_gamemaster: well i can google around too thanks for trying.  any, like, off the top of your head stuff i should make sure i have library-wise?
[06:02] <sstchur> Kuyaedz, actually i've very very new to Ubuntu and linux in general
[06:02] <_alex> Kuyaedz: wouldnt that give me an error when I tried to load the ndiswrapper?
[06:02] <DUNFreak> I assume it can do it properly with CTRL or ALT... doesnt seem to with WIN
[06:02] <rosen> soundray, I found it on synaptic ... going the easy route ;)
[06:02] <sstchur> Kuyaedz, I ran a Gentoo system for a while, but I was anything but an expert even then
[06:02] <soundray> rosen, of course!
[06:02] <Kuyaedz> sstchur: check out my wiki on that.  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SourcesList
[06:02] <Toma-> DUNFreak: it might say <Alt> but it still works
[06:02] <soundray> Eighth, do you think you can get another reader for testing?
[06:03] <Toma-> DUNFreak: oh hang on. it doesnt work :D
[06:03] <Toma-> DUNFreak: im too drunk for this :(
[06:03] <Eighth> not really
[06:03] <DUNFreak> 0x73 is what it shows :P
[06:03] <sstchur> Kuyaedz, ok
[06:03] <tha_gamemaster> mojo: mjpegtools, divx/xvid/ffmpeg, Mplayer and all it's libraries (like win32codecs), and make sure k3b recognises your dvd burner as a "dvd burner"
[06:03] <Kuyaedz> sstchur: let me know if you still need help after reading thru that
[06:03] <DUNFreak> Toma-, under the influence is when I type the fastest, and the most interesting things, normally
[06:04] <Toma-> hehe
[06:04] <mojo> tha_gamemaster: cool beans. yeah, i think i need to remove mplayer and reinstall from source first then if thats needed.  i guess the transcodes use its libs?
[06:04] <mojo> tha_gamemaster: you have been a help, you give me places to start looking.  thanks!
[06:04] <KarnaK81> Hey! could someone tell me how i can find drivers for my soundblaster audigy 4?? im new on Linux
[06:05] <tha_gamemaster> mojo: i think Mplayer requires transcode, not the other way around.
[06:05] <soundray> Eighth, the three memory cards you tested -- were they all of the same type?
[06:05] <mojo> oh
[06:05] <tha_gamemaster> mojo: hey no problem, I know how to do it perse, if you stick around I can help you more in a bit
[06:05] <DUNFreak> I think the hardest would be to actually have it act exactly like the real win key (e.g. if you just hit it and let go it shows the start menu, but if you hit a combination it runs what you want...)
[06:05] <Eighth> soundray: all are SD
[06:05] <sstchur> Kuyaedz, does editing that file do that same thing that the GUI interface for Update Manager does when I click on Preferences?
[06:06] <mojo> KarnaK81: Audigy 2 works with emu10k1 driver, maybe yours will.  A2 is actually emu10k2 chip i think but it still works
[06:06] <soundray> Eighth, so that still leaves a faulty SD slot in the differential diagnosis
[06:06] <Kuyaedz> sstchur: I believe so.  I generally use the terminal, but you can add repositories (which is what you need) via the graphical, yes
[06:06] <mojo> tha_gamemaster: well it is my project today so i will be checkin back if i get stuck.  thanks!
[06:06] <Eighth> soundray: true, although i haven't had a problem using it w/ other computers
[06:06] <soundray> Eighth, it would be worth testing one of the other slots
[06:06] <Toma-> DUNFreak: i dont think enough thought has gone ointo the "Evil Empire" key as the devels are probably against it as it is. kde might be more willing to shed some light on it
[06:06] <tha_gamemaster> mojo: take it easy and good luck!
[06:06] <soundray> Eighth, right, I remember now...
[06:07] <soundray> Eighth, I'm not much of a help here.
[06:07] <mojo> :D
[06:07] <Kuyaedz> sstchur: click Preferences, Add, & Custom then add the line I sent you
[06:07] <Eighth> soundray: i appreciate you trying, tho
[06:07] <sstchur> Kuyaedz, ah, ok
[06:07] <Kuyaedz> sstchur: then you should be able to search for opera & install it
[06:07] <Eighth> soundray: and i agree, the other slots should be tested, but i don't have any other card type
[06:08] <DUNFreak> hmn... Toma- , take a look at this: http://www.interstice.com/journals/Simon/ims/20030911/.xstartup
[06:08] <soundray> Eighth, try posing your original question again -- like I say, others have reported this problem here, and maybe someone has found a workaround.
[06:08] <DUNFreak> Wonder if that will work under gnome...
[06:09] <Eighth> soundray: thank you
[06:09] <Eighth> having trouble mounting an SD card in a USB reader under Breezy... /dev/sda1 never shows up
[06:10] <ivan> Hi all! I want compiling kernel for my Transmeta. #make config doesn't work. Wy?
[06:10] <Toma-> DUNFreak: i do believe Super_L is already the name for it, and hence ben used already.... i dont know. like i said. too gorne :D
[06:10] <lukas> In Ubuntu, if I do a source installation of a package and install it to /usr/local, how can I get binaries to look in /usr/local/lib for libraries?
[06:10] <soundray> Eighth, Seveas says udev is replacing hotplug in dapper. udev is part of breezy already. Maybe it's worth reading udev documentation and configuring it to handle your USB events instead of hotplug.
[06:11] <Toma-> lukas: add /usr/local/lib to your ld.so.conf
[06:11] <DUNFreak> Toma-, just tried this and it works (the 2nd and 3rd line of the WIN Key part of the file)
[06:11] <Eighth> soundray, Seveas: i'll give that a shot
[06:11] <lilg_> Wooo wooo
[06:11] <sstchur> Kuyaedz, so how do I search for it once I've added that line?
[06:11] <Toma-> DUNFreak: Rad.
[06:11] <soundray> Eighth, just another idea, but I'll keep out of it from now on.
[06:11] <DUNFreak> xmodmap -e "keycode 115 = Super_L"       and then    xmodmap -e "add mod4 = Super_L"
[06:12] <DUNFreak> freaky :D
[06:12] <lukas> Toma-, I don't have an /etc/ld.so.conf file on my system
[06:12] <Toma-> DUNFreak: make a wiki!
[06:12] <Kuyaedz> sstchur: open Synaptic Package Manager & search.  That should find it
[06:12] <Toma-> lukas: weird.... i do...
[06:12] <lukas> i have an ld.so.cache
[06:12] <DUNFreak> Toma-, yeah I think I'll do that. will try to figure out howto myself ;)
[06:12] <lukas> an ld.so.hwcappkgs
[06:13] <sstchur> Kuyaedz, which line was I supposed to add?
[06:13] <DUNFreak> Just a Q. though, will the .xstartup file work by default in ubuntu?
[06:13] <sstchur> Kuyaedz, I'm starting to get lost
[06:13] <Kuyaedz> sstchur: the deb http://... line
[06:13] <oxez> how would I remove a broken package in synaptic?
[06:13] <Brutus5000> hiho
[06:13] <sstchur> Kuyaedz, that's what I did... but I must have done something wrong
[06:13] <pedro> hello
[06:14] <Kuyaedz> sstchur: one sec..
[06:14] <pedro> anybody install dapper drake fligth 2 on x64?  having trouble with first boot :(
[06:14] <Brutus5000> I'm using the Live CD of Ubuntu 5.10 and i can't use a monitor-frequency higher than 60hz. How to change this?
[06:15] <tdn> I have a problem with my wireless LAN. Yesterday I got help in here on setting up wpa_supplicant. It worked fine... Until today... Now it says: ``ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting.'' Appearently it does connect to the AP, but I do not get any IP adress from the DHCP server.
[06:18] <jdmpike> hello everyone... I am working like heck to make a /home/shared folder on my machine - one that when you drop new files or folders in the shared directory, it automatically mods the perms to 2775 and changes the group to users - can anyone help me with this?
[06:18] <ilba7r> tdn i have the same prob here do not know how to get over it though
[06:19] <tdn> ilba7r, Ok. I heard that it could be solved by using software encryption in stead of hardware encryption... But I do not know how to set this up.
[06:20] <tdn> ilba7r, can you use your wlan even though you get the error?
[06:20] <ilba7r> tdn i dectivated wpa
[06:21] <ilba7r> but i have frequent loss of connection
[06:21] <dooglus> jdmpike: why set the g+s bit?
[06:21] <Myrtti> great realname
[06:21] <tdn> ilba7r, ok.
[06:21] <oxez> anyone know the package that provides 'db_get' command ? seems that phpmyadmin needs that to be uninstalled
[06:21] <aTypical> jdmpike, I don't know of any way you can do it automatically when the file is placed in the directory, but you could setup a cron job that checks the directory every so often and changes permissions..
[06:21] <ilba7r> and always get in dmesg firmware error
[06:22] <jdmpike> dooglus: I thought by setting the g+s bit, it would force the groups perms of the parent folder on the directories in it
[06:22] <Rytmis> Hmm.. I keep getting an error loading libGLcore.so when starting X, and looks like that's why I don't have hardware acceleration.
[06:22] <kbrosnan> I need a guide for reinstalling grub on the mbr. I have a boot floppy with a backup of the mbr. Are there any directions for copying that back to the mbr?
[06:23] <jdmpike> aTypical, can you help me with cron - I am unsure how to write a script that will chmod, chgrp  correctly
[06:23] <Nytryx> hey i have a really weird question
[06:23] <Rytmis> fglrx loads happily, both the x driver and the kernel module, so I suppose that's all right, but umm..
[06:23] <pedro> just googling but looks like db_get is in db3
[06:23] <Rytmis> would really like direct rendering :(
[06:23] <dooglus> jdmpike: no, it won't
[06:23] <Nytryx> run free -m and tell me if your swap is being used?
[06:24] <ilba7r> kbrosnan i usually use the installion cd in in rescue mode. just at boot type rescue. then use grub-install /dev/hda
[06:24] <ilba7r> for master boot record re installation
[06:24] <jdmpike> dooglus, I see that now
[06:24] <dooglus> oxez: debconf provides /usr/share/debconf/confmodule which defines db_get
[06:25] <dooglus> jdmpike: g+s is the "setgid" bit.  it allows the person who runs the file to be a member of the file's group temporarily
[06:25] <jdmpike> aTypical, basically the concept I am trying to emulate is a Shared Docs directory in Winbl0ws
[06:25] <oxez> dooglus: hm ok, thanks
[06:26] <kbrosnan> thanks ilba7r
[06:26] <jdmpike> dooglus, I will chmod 775 -R my directory then, thanks for the info
[06:26] <ilba7r> ur welcomed kbronsnan
[06:27] <ilba7r> kbronsnan i think there is a guide for it on unofficial ubuntu guide
[06:27] <dooglus> jdmpike: I don't know a way to get files to automatically change permissions when they enter a folder.  but you could set up a regular job to change them.
[06:27] <kbrosnan> ok i should be able to find that
[06:27] <jdmpike> dooglus, I have never done anything with cron, can you help me?
[06:28] <ilba7r> kbronsnan and typing rescue will take you to a like installation menu do nto be afraid then at the end you will have a shell where you can type grub-install
[06:28] <dooglus> jdmpike: sure
[06:28] <de_DustyCiti> Hi everyone. Could someone tell me how can I boot the ubuntu-live cd ISO image on my hdd with the grub boot loader command line?
[06:28] <dooglus> jdmpike: which user should be running the job?
[06:28] <g00r0n> anyone know how to get rid of the need for a password ring manager?
[06:29] <jdmpike> dooglus: thanks! we could run it as my user, or any member of group users I think
[06:29] <jdmpike> dooglus, so that is 'jordan'
[06:29] <Chris> Hey Seveas, You Dont Know about Any Free Shell Accounts do You?
[06:30] <dooglus> jdmpike: you run "crontab -e" to edit your crontab - but that will probably use "vi".  are you comfortable in vi?
[06:30] <jdmpike> dooglus, yeah
[06:30] <jdmpike> dooglus, will this run even when my user isn't logged in
[06:31] <dooglus> jdmpike: so run "crontab -e" as your user
[06:31] <kbrosnan> ilba7r, the command prompt is not an issue, I just want to do it right the first time.
[06:31] <EasterSunshine> does anyone know of a way to run X on a bigger resolution than my monitor supports but only display a part of the screen at a time?
[06:31] <dooglus> jdmpike: it will run as long as the box is booted (and not in single user mode)
[06:31] <Chris> Could Any1 Give A Free Shell Account?
[06:31] <DJ_Mirage> Chris, ofc.
[06:31] <jdmpike> dooglus, I did that - it brings up /tmp/crontab.jYkBdg/crontab
[06:31] <DJ_Mirage> paypal me 50$ and id give you a year
[06:31] <ilba7r> kbronsnan i know i did not want the installation menu to scare you. just make sure you use the right device /dev/hda or /dev/sda or whatever you have
[06:32] <Chris> DJ_Miragei have no cash
[06:32] <dooglus> jdmpike: right.  is it empty?
[06:32] <jdmpike> yup
[06:32] <EasterSunshine> and when i move the mouse to the edge of the displayed, it would display more
[06:32] <jdmpike> dooglus, yup
[06:32] <DJ_Mirage> Chris, sorry, then there is no such thing as free :)
[06:32] <Chris> lmfao
[06:33] <Chris> ubuntu is free, why cant ppl give free shells?
[06:33] <dooglus> jdmpike: add a line saying:     * * * * * chmod -R 775 /path/to/folder
[06:33] <_jason> Chris, google "free shell account"
[06:33] <Chris> _jason i have:(
[06:33] <wim> lol good luck on that
[06:33] <dooglus> jdmpike: then save the file and exit vi.  that will run the chmod command once a minute
[06:33] <_jason> Chris, and?
[06:33] <dooglus> jdmpike: it has to be 5 stars...
[06:33] <wim> i found a couple that you need to send a postcard to and then he might give a shell
[06:33] <Chris> _jason nothing really there...
[06:34] <_jason> Chris, I just tried that yesterday, there were plenty of hits
[06:34] <jdmpike> dooglus, my user can run that
[06:34] <jdmpike> dooglus, I would need to sudo
[06:34] <GudBau> hello
[06:35] <GudBau> i have installed ubuntu now
[06:35] <Kuyaedz> its too early in the morning to think... someone remind me the command to create a symbolic link
[06:35] <jdmpike> dooglus, should I just su - and change cron for root
[06:35] <wim> you might find a couple of shells .... but none that will give you background prosesses
[06:35] <Chris> _jason half the site u go to have not got the space i need or have given up
[06:35] <GudBau> what packages i must install for compile the kernel ?????
[06:35] <dooglus> jdmpike: that would work
[06:35] <Linuturk> can I install ubuntu from the live cd?
[06:35] <_jason> Chris, oh, yeah the space could be problematic
[06:35] <GudBau> some development base packages
[06:35] <dooglus> jdmpike: otherwise you'll have issues with sudo wanting your password
[06:35] <aTypical> Linuturk, I don't think so.
[06:36] <jdmpike> dooglus, except I don't know roots password in Ubuntu... doh!
[06:36] <dooglus> jdmpike: run "sudo -i" to become root
[06:36] <GudBau> Linuturk, ubuntu installation is very simple
[06:36] <Linuturk> jdmpike, it's the password you set for your account
[06:36] <GudBau> i cociles you use the install cd
[06:36] <jdmpike> dooglus, I just did sudo crontab -e
[06:36] <GudBau> concil
[06:36] <dooglus> jdmpike: that's fine
[06:36] <Crapounet> Hi there
[06:37] <AdarkAngel> Hi
[06:37] <Linuturk> GudBau, I just don't want to wait for the install cd to download. I gave my copy away to a friend
[06:37] <Linuturk> :(
[06:37] <Chris> _jason id need like 1gb a space
[06:37] <GudBau> 1 hours
[06:37] <dooglus> jdmpike: if you want the command to run less often, change one of the *'s, as described in "man 5 crontab"
[06:37] <GudBau> and iso is downloaded
[06:37] <GudBau> :)
[06:38] <jdmpike> dooglus, so my new cron for root does chmod -R 775 /home/shared and chgrp -R users /home/shared
[06:38] <Linuturk> at 30 kb/s , it's taking about 3 hours
[06:38] <dooglus> jdmpike: you can (I think) put both commands on the same line, separated with a semicolon
[06:39] <Raskall> anyone know how to get norwegian (and other international characters) in slrn in breezy? worked in hoary, but now I only get the characters as <E5> <F8> and such
[06:39] <dooglus> jdmpike: to run every 3 minutes instead of every minute, use "*/3 * * * *" in front of the command
[06:39] <jdmpike> dooglus, I don't want it to run time based at all - I want it to run whenever a new file or directory is placed in the shared directory, is that possible?
[06:39] <gimmulF> trying to play an .mp4 file in gmplayer but the sound gets 2x too fast
[06:39] <mdke> hi all. Slight problem with [dapper] . I installed mozilla-firefox-locale-it yesterday but the package seemed to fail. While it was at it, it uninstalled firefox, epiphany, yelp and so on. Now, I can't install or remove anything because the m-f-locales-it package is half installed and can't be installed nor removed, due to the absence of update-mozilla-firefox-chrome. Any ideas?
[06:39] <dooglus> jdmpike: I don't know.
[06:39] <gimmulF> works in vlc
[06:40] <gimmulF> trying to play an .mp4 file in gmplayer but the sound gets 2x too fast, works in vlc but i want to use gmplayer..
[06:40] <jdmpike> dooglus, the other thing I thought about was modifying users masks - but I only want them to change when copying to this folder
[06:41] <dooglus> jdmpike: there's something called "gam_server" which I think checks for filesystem modification.  maybe you can get gam_server to trigger a script when that directory is modified, but I don't know.
[06:41] <jdmpike> dooglus, thanks for that - I will go do some 'homework'
[06:42] <jdmpike> dooglus, I really appreciate your help - I should have just 'man'd cron a long time ago and tried to take a step out of my noobness a long time ago
[06:42] <RockyBurt> hm, whats the fastest way to use dpkg/apt to query what installed pkg a file on the filesystem belongs to
[06:42] <RockyBurt> ?
[06:42] <jdmpike> dooglus is t3h r0xX0r
[06:42] <mdke> RockyBurt, dpkg -S
[06:44] <dooglus> jdmpike: http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/ is the homepage for 'gamin', which is what I was trying to tell you about
[06:44] <laforge> hello everyone
[06:45] <dooglus> jdmpike: cron runs commands regularly, like every x minutes.  of course, the command it runs could check whether a new file has turned up since the last time it ran before doing anything, but it would still be checking regularly.
[06:45] <dooglus> jdmpike: better would be not to use cron at all, but to use something that is triggered by gamin.  if that's possible...
[06:45] <mdke> no one can help me out?
[06:46] <laforge> someone who knows about a tool to convert iso-8859-15 into utf8 recursive ?
[06:46] <laforge> under ubuntu 5.10
[06:47] <rod> whats up mdke
[06:47] <mdke> i'll repost
[06:47] <RockyBurt> hm... does everyone here use powernowd as their cpu frequency controller? i'm not particularly fond of it and was wondering if there was a better one to use
[06:47] <mdke> hi all. Slight problem with [dapper] . I installed mozilla-firefox-locale-it yesterday but the package seemed to fail. While it was at it, it uninstalled firefox, epiphany, yelp and so on. Now, I can't install or remove anything because the m-f-locales-it package is half installed and can't be installed nor removed, due to the absence of update-mozilla-firefox-chrome. Any ideas?
[06:47] <Kuyaedz> I'm trying to create a sym link using: link -s [link]  [original]  & I get 'too many arguments'.  Anyone?
[06:47] <rod> oh okay mdke :)
[06:47] <rod> one question for you first
[06:48] <rod> how to say 'hey cuty what's your telephone number?'  in italian
[06:48] <DUNFreak> LMA
[06:48] <DUNFreak> O
[06:48] <mdke> hmm
[06:48] <mdke> rod, i think I may have sorted it out
[06:49] <rod> i mean; you are italian arent you? :x
[06:49] <rod> apt-get -f install
[06:49] <jdmpike> dooglus, good call on gamin, this definitely what I want to use
[06:49] <Chris> Could Any1 Give A Free Shell Account?
[06:50] <dooglus> jdmpike: if you get it working, please paste a short description of your solution in here
[06:50] <joachim-n> anyone use bluefish?
[06:50] <GudBau> carino sto synaptic
[06:50] <laforge> used it for a while but removed again to kate
[06:51] <mdke> rod, no i'm not italian. but it is "ciao bella, mi dai il numero di telefono?"
[06:51] <DUNFreak> rod, that was bash.org'ed ;P
[06:51] <mrmarcus> hello alll... am I in the right place to ask newb questions?
[06:51] <DUNFreak> mrmarcus, yup
[06:51] <mrmarcus> nice
[06:51] <DUNFreak> as long as you tried to google it first (which I strongly suggest)
[06:51] <mrmarcus> I have
[06:51] <GudBau> there is some package for make the standard linker ld configuration???
[06:52] <DUNFreak> Good! Then ask away and we'll try to help
[06:52] <mrmarcus> with the grub boot guy... how do I configure that?
[06:52] <laforge> so much to google
[06:53] <DUNFreak> mrmarcus, are you sure you googled? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=86587
[06:53] <p0mppu> is it really really true that no new packages are released before the new Ubuntu version?
[06:53] <mrmarcus> yes... I have winxp and linux and I want to configure it to default to winxp
[06:53] <DUNFreak> sorry that might not answer your question
[06:53] <mrmarcus> couldn't find an answer
[06:53] <p0mppu> on that aspect Arch beats ubuntu 10-0
[06:54] <mrmarcus> also wanted to edit it to take out an old install of winxp
[06:54] <p0mppu> mrmarcus: change grub/lilo so XP is default
[06:54] <mdke> RockyBurt, i told you already, dpkg -S
[06:54] <mdke> oh whoops
[06:54] <mdke> RockyBurt, sorry, scrolling issues ;)
[06:54] <mrmarcus> how do I do that?
[06:54] <RockyBurt> lol
[06:54] <RockyBurt> mdke: and i already employed your answer, so thanks :)
[06:55] <p0mppu> mrmarcus: edit the file /boot/grub/menu.lst if you use grub, or if lilo, then lilo's config
[06:55] <mrmarcus> got ya... thank you
[06:56] <mrmarcus> everytime I try to edit a file it says read only????
[06:56] <Chris> Seveas You There?
[06:56] <p0mppu> mrmarcus: change it to read-write
[06:56] <p0mppu> be sure to edit it as root
[06:56] <p0mppu> or sudo
[06:56] <rosen> what is the command for changing owner of a folder ?
[06:56] <DUNFreak> mrmarcus: sudo nautilus
[06:56] <Seveas> Chris, yes
[06:56] <p0mppu> rosen: chown <owner>:<group> folder
[06:56] <DUNFreak> from any terminal window :)
[06:57] <Chris> Seveas Do You Know Any Where to Get Free Shells?
[06:57] <DUNFreak> or sudo gedit <filename>
[06:57] <Chris> Seveas Determinist said You might Know
[06:57] <rosen> p0mppu, if I want the owner to be root, would I type ROOT, Root or root ? ;)
[06:57] <DUNFreak> rosen, all lowercase
[06:57] <p0mppu> rosen: root of course
[06:57] <czy> 
[06:57] <rosen> goodie
[06:57] <rosen> thanks :)
[06:57] <p0mppu> Root is different from ROOT and that different from root
[06:58] <rosen> yeah
[06:58] <p0mppu> and root lowercase is the main user
[06:58] <rosen> cool
[06:58] <Kuyaedz> anyone suggest how to add the trash bin to the desktop itself?
[06:58] <p0mppu> but anyway..Ubuntu-guys..are you saying I can't get for example Firefox 1.5 from Synaptic before next reelase of Ubuntu?
[06:58] <p0mppu> Arch releases updatepackages all the time
[06:58] <Sophistication> thats got to be a bash.org quote right there -- Kuyaedz anyone suggest how to add the trash bin to the desktop itself?
[06:58] <p0mppu> new versions, I mean
[06:59] <laforge> p0mppu: whats about flock ?
[06:59] <p0mppu> laforge: flock?
[06:59] <mdke> Kuyaedz, go into your configuration editor, and go to apps/nautilus/desktop
[06:59] <mdke> Kuyaedz, set "trash_icon_visible"
[06:59] <Kuyaedz> thanks
[06:59] <laforge> p0mppu: I use that one you can get on www.flock.com
[06:59] <laforge> ready for web2.0 :D
[06:59] <p0mppu> laforge: no, I really want Firefox :)
[07:00] <mdke> p0mppu, you can install it from mozilla.org
[07:00] <p0mppu> I just mean, Ubuntu sucks if you want up-to-date packages
[07:00] <Amaranth> flock is so emo
[07:00] <p0mppu> mdke: but not through Synaptic
[07:00] <laforge> p0mppu: its a firefox 1.0X-fork
[07:00] <mdke> p0mppu, no, that is correct
[07:00] <p0mppu> if you want up-to-date pkgs in Ubuntu, you'll have to hunt them yourself
[07:00] <p0mppu> Arch provides you them
[07:00] <Amaranth> p0mppu: Firefox is a pretty large upgrade.
[07:00] <mdke> p0mppu, well go use arch then
[07:00] <mdke> p0mppu, you won't get the same stability though
[07:00] <p0mppu> mdke: I've used
[07:00] <mdke> it's a compromise
[07:01] <p0mppu> and I can say, I do get
[07:01] <p0mppu> :)
[07:01] <jdmpike> p0mppu - ubuntu rules
[07:01] <p0mppu> jdmpike: I'd say, Ubuntu rules except if you want new packages
[07:01] <p0mppu> Arch rules even then :)
[07:01] <Amaranth> p0mppu: does arch have gnome 2.12?
[07:01] <mdke> with a distribution that introduces rolling updates to significant packages, you have to sacrifice stability
[07:01] <p0mppu> though it's got some minor problems
[07:01] <mdke> those are the rules
[07:01] <staaka> can someone recomend wherei can get  tcl8.4.12-src.tar.gz that actually ix in a .gz format
[07:01] <Chris> Seveas U There?;\
[07:01] <p0mppu> Amaranth: yes as far as I know and have asked
[07:01] <staaka> i gunziped it and it says it's not in .gz format
[07:01] <laforge> anyone who knows another tool instead iconv to convert files to utf8 ? and whole directories ?
[07:02] <p0mppu> mdke: I have seen no stability problems in Arch
[07:02] <ElitePete> can anyone here help me with a vmware problem?
[07:02] <p0mppu> I've used it a long time before Ubuntu
[07:02] <mrmarcus> another question... ;) does everything have to be installed through synaptic?
[07:02] <Sophistication> synaptic is just a gui for newbs
[07:02] <RockyBurt> apt-get is your friend
[07:02] <mdke> mrmarcus, it is a good idea to use the package management system
[07:03] <Sophistication> mrmarcus, man apt-get
[07:03] <mrmarcus> <---- equals newb
[07:03] <mdke> mrmarcus, if you don't like synaptic, you can use other tools
[07:03] <Amaranth> Sophistication: I prefer synaptic.
[07:03] <laforge> yeah, apt-get sometimes makes me the day...
[07:03] <Sophistication> Amaranth, but I didn't ask you...
[07:03] <mdke> Sophistication, be polite please
[07:03] <Amaranth> Sophistication: You said it was for newbs.
[07:03] <Oblivion^> hello, i am trying to play audio files on my linux box, but when i open an mp3 file in totem i hear no sound. i have installed the restricted formats and alsamixer also sees my soundcard
[07:03] <Sophistication> mdke, whats your problem
[07:04] <aeon17x> !java
[07:04] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[07:04] <mdke> Sophistication, no problem, just be polite please
[07:04] <Sophistication> Amaranth, so there is free speach in here
[07:04] <laforge> Oblivion^: maybe you should chose another soundserver in the totem-config ?
[07:04] <Sophistication> Amaranth, Or is this South Afirca
[07:04] <lamb> newbie question here.. how can I make my terminal window borderless?
[07:04] <Amaranth> Sophistication: Not when you're putting down others.
[07:04] <n0dl> does anyone know a good terminal emulator (not urxvt,gnome,konsole,xfce4-terminal,or xterm?)
[07:04] <Sophistication> Amaranth, I dont see how I was
[07:04] <mdke> n0dl, heh, you've eliminated quite a few there :) I like urxvt
[07:04] <laforge> n0dl: maybe aterm ?
[07:04] <Stormx2> Hi
[07:04] <Amaranth> Sophistication: Calling someone a newb isn't very nice.
[07:04] <Sophistication> Amaranth, now back off before I get ill & start breaken shit
[07:05] <Oblivion^> laforge: where do i find the totem config?
[07:05] <Amaranth> Sophistication: Are you threatening me?
[07:05] <rosen> Does the '2' in this return mean that there is now two owners of this folder ? drwx------   2 root      rosendahl   4096 2005-12-13 14:05
[07:05] <Sophistication> Amaranth, fuck ya
[07:05] <Stormx2> Someone get this guy kicked
[07:05] <Siph0n> every time i try and reinstall klibido, when i run klibido i get that it cant read my network list from ~/.DCIOserver_Wepwawet__0 . And to please check the dcopserver program is running..
[07:05] <arpu_> hi @all
[07:05] <Siph0n> any ideas how to fix this?
[07:05] <ElitePete> can anyone help me with a vmware problem?
[07:05] <laforge> Oblivion^: maybe edit -> configuration ?
[07:05] <heymrdj> hello
[07:06] <Amaranth> hi
[07:06] <laforge> Oblivion^: I don't know the file-structure of totem :)
[07:06] <joachim-n> gah. I get NO work done on linux because I always find bugs to file :(
[07:06] <heymrdj> I need some help with running ubuntu on a server if anybody can help
[07:06] <laforge> Oblivion^: -file +menu
[07:06] <arpu_> i have a problem with gaim 2.0 in dapper i can not loginn to any account msn icq .. and no login or connect windows is shown
[07:06] <staaka> can someone recomend wherei can get  tcl8.4.12-src.tar.gz that actually ix in a .gz format
[07:06] <Oblivion^> laforge: it also doesn't work with with rythmbox and mpd
[07:06] <ptomes> hello all, i tried install ubuntu flight 2 on thursday but after install x server (GDM) didn't start despite there is also Ubuntu 5.10 on that PC which works fine. I saw some technical logs about this but i didn't underestand. Now I am on another place with windows but i'd like report this bug if somebody tell me how (which information is important and which log files i should attach to...
[07:06] <ptomes> ...bugzilla/malone. thank everyone who will advise me.
[07:06] <Oblivion^> laforge: nd mpg321
[07:06] <arpu_> have anyone a idea ?
[07:06] <Amaranth> Oblivion^: I believe Applications->System Tools->Configuration Editor then /apps/totem is what you want
[07:06] <staaka> i gunziped it and it says it's not in .gz format
[07:07] <Amaranth> or /apps/gnome/totem, i can't remember how they do that
[07:07] <laforge> Oblivion^: so maybe you have to check the loaded modules for your current soundserver
[07:07] <Oblivion^> laforge: that would be alsa right? i've loaded those
[07:07] <ElitePete> can anyone help me with a vmware problem?
[07:07] <Delvien> How do i turn off the system BEEP ??? omg its so annoying
[07:07] <Amaranth> Oblivion^: You told gstreamer to use alsa and you're using totem-gstreamer?
[07:07] <laforge> Oblivion^: so try to restart the alsa-server
[07:07] <Amaranth> ElitePete: You'd have to say what was wrong first.
[07:07] <cartesian1984> !lart windows users
[07:08] <Oblivion^> Amaranth: no, i'm using all kinds of audio players, and no one works
[07:08] <Oblivion^> laforge: ok
[07:08] <ElitePete> Amaranth, when using vmware xp pro i can only connect to the internet through nat, not bridged networking so i cannot play any games because all my ports are closed.
[07:08] <RockyBurt> so.... is dapper drake stable enough yet to be used as an unstable desktop? or is it simply too unstable to use at all at this point?
[07:08] <Chris> Seveas U There?;\
[07:08] <ltibor65> Hi Linux-Users!
[07:08] <Stormx2> Hi ltibor65!
[07:08] <heymrdj> hey Elite Pete you know about VPS software such as vmware?
[07:08] <Oblivion^> laforge: no, it's not working when i restart alsa
[07:09] <heymrdj> Cause I need help with Xen on Ubuntu
[07:09] <Amaranth> Oblivion^: Open a terminal, type `sudo sh -c 'cat /usr/bin/* > /dev/dsp'
[07:09] <ElitePete> heymrdj, i'm no exper.
[07:09] <ltibor65> How can I automatically mount the floppy in Ubuntu 5.10?
[07:09] <ElitePete> heymrdj, i'm having my own problem right now :\
[07:09] <Amaranth> err, without that ` at the beginning
[07:09] <heymrdj> oh sry ;/
[07:09] <Stormx2> ltibor65: Put it in the drive?
[07:09] <Chris> Could Any one Give A Free SSH Account?
[07:10] <Delvien> How do i Change KDM to deafault to GDM?
[07:10] <Oblivion^> Amaranth: i'm hearing nothing
[07:10] <Amaranth> Oblivion^: Did you get any error?
[07:11] <ltibor65> Stormx2, I can manually mount it, but it starts not by startup automatically.
[07:11] <Oblivion^> Amaranth: except for the '/usr/bin/X11: Is a directory, no
[07:11] <Amaranth> Oblivion^: Then your sound works, it's just muted.
[07:11] <Delvien> How do i Change KDM to deafault to GDM?
[07:11] <Oblivion^> Amaranth: i've checked and it is not muted. or i missed something
[07:12] <Amaranth> No one do what chanreg just said.
[07:12] <MrSunshine> can i change from kubuntu to something else without having to reinstall ? :/
[07:12] <Ophiocus> how daft you got to be to attempt exploits in freenode?
[07:12] <Amaranth> mrsunshine: Just install the ubuntu-desktop package to get GNOME or xubuntu-desktop package to get XFCE
[07:12] <Ophiocus> were like the meka of the white hats meet
[07:12] <Seveas> Chris, I don't deal in free shells, an if you already use linux you have free shells on your machine
[07:12] <nekostar> hi Seveas
[07:12] <ElitePete> Amaranth, when using vmware xp pro i can only connect to the internet through nat, not bridged networking so i cannot play any games because all my ports are closed.
[07:13] <Amaranth> Delvien: uninstall kdm, install gdm
[07:13] <Oblivion^> Amaranth: when i try playing an mp3 in mpd it starts playing for about 1 second and then it stops again, and you hear nothing. that's why i think sound isn't muted
[07:13] <nekostar> o.O everyone's opped up!
[07:13] <Amaranth> ElitePete: That's a vmware and/or windows issue.
[07:13] <Seveas> hi Nekos
[07:13] <Seveas> nekostar even
[07:13] <MrSunshine> Amaranth, thanks
[07:13] <Amaranth> Oblivion^: Hrm, I dunno then. Sorry.
[07:13] <Oblivion^> Amaranth: ok
[07:14] <Oblivion^> and does anyone know how to change the default runlevel?
[07:14] <ltibor65> Do  anybody  has idea, how to mount floppy drive automatically at startup?
[07:14] <Delvien> Amaranth no there iss some reconfigure command i can use but i forget what it is
[07:14] <feclare> i'm trying to install flight cd-2 in a usb disk
[07:14] <feclare> install go fine
[07:14] <feclare> but it don't boot
[07:14] <Stormx2> I hope Seveas gets around soon.
[07:15] <Amaranth> Delvien: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[07:15] <feclare> it is no  loading the usb driver
[07:15] <mrmarcus> with unbuntu can I install vlc?
[07:15] <Chris> Seveas Do You Know Any Where to Get Free Shells?
[07:15] <feclare> any idea?
[07:15] <Amaranth> feclare: dapper is switching to new kernels, your best bet is to wait for flight 3
[07:15] <Delvien> thanks
[07:15] <Amaranth> mrmarcus: sudo apt-get install vlc
[07:15] <Amaranth> mrmarcus: or use synaptic
[07:16] <Seveas> Chris, no and that's highly off topic in here, please go somewhere else
[07:16] <mrmarcus> if it isn't in synaptic how to i get it there?
[07:16] <Seveas> Stormx2, ping
[07:16] <feclare> thx Amaranth
[07:16] <Amaranth> mrmarcus: you need to enable universe and multiverse
[07:16] <Amaranth> !tell mrmarcus about repos
[07:16] <mrmarcus> cool... thank you
[07:17] <rickest> Amaranth: can you send that bothelp to me too, please?
[07:17] <Amaranth> !tell rickest about repos
[07:17] <rickest> ty
[07:17] <Amaranth> rickest: You can PM the bot with 'repos' (no quotes) and it'll PM you back.
[07:17] <Amaranth> rickest: or any other commands
[07:18] <Amaranth> welcome back
[07:18] <MrSunshine> ahh xfce4
[07:18] <MrSunshine> now im home again! :>
[07:18] <Seveas> :)
[07:18] <MrSunshine> but this also wont let me change ... wtf :>
[07:18] <MrSunshine> ok .. gentoo let me set whatever display settings i wanted
[07:18] <rosen> is there some way to make it ask me for the password when I try to 'click' my way into a folder that is protected by root-password.. Instead of it just saying 'permission denied'
[07:18] <MrSunshine> but ubuntu wont? :/
[07:18] <Seveas> rosen, not easily
[07:19] <rosen> Seveas, aw that's too bad :>
[07:19] <Seveas> MrSunshine, edit xorg.conf, restart X server
[07:19] <Amaranth> mrsunshine: ah, that problem
[07:19] <MrSunshine> Seveas, edit what in it?
[07:19] <Amaranth> !tell mrsunshine about fixres
[07:19] <rickest> !easysource
[07:19] <ubotu> I heard easysource is For an easy to use custom sources.list configurator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:19] <MrSunshine> i have the one that i used with my gentoo installation
[07:19] <Seveas> MrSunshine, HorizRefresh, VertRefresh etc...
[07:20] <Amaranth> Seveas: the thing i sent him has step by step instructions for finding and setting all that
[07:20] <ltibor65> Amaranth, how can I automatically mount floppy drive in order to start it at startup? Can you help me?
[07:20] <Myrtti> startup of what
[07:20] <Stormx2> Seveas: Hello
[07:20] <Amaranth> ltibor65: You mean you want to boot from a floppy?
[07:20] <Oblivion^> how can i change the default runlevel?
[07:20] <axisys> is there a repo for gizmo?
[07:21] <Amaranth> Oblivion^: I don't think Ubuntu really has different (X vs non-X) runlevels
[07:21] <Seveas> Stormx2, buenos dias
[07:21] <Seveas> Amaranth, init 1 is X-less :)
[07:21] <Amaranth> Seveas: haha
[07:21] <djm62> Oblivion^: you are free to customise the other runlevels
[07:21] <Stormx2> Seveas: I'm getting a 403 from the sun-j2re1.5 package at your repos.
[07:21] <Oblivion^> Amaranth: so when i've installed X i can't boot without X anymore?
[07:21] <Seveas> Stormx2, -> PM :)
[07:21] <ltibor65> Amaranth, no, I want only that floppy works.
[07:22] <Oblivion^> Amaranth: i wanted to use init 3 as a default runlevel
[07:22] <Amaranth> Oblivion^: I don't believe so, unless you customize the run levels.
[07:22] <Amaranth> Oblivion^: There is a GUI tool for that, I believe it's called BUM
[07:22] <Oblivion^> Amaranth: ok, i'll try that
[07:22] <TenPlus1> hey guys... how's everyone ?
[07:22] <djm62> 5-5-5
[07:22] <Snellgrove> oh man, i discovered composite managers today.  I have made ubuntu very very beautiful indeed ^_^
[07:23] <Seveas> Snellgrove, :)
[07:23] <Amaranth> I remember I was porting RedHat's runlevel config GUI tool to Ubuntu and noticed someone already wrote one.
[07:23] <djm62> Snellgrove: how's the acceleration?
[07:23] <Seveas> I still need to play with composite
[07:23] <Amaranth> Seveas: Why was +J removed?
[07:23] <apricot> hello
[07:23] <Snellgrove> ive slowed it down with loads of transparency so its about the same as before i started LOL
[07:23] <Amaranth> Seveas: lilo told me to set it :)
[07:23] <Seveas> Amaranth, far too many false positives
[07:23] <apricot> how to install tv-card ?
[07:23] <Amaranth> Seveas: So tweak the settings on it, don't drop it.
[07:23] <Seveas> Amaranth, and lilo now (hopefully) fixed freenode, so the bots stay gone
[07:23] <Amaranth> switching to chat.freenode.net isn't a fix
[07:24] <Oblivion^> how can i access the oss mixer?
[07:24] <Seveas> no, they fixed other things...
[07:24] <Amaranth> and he can't k-line every zombie XP machine in the world
[07:24] <Seveas> irc. is working again
[07:24] <djm62> Snellgrove: ubuntu is a beatiful OS...10.6 should be really nice, though: new X, new gnome
[07:24] <Amaranth> they just flip irc. off until the bots stop hitting it, then flip it back on
[07:24] <laforge> anyone who knows another tool instead iconv to convert files to utf8 ? and whole directories ?
[07:24] <Amaranth> djm62: that's 6.04
[07:24] <Seveas> Amaranth, afaik they "patched" things too, don't know the details...
[07:25] <Snellgrove> nice :)   i sent a screeny to a devout XP user, he asked me to bring the ubuntu disc round and now he has it on his laptop (still using XP on main PC though) he was impressed with how far linux has come, since he last used it (suse 7 or so)
[07:25] <Seveas> but it seems to work (irc. is working and no bots)
[07:25] <Oblivion^> ok, now i'm confused. when i run volume meter the meters are indicating sound, but i don't hear anything. i did unmute everything for as far as i know :/
[07:25] <djm62> Amaranth: 6.10, when people have had time to play with modular X ;)
[07:25] <axisys> !tell gizmo
[07:25] <Amaranth> Seveas: Couldn't have, that would have required the very "fun" reboot of every server in the network.
[07:25] <Snellgrove> i was impressed with how it picked up the batteries / power management, the laptops special buttons etc..  didnt think ubuntu would be *that* good with laptops!!  glad to be wrong :D
[07:25] <MrSunshine> none of those tricks works ... i get incorrect vesa bios etc etc
[07:25] <TenPlus1> How easy is it to connect to a WinXP workgroup sharename using Ubuntu ????
[07:25] <Amaranth> djm62: As long as Xorg 7 makes it for dapper 7.1 should make it for dapper+1, they are going to be 6 month releases. So yeah, it'll be nice.
[07:26] <Seveas> Amaranth, poke lilo for the details, I don't know anything about it other than that it seems to work
[07:26] <cartesian1984> !lart gizmo
[07:26] <apricot> how to install tv-card, please?
[07:26] <Amaranth> arg
[07:26] <markive> any know why bash says bash: make: command not found
[07:26] <Snellgrove> TenPlus1,  pretty easy :) go to places > network servers
[07:26] <Amaranth> i wish i knew how to login to ubotu, i'd disable lart
[07:26] <Snellgrove> you should see a windows network in there :)
[07:26] <Stormx2> markive: apt-get install build-essential
[07:26] <Stormx2> markive: I think...
[07:26] <djm62> apricot: you might be better looking at the wiki or google, since TV cards are quite unusual
[07:26] <axisys> markive: find /usr -print | grep make
[07:26] <TenPlus1> thx Snellgrove
[07:26] <ltibor65> Who can me help by mounting floppy drive?
[07:27] <apricot> i ment tv-tuner
[07:27] <axisys> markive: may be not in your path or insall build-essential like Stormx2 said
[07:27] <markive> thanks guys i'll try um
[07:27] <ptomes> is here some ubuntu localizator?
[07:27] <Amaranth> !floppy
[07:27] <ubotu> Amaranth: Do they come in packets of five?
[07:27] <Amaranth> hrm
[07:27] <aTypical> ltibor65, sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy might work.
[07:27] <djm62> apricot: so did I :)
[07:27] <TenPlus1> How come Ubuntu see's my Intel CS-110 webcam ..but.. when I goto use it, it hangs the whole system ??
[07:28] <apricot> aha, get it
[07:28] <Amaranth> !forget floppy
[07:28] <ubotu> Amaranth: i didn't have anything called 'floppy'
[07:28] <apricot> ok, what about win key?
[07:28] <djm62> apricot: you can customise that :)
[07:28] <apricot> could i angage it in the way linux key?
[07:28] <okih> Is it possible to get spyware in linux?
[07:28] <Stormx2> apricot: To do what, exactly?
[07:29] <apricot> to switch to linux when i am in the game
[07:29] <Stormx2> okih: Yes, but its not something people get usually on linux.
[07:29] <djm62> apricot: System->Preferences->Keyboard
[07:29] <ltibor65> aTypical, thanks, manually can I mount the floppy, but how can it automatically starts at startup?
[07:29] <okih> Stormx2: Is there any way to get rid of it?
[07:29] <markive> i'm trying to install T-BEAR version 1.5
[07:30] <djm62> okih: it's possible, if it's GPL then it's extremely unlikely (because people can look at the source code and remove the misfeatures)
[07:30] <Stormx2> okih: Not sure. Do a synaptic search for "spyware"
[07:30] <djm62> okih: do you think you have spyware?
[07:30] <TenPlus1> wow, I got Ubuntu to work on my spectrum 128k.... neat! :)
[07:30] <TenPlus1> takes ages to load tho
[07:30] <Stormx2> okih: Most spyware comes from Internet Explorer, which is something linux doesn't have, except if you emulate it, and even then, it can do no harm
[07:30] <markive> anybodt got T-BEAR version 1.5 running?
[07:30] <Seveas> Stormx2, I beg to differ
[07:31] <apricot> ok
[07:31] <okih> Yeah, I sometimes get spyware on firefox though.
[07:31] <okih> Like those tracking cookies.
[07:31] <MrSunshine> yay in your face modlines! :P
[07:31] <MrSunshine> i think
[07:31] <markive> i can't figure out all this /configure make install stuff
[07:31] <Seveas> A friend of mine once ran all kinds of crap with wine, just for the fun of it
[07:31] <djm62> Stormx2: the wine team have got some windows viruses to run
[07:31] <Ribs> okih: That's only a cookie, does very little damage really
[07:31] <Stormx2> Ah scary :(
[07:31] <okih> Ok
[07:31] <TenPlus1> if you use the adblock extension for firefox, it helps a lot with spyware and banner ads
[07:31] <aTypical> ltibor65, I think you'd need to add it to /etc/fstab
[07:31] <Seveas> Stormx2, and when he later synced his homedrive with his work server, the sysadmin at his work panicked :)
[07:31] <SAM_theman> what the hell?
[07:31] <djm62> okih: you might want to look for anti-spyware extensions for firefox (or use a different browser)
[07:31] <Seveas> Stormx2, so it does do harm :)
[07:31] <okih> Ok, thanks.
[07:32] <Amaranth> ltibor65: http://www.alwanza.com/howto/linux/floppy.html might help
[07:32] <Stormx2> Seveas: ah, I see.
[07:32] <SAM_theman> how come this chat works in windows and not in ubuntu
[07:32] <djm62> SAM_theman: IRC isn't linux compatible
[07:32] <MrSunshine> thats a problem
[07:32] <SAM_theman> ok
[07:32] <okih> SAM_theman: I'm in ubuntu now and it's working
[07:32] <Seveas> lol@djm62
[07:32] <mrmarcus> amaranth... what was that bot you sent me?? I accidently closed it.
[07:32] <Amaranth> djm62: haha
[07:32] <Stormx2> Seveas: It is a bit of a struggle to get some activex controls working in IE even if you have wine
[07:32] <SAM_theman> thats weird
[07:32] <MrSunshine> xfce4 version doesnt ask for my root pass when running all the fun stuff :P
[07:32] <Amaranth> !fixres
[07:32] <ubotu> fixres is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:32] <Amaranth> mrmarcus: ^
[07:32] <LjL> SAM_theman: can you elaborate "doesn't work"?
[07:32] <SAM_theman> i just left ubuntu because it wasn't working
[07:32] <ALC-JO> whats up
[07:33] <djm62> SAM_theman: not really...it should work equally well with xchat or gaim
[07:33] <Stormx2> Seveas: Seen the new IE bug? You can make it launch whatever you want. The concept site made it launch calculator
[07:33] <mrmarcus> thanks again...
[07:33] <beelzebub1987> anyone know of any linux grf file editors?
[07:33] <SAM_theman> it launches and when i go to FreeNode.net it hangs and says error
[07:33] <Amaranth> SAM_theman: it's irc.freenode.net
[07:33] <SAM_theman> gaim works'
[07:33] <SAM_theman> i know
[07:33] <Seveas> Stormx2, I don't even want to know... although, I could make ubuntu-nl.org launc format c:/ >:)
[07:33] <DUNFreak> SAM_theman, maybe firewall was on?
[07:33] <SAM_theman> i meant that
[07:33] <SAM_theman> how i take it our
[07:33] <SAM_theman> *out
[07:33] <TenPlus1> I wonder when the hell Gaim-vv will make an appearance... I need video and voice dammit...
[07:33] <SAM_theman> Off
[07:33] <LjL> SAM_theman: perhaps it times out because it cannot receive an identd replies. happens to me sometimes
[07:33] <Determinist> Seveas, hmm, i wonder how exactly
[07:33] <Seveas> TenPlus1, within days
[07:33] <Stormx2> Seveas: Exactly. Or system shutdown.
[07:34] <djm62> TenPlus1: gaim 2.0, with full google messenger support and the rest
[07:34] <Stormx2> Seveas: Its scary what a piece of junk over 75% of people use.
[07:34] <foampeace> anyone know how to mount a .cue .bin to filesystem?
[07:34] <DUNFreak> SAM_theman, check in the Synaptic Package Manager and search for firewall. Just uninstall it
[07:34] <Seveas> foampeace, use bchunk to convert it to iso
[07:34] <ElitePete> hi i have a question, where would a
[07:34] <djm62> foampeace: as opposed to being able to read it from nautilus?
[07:34] <Seveas> and mount the iso
[07:34] <SAM_theman> o oik
[07:34] <ElitePete> ample Linux vmnetnat.conf File go?
[07:34] <Determinist> Stormx2, where's that concept site, i wanna see how that works :)
[07:34] <SAM_theman> i'll thanks i try it aghain
[07:34] <Linuturk> gaim 2.0 is out?
[07:34] <foampeace> Seveas: ok thanks
[07:35] <Seveas> Linuturk, Real Soon Now
[07:35] <foampeace> djm62: it can read it in nautilus?
[07:35] <Linuturk> ah
[07:35] <ElitePete> Linux vmnetnat.conf File for vmware, where does that go?
[07:35] <Linuturk> prespective date?
[07:35] <Seveas> Linuturk, Real Soon Now :)
[07:35] <djm62> foampeace: I think so... if not you might need to convert it to ise
[07:35] <djm62> *iso
[07:35] <rickest> synaptic searches pkg names/desc that aren't installed. can you do that from the cmdline with dpkg?
[07:36] <Linuturk> Seveas, are you the dev?
[07:36] <Seveas> no
[07:36] <Linuturk> and, good :)
[07:36] <Seveas> Linuturk, see http://gaim.sourceforge.net/
[07:36] <djm62> rickest: apt-cache search?
[07:36] <ElitePete> can anyone tell me where to put a vmware linux nat config file?
[07:36] <rickest> djm62: thanks, will try that
[07:36] <MrSunshine> ubotu, tell me about opengl
[07:37] <djm62> rickest: I usually do apt-cache search searchterm | grep othersearchterm
[07:37] <MrSunshine> have a slight opengl problem also .. it runs fine for 4secs then it stops .. runs for like 0.1sec, stops etc ? :>
[07:38] <djm62> (synaptic is great, but I've usually opened a command line and typed "apt-" before I remember to use it)
[07:38] <Seveas> :D
[07:38] <cor1y> hello folks anyone know where I can find a guide on compiling vlc in Ubunut?
[07:38] <Seveas> same here
[07:38] <Seveas> cor1y, simple, yo don't
[07:38] <Seveas> apt-get install vlx
[07:38] <LjL> cor1y: what's wrong with the packaged vlc?
[07:38] <Seveas> vlc even
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> cor1y,  im using the apt version. :P
[07:38] <cor1y> well I want to add w32 codecs
[07:38] <rickest> djm62: cool, I've only messed with dpkg so far but will look more at agt-*
[07:38] <ElitePete> sudo apt-get install vlc
[07:38] <ElitePete> :-)
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I never noticed it needint them.,
[07:39] <cor1y> well WMV3
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> or it was using them allready.. it seems to play most anything ive tossed at it.
[07:39] <cor1y> won't play
[07:39] <djm62> rickest: apt is one of the Great Things about debian-based distros, linux, and computers in general
[07:39] <ElitePete> seveas can you assist me with something?
[07:39] <cor1y> funny that I ad the regular version it works
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> I find its more of the codec in the files.. but i guess ya could alwyas go grab the source.
[07:39] <cor1y> but I try to compile from source with w32 codecs
[07:39] <rickest> djm62: definitely.  I know RPM cmdline tools well but am loving ubuntu/.deb so far
[07:40] <cor1y> and it tells me I don't have wxwidgets
[07:40] <cor1y> which I do
[07:40] <Seveas> ElitePete, depends on what it is
[07:40] <Seveas> cor1y, apt-get build-dep vlc
[07:40] <ElitePete> Seveas, port forwarding a vmware virtual machine?
[07:40] <rickest> djm62: and like you, I find myself invoking the cmdline tools before I even remember the GUI ones  :)
[07:40] <soundray> Need a hint please: is there a scholarly paper about perceptions (fears, preferences) of command line interfaces and GUIs?
[07:40] <Sai> :o
[07:40] <Seveas> ElitePete, in that case no
[07:41] <cmatheson> soundray: hmm, i don't know if this fit's the bill, but there is an essay called 'In the Beginning There Was The Command-Line'
[07:41] <Sai> i know this isnt the right channel to ask but thanks to ubuntu i can..
[07:41] <cor1y> ok will do thanks
[07:41] <Sai> is there a windows chan to help me with something
[07:41] <Sai> xD
[07:41] <djm62> soundray: "in the beginning was the command line"...schneierman (maybe schneiderman) is a good book on UI design
[07:41] <soundray> cmatheson, Neal Stephenson?
[07:41] <LjL> cor1y: if you look at VLC's "features" page on the site, it will tell you there is no support for WMV3 under linux
[07:41] <cmatheson> soundray: yes
[07:41] <cor1y> well
[07:41] <cor1y> I did get wmv3 to play
[07:41] <soundray> cmatheson, excellent, I hadn't thought of that.
[07:42] <cor1y> but the skins library is all messed up
[07:42] <Sai> sorry to have bothered *looks elsewhere*
[07:42] <cor1y> the interface doesn't work
[07:42] <LjL> cor1y: when you say you "have" wxwidgets, do you mean you have the *development package* for it?
[07:42] <soundray> Thanks cmatheson
[07:42] <cmatheson> soundray: :)
[07:43] <cor1y> espehmm i just took what was on the vlc contrib
[07:43] <cor1y> and compiled from that
[07:43] <Seveas> !maccodecs is http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/codecs.html
[07:43] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[07:43] <LjL> cor1y: why don't you try "apt-get build-dep vlc" and then compile again?
[07:44] <cor1y> ok
[07:44] <seanj> hello people
[07:44] <ptomes> please, could somebody advise me how it is possible to translate booting screen for installetion Ubuntu flight2? I have already experiences with rosetta infrastructure but i don't know which of packages it is... :(
[07:45] <Seveas> ptomes, the boot screen is not yet translatable
[07:45] <dooglus> jdmpike: did you get that gamin thing worked out?
[07:45] <Happuf> Seveas: i'm curious. Do you work with ubuntu?
[07:46] <LjL> cor1y: anyway, note that when you try to compile a program and it complains about missing something, it's actually asking about the *headers* for that something. a configure script might be very well "missing GTK" or "missing wxwindow" even though they're installed -- but the *development* packages (i.e. the headers) might not be
[07:46] <Happuf> Like devolpment..
[07:46] <foampeace> anyone know how to play .dat movie files with mplayer?
[07:46] <LjL> cor1y: development packages are packages whose names end with "-dev" or (rarely) with "-headers"
[07:46] <Seveas> Happuf, half
[07:46] <JDahl> foampeace, what format is that?
[07:46] <Happuf> Seveas: ok :)
[07:46] <djm62> foampeace: try "file datfilenam" at the command line
[07:47] <cor1y> hmmm this linux thing is tough :)
[07:47] <ptomes> seveas: where i can follow news about this (and other related thigs)? we (Ubuntu CZech) are very happy to noticeably extent and improve l10n of next versions Ubuntu.
[07:47] <foampeace> JDahl: should be vcd
[07:47] <cor1y> seriously thought thanks for the help
[07:47] <cor1y> and cross your fingers
[07:47] <seanj> i found windows tought when i started using it too
[07:48] <seanj> -t
[07:48] <LjL> cor1y: compiling programs is not always too easy, granted. but compiling programs is also something that's not supposed to be done too often by non-developers
[07:48] <cor1y> been trying for days to get this to work
[07:48] <seanj> o_O what's going on cor1y
[07:48] <seanj> maybe i can help
[07:48] <djm62> cor1y: compiling software is inherently complex, but linux developers and tools make it as easy as possible
[07:48] <cor1y> well vlc won't compile correctly
[07:48] <cor1y> at least the interface is messed up
[07:49] <LjL> cor1y: if it still doesn't compile after the apt-get build-dep, try "make distclean" and then again
[07:49] <foampeace> djm62: avseq01.dat: ERROR: cannot read `avseq01.dat' (Input/output error)
[07:49] <djm62> foampeace: oooh, broken
[07:49] <cor1y> this is a special version I'm trying
[07:49] <seanj> oh crud, you're talking about doing it the 'debian way' lol
[07:49] <cor1y> I got the special part right
[07:49] <regeya> bork bork bork
[07:49] <Seveas> ptomes, the bootloader will not be translatable in a very long time
[07:49] <LjL> seanj: no we aren't
[07:50] <seanj> oh k
[07:50] <Seveas> regeya, LOL, I'm actually watching the muppet show now :)
[07:50] <LjL> seanj: it's just that his configure script is complaining that it's missing wxwindow
[07:50] <Linuturk> i've shrank my windows partition by 10 gigs, and I plan on installing two distro's of linux on the remaining space. can two distro's of linux use the same swap file?
[07:50] <foampeace> djm62: maybe not, when i used  bchunk the .cue .bin created 2 .iso. the first iso i could mount, the 2nd 1 i couldnt
[07:50] <regeya> Seveas: heh!
[07:50] <LjL> seanj: since vlc is packaged, the easiest way to get all the dev packages that vlc needs is to use apt-get build-dep
[07:50] <Seveas> Linuturk, yes
[07:50] <djm62> cor1y: apt-get build-dep vlc; apt-get source vlc; cd vlc_whatever; debian/rules binary
[07:50] <dooglus> Linuturk: it's silly not to
[07:50] <seanj> sounds sensible
[07:50] <ormandj> hi, i have an lcd, it runs 1680x1050, ubuntu picked this up properly. however, it's supposed to operate at 75hz, and it's running at 60hz in ubuntu. how can i fix this?
[07:50] <foampeace> Seveas: maybe not, when i used  bchunk the .cue .bin created 2 .iso. the first iso i could mount, the 2nd 1 i couldnt
[07:50] <Linuturk> good, how much space do you recommend for the ubuntu install?
[07:51] <regeya> ja
[07:51] <cor1y> hmmm
[07:51] <ptomes> seveas: thank you for info, but thee is some other issues such as 2 english help-menu items in each application :(
[07:51] <Linuturk> out of 9 gigs
[07:51] <dooglus> Linuturk: 5 gigs is plenty
[07:51] <Linuturk> cool, that leaves 4 for the other distro
[07:51] <LjL> cor1y: no, don't "apt-get source vlc .....", as that will get you the *standard* vlc package
[07:51] <Seveas> ptomes, 'get help online' and 'translate this app'?
[07:51] <ptomes> seveas: yes
[07:51] <Seveas> ptomes, that should be translatable on launchpad (liblaunchpadintegration)
[07:51] <rickest> Linuturk: I just did a full desktop + apache + mod_php + mod_perl install and it's right at 2G
[07:52] <cor1y> well all I wanted was to add WMV3 support
[07:52] <cartesian1984> my original partition was 5 gigs. i ran out of space after installing 900000 things with synaptic
[07:52] <djm62> LjL: it will get the debian directory, which could be handy in creating a package from the new/custom source code
[07:52] <[do_while] > hi
[07:52] <dooglus> my root partition is 5Gb and it's almost full.  can I find out how that 5Gb is divided?
[07:52] <[do_while] > it's possible to install ubuntu over NFS
[07:52] <[do_while] > ?
[07:52] <Delvien> Is there anyway to go back to DEFAULT icon theme ( iam swithcing back from KDE ) and some of my gnome icons just show up as a window... Can anyone help?
[07:52] <Seveas> [do_while] , yes
[07:52] <LjL> djm62: oh well...
[07:52] <[do_while] > Seveas, how?
[07:53] <LjL> djm62: i'd just use checkinstall if it were for me
[07:53] <Seveas> [do_while] , dunno, but look at the wiki
[07:53] <[do_while] > i don't found it
[07:53] <Linuturk> rickest, i want plenty of room, that's all
[07:53] <ilba7r> Delvien try to rerun gnome-settings-daemon
[07:53] <rickest> is there an easy way to boot the Ubuntu LiveCD to console only?  Have read the /doc/* and don't see anything
[07:53] <djm62> LjL: I'm always deeply suspicious of that sort of thing, but I'm sure it does the job
[07:53] <ptomes> seveas: such projects doesn't exists on launchpad :( https://launchpad.net/products/?text=liblaunchpadintegration
[07:54] <rickest> Linuturk: just giving you an idea of what my install has taken so far
[07:54] <Linuturk> ah, thx
[07:54] <aTypical> I seem to have lost my applications menu.  I click on it and it flickers for a second, but then is gone.
[07:54] <Delvien> You can only run one xsettings manager at a time; exiting
[07:54] <LjL> cor1y: this is what i'd do to compile "cd <vlc-directory>; sudo apt-get build-dep vlc; make distclean; make dist-clean; ./configure <any-option-you-want>; make; sudo checkinstall"
[07:54] <ilba7r> Delvien than i presume the kde setting daemon is still running
[07:55] <LjL> djm62: the packages it creates are not quite standard, but it's definitely better than just using make install
[07:55] <ilba7r> did you reboot after uninstalling kde?
[07:55] <cor1y> well if this one fails again I'll try yours
[07:55] <ilba7r> and did you uninstall all packages
[07:55] <Linuturk> wasn't there a plan to release xubuntu, with the XFCE desktop as default?
[07:55] <Delvien> iiba7r ? umm i installed KDE about 3 months ago :P
[07:55] <Delvien> iibatr im just now making a switch back to gnome
[07:56] <foampeace> whats a kvcd?
[07:56] <ilba7r> Delvien ok sorry my ffriend have no idea how to help. Though i just tried kde and ran back to gnome it soo hurt the eye lol
[07:57] <MrSunshine> strange, installed nvidia-glx and now my starting X is REALY slow .. ive got an tnt2 m64
[07:57] <Delvien> iiba7r well do you know how to edit the icons that are in system /administration?
[07:57] <djm62> LjL: the thing with make install is that it goes in /usr/local which means I can keep an eye on it
[07:58] <Joshier35> Hello there, i would like some help regarding my instillation of ubuntu (amd 64). There are many drivers which just arn't there for my hardware ( such as 9800 radeon pro, my network card -- nVIDIA nForce3 ) and other such things. If i can get the network card to work (it says its running in the contorl panel, but when i put the details in and click ok, nothing happens and i still get no internet access. ) If i can get the network card to w
[07:58] <ilba7r> Delvien you mean you want to assign the icons by hand. you can use the menu editor SMEG or just right click on the menu item and edit it
[07:58] <Delvien> iiba7r i mean the ones that dont show up on smeg
[07:59] <MrSunshine> and how to restore everything i dont know :/
[07:59] <ProN00b> can anyone tell me some cool program for ubuntu i really need and most likely not already have ?
[07:59] <Tarantulafudge> does anyone know how I can get my extra keyboard lights to work? I have a messages LED that I wanna use for my email.
[07:59] <djm62> ProN00b: are you running beagle?
[07:59] <Linuturk> wasn't there a plan to release xubuntu, with the XFCE desktop as default?
[07:59] <LjL> djm62: it goes to /usr/local with checkinstall as well
[08:00] <ProN00b> djm62, breezy
[08:00] <ntldr> how do I switch to KDE?
[08:00] <Seveas> Linuturk, will (hopefully) be done for 6.04 or else 6.10
[08:00] <djm62> ProN00b: beagle is a cool desktop search thing
[08:00] <LjL> djm62: checkinstall just runs make install while keeping track of every change it makes to the filesystem, so that it knows which files to put in a package
[08:00] <Seveas> ntldr, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && apt-get remove brain
[08:00] <Seveas> :)
[08:00] <ilba7r> Delvien no
[08:00] <LjL> djm62: that way, you can remove the program by simply removing the package (and reinstall it by simply installing the package)
[08:00] <dooglus> djm62: I tried beagle once.  it crashed breezy when I tried to "/bin/rm -fr /usr/src"
[08:00] <Linuturk> Seveas, anyway to preorder the stamp cd?
[08:00] <ilba7r> seveas lol remove brain and eyes and comfort lol
[08:01] <ProN00b> ooh, djm62 i think i have seen it bevore
[08:01] <Seveas> Linuturk, they will not send out xubuntu cd's
[08:01] <Delvien> iiba7r because they are screwed up and i dont know how to fix them
[08:01] <djm62> dooglus: you did what?!?
[08:01] <dooglus> djm62: apparently beagle tries to update its database every time you delete a file.  /usr/src contained thousands of files, which I deleted all at once.  beagle couldn't handle it.
[08:01] <Joshier35> in other words, where can i find linux drivers ( ubuntu ) for my hardware, is there any decent sites?
[08:01] <dooglus> djm62: I deleted the kernel sources
[08:01] <djm62> ah right
[08:01] <Seveas> Joshier35, don't think so windows
[08:01] <djm62> dooglus: I thought it only indexed /home
[08:01] <ilba7r> Delvien frankly i do not use the menus as i used to i nearly administrate my pc from the command line now
[08:01] <dooglus> djm62: I don't think so
[08:01] <Seveas> Joshier35, all drivers are included in the kernel
[08:02] <ProN00b> anything else ?
[08:02] <cmatheson> dooglus: probably want to rm -rf /usr/src/* as opposed to /usr/src
[08:02] <LjL> Joshier35: perhaps you should try using the 32-bit version of ubuntu rather than the 64-bit version, if that's what you're using
[08:02] <SWAT> how much watt does a monitor (LCD or CRT) use nowadays?
[08:02] <Joshier35> Seveas .. well that can't be right, because i have a 9800 pro radeon. a nforce chipset net work (	
[08:02] <Joshier35> K8N Neo Platinum
[08:02] <Joshier35> motherboard
[08:02] <dooglus> djm62: actually - maybe you're right.  maybe it wasn't the kernel sources - maybe it was some other big project that I had built in my home directory.  either way, it really messed things up, so much so that I had to reboot
[08:02] <Joshier35> and my graphics card doesn't run properly
[08:02] <djm62> horrible
[08:03] <Seveas> Joshier35, you need the linux-restricted-modules package and xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:03] <Seveas> and you need to edit xorg.conf to use fglrx instead of ati
[08:03] <Joshier35> Seveas thanks, where can i get that?
[08:03] <djm62> dooglus: mostly I misread it as rm -rf /usr/bin and thought you couldn't really complain about crashing ;)
[08:03] <Seveas> Joshier35, with synaptic or apt-get
[08:03] <dooglus> djm62: heh, fair enough.
[08:03] <Joshier35> Seveas oh no, you mean i have to edit and (pardon my french ) f*** about with text files?.. thats terrible
[08:04] <LjL> Joshier35: well, get used to it :)
[08:04] <Seveas> Joshier35, just one word needs to be changed :)
[08:04] <StarKruzr> hey guys.  so I have php5 installed and need php4 for some things.  I'm running apache2, but when I apt-get install php4 it wants to install apache 1.3.  how do I fix this dependency thing?
[08:04] <LjL> Joshier35: you won't get very far in linux without editing files
[08:04] <djm62> it's getting better all the time...
[08:04] <Seveas> StarKruzr, libapache2-mod-php4
[08:04] <Joshier35> LjL i'm not up for shagging with text files, im up for using the computer.
[08:05] <LjL> djm62: yes but still "better" is relative
[08:05] <StarKruzr> Seveas: that's all?!
[08:05] <jnk> Joshier35, you have to open one text file and change one word. I C'est pas la mer  boire :)
[08:05] <Seveas> StarKruzr, yes
[08:05] <Joshier35> to be honest, im highly disapointed in everyone to not support the ati radeon 9800 pro at this stage. i mean, come on.. it's one of the most popular cards out there and you guys still can't sort it out. tut, tut.
[08:05] <StarKruzr> Seveas: okay, see, that will apparently remove php5.
[08:05] <regeya> shagging with text files....
[08:05] <dooglus> jdmpike: http://s89213869.onlinehome.us/gam.py is a small python script which will do what you want
[08:06] <LjL> Joshier35: in that case, perhaps use windows and wait untill linux distributions get more mature. i can assure you *will have* to edit a text file here and there to use ubuntu, currently
[08:06] <regeya> Joshier35, never had a problem with any operating system whatsoever where you have to deal with doing things by hand
[08:06] <jnk> Joshier35, the problem of course is that ATI makes thing quite difficult with their proprietary drivers
[08:06] <LjL> Joshier35: what about sending an email to ATI asking why they keep the programming interfaces secret?
[08:06] <Joshier35> jnk fair enough. but i would have thought some group would have made their own drivers for it.
[08:06] <djm62> Joshier35: it's not ubuntu's fault... ATI has poor support, because they know fine well any problems will be blamed on the OS
[08:07] <Hoxzer> any ftp client for linux that can login for upto 30 ftp server without making any windows and then allowing user to search files from them
[08:07] <dooglus> jdmpike: http://s89213869.onlinehome.us/gam.py.txt I mean.  the .py ending made the server think it was a CGI script
[08:07] <mjr> Joshier35, such development is in progress, though made slow by lack of information
[08:07] <jnk> Joshier35, there are drivers but programmers need time to catch up, and developing optimized drivers for each card is a lot of work
[08:07] <poningru> Hoxzer: how about the terminal?
[08:07] <mjr> Joshier35, see http://r300.sourceforge.net
[08:07] <Linuturk> well, if i ever go to work for ATI, i'll foward those interfaces to the public
[08:07] <regeya> I mean, for example, people I work with are all for making sure things work, but they're upset when I have to do anything manually, because they won't be able to recreate that solution themselves.  do they just say 'oh well, guess we'll have to ditch these OS X boxes and see if we can order some Windows boxes to see if they just work right out of the box...'
[08:07] <Joshier35> arn't ATI stupid then?.. why don't they go open source, then everyone ( like linux ) can help fix the bugs
[08:07] <regeya> nope.
[08:07] <LjL> Linuturk: useless if you do that without permission from ATI
[08:08] <LjL> Joshier35: ask them, i don't know.
[08:08] <StarKruzr> Seveas: I am, for example, already running a MediaWiki under php5.  if I do this and it uninstalls php5, will it explode when it finds php4?
[08:08] <jnk> Joshier35, I don't know for ATI, but nvidia says they have licensing issues with third parties which prevent them from open sourcing their drivers
[08:08] <Seveas> yes
[08:08] <djm62> Joshier35: they aren't stupid, they're very profitable.  they are under no obligation to support anyone else (what percentage of people choose hardware to be compatible with their OS?)
[08:08] <regeya> Joshier35, also bear in mind that you're installing an *alternative* *operating system* and that sometimes things aren't as easy as point-and-click.
[08:08] <jnk> Joshier35, maybe it's the same for ATI
[08:08] <StarKruzr> Seveas: it WILL explode?
[08:08] <learnfromscratch> what exactly are these ips for ?? can i use them in my /etc/resolv.conf  4.2.2.1 4.2.2.2
[08:09] <jnk> anyway wasn't there a package in ubuntu which took care of changing xorg.conf ?
[08:09] <Seveas> StarKruzr, no of course not
[08:09] <StarKruzr> learnfromscratch: those are DNS root A servers which are master DNS servers for the internet
[08:09] <jnk> I think there was one in warty or hoary...
[08:09] <Joshier35> ok, well thanks for your replies people. Random question:: what do you think the best router to get is?.. thanks
[08:09] <StarKruzr> Seveas: okay, thanks.
[08:09] <Seveas> jnk, no, but X.org is working on easier configuration :)
[08:09] <Joshier35> i have a d-link and it is total rubbish.
[08:09] <Tarantulafudge> nobody knows how to use keyboard lights?
[08:09] <Joshier35> (d-link 504t to be specific)
[08:09] <rosen> Joshier35, Cisco
[08:09] <Joshier35> rosen i'm not a millionaire
[08:10] <jnk> Joshier35, I have a linksys with openwrt... nice but the connection drops sometime
[08:10] <learnfromscratch> StarKruzr:  can i put them in /etc/resolv.conf if my ISP's nameserver is not working ??
[08:10] <Linuturk> i've not had problems with linksys
[08:10] <StarKruzr> learnfromscratch: shouldn't be a problem.  I do it :)
[08:10] <rosen> Joshier35, then arent all expensive .. but for cheaper ones... maybe Extreme .. dunno
[08:10] <Joshier35> what model lynksys is best?
[08:10] <Linuturk> wrt54G is what I use
[08:10] <Linuturk> that's a wireless router
[08:10] <Joshier35> ok thanks
[08:10] <jnk> Joshier35, if you want to hack it, take one with linux on it..
[08:10] <Linuturk> and 4 ports
[08:10] <ElitePete> anyone here use vmware and can help me out?
[08:10] <Joshier35> i know its a wireless one, but it does have network ports too ive been told
[08:11] <regeya> example...right now I just downgraded imagemagick, dvdauthor, and mjpegtools by hand, pinning those packages, and am building dvdstyler by hand, all so I can make home movie dvds for parents/in-laws of their grandbaby.  if I was using Windows, I probably would have just dropped by Best Buy and dropped $50-$100 on a consumer-level editing/authoring proggy.  is it worth it?  to me it is.  is it worth the hassle of not being abl
[08:11] <regeya> e to buy the latest/greatest hardware, or doing homework to stay away from proprietary hardware that will never be open?  to me it is.
[08:11] <poningru> regeya: whatchu crying aboot?
[08:12] <j--> hey guys, Im currently doing an install and am prompted to select a kernel, unfortunately the installer gives no info about the choices.  What are the differences between linux-powerpc & linux-image-powerpc & linux-image-2.6.12-9-powerpc
[08:12] <jnk> regeya, there is actually a good free frontend to dvdauthor for windows... too bad it's not available on unix platforms
[08:12] <ormandj> heh, get a mac or use windows if you want ease of use for advanced desktop level stuff (music composition, gfx, movie, 3d, etc)
[08:12] <devster> has anyone tried compiling Xvnc on 64bit?
[08:12] <ormandj> because until the big companies who write that software find linux worth porting to, you're SOL
[08:12] <djm62> ormandj: yeah, I'll send my chauffeur to pick up a mac tomorrow ;)
[08:13] <Linuturk> i bet ubuntu could convince them
[08:13] <ormandj> djm62, lol :P
[08:13] <Linuturk> it's a great system
[08:13] <ormandj> linuxturk: evet :)
[08:13] <ormandj> but it'll be a while before mainstream apps are running native
[08:13] <rosen> I could convince them
[08:13] <rosen> I got a bat !
[08:13] <ElitePete> anyone here use vmware and can help me out?
[08:13] <Linuturk> ormandj, no "x"
[08:13] <Linuturk> :-P
[08:14] <regeya> poningru, if you're not going to pay attention to the conversation, heh, butt out. :-)
[08:14] <ormandj> ops :P
[08:14] <ormandj> <-- aptal :P
[08:14] <ormandj> i should learn to use nick completion
[08:14] <jnk> ElitePete, maybe you should ask in #vmware
[08:14] <cartesian1984> ElitePete: i did, whats the problem
[08:14] <regeya> jnk: yep.  oh, well. :-)
[08:14] <djm62> ormandj: some already are...I'm pretty excited about http://www.xaraxtreme.org/
[08:15] <laforge> anyone who knows another tool instead iconv to convert files to utf8 ? and whole directories ?
[08:15] <ormandj> djm62, i use it, it's nice for vector gfx :)
[08:15] <shadox> hi
[08:15] <ormandj> djm62, but it's not nice for photo editing (it wasn't meant to be)
[08:15] <dashoffen> Hi, i  have a exectuable in a folder in my home folder, and i was wondering if i could get it to show up in bash or w/e so that i didnt have to specify the path every time i want to run it
[08:15] <ormandj> djm62, there is _no_ photoshop alternative right now, and that's unfortunate!
[08:15] <regeya> jnk: dvdstyler is also on the windows platform.  seems nice; there were a few issues with getting it working on breezy, though.  nothing big tho
[08:15] <shadox> can someone help me out? i got a (mayB) stupid question
[08:15] <djm62> ormandj: and there are things like macromedia or adobe testing their products on wine
[08:15] <Kyral> dashoffen: move it to ~/bin
[08:15] <mjr> laforge, recode, though won't do dirs
[08:15] <vodnik> I tried to install xubuntu on one of my older PCs (300mhz 96MB RAM) (server install and the install xubuntu-desktop), instalation went fine, but when i try xfce4-session, i got this:Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display - i installed neither gdm nor kdm since the PC is really slow and it is optional according to wiki... couldbe this the problem?
[08:15] <Kyral> dashoffen: bash looks there IF it exists
[08:15] <Linuturk> what is the ubuntu equililant to Dreamweaver 8?
[08:15] <jnk> ormandj, also for audio Ardour is truely great, but it's more professional-oriented than Garageband so it takes some time to learn too
[08:15] <Joshier35> I personally do websites ( design ) and have used fireworks in the past. But recently i've noticed how many tihngs i dislike about it. i would be interested in programs for linux for vector stuff
[08:15] <Kyral> Linuturk: Nvu?
[08:16] <_jason> dashinho, either put it somewhere in your path or add the folder to your path, 'echo $PATH' shows you your current path
[08:16] <rickest> ormandj: gimp isn't photoshop for sure, but it's not trivial either
[08:16] <StarKruzr> why is GIMP not a photoshop alternative?
[08:16] <ElitePete> cartesian1984, i can't seem to open the ports on my virtual machine for starcraft
[08:16] <ltibor65> Guys, can I add to Grub loader an other Linux system in order to start it if I want?
[08:16] <laforge> mjr: thx
[08:16] <ormandj> jnk: uhm, well, i'm a logic/cubase user, and ardour didn't cut it for me :) http://corenode.com/~ormandj/images/studio
[08:16] <dashoffen> Kyral, thanks!, but is there a way i could make a link and place that in bin?
[08:16] <Kyral> _jason: Actually Bash puts $HOME/bin in the path if it exists
[08:16] <StarKruzr> it's not quite as feature-complete as PS but it's still really good.
[08:16] <linkd> ok, i have a DLink Router and a DSL connection, im having some real trouble with domain name resolution. resolv.conf contains the information for the nameservers that my ISP offers, but im still having problems with linux (windows works fine), im not sure if there is something in the router settings to change. in all truth i dont know what to look for, i wonder if anyone could at least push me in the direction towards fixing this?
[08:16] <StarKruzr> of course it suffers from the same usability problems PS does.
[08:16] <shadox> someone?
[08:16] <jnk> StarKruzr, it doesn't do 16-bit/floating point colors yet (AFAIK)
[08:16] <cartesian1984> ElitePete: what guest OS?
[08:16] <_jason> Kyral, ah did not know that :)
[08:16] <ElitePete> cartesian1984, xp pro sp2
[08:16] <regeya> StarKruzr, you can google for that.  There are a number of reasons, most of them related to professional/print work.
[08:16] <ormandj> StarKruzr, gimp isn't even close to PS :P
[08:16] <Kyral> _jason: Its what I get for being bored and reading the .bashrc :D
[08:17] <rickest> nice studio!
[08:17] <regeya> StarKruzr, as with Nvidia drivers, there are also legal issues.
[08:17] <StarKruzr> ah.
[08:17] <cartesian1984> ElitePete: you have bridged networking set up?
[08:17] <_jason> Kyral, ha I just opened mine up!
[08:17] <ElitePete> cartesian1984, nat networking, i can't get bridged to work
[08:17] <jnk> ormandj, out of curiosity, what are you missing in ardour?
[08:17] <regeya> RGB->CMYK is a major "intellectual property" can of worms
[08:17] <cdubya> linkd, wired or wireless
[08:17] <rickest> linkd: is your computer getting DHCP IP from router?
[08:17] <ElitePete> cartesian1984, i have edited the nat.conf file but people still can't join my games
[08:17] <renatosansevero> hi
[08:17] <shadox> can someone tell me how to get access to my windows files?
[08:18] <Seveas> shadox, boot into windows
[08:18] <anthony> hello, im trying to play .wma files in ubuntu (xmms) can someone tell me how to do this please
[08:18] <djm62> how much complexity can RGB->CMYK possible have?
[08:18] <linkd> cdubya: wired. rickest: yea its in DHCP, i obviously can access the internet (im using it now) but for some reason DNS resolution fails
[08:18] <regeya> gimp is great for doing web work, prepping pics for doing prints at home, that sort of thing.
[08:18] <StarKruzr> w00t
[08:18] <jnk> anthony, if they have DRM you can't
[08:18] <cartesian1984> ElitePete: its going to be hard without bridged networking, i didn't think 3D acceleration worked in vmware anyway, so i never really gamed
[08:18] <eobanb> shadox, read the faq
[08:18] <dashoffen> shadox, simply put a line in the fstab to mount your windows drive
[08:18] <cdubya> shadox, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[08:18] <regeya> djm62: that sort of question tells me you've never done prepress work ;-)
[08:18] <shadox> i did
[08:18] <ElitePete> cartesian1984, can you help me setup bridged then?
[08:18] <StarKruzr> ahahahahaha
[08:18] <shadox> i just don't get it
[08:18] <ElitePete> cartesian1984, sc runs fine, just people can't connect to my game.
[08:18] <eobanb> what dont you get, Shadowline
[08:18] <eobanb> er
[08:19] <StarKruzr> djm62: work for a photo company for a year and get back to me :)
[08:19] <eobanb> shadox
[08:19] <rickest> linkd: is your router getting DHCP from your ISP or is the WAN config static?
[08:19] <eobanb> damn tab completion :)
[08:19] <djm62> I thought they were two different ways of representing pixel colours...
[08:19] <cartesian1984> ElitePete: it been a while, ask in #vmware, ill try and find you an FAQ
[08:19] <linkd> rickest: im not sure, how would i find out?
[08:19] <ElitePete> cartesian1984, they all afk in #vmware
[08:20] <cartesian1984> ElitePete: ah. a shame. I'll look into it then
[08:20] <shadox> yes?
[08:20] <cdubya> shadox, what don't you understand
[08:20] <anthony> DRM?
[08:20] <anthony> what do you mean?
[08:20] <cdubya> digital rights management?
[08:20] <jnk> yeah
[08:21] <rickest> linkd: you could look in your router config.  but basically, I think the answer is if your machine is doing DHCP you shouldn't have anything in resolv.conf
[08:21] <eobanb> shadox, what do you not understand about mounting windows partitions
[08:21] <shadox> the talk about /dev/dhal
[08:21] <ltibor65> Seveas, what means the green circle in front of your name?
[08:21] <Razor-X> b
[08:21] <Dell> Hey People
[08:21] <Hoxzer> somebody here has jubler?
[08:21] <ElitePete> means he is ops.
[08:21] <linkd> rickest: hmm, well how would i fix this?
[08:21] <eobanb> shadox, you dont need to do that, you can use the script
[08:21] <cdubya> Itibor65, a moderator?
[08:21] <Seveas> which green circle?
[08:21] <ormandj> jnk: the worst issue was lack of sequencer :P
[08:22] <eobanb> shadox, did the script work for you?
[08:22] <ormandj> jnk: that's a pretty big "oops, can't use it" type thing :P
[08:22] <cartesian1984> ElitePete: what was the problem with bridged networking?
[08:22] <ElitePete> cartesian1984, it just doesn't let my virtual machine online..
[08:22] <ltibor65> Seveas, it is not more.
[08:22] <linkd> rickest: how would the box know that the route provides DNS resolution forwarding without it being told in resolv.conf
[08:22] <rickest> linkd: backup resolv.conf, then empty it, then /etc/init.d/network restart
[08:23] <shadox> i skipped it, because it was said you can mount windows in only 2 lines in the terminal window
[08:23] <StarKruzr> can anyone who has installed phpbb2 via apt-get tell me where the hell it put my forum files?
[08:23] <linkd> rickest: ok ill give that a shot
[08:23] <ormandj> jnk: the other issue was no plugin support for commercial plugins, of which i have thousands, and didn't see any OSS replacements that were comparible for :)
[08:23] <Seveas> ltibor65, are you sure?
[08:23] <regeya> djm62: on a very basic level, it's *not* that big a deal converting from RGB->CMYK.  In essence you essentially mimic doing separations using red, green, blue, and yellow filters.  in practice proggys like photoshop give you options on the amount of black ink, the level of colored inks, replacement with black ink and how heavy to do that, etc.  you can google for the info if you're interested...personally, I have to go burn s
[08:23] <regeya> ome brush. :-)
[08:23] <rickest> linkd: I think DHCP should take care of it for you
[08:23] <rickest> dynamically
[08:23] <eobanb> shadox: ...
[08:23] <ormandj> jnk: other than that, it was nifty as a toy :P
[08:23] <iapx8088> hi all. anyhone know a way to bipass rivafb check in linux-restricted source?
[08:23] <cartesian1984> ElitePete: strange. I wonder if the new version of Xen or Bochs can run windows. vmware was just too much of a hassle for me
[08:23] <ltibor65> Seveas, operator?
[08:24] <shadox> it should be something lik: sudo mkdir media/windows
[08:24] <Seveas> ltibor65, yup
[08:24] <jnk> ormandj, you're recording from MIDI? Well you could use any decent linux sequencer and link it to ardour through jack...
[08:24] <shadox> and then followed by another line
[08:24] <iapx8088> I'm trying to compile my nvidia drivers from the source but got that error, with the ubuntu stock kernel
[08:24] <ElitePete> cartesian1984, all i want is to be able to host sc games :-)
[08:24] <eobanb> shadox that will mount it just once, but it wont edit anything in fstab so it wont persist after reboot...just run the script and it will set up fstab for you
[08:24] <Seveas> iapx8088, why do you think it performs the check?
[08:25] <Seveas> not because you should skip it
[08:25] <jnk> ormandj, ardour supports VSTs
[08:25] <shadox> ok
[08:25] <ormandj> jnk: i could deal with the lack of plugin support (which i can understand), but i need a sequencer. as for decent linux sequencer, i've never found one. and yes, i do lots of midi. i do live recording into samples, mix those in, but i also do drum programming/synths/etc, and i need midi sequencing for those (i make a lot of diff kinds of music)
[08:25] <shadox> will do, thnQ
[08:25] <jnk> ormandj, (and the sequencer should appear in a future version)
[08:25] <ormandj> jnk: i couldn't get it to work with my plugins :) could have been an error on my part. regardless, i didn't really care too much about that :) the sequencer is what killed me
[08:26] <ltibor65> ubotu, how automatically mount the floppy?
[08:26] <ubotu> ltibor65: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:26] <jnk> ormandj, well you may want to try again in, say, one year :)
[08:26] <ormandj> jnk: for instance, i can't play drums at 400 bpm :P but i sure as hell have them going 400bpm in half my songs. nor do i have 18 arms, which you'd need to play the stuff i program :P
[08:26] <tom> how can i make the workspace switcher to show all workspaces? the option is greyed out: http://eggdrop.ch/workspace_switcher_preferences.png
[08:26] <ormandj> jnk: in a year, i hope they've made it portable to things other than linux, and i just might then :P
[08:27] <ormandj> it'd sure be nice to leave 1grand in my pocket every year + who knows how much countless money in plugins
[08:27] <ninnghizidha> Hello! I'm looking for the command to enter the single user mode ....
[08:27] <linkd> rickest: ok that didnt really work, it just recreated resolv.conf with my routers IP set as the nameserver and when trying to host <dns> i get some ips which are correct, and then ";; Warning: Message parser reports malformed message packet."2 and ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached" any other program other than host just says hostname resolution failure and doesnt connect because of this
[08:27] <jnk> ormandj, you mean that once ardour suits your need you'd use it under windows or what?
[08:28] <shadox> think it worked
[08:28] <jnk> ninnghizidha, shutdown now
[08:28] <ltibor65> ubotu, fun away, I need help to mount floppy.
[08:28] <ubotu> ltibor65: I give up, what is it?
[08:28] <yoz> guys... got a question concerning breezy. it seems like I have a sound issue. my sound actually works fine but I can't adjust it nor set it mute. anyone a suggestion?
[08:28] <ormandj> jnk: fbsd preferably. or maybe some alternative os. :)
[08:28] <jnk> ormandj, oh ok :)
[08:28] <ninnghizidha> but .. i dont want to reboot - i just want to be shure there is just one process running.
[08:28] <djk_> how do i rename files with mv? mv *.snd *.SND /target/directory ?
[08:28] <ormandj> jnk: i just think it should be portable. i don't want to HAVE to run it on linux. that's no worse than lockin on windows.
[08:29] <StarKruzr> can anyone who has installed phpbb2 via apt-get tell me where the hell it put my forum files?
[08:29] <_jason> djk_, use rename
[08:29] <ormandj> jnk: and i hate being stuck on windows right now :P
[08:29] <iapx8088> Seveas, it bails out!
[08:29] <jnk> ninnghizidha, shutdown doesn't reboot
[08:29] <shadox> it worked for me
[08:29] <shadox> thnQ !!
[08:29] <Hoxzer> :D jubler is fucking killing
[08:29] <Hoxzer> me
[08:29] <LiGhTeR> someone knows how to get access to an ntfs disk in ubuntu??
[08:29] <jnk> ninnghizidha, (unless you give the -r option)
[08:29] <ninnghizidha> ok, thanks a lot, jnk .. i'll try it :-)
[08:29] <ninnghizidha> ok! :-)
[08:29] <djk_> _jason: i don't really understand the syntax of rename :-/
[08:29] <Hoxzer> like I dunno do I need to install it or just run
[08:29] <djm62> ninnghizidha: sudo telinit 1 ?
[08:29] <Hoxzer> but I dunno how to run it
[08:29] <ninnghizidha> THAT it!
[08:30] <ninnghizidha> thats the command i was looking for, djm62 - thanks a lot
[08:30] <_jason> djk_, you could probably use a for loop too
[08:30] <JDahl> LiGhTeR, you cannot write to NTFS partitions, but mounting them as readonly partitions is quite easy, just google for "ntfs fstab"
[08:30] <djm62> ormandj: what do you think of the jack stuff?
[08:30] <jnk> ormandj, it's good to have portable software, but still I'd rather be locked to a free OS than a proprietary one (all else being equal)
[08:30] <LiGhTeR> i dont want to write to it i just want to read o it =)
[08:30] <LiGhTeR> ok
[08:30] <ormandj> djm62, it worked on linux. it didn't support any of my cool gear, but it supported the basic stuff
[08:30] <djk_> _jason: how would that look like?
[08:31] <B1zz> how about backwards?
[08:31] <B1zz> how you read linux partion in win?
[08:31] <_jason> djk_, example: for i in *; do echo $i; done
[08:31] <djm62> ormandj: I meant in terms of making it easier to write cool apps (reason piece by piece, that sort of thing)
[08:31] <jnk> B1zz, I once used a tool, explore2fs I think it was
[08:31] <ormandj> djm62, well, if jack was portable, it'd be quite nice :)
[08:32] <ormandj> but it's not.
[08:32] <jnk> B1zz, but it won't read reiserfs or other exotic filesystems
[08:32] <iapx8088> Seveas, are you there
[08:32] <eobanb> (reiser is 'exotic'?)
[08:32] <jnk> ormandj, well jack (and ardour btw) run with OS X
[08:32] <ormandj> jnk: by exotic, and reiser, you meant crash prone? :P
[08:32] <_ec> 15.4 wxga 1280*800 horizontal and vertical frequencies?
[08:32] <ormandj> jnk: i know :) but i might as well run logic if i'm running osx :P
[08:33] <ormandj> (and i do)
[08:33] <B1zz> will jnk thanx!
[08:33] <ormandj> _ec, depends on the lcd
[08:33] <jnk> eobanb, compared to ext2/ext3? I think so...
[08:33] <Hoxzer> how do I compile .tar.gz2 files?
[08:33] <eobanb> lol.
[08:33] <_ec> what else should i and you know?
[08:33] <ormandj> Hoxzer, you mean create? tar -cvvfz maybe?
[08:33] <_jason> ubotu, tell Hoxzer about compile
[08:33] <jnk> Hoxzer, so you download source code in a tar.gz or tar.bz2 file right?
[08:33] <yoz> hmm anyone an idea concerning my sound issue?
[08:33] <eobanb> Hoxzer, let's back up a bit..
[08:33] <ztreck> hi, i have a problem installing apache webserver 2.2.0. I extracted it and typed: ./configure when i do that i get an error message: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[08:33] <ztreck>    i don't really understand it and know how to fix it, so i thought you guys would be able to help me
[08:33] <ormandj> hoxzer: man tar; man bzip2
[08:33] <Hoxzer> :D
[08:34] <ormandj> ztreck, install gcc
[08:34] <eobanb> ztreck you need gcc
[08:34] <Hoxzer> I know howto extract it
[08:34] <Seveas> ztreck, delete what you downloaded and install apache2 with synaptic
[08:34] <Hoxzer> but Now I have the folder
[08:34] <_ec> orman,what else should i and you know?
[08:34] <Hoxzer> and make
[08:34] <eobanb> Hoxzer, what are you trying to compile
[08:34] <Hoxzer> make configure
[08:34] <Hoxzer> doesn't work
[08:34] <ztreck> ok, can i get it by typing apt-get install gcc?
[08:34] <eobanb> ztreck, yes
[08:34] <Hoxzer> eoband: jubler
[08:34] <ormandj> _ec, you need to find the lcd you have, and lookup the horizontal/vert refresh rates yourself
[08:34] <ztreck> ok, thank you
[08:34] <Seveas> ztreck, yes, but do not do that
[08:34] <ztreck> ?
[08:34] <Seveas> simply install apache with synaptic or apt-get
[08:34] <cor1y> ah well another failure
[08:34] <eobanb> Hoxzer, i dont know what that is
[08:34] <_ec> i have no information
[08:34] <navarone> ztreck> you can install pache without having to compile yourself
[08:35] <eobanb> it's not in the repository
[08:35] <eobanb> ?
[08:35] <cor1y> so how do I complie the wxwidgets plugin in videloan?
[08:35] <ztreck> ok, i'll try that then
[08:35] <Hoxzer> it has readme but all it says that is that you can run it with command "java -jar Jubler.jar" but folder seems to have no "jubler.jar"
[08:35] <jnk> Hoxzer, you should really read the README and INSTALL files if they exist
[08:35] <ormandj> _ec: then you're screwed. you need to find out the model of the lcd and get the information
[08:35] <ElitePete> anyone here run broodwar on wine? if so do you get the battle.net crash also?
[08:35] <_ec> its a notebook monitor
[08:35] <SAM_theman> it worked!!!!!!
[08:35] <Hoxzer> it is java software
[08:35] <eobanb> i've run the original starcraft with wine very very well...never tried brood war..
[08:35] <SAM_theman> i am on xchat under ubuntu now
[08:35] <Hoxzer> for subtitle editing
[08:35] <ormandj> _ec, then go lookup the notebook specifications
[08:35] <Seveas> SAM_theman, cool :)
[08:36] <iapx8088> mmh it's very strange a source package that fails with the ubuntu stock kernel...
[08:36] <navarone> Hoxzer, I assume you have java installed?
[08:36] <cartesian1984> ElitePete: theres an emulator created solely for the purpose of running windows under linux, its called Win4Lin. I advise you to obtain a copy, its supposed to be substantially better than vmware
[08:36] <djk_> _jason: didn't work, probably because i failed.
[08:36] <_ec> i did it,but there wasnt info about hor ver frequencies,
[08:36] <ormandj> _ec: then you didn't look in the right places. go use google
[08:36] <eobanb> cartesian1984, he wasnt using vmware, he was using wine...
[08:37] <ElitePete> Ok cartesian.
[08:37] <_jason> djk_, did you see how the for loop worked with echo?
[08:37] <SAM_theman> i had sonmthing wrong
[08:37] <jnk> Hoxzer, I suspect you've downloaded the source code, and this readme file is for the binary ("compiled") version
[08:37] <cartesian1984> eobanb: we cad an earlier discussion about vmware, you see
[08:37] <djk_> _jason: yea.
[08:37] <_ec> i googled it, for 3-4 days i am searching:(
[08:37] <jenda_busy> How do you make mplayer stretch videos to fullscreen?
[08:37] <SAM_theman> ok guys io have a boo boo
[08:37] <jnk> jenda_busy, try the option: -vo xv
[08:37] <corresponder> hi
[08:37] <djm62> jenda_busy: F, but you have to use a visual that supports it
[08:37] <corresponder> how to change the firstuser in ubuntu?
[08:37] <ormandj> _ec, well, i have to go now, i'm sorry
[08:37] <ormandj> _ec good luck
[08:37] <eobanb> SAM_theman, why dont you actually explain what it is then
[08:37] <jnk> jenda_busy, you can use -zoom but it's quite slow
[08:37] <_ec> ok,thanks.
[08:37] <navarone> _ec, what are you trying to find out?
[08:37] <_jason> djk_, so what did you try?
[08:38] <ElitePete> anyone here run broodwar on wine? if so do you get the battle.net crash also?
[08:38] <SAM_theman> hold on
[08:38] <SAM_theman> ok here it is
[08:38] <jenda_busy> djm62: visual?
[08:38] <jnk> corresponder, you want another user with the same rights as the first one that's it?
[08:38] <djm62> jenda_busy: the -vo option (or equivalent in preferences)
[08:38] <_ec> navarone,hor and ver frequencies for my 15.4 wxga mon.
[08:38] <maya> quit
[08:38] <navarone> _ec, what brand laptop?
[08:38] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[08:39] <jeroenvrp> quick quistion!?
[08:39] <eobanb> jeroenvrp, what is it
[08:39] <jeroenvrp> how do I disable my networkcard?
[08:39] <djk_> _jason: i don't save history in the konsole :-/
[08:39] <_ec> asus
[08:39] <corresponder> jnk: i want to delete the existing "firstuser" and make a new
[08:39] <cmatheson> jenda_busy: ifdown eth0
[08:39] <SAM_theman> every time i try to play a game any game like Et,aa or even frozen bubles it won't work.I tried your wiki sites and ubuntu forums and still nothing its really pissing me off becuase i need to use Teamspeak to talk to my frineds (i have a project) and it won't work.Only sound effects and movies and music work
[08:39] <Seveas> jeroenvrp, ifdown eth0
[08:39] <paulproteus|lapt> jeroenvrp: System -> Administration -> Networking
[08:39] <paulproteus|lapt> Click the card, then click disable. :)
[08:39] <eobanb> ...assuming eth0 is the network interface
[08:39] <jeroenvrp> sorry, at bootlevel
[08:39] <jeroenvrp> ?
[08:39] <_ec> before i come to ask here, i searched a lot, but found nothing:(
[08:39] <Seveas> jeroenvrp, remove 'auto eth0
[08:39] <paulproteus|lapt> jeroenvrp: In System -> Administration -> Networking , you can uncheck the box for "Enable at startup".
[08:40] <SAM_theman> and its really pissing me off
[08:40] <jnk> corresponder, well first make a new one, and put it in all groups were the first one is (use "groups oldusername", and "adduser newusername groupname") then delete the old one
[08:40] <Seveas> from /etc/network/interfaces
[08:40] <jeroenvrp> sorry I dont have gnome
[08:40] <ztreck> how can i get apache web server with apt-get?
[08:40] <paulproteus|lapt> jeroenvrp: Then edit /etc/network/interfaces like Seveas said.
[08:40] <corresponder> thanx
[08:40] <_jason> djk_, it should work, you probably just have syntax wrong somewhere... you're trying to rename several files right?  just take the time to read the man to rename and read man perlrequick too
[08:40] <Seveas> ztreck, apt-get install apache2
[08:40] <jeroenvrp> Seveas: ok, I try that
[08:40] <ztreck> ok, thanks
[08:40] <jenda_busy> cmatheson:what does that have to do with it?
[08:40] <djk_> _jason: yea
[08:40] <paulproteus|lapt> ztreck: Try searching next time: apt-cache search apache
[08:40] <eobanb> or see packages.ubuntu.com
[08:41] <ProN00b> i want to delete all files beginning with --- "rm -rf ---*" doesn't work
[08:41] <Seveas> ProN00b, rm -rf -- ---*
[08:41] <jeroenvrp> Seveas: auto eth0 is not there
[08:41] <ztreck> i tryed to search at apt-get.org but i didn't find anything that looked to be the webserver
[08:41] <jeroenvrp> Seveas: only auto lo
[08:41] <cmatheson> jenda_busy: sorry it was the wrong nick mwahahahaha
[08:41] <jenda_busy> cmatheson: OK :)
[08:41] <Tarantulafudge> Hey guys, I'm having trouble trying to figure out how to use Extra Keyboard LED's. You can find an Image of my keyboard @ http://heifer.ath.cx/000_0035.JPG At the top right of the keyboard next to the word "Messages". How do I use this light for general purposes in linux?
[08:42] <jeroenvrp> Seveas: I have 'map eth0' in there
[08:42] <ElitePete> anyone here run broodwar on wine? if so do you get the battle.net crash also?
[08:42] <cmatheson> jenda_busy: i'm a little too zealous w/ my tab-completion
[08:42] <jnk> corresponder, (use "deluser" to remove the old user)
[08:42] <corresponder> jnk: how to give the new user all the groups?
[08:42] <eobanb> ztreck, do not use apt-get.org packages
[08:42] <Seveas> jeroenvrp, then it's not enabled on boot
[08:42] <corresponder> ah ,k
[08:42] <jeroenvrp> Seveas: yes it is
[08:42] <corresponder> cause my "new" user exists at all
[08:42] <eobanb> ElitePete, can you stop asking that
[08:42] <ElitePete> no..
[08:42] <eobanb> try in #wine or something
[08:42] <Seveas> jeroenvrp, then you installed some weird package - which one?
[08:43] <jenda_busy> cmatheson: Happens all the time :D
[08:43] <renatosansevero> how may I get php 5 in ubuntu?
[08:43] <EasterSunshine> when i add the line Virtual 2048 1536 i get big errors with the screen not refreshing until i move my mouse there. anyone know why?
[08:43] <SAM_theman> here we go take a look at this http://pastebin.com/468155
[08:43] <EasterSunshine> to xorg.conf, that is
[08:43] <chapium> can ubuntu be installed without a cdrom
[08:43] <jnk> corresponder, but first you must create a new user right
[08:43] <jeroenvrp> Seveas: actually deactivating DHCP will also be OK
[08:44] <Seveas> jeroenvrp, first explain how you activated it
[08:44] <ztreck> when i install apache by typing "apt-get install apache2" where in my file system can i find it?
[08:44] <paulproteus|lapt> ztreck: dpkg -S apache2
[08:44] <luciano_> hi, I'm new to Ubuntu, can anyone help me?
[08:44] <paulproteus|lapt> dpkg -L apache2 , I mean.
[08:44] <eobanb> ztreck, apt will set up apache to start at boot
[08:44] <_jason> luciano_, just ask
[08:44] <ztreck> ok
[08:44] <corresponder> so i have to delte the existing one?
[08:44] <Seveas> tell luciano_ about anyone
[08:44] <ztreck> but where is the httpd config file
[08:44] <paulproteus|lapt> !tell paulproteus|lapt about anyoone
[08:44] <renatosansevero> /say $ip
[08:44] <corresponder> the superuser should have the name which one user already has
[08:45] <Seveas> ztreck, /etc/apache2
[08:45] <ztreck> ok
[08:45] <jeroenvrp> Seveas: my network is started at boot up
[08:45] <_ec> asus a6vc with 15.4 wxga 1280*800 res, normally works @ 60hz on windoze.what should be horizontal and vertical frequencies to configure the monitor for linux.
[08:45] <paulproteus|lapt> _ec: Automatic should figure it out okay....
[08:45] <luciano_> I've installed Ubuntu 5.10 but it didn't asked me for a root password, only created a user, and now I don't know how to become root
[08:45] <ilba7r> !thinkpad
[08:45] <ubotu> ilba7r: I don't know
[08:45] <ilba7r> !info thinkpad
[08:45] <_ec> it didnt.:(
[08:45] <_jason> ubotu, tell luciano_  about root
[08:45] <jnk> corresponder, let's say your first user is Alice, and you already have Bob and you want to delete Alice, and make Bob the "first user" ok? (if Bob doesn't exist, just do: adduser Bob)
[08:45] <rickest> luciano_: search ubuntu's wiki for 'sudo'
[08:45] <jenda_busy> djm62: thanks - helped :)
[08:46] <corresponder> k
[08:46] <StarKruzr> can anyone who has installed phpbb2 via apt-get tell me where the hell it put my forum files?
[08:46] <corresponder> he exists
[08:46] <paulproteus|lapt> StarKruzr: dpkg -L {packagename}
[08:46] <corresponder> so i have to modificate him
[08:46] <StarKruzr> paulproteus|lapt: thank you.
[08:46] <chapium> Can ubuntu be installed without a cdrom?
[08:46] <okih> How can I access windows files over the network? I can see the computers, but the protected folders ask for a username, domain, and password. On windows I only need to supply a password.
[08:46] <Seveas> chapium, yes, via the network
[08:46] <chapium> how?
[08:47] <luciano_> are you saying that you cannot login as root?
[08:47] <jnk> corresponder, then you'd type "groups Alice" to see what groups you need to add to Bob. See "man groups". Then you must add Bob to those groups with the adduser command. See "man adduser". You can do something nasty like: "for i in `groups Alice`; do adduser Bob $i; done"
[08:47] <cmatheson> okih: that's because you're already logged into your computer w/ your username/domain
[08:47] <Seveas> okih, username: the username on the win machine, domain: the workgroup of the win machine
[08:47] <cmatheson> okih: it's just what you would usually use for that
[08:47] <chapium> i saw one howto on ubuntu's website, but it was an extremely specific case
[08:47] <Seveas> luciano_, indeed and that is a good thing
[08:47] <corresponder> k
[08:47] <okih> Ok, I'll try it.
[08:47] <Seveas> !tell luciano_ about root
[08:47] <skynetpro> Hi
[08:47] <ztreck> i can't find my document root in httpd.config, anyone that can tell me where it is?
[08:47] <Seveas> luciano_, read what ubotu sent you
[08:47] <skynetpro> Can anybody help me? I have one big broblem with ubuntu 5.10
[08:48] <paulproteus|lapt> !tell skynetpro about anyone
[08:48] <Seveas> ztreck, read some documentation, we;re not here to answer all such simple questions that can be found in the basic docs
[08:48] <EasterSunshine> anyone has experience with virtual resolutions in xorg?
[08:48] <paulproteus|lapt> ztreck: For Apache2, look through conf.d and sites.d
[08:48] <SAM_theman> Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
[08:48] <SAM_theman>  ?
[08:48] <jnk> !tell jnk about anyone
[08:48] <jeroenvrp> ok I disabled dhcp and now the system is booting up in one run
[08:48] <ztreck> well, thanks for all the help
[08:48] <skynetpro> The "ghemical" package in the multiverse is broken: it crash with runtime error!
[08:48] <Hoxzer> what player can show me time as frames?
[08:48] <okih> Sorry, I'm still sort of lost. Which username?
[08:48] <luciano_> Ok, then. Thanks a lot. I'm used to have a root account. I've been using Debian
[08:48] <cmatheson> okih: just your windows username
[08:48] <Seveas> skynetpro, file a bug in malone
[08:49] <luciano_> So, what happend if I try to do "su" ?
[08:49] <okih> I have multiple user accounts though.
[08:49] <cmatheson> luciano_: won't work if you don't have root
[08:49] <cartesian1984> you know, Hilter logged in as root
[08:49] <cmatheson> okih: pick one
[08:49] <_jason> luciano_,  "authentication failure"
[08:49] <okih> And I use the password for that user's login?
[08:49] <cmatheson> okih: it's logging you into the windows network it's just as if you were logging into a windoze box normally
[08:49] <jnk> SAM_theman, what's your locale? (it's not a big problem anyway)
[08:49] <skynetpro> Seveas: and what can i do?
[08:49] <okih> Ok
[08:49] <SAM_theman> o
[08:49] <SAM_theman> ok
[08:50] <Seveas> skynetpro, file a bug in malone
[08:50] <maihem> luciano_: do `sudo -i` for `su - root` or `sudo bash` for approximately `su root`
[08:50] <SAM_theman> i was just installing Tc-Elite a mod for ET
[08:50] <Seveas> maihem, sudo -s, not sudo bash
[08:50] <maihem> okay, sudo bash works here
[08:50] <Seveas> maihem, sudo -s is shorter :)
[08:51] <maihem> oh yeah, heh, I suppose it guarantees you get that root's chosen shell too
[08:51] <jnk> maihem, there's "sudo -s" actually
[08:51] <Seveas> that, and if people get funky with /etc/sudoers sudo -s may work and sudo bash not
[08:51] <jnk> (basically the same)
[08:51] <renatosansevero> how do i see my own ip address ? I tried with "ifconfig" but it only show network ip and not the external one.
[08:51] <Seveas> renatosansevero, ww.whatismyip.com
[08:51] <cmatheson> renatosansevero: www.whatismyip.org
[08:52] <luciano_> Ok. Thanks a lot everyone. It's the first time a ask on a channel and someone answer so quickly and gently. Thanks. Bye
[08:52] <rickest> renatosansevero: http://whatismyip.org
[08:52] <renatosansevero> thanks all
[08:52] <DJLinX> hello when ppl go to my apache server it brings up my routers page... if i set up a proxy server with my isp with this make it so it can get thru to my comp
[08:52] <renatosansevero> are there other way to discover? i mean...without you find it by internet ?
[08:52] <Seveas> no
[08:53] <jnk> DJLinX, you should configure your router to forward port 80 to your computer
[08:53] <Rawplayer> lol
[08:53] <djm62> renatosansevero: if you log into another server, you can find out what IP you came from
[08:53] <okih> Still not working. I entered my username and password that I use on windows and I cannot log in.
[08:53] <cmatheson> renatosansevero: you could just `wget http://www.whatismyip.org` if you don't want to fire up a browser (and then make a script to email it to you periodically or put it in afile or whatever)
[08:53] <DJLinX> jnk alright i was hopin i wouldn't have to do that tho
[08:54] <eobanb> ....
[08:54] <djm62> cmatheson: good call!
[08:54] <renatosansevero> thanks
[08:54] <cmatheson> djm62: :)
[08:54] <maihem> Is it possible to make the bot here look for the word 'su' and if it has been, say, five minutes since su was last seen, tell the speaker about su? That would save a lot of time on what i'd imagine is a very common discussion
[08:55] <jnk> maihem, you can configure your irc client to do that
[08:55] <Seveas> maihem, but if you do that, rest assured that you are promptly kicked
[08:55] <jnk> maihem, ah you mean tell the one who asked
[08:56] <jnk> maihem, yeah bad idea
[08:56] <Seveas> !help
[08:56] <jesseman_> cmatheson: that is awesome for ip. you can even 'cat index.html' after the download to see the IP in terminal
[08:56] <maihem> but I wouldn't want to cause flamage... yeah, I'd be kicked
[08:56] <eobanb> i see maihem's point....be a nice mechanism for ubotu
[08:56] <Seveas> !seen cafuego
[08:56] <Bateau_> hey! i just mounted a .img file. how can i play it like it was a DVD?
[08:56] <ubotu> cafuego <n=cafuego@bright.livelamp.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 22h 26m 39s ago, saying: 'gnome-session'.
[08:57] <eobanb> as in, if no one else answers the question, ubotu does the best it can
[08:57] <cmatheson> jesseman_: yeah, it works pretty good... i had a cronjob for a long time that would check every hour and if the ip had changed it would mail it to me gmail account... it worked pretty good
[08:57] <_jason> eobanb, how would you differentiate a new user asking about sudo from someone having other problems with sudo
[08:58] <eobanb> i dont know :P i'm not the one that thought of the idea
[08:58] <navarone> _jason I would think I person having problems would explain the situation clearly
[08:58] <maihem> navarone, he means how do you get a bot to tell what the problem is
[08:58] <_jason> navarone, yeah but you would have to get ubotu to understand the differences
[08:58] <eobanb> no, as in, how would ubotu distinguish
[08:59] <chapium> hmm, i think it might be easier for me to go buy a new cdrom/rw instead of doing a net install
[08:59] <Bateau_> i just mounted a .img file. how can i play it like it was a DVD?
[08:59] <eobanb> right.
[08:59] <navarone> _jason...okay...didn't ralize you were talking about bot responses
[08:59] <jnk> Bateau_, tell your player to play the mount location
[08:59] <eobanb> Bateau_, open the video_ts folder in your player of choicec
[08:59] <rickest> because someone unfamiliar with sudo will keep asking about root.  someone with sudo problems will keep asking about sudo?
[08:59] <Bateau_> what player is best?
[08:59] <_jason> Bateau_, the one that works for you... I like mplayer
[08:59] <SAM_theman> lol
[08:59] <eobanb> i like vlc, but totem, xine, etc will work too if you have libdvdcss or whatever it is
[08:59] <maihem> maybe if you look for a person mentioning su and root within a few minutes of each other?
[09:00] <chapium> Bateau_, Xine is good to, as is VLC... experiment a littlle
[09:00] <renatosansevero> are there a way to kill a process in /usr/local/bin ?
[09:00] <Delvien> what is the command in terminal to get nautilus to open up on a specific FOLDER?
[09:00] <jnk> yeah xine is find for DVDs
[09:00] <eobanb> renatosansevero, with kill or killall
[09:00] <maihem> sure you'd get some false positives and some false negatives, but how much of the time?
[09:00] <eobanb> nautilus /path/
[09:01] <renatosansevero> kill and killall  doesn't work
[09:01] <Jell-O-Fishi> hi people
[09:01] <eobanb> renatosansevero, what's the error?
[09:01] <renatosansevero> but my process is still crashed
[09:01] <djm62> renatosansevero: kill -9 ?
[09:01] <_jason> renatosansevero, what are you trying to kill
[09:01] <djm62> after kill -9 I'm lost
[09:01] <renatosansevero> amsn
[09:01] <eobanb> if it's an suid 0 process you need sudo
[09:01] <eobanb> oh
[09:01] <goyo1> hola
[09:01] <eobanb> what's the process ID?
[09:01] <renatosansevero> renato    8052  2.4  4.2  34420 21880 ?        Sl   17:10   1:15 wish /usr/local/bin/amsn
[09:02] <eobanb> kill 8052
[09:02] <_jason> renatosansevero, yeah try kill -9 as someone suggested
[09:02] <renatosansevero> eobanb thanks :)
[09:02] <renatosansevero> eobanb it worked fine
[09:02] <Delvien> what is the command in terminal to get nautilus to open up on a specific FOLDER?
[09:02] <renatosansevero> : )
[09:02] <Bateau_> chapium: it doesent work :( "error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device"
[09:02] <SAM_theman> Xlib:  extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:03] <Seveas> Delvien, someone just answered that
[09:03] <okih> I'm trying to gain access to files over my windows network. When I try to open a folder, I am prompted for a Username, Domain, and Password. I give a username and password found on the machine running windows. I enter the correct domain. I cannot gain access though. When accessing the folders from another windows machine I need to give another sharing password. Do I need to install something special so I can access the files on my windows net
[09:03] <okih> work from linux?
[09:03] <Delvien> Seveas ah sorry , didnt see it
[09:04] <SAM_theman> open /dev/[sound/] dsp: No such file or directory
[09:04] <SAM_theman> Xlib:  extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:04] <SAM_theman>  ?
[09:04] <flodine> ive been asking for sometime now how to get artwiz font working in breezy what gives they work perfect in hoary.HELP
[09:04] <SAM_theman> whats going on?
[09:04] <SAM_theman> i went here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44753&highlight=teamspeak no luck
[09:04] <Delvien> Seveas im trying to use STARTERBAR with gdesklets to open up nautilus to my mounted HDD, but it wont work,
[09:04] <djm62> SAM_theman: you're missing some proprietary/nonstandard bit of X (possibly nonfree/nvidia only)
[09:04] <SAM_theman> i went here 2 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83028&page=2 no luck
[09:05] <oumar> salut
[09:05] <flodine> all you smart guys no one can help with fonts wow
[09:05] <Delvien> seveas any idea?
[09:06] <renatosansevero> hey people.. i got my own IP in that page http://whatismyip.org/  ...after this, i tried to use a command with NMAP and it says "the host seens to be down"
[09:06] <Seveas> Delvien, nautilus --no-desktop /path/
[09:06] <SAM_theman> wait did you open your ports?
[09:06] <Seveas> Delvien, or simply: /path/
[09:06] <djm62> renatosansevero: you're not responding to ping
[09:06] <rickest> renatosansevero: your router is probably blocking everything nmap is looking for (which means it's probably working correctly)
[09:06] <Delvien> Seveas what can i identify it as ? application?
[09:07] <chapium> Bateau_, ?
[09:07] <chapium> Bateau_, xine?
[09:07] <SAM_theman> Mail man's here
[09:07] <Bateau_> i got the error trying to play one of the vob files. in mplayer
[09:07] <_jason> flodine, search the forums.  I setup artwiz the otherday after flodine you could try searching a little first :)  I did this yesterday but it messed up my firefox fonts, maybe you'll have better luck: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75083&highlight=artwiz+font
[09:07] <Delvien> seveas nm i got it , thanks bro
[09:07] <renatosansevero> rickest  how can I set my router to allow NMAP
[09:07] <jnk> renatosansevero, you can use the -P0 option with nmap
[09:07] <_jason> flodine, ignore my lack of backspacing and read the link lol
[09:08] <jnk> renatosansevero, by default nmap won't scan hosts that don't respond to ping
[09:08] <renatosansevero> ok
[09:08] <mp3guy> java -version throws up gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9), how do i change it to j2re1.5?
[09:08] <_jason> ubotu, tell mp3guy about multijava
[09:08] <renatosansevero> but now.. how can i start a connection with SSH without respond to requests
[09:08] <flodine> _jason are you on gnome
[09:09] <_jason> flodine, yes
[09:09] <jnk> renatosansevero, but keep in mind that if there's a firewall between the computer and the scanner, the scanner will actually scan the firewall (and only see the computer where the firewall redirects to the computer)
[09:09] <mp3guy> thanks _jason
[09:09] <jnk> renatosansevero, what do you mean respond to requests?
[09:09] <flodine> _jason ok im not they wont work with aterm or eterm
[09:09] <ubuntu> hey all I got ubuntu running on a p3 450 MGhz and 384 mb sd ram :) with no harddrive using live cd of 5.10 lol
[09:09] <djm62> renatosansevero: you need to use port forwarding
[09:10] <renatosansevero> jnk I have a router modem here...
[09:10] <renatosansevero> djm62 how so?
[09:10] <_jason> flodine, I don't know, they were giving me too much problems to tell you the truth so I just removed them
[09:10] <jnk> renatosansevero, you need to forward port 22 to your computer
[09:10] <SAM_theman> back
[09:10] <renatosansevero> it's already opened
[09:10] <SAM_theman> junk mail
[09:11] <flodine> _jason ok thxs
[09:11] <jnk> renatosansevero, does your router forward the port to your computer?
[09:11] <renatosansevero> jnk it's working fine with localhost on port 22
[09:11] <jenda_busy> One more prob with mplayer: It says New_Face failed... and something about a font every time I resize or start playback
[09:11] <Bateau_> chapium: i just got it working, somewhat. in totem and xine, i got sound. but not picture.
[09:11] <renatosansevero> jnk : i don't know.. how can i know that?
[09:11] <cold> hmm anyone know how to disable ubuntu random stack?
[09:11] <djm62> renatosansevero: you need to tell the router that any requests for port 22 get forwarded to to your internal IP
[09:11] <_jason> jenda_busy, did you install mplayer-fonts
[09:11] <jnk> renatosansevero, check the router configuration.. or try to connect by ssh from outside your local network
[09:12] <SAM_theman> renatosanservo can i pm u?
[09:12] <renatosansevero> djm62 ok. i got. i'll check it ..
[09:12] <jenda_busy> _jason: Now I did... thx
[09:12] <renatosansevero> SAM_theman   ????
[09:12] <renatosansevero> SAM_theman   pm ????
[09:13] <jnk> just do it
[09:13] <SAM_theman> pm=Private Message
[09:13] <SAM_theman> Yes Or No
[09:13] <renatosansevero> yes
[09:14] <B1zz> how can i get ubuntu to load my wireless card at startup? everytime i reboot i have to modprobe ndiswrapper
[09:14] <jnk> B1zz, add the module name to /etc/modules
[09:14] <djm62> B1zz: add ndiwrapper to /etc/modules
[09:14] <rickest> modules.conf?
[09:14] <SAM_theman> umm...guys
[09:14] <SAM_theman> /dev/dsp: Input/output error
[09:15] <SAM_theman> ubotu: tell SAM_theman alsa
[09:15] <rickest> !alsa
[09:15] <ubotu> methinks alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[09:15] <SAM_theman> ubotu: tell SAM_theman how to fix this problem /dev/dsp: Input/output error
[09:16] <SAM_theman> this better work
[09:16] <SAM_theman> and thats a threat :D
[09:16] <SAM_theman> j/k
[09:17] <jahshua> i just tried to dl firefox for kubuntu i used Ark to open it..my desktop resized with a black border at the top and the right .. how can i set it back?
[09:17] <Bateau_> xine says something about dvd:/. where can i find this dir? so that i can mount a .img file to it.
[09:17] <_jason> ubotu, alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[09:17] <ubotu> ...but alsa is already something else...
[09:17] <_jason> ubotu, no alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[09:17] <ubotu> okay, _jason
[09:18] <Madeye> How's dapper now? is it stable in term of development stability ?
[09:18] <jenda_busy> _jason: use /msg ubotu :)
[09:19] <SAM_theman> brb ok it says i have to restart
[09:19] <_jason> jenda_busy, :)
[09:20] <renatosansevero> jnk : I found here, IP routing TABLE
[09:20] <renatosansevero> jnk : The information it shows Destination
[09:20] <renatosansevero> 
[09:20] <renatosansevero> Label
[09:20] <renatosansevero> 
[09:20] <renatosansevero> Gateway
[09:20] <renatosansevero> 
[09:20] <renatosansevero> Intf
[09:20] <renatosansevero> 
[09:20] <renatosansevero> Metric
[09:20] <_jason> renatosansevero, use pastebin
[09:21] <renatosansevero> _jason how do I use this?
[09:22] <_jason> !pastebin
[09:22] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:22] <renatosansevero> !pastebin
[09:22] <nunux> hi everyone
[09:22] <nunux> i'm noob on ubuntu
[09:22] <_jason> renatosansevero, just go to that site, paste what you want and then just paste the URL here
[09:22] <boldstrike> question: how can i configure my pppoe connection to start automatically when i boot up ubuntu?
[09:23] <kangpeh> How come linspire-clear won't compile ?
[09:23] <renatosansevero> ok
[09:23] <orchid> hi
[09:23] <Seveas> kangpeh, because this isn't linspire
[09:23] <flodine> anyone still on hoary
[09:23] <nunux> my question is how i install enemy territory game on ubuntu?
[09:23] <orchid> how can i add the kernel source and headers to my ubuntu?
[09:23] <Blissex> nunux: easily.
[09:23] <kangpeh> seveas: i really like the theme though
[09:24] <sethk> Seveas, that definitely might have something to do with why linspire-clear won't compile.  :)
[09:24] <Seveas> orchid, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) linux-source-2.6.12
[09:24] <nunux> really?
[09:24] <SAM_theman> same shit
[09:25] <orchid> Seveas, ok, lets see
[09:25] <SAM_theman> sound don't work for games only music and movies and the themes
[09:25] <Kyynara> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 <-- is there a way I don't need to restart my computer
[09:26] <boldstrike> hello? does anyone know how to configure a pppoe connection?
[09:26] <Kyynara> is there some way I can reboot my soundsettings?
[09:26] <nunux> they are a way to log in root here?
[09:26] <Seveas> !tell boldstrike about pppoe
[09:27] <boldstrike> very cool...
[09:27] <SAM_theman> !tell SAM_theman about alsa
[09:27] <orchid> Guys, if I want to add any application
[09:27] <teknoprep> YAY
[09:27] <orchid> i have to look always for the .deb?
[09:27] <_jason> ubotu, tell orchid about synaptic
[09:28] <DUNFreak> God this is annoying. I installed Windows XP with VMWare, and when it accessed my HDD it can read the NTFS partition on it... But PartitionMagic reads the whole drive as "BAD", and unix software like qtparted and gparted are unable to resize the partition or convert it in any way shape or form. Very annoying and unnerving, this is!
[09:28] <Seveas> orchid, no
[09:28] <Seveas> orchid, you look in synaptic for the application and click install
[09:28] <Seveas> no need for manual downloading
[09:28] <benplaut> bye everyone... off to my LUG meeting :)
[09:28] <barosl> how can i disable moving mouse to center when changing window in E17?
[09:29] <Alex> Seveas: THought that Ubuntu was moving away from synaptic to that other weird thing?
[09:29] <Seveas> gnome-app-install
[09:29] <Seveas> both will be available
[09:29] <bobcat> hi all!  does anyone have experience with deploying a jsp on a geronimo app server
[09:29] <navarone> DUNfreak> I have probs with Partitionmagic 7 myself. Drive is fine but it won't play ball when trying to edit drives...partitions table errors...and bad geometry...but no worries...:)
[09:30] <navarone> DUNFreak, does any of the error checking utilities in Windows fix any errors?
[09:30] <DUNFreak> navarone, the trouble is that I am unable to do anything with the drive from linux either. From what I've gathered, Gparted with ntfstools is supposed to be able to resize the partition, or even (which would be best) convert it to FAT32... but with no luck, it keeps telling me that I'm "Trying to apply operations on a busy device"
[09:31] <DUNFreak> navarone, PQMagic seems to "fix" partition table errors but that doesn't change anything at all
[09:31] <nunux> i have a .run file to install
[09:32] <DUNFreak> PQMagic doesn't even let me run "Check for Errors"
[09:32] <henriksson> cheers
[09:32] <SAM_theman> IT WORKS
[09:32] <navarone> DUNFreak, hmmm...have not tried any partition editing in Linux...but my system disk (windows) is fat32 w/Win2k so the disk checking utils do not work anyway.  PM7 gives me errors and I think it may have to do with previous Mandrake install that hosed the table
[09:32] <SAM_theman> Fuking Works
[09:32] <SAM_theman> AA sound works and Et
[09:32] <nunux> i make this command: nunux@ubuntu:~$ sudo /home/nunux/Desktop/et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[09:33] <SAM_theman> u play ET to?'
[09:33] <poningru> what?
[09:33] <eobanb> nunux, and then what
[09:33] <nunux> yeah but i wanna make it work on ubuntu
[09:33] <DUNFreak> navarone, for me I think it's Ubuntu that messed something up
[09:33] <SAM_theman> i have it working
[09:33] <nunux> but error of e/s
[09:33] <eobanb> nunux, what is the error
[09:33] <SAM_theman> and Americasarmys
[09:33] <navarone> DUNFreak,  PM7 refuses to even start...I get error at startup
[09:33] <poningru> anyone know how to create a exact copy of a hard drive
[09:34] <poningru> down to the mbr?
[09:34] <eobanb> dd should do it.
[09:34] <navarone> DUNFreak, I had no prob with ubuntu...but I installed on brand new drive
[09:34] <poningru> eobanb: dd?
[09:34] <viktor> hi all =)
[09:34] <eobanb> man dd
[09:34] <DUNFreak> navarone, that seemed to be the case prior to me messing around with "TestDisk" , but since I played around with it at some point it seems to have partially helped
[09:34] <poningru> k
[09:34] <viktor> someone knows how to get my surrond system to work in ubuntu ??
[09:34] <viktor> i got a av8 motherboard =9
[09:34] <nunux> that my error: Impossible d'ouvrir le fichier /home/nunux/Desktop/et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[09:35] <DUNFreak> navarone, my drive is 2 years old, 60 gigs. If I had another one to write data to I'd simply format and forget, but in this case I don't want to lose 40 gigs of data, including websites and software that are rather hard to find.
[09:35] <nunux> Erreur d'E/S
[09:35] <navarone> viktor, try "alsamixer" in terminal and see if all speakers are unmuted
[09:35] <nunux> sry my ubuntu is french
[09:35] <viktor> k
[09:35] <eobanb> cannot open file...I/O error
[09:35] <eobanb> hum.
[09:35] <DUNFreak> navarone, besides if I could only resize it it would be fine, I'd create a fat32 and then transfer, resize again and transfer  again, etc...
[09:36] <LjL> nunux: does "ls -l /home/nunux/Desktop/et-linux-2.60.x86.run" print anything at all?
[09:36] <LjL> nunux: and if it does, try "chmod +x /home/nunux/Desktop/et-linux-2.60.x86.run", or "sudo chmod +x /home/nunux/Desktop/et-linux-2.60.x86.run"
[09:37] <ramblingturtle> hello everybody
[09:37] <navarone> DUNFreak, what hosed my mandrake install I suspect was not defragging windows first and the resize left remnants of windows on Mandrake's new partition. I think that's what freaked windows/PM7 out. I now use the mandrake partition as a file transfer between os's and for mp3 p2p
[09:37] <SAM_theman> yo
[09:37] <avatar_> if i were to install windows on my machine, after linux, is there an easy way (perhaps via a live ubuntu cd) to restore the grub boot sector?
[09:38] <DUNFreak> navarone, I actually had Windows before, but I just removed the partition, then used the free space to install Ubuntu. I dont have windows anymore except in vmware :P
[09:38] <ramblingturtle> i have a quick question. I am looking for a program that is similar to cool edit pro that will work with ubuntu. Really we just need to be able to edit cuss words out of tracks for a radio show. Any suggestions would be appericated
[09:38] <DUNFreak> 60 gigs just ain't enough
[09:38] <navarone> DUNFreak, for the new disk and ubuntu I partitioned drive with manufacturers utils and left space for ubuntu to use...was easiest way for me...
[09:38] <viktor> how do i know if they are muted or not ?
[09:39] <wolki> hi!
[09:39] <eobanb> hi.
[09:39] <_jason> ramblingturtle, audacity, but you'll need to killall esd for it to start if you use esd (doesn't play nice with esd)
[09:39] <BenUrban> is there a way to convert an ebuild to a deb?
[09:39] <bimberi> avatar_: not sure if "easy" is the word but there is this -  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:39] <navarone> viktor...the volumes things should be coloured at least partway up...if no colour then they are muted/lowered
[09:40] <BenUrban> bimberi: sounds like you need a tinyurl :P
[09:40] <viktor> well i have coloret all of them (but hey weren't colored when i entered the prog)
[09:40] <navarone> viktor, use arrow keys to move between them and up/down arrows to raise/lower
[09:40] <avatar_> bimberi: chrooting is easy enough, thanks
[09:40] <bimberi> BenUrban: lol, it's a bit of an essay innit  :)
[09:40] <bimberi> avatar_: np :)
[09:40] <ramblingturtle> jason, thank you and I will look into that more the problem I have had with audacity is turning the tracks into mp3 format when I am done using the program but I know i just have to look into that a little bit further
[09:41] <navarone> viktor try again with the sound
[09:41] <BenUrban> !ebuild
[09:41] <ubotu> BenUrban: No idea
[09:41] <BenUrban> heh, thought not
[09:41] <viktor> i have done that but whn i look on surroundut says [off] 
[09:41] <BenUrban> !deb authoring
[09:41] <ubotu> Wish i knew, BenUrban
[09:41] <BenUrban> !deb
[09:41] <ubotu> To install a deb: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[09:41] <BenUrban> ...
[09:41] <bimberi> !listvals ebuild
[09:41] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'ebuild' by value returned no results.
[09:41] <bimberi> :(
[09:41] <jahshua> anyone ?
[09:41] <jahshua> i just tried to dl firefox for kubuntu i used Ark to open it..my desktop resized with a black border at the top and the right .. how can i set it back?
[09:41] <BenUrban> !gentoo
[09:41] <ubotu> BenUrban: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:41] <BenUrban> lol
[09:42] <_jason> ben_d, you can message ubotu and he'll answer you privately :)
[09:42] <_jason> BenUrban, ^
[09:42] <sarkar112> !rpm
[09:42] <ubotu> hmm... rpm is the Redhat Package Management file. Very similar to Debians DEB files, but require alien to install. ask me about !alien
[09:42] <BenUrban> _jason: didn't expect to have to pester the bot that much
[09:42] <sarkar112> !alien
[09:42] <ubotu> methinks alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[09:42] <viktor> but alot of the speakers says off :S:S
[09:42] <viktor> navarone al to of the speakers is off :(:(
[09:42] <sarkar112> !gaim
[09:42] <ubotu> I guess gaim is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GaimHowto/
[09:43] <sarkar112> !root
[09:43] <ubotu> rumour has it, root is rumour has it, that root is disabled in Ubuntu, actually this means there is no password set for the root account, use sudo when you need admin access, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:43] <shadeofgrey> gimp in the house
[09:43] <shadeofgrey> what up folks?
[09:44] <ximatr> !kernel
[09:44] <Bateau_> ok, i just connected a projector to my laptop. and i want to play a movie, exept on the projector the movie player gets only a blue screen. but when i have picture on my laptop screen the movie plays just fine. what can i do to make it work?
[09:44] <poningru> ubotu: forget root
[09:44] <ubotu> i forgot root, poningru
[09:44] <Mateo_> yop all :)
[09:45] <Voodoo_Vibe> Can anyone help me getting my soundblaster audigy 4 to work??
[09:45] <zardoz> Hello - I really need some help conerting my files to UTF-8 - nothing works...
[09:45] <poningru> ubotu: root is <reply> disabled in Ubuntu, actually this means there is no password set for the root account, use sudo when you need admin access, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:45] <ubotu> poningru: okay
[09:45] <ProN00b> Bateau_, i have the same problem, my second screen doesn't support overlay
[09:45] <poningru> ubotu: root
[09:45] <ubotu> disabled in Ubuntu, actually this means there is no password set for the root account, use sudo when you need admin access, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:45] <Blissex> Bateau_: thats a bit unlucky, it means that the video overlay is not working on the output you are using.
[09:45] <Seveas> poningru, wth are you doing?
[09:45] <ProN00b> Bateau_, what are you using to play the video ?
[09:45] <Seveas> sudo
[09:45] <ProN00b> Blissex, any idea on how to get it working ?
[09:45] <Bateau_> ProN00b: Xine
[09:45] <Seveas> !sudo
[09:45] <ubotu> I heard sudo is the command to get superuser privileges, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:46] <BenUrban> Seveas: ooh you're around
[09:46] <Blissex> Bateau_: that can have several causes. However, at thre cost of a hufe slowdown, use the 'X11' output surface method.
[09:46] <Seveas> !forget root
[09:46] <ubotu> Seveas: i forgot root
[09:46] <Seveas> !forget sudo
[09:46] <ubotu> i forgot sudo, Seveas
[09:46] <Seveas> !sudo is <reply> see root
[09:46] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[09:46] <Blissex> Bateau_: odds are that you are using the projector as a secondary screen and your card does not support video overlays on the secondary.
[09:46] <eobanb> !sudo
[09:46] <ubotu> see root
[09:46] <henriksson> vmPlayer rocks
[09:46] <eobanb> !root
[09:46] <ubotu> Wish i knew, eobanb
[09:46] <poningru> wtf
[09:46] <viktor> someone knows how to put on a speaker ?? =)
[09:46] <poningru> sorry
[09:46] <BenUrban> Seveas: i found why my 3d acceleration wasn't working...i needed to upgrade my kernel
[09:46] <poningru> hold on
[09:47] <zardoz> utf8-migration-tool does not work for me, and convmv changes all my Danish characters to  and other weird characters
[09:47] <Seveas> !root is <reply> The root password by default is disabled in Ubuntu. You can use sudo to get super user (root) privileges. For more information, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:47] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[09:47] <ProN00b> Bateau_, sorry, i dunno how to do it with xine, but you can use mplayer -vo x11 -zoom -xineramascreen 1 with those parameters to play it on the second screen
[09:47] <Seveas> !lock root
[09:47] <ubotu> Seveas: locking factoid root
[09:47] <Seveas> !lock sudo
[09:47] <ubotu> Seveas: locking factoid sudo
[09:47] <eobanb> thank you seveas....
[09:47] <viktor> only 2 of my speakers are on of my 6 possible :P
[09:47] <eobanb> we dont need that getting fucked up by people
[09:47] <BenUrban> Seveas: now the opengl portion of aleph one is blank
[09:47] <poningru> jeez I was working on it
[09:47] <BenUrban> Seveas: any ideas?
[09:47] <Voodoo_Vibe> Can anyone help me getting my soundblaster audigy 4 to work??
[09:47] <edelberg> hi all
[09:48] <eobanb> poningru, what was wrong with it before
[09:48] <shadeofgrey> i dunno if audigy is supported
[09:48] <BenUrban> eobanb: rumour has it, root is rumour has it, that root is disabled in Ubuntu..
[09:48] <Seveas> BenUrban, given that I don't have the slightest clue what aleph one is: no
[09:48] <eobanb> oh, oh.
[09:48] <eobanb> (shrugs)
[09:48] <poningru> eobanb: take a look at what BenUrban just said
[09:48] <BenUrban> Seveas: heh, aleph one is a game that's not in ubuntu yet
[09:48] <eobanb> well, we're fine now then i guess.
[09:48] <poningru> yeah
[09:48] <navarone> viktor> I have sb live and in alsamixer I can right arrow over quite far to see spdif and such...make sure you have looked at all the volumes available and up any that are remotely like a speakers source
[09:48] <eobanb> i *love* marathon
[09:48] <renatosansevero> I'm trying to use external IP to access my internal IP address.. in a way that people from other contry can access my computer . how can I configure that?
[09:49] <BenUrban> eobanb: never been to #alephone?
[09:49] <nunux> oh i have another question, i have a great computer but it seem to run slow do i can make something?
[09:49] <zardoz> does anybody know something about utf-8 conversion?
[09:49] <ximatr> ximatr hola
[09:49] <eobanb> BenUrban, no
[09:49] <arpu_> hi
[09:49] <Voodoo_Vibe> how can i get alsamixer?? i have downloaded alsa-base and alsa-utils
[09:49] <arpu_> i can not start firefox in dapper
[09:49] <BenUrban> eobanb: if you love marathon you may as well be there :)
[09:49] <Seveas> Voodoo_Vibe, in the terminal you type: alsamixer
[09:50] <renatosansevero> zardoz yes. it standard caracteres
[09:50] <arpu_> <window id="main-window"
[09:50] <arpu_> ^    <menu id="helpMenu"
[09:50] <arpu_> ----^
[09:50] <eobanb> BenUrban, i know all about aleph one
[09:50] <arpu_> ^^ is the problem by start firefox
[09:50] <Voodoo_Vibe> Seveas: yes i know but i dont have it.
[09:50] <renatosansevero> zardoz it's common used in XML files, so people can see "" ...
[09:50] <zardoz> renato - I can't convert my files to utf-8
[09:51] <renatosansevero> zardoz which files? what are you tring to do?
[09:51] <zardoz> I am trying to convert all my old filenames to utf-8, like mp3's and such
[09:51] <Bateau_> ProN00b: that command didnt work
[09:52] <poningru> Bateau_: what are you trying to do?
[09:52] <henriksson> could someone explain how ip masking works?
[09:52] <zardoz> renato: I tried convmv and utf8-migration-tool without luvk
[09:52] <zardoz> luck
[09:52] <Bateau_> poningru: trying to play a movie on my projector from my laptop
[09:52] <renatosansevero> zardoz I think you should make a script and run it recursively in all your files.
[09:52] <eobanb> henriksson, usually with a proxy server
[09:53] <BenUrban> Seveas: X Error of failed request:  BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)
[09:53] <zardoz> renato: how would I do this - I'm not much of a programmer
[09:53] <BenUrban> from fgl_glxgears
[09:53] <vicks> i thinking of moving full time to kubuntu. the thing is that i have lots of documents and mp3's on my disk that i want to keep. backing them up on cd's isn'r really an option, as it would take quite a few cd's. would it be possible to make a partition, install kubuntu, copy my files to the kubuntu part. and then remove the windows-partition?
[09:53] <zardoz> and convmv changes my  characters to  and so on
[09:53] <poningru> Bateau_: what port are you connecting to the projector?
[09:53] <renatosansevero> zardoz why you need utf-8 files names?
[09:54] <melonipoika> hi
[09:54] <poningru> Bateau_: vga or svid?
[09:54] <Bateau_> vga
[09:54] <melonipoika> anyone uses ntfs-fuse?
[09:54] <ProN00b> Bateau_, do what Blissex said, change the playing device to X11 in your xine settings
[09:54] <eobanb> vicks, i wouldnt recommend live resizing partitions.  you should back up your data in any case anyway
[09:54] <yanis> how do I change the keyoard layout in console mode in ubuntu?
[09:54] <melonipoika> i can mount ntfs with ntfsmount from the terminal, but from fstab i get an error
[09:54] <zardoz> renato: Some music applications do not understand latin characters and can't read my folders and files
[09:54] <vicks> eobanb: ok, thanks
[09:54] <shadeofgrey> yanis:  y'know - i dont think thats possible
[09:55] <Bateau_> ProN00b: "Video driver to use" thingy?
[09:55] <melonipoika> and ntfs write is working!
[09:55] <Riddell> vicks: yes
[09:55] <chapium> what?
[09:55] <chapium> ntfs write?
[09:55] <ProN00b> Bateau_, i would think so
[09:55] <shadeofgrey> melonipoika: ntfs write is VERY perilous
[09:55] <melonipoika> yes :D
[09:55] <Blissex> yanis: it is sort of possible, not very advisable though... Look for the console tools package.
[09:55] <yanis> shadeofgrey: it MUST be possible
[09:55] <poningru> melonipoika: I wouldnt write to ntfs
[09:55] <Bateau_> ProN00b: x11 isnt on that list
[09:55] <Riddell> vicks: assuming you have the disk space
[09:55] <melonipoika> ntfs-fuse
[09:55] <bulio> how do I password protect ubuntu when it goes into screensaver?
[09:55] <ProN00b> vicks, defragment from windows then resize with partition magic from windows, worked for me
[09:55] <poningru> melonipoika: its possible but its very dangerous
[09:55] <chapium> ntfs == timebomb
[09:55] <poningru> melonipoika: but what was your problem really?
[09:55] <poningru> cant mount from fstab?
[09:56] <renatosansevero> zardoz hmmm once i have done a script to do that... very easy. but you also can find some information at: http://packages.ubuntu.org.cn/hoary/misc/utf8-migration-tool
[09:56] <chapium> more of a powder keg really
[09:56] <bulio> heh
[09:56] <bulio> just remove windows altogether
[09:56] <bulio> ;)
[09:56] <bulio> I did
[09:56] <shadeofgrey> bulio: right click on your top status bar and select add to panel and then click on the lock system icon and place it wherever you want
[09:56] <ProN00b> Bateau_, whats there ? try everything
[09:56] <hmpedersen> Where can i download hoary?
[09:56] <vicks> how big is the risk that i totally bork my filesystems?
[09:56] <eobanb> hmpedersen, hoary is not the current version
[09:56] <yanis> Blissex: it's bad I cant change it to dvorak easily :/
[09:56] <hmpedersen> eobanb, which is why i ask, where i can download it
[09:56] <shadeofgrey> bulio:  you can also assign a keystroke sequence to it using system -> prefs -> keyboard shortcuts
[09:56] <Blissex> yanis: you surely can and easily.
[09:56] <eobanb> vicks, i'd say it's big enough that you dont want to risk it
[09:56] <zardoz> renato: yeah, but that script did not work for me - it just changed my Danish characters to some weird characters like  and such
[09:57] <renatosansevero> zardoz if you are able to do a script. i recomend you code it in python..
[09:57] <bulio> thanks
[09:57] <navarone> vicks how big is your kubuntu partition in relation to the windows one?
[09:57] <yanis> Blissex: how?
[09:57] <chris> Hey guys, what's the best backup tool that I can use to recover, when all goes horribly wrong, from a CD/DVD recovery disk - with incremental backups?
[09:57] <houri> OS:(WinXP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600)) - Up:(1w 1d 2h 52m 58s) - CPU:(1 CPU - Intel Pentium 4, 2.67 GHz, L1: 8KB L2: 512KB (2% Load)) - Mem:(Usage: 357/512MB (69.73%) - (|||||||---)) - HD:(Total/Free: 68.35/28.88GB)
[09:57] <Blissex> yanis: the console tools have a dvorak layout. Indeed I remember seeing a Dvorak-for-Linux HOWTO somewhere.
[09:57] <eobanb> vicks, you ought to be backing up your data in case of drive failure no matter what
[09:57] <ProN00b> vicks, whats your setup right now ?
[09:57] <yanis> ok Blissex
[09:57] <Blissex> yanis: try 'locate dvorak' and marvel :-)
[09:57] <eobanb> hmpedersen, why do you want to use hoary?
[09:57] <meepy> If I want to learn and understand how linux works and how debian works, can you then recommend a book or somewhat?
[09:57] <hmpedersen> eobanb, because breezy doesnt install on my pc.. And i know hoary does
[09:57] <bulio> how can I disable switch user though?
[09:57] <shadeofgrey> meepy:  the ubuntu wiki is  a great place to start
[09:58] <eobanb> hmpedersen, do you know why it does not install?
[09:58] <zardoz> renato: there is already a script called utf-conversion.sh, but it does not work right for me
[09:58] <vicks> therright now i just have a drive with winxp on it, earlier i hd an old drive with ubuntu on it, but it's to small to use as backup
[09:58] <BenUrban> bulio: why would you want to disable user switching?
[09:58] <hmpedersen> eobanb, because it freezes during installing the fonts..
[09:58] <meepy> shadeofgrey, thanks.
[09:58] <shadeofgrey> meepy: if you want to speak with me in private i can guide you more precisely to stuff you want to know
[09:58] <hmpedersen> after an hour on the same font, it reboots
[09:58] <navarone> meepy> If you have gnutella or similar p2p do a search for "linux.*pdf" and you can get quite a few valuable reference works to look thru
[09:58] <eobanb> hmpedersen, perhaps you could try re-burning the media.
[09:58] <bulio> nvm, its good
[09:58] <poningru> !linux
[09:58] <ubotu> well, linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Ubuntu is only one version of the GNU/Linux operating system. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[09:58] <bulio> thanks guys
[09:59] <hmpedersen> eobanb, i did that many times.. now im asking where to download hoary
[09:59] <BenUrban> Seveas: are you still there?
[09:59] <meepy> I've read "Learn Linux in 24 Hours" that gave the basic commands in console (rm, cp, etc) but I want more :P
[09:59] <renatosansevero> zardoz I understand. that's because it convert files into UTF-8 . you should find a script to convert into other standard that doensn't accept latin caracteres.
[09:59] <vicks> hm, i don't want to risk loosing my data, so i will probably try to hunt down a cheap hd to use for backing up (at least during migration)
[09:59] <eobanb> vicks, good plan.
[09:59] <vicks> thanks fot the answers though
[09:59] <BenUrban> meepy: you might want to consider installing gentoo (just for the experience)
[09:59] <ProN00b> vicks, why not install ubuntu on the old disk and leave the other one like it is (you can even write to it if its fat)
[09:59] <navarone> vicks>losing mp3s would suck bigtime
[10:00] <poningru> hmpedersen: here http://ubuntu.hands.com/releases/5.04/
[10:00] <Knowerrors> Hey all, can some help with this, I installed Firefox 1.5 using the Arnieboy installer script, but when I run FF, it crashes, heres what I get at terminal http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5859
[10:00] <hmpedersen> poningru, thanx
[10:00] <BenUrban> meepy: the gentoo installation process does a very good job of teaching someone linux
[10:00] <renatosansevero> zardoz I'm from brazil (portuguese language) and latin caracteres aways bother me.
[10:00] <meepy> I tried it
[10:00] <eobanb> BenUrban, i respectfully disagree.
[10:00] <meepy> I got stuck pretty fast
[10:00] <poningru> hmpedersen: after installing hoary just put in the breezy cd
[10:00] <meepy> :P
[10:00] <poningru> it will upgrade
[10:00] <zardoz> renato: but why does it not change  into ? I mean, isn't utf-8 supposed to work with all characters?
[10:00] <vicks> ProN00b: it's an old 6 gb drive, which is extremely slow and noisy. i'm tired of it
[10:01] <viktor> i have navarone i have now fixed so that all the side speakers works but not the sub or the center :(
[10:01] <hmpedersen> poningru, yes i know.. I just need hoary installed first..
[10:01] <navarone> viktor what soundcard?
[10:01] <eobanb> BenUrban, a newbie following a gentoo install guide expecting to learn how linux works is like copying some chinese characters on paper and expecting to learn chinese....doing does not mean understanding
[10:01] <viktor> realtek 97
[10:01] <B1zz> hello all i am trying to play a dvd with xine,   I open it from the shell it it tells me libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.  It still plays the FBI warnings and goes to the main DVD menu but when i try to play it it says i dont have enought rights.  Any ideas?
[10:01] <BenUrban> eobanb: you might be right
[10:01] <poningru> !dvd
[10:01] <ubotu> dvd is, like, totally, "DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some DVDs may require libdvdcss2, which is available on http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl   See also !libdvdcss2"
[10:02] <hmpedersen> Now this is interesting..
[10:02] <eobanb> personally, i believe an organised introduction to linux is usually more useful....
[10:02] <poningru> B1zz: did you get that?
[10:02] <navarone> viktor> sounds like onboard sound chip...is it actually able to give surround sound?
[10:02] <chris> Anyone know how I can buff-up the Right Click dialogue of xmms so that my friend doesn't scream when I show her Breezy?
[10:02] <eobanb> usually books work well
[10:02] <hmpedersen> My gmail has 8 mails in inbox.. And my gmail notifier says no new mail..
[10:02] <hmpedersen> oh well
[10:02] <hmpedersen> gotta start downloading image now
[10:02] <Hemet_Ka> how can I open a squashfs file?
[10:02] <viktor> yes it is an onboard soundcard i got an abit av8 board and yes it can give suround
[10:02] <renatosansevero> zardoz  yes. that's correct. UTF-8 works with all characters... but the point is: you have utf-8 files and need convert to linux compatible type of files
[10:03] <navarone> hmpedersen, are the mails ones you have looked at but not deleted from inbox?
[10:03] <viktor> i use surround in windows
[10:03] <BenUrban> Hemet_Ka: you need the squashfs kernel module
[10:03] <vicks> i must say that the whole ubuntu-sphere is quite spectacular, almost everyone is extremely helpful, and there is very little flaming
[10:03] <LjL> renatosansevero: "linux compatible"?
[10:03] <hmpedersen> navarone, they are unread :P
[10:03] <Hemet_Ka> BenUrban, how can I do that?
[10:03] <BenUrban> Hemet_Ka: dunno, heh
[10:03] <tilos> chris: try bmp its just like xmms but with gtk2
[10:03] <hmpedersen> ahh.. gmail notifier isnt actually responding to anything.. crashed again..
[10:03] <poningru> meepy: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/
[10:03] <viktor> navarone  i use surround in windows so i think it should be possible to use it in linux =)
[10:03] <hmpedersen> so much for kde software :P
[10:03] <poningru> meepy: that is a very extensive guide to linux
[10:03] <meepy> thanks
[10:03] <renatosansevero> LjL without "" ... the player he uses doesnot support that.
[10:04] <hmpedersen> programs *
[10:04] <chris> tilos: ok thankyou, ill have a look
[10:04] <navarone> vicks...if you get bigger harddrive you should update bios to insure that computer will recognize bigger capacity since you are usung 6 gigger atm
[10:04] <_jason> hmpedersen, gmail notifier has always worked well for me.  Did you enable pop in your gmail prefs?
[10:04] <renatosansevero> LjL linux usually doesn't work fine with all characters
[10:04] <LjL> renatosansevero: i see, but "linux compatible" is not quite the right term, as UTF-8 is as linux compatible as it can get...
[10:05] <zardoz> renato: sorry, I am a newbie, but isn't Ubuntu Breezy utf-8 by default? And why does convmv not change my  and  characters to the same characters?
[10:05] <renatosansevero> LjL yes. I got you.  I meant "his player compatible"...
[10:05] <hmpedersen> _jason, it works fine, unless i let the computer run for 4 days in a row without even restarting gnome :)
[10:05] <navarone> viktor what speakers are you using?
[10:05] <LjL> zardoz: yes, ubuntu comes with utf-8 set by default
[10:05] <_jason> hmpedersen, oh, I've been using it for 2 days... I better get ready
[10:06] <Hemet_Ka> BenUrban, have you got a wiki, howto or a place to find information about the squashfs files?
[10:06] <BenUrban> Hemet_Ka: me? no....
[10:06] <viktor> im using creative 5.1
[10:06] <void^> Hemet_Ka: http://squashfs.sourceforge.net/
[10:06] <Hemet_Ka> is there anyone with the information?
[10:06] <viktor> dont know exaclty
[10:06] <nubuntu> "Qt installation not detected.
[10:06] <nubuntu> Set $QTDIR correctly and reru" - What would be right path here? /usr/local/qt3 ?
[10:06] <Hemet_Ka> thanks void^
[10:06] <vicks> navarone: sorry, i don't think i was really clear on my setup. right now i'm in windows on a 80 gig, the 6 gig with kubuntu isn't in the setup att all atm
[10:06] <navarone> viktor...I am using 6 year old Kinyo's...lol
[10:06] <LjL> nubuntu: where is this happening?
[10:07] <renatosansevero> zardoz I will find here a routine to rename files.
[10:07] <nubuntu> LjL, installing Exscalibar
[10:07] <chris> Humm, my bmp isn't opening when I click it =/
[10:07] <zardoz> renato: thanks!!!
[10:07] <navarone> vicks...is the six gigs not in the windows machine?
[10:07] <BenUrban> nubuntu: yes
[10:07] <viktor> ok lol :P
[10:07] <LjL> nubuntu: since i don't know what it is -- do you actually mean installing, or *compiling*?
[10:08] <BenUrban> wait no that's not it
[10:08] <nubuntu> LjL, compiling I guess :) sorry, but setting path, doesnt help. Same response
[10:08] <renatosansevero> zardoz  in python ok
[10:08] <BenUrban> nubuntu: i think it would be /usr/include/qt3
[10:08] <LjL> nubuntu: is it a KDE program or just a QT program?
[10:08] <hmpedersen> well.. time for a ctrl+alt+backspace :)
[10:08] <zardoz> LjL: have I understood this correctly: when moving my files from my vfat-partition to my Ubuntu partition, they automatically become utf-8??
[10:08] <Hemet_Ka> void^,  if a distro instalation cd has got a lot of information in squashfs files, does this mean that I will not be able to modify it?
[10:08] <renatosansevero> zardoz  for renaming files you can use "os.rename (file1, file2)"
[10:09] <nubuntu> BenUrban, will try that
[10:09] <LjL> nubuntu: try installing libqt3-mt-dev, or kdelibs4-dev
[10:09] <zardoz> renato: ok, do I just write that on the command line?
[10:09] <hmpedersen> brb
[10:09] <void^> Hemet_Ka: extract it, modify, use mksquashfs, done
[10:09] <renatosansevero> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/442517
[10:09] <LjL> zardoz: i am not sure if that happens
[10:09] <nubuntu> LjL, think I got those actually...
[10:09] <vicks> navarone: nope, running kubuntu on it was no fun. I only used it to try linux out (i'm new to it). it's to small to use for backup, so i don't have any use for it, i'm going to have to buy  a bigger one
[10:09] <renatosansevero> zardoz: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/442517
[10:09] <natex> somebody have a .deb for gimp-2.3.5?
[10:09] <renatosansevero> compile it and have fun with you songs
[10:10] <LjL> nubuntu: well, be very sure you do before going mad trying to compile... "apt-cache policy libqt3-mt-dev" will tell you if it's really installed
[10:10] <zardoz> renato: thank you SO much - I will check that out!
[10:10] <BenUrban> does anyone know how to convert an ebuild to a deb?
[10:10] <chris> anyone know why my bmp isn't opening when clicked? *drinks coffee*
[10:10] <Hemet_Ka> void^, t what program should I use to extract the files?
[10:11] <crimsun> chris: that's much too vague
[10:11] <nubuntu> LjL, off course Im sure. Not going mad, only almost :)
[10:11] <dm> Is there anyway in Gnome Desktop to hide mounted drives without unmounting them???
[10:11] <chris> hehe thought so, what could I say to help describe whats wrong?
[10:11] <eobanb> chris, try right-clicking and choosing Open with...
[10:11] <Quenyar> anyone here know how to use atd?
[10:11] <tilos> chris: run it from terminal and see the messgs
[10:11] <franky123> dm: try the file mounter desklet?
[10:11] <chris> ok 1 sec
[10:11] <natex> dm, hide? in what way?
[10:11] <LjL> nubuntu: would you give me a link to the archive you're trying to compile so i can try as well?
[10:11] <filleokus> How do i install flash plugins for firefox?
[10:11] <void^> Hemet_Ka: just mount the squashfs
[10:12] <nubuntu> sure, 5 sec
[10:12] <navarone> vicks> good idea.  when you do make a fat 32 partition using drives util cd and you can then use it to transfer/hold files between linux and windows until you have all data files safely backed up or what have you
[10:12] <hmpedersen> im back :)
[10:12] <eobanb> !flash
[10:12] <ubotu> [restricted]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[10:12] <dm> natex i have mounted drives... and i cant get them off my desktop
[10:12] <rabeldable> Quenyar: whats question about atd?
[10:12] <Quenyar> I have a stupid question, when I am invoking an at command and I have the at> prompt, how do I end my input and return to the standard prompt?
[10:12] <filleokus> Oh sorry, in Amd 64 :P
[10:12] <hmpedersen> with a blue thingy runnong, telling me i have mail :P
[10:12] <eobanb> ah :)
[10:12] <nubuntu> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=101971
[10:12] <BenUrban> Quenyar: try ^D
[10:12] <rabeldable> Quenyar: type Ctrl-D
[10:12] <LjL> nubuntu: thanks
[10:12] <hmpedersen> I never got the amd64 running on my computer
[10:12] <vicks> navarone: sounds smart. thnx
[10:12] <natex> dm, Oh
[10:12] <dm> natex in other words, because i have mounted drives, 2 icons on  my desktop ( the drives links ) are always on my desktop, and i cannot delete them ,
[10:13] <natex> dm, gotcha... one sec
[10:13] <dm> frankly123 ? i want to hide the icons thats are currently on my desktop for my mounted drives
[10:13] <eobanb> filleokus, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats#head-8716eb8189b09219de135a59c22dd4f4cf1b702e
[10:13] <chris> humm strange, it runs when I run it with root privileges - but not when I don't run it with them... humm
[10:13] <hmpedersen> anyways.. i need a 32bit distro to be able to use cedega :)
[10:13] <navarone> vicks> you can transfer windows to new drive as well if you want and then make it the boot drive...but I do not know your needs...or if you are planning to keep windows at all once your data is safely backed up
[10:14] <Quenyar> Thanks!  It's one of those stupid things that they never include in the instructions...
[10:14] <AoA> Does somebody knows what does this means : http://pastebin.ca/34004
[10:14] <chris> I guess i'll just add sudo to the launcher
[10:14] <SAM_theman> whats the command to install mplayer plguin for firefox?
[10:14] <natex> dm, looking...
[10:14] <cor1y> hmmm
[10:14] <dm> kk thnx
[10:14] <renatosansevero> I need to foward an external IP address into my network IP ?  (I use a router modem)
[10:14] <eobanb> renatosansevero, can you be more specific
[10:14] <hmpedersen> renatosansevero, what router, AND WHAT ISP U HAVE?
[10:15] <tilos> chris: it works just fine with normal user here
[10:15] <navarone> chris> right clcik a bmp file and chose what program you want to open/view it
[10:15] <hmpedersen> ahh.. damn ibm and their laptops
[10:15] <silverton> what does it matter what ISP he has?
[10:15] <renatosansevero> SpeedTouch modem router ...
[10:15] <crimsun> SAM_theman: install mozilla-mplayer
[10:15] <BenUrban> silverton: my isp blocks all my ports :P
[10:15] <crimsun> !info mozilla-mplayer
[10:15] <rickest> AoA: sure, that's a link to a pastebin site.  j/k, it looks like you're compiling something against the wrong lib version
[10:15] <hmpedersen> silverton, because some isps kinda lock their routers
[10:15] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla), section multiverse/misc, is optional. Version: 3.05-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 366 kB, Installed size: 1340 kB
[10:15] <natex> dm, gnome-panel:
[10:15] <natex> applications->system tools->configuration editor
[10:15] <silverton> BenUrban, get a new ISP then
[10:15] <renatosansevero> silverton how can i know the ISP ?
[10:15] <BenUrban> silverton: will do
[10:15] <renatosansevero> ISP ?
[10:15] <chris> what's the ext of a bmp file > navarone
[10:15] <silverton> BenUrban, ;D
[10:16] <SAM_theman> thank u
[10:16] <silverton> I'd hate not being able to serve anything, rofl
[10:16] <vicks> navarone: hm...it depends on what kind of drive i can get my hands on. if i can borrow/buy a used one, i'll probably just move my files there, do a full install ubuntu on my "windows-drive", and then copy my files back.
[10:16] <hmpedersen> renato, internet service provider.. what do you get your internet from?
[10:16] <dm> natex ?
[10:16] <eobanb> renatosansevero, the address for the web configuration of your nat device is probably something like 192.168.1.1
[10:16] <crimsun> chris: it can play vorbis, mp3, wav files by default
[10:16] <natex> dm, click on the panel menu "applications"
[10:16] <BenUrban> my mom has too much inertis in her email address thogh
[10:16] <BenUrban> *inertia
[10:16] <LjL> nubuntu: try "export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3"
[10:16] <silverton> BenUrban, take inititive, get a job, and pay for one yourself
[10:16] <renatosansevero> eobanb  ok I configure my web with 10.0.0.138
[10:16] <natex> dm, "sytem tools', configuration editor"
[10:17] <eobanb> renatosansevero, all right
[10:17] <eobanb> it's somewhere in there.
[10:17] <chris> oh ok, humm there all set to rhythmbox by default for me... uhh oh well - heh
[10:17] <BenUrban> silverton: i have a job
[10:17] <renatosansevero> eobanb  yes. but where?
[10:17] <natex> dm, then apps, nautilus, desktop
[10:17] <eobanb> renatosansevero, i'm not familiar with your specific brand of router, but from what i can tell you want to forward traffic on a certain port to a machine inside the nat?
[10:17] <natex> dm, you got it?
[10:17] <dm> natex GREAT , thanks man
[10:17] <eobanb> look for something like 'port forwarding' or 'nat' ...i cant help you more because this really isnt the place for that type of question
[10:18] <natex> dm, you bet
[10:18] <renatosansevero> eobanb I want to give SSH access for a user from other country...
[10:18] <proman> !AsLaN_-_ 05-la_habitacion_roja-nunca_ganaremos_el_mundial-srn.mp3
[10:18] <ubotu> proman: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[10:18] <cor1y> mozilla plugin try this page http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/install.php
[10:18] <crimsun> cor1y: no, I gave him the correct one already.
[10:18] <silverton> BenUrban, then pay for a different service for your room ;)
[10:18] <chris> I must go watch a film with some nagging lady, thanks for your help so far guys - seeyas
[10:18] <BenUrban> silverton: lol comcast has a monopoly on cable internet in this country
[10:18] <renatosansevero> eobanb So i think I should give him my external IP ... but it doesn't work
[10:18] <eobanb> renatosansevero, i can help you with ssh, but i'm afraid you'll have to figure out port forwarding yourself because this is not a networking channel and i'm also unfamiliar with your hardware
[10:18] <BenUrban> and i don't have a phone jack in my room
[10:19] <hmpedersen> renato, can u tell me the productno. of your router?
[10:19] <nubuntu> LjL, thanks!
[10:19] <silverton> BenUrban, you have comcast?
[10:19] <BenUrban> yes
[10:19] <silverton> what ports are they blocking on you that they aren't on me?
[10:19] <BenUrban> all of them
[10:19] <hmpedersen> model no.
[10:19] <silverton> oh okay, that makes sense
[10:19] <BenUrban> they block 100% of my incoming ports
[10:19] <eobanb> please stay on topic...
[10:19] <Nytryx> hey room
[10:19] <nubuntu> LjL, jackpot! :)
[10:19] <silverton> I haven't found a port yet that has been blocked
[10:19] <renatosansevero> eobanb ok. I have here some information in 10.0.0.138 ...like "IP routing table"
[10:19] <renatosansevero> can it help?
[10:19] <LjL> nubuntu: i can confirm it compiles with QTDIR set to /usr/lib/qt3. don't know why it doesn't work "out of the box", that's a very strange configure script they're using
[10:19] <eobanb> renatosansevero, no, that's not what you want
[10:20] <silverton> BenUrban, why doesn't your IP resolve?
[10:20] <renatosansevero> hmmmm what should I look for?
[10:20] <renatosansevero> eobanb  what should I look for?
[10:20] <hmpedersen> renatosansevero, can you tell me the modem's model no.?
[10:20] <natex> guys, I'm new to debian, is there a place to find bleeding edge debs? like gimp-devel branch?
[10:20] <BenUrban> silverton: uhh dunno
[10:20] <eobanb> renatosansevero, i already told you, look for something like 'port forwarding' or 'nat' or 'lan'
[10:20] <cor1y> well good
[10:20] <Hemet_Ka> void^, the squashfs files system is used for x86 based PCs?
[10:20] <BenUrban> silverton: what are you trying?
[10:20] <renatosansevero> hmpedersen: SpeedTouch 500Series
[10:20] <silverton> BenUrban, wanted to see what ISP you had so I didn't have to ask
[10:20] <nubuntu> LjL your the master
[10:20] <BenUrban> heh
[10:21] <cor1y> I just installed that plugin today and forgot how :)
[10:21] <eobanb> natex this is not the debian channel, this is ubuntu
[10:21] <hmpedersen> renato, the 500 series is rather big.. with namy different models.. all with varying software
[10:21] <void^> Hemet_Ka: the first paragraph on the site i linked you to states: The filesystem is currently stable, and has been tested on PowerPC, i586, Sparc and ARM architectures.
[10:21] <larzzz> hello some one from slovakia?
[10:21] <eobanb> natex, debian debs do not necessarily work on ubuntu
[10:21] <natex> eobanb, hmm. well that is an answer I would expect on #debian
[10:21] <hmpedersen> larzzz, not me.. But im trying to learn czech,is that close enuf?
[10:22] <silverton> BenUrban, maybe it's just your router?
[10:22] <Hemet_Ka> how can I know the nucleo version of linux?
[10:22] <JDahl> natex, it's not easy to find external bleeding edge debian packages. If you want the newest experimental packages, you should look at Debian Unstable
[10:22] <larzzz> yes i understand czech :)
[10:22] <renatosansevero> hmpedersen i will try to find the right number
[10:22] <BenUrban> silverton: you can't reach my router
[10:22] <BenUrban> silverton: you can only reach comcast's firewall
[10:22] <greenpenguin13> anyone know a decent suse irc channel?
[10:23] <natex> JDahl, ok thank you.
[10:23] <JDahl> natex, i.e., install Debian Unstable instead of Ubuntu Breezy
[10:23] <eobanb> #suse ?
[10:23] <Knowerrors> Anyone have a link for a FF 1.5 deb for breezy?
[10:23] <greenpenguin13> #suse is really quiet
[10:23] <hmpedersen> larzzz, Ses posral v kine?
[10:23] <hmpedersen> larzzz, nuffin personal :P
[10:23] <eobanb> natex, you could also try dapper
[10:23] <insomnd> hi
[10:23] <larzzz> cool man
[10:23] <eobanb> natex if you are new to debian/ubuntu i would not recommend you use unstable packages
[10:23] <silverton> BenUrban, has it always been like that?
[10:23] <renatosansevero> hmpedersen  I'm sorry. it just shows that information ... i don't know more about my router
[10:23] <BenUrban> silverton: yep
[10:23] <greenpenguin13> dapper isnt that bad :)
[10:23] <insomnd> is there a way to dial a regular phone number and have a conversation using my modem in ubuntu?
[10:24] <silverton> BenUrban, I'd call and be like "wtf guys?"
[10:24] <natex> eobanb, ok thank you. Iactually only need the devel gimp :/
[10:24] <hmpedersen> larzzz, heh.. I just created a new character in swg based on Radek Zelenka from atlantis :P
[10:24] <eobanb> insomnd, you need a voice modem
[10:24] <BenUrban> silverton: i've called them before
[10:24] <Knowerrors> I tried Arnieboys installer script, which makes Firefox 1.5 work, but it crashes on certain sites
[10:24] <Hemet_Ka> how can I know the kernel version of linux?
[10:24] <silverton> BenUrban, you in the states?
[10:24] <BenUrban> yes
[10:24] <Seveas> you know, ntfsprogs from dapper is cool
[10:24] <eobanb> Hemet_Ka, uname -r
[10:24] <rickest> Hemet_Ka: uname -r
[10:24] <natex> eobanb, I didn;t want to go thru the hassle of making my own .deb
[10:24] <BenUrban> well i'm in one particulat state
[10:24] <Seveas> writing to ntfs :)
[10:24] <insomnd> eobanb, how can i tell from ubuntu if my modem is a voice one?
[10:24] <BenUrban> *particular
[10:24] <hmpedersen> larzzz, so i have to learn to czech for when things to bad :P
[10:24] <silverton> hawaii, alaska?
[10:24] <eobanb> insomnd, you might want to look inside your computer and google the model number
[10:24] <larzzz> sorry idont know him :)
[10:25] <BenUrban> silverton: lol, no
[10:25] <eobanb> insomnd, most modems are not voice modems
[10:25] <insomnd> ok
[10:25] <renatosansevero> eobanb  I fount here  	Network Address Port Translation (NAPT)
[10:25] <larzzz> why do u want to know czech?
[10:25] <_jason> Knowerrors, run it in a terminal and make it crash.  See if it gives you an error to work with
[10:25] <eobanb> insomnd, if you want to call people from your computer you might want to look at some sort of VoIP instead
[10:25] <rickest> insomnd: or you could use minicom to query the modems caps; i.e., ati3 or ati4.  that /should/ tell you
[10:25] <greenpenguin13> what would i type to get a list of chanells ppl?
[10:25] <jenda_busy> larzzz: Good question
[10:25] <hmpedersen> larzzz, http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/characters/z/zelenkaradek.shtml
[10:25] <cmatheson> greenpenguin13: /list
[10:25] <_jason> greenpenguin13, /list
[10:25] <Knowerrors> _jason: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5859
[10:26] <silverton> I'm in WA, and three of my buddies have comcast and they don't have any issues
[10:26] <Seveas> Kaban4ik-, we speak english  in here
[10:26] <silverton> and I know a couple on the east coast that don't have issues
[10:26] <insomnd> eobanb, rickest, i am trying to record a phone conversation...
[10:26] <greenpenguin13> on irssi?
[10:26] <insomnd> i was thinking this might be an easy way
[10:26] <BenUrban> silverton: i've only ever encountered one other person on comcast who has all ports inexplicably blocked
[10:26] <silverton> same state as you?
[10:26] <BenUrban> nope
[10:26] <eobanb> insomnd, i should note that that isnt necessarily legal...
[10:26] <jenda_busy> hmpedersen: But why do /you/ have to learn Czech?
[10:27] <hmpedersen> jenda_busy, because im a roleplayer.. I have to play the role of radek :P
[10:27] <silverton> what'd they say when you called?
[10:27] <renatosansevero> eobanb  ?
[10:27] <dell500> how do i install a deb package?
[10:27] <larzzz> stargate :)
[10:27] <jenda_busy> hmpedersen: Ah I see. Tak hodn tst :)
[10:27] <BenUrban> hmpedersen: then you should already know czech
[10:27] <dell500> sudo dpkg packagename?
[10:27] <silverton> dell500, sudo dpkg -i
[10:27] <dell500> thanks
[10:27] <hmpedersen> You cant swear in czech, if u dont know the language :)
[10:27] <eobanb> renatosansevero, did you have any other questions?
[10:28] <redvelvet> any programs out there is war drive?
[10:28] <Hemet_Ka> void^, I've closed the web page (error), could you give me the address again please?
[10:28] <insomnd> rickest, what kind of parameters should i issue to minicom?
[10:28] <renatosansevero> eobanb  I told you, i found here something ...the most simillar to what you ask me to look for.... it's :   Network Address Port Translation (NAPT)
[10:28] <void^> Hemet_Ka: http://squashfs.sourceforge.net/  it's not only the project's homepage, but also shows up as #1 hit on a google search..
[10:28] <navarone> war drive?
[10:28] <_jason> Knowerrors, are you using an extensions or themes for firefox?
[10:28] <eobanb> renatosansevero, that sounds right.
[10:28] <hmpedersen> jenda_busy that came out as:  "Tak hodn tst"
[10:28] <redvelvet> deteckting wireless
[10:29] <silverton> redvelvet, kismet, or airsnort
[10:29] <eobanb> redvelvet, kismet is pretty good.
[10:29] <jenda_busy> hmpedersen: Anda that came out just as it aught here :) - it was "tak hodne stesti" - "good luck" :)
[10:29] <redvelvet> thank you silverton and eobanb
[10:29] <eobanb> or AP Radar
[10:29] <Knowerrors> _jason: I was with 1.07, but haven't installed anything since upgrading to 1.5 using the Arnieboy installer script
[10:30] <Seveas> Knowerrors, arnieboy is a fool and automatix is pure crap
[10:30] <redvelvet> eobanb, is this something i have to get through repositories?
[10:30] <hmpedersen> jenda_busy, thanx :) didnt get past swearing yet :) (as radek only uses his language when something goes wrong :P)
[10:30] <_jason> Knowerrors, run: firefox -safe-mode, and see if it still throws you errors
[10:30] <proman> !AsLaN_-_ 05-la_habitacion_roja-nunca_ganaremos_el_mundial-srn.mp3
[10:30] <ubotu> proman: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[10:30] <renatosansevero> eobanb  I clicked in NAPT Entries and it ask for Protocol, inside IP, ouside IP, Inside port, and outside port. is that fileds that I should populate ?
[10:30] <Cybb_laptop> Is really a root password set during the ubuntu installation?
[10:31] <LjL> Cybb_laptop: no
[10:31] <eobanb> Cybb_laptop, no.
[10:31] <silverton> Cybb_laptop, no.
[10:31] <BenUrban> Cybb_laptop: no
[10:31] <_jason> ubotu, tell Cybb_laptop about root
[10:31] <jenda_busy> hmpedersen: Cool :) So you would know what a "pojebany zmrd" is?
[10:31] <hmpedersen> Cybb_laptop nope
[10:31] <eobanb> renatosansevero, yes
[10:31] <BenUrban> anyone else? :P
[10:31] <silverton> lol >.<
[10:31] <navarone> proman> ubotu isn't a jukebox
[10:31] <Knowerrors> Seveas: Ive heard that before, why does his stuff get so much positive attention in the forums?  It shouldn't be encouraged if it jacks up your system
[10:31] <renatosansevero> eobanb  just to figure it out.. could you give me some information else?
[10:31] <Seveas> Knowerrors, the forums are filled with idiots
[10:31] <hmpedersen> jenda, no.. But gimme a sec..
[10:31] <eobanb> renatosansevero, what do you want to know?
[10:32] <Hemet_Ka> I cannot instal the program void^ my kernel version is not there
[10:32] <Hemet_Ka> :S
[10:32] <nubuntu> LjL, did you successfully compile that program? At make, I get "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsndfile
[10:32] <nubuntu> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[10:32] <nubuntu> " aah
[10:32] <Seveas> and since automatix seems to do the right thing, they cheer him
[10:32] <Cybb_laptop> Oh, thnx guys
[10:32] <Seveas> but it's utter unsafe crap that has already triggerd dozens of reinstalls
[10:32] <jenda_busy> hmpedersen: Don't worry - you won't find a translation, or I doubt so. Anyway this is very OT :)
[10:32] <LjL> nubuntu: i get that too, but then i didn't install libsoundfile, i stopped after i saw the QT part worked
[10:32] <insomnd> V.92, 56K Modem -> does that say anything?
[10:32] <hmpedersen> well.. If i knew what "pojebany" was, then id know what that means :P
[10:32] <void^> Hemet_Ka: what's your kernel version?
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> automatix is very annoying at times.. - as far as jacking up the system.. no clue there :P
[10:33] <nubuntu> ok
[10:33] <eobanb> Seveas, i agree..
[10:33] <nubuntu> LjL, so installing libsoundfile then
[10:33] <Knowerrors> Dr_Willis: yeah, I never used automatix or easyubuntu, but this one caught me bein lazy
[10:33] <insomnd> Conexant SmartAMCi Audio Modem Codec (AMC) CX20468-31?
[10:33] <LjL> nubuntu: you need either libsndfile0-dev or libsndfile1-dev, not sure which one yet
[10:34] <nubuntu> ok
[10:34] <renatosansevero> eobanb  I add the information and ran nmap command in external ip
[10:34] <LjL> nubuntu: libsndfile1-dev is ok
[10:34] <Knowerrors> Seveas: so what should I do now that Ive used his script? To get Firefox and plugins working again?
[10:34] <nubuntu> great
[10:34] <renatosansevero> eobanb  I retorned the port 22
[10:34] <Seveas> Knowerrors, I wouldn't be surprised if a reinstall comes along
[10:35] <Knowerrors> Seveas: whole system? or just FF? (btw, Im running Kubuntu 5.10)
[10:35] <renatosansevero> eobanb  seems to being working fine... but it still doesn't work when I try to use ssh "external IP"
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> Knowerrors,  i think they need to work on a better over all 'system' for doing such things actually. and quit all the bickering..
[10:35] <Seveas> Knowerrors, at least FF, and if you did not use too much of automatix that'll be it
[10:35] <dell500> how do you untar something again?
[10:35] <Seveas> dell500, tar x filename.tar
[10:35] <hmpedersen> jenda, i take it, its pretty close to 'kokot jeden pojebany' or 'Zmrde zkurvenej'...
[10:35] <Cybb_laptop> when using "sudo" before a command, does that automaticly restrict one from using tab completion?
[10:36] <LjL> Cybb_laptop: yes, but you can fix that
[10:36] <Seveas> Cybb_laptop, yes
[10:36] <Seveas> the programmable completion for sudo is busted :)
[10:36] <hmpedersen> and yeah.. that is very ot :P
[10:36] <silverton> dell500, tar x[j/z] f foo.tar
[10:36] <eobanb> renatosansevero, are you running sshd?
[10:36] <_jason> Cybb_laptop, edit your .bashrc look for completion
[10:36] <shadox> hello
[10:36] <LjL> Cybb_laptop: edit ~/.bashrc and look at the last few lines
[10:36] <Knowerrors> Seveas: good, I never used automatix... so is this http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/45917/index.html or this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion a better howto?
[10:36] <LjL> Seveas: bah, works well enough for me, just some quirks once in a while
[10:36] <Seveas> Knowerrors, the latter
[10:36] <Cybb_laptop> oki thanks
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> Knowerrors,   if you REALLY need some updated program. there the 'autopackage' system  . or the 'klik' package system - that can install sutff on a per user basis. and thus not trash th whole system. :P
[10:37] <fletch33> anyone tell me how i can get a program in wine to recognize a usb com port
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> but those 2 may not be as up to date.
[10:37] <Seveas> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww autopackage
[10:37] <Seveas> don't use that word in here
[10:37] <Knowerrors> lol
[10:37] <renatosansevero> eobanb sure...
[10:37] <fletch33> i am using bitpim a phone software and in runs fine in wine but it doesnt recognize the phone or any com ports
[10:37] <jenda_busy> lol
[10:37] <Seveas> really, autopackage is evil
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> Seveas,  been testing it out.. havent seen any issues so far.. klik  finially started working also.
[10:37] <Knowerrors> yeah, after getting burned, Id rather do it manually, get all the plugins proper w/o breaking stuff
[10:38] <renatosansevero> eobanb i have just connected with my local network ip address in ssh now
[10:38] <shadox> can anyone tell me how to get xmms, so i can play mp3's?
[10:38] <Seveas> apt-get install xmms
[10:38] <fletch33> i looked everywhere and i have been looking for 3 days i could really use some help with this
[10:38] <shadox> don't work
[10:38] <shadox> it sais
[10:38] <eobanb> renatosansevero, i really dont know
[10:38] <silverton> shadox, getting xmms won't help you
[10:38] <silverton> !mp3
[10:38] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:38] <shadox> can't find package
[10:38] <renatosansevero> eobanb ??
[10:38] <shadox> i also downloaded the w32 codecs
[10:38] <Seveas> shadox, enable universe (and multiverse while you're at it)
[10:38] <eobanb> renatosansevero, i DON'T KNOW, i'm unfamiliar with your hardware
[10:39] <nomin> I recently installed ubuntu as 3rd OS on my pc.  I would like to mount ubuntu partitions on mandriva, but I'm having trouble typing the right stuff into /etc/fstab.  It mounts it on mandriva but once I reboot it automatically changed fstab back to original file...
[10:39] <hmpedersen> shadox, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:39] <chasmarang> There is no gmc, rox or konqueror!
[10:39] <renatosansevero> please... someone HELP ME... is that so difficult to allow SSH connection for others....
[10:39] <eobanb> nomin, you're going to have to ask in a mandriva channel for that one...
[10:39] <nomin> can anyone help me out with the last line in my fstab?
[10:39] <shadox> thnx, i'll give it a tray
[10:39] <hmpedersen> shadox, then uncomment the universe and multiverse repositories..
[10:39] <silverton> fletch33, it prolly won't work, since the software prolly needs direct access to the ports
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> renatosansevero,  i never noticed it being hard.
[10:39] <silverton> wine is just emualtion software
[10:40] <eobanb> nomin, if mandriva is overwriting your fstab then it's a mandriva problem not an ubuntu problem, that it's an ubuntu partition is coincidental
[10:40] <jorgp> anyone know where the doc is that shows how to install ubuntu inside a chroot environment?
[10:40] <renatosansevero> Dr_Willis and so...?
[10:40] <hmpedersen> shadox, after that, do sudo apt-get update
[10:40] <fletch33> silverton, there is no way to direct it there
[10:40] <dsl9017> Hi there
[10:40] <_jason> renatosansevero, make sure port 22 is opened, that's all I had to do
[10:40] <silverton> fletch33, no
[10:40] <chasmarang> Dr_Willis: There is no gmc, rox or konqueror! and nautilus crashes all the time what can I use
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> renatosansevero,  install the sshd demon..  check your firewalls.. see if you can ssh in locally.
[10:40] <eobanb> Dr_Willis, we've been through that
[10:40] <renatosansevero> 22/tcp  open  ssh
[10:40] <Knowerrors> Seveas: so theres no repos, including yours, that have FF 1.5 deb?
[10:40] <nomin> ok
[10:41] <eobanb> Dr_Willis, it's some problem with his nat device not forwarding ports
[10:41] <fletch33> silverton, they make a linux version of the software tmiliar on how to install ithat is a .rpm but i am not fa
[10:41] <crimsun> chasmarang: rox, mc are available from universe
[10:41] <eobanb> and i'm unfamiliar with how his web configuration works
[10:41] <Seveas> Knowerrors, for breezy there will most likely never be one
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> chasmarang,  use to do what?
[10:41] <fletch33> silverton, sorry bad typing
[10:41] <dsl9017> Is there anyone who can help me with my Kubuntu installation? Something went wrong and now I get "Failed to load operating system" at boot.
[10:41] <shadox> i'm yet in the sources
[10:41] <SAM_theman> !tell SAM_theman about firefox
[10:41] <crimsun> chasmarang: rox-filer, sorry.
[10:41] <silverton> fletch33, google on how to use alien to convert that .rpm to a .deb
[10:41] <SAM_theman> !tell SAM_theman about firefox 1.5
[10:41] <chasmarang> see folders with swf files in them
[10:41] <shadox> what yet? there are a lot of lines starting with a #
[10:41] <fletch33> silverton, ok thanks for your help
[10:42] <silverton> fletch33, no problem dude
[10:42] <chasmarang> Dr_Willis: To see folders with swf files in them
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> chasmarang,  ive often uised firefox and its  'file load' feature.
[10:42] <Knowerrors> Seveas: do I need to do any removing/cleanup from Arnieboys before I do the wiki FF1.5 install?
[10:42] <hmpedersen> shadox, look at them.. there is one saying "Uncomment the following... "
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> to view swf ive downloaded.
[10:42] <shadox> j
[10:42] <shadox> yes, right
[10:42] <Navire> Qemu in the Breezy are build with kqemu plugin?
[10:42] <LjL> qemu
[10:42] <natex> dsl9017, in your bios settings, make sure the device that the bootloader was installed to, is set to boot the machine
[10:42] <LjL> Navire: no
[10:43] <LjL> qemu
[10:43] <Navire> Ok
[10:43] <shadox> euhm
[10:43] <chasmarang> Dr_Willis: yeah but when I want to right click and change permissions I cant
[10:43] <chasmarang> or edit
[10:43] <shadox> actualy there are 4 lines starting with ## uncomment the fol....
[10:43] <Seveas> Knowerrors, probably
[10:43] <Nytryx> e
[10:43] <renatosansevero> Dr_Willis  i have done all ... sshd is running ok.,  i don't have firewalls, and i can connect in my ip locally... now i'd like to know if someone from other network can connect to my ip ... I mean... i cant give them my internal network IP address... but it doesn't work to forward my internal IP into my external IP ...
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> chasmarang,  you just lost me.. :P
[10:43] <Navire> Someone wish kqemu on ubutub breezy - http://oui.com.br/n/content.php?article.21
[10:43] <LjL> qemu
[10:43] <dsl9017> Natex, I didn't think the bootloader was installed yet. I quit the installation after the 'install base system' step.
[10:43] <Seveas> !qemu
[10:43] <LjL> qemu
[10:44] <ubotu> I guess qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[10:44] <Dr_Fie> my ubuntu cd order is taking forever
[10:44] <_jason> Knowerrors, read the removing part in the wiki.  His script is basically the wiki in script form.  He added a divert for the mozilla-firefox symlink too.
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> renatosansevero,  check some of the web based scanner tools - to scan your network and see if they can detect your ssh port perhaps being open.
[10:44] <Seveas> Dr_Fie, it should take 4-6 weeks
[10:44] <navarone> Dr_Fate, good things come to those that wait...:)
[10:44] <Knowerrors> _jason: thx
[10:44] <navarone> Dr Fie rather
[10:44] <navarone> Lotta doctors here...is it an ama meeting?
[10:44] <Dr_Fie> Seveas: it's been about 2 months now i believe
[10:45] <renatosansevero> Dr_Willis  can you try to connect to my ip... ?
[10:45] <natex> dsl9017, That may be a problem ;)
[10:45] <Seveas> Dr_Fie, that's a bit longer than expected
[10:45] <renatosansevero> perhaps it's working and i dont know
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> renatosansevero,  if you want :P
[10:45] <renatosansevero> Dr_Willis ok
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> renatosansevero,  msg it to me if ya want to
[10:45] <renatosansevero> Dr_Willis but i can't private
[10:45] <Dr_Fie> Seveas: yeah :-/
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> paste it here then. :P lol
[10:45] <renatosansevero> Dr_Willis i'm not registered yet
[10:45] <Dr_Fie> i did order 60 thought
[10:45] <Dr_Fie> though
[10:45] <renatosansevero> Dr_Willis  lol
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> it takes 10 sec to register your nick.
[10:46] <Dr_Fie> lol @ all the Drs
[10:46] <Dr_Willis> unless they did some silly email thing now.
[10:46] <renatosansevero> eheho
[10:46] <renatosansevero> already registered
[10:46] <renatosansevero>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[10:46] <chasmarang> Dr_Willis: I used to be able to open a folder with nautilus that had swf files in them and work on files in that folder with a click now nautilus crashes when I open any folder with swf files in them
[10:46] <dsl9017> natex, my install DVD is faulty. Will it help if I install again with a new install CD?
[10:46] <renatosansevero> ok
[10:46] <Dr_Fie> Dr_Willis: his tiblia has suffered from a minor fracture how shall we procede?
[10:46] <Dr_Fie> blahahaha
[10:46] <Knowerrors> _jason: Seveas , wonder how well this http://kidsquid.com/programs/ubuntu/firefox-1.5.0-0nonfree1_i386.tar.gz works?
[10:46] <fletch33> silverton,  i have alien installed can u tell me where to find it to get it going.
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> I belive we must remove his Medula Oblogonta and replace it with a small shell script.
[10:47] <_jason> Knowerrors, I would go with the wiki, it works fine for me
[10:47] <silverton> fletch33, should just be able to type alien in a terminal
[10:47] <renatosansevero> Dr_Willis private me
[10:47] <HeMan> Hi! Anyone knows if xorg is compiled for 686 (and above) only in Dapper?
[10:47] <Dr_Fie> Dr_Willis: RIGHT!
[10:47] <silverton> other then that dude, you're on your own ,I've never used it before
[10:47] <poningru> HeMan: no
[10:47] <Knowerrors> _jason: but I should start with the remove part right? to clean what the script did?
[10:47] <fletch33> silverton,  thanks
[10:47] <HeMan> When i try it on my Pentium 233 i get an SIGILL (4)
[10:48] <jedyyyyy> speeak spanish x_X?
[10:48] <Dr_Pedersen> Well.. There are many doctors in here right now, Dr_Fie.. I agree with you on that :P
[10:48] <_jason> Knowerrors, yes, I would open the script up and read it to make sure you undo everything
[10:48] <jedyyyyy> alguien k hable spaol?
[10:48] <Seveas> !tell jedyyyyy about es
[10:48] <jedyyyyy> oks
[10:48] <natex> dsl9017, yes, make sure that the bootloader gets installed
[10:48] <Dr_Fie> Dr_Pedersen: i just added the Dr_ part about 3 months ago as a joke and it stuck
[10:48] <chasmarang> Dr_Willis: Dr_Willis: I used to be able to open a folder with nautilus that had swf files in them and work on files in that folder with a click now nautilus crashes when I open any folder with swf files in them.
[10:48] <poningru> HeMan: hmm thats 386 it should work
[10:48] <poningru> brb
[10:48] <Dr_Pedersen> heh
[10:49] <God_Pedersen> :)
[10:49] <Dr_Fie> lol
[10:49] <dsl9017> natex, thanks, I'm going to try it. I'm very happy with my DSL live CD now...!
[10:49] <hux> spokane
[10:49] <HeMan> poningru: any idea what SIGILL else could mean?
[10:49] <eksajm> how do i mount a usb mp3 player as a folder?
[10:49] <hmpedersen> now i dont think ill use that name :)
[10:49] <eruin> chasmarang, that sounds familiar... do you have python-nautilus installed?
[10:49] <shadox> i jut uncommeted the lines
[10:50] <shadox> and updated
[10:50] <renatosansevero> eobanb it's just working fine
[10:50] <renatosansevero> eobanb LOL
[10:50] <shadox> now xmms should work?
[10:50] <hmpedersen> shadox, good.. Then you should try again
[10:50] <natex> dsl9017, cool. good luck
[10:50] <erUSUL> HeMan, Dapper is not stable yet.
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> chasmarang,  as a test - try dissableing ALL 'file preview' options
[10:50] <chasmarang> eruin: I don't know
[10:50] <hmpedersen> shadox, sudo apt-get install xmms
[10:50] <eruin> erUSUL, depends on your definition of stable
[10:50] <shadox> nope
[10:50] <shadox> it still doesn't work
[10:50] <eksajm> anyone knows how to mount a usb device? any special program I need to install?
[10:51] <hmpedersen> hmm..
[10:51] <HeMan> erUSUL: i know, but xorg in dapper works fine on my pentium m and my amd64
[10:51] <oxez> Hi, I tryied installing kubuntu-desktop, and removed it immetialy (with my previously saved package selection). And now look what my gnome desktop looks like: http://24.122.115.48/Capture.png . I have not changed any fonts/size. The gnome-panel font is way too big now.. why!?
[10:51] <natex> eruin, are you using dapper?
[10:51] <shadox> it sais
[10:51] <Dr_Fie> crap... does gnome have a lilo configuration program?
[10:51] <eruin> chasmarang, could you open a terminal and paste the output of dpkg -l python-nautilus to me in a PM ?
[10:51] <eruin> natex, ofcourse ;)
[10:51] <shadox> unvalid operation xmms
[10:51] <hmpedersen> i dont remember if i got xmms from apt or from a website..
[10:51] <hmpedersen> shadox..
[10:52] <hmpedersen> u need to do apt-get install xmms
[10:52] <natex> eruin, cool, how is it? stable? better than 5.10?
[10:52] <shadox> yes
[10:52] <shadox> i did
[10:52] <eruin> natex, better, and less stable than 5.10 ofcourse ;)
[10:52] <erUSUL> eruin, is the developer's definition not mine ;)
[10:52] <natex> eruin, heh. I meant "better" as in "neater"
[10:53] <eruin> natex, I don't have any problems at all with it (apart from missing openGL, but you might have a different experience ;)
[10:53] <shadox> aaah, my beg
[10:53] <shadox> forget the "install" part :$:$
[10:53] <hmpedersen> remember the install :P
[10:53] <eruin> natex, well, at the moment it's pretty much the same, apart from the fact that most things are updated
[10:53] <shadox> yes i will :D
[10:53] <hmpedersen> i thought u might notice it if i stayed quiet for a moment :)
[10:53] <natex> eruin, can you tell me about the gimp? which version?
[10:53] <amikron> hi there
[10:54] <eruin> natex, I don't think you should expect anything truly groundbreaking for dapper, since its main goal is to be a rock solid, supportable platform ;)
[10:54] <shadox> :) it just, i'm new to ubuntu
[10:54] <eruin> natex, 2.2.9
[10:54] <cor1y> ok help someone, just finished a third compile of vlc, plain old vanilla version and it still tells me I NEED the wxplugin , no mention in ./configure list now that
[10:54] <Nytryx> shadox
[10:54] <Nytryx> whats upo
[10:54] <cor1y> i installed the dev version wxwidgets
[10:54] <shadox> in windows you did never had to "get apt" 'n  :D
[10:54] <hmpedersen> shadox, welcome then :)
[10:54] <amikron> i am a newbie, i need a little help, can i ask a quiestion ?
[10:54] <zardoz> Anybody here know something about converting filenames to utf-8?
[10:54] <Kyral> cor1y: why are you compiling VLC?
[10:54] <natex> eruin, crap. ok thanks for fielding my questions.
[10:54] <shadox> thnx
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> amikron,  you just did. :P care to ask another?
[10:55] <hmpedersen> shadox, remember.. errare humanum est..
[10:55] <cor1y> funny enough I download  the ubuntu version and that works
[10:55] <shadox> and that would mean? :D
[10:55] <amikron> well i got 50 ubuntu cds, and i tried one of them.
[10:55] <cor1y> well I'm coming from windows and I have a lot of  home movies done in mv
[10:55] <hmpedersen> shadox, it is human to fail :)
[10:55] <cor1y> wmv3
[10:55] <Kyral> ah
[10:55] <shadox> :D
[10:55] <cor1y> and vlc can simply convert
[10:55] <amikron> i installed and it boots up
[10:55] <cor1y> from that to mpeg4
[10:55] <hmpedersen> shadx, trial by error is the best way to learn :)
[10:56] <Kyral> you need wxwidgets2.6
[10:56] <cor1y> avidemux or kino
[10:56] <cor1y> can't do it
[10:56] <amikron> but it didn't asked me for root pass
[10:56] <shadox> learing also latin :D
[10:56] <hmpedersen> heh
[10:56] <eruin> cor1y, any particular reason you're trying to compile vlc?
[10:56] <Kyral> ubotu tell amikron about RootSudo
[10:56] <shadox> so, now that i got xmms, it would mean i should be able to play mp3's?
[10:56] <zardoz> anybody knows something about using convmv?
[10:56] <cor1y> oyes I want to custome add wmv3 support
[10:56] <Kyral> amikron: our friendly b0t should have just PM
[10:57] <cor1y> I plan to ditch windows
[10:57] <Kyral> 'd you a link
[10:57] <shadox> errara human est, isn't that latin?
[10:57] <Estel> amikron, when did you expect it to ask you?
[10:57] <hmpedersen> shadox, you still need mp3 libs.. i guess some1 else could tell u.. im straining my neck typin like this..
[10:57] <hmpedersen> yeah..
[10:57] <Kyral> shadox: only XMMS and Beep Media Player have MP3 support out of the box
[10:57] <amikron> thx
[10:57] <sedat> I have problem about divx playing
[10:57] <amikron> during the install properties
[10:57] <hmpedersen> kyral, i didnt know that..
[10:58] <ljl> ok, for the guy who was asking about kqemu -- i've had some problems with IRC (don't ask), but...
[10:58] <hmpedersen> ds
[10:58] <Knowerrors> _jason: can I uninstall FF 1.07 when Im happy with 1.5? (remember Im using kde, so no FF depending apps I think)
[10:58] <Kyral> amikron: did you get a PMSG from Ubotu?
[10:58] <ljl> !kqemu
[10:58] <ubotu> methinks kqemu is a *closed-source* kernel module for speeding up the !QEmu virtual machine. You need to compile your own version of QEmu to use KQEmu on it; instructions to do this can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KQEmu
[10:58] <eruin> cor1y, try this: download and install the .deb listed here: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs , then use synaptic or apt-get to install the package called totem-xine
[10:58] <hmpedersen> shadox, then u should be good to go :)
[10:58] <shadox> ok, i thnQ very much for ya help (k) ;)=D
[10:58] <eruin> cor1y, works like a charm
[10:58] <sedat> I am using totem I see the film but I recognized that video coming after audio
[10:58] <Estel> amikron, as bot told you, the password for your first user becomes the password for root
[10:58] <Estel> As bot probably told you anyway ;)
[10:58] <_jason> Knowerrors, if you are using kde, *I think (I don't use kde) you should be fine.  In gnome it would cause some problems.
[10:58] <Kyral> ubotu tell amikron about RootSudo
[10:58] <Estel> ubotu tell Estel about RootSudo
[10:58] <cor1y> ok I'll give it a try
[10:58] <jenda_busy> How do I check if I have the mplayer plugin in firefox enabled?
[10:59] <_jason> jenda_busy, about:plugins
[10:59] <sedat> how can I change the totem settings that I can show the correct codec path for it
[10:59] <eruin> cor1y, I'm assuming here that you're using gnome as your desktop, not kde ;)
[10:59] <eksajm> hello! shouldnt hotplug detect that the usb device i have connected to the usb, is a device and mount it for me? or do i have to configure it a lot?
[10:59] <amikron> thx i got the msg
[10:59] <cor1y> yep
[10:59] <cor1y> gnome it is
[10:59] <eobanb> eksajm, generally usb mass storage should Just Work...
[10:59] <silverton> eksajm, thumbdrives should detect automatically
[11:00] <sedat> how can I change the totem settings that I can show the correct codec path for it
[11:00] <silverton> my 128MB thumbdrive shouldn't be considered "mass storage" >.<
[11:00] <eksajm> eobanb, silverton it is a iaudio mp3 player
[11:00] <eruin> sedat, gstreamer0.8 (which totem currently uses) has some audio/video issues... you could wait for dapper (which will probably have gstreamer0.10) or install the totem-xine package
[11:00] <sethk> eksajm, if the device is not formatted, or your kernel is configured without the file system type, it wouldn't mount
[11:00] <eksajm> but i get the message that it couldn be mountdfe no driver detected on /dev/sda
[11:00] <crimsun> silverton: compared with 1.44 MiB, it's quite "mass" storage.
[11:00] <silverton> eksajm, if the filesystem is fat/fat32, it should just work
[11:00] <silverton> crimsun, I guess, rofl
[11:00] <eksajm> silverton, hum i dont know what filesystem it has
[11:00] <sethk> eksajm, kernel support is missing then
[11:01] <eksajm> okey. .;/
[11:01] <Cybb_laptop> anyone who have had problems with licq due to "couldnt open qt-gui plugin etc"?
[11:01] <eksajm> can i detect what i should add to the kernel ?
[11:01] <sethk> eksajm, might be fixable using modprobe
[11:01] <sedat> eruin, I already use totem-xine but still have the problem
[11:01] <amikron> Estel: the passwords dont match :(
[11:01] <silverton> eksajm, type lsusb in a terminal and see if it's listed
[11:01] <eruin> sedat, you could also profit from installing the .deb from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs
[11:01] <eksajm> sethk, kk do you have any idee what the module is called?
[11:01] <sethk> eksajm, there is probably a module already compiled.  modprobe should find it for you
[11:01] <Knowerrors> _jason: I followed the wiki, but when I type firefox, it still wants to launch 1.07, why not 1.5?
[11:01] <sedat> eruin, I already have that also
[11:01] <eksajm> modprove usb then?
[11:01] <Estel> amikron, Which? Root will *always* be the password of the first user you created in installation.
[11:02] <eruin> sedat, then I'm out of ideas, sorry ;-)
[11:02] <silverton> eksajm, no, type lsusb in a terminal and see if the device is listed
[11:02] <Kyral> amikron: use Sudo
[11:02] <_jason> Knowerrors, you need to do the dpkg divert command
[11:02] <sethk> eksajm, possible the dmesg output (where it said no driver) will give you a hint about the name of the driver
[11:02] <_jason> Knowerrors, and then createa  new symlink
[11:02] <eobanb> what is amikron's problem?
[11:02] <eobanb> something about sudo?
[11:02] <sedat> eruin, but I am curios about how I can change the totem settings that totem uses the win32codecs
[11:02] <Estel> amikron, you aren't allowed to log in as root through GNOME
[11:02] <Estel> without doing odd stuff...
[11:02] <_jason> sedat, are you using totem-xine?
[11:02] <jenda_busy> _jason: Thanks. How do I install the plugin?
[11:02] <eksajm> sethk, silverton when i start up the compuer i get some error for module dependencies "couldnt load due to read only device" or something
[11:03] <ltibor65> Hi, guys! I have Windows XP, Ubuntu 5.10 and an other linux system on the Computer. Can I add this other linux to Grub loader, too?
[11:03] <sedat> jason, yes
[11:03] <juan_> Hey men,,, try to download XMMS
[11:03] <rambo3> like enbling it in gdm setup
[11:03] <Ophiocus> is there anyway i can force the update packages from the update manager to download to a specific location?
[11:03] <_jason> !info mplayerplug-in
[11:03] <eksajm> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0e21:0602 Cowon Systems, Inc.
[11:03] <eksajm> silverton, sethk
[11:03] <eksajm> thats the lsusb
[11:03] <juan_> for me is better than totem
[11:03] <sethk> eksajm, that's odd
[11:03] <sethk> eksajm, get the exact error message about the dependencies
[11:03] <eobanb> Ophiocus, can you be more specific
[11:03] <jenda_busy> !mplayer
[11:03] <ubotu> well, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[11:03] <amikron> i didnt try to log in the gnome
[11:04] <jenda_busy> !plugins
[11:04] <ubotu> jenda_busy: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[11:04] <_jason> jenda_busy, mozilla-mplayer is the package name
[11:04] <eobanb> the update manager installs the packages for you, so i dont know why you would want to put them somewhere else
[11:04] <Estel> ltibor65, yes you can :)
[11:04] <amikron> i am reading the sudo man right now =8] 
[11:04] <action09> hi :) i'm trying to find why some gnome apps crash on Breezy, and i found some posts asking me to reconfigure locales.. but i'm French, hwat locales do i need doing 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'  please ?
[11:04] <eksajm> sethk, how?
[11:04] <eksajm> dmesg?
[11:04] <action09> the error i have is '(xchat:8228): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed'
[11:04] <ltibor65> Estel, how can I do it?
[11:04] <zardoz> anybody who can teach a total n00b about utf8-conersion?? I really need some help. I've been trying all day!!!
[11:05] <jenda_busy> _jason:
[11:05] <jenda_busy> _jason:thanx :)
[11:05] <zardoz> utf-8 conVersion of course
[11:05] <fletch33> silverton,  sorry to bother you but i have 1 more ?. i converted it to .deb so then how do i install it
[11:05] <_jason> jenda_busy, np
[11:05] <eobanb> dpkg -i, fletch33
[11:05] <silverton> fletch33, dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:05] <wims> which file do i set my repositories in again?
[11:05] <silverton> with sudo on the front
[11:05] <Ophiocus> i want all updates to download to another partition, i am experimenting installing ubuntu on the same machine with diferent install settings and hardware configurations, i figured i could save time if i had all the updates saved to disk so i could simply install them from there instead of downloading them every time
[11:05] <eobanb> wims, /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:05] <Estel> ltibor65, you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst appropiately
[11:06] <fletch33> silverton,  ok thanks
[11:06] <eksajm> silverton, how do i found out error messages from during boot?
[11:06] <eobanb> Ophiocus, that's really tricky to do
[11:06] <silverton> eksajm, dmesg
[11:06] <amikron> thx guys i am root now! ;] 
[11:07] <wims> eobanb, thanks
[11:07] <LjL> amikron: uhm, i'm not too sure you should be thankful for that, unless by "being root" you mean "using sudo"
[11:07] <Estel> ltibor65, you need to know the partition etc for the other distro, and copy a line with the Ubuntu boot details, altering it for the other DISTRO. Don't mess it up :s
[11:07] <Ophiocus> hmm,. ok how bout locating them downloaded packages and moving them to another place after install, what i want is not to have to download an aditional 51 megs after i reinstall the os
[11:07] <eksajm> silverton, Dec 17 14:50:57 localhost kernel: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled.
[11:07] <Nomikos> trying to install mysql-server-4.1, fresh Ubuntu install, i am guessing i need to change repositories, that right?
[11:07] <erUSUL> Ophiocus, you can mount the patition under /var/cache/apt/archives/
[11:08] <Estel> LjL: Oh it isn't... *that* bad ;)
[11:08] <Dr_Fie> .yawn.
[11:08] <erUSUL> Ophiocus, in all the systems
[11:08] <Ophiocus> thats where all downloaded updates go?
[11:08] <LjL> Estel: well, from what i've heard, it's not too good either... and i still can't grasp what's bad or uncomfortable with using sudo, personally
[11:08] <erUSUL> Ophiocus, do an ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ and find out ;)
[11:08] <Patartre> Hello, is there a command in ubuntu to erase MBR, as fdisk /mbr with the win XP CD ?
[11:09] <LjL> Patartre: "mbr" i suppose
[11:09] <Estel> LjL, nor can I. I think it might just be ease, especially if doing lots of admin stuff endlessly and wanted a root environment.
[11:09] <erUSUL> Patartre, no that i know of
[11:09] <fletch33> silverton,  ok it set it was setting up in the terminal. now how do i find it
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> pars,   fdisk /mbr dosent 'erase' the mbr. it writes a NEW mbr...
[11:09] <LjL> Estel: in that case, "sudo -i" is your friend
[11:09] <Estel> On my first distro, root was my only user because I didn't care about system intergrity.
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> pars, you can use dd - and 'zero' out the mbr if you really really wanted to...
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> but i forget the right dd options.
[11:10] <ltibor65> Estel, can both Linux bootable in Grub at the same time?
[11:10] <sethk> Estel, that's not the only reason to not run as root.  You can make mistakes that can cost you many hours to undo.  Having to explicitly become root gives you a few moments to think.
[11:10] <Estel> ltibor65, yes, they can as long as they have separate correct entries
[11:10] <Patartre> "dd" is a shell command ?
[11:10] <okih> I'm trying to install an Nvidia driver but when I disable the X server and go to install the driver, there is an error about there being no gcc complier or something. i have gcc installed though
[11:11] <rickest> Patartre: yes, a very powerful one
[11:11] <silverton> fletch33, it'll prolly be in the same directory where you ran the command
[11:11] <sethk> okih, "no gcc compiler or something" is not an error we can help you with.  Get the error, not something vaguely like it
[11:11] <burnt-toast> a quick couple of questions... does ubuntu use apt?
[11:11] <Estel> seth_k, I've enought of a n00b that I'm just as likely to make those mistakes with or without sudo ;)
[11:11] <Patartre> Many thanks, i'll find out
[11:11] <Estel> burnt-toast, yes it does
[11:12] <fletch33> silverton, well i had the setup files in my home folder then i ran alien in a terminal it said it was setting up and then went back to a prompt
[11:12] <Estel> burnt-toast, though the .debs aren't binary compatible with Debian
[11:12] <burnt-toast> ok thanks estel... one more quick question... how do you install a package and give it the answers to its questions ahead of time... (like an answer file or --question=answer type command line stuff)
[11:12] <ltibor65> Thanks, Estel, I try to change the grub menu.
[11:12] <sethk> Estel, not really.  You might (one hopes) say to yourself, "what I meant to do shouldn't require root, therefore I must be doing something else, something I don't intend to do."
[11:12] <ala> Hi there. Can I just throw a question at the channel here, or are there special rules to respect? (Apart from reading man and google for the problem)
[11:13] <sethk> ala, the rule is not to ask whether you can ask.  just ask.
[11:13] <Estel> :s
[11:13] <Ophiocus> ouch, thats like, full of stuff
[11:13] <burnt-toast> i want to automate the install of some packages after installation of (an) OS based on apt. but I want to pre-set the answers to the package installation process
[11:14] <Estel> burnt-toast, Offer the question to the room, sorry, don't know that much about it (I imagine scripting...)
[11:15] <burnt-toast> oops was not ment to be directly to you
[11:15] <burnt-toast> was just a question to any that can answer sry
[11:15] <ala> Since I upgraded from Hoary to Breeze, I seem to have network problems. The interface eth0 does no longer seem to pick up on the DHCP settings. Could the problem be IPv6 related? I have tried disabling IPv6, but I don't seem to succeed. Any suggestions? Looking in the /var/log files, the eth comes up at 100Mb as expected
[11:15] <Squee-D> burnt-toast look at chat?
[11:15] <erUSUL> burnt-toast, apt-get -y (assume yes)
[11:16] <Estel> ala, how did you upgrade?
[11:16] <fletch33> silverton, well i cant find it to start it up
[11:16] <Estel> complete reinstall?
[11:16] <ala> With the gnome GUI, going to System-> Networking and then "deactivating" the ethernet inteface takes forever. I mean never stops
[11:16] <ProN00b> did you check its settings, ala, did you try bringing it up with ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 ? ala
[11:16] <burnt-toast> ala sometimes kernel version will change which number the network adapter is assigned (generally if you have more than one)
[11:16] <fletch33> silverton,  feeling retarded
[11:16] <sethk> ala, which ethernet card or chipset do you have?
[11:16] <ala> Estel, The upgade was in fact a completely new install on unused partitions
[11:16] <ala> ProN00b, yes I tried ifup/down
[11:16] <Squee-D> burnt-toast my ubuntu machine just fell off the network but 'chat' is a good tool for automating another application (through stdin/out)
[11:16] <burnt-toast> erUSUL: I want to specify answers though..
[11:17] <Squee-D> otherwise. id tell you what package its in
[11:17] <burnt-toast> hmm
[11:17] <burnt-toast> ill look into chat
[11:17] <burnt-toast> Squee-D: thanks
[11:17] <ala> sethk, THe chipset is RealTek RTL8139
[11:17] <ProN00b> ala, if you are using dhcp ifup should tell you something abpit it
[11:17] <Dr_Fie> chrooting to another distro is fun yay!
[11:17] <sethk> ala, sometimes with realtek changing to the alternate driver helps
[11:18] <fletch33> how can i search ubu to find a program?
[11:18] <sethk> ala, does the network come and go, or does it never work?
[11:18] <Squee-D> burnt-toast no problem. you might find a lot of examples relating to modems.. thats not all it's good for :)
[11:18] <fletch33> i installed it but i dont know where? LOL
[11:18] <ala> ProN00b, problem is, once the PC booted, the ifdown never return the prompt
[11:18] <erUSUL> burnt-toast, install expect
[11:18] <sethk> ala, does dhcp every succeed, or does it fail every time?
[11:19] <ala> sethk some times there is no problem (say once every 10 or 20 tries), and everything works fine
[11:19] <Dr_Fie> burnt-toast?
[11:19] <burnt-toast> yeah im here
[11:19] <sethk> ala, I'm having similar problems with intel pro/100 and marvell gigabit
[11:19] <oxez> Hi, I tryied installing kubuntu-desktop, and removed it immetialy (with my previously saved package selection). And now look what my gnome desktop looks like: http://24.122.115.48/Capture.png . I have not changed any fonts/size. The gnome-panel font is way too big now.. why!?
[11:19] <bungle> hi
[11:19] <burnt-toast> just trying to google while I have #debian and #ubuntu open at the same time :-p
[11:20] <juan_> HOW CASN I PUT 3DDESKTOP ON UBUNTU
[11:20] <juan_> WHAT COMAND
[11:20] <juan_> APT _???????????????
[11:20] <sethk> ala, I have a tentative theory that it is an interrupt sharing problem, but if you have only one NIC that blows my theory out of the water.
[11:20] <sethk> juan_, SHOUTING DOESN'T HELP
[11:21] <erUSUL> juan_, do not yell here...
[11:21] <silverton> juan_, you'll get no where with the caps lock key on
[11:21] <ala> sethk, how do I change to an alternate driver? And why was this never a problem before.
[11:21] <Estel> Do we have anti-shouting bots? ;)
[11:21] <Dr_Fie> juan_: apt-get install stfu
[11:21] <ala> sethk, I used to have more NIC installed. Now it's just the one. But I will have a look next time I boot for the IRQ
[11:21] <DUNFreak> Hey... quick question. How do I get Nautilus to burn 700Mo CDR's ?
[11:21] <juan_> ok sorry
[11:21] <juan_> thanks
[11:22] <juan_> let me try it
[11:22] <fletch33> anyone have any idea how i can search for a package i installed in a terminal but i dont know where it is to start it?
[11:22] <Dr_Fie> apt-get install 3ddesktop
[11:22] <Dr_Fie> or just open synaptic
[11:22] <Dr_Fie> synaptic pwns my world
[11:22] <mario12> hi, how can I download ncurses??
[11:23] <Chris_Tucker> anyone here expierenced with vmware?
[11:23] <erUSUL> mario12, apt-get install ncurses
[11:23] <dooglus> mario12: synaptic package manager will download and install it for you
[11:23] <DUNFreak> Chris_Tucker, I'm running it at this precice moment. Whatcha need? :P
[11:23] <juan_> ok Dr. fie and after that
[11:23] <roy> im into music
[11:23] <dooglus> erUSUL: you have to use the correct package name if you're going to use the command line.  there's no "ncurses"
[11:24] <mario12> i see
[11:24] <mario12> i've tried it several times
[11:24] <juan_> ok Dr. fie and after that
[11:24] <dooglus> mario12: there's "ncurses-base" and "ncurses-bin"
[11:24] <juan_> after apt-get install stfu
[11:24] <mario12> dooglus, what about ncurses-devel ?
[11:25] <Dr_Fie> juan_: it's not apt-get install stfu..
[11:25] <Dr_Fie> lol
[11:25] <dooglus> mario12: there's also evms-ncurses, libncurses5, libncurses5-dev, libncursesw5, and libncursesw5-dev
[11:25] <erUSUL> fletch33, dpkg -L <package name>
[11:25] <Chris_Tucker> DUNFreak, i am having a lot of trouble with my network interface, im using wifi (ndiswrapper driver'd) as my main connection, and when using a bridge for vmnet0 to wlan0, vmware crashes when an OS detects network devices
[11:25] <Dr_Fie> juan_: press alt+f2 and type in synaptic
[11:25] <juan_> ok
[11:25] <juan_> let me try it
[11:25] <DUNFreak> Chris_Tucker, sorry haven't touched Wireless yet with VMWare.
[11:26] <dooglus> Dr_Fie: I think synaptic should be run as root
[11:26] <fletch33> eruin, thanks
[11:26] <Dr_Fie> err.. correct...
[11:26] <dooglus> Dr_Fie: alt+f2 followed by "synaptic" will run it as the user who is running GNOME...
[11:26] <Dr_Fie> alt+ft then type: gksudo /usr/bin/synaptic
[11:26] <Dr_Fie> f2*
[11:26] <Chris_Tucker> DUNFreak, wireless shouldnt be the prob, i think its the ndiswrapper thats causing it... when i use eth0 it works fine, but i know im going to end up wanting to use wireless in vmware a lot
[11:27] <soundray> Chris_Tucker, is there no native driver for your device?
[11:27] <Chris_Tucker> soundray, not that i know of, broadcom, using driver BCMWL5
[11:28] <DUNFreak> Chris_Tucker, that's what I mean. I haven't tried wireless from within VMWare... I mean I'm using NAT Bridging, no trouble. But wireless, no clue.
[11:28] <mario12> I've tried 2 download ncurses: ubuntu@ubuntu:~/Desktop/ekg-1.6$ sudo apt-get install ncurses-bin Reading package lists... Done
[11:28] <mario12> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:28] <mario12> ncurses-bin is already the newest version.
[11:28] <mario12> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 113 not upgraded.
[11:28] <mario12> ubuntu@ubuntu:~/Desktop/ekg-1.6$
[11:28] <mario12> what's up?
[11:29] <soundray> Chris_Tucker, can you replace it with a natively supported one?
[11:29] <sethk> mario12, it's already installed.
[11:29] <Chris_Tucker> soundray, if there is one
[11:29] <sethk> mario12, if you want the older version also, you have to force the install
[11:29] <dooglus> mario12: what are you trying to do?
[11:29] <mario12> seth_k: whilst when in tryin to instal another app it goes: checking for ncurses/ncurses.h... no
[11:30] <sethk> mario12, that's not part of bin
[11:30] <soundray> Chris_Tucker, I mean natively supported hardware.
[11:30] <mario12> configure: error: You need ncurses and ncurses-devel packages.
[11:30] <dooglus> mario12: you'll need one of the "-dev" packages for that
[11:30] <sethk> mario12, those are source files
[11:30] <mario12> so what am i supposed to do?
[11:30] <sethk> mario12, and, it tells you, _right_ there, to install ncurses-devel
[11:30] <sklav> i love ubuntu but hate its freaking networking the way its called during init
[11:30] <sethk> mario12, so just do what it told you
[11:30] <dooglus> mario12: what are you trying to install?
[11:31] <fletch33> eruin,  what is the address of a site where i can post the package list for you to look at . i am not sure which is the executable file
[11:31] <sklav> a network restart doesnt start the eth0 interface
[11:31] <mario12> so i've installed ncurses, how install ncurses-devel?
[11:31] <merly> can anyone help me setup kino or dv in 64 bit ubuntu?
[11:31] <sethk> mario12, right
[11:31] <mario12> sudo apt-get install ncurses-devel-bin ?? it doesnt work
[11:31] <ala> sklav, I've been having the same problem. So far no sollution yet
[11:31] <mario12> E: Couldn't find package ncurses-devel-bin
[11:31] <dooglus> mario12: sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[11:31] <Chris_Tucker> soundray, not that i know of, do you know if the dlink DWL-G122 is supported? i may look in to buying a native mini pci card after christmas but cant do it right now
[11:32] <sklav> ala, and the damn thing is intermittant on top of everything
[11:32] <sethk> mario12, I didn't see anything in the message printed about something called devel-bin
[11:32] <erUSUL> !tell fletch33 about pastebin
[11:32] <sklav> almost miss the redhat init system
[11:32] <sethk> mario12, how can you install a package that doesn't exist?
[11:32] <linuxmaker> hi
[11:32] <fletch33> eruin, thanks i forgot the name
[11:32] <ala> sklav, indeed. Question: what graphical card do you use. And was this a problem before Breezy?
[11:32] <sklav> any plans on getting the redhat init system into ubuntu?
[11:32] <mario12> seth_k, works
[11:33] <erUSUL> sklav, no afaik
[11:33] <soundray> Chris_Tucker, don't know about the D-Link, but if you go shopping, try and get an Intel one.
[11:33] <sklav> ala, i started with breezy and i have since switched vid cards with ati and nvidia same issue
[11:33] <eruin> quit shouting at me! ;p
[11:33] <Chris_Tucker> soundray, gonna have to wait, i need a more immediate fix
[11:33] <oxez> Could anyone have a look @ http://24.122.115.48/Capture2.png - Since I installed/uninstalled kubuntu-desktop, gnome-panel and applications fonts are way too big.. I tryied reinstalling mscorefonts but it didn't help.
[11:33] <sklav> that should be a ubuntu project
[11:33] <fletch33> erUSUL, can u take a look at this for me real quick and tell me which is the executable  http://pastebin.ca/34008
[11:34] <ala> sklav, first I  thought it might have had something to do with IPv6. I'm not so sure now because Hoary had no problem with that module being enabled. Something weird with Breezy I would say
[11:34] <Delvien> What is the splash screen when you hit the login button on GDM and it shows whats loading, whats the name of that ?
[11:34] <rickest> fletch33: no, but I'd like to see the rest of that babe on your desktop
[11:34] <sklav> maybe get the redhat init system on ubuntu would be sweet
[11:34] <sethk> ala, I have ipv6 disabled.  It isn't related to ipv6.  Why would you think it would be related to ipv6?
[11:34] <sklav> other than that ubuntu is by far sweeter
[11:34] <grabakov> Hello again >^-^<
[11:35] <Estel> Delvien: Splash screen? Or do you want the file name?
[11:35] <heim> reel 14 ?
[11:35] <fletch33> rickest, what r u talking about
[11:35] <sklav> ala, i think its the way its called in the init cycle
[11:35] <grabakov> I was here yesterday with the hope that I might resolve an issue I've been having with Ubuntu.
[11:35] <Delvien> Estel well both, but i want to know what that splash is called. so i can replace uit, (ugly brown is not my style )
[11:35] <sklav> the slightest delay and the network is borked
[11:35] <sklav> or so my test have shown
[11:35] <ala> sklav, the way "what" is called?
[11:36] <sklav> hotplug and network
[11:36] <ala> could be
[11:36] <grabakov> X refuses to start and the error output from cat informs me that various files are missing - this is impossible considering it was a clean install and I hadn't used it since then.
[11:36] <fletch33> rickest,  are you trying to say that u can get in my computer? LOL
[11:36] <Shaquile> Im planning to run ubuntu as a server. Is there a special release or anything that I should download?
[11:36] <grabakov> All of these are fonts.
[11:36] <rickest> fletch33: sorry, wrong person  lol
[11:36] <eobanb> Shaquile, nope, just do the server install
[11:36] <sklav> Shaquile, breezy is a recommendation
[11:36] <kbrooks> Shaquile, i use ubuntu breezy as a server with gui
[11:36] <rickest> I meant oxez
[11:36] <SAM_theman> !tell SAM_theman about alsa
[11:36] <soundray> Chris_Tucker, DWL-G122 is supposed to work with the rt2500usb driver.
[11:36] <erUSUL> fletch33,
[11:36] <sklav> im using breezy also
[11:36] <Shaquile> sklav: Ok, thx =)
[11:36] <erUSUL> /usr/bin/bitfling and
[11:36] <erUSUL> /usr/bin/bitpim
[11:36] <eobanb> !server
[11:36] <ubotu> Ubuntu 5.10 Server is out! http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-October/000042.html
[11:36] <fletch33> erUSUL, yeah
[11:37] <amikron> i am getting packages right now, yeeey :))
[11:37] <oxez> rickest: hold on
[11:37] <ala> sklav, is there a way to change the order of init? make hotplug go before networking?
[11:37] <Chris_Tucker> soundray, can you link me?
[11:37] <Chris_Tucker> soundray, its great news
[11:37] <sklav> ala, i have doen that
[11:37] <rickest> oxez: j/k anyway  ;-)
[11:37] <oxez> rickest: ok :p
[11:37] <sklav> but if i issue a network restart after the system is up i loose eth0 sometimes
[11:38] <fletch33> erUSUL, i will try that thanks i will let u know
[11:38] <Estel> Delvien, /usr/share/pixmaps/splash and the file..
[11:38] <Estel> he left
[11:38] <Estel> !!!
[11:38] <ubotu> ??
[11:38] <merly> has anyone successfully used dv capture with kino on 64-bit breezy badger?
[11:38] <grabakov> Any ideas? There are no reasons for the missings files...
[11:38] <rednaxel> I'm having a keyboard problem with my laptop (ubuntu 5.10)... some ordinary keys (like the interrogation mark) are not correctly mapped
[11:39] <lightbright> hello
[11:39] <grabakov> lightbright can -you- help me? :(
[11:39] <rickest> rednaxel: have you tried different terms (Eterm, xterm, aterm) just to be sure it's not your term rathern than system?
[11:39] <lightbright> grabakov: with?
[11:39] <soundray> Chris_Tucker, check out http://www.acmesystems.it/?id=705
[11:39] <fletch33> erUSUL,  well bitpim is what i wanted but when i click on it i get that it is an executable file than i choose to run and nothing happens
[11:39] <grabakov> lightbright Ubuntu. I have just finished a clean install and I can't get X to start.
[11:40] <rednaxel> rickest, no... this is a G733, the interrogation mark is odd: it's Alt Gr + W
[11:40] <lightbright> grabakov: what video card do you have?
[11:40] <grabakov> lightbright the log informs me that there are missing files - all of them fonts.
[11:40] <sethk> rednaxel, which keyboard are you using?  which language?
[11:40] <grabakov> lightbright ATI ;)
[11:40] <amikron> ;] 
[11:41] <fletch33> erUSUL,  the icon has a text background with a small square diaganol brown in it with "sh" in the bottom right corner if that helps
[11:41] <rednaxel> sethk, it's portuguese (pt-br), ABNT2
[11:41] <Chris_Tucker> thanks soundray
[11:41] <ElitePete> can anyone help me with an vmware question, the channel seems to be dead.
[11:41] <grabakov> lightbright ?
[11:41] <sethk> rednaxel, the obvious thing to start with is the keyboard setting for NLS
[11:41] <rednaxel> sethk, all keys are allright, the only problem is this odd key combination
[11:42] <Chris_Tucker> soundray, maybe now i'll mod my DWL-G122 into my notebook so that its not sticking out of the side
[11:42] <sethk> rednaxel, you can use xmodmap to remap the character
[11:42] <lightbright> grabakov: what video card do you have?
[11:42] <soundray> Chris_Tucker, are you that kind of guy :)
[11:42] <Chris_Tucker> soundray, yea, i can do it, if i dont need that board thing i see at the top of that page
[11:43] <grabakov> lightbright ATI Radeon XPRESS 200m
[11:43] <sklav> how difficult would it be to port the redhat init system to ubuntu?
[11:43] <ElitePete> can anyone help me with an vmware question, the channel seems to be dead.
[11:43] <Dr_Fie> roar
[11:43] <Quiky> Hello all, is there any way to bypass a dependancy for a lib file without downgrading?   A downgrade wants to remove every package on the system including bash..
[11:43] <sethk> sklav, difficult, or at the very least, very tedious.  Why would you want to do that?  If you want red hat, run red hat
[11:43] <SAM_theman> !tell SAM_theman about cedega
[11:44] <soundray> Chris_Tucker, make sure that reception is okay inside your laptop.
[11:44] <sklav> seth_k|lappy, were talking about init system not OS
[11:44] <grabakov> lightbright you get that?
[11:44] <sklav> but thank you for the opinion
[11:44] <sklav> ubuntu init system is at times flakky
[11:44] <sklav> and intermittant
[11:44] <sklav> drives me nuts
[11:44] <lightbright> grabakov: when you load Ubuntu, where does it stop?
[11:44] <sklav> that im worried to reboot my server cause it might decide not to load eth0
[11:45] <soundray> Should I worry about regular "APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)" in my logs?
[11:45] <rednaxel> sethk, I'll google for that
[11:45] <erUSUL> fletch33, try running it in a terminal (it is a bash script)
[11:45] <sethk> rednaxel, man xmodmap might be enough
[11:45] <grabakov> It stops while X is loading and the screen floods with text. After that, it asks if I want to inspect the log. When I click no, I'm back at the command line.
[11:45] <fletch33> erUSUL, what is the command for that i am still learning sorry
[11:45] <lightbright> how can I write direct from hard drive to my DVD writer?
[11:45] <sethk> grabakov, check the X log, see why it dies
[11:45] <Chris_Tucker> soundray, i assume it will be
[11:46] <grabakov> lightbright It stops while X is loading and the screen floods with text. After that, it asks if I want to inspect the log. When I click no, I'm back at the command line.
[11:46] <ElitePete> can anyone help me with an vmware question, the channel seems to be dead.
[11:46] <sethk> lightbright, unless it is DVD-RAM, you can't
[11:46] <lightbright> grabakov: ok at command line, edit your x config
[11:46] <dooglus> ElitePete: you probably need to ask the question
[11:46] <Fridge> evening all
[11:46] <lightbright> sethk: whats a dvd-ram?
[11:46] <grabakov> sethk, the log informs me that files are missing.
[11:46] <Chris_Tucker> soundray, i may just mod in a usb port that is at the top of the display or sticking straight up, close to the edge where the display folds
[11:46] <ElitePete> i have setup my nat.conf file in vmware but it still isn't opening the ports.
[11:46] <fletch33> erUSUL, i choose run in terminal and nothing happened
[11:47] <sethk> grabakov, then supply the missing files, or take the incorrect module statements out of xorg.conf
[11:47] <Chris_Tucker> but soundray, its looking like that page is only for that fox board
[11:47] <sklav> lightbright, if you have an ld dvd drive then you most likely have dvd-ram
[11:47] <lightbright> grabakov: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:47] <fletch33> erUSUL,  i really appreciate your help
[11:47] <sklav> oops i meant lg and not ld
[11:47] <sethk> lightbright, it's a DVD format that makes a DVD look like a random access device.  You treat DVD-RAM exactly as a hard drive
[11:47] <lightbright> grabakov: how can files be missing with a new fresh install?
[11:47] <soundray> Chris_Tucker, I pointed you to it because it claims that the d-link has a Ralink 2500 chipset
[11:47] <erUSUL> fletch33, open a terminal Applications>Accesories>Terminal and tipe bitpim in it then hit enter
[11:47] <Chris_Tucker> oh ok soundray
[11:47] <grabakov> sethk, they are fonts, I cannot simply remove them from the xorg.conf
[11:48] <sethk> lightbright, so you can cp to it, dd to it, tar to it,
[11:48] <lightbright> sethk: I heard there was a solution using "mkudffs /dev/hdc"
[11:48] <SAM_theman> is there a firefox 1.5 ".DEB" out there not .tar.gz
[11:48] <sethk> grabakov, you can, actually, but that's not causing your problem.
[11:48] <rui> bye
[11:48] <erUSUL> fletch33, what package is the one you are trying to run
[11:48] <erUSUL> ?
[11:48] <grabakov> sethk, Oh? What would you say is?
[11:48] <sethk> lightbright, I guess it depends on what you mean by write directly.  I don't think that writes directly, but check it out?
[11:48] <Fridge> anyone give me some advice on kismet and orinoco cards
[11:48] <sethk> grabakov, usually add or remove font paths
[11:49] <lightbright> sethk: according to Debian developer i need the udftools and "mkudffs /dev/hdc"
[11:49] <sethk> grabakov, or add a font server
[11:49] <fletch33> erUSUL, here is what i got http://pastebin.ca/34009
[11:49] <sethk> lightbright, as I said, I don't consider that a direct write, but if it does what you need, go for it.
[11:49] <soundray> Chris_Tucker, doesn't mean that it will necessarily work with any of the native drivers (rt2500usb or rt2570) -- I've had no end of trouble with a Belkin stick with that chipset.
[11:49] <SAM_theman> ok dudes i just install xmms-skins were the hell are they?
[11:49] <lightbright> sethk: ok
[11:49] <Delvien> Anyway to change the backgound color while the splash is loadin all the libs and stuff right after GDM login
[11:49] <grabakov> sethk, I don't understand why I need to do all these strange things - isn't Ubuntu a complete distro?
[11:50] <grabakov> sethk, I installed it from disc without incident. Only starting the damned thing gives problems.
[11:50] <Chris_Tucker> thanks soundray
[11:50] <markive> hi
[11:50] <sethk> grabakov, sure it is.  You would probably never have noticed the messages about fonts unless you had this problem that caused you to look into the x log
[11:51] <lightbright> grabakov: it comes complete!  you have the original 5.10 CD?
[11:51] <grabakov> sethk, so why wouldn't these fonts have been installed? It makes no sense?
[11:51] <sethk> grabakov, are you sure that you are telling us the first error in the X log, and that you see only fonts?
[11:51] <markive> i'm pulling my hair out trying to install anything else thats not in the repositorys :(
[11:51] <Quiky> Arg, will ask again.. How can I force libc6-dev to install despite the dep. warning that Libc6 is newer than the = ?
[11:51] <lightbright> grabakov: i installed it without any problems
[11:51] <sethk> grabakov, I've seen the same thing happen with fedora releases.  It's sloppy, but generally harmless
[11:51] <grabakov> sethk, I am quite sure.
[11:51] <erUSUL> fletch33, how have you instaled the program, with apt (synaptic)?
[11:51] <grabakov> sethk, and the resolution?
[11:51] <soundray> markive, describe your problem.
[11:51] <sethk> grabakov, I've never seen X kill itself because of font problems.
[11:51] <markive> i'm trying to install tbear-1.5
[11:52] <sethk> grabakov, usually ti will say something like "can't find mode"
[11:52] <grabakov> sethk, so then it's my gfx card?
[11:52] <DrScream> HiddenFly, is any default root pwd for "ubuntu 5.10" ?
[11:52] <markive> soundray make doesn't work  , make install etc
[11:52] <Hobbsee> !root
[11:52] <ubotu> The root password by default is disabled in Ubuntu. You can use sudo to get super user (root) privileges. For more information, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:52] <grabakov> sethk, it -did- say something like that.
[11:52] <sethk> grabakov, It may be, but I'm not sure.  Can you post the X log on a pastebit?
[11:52] <lightbright> DrScream: yes yours
[11:52] <sethk> grabakov, I believe you
[11:52] <DrScream> thx ;)
[11:52] <soundray> markive, have you done 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'?
[11:52] <fletch33> erUSUL,  no i used alien to convert then instyalled in in terminal with -dpkg -i
[11:52] <grabakov> sethk, does this pastebit work with irssi?
[11:52] <markive> nope hold on i'll do it now
[11:53] <Delvien> Anyone know how to change the background BEHIND the splash screen after you log into GDM ???
[11:53] <soundray> markive, it's a meta-package with a minimal set of developer tools.
[11:53] <grabakov> sethk, I am not familiar with it.
[11:53] <sethk> grabakov, paste bot works with a web browser, has nothing to do with IRC
[11:53] <fletch33> erUSUL,  it wasnt available in synaptic
[11:53] <markive> soundray thanksi'll try it
[11:53] <eobanb> Delvien, it's in the gnome preferences
[11:53] <erUSUL> fletch33, breezy comes with libtiff4 not 3. which program is?
[11:53] <sethk> grabakov, you go to the paste web site, and paste.  It gives you a URL.  then you paste the URL into your IRC client
[11:53] <grabakov> sethk, okay, I am going to boot up Ubuntu and return. Will you be here?
[11:53] <fletch33> erUSUL,  not sure what u mean
[11:54] <sethk> grabakov, yes, I'll be here for quite a while.  If I'm not here for a bit, I'm rebooting.  I'm porting linux to a new platform and rebooting frequently.
[11:54] <Delvien> eobanb i managed to change ths splash screen itself, but there is still that ugly brown color behind it. Am i missing an option??
[11:54] <eobanb> you can change the colour, Delvien
[11:54] <eobanb> look under Login, i think
[11:54] <grabakov> sethk, I'll be quick.
[11:54] <grabakov> bbias
[11:55] <KampfCaspar> Hi all!
[11:55] <Estel> hi :)
[11:55] <markive> soundray its doing something  ,
[11:55] <erUSUL> fletch33, that the program can not find a dll (win terminology) and won't run. in breezy you have libtiff4 and the program needs libtiff3
[11:55] <markive> soundray i think thats done
[11:55] <Delvien> eonbanb i dont have a login
[11:55] <markive> soundray now make will work?
[11:55] <fletch33> erUSUL,   so am i out of luck i really need this
[11:56] <soundray> markive, do you wanna risk trying? :)
[11:56] <sergio_> algieun que able en castellano
[11:56] <markive> soundray now doung it
[11:56] <markive> thanks
[11:56] <ElitePete> !rs
[11:56] <ubotu> ElitePete: I don't know
[11:56] <ElitePete> !es
[11:56] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:56] <fletch33> erUSUL,  it is the only reason i have to go back to windows all the time
[11:56] <sergio_> alex ablas ablas espaol
[11:57] <ElitePete> fletch33 what reason?
[11:57] <erUSUL> you can try a hack do sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libtiff.so.4 /usr/lib/libtiff.so.3
[11:57] <erUSUL>  and then run sudo ldconfig
[11:57] <erUSUL> fletch33, try and run again the program
[11:57] <fletch33> erUSUL,  i need thhis program to work so i dont have to sign into windows to use it. it
[11:58] <grabakov> sethk: Hey
[11:58] <sethk> grabakov, got a URL?
[11:58] <lightbright> grabakov: hey
[11:58] <fletch33> erUSUL,  you want me to just click it and choose run in terminal
[11:58] <grabakov> sethk: Ummm... which URL? :)
[11:58] <grabakov> lightbright: hello there ;)
[11:59] <soundray> markive, you may also need to 'sudo apt-get install libbluetooth1-dev libdbus-1-dev'
[11:59] <erUSUL> fletch33, in a terminal run the two commands a gave you
[11:59] <An_Alias> hm, amibios version 1.19 doesn't seem to be detecting my ubuntu installation disk, and it's set to boot from cd-rom...
[12:00] <sethk> grabakov, I thought you were going to paste your X log file
[12:00] <fletch33> erUSUL, k
[12:00] <Delvien> eonbanb hehe hit new login and crashed.. Is there a speciffic app im supposed to run?