| MrMazda | don't hafta buy blanks | 12:04 |
|---|---|---|
| ogra | but you need internet access | 12:04 |
| MrMazda | true | 12:04 |
| ogra | my boss is african ;) | 12:04 |
| MrMazda | POTS? | 12:05 |
| ogra | there its hard to get even power, forget about more than a phoneline to go online ... | 12:05 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: internetaccess (dsl) costs 50 bucks a month, this is fare more expansive than 1 blank for 1 $ | 12:05 |
| MrMazda | I hear DSL in parts of Europe cheaper than POTS | 12:05 |
| lucasvo | yes it is | 12:06 |
| ogra | i pay about 10 for the line and about 20 for the flatrate ... | 12:06 |
| lucasvo | in CH for e.g. | 12:06 |
| MrMazda | lucky | 12:06 |
| lucasvo | I pay 50 for flatrate + Line | 12:06 |
| MrMazda | I pay $42 US total/mo | 12:06 |
| ogra | could be cheaper if i wouldnt live in the middle of nowhere | 12:06 |
| MrMazda | cabul, not DSL | 12:06 |
| MrMazda | pretty fast | 12:06 |
| lucasvo | cityflat :D | 12:06 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: how fast? | 12:07 |
| ogra | cable is great if you dont have millions of users on one line | 12:07 |
| lucasvo | I have 600kbit up 150 kbit down | 12:07 |
| MrMazda | CD takes less than 40 minute download | 12:07 |
| MrMazda | unless server slow | 12:07 |
| ogra | yup | 12:07 |
| ogra | thats nice :) | 12:07 |
| MrMazda | makes FTP installs fast | 12:07 |
| lucasvo | my shipit connection takes about 3 weeks to download cd's :D | 12:08 |
| ogra | i'm at the very end of the line here ... 768k is the biggest i can get | 12:08 |
| lucasvo | ogra: skyDSL :D | 12:08 |
| MrMazda | wget usually shows me just under 600 | 12:08 |
| ogra | but thats the price i like to pay for the view ;) | 12:08 |
| lucasvo | ogra: ronja/wifi can give you connection for 15km, maybe there you would get a better connection? | 12:09 |
| ogra | http://www.grawert.net/gallery/pano/ | 12:09 |
| lucasvo | wow, that's really out of nowhere | 12:09 |
| ogra | lucasvo, yes, but i'd need someone to be the upstream for it and still several hops to get over the hills | 12:09 |
| MrMazda | should it be ready for the restart yet? | 12:12 |
| ogra | it should telly you ... | 12:12 |
| ogra | -y | 12:12 |
| MrMazda | I'm downstairs, it's upstairs | 12:12 |
| ogra | ah, k | 12:12 |
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| ogra | 30 min is a good time to have a look i think ... +/- 10 min for the slower HW | 12:13 |
| lucasvo | ogra: is there already a client for s-c-p | 12:15 |
| lucasvo | ogra: will there be any? | 12:15 |
| ogra | client ? | 12:15 |
| lucasvo | which has control over the X session | 12:15 |
| lucasvo | or won't it be able to change the Xserver? | 12:16 |
| ogra | what for ? | 12:16 |
| lucasvo | blank a screen? | 12:16 |
| lucasvo | show video? | 12:16 |
| ogra | thats a thing to do with the screensaver | 12:16 |
| lucasvo | ah ok | 12:16 |
| lucasvo | and how do you want to activate screensaver? | 12:17 |
| ogra | forget about video in ltap | 12:17 |
| ogra | ltsp | 12:17 |
| lucasvo | why? | 12:17 |
| ogra | becuse you wont make it work fluid ... | 12:17 |
| lucasvo | too slow? | 12:17 |
| ogra | too much data foling over the netlink | 12:17 |
| ogra | *flowing | 12:18 |
| ogra | video or GL are things you cnt solve without running stuff locally on the client | 12:18 |
| MrMazda | CD ejected | 12:19 |
| ogra | great :) | 12:19 |
| MrMazda | the F[3-7] screens should have the word "workstation" somewhere | 12:20 |
| ogra | yup | 12:20 |
| ogra | my bad | 12:20 |
| ogra | its pretty different in dapper already | 12:20 |
| ogra | since we use gfxboot for the CD ... | 12:20 |
| ogra | suse very friendlytweaked it for us to work in ubuntu ;) | 12:20 |
| MrMazda | SuSE my favorite Linux installer | 12:21 |
| lucasvo | yast2 ? | 12:21 |
| MrMazda | Mandriva good too | 12:21 |
| ogra | but it only runs on x86 | 12:21 |
| MrMazda | FC sux | 12:21 |
| MrMazda | package selection part of FC very limited | 12:21 |
| MrMazda | no search | 12:21 |
| ogra | we support 5 arches ... so we need something that work on all of them | 12:21 |
| ogra | *works | 12:22 |
| MrMazda | Xandros installer nice, but very simple | 12:22 |
| ogra | the ubuntu/debian installer is the most powerful one that exists ... but you sadly have to live with the bluescreen ... | 12:23 |
| MrMazda | why isn't Firefox on the Kubuntu CD? | 12:23 |
| ogra | it isnt ? | 12:23 |
| MrMazda | it wasn | 12:23 |
| MrMazda | it wasn't installed | 12:23 |
| ogra | i didnt know that ... i only help riddell to test the liveCD sometimes, but that doesnt go beyond testing if it boots and starting 1-2 apps | 12:24 |
| MrMazda | doesn't matter, I use mozilla.org builds any way -> http://cvs-www.mozilla.org/webtools/bonsai/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla-org/html/unix/dpi.html&rev=&root=/cvsroot/ | 12:25 |
| ogra | thats fine for kubuntu, but i wouldnt do that in ubuntu/edubuntu | 12:25 |
| MrMazda | from /usr/local | 12:26 |
| MrMazda | I leave the distro builds alone | 12:26 |
| ogra | yes, but there is much stuff linked against firefox ... i.e. the gnoem helpsystem | 12:26 |
| ogra | /usr/local/lib will overrde /usr/lib | 12:27 |
| MrMazda | right, so I leave all that undisturbed, and just run from /usr/local/firefox | 12:27 |
| MrMazda | not installed, untarred | 12:27 |
| ogra | ah, only the binary | 12:27 |
| ogra | that should be fine .. | 12:27 |
| MrMazda | works fine everywhere else that has the legacy libs available | 12:28 |
| ogra | yup | 12:28 |
| MrMazda | http://cvs-www.mozilla.org/webtools/bonsai/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla-org/html/ports/os2/index.html&rev=&root=/cvsroot/ | 12:29 |
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| lucasvo | hi crimsun_ | 12:30 |
| crimsun_ | hi | 12:30 |
| crimsun_ | wonky coffee shop wifi ;) | 12:30 |
| ogra | hehe | 12:30 |
| lucasvo | is there anything like alt-tab for switching from different apps from different desktops? | 12:31 |
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| lucasvo | how can I open a shell as a user with the X display set correctly? | 12:37 |
| ogra | you cant | 12:37 |
| lucasvo | :( | 12:37 |
| ogra | usually xhost does that | 12:37 |
| ogra | but over a local tcp socket | 12:38 |
| lucasvo | how can I run a command as a special user with X set correctly? | 12:38 |
| ogra | since thats very insecure, tcp transport is disabled in ubuntu | 12:38 |
| ogra | if i would know how to do that in a secure way, you could look it up in the s-c-p source ;) | 12:39 |
| lucasvo | how can I edit the menus in gnome, they got really messed up after dapper upgrade | 12:40 |
| ogra | i'll have to inspect the ssh tunneling protocol a bit more, there mustbe a possibility to hook in there somewhere | 12:40 |
| ogra | right click on the ubuntu logo | 12:41 |
| lucasvo | ah | 12:41 |
| lucasvo | is there some reset button? | 12:41 |
| lucasvo | found it | 12:41 |
| ogra | niot that i'm aware of .. | 12:41 |
| lucasvo | Revert :D | 12:42 |
| ogra | ah the "Defaults" button, right | 12:42 |
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| MrMazda | ogra: is it OK to simply tack the isa sound card module onto the bottom of /etc/modules manually? | 12:55 |
| MrMazda | it's what I did in kubuntu | 12:55 |
| ogra | did it work ? | 12:55 |
| MrMazda | 1 | 12:55 |
| ogra | if it did, that should work in edubuntu as well | 12:56 |
| MrMazda | didn't know if that was another no-no | 12:56 |
| ogra | just make sure o use the alsa module ... (the one that starts with snd- ) | 12:56 |
| MrMazda | snd-azt2320 | 12:57 |
| ogra | yup, thats fine | 12:57 |
| MrMazda | learned that in Xandrox | 12:57 |
| MrMazda | learned that in Xandros | 12:57 |
| MrMazda | 80% done, wasting time again on wierd fonts | 12:58 |
| ogra | heh, yes, i thought about dropping some, but we support 90 languages ... and these fonts are needed ... | 12:59 |
| MrMazda | only after the other langs installed though, right? | 01:00 |
| ogra | not really, for example it maked japanese websites not looking weird if you accidently end up on one ... | 01:00 |
| ogra | but that indeed doesnt teach you the lang *g* | 01:01 |
| MrMazda | who knows from wierd if only you can read English | 01:01 |
| ogra | they should probably be tied to the language packs ... | 01:01 |
| ogra | but that would blow them up even more ... | 01:01 |
| ogra | and if i look at the kde language packs i get nightmares ... | 01:02 |
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| ogra | hey Hemet_Ka | 01:06 |
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| ogra | you left to fast :) | 01:06 |
| Lord_Athur | hi ogra | 01:06 |
| Lord_Athur | hiow are you? | 01:06 |
| Lord_Athur | :D | 01:06 |
| lucasvo | hi Lord_Athur | 01:06 |
| ogra | there are squashfs-tools, you might probably find what you look for in there .. | 01:06 |
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| Lord_Athur | mm | 01:07 |
| Lord_Athur | ok ogra | 01:07 |
| Lord_Athur | hi lucasvo | 01:07 |
| Lord_Athur | are the metadistros good distros? | 01:08 |
| ogra | which ones specifically ? | 01:08 |
| Lord_Athur | mmm | 01:08 |
| lucasvo | ubuntu is the best distro ! :D | 01:08 |
| Lord_Athur | I don't know, I want to make one | 01:09 |
| Lord_Athur | :P | 01:09 |
| Lord_Athur | jejeje | 01:09 |
| Lord_Athur | It'd be only for learn more about distros... | 01:09 |
| ogra | look at the existing ones and look at the userbase ... then guess yourself ... | 01:09 |
| ogra | (edubuntu is a metadistro ;) ) | 01:09 |
| Lord_Athur | you're right | 01:09 |
| ogra | as well as userlinux | 01:09 |
| Lord_Athur | I'll see it | 01:09 |
| lucasvo | Lord_Athur: what metadistro do you want to do? | 01:09 |
| Lord_Athur | one with KDEas the default GE & one with my programs | 01:10 |
| ogra | if you compare userlinux with edubuntu. you'll find very different outcome ... | 01:10 |
| ogra | metaistro basically means that you have a metapackage that defines a subset of anouther distro to be installed | 01:11 |
| Lord_Athur | mmm | 01:11 |
| Lord_Athur | ok | 01:12 |
| ogra | userlinux is a set of metapackages in debian, but has no real userbase ... edubuntu and kubuntu are metadistros in ubuntu ... | 01:12 |
| ogra | consisting of metapackages (edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-server, edubuntu-artwork) | 01:12 |
| ogra | or kubuntu-desktop ... | 01:12 |
| Lord_Athur | mmm | 01:13 |
| Lord_Athur | can I put the Kubuntu-desktop in the devian server? | 01:13 |
| ogra | i wouldnt try that | 01:13 |
| Lord_Athur | ogra, how can I use the apckage of squashfs-tools? | 01:14 |
| ogra | no idea, as i told you before, i have no experience with squashfs | 01:14 |
| ogra | but i saw there is this package ... | 01:14 |
| Lord_Athur | ok | 01:15 |
| Lord_Athur | thanks | 01:15 |
| MrMazda | ogra: gdm is up | 01:15 |
| Lord_Athur | I've to go | 01:15 |
| Lord_Athur | bye | 01:15 |
| ogra | look in /usr/share/doc/ squashfs-tools | 01:15 |
| ogra | gah | 01:15 |
| ogra | he's always to fast to get the important info :P | 01:15 |
| ogra | MrMazda, YAY !!! | 01:15 |
| MrMazda | need to unerror 'linux workstation' | 01:16 |
| MrMazda | now it's safe 4 u 2 goto bed | 01:16 |
| MrMazda | :) | 01:16 |
| ogra | not anymore ... as i said, we use gfxboot in the new CD ;) | 01:16 |
| ogra | so you got a wimple menu to select from ... | 01:16 |
| ogra | *simple | 01:17 |
| MrMazda | just a password box | 01:17 |
| ogra | its only 1am... i usually am up until 3 or 4 ;) | 01:17 |
| lucasvo | ogra: and when do you have to begin working? | 01:17 |
| MrMazda | first thing is get nfs, Gecko & Chatzilla going | 01:18 |
| lucasvo | ogra: are you more inactive when you work anyway? | 01:18 |
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| ogra | lucasvo, as i like ... as long as edubuntu is ready at release day and i finish my spec in time ;) | 01:18 |
| ogra | *specs | 01:18 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: always think that your daughter maybe not want to have that many options as you like to :D | 01:18 |
| ogra | this here *is* my work | 01:18 |
| lucasvo | ogra: so it is akkordarbeit :P | 01:18 |
| ogra | nope, just slavery of the release schedule ;) | 01:19 |
| lucasvo | ogra: maybe sabfdl should add something to your specs, that you are in a hurry a little bit more :D | 01:19 |
| ogra | i could stop after 8h of work if i'd like | 01:19 |
| ogra | but then it *would* be "akkordarbeit" ;) | 01:20 |
| ogra | this way i'm online ~14h and have nice chats inbetween ... | 01:20 |
| MrMazda | ogra: arghhhhh! 640x480 :( | 01:20 |
| ogra | damned | 01:20 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: you already had the problem wiht kubuntu, didn't you | 01:21 |
| lucasvo | ? | 01:21 |
| ogra | did it work better with kubuntu ? | 01:21 |
| MrMazda | prolly same as b4, no vert/horiz lines in xorg.conf | 01:21 |
| ogra | yup | 01:21 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: it was the wrong horsync | 01:21 |
| MrMazda | I had to put them in manually b4 | 01:21 |
| MrMazda | not wrong, NONE | 01:21 |
| ogra | they are not needed with recent HW, but if your monitor doesnt report the DDC values right, you need them | 01:21 |
| ogra | err DCC | 01:22 |
| MrMazda | I can put them in and restart X, but should I save the logs for a bug report? | 01:22 |
| ogra | wont fix the herdware i guess | 01:22 |
| MrMazda | I looked yesterday for such bugs | 01:22 |
| ogra | *hard | 01:22 |
| MrMazda | lots recently fixed or duped | 01:22 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: except mine :( | 01:22 |
| ogra | its the DCC reporting of the monitor thats not working | 01:23 |
| lucasvo | ogra: daniels is not around, where is he? | 01:23 |
| ogra | perparing for uni, he starts studying in january | 01:23 |
| lucasvo | aha | 01:23 |
| ogra | so he's not around 20h/day anymore | 01:24 |
| lucasvo | Unpacking mythtv-backend (from .../mythtv-backend_0.18.1-5_i386.deb) ... | 01:24 |
| lucasvo | Setting up mythtv-backend (0.18.1-5) ... | 01:24 |
| lucasvo | chown: `mythtv:mythtv': invalid user | 01:24 |
| MrMazda | May 1998 Sony CPD-200 | 01:24 |
| lucasvo | ogra: where does he live? | 01:24 |
| ogra | melbourne | 01:24 |
| lucasvo | ah, crap | 01:24 |
| lucasvo | so I have to look for him in the night | 01:24 |
| ogra | MrMazda, sudo ddcprobe | 01:25 |
| lucasvo | the germans are crazy, they want to use soldiers for WM, a civil war! | 01:27 |
| === ogra is a happy soccer ater | ||
| ogra | *hater | 01:28 |
| === lucasvo too | ||
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| lucasvo | there is nothing as boring as soccer games on tv | 01:29 |
| Hemet_Ka | ogra, I found this page about Metadistros http://metadistros.hispalinux.org/ | 01:29 |
| Hemet_Ka | it's in Spanish, but you can select your language | 01:30 |
| Hemet_Ka | could you see it? | 01:31 |
| ogra | i know hispalinux, they were at the edubuntu summit | 01:31 |
| Hemet_Ka | realy? | 01:32 |
| Hemet_Ka | what does the word summit mean? | 01:32 |
| Hemet_Ka | :S | 01:32 |
| ogra | s well as guadalinux and lliurex and linex | 01:32 |
| Hemet_Ka | I'm a bag Englsih speaker | 01:32 |
| ogra | a developer gathering | 01:32 |
| Hemet_Ka | ok | 01:32 |
| ogra | seems in spain, every village has its own distro :) | 01:33 |
| Hemet_Ka | then the matadistro project that the page shows must be a good alternative for me | 01:33 |
| ogra | many of them are switching to ubuntu ... | 01:33 |
| Hemet_Ka | but I cannot download the software that is in the page | 01:34 |
| Hemet_Ka | :S | 01:34 |
| ogra | go to hispalinux.es | 01:34 |
| ogra | that might help | 01:34 |
| Hemet_Ka | but the page send me to http://metadistros.hispalinux.org/ | 01:35 |
| Hemet_Ka | it's the same | 01:35 |
| Hemet_Ka | xD | 01:35 |
| ogra | heh | 01:35 |
| ogra | looks somehow unmaintained | 01:35 |
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| Hemet_Ka | 01:37 | |
| ogra | ah, no, last post dec 17 | 01:37 |
| Hemet_Ka | jeje | 01:37 |
| lucasvo | good night! | 01:39 |
| Hemet_Ka | :D lucasvo | 01:39 |
| ogra | night | 01:40 |
| Hemet_Ka | is the kubuntu-desktop package in only one file? | 01:40 |
| ogra | its a meta package ... | 01:40 |
| ogra | so its an empty package that only has dependencys | 01:40 |
| Hemet_Ka | ok | 01:41 |
| ogra | apt-get source kubuntu-desktop and have a look | 01:41 |
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| Navire | I instaled Edubuntu there, with old client petium 100Mhz 32RAM. Hi not suport boot PXE, suport boot on floppy. Start, but very slow!!!! Someone can help me? | 01:44 |
| Navire | Anyone know how to do this? | 01:46 |
| Hemet_Ka | I don't know | 01:49 |
| Navire | Ok | 01:50 |
| Navire | Hemet, Do you use LTSP? | 01:50 |
| Hemet_Ka | what's LTSP? | 01:50 |
| Navire | Liniux Terminal Server Project. Terminal Server fro Linux | 01:51 |
| Hemet_Ka | no, Idon't use it | 01:52 |
| Navire | Thank you. :) | 01:52 |
| Navire | Do you use Edubuntu ou Ubuntu? | 01:52 |
| Hemet_Ka | is there a page to read more about LTSP | 01:53 |
| Hemet_Ka | mm | 01:53 |
| Hemet_Ka | Kubuntu | 01:53 |
| Hemet_Ka | this don't have to be too different | 01:54 |
| Hemet_Ka | realy? | 01:54 |
| Hemet_Ka | KDE is better then gnome (it's what i think) | 01:54 |
| Navire | I will use KDE, but now use GNome on Ubuntu is very good!! | 01:56 |
| Hemet_Ka | :P | 01:57 |
| Navire | lol | 01:57 |
| Navire | Try Gnome and to see it is very very good than KDE. | 01:58 |
| Navire | On Ubuntu | 01:59 |
| Hemet_Ka | I've seen gnome | 02:05 |
| Hemet_Ka | but I prefer KDE | 02:05 |
| Hemet_Ka | It's the best | 02:07 |
| Hemet_Ka | I'll be bask in 5 minutes | 02:13 |
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| luluroot | ogra: it's MrMazda upstairs on edubuntu/firefox/chatzilla | 02:17 |
| luluroot | lucasvo: u awake? | 02:17 |
| luluroot | again unknown key garbage on the consoles | 02:18 |
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| Hemet_Ka | hi | 02:24 |
| MrMazda | hello Hemet_Ka | 02:33 |
| Hemet_Ka | :D | 02:33 |
| Hemet_Ka | hi MrMazda | 02:33 |
| MrMazda | I think everyone else watchin TV or asleep :-p | 02:38 |
| MrMazda | or whatever they do besides puters on weekends | 02:39 |
| Navire | I have to go now, I will sleep now | 02:52 |
| Navire | Good bye evebady | 02:52 |
| Navire | See you later | 02:52 |
| Navire | take care | 02:52 |
| Navire | I love Gnome :) | 02:52 |
| MrMazda | cul8r | 02:52 |
| Navire | The best Desktop | 02:52 |
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| Hemet_Ka | hi | 03:02 |
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| MrMazda | help | 04:15 |
| MrMazda | ogra: help | 04:15 |
| MrMazda | lucasvo: help | 04:15 |
| MrMazda | somebody help | 04:15 |
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| Yagisan | re | 04:52 |
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| Yagisan | MrMazda: what broke ? | 05:09 |
| lululinux | grub | 05:15 |
| lululinux | fixed now | 05:15 |
| lululinux | dumb install too stupid to play local mp3 files though | 05:15 |
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| Yagisan | lululinux: you need to enable restriced formats for mp3 | 05:15 |
| lululinux | mebbe mhz knows how to fix it ;-) | 05:15 |
| Yagisan | lululinux: f*cking patent issues | 05:15 |
| lululinux | what's that mean? | 05:15 |
| mhz | hi all | 05:16 |
| lululinux | how | 05:16 |
| Yagisan | G'day mhz - what's the wiki page for restricted formats say, basically, add universe and multiverse right ? | 05:16 |
| mhz | iirc | 05:16 |
| lululinux | added universe long time ago | 05:17 |
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| mhz | multiverse is restricted | 05:17 |
| lululinux | first thing practically, since mc is missing from the CD | 05:17 |
| mhz | i mean, multiverse is the 'non-always-free-zone' | 05:17 |
| Yagisan | lululinux: yep, the wonderful mc is universe. you need to add multiverse | 05:17 |
| Yagisan | lululinux: First https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto | 05:19 |
| Yagisan | lululinux: then https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats | 05:20 |
| lululinux | wiki is screwed up | 05:20 |
| Yagisan | should help with mp3 | 05:20 |
| lululinux | huge horizontal scroll | 05:20 |
| lululinux | can't use it | 05:20 |
| Yagisan | wiki works fine for me @ 1024x768 | 05:20 |
| lululinux | not here | 05:21 |
| lululinux | huge horizontal scroll | 05:21 |
| Yagisan | lululinux: do you have granny fonts setup ie big fonts instead of standard ? | 05:22 |
| Yagisan | lululinux: control + 0 in firefox should fix it | 05:22 |
| Yagisan | mhz: how are you today ? | 05:23 |
| mhz | tired, i couldnt sleep friday-saturday night | 05:25 |
| mhz | .oO(it's sunday 01:25 AM) | 05:25 |
| Yagisan | mhz: me either, Eric would get up every hour to either shit, or eat. | 05:26 |
| Yagisan | mhz: have you seen Iron Chef ? | 05:26 |
| mhz | hehehehe | 05:26 |
| mhz | nope, never seen iron chef | 05:27 |
| Yagisan | mhz: you poor thing, you have no idea what you are missing! | 05:27 |
| mhz | hehehe | 05:27 |
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| MrMazda | Yagisan: a lunatic built http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html | 05:44 |
| MrMazda | too wide because huge whitespace in the <pre> stuff | 05:45 |
| MrMazda | see e.g. line 613 | 05:45 |
| MrMazda | only fits on screen by using mousetype, which I can't read | 05:47 |
| a-865 | Yagisan: horizontal scroll even at 1792x1344 | 05:48 |
| Yagisan | you must have some weird settings somewhere | 05:50 |
| MrMazda | all 3 puters same problem | 05:50 |
| MrMazda | a lunatic built http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html | 05:51 |
| Yagisan | I'm sending you a screenie of how it looks to me | 05:54 |
| Yagisan | Tried both firefox and konqueror, I can't reproduce *any* horizontal scroll, without making the fonts excessively large | 05:56 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: send me a screenshot | 05:58 |
| MrMazda | http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/accessibility.html | 05:59 |
| MrMazda | Yagisan: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/helpubuntu.gif | 06:01 |
| MrMazda | Chatzilla was backlogged again :-p | 06:02 |
| MrMazda | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319219 | 06:03 |
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| mhz | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez/EdubuntuRelatedPhotos | 06:04 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: your fonts are too large, that's why it displays odd. On a visual inspection, that page would meet WAI-A accessibility ratings. | 06:06 |
| MrMazda | no it wouldn't | 06:06 |
| MrMazda | my fonts are EXACTLY the right size | 06:06 |
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| MrMazda | Yagisan: http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/accessibility.html http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/defaultsize.html | 06:07 |
| MrMazda | too wide because huge whitespace in the <pre> stuff | 06:09 |
| MrMazda | see e.g. line 613 | 06:09 |
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| MrMazda | http://cvs-www.mozilla.org/webtools/bonsai/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla-org/html/unix/dpi.html&rev=&root=/cvsroot/ | 06:11 |
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| Yagisan | MrMazda: Well, I didn't write it, btw I sense some irony that your default size page also fails to validate at WAI standards ;) | 06:15 |
| Yagisan | IIRC the documetation is being updated for dapper | 06:15 |
| Yagisan | so I'm sure it will be fixed | 06:15 |
| MrMazda | Yagisan: what fails? | 06:16 |
| MrMazda | since Bobby disappeared I haven't checked anything | 06:17 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: For my business website I use http://webxact.watchfire.com/ | 06:17 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: I try for level AAA if possible, but some pages are only AA | 06:18 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: it failed at level AA | 06:19 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: You also may want to rethink Comic Sans MS, that is a hard font to read | 06:20 |
| MrMazda | look at why, it claims way lotta broken links, links that aren't even on the page | 06:20 |
| MrMazda | COMIC SANS IS NOT HARD TO READ unless it is too small, and I only use it for TITLES | 06:21 |
| MrMazda | I don't care who doesn't like Comic Sans | 06:21 |
| MrMazda | They can uninstall it if they hate it | 06:21 |
| MrMazda | where is it finding all the broken links? | 06:22 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: 1, the links are there I read the source, 2 what a hypocritical response for an accessibility person | 06:22 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: thanks for assuming MY default size | 06:22 |
| MrMazda | ??? | 06:23 |
| MrMazda | all I assume about your default is that you chose it appropriately | 06:23 |
| MrMazda | http://webxact2.watchfire.com/report.asp?t=1&s=5&ts=8450&y=0 claims 6i1 broken links in a page that doesn't even have 10 links in it total | 06:25 |
| MrMazda | http://webxact2.watchfire.com/report.asp?t=1&s=5&ts=8450&y=0 claims 61 broken links in a page that doesn't even have 10 links in it total | 06:25 |
| MrMazda | Yagisan: now I see we weren't talking about the same page | 06:26 |
| mhz | :) | 06:27 |
| MrMazda | http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/defaultsize.html is that I thought you meant, and I pasted the wrong URI | 06:27 |
| MrMazda | http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/wauth1.html has stuff I have don't have adequate web space for | 06:27 |
| Yagisan | MrMazda: something to keep in mind, is that every <a href> tag, even if it points to the same page is a link | 06:28 |
| MrMazda | Yagisan: the priority 2 failure on http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/defaultsize.html is due to code pasted into the page directly from the WC3 site for the validation link. o_O | 06:30 |
| MrMazda | silly stuff, like not liking H5 to follow H1 | 06:32 |
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| lucasvo | hello | 10:26 |
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| lucasvo | hello ivan | 12:03 |
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| lucasvo | ogra: I am now python pro :D | 01:01 |
| lucasvo | ogra: is there anything I can do with s-c-p? | 01:01 |
| ogra | couls some native english speaker check the edubuntu flight2 release announcement for typos and grammar ? | 02:00 |
| ogra | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFlight2Announcement | 02:00 |
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| Yagisan | spacey: ping | 02:10 |
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| Yagisan | G'day mhz | 02:22 |
| mhz | wow! | 02:22 |
| mhz | Yagisan: gifted guy! :D | 02:23 |
| Yagisan | mhz: did I do something right again ? | 02:23 |
| mhz | hehehe, being awake | 02:23 |
| Yagisan | mhz: It's called two small children :) | 02:24 |
| Yagisan | I look like a panda, big black rings under my eyes | 02:24 |
| mhz | LOL!!1 | 02:24 |
| Yagisan | mhz: what is this mythical sleep you speak of ? I know no such thing | 02:25 |
| mhz | :) | 02:26 |
| mhz | 'mythical' hehehe | 02:26 |
| mhz | wait til they're over 5 | 02:26 |
| lululinux | wohoo, just got free bigger HD, free RAM, and free faster CPU. See ya later mhz Yagisan & lucasvo . :) | 02:26 |
| mhz | Yagisan: is bittorrent on commandline? | 02:28 |
| Yagisan | mhz: yes!! I can send them to school - I'll become fully nocturnal, I can sleep again | 02:28 |
| Yagisan | mhz: I don't no, I don't use the bittorent clients with ubuntu | 02:28 |
| Yagisan | s/no/know | 02:29 |
| Yagisan | I use azureus for my bittorent stuff | 02:29 |
| ogra | mhz, just clisk a .torrent file in firefox, gnome-bitorrent will care for it ... | 02:29 |
| Yagisan | but that needs a java 1.5 runtime, most likely sun's, although blackdown, or ibm should do it. | 02:30 |
| mhz | ogra: hehehe, you make life too easy :) | 02:30 |
| ogra | heh | 02:30 |
| Yagisan | I'll be very happy when gcj runs azureus | 02:30 |
| Yagisan | or at least kaffe or sablevm | 02:30 |
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| mhz | I know i am no advanced GNU/Linux user but I do know I prefer to do things manually so I have little clues of what's going on, ogra | 02:31 |
| mhz | otherwise, I'd probably use Mac OSX :) | 02:32 |
| mhz | .oO(well, I wouldn't because it is not Free as in freedom) | 02:32 |
| ogra | you can also download the .torrent file and open it manually with gnome-btdownload ;) | 02:33 |
| mhz | hehehehehehehehehehe | 02:33 |
| mhz | ogra: I really like your sense of humour (very diff from other german guys i have met) | 02:34 |
| === Yagisan wonders, how many people would still use torrents, if you took all the porn away ... | ||
| === mhz has never used torrent, only wget -c | ||
| ogra | edubuntu testers ? (hopefully= | 02:35 |
| Yagisan | Of course, with porn gone, there would be no need for adsl2, as suddenly there would be excess bandwidth for all | 02:35 |
| mhz | BTW, why is torrent so recommended? | 02:35 |
| ogra | because it saves bandwidth for everyone ... | 02:36 |
| Yagisan | It spreads the bandwidth load over all people involved | 02:36 |
| Yagisan | you can get you download done quicker | 02:36 |
| ogra | as all p2p apps do :) | 02:36 |
| Yagisan | s/get you/get your | 02:37 |
| Yagisan | Of course, that does rely on you also sharing the download to at least a 1:1 ratio | 02:37 |
| Yagisan | mhz: Don't forget to watch milk battle :) | 02:38 |
| mhz | Yagisan: 80% | 02:40 |
| mhz | Yagisan: but is that the very best featured? | 02:41 |
| mhz | sorry, ogra can answer too ;) | 02:41 |
| Yagisan | mhz: best feature bittorrent client ? | 02:44 |
| Yagisan | mhz: My personal preference is azureus http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ | 02:44 |
| Yagisan | mhz: but as I said, needs java 1.5 compatible runtime | 02:45 |
| Yagisan | mhz: IIRC there may be an ubuntu package for it in dapper | 02:45 |
| mhz | hmm, interesting | 02:46 |
| ogra | for 1.5 ? | 02:46 |
| ogra | not as long as ibm doesnt release a 1.5 blackdown package | 02:46 |
| Yagisan | no, the azureus package | 02:46 |
| mhz | .oO(maybe Emacs have a 'torrent' like plugin :) | 02:46 |
| Yagisan | IIRC I thought I saw it either in ubuntu or debian | 02:46 |
| Yagisan | perhaps debian mentors | 02:47 |
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| === mhz notices azureus sounds very simila to 'zaurus', and he has to sell his SL-5500 before christmas :( | ||
| ogra | oh, why is that ? | 02:48 |
| Yagisan | he wants a new model ?? | 02:49 |
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| mhz | because I ordered 3 laptops (well, I chose and this friend payed for them) from eBay and 2 were never sent to us. Now I gotta give this friend back his money :( | 02:50 |
| Yagisan | mhz: hmm, did you use paypal ? | 02:51 |
| mhz | Yagisan: unless I got a Zaurus 'horizontal' screen model (4 GB in ROM and 1 USB port), I would definately prefer a Toshiba Libretto (less than 10 inches)! | 02:51 |
| mhz | Yagisan: yup! but we never knew that the transaction 'filing complaints' lasted 60 days tops. | 02:52 |
| mhz | and the communication with seller was always good (he giving us reasons why he couldn't senf them yet and crap) | 02:52 |
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| mhz | opps... i rephrase 'cr*p' wit 'cramps' | 02:53 |
| === mhz has no idea if cramps is an english word, it just sounded similar | ||
| Yagisan | mhz: so the cocksucker delayed you until you could not get a refund. Bastard. | 02:53 |
| mhz | yup | 02:53 |
| === Yagisan has an intense hate for ebayers like that | ||
| mhz | and I also complained to eBay because if you read 'normal' info, they never mention about 60 days. | 02:54 |
| Yagisan | mhz: your english is great if you understand what I called that seller | 02:54 |
| mhz | Yagisan: plus the fact that ebaye sellers (with laptops I liked) did not want to sell outside US so it took me 3 months to convince them :( | 02:55 |
| mhz | hehehe | 02:55 |
| mhz | thx | 02:55 |
| Yagisan | ogra: IBM does have a Java 5 for download | 02:55 |
| ogra | oh | 02:55 |
| Yagisan | but not blackdown | 02:55 |
| ogra | gah | 02:56 |
| Yagisan | I just checked both | 02:56 |
| Yagisan | mhz: I'm sorry you where ripped off :( | 02:56 |
| ogra | we only have access to the blackdown sources and cant include binary only packages in ubuntu | 02:56 |
| mhz | ogra: in ubuntu-user ML there was a bit of complaining about devels decisions (4 lines email). Can i paste them? | 02:56 |
| Yagisan | s/where/were | 02:56 |
| mhz | Yagisan: sheeps happens | 02:56 |
| ogra | sure, but i read -users | 02:56 |
| mhz | ohhh. zaro killed | 02:57 |
| mhz | zero | 02:57 |
| ogra | i wonder why people never help while the specs are worked out and the decisions are made but complain very loud 7 months later | 02:58 |
| mhz | yup!, I 100% agree with you | 02:58 |
| Yagisan | ogra: I complain very load bout the specs I care about, but I couldn't go to canada | 02:58 |
| Yagisan | ogra: so, in dapper, I still won't have decent multi-lingual input :( | 02:59 |
| mhz | I wish to think it is a matter of 'not knowing how to get involved' | 02:59 |
| ogra | Yagisan, the specs are on the wiki ... and are worked out there | 02:59 |
| ogra | Yagisan, scim ? | 02:59 |
| Yagisan | yep | 02:59 |
| Yagisan | can you say breezy was a total regression | 02:59 |
| mhz | pasting... | 02:59 |
| mhz | > MTA is important, I vote 'yes'. | 02:59 |
| mhz | > Have you talked to the Devel guys? | 02:59 |
| mhz | Absolutely. Some of us would like to use MUAs that don't suck, like Mutt. | 02:59 |
| mhz | Plus, mailx is used to send email from scripts all of the time. These | 02:59 |
| mhz | people dumbing-down Linux and making it less useful are making me want | 02:59 |
| mhz | to go use FreeBSD. | 02:59 |
| Yagisan | ogra: at least it is on the agenda | 03:00 |
| ogra | i was asked about it by several germans about it too now and minghua in -motu is upstream in debian for some of them ... | 03:00 |
| ogra | so a scim team would probably help | 03:00 |
| ogra | the prob is that we dont have enough devs for it ... | 03:00 |
| Yagisan | ogra: yep, I've met minghua in -motu | 03:00 |
| ogra | i personally don use scim | 03:01 |
| ogra | but i see the need | 03:01 |
| ogra | especially if we want to gain more on the asian market | 03:01 |
| Yagisan | ogra: well, in my case, uim the alternative, only works in gnome apps, and breaks more the half of universe | 03:01 |
| ogra | but its all gpl, right ? | 03:02 |
| Yagisan | ogra: If you even want to communicate with asia, it needs to be fixed | 03:02 |
| mhz | BTW, ogra, I just want to 'log' here that after jdub got back (that he said in -devel) I still get no mail regarding 'edubuntu-devel-es' ML :( | 03:02 |
| Yagisan | yep, all gpl | 03:02 |
| mhz | and I am afraid he gest pissed off if I insist, once more. | 03:02 |
| === Yagisan really needs to sit down and learn C and C++ | ||
| ogra | mhz, nope, he wont | 03:02 |
| ogra | just poke him | 03:02 |
| mhz | okis | 03:02 |
| mhz | so, based on your answers... no good devel would get pissed off? | 03:03 |
| ogra | mhz, the mail stuff is one apt-get from the CD away... i dont see the issue there ... | 03:03 |
| ogra | yup | 03:03 |
| ogra | especially not jdub... | 03:04 |
| mhz | ogra: sure, I know, that's why i only asked if that person had talked to devel guys. | 03:04 |
| ogra | Yagisan, btw, are you a slug member ? | 03:04 |
| mhz | Yagisan: are you going to NewZeland in January ? | 03:04 |
| === Yagisan thinks the best way to get scim working is to get all the devs, and asian partner (humorous joke, for the humor impaired) | ||
| Yagisan | slug ?? no | 03:05 |
| ogra | oh, why ? | 03:05 |
| Yagisan | mhz: I can't afford to go to kiwi land | 03:05 |
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| ogra | Yagisan, i hope one of the confs in the near future will be in asia | 03:06 |
| Yagisan | ogra: because first I need to google for it | 03:06 |
| ogra | haha | 03:06 |
| ogra | youre in sydney, arent you ? | 03:06 |
| Yagisan | yep | 03:06 |
| ogra | so slug is for you then ;) | 03:06 |
| Yagisan | well, technically it's western sydney | 03:07 |
| ogra | mhz could send his poking through you to jdub ;) | 03:07 |
| ogra | with a *real* finger involved | 03:07 |
| Yagisan | oh, there is a linux users group here | 03:07 |
| mhz | ogra: :D | 03:07 |
| ogra | yes, the: | 03:07 |
| ogra | syfney | 03:08 |
| Yagisan | I should go | 03:08 |
| ogra | Linux | 03:08 |
| ogra | User | 03:08 |
| Yagisan | now where is it ? | 03:08 |
| ogra | Group | 03:08 |
| ogra | aka, slug ;) | 03:08 |
| Yagisan | ogra: slug is a pest related to a snail | 03:08 |
| Yagisan | :) | 03:08 |
| ogra | loool | 03:08 |
| mhz | lol | 03:08 |
| kjcole | Hiya... | 03:08 |
| mhz | M$ = snail | 03:08 |
| mhz | i had never seen it like that! | 03:08 |
| mhz | :D | 03:08 |
| mhz | hey kjcole Mr. EduDoc! | 03:09 |
| Yagisan | basically slugs are snails without shells | 03:09 |
| mhz | interesting | 03:09 |
| kjcole | mhz, Sitting here waiting for Elkner to arrive. (But I'm early. We're scheduled for 10 this morning.) | 03:09 |
| mhz | but I prefer NAT Geo or Discovery :) | 03:10 |
| kjcole | ogra, you had mentioned giving me clues as to what to do about "bzr push" (Though I want it to work on my server, I think the ideal solution for the Cookbook would be to have Launchpad keep it safe and warm.) | 03:11 |
| mhz | kjcole: please send my huge thanks to Elkner as well, because you 2 meeting on a sunday at 10 AM.. is very heroic! | 03:11 |
| mhz | and you are meeting to work not just to play cards | 03:11 |
| mhz | or role playing | 03:11 |
| ogra | kjcole, i dont think the launchpad supermirror is ready yet, you'll have to resort to your server for now | 03:11 |
| Yagisan | ogra: I'm a monkey, where is slug located ? | 03:12 |
| === mhz still loving BZR | ||
| kjcole | mhz, 10 isn't heroic -- last week's 8:30 on a Sunday *THAT* was heroic. ;-) | 03:12 |
| mhz | wow! yup!! | 03:12 |
| ogra | kjcole, the fastes way to have push working would be to run a ssh server on your server and use sftp pushing | 03:12 |
| ogra | but sftp is bretty slow for push, so probably an rsync server would be cooler | 03:12 |
| mhz | rsync is nice, very cool | 03:13 |
| kjcole | ogra, ssh server is running, but I've got to go back and figure out what I did to restrict access. (I had it running ssh server under Fedora, but had access to the machine very strictly controlled.) | 03:13 |
| ogra | just make sftp possible to the dir you have your branch in ... | 03:14 |
| mhz | kjcole: maybe Yagisan 'gifted non-sleepy-sec-expert' may help | 03:14 |
| kjcole | As for rsync, when I push, I think the error message is that it doesn't understand rsync. But I haven't banged around on that much. | 03:15 |
| ogra | that sounds like a server prob | 03:16 |
| Yagisan | Is the server aggressively firewalled ? | 03:17 |
| kjcole | ogra, yeah, my thought as well. | 03:17 |
| Yagisan | I've occasionally forgotten to open a port for ssh | 03:17 |
| === Yagisan will brb. time to do fathers duties :( I can smell it from here | ||
| ivan | No slug, no snail! I want to use kturtle. Who use this junior instrument? | 03:18 |
| kjcole | Yagisan, it was, under Fedora, but it isn't now (unless I've messed up when copying files from the old system to the new.) | 03:18 |
| kjcole | Yagisan, we're also behind the campus-wide firewall, but that doesn't block ssh -- unless they've changed something again without telling the community. (Wouldn't be the first time.) | 03:19 |
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| kjcole | Anyway, the sense I'm getting here is that the setup isn't anything unusual to get it working. So, let me poke around and see what I learn. | 03:20 |
| ogra | you can also use "scp -r . server:/path ", but that will copy the whole tree everytime ... | 03:21 |
| Yagisan | re | 03:27 |
| mhz | okis | 03:27 |
| mhz | Bye to you all! | 03:27 |
| mhz | see you tomorrow | 03:27 |
| mhz | have nice sunday rest of day | 03:28 |
| Yagisan | bye mhz, tel me how milk battle was! | 03:28 |
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| ogra | Yagisan, http://www.slug.org.au/ btw ... | 03:28 |
| kjcole | ogra, that's what I've been doing. But I want others to be able to push without opening my little office server to the world. (I had an unfortunate incident many years ago when I opened up the machine to someone off campus that I thought I could trust. That mistake ended up with the FBI hauling off my computer.) | 03:28 |
| Yagisan | thanks ogra: | 03:28 |
| ogra | oh, i wouldnt do that | 03:29 |
| kjcole | ogra, so, it's made me a bit shy of such things. | 03:29 |
| ogra | i'd just maintain a local branch and merge the changes locally, to push it later | 03:29 |
| Yagisan | kjcole: ouch | 03:29 |
| ogra | has the advantage of someone having the control over the tree ... | 03:29 |
| ogra | at least for development i find it veryimportant that one guy is the master and reviews the changes that go in | 03:30 |
| ogra | not sure about doc work though | 03:30 |
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| kjcole | OK. Well, I'm gonna run off now. Later all. | 03:32 |
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| Yagisan | ogra: slugs website doesn't make it obvious where the meetings are :( | 03:35 |
| ogra | poke jdub | 03:35 |
| ogra | he'll tell you | 03:35 |
| === Yagisan makes a note to find a pointy stick, and poke jdub until he squeals where the meetings are, and gives me the secret decoder ring of entry ;) | ||
| ogra | hehe | 03:38 |
| === Yagisan wishes he had a way to utilise his ltsp nodes to help encode his dvds | ||
| ogra | doesnt dvdrip have such an option ? | 04:05 |
| Yagisan | ogra: I've just found that via google, so I'm reading the docs now | 04:07 |
| Yagisan | ogra: it seems dvdrip wants to ssh to the clients, that may be problematic | 04:11 |
| ogra | just set up a aahd ... | 04:11 |
| ogra | sshd | 04:11 |
| === Yagisan twiddles thumbs while waiting for dvdrip and dependencies to download | ||
| Yagisan | oh happy happy joy joy dvdrip can't find it's dependencies :( | 04:30 |
| ogra | most likely it needs transcode and friends ... | 04:32 |
| Yagisan | but they downloaded too | 04:32 |
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| feria | hi all | 04:34 |
| Yagisan | G'day feria | 04:34 |
| feria | I ve been reading bout edubuntu and is great.... | 04:35 |
| feria | #edubuntu-es is alone, are there a contact for the spanish version? I Can contribute with translations... | 04:39 |
| feria | doh! MauricioHernandez en [MAILTO] mhz@tecnocimiento.cl si hablas castellano. | 04:40 |
| feria | sorry | 04:40 |
| ogra | feria, edubuntu is developed inside of ubuntu ... so rosetta is the place for translations | 04:40 |
| ogra | http://www.launchpad.net/ | 04:40 |
| feria | is a great idea, the kids are the future :) | 04:42 |
| feria | there are no live cd version yet? | 04:43 |
| ogra | see http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2005-December/000927.html | 04:47 |
| feria | thanks ogra :) | 04:49 |
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| jelkner | orga: have you seen (or heard) from mauricio (mhz) recently? | 05:11 |
| ogra | he was here this morning ... | 05:12 |
| ogra | until late afternoon | 05:12 |
| ogra | but said goodbye for the rest of the day | 05:12 |
| jelkner | in his time zone, it isn't even noon yet ;-) | 05:12 |
| ogra | he came in 13:30 UTC and left 16:30 UTC it seems ... | 05:13 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll catch him wednesday morning | 05:14 |
| jelkner | we had a great time yesterday at tennants and workers united | 05:14 |
| ogra | nice | 05:14 |
| jelkner | 6 new ubuntunteros | 05:14 |
| jelkner | all spanish sqeaking women | 05:15 |
| jelkner | we went on the ubuntu-es channel | 05:15 |
| ogra | and met mhz ? | 05:15 |
| jelkner | no, he wasn't there | 05:15 |
| jelkner | that's what i want to ask him | 05:15 |
| ogra | (there is edubuntu-es as well btw (see topic)) | 05:15 |
| jelkner | if he could join us next time | 05:15 |
| jelkner | oh | 05:16 |
| ogra | he runs it | 05:16 |
| jelkner | that would be even better | 05:16 |
| jelkner | we should meet there | 05:16 |
| jelkner | they are all newbies | 05:16 |
| ogra | thats fine ;) | 05:16 |
| jelkner | so we need some folks who wouldn't mind talking to newbies | 05:16 |
| jelkner | cool | 05:16 |
| jelkner | ok, on another topic | 05:16 |
| jelkner | kevin and i are here to work on the book | 05:17 |
| ogra | i dont mind talking to newbies, but somehow my spanish is nonexistent ;) | 05:17 |
| ogra | yep | 05:17 |
| jelkner | i'll hit you up when we have german newbies | 05:17 |
| jelkner | which i will have soon | 05:17 |
| ogra | send them to #edubuntu-de :) | 05:17 |
| jelkner | (actually german student newbies) | 05:17 |
| jelkner | cool! | 05:17 |
| jelkner | they are both new to ubuntu and new to german | 05:18 |
| ogra | hehe | 05:18 |
| jelkner | ok, bzr... | 05:18 |
| ogra | i could teach them both i guess | 05:18 |
| jelkner | cool | 05:18 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking of getting a virtual server to host the book | 05:18 |
| ogra | oh, a complete server ? | 05:19 |
| jelkner | yeah | 05:19 |
| ogra | isnt that a bit much for one branch ? | 05:19 |
| jelkner | it would cost 7.99 per month | 05:19 |
| jelkner | i could set it up until launchpad is ready | 05:19 |
| ogra | i think launchpad will be ready during this dev cycle, its just not ready *nw* | 05:19 |
| jelkner | (so only a few months) | 05:19 |
| ogra | *now | 05:19 |
| ogra | probably even weeks | 05:19 |
| jelkner | we can cancell the virtual machine any time we want | 05:20 |
| ogra | i saw the supermirror runnung locally at ubz | 05:20 |
| jelkner | so we'll only be out a few buck | 05:20 |
| jelkner | bucks | 05:20 |
| jelkner | anyway, can we check back with you if we have trouble getting bzr to work | 05:20 |
| ogra | sure | 05:21 |
| === jelkner goes off to setup bzr server... | ||
| ogra | for the normal usage thats fine, if it comes to bugs or deeper internals, #bzr is the better bet | 05:21 |
| jelkner | understood | 05:21 |
| highvoltage | hi ogra! | 05:21 |
| ogra | what i said to kjcole already, | 05:22 |
| ogra | you should maintian the branch rather locally | 05:22 |
| ogra | to have some control about the commits | 05:22 |
| ogra | and only have one person who is the central master and megres the different branches | 05:22 |
| ogra | hey highvoltage :) | 05:23 |
| ogra | at least thats what i do with code, to examine the changes first | 05:23 |
| highvoltage | ogra, I know I've asked you before (probably more than once), but where do I get the teacher control panel, formally known as teachertool from again? | 05:24 |
| ogra | highvoltage, either as package in dapper or from my bzr branch | 05:24 |
| highvoltage | s/formally/previously | 05:24 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/ | 05:24 |
| ogra | i worked out the vnc implementation spec last week... | 05:24 |
| ogra | i'll code it the next time i have some spare time that i can spend on it | 05:25 |
| highvoltage | cool, downloading now via APT | 05:26 |
| ogra | so the only missing bit is to work out a sane approach for remote execution of commands, which is the most tricky bit to make securely | 05:26 |
| highvoltage | my ISP went down about two weeks ago too, so now the only internet access i have is through GPRS :( | 05:26 |
| ogra | all other stuff is cosmetical .. | 05:26 |
| ogra | gah | 05:26 |
| ogra | thats bad | 05:26 |
| highvoltage | sounds almost impossible from a security point of view. | 05:27 |
| ogra | btw, did you see the release announcment ? | 05:27 |
| highvoltage | no, I didn't. | 05:27 |
| ogra | i thought that for vnc as well, but i think i found a half way secure implementation now | 05:27 |
| highvoltage | which release announcement? | 05:27 |
| ogra | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2005-December/000927.html | 05:28 |
| ogra | probably also intresting for jelkner ^^^ | 05:28 |
| ogra | but it went to edubuntu-devel anyway | 05:28 |
| highvoltage | oh yes, and to make things worse, my TSF e-mail account is IMAP only, and my @ubuntu address forwards there, IMAP over GPRS isn't far from ideal. i'm going to get a launchpad admin to redirect it to a pop address for me, then i'll be able to stay up to date with email again. | 05:29 |
| ogra | hmm you need a launchpad admin for this ? | 05:29 |
| ogra | doesnt it work through the UI ? | 05:29 |
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| highvoltage | nope :( | 05:30 |
| highvoltage | it just uses the e-mail address you registered with, you can't choose it yourself. | 05:30 |
| ogra | bah | 05:30 |
| ogra | #launchpad willhelp | 05:30 |
| highvoltage | yep, i've asked there and they said i should hold on for an admin. | 05:34 |
| === highvoltage ssh's to work and starts download of flight2 | ||
| ogra | yay | 05:34 |
| highvoltage | at least i don't need bandwidth to test edubuntu. i'll go to work tomorrow and fetch the iso | 05:34 |
| lucasvo | good evening! | 05:43 |
| lucasvo | jelkner: ping | 05:43 |
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| highvoltage | good evening lucasvo | 05:48 |
| lucasvo | what can one do with a iBook G4 ? | 05:49 |
| ogra | lucasvo, sell it to me for a cheap price for example :) | 05:50 |
| ogra | or test edubuntu powerpc ;) | 05:50 |
| lucasvo | ogra: I don't know, I bought it for 50.- but it had a broken display backlight, I combined it with mine, which had a broken logicboard | 05:51 |
| lucasvo | ogra: I will try install it | 05:51 |
| ogra | great... see the "known" problems section in the release announcement | 05:51 |
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| lucasvo | ogra: just read it/ | 05:52 |
| highvoltage | bbl... | 05:55 |
| lucasvo | ogra: if I download your bzr archive, can I change it and make a patch, which you may or may not apply? | 05:57 |
| ogra | make your change, commit it and upload the whole tree somewhere ... then i can merge it | 05:57 |
| lucasvo | lucasvo@lama:~$ bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/ | 05:58 |
| lucasvo | bzr: ERROR: URLError instance has no attribute 'code' | 05:58 |
| ogra | hmm, funny | 05:59 |
| ogra | orks fine here | 05:59 |
| ogra | *works | 06:00 |
| ogra | i'm just pullin it | 06:00 |
| ogra | ask in #bzr what this could be | 06:02 |
| lucasvo | command: '/usr/bin/bzr' 'get' 'http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/' | 06:02 |
| lucasvo | pwd: u'/home/lucasvo' | 06:02 |
| lucasvo | error: exceptions.AttributeError | 06:02 |
| lucasvo | at /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib/transport/http.py line 146, in get() | 06:02 |
| ogra | but here it works flawless | 06:02 |
| lucasvo | see ~/.bzr.log for debug information | 06:02 |
| lucasvo | lucasvo@lama:~$ | 06:02 |
| ogra | no idea, sorry, i'm only bzr user | 06:02 |
| ogra | trying it here works fine as i said | 06:03 |
| ogra | its just getting revision 138 | 06:03 |
| lucasvo | lol | 06:04 |
| lucasvo | it works now | 06:04 |
| ogra | what was the prob ? | 06:04 |
| lucasvo | fetch revision | 06:04 |
| lucasvo | k.a. | 06:04 |
| lucasvo | it may be a crappy internet connection | 06:05 |
| lucasvo | (wifi) | 06:05 |
| ogra | hmm | 06:05 |
| ogra | ah | 06:05 |
| ogra | here too | 06:05 |
| lucasvo | hm, no | 06:05 |
| lucasvo | it didn't work | 06:05 |
| ogra | ogra@honk:~/testldm $ bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/ | 06:05 |
| ogra | Branched 219 revision(s). | 06:05 |
| ogra | ogra@honk:~/testldm $ | 06:05 |
| ogra | worked fine | 06:05 |
| lucasvo | when I pull an archive there comes an error: http://pastebin.com/469076 | 06:05 |
| ogra | as i said, no idea about the bzr internals.... ask in #bzr it works fine here | 06:06 |
| ogra | do you have a proxy ? | 06:06 |
| lucasvo | I actually wanted to post it in #bzr :D | 06:06 |
| lucasvo | no I don't | 06:06 |
| ogra | can you browser the url ? | 06:07 |
| ogra | -r | 06:07 |
| lucasvo | yes | 06:07 |
| ogra | strange | 06:08 |
| ogra | probably the log shows more info ... | 06:08 |
| lucasvo | Err http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources | 06:23 |
| lucasvo | Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) | 06:23 |
| lucasvo | Failed to fetch http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/universe/source/Sources.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) | 06:23 |
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| fitzwillie | Anyone available to give a first time installer a hand with some problems? | 06:30 |
| ogra | fitzwillie, you read the install notes page from the opic ? | 06:30 |
| ogra | *topic | 06:30 |
| fitzwillie | ogra: I've read everything I can get my hands on, espeically serching for the particular errors I'm getting, and no luck | 06:31 |
| ogra | so whats your prob ? | 06:31 |
| fitzwillie | After starting the install, I am repeatedly getting some variation on "Invalid Compressed Format (err=2)" or "CRC Error" - I have done a checksum on my download, and re-burnt my disk at 2x to make sure it's not one of those causing it | 06:33 |
| fitzwillie | and I've tried every mix of the switches suggested in the help menus | 06:33 |
| ogra | there is also a media check on the CD ... it runs qite long, but checks every sector on the burned disk | 06:33 |
| fitzwillie | Can I run that from the boot prompt? | 06:34 |
| ogra | either use expert install or go "back" at every point of the installation | 06:34 |
| ogra | it will drop you into a menu | 06:34 |
| ogra | near the bottom there is "media integrity check" | 06:34 |
| fitzwillie | I don't even get to that menu (okay, I did once, and can't repeat how I did it). it hands up on "Uncompressing Linux" at the very start | 06:35 |
| ogra | probably your CD rom doesnt like the media ... i have an apple around that only boots from certain media | 06:35 |
| fitzwillie | heh, that would be just my luck. Though I've tried two different types of CD media. | 06:36 |
| ogra | i found exactly on out of five types i have that boots on it ... | 06:36 |
| ogra | *one | 06:37 |
| fitzwillie | ack. almost makes this not worth it. I don't think I have the patience to try and find out which type of CD will work :( | 06:37 |
| fitzwillie | ahh well, thanks anyway. I'll go try something else. | 06:39 |
| ogra | what kind of HW is that ? | 06:40 |
| fitzwillie | P3, 266mhz, 3gb HD, 160mb ram | 06:41 |
| ogra | sounds fine ... | 06:42 |
| ogra | and the CDRom ? | 06:42 |
| fitzwillie | haven't sorted that out specifically - looked around the bios but couldn't determine the specific | 06:42 |
| ogra | scsi or ide ? or any weird kind of soundblaster driven kind ? | 06:43 |
| fitzwillie | ide | 06:43 |
| ogra | ah, k | 06:43 |
| fitzwillie | ogra: thanks, gotta run for now... may try this again over the xmas break :) | 06:45 |
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| lucasvo | ogra: this document is invalid, as it is written in the command above: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/client/themes/default/color | 07:30 |
| lucasvo | ogra: you forgot to define : background = "#ffffde" | 07:31 |
| ogra | works fine here | 07:31 |
| lucasvo | ogra: I mean in the comment :D | 07:31 |
| lucasvo | ogra: you didn't mention the background attribute | 07:32 |
| lucasvo | # Values known by ldm: | 07:32 |
| ogra | oh, yes, it was a last minute commit :) | 07:32 |
| lucasvo | #ronja Theme: Edubuntu < in the edubuntu theme :D | 07:32 |
| lucasvo | em I mean NOT in the edubuntu theme, instead in ubuntu theme | 07:33 |
| ogra | ah, yeah | 07:33 |
| MrMazda | ogra: u still need https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFlight2Announcement looked at by a native tongue? | 07:33 |
| lucasvo | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/client/themes/Ubuntu/colors | 07:33 |
| ogra | MrMazda, nope, its out now ... | 07:33 |
| ogra | i had some people at #ubuntu-devel looking at it | 07:33 |
| ogra | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2005-December/000927.html | 07:34 |
| ogra | :) | 07:34 |
| lucasvo | ah, Jonathan ridell changed quite a lot :D | 07:35 |
| ogra | yup | 07:35 |
| ogra | together with Colin Watson ... | 07:36 |
| ogra | who is our walking spellchecker :) | 07:36 |
| lucasvo | :D | 07:36 |
| lucasvo | it was an old bzr version :P | 07:37 |
| lucasvo | that's why bzr didn't work | 07:37 |
| lucasvo | ogra: what version are you using/ | 07:37 |
| ogra | the daily builds | 07:38 |
| lucasvo | ah, and what is in dapper? | 07:39 |
| lucasvo | is dapper a daily builds? | 07:39 |
| ogra | i dont think so | 07:39 |
| ogra | not sure whats te default | 07:39 |
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| lucasvo | hi kjcole | 09:00 |
| kjcole | Hi, | 09:01 |
| lucasvo | one should split up #ubuntu into sevaral channels, it is too crowded | 09:07 |
| highvoltage | it is quite crowded. | 09:08 |
| lucasvo | one can not talk normally in there | 09:08 |
| highvoltage | that could also be said for most IRC channels ;) | 09:08 |
| lucasvo | not really, for e.g. edubuntu | 09:09 |
| lucasvo | at least there is #ubuntu-kernel & #ubuntu-devel | 09:09 |
| lucasvo | maybe #ubuntu-network | 09:10 |
| lucasvo | would be good, to talk about wifi and other network issues | 09:10 |
| lucasvo | or #ubuntu-hardware to talk about h/w support | 09:10 |
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| lucasvo | anybody around? | 09:41 |
| MrMazda | me here | 09:46 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: you are a teacher? | 09:48 |
| lucasvo | MrMazda: do you have kids in school who work with pc? | 09:48 |
| MrMazda | just have 1 10 year old | 09:48 |
| lucasvo | I just talked to my brother about it, he is 11 | 09:49 |
| lucasvo | I am trying to find out what they do with PC in school | 09:49 |
| lucasvo | for e.g. he said they use firefox, they have their own user | 09:49 |
| MrMazda | mine now at cousin's on Christmas holiday | 09:50 |
| lucasvo | do they have pc at school? | 09:50 |
| MrMazda | her class has 1 Mac & 3 PC | 09:50 |
| MrMazda | plus lots in the lab & libarary | 09:52 |
| MrMazda | plus lots in the lab & library | 09:52 |
| lucasvo | and what educational software do they have? | 09:55 |
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| lucasvo | ogra: my sister just started up in xfce, her reaction was: Cool, was ist das? kann ich das behalten? | 10:00 |
| ogra | hehe | 10:00 |
| lucasvo | I did apt-get install xubuntu-desktop | 10:00 |
| lucasvo | and so now default is xfce | 10:00 |
| lucasvo | I think one should include xfce to edubuntu | 10:01 |
| lucasvo | or at least make a GUI for changing this setting | 10:01 |
| lucasvo | but now keyboard layout doesn't work anymore :( | 10:02 |
| ogra | you have a gui for that, its called synaptic | 10:05 |
| ogra | and xubuntu-desktop will be in main in dapper ... and thus on the DVD | 10:06 |
| ogra | the CD has no space left at all | 10:06 |
| lucasvo | :D | 10:06 |
| lucasvo | ogra: I mean, how to set default wm | 10:07 |
| lucasvo | ogra: isn't there something like ltsp-admin? | 10:07 |
| ogra | ope, dont touch it | 10:07 |
| ogra | thats for the old ltsp and breaks ours completely | 10:07 |
| lucasvo | ogra: but isn't there a gui for ltsp? | 10:07 |
| ogra | nope | 10:07 |
| lucasvo | hm, ok | 10:08 |
| lucasvo | in that case one should make one | 10:08 |
| ogra | not yet... and its unlikely the one i started will make dapper | 10:08 |
| lucasvo | maybe for dapper +1 | 10:08 |
| lucasvo | aha, | 10:08 |
| lucasvo | so you did start one | 10:08 |
| ogra | look in my bzr archive ... | 10:09 |
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| chevy | buying a new ethernet card for my PC to get it working with edubuntu . . other than avoiding 3Com, any specific suggestions? | 10:10 |
| a-865 | cheap realtek works for me | 10:11 |
| lucasvo | ltsp manager? | 10:11 |
| lucasvo | http://rom-o-matic.net/5.4.1/etherboot-5.4.1/src/bin/NIC | 10:12 |
| lucasvo | ^^ list of working cards with etherboot | 10:12 |
| chevy | thanks | 10:12 |
| MrMazda | no idea | 10:13 |
| lucasvo | ogra: is it ltsp-manager? | 10:13 |
| ogra | yup | 10:13 |
| ogra | nah, look for PXE based cards and you wont need silly bootfloppies | 10:14 |
| ogra | the rom-o-matic list is exactly the list of cards you dont want if you buy a new one anyway | 10:14 |
| ogra | PXE cards lie around 15 ... | 10:15 |
| ogra | or 10 pound ... | 10:15 |
| ogra | chevy, ^^^ | 10:15 |
| lucasvo | PXE doesn't need any bootrom? | 10:17 |
| ogra | nope | 10:17 |
| chevy | ogra . . how's it going | 10:17 |
| chevy | yep still looking! | 10:17 |
| ogra | chevy, all fine, thanks :) | 10:18 |
| chevy | 10 is a lot for an ethernet card! | 10:18 |
| ogra | what the normal price in the uk ? | 10:18 |
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| ogra | you might get them cheaper | 10:19 |
| chevy | about 4 | 10:20 |
| lucasvo | ogra: do you know why keyboard is not working in xfce | 10:20 |
| chevy | markets flooded with 10/100s | 10:20 |
| lucasvo | chevy: but not the ones with pxe | 10:20 |
| ogra | lucasvo, no idea ... janimo is in -devel, he's the xfce maintainer ... and crimsun is somethimes here .. he'S the other one | 10:24 |
| chevy | thanks ogra lucasvo | 10:27 |
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| lucasvo | ogra: ping | 11:09 |
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