[12:04] don't hafta buy blanks [12:04] but you need internet access [12:04] true [12:04] my boss is african ;) [12:05] POTS? [12:05] there its hard to get even power, forget about more than a phoneline to go online ... [12:05] MrMazda: internetaccess (dsl) costs 50 bucks a month, this is fare more expansive than 1 blank for 1 $ [12:05] I hear DSL in parts of Europe cheaper than POTS [12:06] yes it is [12:06] i pay about 10 for the line and about 20 for the flatrate ... [12:06] in CH for e.g. [12:06] lucky [12:06] I pay 50 for flatrate + Line [12:06] I pay $42 US total/mo [12:06] could be cheaper if i wouldnt live in the middle of nowhere [12:06] cabul, not DSL [12:06] pretty fast [12:06] cityflat :D [12:07] MrMazda: how fast? [12:07] cable is great if you dont have millions of users on one line [12:07] I have 600kbit up 150 kbit down [12:07] CD takes less than 40 minute download [12:07] unless server slow [12:07] yup [12:07] thats nice :) [12:07] makes FTP installs fast [12:08] my shipit connection takes about 3 weeks to download cd's :D [12:08] i'm at the very end of the line here ... 768k is the biggest i can get [12:08] ogra: skyDSL :D [12:08] wget usually shows me just under 600 [12:08] but thats the price i like to pay for the view ;) [12:09] ogra: ronja/wifi can give you connection for 15km, maybe there you would get a better connection? [12:09] http://www.grawert.net/gallery/pano/ [12:09] wow, that's really out of nowhere [12:09] lucasvo, yes, but i'd need someone to be the upstream for it and still several hops to get over the hills [12:12] should it be ready for the restart yet? [12:12] it should telly you ... [12:12] -y [12:12] I'm downstairs, it's upstairs [12:12] ah, k === \sh is now known as \sh_away [12:13] 30 min is a good time to have a look i think ... +/- 10 min for the slower HW [12:15] ogra: is there already a client for s-c-p [12:15] ogra: will there be any? [12:15] client ? [12:15] which has control over the X session [12:16] or won't it be able to change the Xserver? [12:16] what for ? [12:16] blank a screen? [12:16] show video? [12:16] thats a thing to do with the screensaver [12:16] ah ok [12:17] and how do you want to activate screensaver? [12:17] forget about video in ltap [12:17] ltsp [12:17] why? [12:17] becuse you wont make it work fluid ... [12:17] too slow? [12:17] too much data foling over the netlink [12:18] *flowing [12:18] video or GL are things you cnt solve without running stuff locally on the client [12:19] CD ejected [12:19] great :) [12:20] the F[3-7] screens should have the word "workstation" somewhere [12:20] yup [12:20] my bad [12:20] its pretty different in dapper already [12:20] since we use gfxboot for the CD ... [12:20] suse very friendlytweaked it for us to work in ubuntu ;) [12:21] SuSE my favorite Linux installer [12:21] yast2 ? [12:21] Mandriva good too [12:21] but it only runs on x86 [12:21] FC sux [12:21] package selection part of FC very limited [12:21] no search [12:21] we support 5 arches ... so we need something that work on all of them [12:22] *works [12:22] Xandros installer nice, but very simple [12:23] the ubuntu/debian installer is the most powerful one that exists ... but you sadly have to live with the bluescreen ... [12:23] why isn't Firefox on the Kubuntu CD? [12:23] it isnt ? [12:23] it wasn [12:23] it wasn't installed [12:24] i didnt know that ... i only help riddell to test the liveCD sometimes, but that doesnt go beyond testing if it boots and starting 1-2 apps [12:25] doesn't matter, I use mozilla.org builds any way -> http://cvs-www.mozilla.org/webtools/bonsai/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla-org/html/unix/dpi.html&rev=&root=/cvsroot/ [12:25] thats fine for kubuntu, but i wouldnt do that in ubuntu/edubuntu [12:26] from /usr/local [12:26] I leave the distro builds alone [12:26] yes, but there is much stuff linked against firefox ... i.e. the gnoem helpsystem [12:27] /usr/local/lib will overrde /usr/lib [12:27] right, so I leave all that undisturbed, and just run from /usr/local/firefox [12:27] not installed, untarred [12:27] ah, only the binary [12:27] that should be fine .. [12:28] works fine everywhere else that has the legacy libs available [12:28] yup [12:29] http://cvs-www.mozilla.org/webtools/bonsai/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla-org/html/ports/os2/index.html&rev=&root=/cvsroot/ === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #edubuntu [12:30] hi crimsun_ [12:30] hi [12:30] wonky coffee shop wifi ;) [12:30] hehe [12:31] is there anything like alt-tab for switching from different apps from different desktops? === crimsun_ is now known as crimsun [12:37] how can I open a shell as a user with the X display set correctly? [12:37] you cant [12:37] :( [12:37] usually xhost does that [12:38] but over a local tcp socket [12:38] how can I run a command as a special user with X set correctly? [12:38] since thats very insecure, tcp transport is disabled in ubuntu [12:39] if i would know how to do that in a secure way, you could look it up in the s-c-p source ;) [12:40] how can I edit the menus in gnome, they got really messed up after dapper upgrade [12:40] i'll have to inspect the ssh tunneling protocol a bit more, there mustbe a possibility to hook in there somewhere [12:41] right click on the ubuntu logo [12:41] ah [12:41] is there some reset button? [12:41] found it [12:41] niot that i'm aware of .. [12:42] Revert :D [12:42] ah the "Defaults" button, right === pitux [n=pitux@103-183-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [12:55] ogra: is it OK to simply tack the isa sound card module onto the bottom of /etc/modules manually? [12:55] it's what I did in kubuntu [12:55] did it work ? [12:55] 1 [12:56] if it did, that should work in edubuntu as well [12:56] didn't know if that was another no-no [12:56] just make sure o use the alsa module ... (the one that starts with snd- ) [12:57] snd-azt2320 [12:57] yup, thats fine [12:57] learned that in Xandrox [12:57] learned that in Xandros [12:58] 80% done, wasting time again on wierd fonts [12:59] heh, yes, i thought about dropping some, but we support 90 languages ... and these fonts are needed ... [01:00] only after the other langs installed though, right? [01:00] not really, for example it maked japanese websites not looking weird if you accidently end up on one ... [01:01] but that indeed doesnt teach you the lang *g* [01:01] who knows from wierd if only you can read English [01:01] they should probably be tied to the language packs ... [01:01] but that would blow them up even more ... [01:02] and if i look at the kde language packs i get nightmares ... === Hemet_Ka [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:06] hey Hemet_Ka === lucasvo for e.g. is just looking at a chinese webiste :D === Hemet_Ka is now known as Lord_Athur [01:06] you left to fast :) [01:06] hi ogra [01:06] hiow are you? [01:06] :D [01:06] hi Lord_Athur [01:06] there are squashfs-tools, you might probably find what you look for in there .. === edited [n=Sound@ool-4355c7cd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:07] mm [01:07] ok ogra [01:07] hi lucasvo [01:08] are the metadistros good distros? [01:08] which ones specifically ? [01:08] mmm [01:08] ubuntu is the best distro ! :D [01:09] I don't know, I want to make one [01:09] :P [01:09] jejeje [01:09] It'd be only for learn more about distros... [01:09] look at the existing ones and look at the userbase ... then guess yourself ... [01:09] (edubuntu is a metadistro ;) ) [01:09] you're right [01:09] as well as userlinux [01:09] I'll see it [01:09] Lord_Athur: what metadistro do you want to do? [01:10] one with KDEas the default GE & one with my programs [01:10] if you compare userlinux with edubuntu. you'll find very different outcome ... [01:11] metaistro basically means that you have a metapackage that defines a subset of anouther distro to be installed [01:11] mmm [01:12] ok [01:12] userlinux is a set of metapackages in debian, but has no real userbase ... edubuntu and kubuntu are metadistros in ubuntu ... [01:12] consisting of metapackages (edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-server, edubuntu-artwork) [01:12] or kubuntu-desktop ... [01:13] mmm [01:13] can I put the Kubuntu-desktop in the devian server? [01:13] i wouldnt try that [01:14] ogra, how can I use the apckage of squashfs-tools? [01:14] no idea, as i told you before, i have no experience with squashfs [01:14] but i saw there is this package ... [01:15] ok [01:15] thanks [01:15] ogra: gdm is up [01:15] I've to go [01:15] bye [01:15] look in /usr/share/doc/ squashfs-tools [01:15] gah [01:15] he's always to fast to get the important info :P [01:15] MrMazda, YAY !!! [01:16] need to unerror 'linux workstation' [01:16] now it's safe 4 u 2 goto bed [01:16] :) [01:16] not anymore ... as i said, we use gfxboot in the new CD ;) [01:16] so you got a wimple menu to select from ... [01:17] *simple [01:17] just a password box [01:17] its only 1am... i usually am up until 3 or 4 ;) [01:17] ogra: and when do you have to begin working? [01:18] first thing is get nfs, Gecko & Chatzilla going [01:18] ogra: are you more inactive when you work anyway? === MrMazda goes back upstairs [01:18] lucasvo, as i like ... as long as edubuntu is ready at release day and i finish my spec in time ;) [01:18] *specs [01:18] MrMazda: always think that your daughter maybe not want to have that many options as you like to :D [01:18] this here *is* my work [01:18] ogra: so it is akkordarbeit :P [01:19] nope, just slavery of the release schedule ;) [01:19] ogra: maybe sabfdl should add something to your specs, that you are in a hurry a little bit more :D [01:19] i could stop after 8h of work if i'd like [01:20] but then it *would* be "akkordarbeit" ;) [01:20] this way i'm online ~14h and have nice chats inbetween ... [01:20] ogra: arghhhhh! 640x480 :( [01:20] damned [01:21] MrMazda: you already had the problem wiht kubuntu, didn't you [01:21] ? [01:21] did it work better with kubuntu ? [01:21] prolly same as b4, no vert/horiz lines in xorg.conf [01:21] yup [01:21] MrMazda: it was the wrong horsync [01:21] I had to put them in manually b4 [01:21] not wrong, NONE [01:21] they are not needed with recent HW, but if your monitor doesnt report the DDC values right, you need them [01:22] err DCC [01:22] I can put them in and restart X, but should I save the logs for a bug report? [01:22] wont fix the herdware i guess [01:22] I looked yesterday for such bugs [01:22] *hard [01:22] lots recently fixed or duped [01:22] MrMazda: except mine :( [01:23] its the DCC reporting of the monitor thats not working [01:23] ogra: daniels is not around, where is he? [01:23] perparing for uni, he starts studying in january [01:23] aha [01:24] so he's not around 20h/day anymore [01:24] Unpacking mythtv-backend (from .../mythtv-backend_0.18.1-5_i386.deb) ... [01:24] Setting up mythtv-backend (0.18.1-5) ... [01:24] chown: `mythtv:mythtv': invalid user [01:24] May 1998 Sony CPD-200 [01:24] ogra: where does he live? [01:24] melbourne [01:24] ah, crap [01:24] so I have to look for him in the night [01:25] MrMazda, sudo ddcprobe [01:27] the germans are crazy, they want to use soldiers for WM, a civil war! === ogra is a happy soccer ater [01:28] *hater === lucasvo too === Hemet_Ka [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:29] there is nothing as boring as soccer games on tv [01:29] ogra, I found this page about Metadistros http://metadistros.hispalinux.org/ [01:30] it's in Spanish, but you can select your language [01:31] could you see it? [01:31] i know hispalinux, they were at the edubuntu summit [01:32] realy? [01:32] what does the word summit mean? [01:32] :S [01:32] s well as guadalinux and lliurex and linex [01:32] I'm a bag Englsih speaker [01:32] a developer gathering [01:32] ok [01:33] seems in spain, every village has its own distro :) [01:33] then the matadistro project that the page shows must be a good alternative for me [01:33] many of them are switching to ubuntu ... [01:34] but I cannot download the software that is in the page [01:34] :S [01:34] go to hispalinux.es [01:34] that might help [01:35] but the page send me to http://metadistros.hispalinux.org/ [01:35] it's the same [01:35] xD [01:35] heh [01:35] looks somehow unmaintained === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:37] [01:37] ah, no, last post dec 17 [01:37] jeje [01:39] good night! [01:39] :D lucasvo [01:40] night [01:40] is the kubuntu-desktop package in only one file? [01:40] its a meta package ... [01:40] so its an empty package that only has dependencys [01:41] ok [01:41] apt-get source kubuntu-desktop and have a look === Navire [n=navire@200.172.83.129] has joined #edubuntu [01:44] I instaled Edubuntu there, with old client petium 100Mhz 32RAM. Hi not suport boot PXE, suport boot on floppy. Start, but very slow!!!! Someone can help me? [01:46] Anyone know how to do this? [01:49] I don't know [01:50] Ok [01:50] Hemet, Do you use LTSP? [01:50] what's LTSP? [01:51] Liniux Terminal Server Project. Terminal Server fro Linux [01:52] no, Idon't use it [01:52] Thank you. :) [01:52] Do you use Edubuntu ou Ubuntu? [01:53] is there a page to read more about LTSP [01:53] mm [01:53] Kubuntu [01:54] this don't have to be too different [01:54] realy? [01:54] KDE is better then gnome (it's what i think) [01:56] I will use KDE, but now use GNome on Ubuntu is very good!! [01:57] :P [01:57] lol [01:58] Try Gnome and to see it is very very good than KDE. [01:59] On Ubuntu [02:05] I've seen gnome [02:05] but I prefer KDE [02:07] It's the best [02:13] I'll be bask in 5 minutes === luluroot [n=chatzill@B2a-CommercialWay-Brooksville-28.ij.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:17] ogra: it's MrMazda upstairs on edubuntu/firefox/chatzilla [02:17] lucasvo: u awake? [02:18] again unknown key garbage on the consoles === luluroot wonders if he's talking to himself === MrMazda sees that's not so === Hemet_Ka [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:24] hi [02:33] hello Hemet_Ka [02:33] :D [02:33] hi MrMazda [02:38] I think everyone else watchin TV or asleep :-p [02:39] or whatever they do besides puters on weekends [02:52] I have to go now, I will sleep now [02:52] Good bye evebady [02:52] See you later [02:52] take care [02:52] I love Gnome :) [02:52] cul8r [02:52] The best Desktop === Navire [n=navire@200.172.83.129] has left #edubuntu [] === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.94.92] has joined #edubuntu === Hemet_Ka [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:02] hi === Hemet_Ka is now known as Lord_Athur === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-93-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === luluroot jumps up and down waving a flag in ogra's face === luluroot is now known as lululinux === freelove [n=yasser@59.93.240.203] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-93-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:15] help [04:15] ogra: help [04:15] lucasvo: help [04:15] somebody help === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.94.33] has joined #edubuntu === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:52] re === lululinux [n=chatzill@B2a-CommercialWay-Brooksville-28.ij.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:09] MrMazda: what broke ? [05:15] grub [05:15] fixed now [05:15] dumb install too stupid to play local mp3 files though === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:15] lululinux: you need to enable restriced formats for mp3 [05:15] mebbe mhz knows how to fix it ;-) [05:15] lululinux: f*cking patent issues [05:15] what's that mean? [05:16] hi all [05:16] how [05:16] G'day mhz - what's the wiki page for restricted formats say, basically, add universe and multiverse right ? [05:16] iirc [05:17] added universe long time ago === Yagisan has very slow access today < 64k [05:17] multiverse is restricted [05:17] first thing practically, since mc is missing from the CD [05:17] i mean, multiverse is the 'non-always-free-zone' [05:17] lululinux: yep, the wonderful mc is universe. you need to add multiverse [05:19] lululinux: First https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto [05:20] lululinux: then https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [05:20] wiki is screwed up [05:20] should help with mp3 [05:20] huge horizontal scroll [05:20] can't use it [05:20] wiki works fine for me @ 1024x768 [05:21] not here [05:21] huge horizontal scroll [05:22] lululinux: do you have granny fonts setup ie big fonts instead of standard ? [05:22] lululinux: control + 0 in firefox should fix it [05:23] mhz: how are you today ? [05:25] tired, i couldnt sleep friday-saturday night [05:25] .oO(it's sunday 01:25 AM) [05:26] mhz: me either, Eric would get up every hour to either shit, or eat. [05:26] mhz: have you seen Iron Chef ? [05:26] hehehehe [05:27] nope, never seen iron chef [05:27] mhz: you poor thing, you have no idea what you are missing! [05:27] hehehe === ivan [n=ivan@194.186.210.64] has joined #edubuntu [05:44] Yagisan: a lunatic built http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html [05:45] too wide because huge whitespace in the 
 stuff
[05:45]  see e.g. line 613
[05:47]  only fits on screen by using mousetype, which I can't read
[05:48]  Yagisan: horizontal scroll even at 1792x1344
[05:50]  you must have some weird settings somewhere
[05:50]  all 3 puters same problem
[05:51]  a lunatic built http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html
[05:54]  I'm sending you a screenie of how it looks to me
[05:56]  Tried both firefox and konqueror, I can't reproduce *any* horizontal scroll, without making the fonts excessively large
[05:58]  MrMazda: send me a screenshot
[05:59]  http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/accessibility.html
[06:01]  Yagisan: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/helpubuntu.gif
[06:02]  Chatzilla was backlogged again :-p
[06:03]  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319219
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[06:04]  http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez/EdubuntuRelatedPhotos
[06:06]  MrMazda: your fonts are too large, that's why it displays odd. On a visual inspection, that page would meet WAI-A accessibility ratings.
[06:06]  no it wouldn't
[06:06]  my fonts are EXACTLY the right size
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[06:07]  Yagisan: http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/accessibility.html http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/defaultsize.html
[06:09]  too wide because huge whitespace in the 
 stuff
[06:09]  see e.g. line 613
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[06:11]  http://cvs-www.mozilla.org/webtools/bonsai/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla-org/html/unix/dpi.html&rev=&root=/cvsroot/
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[06:15]  MrMazda: Well, I didn't write it, btw I sense some irony that your default size page also fails to validate at WAI standards ;)
[06:15]  IIRC the documetation is being updated for dapper
[06:15]  so I'm sure it will be fixed
[06:16]  Yagisan: what fails?
[06:17]  since Bobby disappeared I haven't checked anything
[06:17]  MrMazda: For my business website I use http://webxact.watchfire.com/
[06:18]  MrMazda: I try for level AAA if possible, but some pages are only AA
[06:19]  MrMazda: it failed at level AA
[06:20]  MrMazda: You also may want to rethink Comic Sans MS, that is a hard font to read
[06:20]  look at why, it claims way lotta broken links, links that aren't even on the page
[06:21]  COMIC SANS IS NOT HARD TO READ unless it is too small, and I only use it for TITLES
[06:21]  I don't care who doesn't like Comic Sans
[06:21]  They can uninstall it if they hate it
[06:22]  where is it finding all the broken links?
[06:22]  MrMazda: 1, the links are there I read the source, 2 what a hypocritical response for an accessibility person
[06:22]  MrMazda: thanks for assuming MY default size
[06:23]  ???
[06:23]  all I assume about your default is that you chose it appropriately
[06:25]  http://webxact2.watchfire.com/report.asp?t=1&s=5&ts=8450&y=0 claims 6i1 broken links in a page that doesn't even have 10 links in it total
[06:25]  http://webxact2.watchfire.com/report.asp?t=1&s=5&ts=8450&y=0 claims 61 broken links in a page that doesn't even have 10 links in it total
[06:26]  Yagisan: now I see we weren't talking about the same page
[06:27]  :)
[06:27]  http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/defaultsize.html is that I thought you meant, and I pasted the wrong URI
[06:27]  http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/wauth1.html has stuff I have don't have adequate web space for
[06:28]  MrMazda: something to keep in mind, is that every  tag, even if it points to the same page is a link
[06:30]  Yagisan: the priority 2 failure on http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/defaultsize.html is due to code pasted into the page directly from the WC3 site for the validation link. o_O
[06:32]  silly stuff, like not liking H5 to follow H1
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[10:26]  hello
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[12:03]  hello ivan 
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[01:01]  ogra: I am now python pro :D
[01:01]  ogra: is there anything I can do with s-c-p?
[02:00]  couls some native english speaker check the edubuntu flight2 release announcement for typos and grammar ? 
[02:00]  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFlight2Announcement
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[02:10]  spacey: ping
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[02:22]  G'day mhz
[02:22]  wow!
[02:23]  Yagisan: gifted guy! :D
[02:23]  mhz: did I do something right again ?
[02:23]  hehehe, being awake
[02:24]  mhz: It's called two small children :)
[02:24]  I look like a panda, big black rings under my eyes
[02:24]  LOL!!1
[02:25]  mhz: what is this mythical sleep you speak of ? I know no such thing
[02:26]  :)
[02:26]  'mythical' hehehe
[02:26]  wait til they're over 5
[02:26]  wohoo, just got free bigger HD, free RAM, and free faster CPU. See ya later mhz Yagisan & lucasvo . :)
[02:28]  Yagisan: is bittorrent on commandline?
[02:28]  mhz: yes!! I can send them to school - I'll become fully nocturnal, I can sleep again
[02:28]  mhz: I don't no, I don't use the bittorent clients with ubuntu
[02:29]  s/no/know
[02:29]  I use azureus for my bittorent stuff
[02:29]  mhz, just clisk a .torrent file in firefox, gnome-bitorrent will care for it ...
[02:30]  but that needs a java 1.5 runtime, most likely sun's, although blackdown, or ibm should do it.
[02:30]  ogra: hehehe, you make life too easy :)
[02:30]  heh
[02:30]  I'll be very happy when gcj runs azureus
[02:30]  or at least kaffe or sablevm
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[02:31]  I know i am no advanced GNU/Linux user but I do know I prefer to do things manually so I have little clues of what's going on, ogra
[02:32]  otherwise, I'd probably use Mac OSX :)
[02:32]  .oO(well, I wouldn't because it is not Free as in freedom)
[02:33]  you can also download the .torrent file and open it manually with gnome-btdownload ;)
[02:33]  hehehehehehehehehehe
[02:34]  ogra: I really like your sense of humour (very diff from other german guys i have met)
=== Yagisan wonders, how many people would still use torrents, if you took all the porn away ...
=== mhz has never used torrent, only wget -c
[02:35]  edubuntu testers ? (hopefully=
[02:35]  Of course, with porn gone, there would be no need for adsl2, as suddenly there would be excess bandwidth for all
[02:35]  BTW, why is torrent so recommended?
[02:36]  because it saves bandwidth for everyone ...
[02:36]  It spreads the bandwidth load over all people involved
[02:36]  you can get you download done quicker
[02:36]  as all p2p apps do :)
[02:37]  s/get you/get your
[02:37]  Of course, that does rely on you also sharing the download to at least a 1:1 ratio
[02:38]  mhz: Don't forget to watch milk battle :)
[02:40]  Yagisan: 80%
[02:41]  Yagisan: but is that the very best featured?
[02:41]  sorry, ogra can answer too ;)
[02:44]  mhz: best feature bittorrent client ?
[02:44]  mhz: My personal preference is azureus http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
[02:45]  mhz: but as I said, needs java 1.5 compatible runtime
[02:45]  mhz: IIRC there may be an ubuntu package for it in dapper
[02:46]  hmm, interesting
[02:46]  for 1.5 ?
[02:46]  not as long as ibm doesnt release a 1.5 blackdown package
[02:46]  no, the azureus package
[02:46]  .oO(maybe Emacs have a 'torrent' like plugin :)
[02:46]  IIRC I thought I saw it either in ubuntu or debian
[02:47]  perhaps debian mentors
=== Yagisan grabs things out of many repos
=== mhz notices azureus sounds very simila to 'zaurus', and he has to sell his SL-5500 before christmas :(
[02:48]  oh, why is that ?
[02:49]  he wants a new model ??
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[02:50]  because I ordered 3 laptops (well, I chose and this friend payed for them) from eBay and 2 were never sent to us. Now I gotta give this friend back his money :(
[02:51]  mhz: hmm, did you use paypal ?
[02:51]  Yagisan: unless I got a Zaurus 'horizontal' screen model (4 GB in ROM and 1 USB port), I would definately prefer a Toshiba Libretto (less than 10 inches)!
[02:52]  Yagisan: yup! but we never knew that the transaction 'filing complaints' lasted 60 days tops.
[02:52]  and the communication with seller was always good (he giving us reasons why he couldn't senf them yet and crap)
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[02:53]  opps... i rephrase 'cr*p' wit 'cramps'
=== mhz has no idea if cramps is an english word, it just sounded similar
[02:53]  mhz: so the cocksucker delayed you until you could not get a refund. Bastard.
[02:53]  yup
=== Yagisan has an intense hate for ebayers like that
[02:54]  and I also complained to eBay because if you read 'normal' info, they never mention about 60 days.
[02:54]  mhz: your english is great if you understand what I called that seller
[02:55]  Yagisan: plus the fact that ebaye sellers (with laptops I liked) did not want to sell outside US so it took me 3 months to convince them :(
[02:55]  hehehe
[02:55]  thx
[02:55]  ogra: IBM does have a Java 5 for download
[02:55]  oh
[02:55]  but not blackdown
[02:56]  gah
[02:56]  I just checked both
[02:56]  mhz: I'm sorry you where ripped off :(
[02:56]  we only have access to the blackdown sources and cant include binary only packages in ubuntu
[02:56]  ogra: in ubuntu-user ML there was a bit of complaining about devels decisions (4 lines email). Can i paste them?
[02:56]  s/where/were
[02:56]  Yagisan: sheeps happens
[02:56]  sure, but i read -users
[02:57]  ohhh. zaro killed
[02:57]  zero
[02:58]  i wonder why people never help while the specs are worked out and the decisions are made but complain very loud 7 months later
[02:58]  yup!, I 100% agree with you
[02:58]  ogra: I complain very load bout the specs I care about, but I couldn't go to canada
[02:59]  ogra: so, in dapper, I still won't have decent multi-lingual input :(
[02:59]  I wish to think it is a matter of 'not knowing how to get involved'
[02:59]  Yagisan, the specs are on the wiki ... and are worked out there
[02:59]  Yagisan, scim ? 
[02:59]  yep
[02:59]  can you say breezy was a total regression
[02:59]  pasting...
[02:59]  > MTA is important, I vote 'yes'.
[02:59]  > Have you talked to the Devel guys?
[02:59]  Absolutely. Some of us would like to use MUAs that don't suck, like Mutt.
[02:59]  Plus, mailx is used to send email from scripts all of the time. These
[02:59]  people dumbing-down Linux and making it less useful are making me want
[02:59]  to go use FreeBSD.
[03:00]  ogra: at least it is on the agenda
[03:00]  i was asked about it by several germans about it too now and minghua in -motu is upstream in debian for some of them ...
[03:00]  so a scim team would probably help
[03:00]  the prob is that we dont have enough devs for it ...
[03:00]  ogra: yep, I've met minghua in -motu
[03:01]  i personally don use scim 
[03:01]  but i see the need
[03:01]  especially if we want to gain more on the asian market
[03:01]  ogra: well, in my case, uim the alternative, only works in gnome apps, and breaks more the half of universe
[03:02]  but its all gpl, right ?
[03:02]  ogra: If you even want to communicate with asia, it needs to be fixed
[03:02]  BTW, ogra, I just want to 'log' here that after jdub got back (that he said in -devel) I still get no mail regarding 'edubuntu-devel-es' ML :(
[03:02]  yep, all gpl
[03:02]  and I am afraid he gest pissed off if I insist, once more.
=== Yagisan really needs to sit down and learn C and C++
[03:02]  mhz, nope, he wont 
[03:02]  just poke him
[03:02]  okis
[03:03]  so, based on your answers... no good devel would get pissed off?
[03:03]  mhz, the mail stuff is one apt-get from the CD away... i dont see the issue there ...
[03:03]  yup
[03:04]  especially not jdub...
[03:04]  ogra: sure, I know, that's why i only asked if that person had talked to devel guys.
[03:04]  Yagisan, btw, are you a slug member ? 
[03:04]  Yagisan: are you going to NewZeland in January ?
=== Yagisan thinks the best way to get scim working is to get all the devs, and asian partner (humorous joke, for the humor impaired)
[03:05]  slug ?? no
[03:05]  oh, why ? 
[03:05]  mhz: I can't afford to go to kiwi land
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[03:06]  Yagisan, i hope one of the confs in the near future will be in asia
[03:06]  ogra: because first I need to google for it
[03:06]  haha
[03:06]  youre in sydney, arent you ? 
[03:06]  yep
[03:06]  so slug is for you then ;) 
[03:07]  well, technically it's western sydney
[03:07]  mhz could send his poking through you to jdub ;)
[03:07]  with a *real* finger involved
[03:07]  oh, there is a linux users group here
[03:07]  ogra: :D
[03:07]  yes, the:
[03:08]  syfney
[03:08]  I should go
[03:08]  Linux
[03:08]  User
[03:08]  now where is it ?
[03:08]  Group
[03:08]  aka, slug ;)
[03:08]  ogra: slug is a pest related to a snail
[03:08]  :)
[03:08]  loool
[03:08]  lol
[03:08]  Hiya...
[03:08]  M$ = snail
[03:08]  i had never seen it like that!
[03:08]  :D
[03:09]  hey kjcole Mr. EduDoc!
[03:09]  basically slugs are snails without shells
[03:09]  interesting
[03:09]  mhz, Sitting here waiting for Elkner to arrive.  (But I'm early.  We're scheduled for 10 this morning.)
[03:10]  but I prefer NAT Geo or Discovery :)
[03:11]  ogra, you had mentioned giving me clues as to what to do about "bzr push"  (Though I want it to work on my server, I think the ideal solution for the Cookbook would be to have Launchpad keep it safe and warm.)
[03:11]  kjcole: please send my huge thanks to Elkner as well, because you 2 meeting on a sunday at 10 AM.. is very heroic!
[03:11]  and you are meeting to work not just to play cards
[03:11]  or role playing
[03:11]  kjcole, i dont think the launchpad supermirror is ready yet, you'll have to resort to your server for now
[03:12]  ogra: I'm a monkey, where is slug located ?
=== mhz still loving BZR
[03:12]  mhz, 10 isn't heroic -- last week's 8:30 on a Sunday *THAT* was heroic. ;-)
[03:12]  wow! yup!!
[03:12]  kjcole, the fastes way to have push working would be to run a ssh server on your server and use sftp pushing
[03:12]  but sftp is bretty slow for push, so probably an rsync server would be cooler
[03:13]  rsync is nice, very cool
[03:13]  ogra, ssh server is running, but I've got to go back and figure out what I did to restrict access.  (I had it running ssh server under Fedora, but had access to the machine very strictly controlled.)
[03:14]  just make sftp possible to the dir you have your branch in ...
[03:14]  kjcole: maybe Yagisan 'gifted non-sleepy-sec-expert' may help
[03:15]  As for rsync, when I push, I think the error message is that it doesn't understand rsync.  But I haven't banged around on that much.
[03:16]  that sounds like a server prob
[03:17]  Is the server aggressively firewalled ?
[03:17]  ogra, yeah, my thought as well.
[03:17]  I've occasionally forgotten to open a port for ssh
=== Yagisan will brb. time to do fathers duties :( I can smell it from here
[03:18]  No slug, no snail! I want to use kturtle. Who use this junior instrument?
[03:18]  Yagisan, it was, under Fedora, but it isn't now (unless I've messed up when copying files from the old system to the new.)
[03:19]  Yagisan, we're also behind the campus-wide firewall, but that doesn't block ssh -- unless they've changed something again without telling the community.  (Wouldn't be the first time.)
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[03:20]  Anyway, the sense I'm getting here is that the setup isn't anything unusual to get it working.  So, let me poke around and see what I learn.
[03:21]  you can also use "scp -r . server:/path ", but that will copy the whole tree everytime ...
[03:27]  re
[03:27]  okis
[03:27]  Bye to you all!
[03:27]  see you tomorrow
[03:28]  have nice sunday rest of day
[03:28]  bye mhz, tel me how milk battle was!
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[03:28]  Yagisan, http://www.slug.org.au/ btw ...
[03:28]  ogra, that's what I've been doing.  But I want others to be able to push without opening my little office server to the world.  (I had an unfortunate incident many years ago when I opened up the machine to someone off campus that I thought I could trust.  That mistake ended up with the FBI hauling off my computer.)
[03:28]  thanks ogra:
[03:29]  oh, i wouldnt do that 
[03:29]  ogra, so, it's made me a bit shy of such things.
[03:29]  i'd just maintain a local branch and merge the changes locally, to push it later
[03:29]  kjcole: ouch
[03:29]  has the advantage of someone having the control over the tree ...
[03:30]  at least for development i find it  veryimportant that one guy is the master and reviews the changes that go in
[03:30]  not sure about doc work though
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[03:32]  OK.  Well, I'm gonna run off now.  Later all.
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[03:35]  ogra: slugs website doesn't make it obvious where the meetings are :(
[03:35]  poke jdub 
[03:35]  he'll tell you
=== Yagisan makes a note to find a pointy stick, and poke jdub until he squeals where the meetings are, and gives me the secret decoder ring of entry ;)
[03:38]  hehe
=== Yagisan wishes he had a way to utilise his ltsp nodes to help encode his dvds
[04:05]  doesnt dvdrip have such an option ? 
[04:07]  ogra: I've just found that via google, so I'm reading the docs now
[04:11]  ogra: it seems dvdrip wants to ssh to the clients, that may be problematic
[04:11]  just set up a aahd ...
[04:11]  sshd
=== Yagisan twiddles thumbs while waiting for dvdrip and dependencies to download
[04:30]  oh happy happy joy joy dvdrip can't find it's dependencies :(
[04:32]  most likely it needs transcode and friends ...
[04:32]  but they downloaded too
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[04:34]  hi all
[04:34]  G'day feria
[04:35]  I ve been reading bout edubuntu and is great.... 
[04:39]  #edubuntu-es is alone, are there a contact for the spanish version?  I Can contribute with translations...
[04:40]  doh! MauricioHernandez en [MAILTO]  mhz@tecnocimiento.cl si hablas castellano.
[04:40]  sorry
[04:40]  feria, edubuntu is developed inside of ubuntu ... so rosetta is the place for translations
[04:40]  http://www.launchpad.net/
[04:42]  is a great idea, the kids are the future :)
[04:43]  there are no live cd version yet?
[04:47]  see http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2005-December/000927.html
[04:49]  thanks ogra :)
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[05:11]  orga: have you seen (or heard) from mauricio (mhz) recently?
[05:12]  he was here this morning ...
[05:12]  until late afternoon
[05:12]  but said goodbye for the rest of the day 
[05:12]  in his time zone, it isn't even noon yet ;-)
[05:13]  he came in 13:30 UTC and left 16:30 UTC it seems ...
[05:14]  ok, i'll catch him wednesday morning
[05:14]  we had a great time yesterday at tennants and workers united
[05:14]  nice 
[05:14]  6 new ubuntunteros
[05:15]  all spanish sqeaking women
[05:15]  we went on the ubuntu-es channel
[05:15]  and met mhz  ?
[05:15]  no, he wasn't there
[05:15]  that's what i want to ask him
[05:15]  (there is edubuntu-es as well btw (see topic))
[05:15]  if he could join us next time
[05:16]  oh
[05:16]  he runs it
[05:16]  that would be even better
[05:16]  we should meet there
[05:16]  they are all newbies
[05:16]  thats fine ;)
[05:16]  so we need some folks who wouldn't mind talking to newbies
[05:16]  cool
[05:16]  ok, on another topic
[05:17]  kevin and i are here to work on the book
[05:17]  i dont mind talking to newbies, but somehow my spanish is nonexistent ;)
[05:17]  yep
[05:17]  i'll hit you up when we have german newbies
[05:17]  which i will have soon
[05:17]  send them to #edubuntu-de :)
[05:17]  (actually german student newbies)
[05:17]  cool!
[05:18]  they are both new to ubuntu and new to german
[05:18]  hehe
[05:18]  ok, bzr...
[05:18]  i could teach them both i guess
[05:18]  cool
[05:18]  i'm thinking of getting a virtual server to host the book
[05:19]  oh, a complete server ?
[05:19]  yeah
[05:19]  isnt that a bit much for one branch ? 
[05:19]  it would cost 7.99 per month
[05:19]  i could set it up until launchpad is ready
[05:19]  i think launchpad will be ready during this dev cycle, its just not ready *nw*
[05:19]  (so only a few months)
[05:19]  *now
[05:19]  probably even weeks
[05:20]  we can cancell the virtual machine any time we want
[05:20]  i saw the supermirror runnung locally at ubz
[05:20]  so we'll only be out a few buck
[05:20]  bucks
[05:20]  anyway, can we check back with you if we have trouble getting bzr to work
[05:21]  sure 
=== jelkner goes off to setup bzr server...
[05:21]  for the normal usage thats fine, if it comes to bugs or deeper internals, #bzr is the better bet
[05:21]  understood
[05:21]  hi ogra!
[05:22]  what i said to kjcole already, 
[05:22]  you should maintian the branch rather locally
[05:22]  to have some control about the commits
[05:22]  and only have one person who is the central master and megres the different branches
[05:23]  hey highvoltage :)
[05:23]  at least thats what i do with code, to examine the changes first
[05:24]  ogra, I know I've asked you before (probably more than once), but where do I get the teacher control panel, formally known as teachertool from again?
[05:24]  highvoltage, either as package in dapper or from my bzr branch
[05:24]  s/formally/previously
[05:24]  http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/
[05:24]  i worked out the vnc implementation spec last week...
[05:25]  i'll code it the next time i have some spare time that i can spend on it
[05:26]  cool, downloading now via APT
[05:26]  so the only missing bit is to work out a sane approach for remote execution of commands, which is the most tricky bit to make securely
[05:26]  my ISP went down about two weeks ago too, so now the only internet access i have is through GPRS :(
[05:26]  all other stuff is cosmetical ..
[05:26]  gah
[05:26]  thats bad
[05:27]  sounds almost impossible from a security point of view.
[05:27]  btw, did you see the release announcment ? 
[05:27]  no, I didn't.
[05:27]  i thought that for vnc as well, but i think i found a half way secure implementation now
[05:27]  which release announcement?
[05:28]  http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2005-December/000927.html
[05:28]  probably also intresting for jelkner ^^^
[05:28]  but it went to edubuntu-devel anyway
[05:29]  oh yes, and to make things worse, my TSF e-mail account is IMAP only, and my @ubuntu address forwards there, IMAP over GPRS isn't far from ideal. i'm going to get a launchpad admin to redirect it to a pop address for me, then i'll be able to stay up to date with email again.
[05:29]  hmm you need a launchpad admin for this ? 
[05:29]  doesnt it work through the UI ?
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[05:30]  nope :(
[05:30]  it just uses the e-mail address you registered with, you can't choose it yourself.
[05:30]  bah
[05:30]  #launchpad willhelp
[05:34]  yep, i've asked there and they said i should hold on for an admin.
=== highvoltage ssh's to work and starts download of flight2
[05:34]  yay
[05:34]  at least i don't need bandwidth to test edubuntu. i'll go to work tomorrow and fetch the iso
[05:43]  good evening!
[05:43]  jelkner: ping
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[05:48]  good evening lucasvo 
[05:49]  what can one do with a iBook G4 ?
[05:50]  lucasvo, sell it to me for a cheap price for example :)
[05:50]  or test edubuntu powerpc ;)
[05:51]  ogra: I don't know, I bought it for 50.- but it had a broken display backlight, I combined it with mine, which had a broken logicboard
[05:51]  ogra: I will try install it
[05:51]  great... see the "known" problems section in the release announcement
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[05:52]  ogra: just read it/
[05:55]  bbl...
[05:57]  ogra: if I download your bzr archive, can I change it and make a patch, which you may or may not apply?
[05:57]  make your change, commit it and upload the whole tree somewhere ... then i can merge it
[05:58]  lucasvo@lama:~$ bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/
[05:58]  bzr: ERROR: URLError instance has no attribute 'code'
[05:59]  hmm, funny
[05:59]  orks fine here
[06:00]  *works
[06:00]  i'm just pullin it
[06:02]  ask in #bzr what this could be 
[06:02]    command: '/usr/bin/bzr' 'get' 'http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/'
[06:02]        pwd: u'/home/lucasvo'
[06:02]      error: exceptions.AttributeError
[06:02]    at /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib/transport/http.py line 146, in get()
[06:02]  but here it works flawless
[06:02]    see ~/.bzr.log for debug information
[06:02]  lucasvo@lama:~$
[06:02]  no idea, sorry, i'm only bzr user
[06:03]  trying it here works fine as i said 
[06:03]  its just getting revision 138
[06:04]  lol
[06:04]  it works now
[06:04]  what was the prob ? 
[06:04]  fetch revision
[06:04]  k.a.
[06:05]  it may be a crappy internet connection
[06:05]  (wifi)
[06:05]  hmm
[06:05]  ah
[06:05]  here too
[06:05]  hm, no
[06:05]  it didn't work
[06:05]  ogra@honk:~/testldm $ bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/
[06:05]  Branched 219 revision(s).
[06:05]  ogra@honk:~/testldm $
[06:05]  worked fine
[06:05]  when I pull an archive there comes an error: http://pastebin.com/469076
[06:06]  as i said, no idea about the bzr internals.... ask in #bzr it works fine here
[06:06]  do you have a proxy ? 
[06:06]  I actually wanted to post it in #bzr :D
[06:06]  no I don't
[06:07]  can you browser the url ? 
[06:07]  -r
[06:07]  yes
[06:08]  strange
[06:08]  probably the log shows more info ...
[06:23]  Err http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
[06:23]    Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[06:23]  Failed to fetch http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/universe/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
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[06:30]  Anyone available to give a first time installer a hand with some problems?
[06:30]  fitzwillie, you read the install notes page from the opic ? 
[06:30]  *topic
[06:31]  ogra: I've read everything I can get my hands on, espeically serching for the particular errors I'm getting, and no luck
[06:31]  so whats your prob ? 
[06:33]  After starting the install, I am repeatedly getting some variation on "Invalid Compressed Format (err=2)" or "CRC Error" - I have done a checksum on my download, and re-burnt my disk at 2x to make sure it's not one of those causing it
[06:33]  and I've tried every mix of the switches suggested in the help menus
[06:33]  there is also a media check on the CD ... it runs qite long, but checks every sector on the burned disk
[06:34]  Can I run that from the boot prompt?
[06:34]  either use expert install or go "back" at every point of the installation 
[06:34]  it will drop you into a menu
[06:34]  near the bottom there is "media integrity check"
[06:35]  I don't even get to that menu (okay, I did once, and can't repeat how I did it).  it hands up on "Uncompressing Linux" at the very start
[06:35]  probably your CD rom doesnt like the media ... i have an apple around that only boots from certain media
[06:36]  heh, that would be just my luck.  Though I've tried two different types of CD media.
[06:36]  i found exactly on out of five types i have that boots on it ...
[06:37]  *one
[06:37]  ack.  almost makes this not worth it.  I don't think I have the patience to try and find out which type of CD will work :(
[06:39]  ahh well, thanks anyway.  I'll go try something else.
[06:40]  what kind of HW is that ? 
[06:41]  P3, 266mhz, 3gb HD, 160mb ram
[06:42]  sounds fine ...
[06:42]  and the CDRom ?
[06:42]  haven't sorted that out specifically - looked around the bios but couldn't determine the specific
[06:43]  scsi or ide ? or any weird kind of soundblaster driven kind ? 
[06:43]  ide
[06:43]  ah, k
[06:45]  ogra: thanks, gotta run for now... may try this again over the xmas break :)
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[07:30]  ogra: this document is invalid, as it is written in the command above: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/client/themes/default/color
[07:31]  ogra: you forgot to define : background = "#ffffde"
[07:31]  works fine here 
[07:31]  ogra: I mean in the comment :D
[07:32]  ogra: you didn't mention the background attribute
[07:32]  # Values known by ldm:
[07:32]  oh, yes, it was a last minute commit :)
[07:32]  #ronja Theme: Edubuntu < in the edubuntu theme :D
[07:33]  em I mean NOT in the edubuntu theme, instead in ubuntu theme
[07:33]  ah, yeah
[07:33]  ogra: u still need https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFlight2Announcement looked at by a native tongue?
[07:33]  http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/ldm/client/themes/Ubuntu/colors
[07:33]  MrMazda, nope, its out now ...
[07:33]  i had some people at #ubuntu-devel looking at it
[07:34]  http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2005-December/000927.html
[07:34]  :)
[07:35]  ah, Jonathan ridell changed quite a lot :D
[07:35]  yup
[07:36]  together with Colin Watson ...
[07:36]  who is our walking spellchecker :)
[07:36]  :D
[07:37]  it was an old bzr version :P
[07:37]  that's why bzr didn't work
[07:37]  ogra: what version are you using/
[07:38]  the daily builds
[07:39]  ah, and what is in dapper?
[07:39]  is dapper a daily builds?
[07:39]  i dont think so
[07:39]  not sure whats te default 
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[09:00]  hi kjcole 
[09:01]  Hi,
[09:07]  one should split up #ubuntu into sevaral channels, it is too crowded
[09:08]  it is quite crowded.
[09:08]  one can not talk normally in there
[09:08]  that could also be said for most IRC channels ;)
[09:09]  not really, for e.g. edubuntu
[09:09]  at least there is #ubuntu-kernel & #ubuntu-devel
[09:10]  maybe #ubuntu-network
[09:10]  would be good, to talk about wifi and other network issues
[09:10]  or #ubuntu-hardware to talk about h/w support
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[09:41]  anybody around?
[09:46]  me here
[09:48]  MrMazda: you are a teacher?
[09:48]  MrMazda: do you have kids in school who work with pc?
[09:48]  just have 1 10 year old
[09:49]  I just talked to my brother about it, he is 11
[09:49]  I am trying to find out what they do with PC in school
[09:49]  for e.g. he said they use firefox, they have their own user
[09:50]  mine now at cousin's on Christmas holiday
[09:50]  do they have pc at school?
[09:50]  her class has 1 Mac & 3 PC
[09:52]  plus lots in the lab & libarary
[09:52]  plus lots in the lab & library
[09:55]  and what educational software do they have?
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[10:00]  ogra: my sister just started up in xfce, her reaction was: Cool, was ist das? kann ich das behalten? 
[10:00]  hehe
[10:00]  I did apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[10:00]  and so now default is xfce
[10:01]  I think one should include xfce to edubuntu
[10:01]  or at least make a GUI for changing this setting
[10:02]  but now keyboard layout doesn't work anymore :(
[10:05]  you have a gui for that, its called synaptic
[10:06]  and xubuntu-desktop will be in main in dapper ... and thus on the DVD
[10:06]  the CD has no space left at all
[10:06]  :D
[10:07]  ogra: I mean, how to set default wm
[10:07]  ogra: isn't there something like ltsp-admin?
[10:07]  ope, dont touch it
[10:07]  thats for the old ltsp and breaks ours completely
[10:07]  ogra: but isn't there a gui for ltsp?
[10:07]  nope
[10:08]  hm, ok
[10:08]  in that case one should make one
[10:08]  not yet... and its unlikely the one i started will make dapper
[10:08]  maybe for dapper +1
[10:08]  aha,
[10:08]  so you did start one
[10:09]  look in my bzr archive ...
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[10:10]  buying a new ethernet card for my PC to get it working with edubuntu . . other than avoiding 3Com, any specific suggestions?
[10:11]  cheap realtek works for me
[10:11]  ltsp manager?
[10:12]  http://rom-o-matic.net/5.4.1/etherboot-5.4.1/src/bin/NIC
[10:12]  ^^ list of working cards with etherboot
[10:12]  thanks
[10:13]  no idea
[10:13]  ogra: is it ltsp-manager?
[10:13]  yup
[10:14]  nah, look for PXE based cards and you wont need silly bootfloppies
[10:14]  the rom-o-matic list is exactly the list of cards you dont want if you buy a new one anyway
[10:15]  PXE cards lie around 15 ...
[10:15]  or 10 pound ...
[10:15]  chevy, ^^^
[10:17]  PXE doesn't need any bootrom?
[10:17]  nope
[10:17]  ogra . . how's it going
[10:17]  yep still looking!
[10:18]  chevy, all fine, thanks :)
[10:18]  10 is a lot for an ethernet card!
[10:18]  what the normal price in the uk ? 
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[10:19]  you might get them cheaper 
[10:20]  about 4
[10:20]  ogra: do you know why keyboard is not working in xfce
[10:20]  markets flooded with 10/100s
[10:20]  chevy: but not the ones with pxe
[10:24]  lucasvo, no idea ... janimo is in -devel, he's the xfce maintainer ... and crimsun is somethimes here .. he'S the other one
[10:27]  thanks ogra lucasvo
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[11:09]  ogra: ping
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