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| xulMunkee | hi. can anyone help me with xmltex? it does an emergency stop when i run 'xmlto pdf ...' | 07:41 |
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| xulMunkee | rather, all the XML-FO based formats for xmlto are failing with same error | 07:42 |
| xulMunkee | it happens with dvi, pdf, and ps | 07:42 |
| xulMunkee | hmm. how about: has anyone successfully converted from docbook-xml to PDF using xmlto on ubuntu? | 07:44 |
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| Madpilot | hi bhuvan | 10:22 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot, hello | 10:24 |
| Madpilot | bhuvan: you going to be able to make the Desktop meeting at 1700Z? | 10:26 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot, it would be 22:30 here. so i afraid, i cant | 10:27 |
| Madpilot | too bad - 1700Z is 0900 here | 10:32 |
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| mdke | hey highvoltage | 05:01 |
| highvoltage | hey mdke | 05:01 |
| highvoltage | how are you? | 05:01 |
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| highvoltage | got your message on #launchpad. | 05:03 |
| mdke | highvoltage, I'm fine thanks | 05:03 |
| mdke | did you get that email of mine about wiki licensing? | 05:03 |
| highvoltage | yes, i did. | 05:04 |
| mdke | any thoughts? | 05:04 |
| mdke | we've amended the spec slightly since then I think | 05:04 |
| highvoltage | i read throw it along with a whole bunch of e-mails, and found it confusing and decided to get back to it later, things have been a bit hectic, sorry for not following up, let me just look at it again. | 05:05 |
| mdke | no problem | 05:05 |
| mdke | highvoltage, i was thinking of taking it to the next community council meeting, so anytime between now and then is great :) | 05:06 |
| highvoltage | ah, i see. | 05:06 |
| highvoltage | yes, i wouldn't mind looking at the spec. not that i'm a lawyer ;) | 05:06 |
| mdke | :) | 05:07 |
| mdke | i'd appreciate it, I wanted the view of someone who worked a fair bit on the edubuntu wiki | 05:07 |
| highvoltage | elmo said that Mark wants creative commons sharealike by attribution on ubuntu content. | 05:07 |
| mdke | oh | 05:08 |
| mdke | bugger | 05:08 |
| highvoltage | geez, I don't know if I qualify as someone who did a fair bit on the edubuntu wiki, but thanks. | 05:08 |
| highvoltage | what licence did you choose? | 05:08 |
| mdke | public domain | 05:08 |
| highvoltage | interesting. | 05:08 |
| mdke | attribution on wiki content would be pretty harsh | 05:08 |
| highvoltage | true. | 05:09 |
| mdke | but I mailed elmo, mark, mako and Kamion the spec, and had no response :( | 05:09 |
| mdke | they could have mentioned it | 05:09 |
| highvoltage | can i see the spec too? | 05:09 |
| mdke | it's at WikiLicensing | 05:09 |
| highvoltage | i haven't seen public domained licenced material for any free software project yet. i'm not sure what the reasons are for that though. | 05:20 |
| highvoltage | i'm interested to see what the CC will say about it. | 05:20 |
| highvoltage | when is the CC meeting? | 05:20 |
| mdke | tuesday i think | 05:20 |
| mdke | no time set yet | 05:20 |
| mdke | an attribution license on the wiki would be disastrous | 05:22 |
| mdke | imagine having to credit each and every contributor to a page | 05:22 |
| mdke | highvoltage, elmo said that mark wanted that license on the _wiki_, or on something else? | 05:27 |
| highvoltage | mdke: hold on, I'll find the e-mail and forward it to you | 05:30 |
| mdke | highvoltage, not if it's private tho :) | 05:31 |
| highvoltage | found the e-mail, it was more broad than I remembered, and a bit vague. | 05:32 |
| highvoltage | forwarding to you now.. | 05:32 |
| mdke | highvoltage, thanks, i think that is more something else | 05:44 |
| mdke | but on the other hand, we may have to think about giving the ability to put other licenses on specific pages i suppose | 05:44 |
| highvoltage | i liked what you said about imposing a licence instead. | 05:45 |
| mdke | yeah that's what I'd prefer certainly | 05:45 |
| highvoltage | having too many licenses will be confusing. | 05:45 |
| mdke | certainly for documentation | 05:46 |
| highvoltage | if someone wants another licence, they can keep it on their own page, like you said. | 05:46 |
| mdke | what about development material? | 05:46 |
| mdke | i suppose those aren't really copiable anyway | 05:46 |
| highvoltage | i think development material is always nice under a free license | 05:46 |
| highvoltage | so if someone is in a rush to use it, and they'd like to fix it up, they can. | 05:47 |
| mdke | :) | 05:47 |
| highvoltage | i see you that you understand :) | 05:47 |
| mdke | yeah i totally agree | 05:48 |
| highvoltage | i think that the CC will add some good insight. as far as i can tell, your rational for licensing for the wiki is completely sound. | 05:49 |
| highvoltage | i don't think you'll have much of a problem with the doc-licensing suggestion. | 05:49 |
| mdke | doc-licensing? | 05:50 |
| highvoltage | ignore that :) i meant the wiki licensing proposal | 05:50 |
| mdke | ah cool | 05:51 |
| mdke | thanks dude | 05:51 |
| highvoltage | no problemo | 05:51 |
| highvoltage | how's london? from the weather reports it seems that it's very cold there. | 05:51 |
| mdke | cold, but lovely | 05:52 |
| mdke | it hasn't rained for like a month | 05:52 |
| mdke | better than July | 05:52 |
| highvoltage | woe. | 05:52 |
| highvoltage | wow even. | 05:52 |
| mdke | :) | 05:52 |
| highvoltage | July was funny. it was winter here, and I came to London, the weather was almost exactly the same as here :) | 05:53 |
| mdke | hehe | 05:53 |
| highvoltage | the days were much longer there though. sun setting at 11 at night. in cape town it was dark by 5. | 05:53 |
| mdke | it's dark now here (5pm) | 05:53 |
| highvoltage | bbl. connected through cell phone and have to make call now... | 05:54 |
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| Madpilot | morning - sorry I'm running late | 06:18 |
| mdke | no problem :) | 06:19 |
| mdke | no one else is here | 06:19 |
| Madpilot | ah, never mind | 06:19 |
| mdke | Madpilot, :( Are you around for a bit, maybe we can see if someone comes... | 06:20 |
| Madpilot | yeah, I'm here for a while | 06:21 |
| mdke | cool | 06:22 |
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| mdke_ | burglaptop, obviously canadian television isn't covering the snooker final, huh? | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I'm here but I'm trying to get ready for Christmas vacation | 11:17 |
| burglaptop | mdke_: I am at my GFs and she doesn't have television | 11:19 |
| burglaptop | plus I am recovering from surgery so I am lying in bed a lot | 11:19 |
| mdke_ | ouch, hope it went well | 11:19 |
| burglaptop | I will end up taking more time away from work than I anticipated, due to it being more complex than imagined | 11:20 |
| burglaptop | but it did go well | 11:20 |
| mdke_ | good | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | recovering from surgery and no tv. I would go insane! Unless I had some DSL and could chat here and do some Ubuntu work ;-) | 11:21 |
| burglaptop | I borrow wireless from the neighbours here | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | oh, well that's good, I guess | 11:24 |
| burglaptop | it is nice and fast and competely free, thanks to our friends at linksys | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | While I am gone for 2 weeks over Christmas I will be lucky to get dialup. My parents line is like 24.4KB | 11:25 |
| burglaptop | ouch | 11:25 |
| burglaptop | I intend to spend a maximumof 12 hours on christmas this year | 11:25 |
| mdke_ | don't go! | 11:25 |
| burglaptop | that includes transportation to and from my step mothers mothers place | 11:26 |
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| LaserJock | I get to spend 1 week with the inlaws and 1 week with my parents. My wife and I get to drive 1000 mi. through snow to get there. | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | but I'm so excited ;-) | 11:28 |
| burglaptop | oh, and that also includes shopping for said holiday | 11:28 |
| mdke | argh inlaws | 11:29 |
| === mdke finds a cool wiki diff: | ||
| mdke | Hugelmopf: Reorganizing and extending the dialup/modem pages. | 11:29 |
| mdke | wicked | 11:29 |
| burglaptop | nice, that needed to be done a very long time ago | 11:29 |
| mdke | yep | 11:30 |
| burglaptop | I wish we had a good way to contact people through the bloody wiki | 11:30 |
| burglaptop | mdke: well, hey, he contacted us | 11:33 |
| KingBahamut | They havent made a PMer for wiki's yet burg.....that i know of | 11:33 |
| mdke | burglaptop, ? | 11:34 |
| burglaptop | KingBahamut: umm, mediawiki allows in wiki communication through talk pages as well as automatic emailling of contributors (without shwoing those addys) | 11:35 |
| KingBahamut | Ill try to bring that up in the current meeting Im having | 11:35 |
| KingBahamut | thanks | 11:35 |
| burglaptop | mdke: he emailed ubuntu-devel on a thread about modem users pain | 11:36 |
| mdke | ah cool | 11:36 |
| mdke | i don't read that list | 11:36 |
| burglaptop | just cc-ed us | 11:36 |
| mdke | thanks | 11:36 |
| mdke | oh rock | 11:37 |
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| burglaptop | salut mhz | 11:40 |
| mhz | salut burglaptop | 11:41 |
| mhz | burglaptop: how many nicks do you have? | 11:41 |
| burglaptop | 3 | 11:41 |
| mhz | oh | 11:41 |
| burglaptop | for where I am | 11:41 |
| mhz | nice | 11:41 |
| burglaptop | Burgundavia is for at home, Burgwork at home and Burglaptop for when I am on my laptop, usually at my GF | 11:42 |
| mdke | hey KingBahamut, you were looking for me yesterday? | 11:42 |
| KingBahamut | if I was capn | 11:42 |
| KingBahamut | I have long since forgotten why | 11:42 |
| KingBahamut | my sorries capn | 11:43 |
| mdke | ah ok | 11:43 |
| mdke | nothing important then :D | 11:43 |
| mhz | burglaptop: GF? | 11:43 |
| mhz | GeekFree? | 11:43 |
| mdke | sort of | 11:44 |
| mdke | girl friend | 11:44 |
| mhz | duh! | 11:44 |
| mhz | hehehe | 11:44 |
| KingBahamut | if it was mdke | 11:44 |
| KingBahamut | Id be spammin yer mail and irc whisper window | 11:44 |
| KingBahamut | trust me | 11:44 |
| mdke | cool | 11:44 |
| mhz | burglaptop: and she lets you use 'your' time on IRC? | 11:44 |
| littlepaul | mdke, did you heard about the ubuntu-motu-school? | 11:45 |
| mdke | vaguely... i read something about it on planet | 11:46 |
| mdke | y? | 11:46 |
| mhz | littlepaul: hi. motu-school, very nice idea | 11:46 |
| mhz | unfortunately, I missed it | 11:46 |
| littlepaul | my thought was to make something similar for ubuntu-doc :) | 11:46 |
| mhz | :( | 11:46 |
| mhz | yup, good idea! | 11:46 |
| mdke | littlepaul, aha. what did you have in mind? | 11:47 |
| LaserJock | yeah, motu-school rocks | 11:47 |
| mhz | I offer myself for a Moin-School | 11:47 |
| LaserJock | the only problem with motu-school that I have seen is lack of people willing to set aside enough time to help people. The MOTU are pretty busy as it is. | 11:48 |
| littlepaul | mdke, I would be happy if you or someone else could make a presentation regarding the whole doc thing ( in a few sesions) - I'm sure it would help | 11:48 |
| littlepaul | LaserJock, sure :( | 11:49 |
| mdke | littlepaul, would this be video, irc, wiki page, what? | 11:49 |
| LaserJock | motu-school is on irc | 11:49 |
| littlepaul | mdke, similar to motu first irc and then in wiki | 11:49 |
| littlepaul | the summary goes to wiki | 11:49 |
| mdke | i'd be glad to help if I can | 11:49 |
| LaserJock | but it will be transferred to wiki and eventually the Ubuntu Packaging Guide if everything goes well | 11:49 |
| littlepaul | right | 11:50 |
| mdke | there is already loads of material on the wiki we can use | 11:50 |
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| littlepaul | mdke I am aware about this material but I think something practically would make it more interesting :) | 11:50 |
| mdke | littlepaul, sure, i agree. How shall we go about trying to get people involved and planning stuff? | 11:51 |
| littlepaul | mdke, the problem ist that many users to not join this forum - maby via ubuntu ml? | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | maybe just email the list and offer up a time and place for people to come and see mhz dazzle us with Moin? | 11:53 |
| littlepaul | mdke, sounder? | 11:53 |
| mdke | sure, and the forums too | 11:54 |
| mdke | but the problem is that people are always in different timezones and it will be tricky to get enough people | 11:54 |
| littlepaul | 12:00 UTC Saturday or Sunday? | 11:55 |
| mdke | preferably not next week | 11:55 |
| mdke | :) | 11:55 |
| littlepaul | :) | 11:55 |
| mdke | i can post it to planet too (*nudges jdub*) or we can get jerome/corey to post there | 11:55 |
| littlepaul | mdke first I can make a announce on the ml to check the interest and then as a second step planet | 11:56 |
| mdke | sure good idea | 11:56 |
| littlepaul | I mean you should make this announce :) | 11:57 |
| littlepaul | mdke, do you know the motu report and den ubuntu desktop news? | 11:57 |
| mdke | i saw the desktop news post | 11:58 |
| mdke | you think we should do one of those too? | 11:58 |
| littlepaul | could the ubuntu-doc team offer a monthly or periodical report? | 11:58 |
| mdke | yeah we could | 11:58 |
| mdke | another good idea | 11:58 |
| littlepaul | :) | 11:59 |
| mdke | i post to sounder every so often, but we could do something a bit more formal if you like | 11:59 |
| littlepaul | this could be a chance to involve people | 11:59 |
| mdke | yeah, we really need to :) | 11:59 |
| littlepaul | mdke, such formal reports are like "milestones" | 12:00 |
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| littlepaul | the interest is bigger because people are waiting for such news | 12:00 |
| littlepaul | mdke, we can talk further about this in 2 weeks if you wish | 12:01 |
| mdke | i'm happy to talk further about it whenever you like | 12:01 |
| mdke | how do you want to proceed now? | 12:02 |
| mdke | you want to mail some lists, or shall I? | 12:03 |
| littlepaul | I hope that you get enough time to collect some ideas in the next weeks and maby it would be possible for you to create a formal thing | 12:03 |
| mdke | on the school idea or the newsletter idea? | 12:03 |
| mdke | the newsletter should be relatively easy | 12:03 |
| littlepaul | ok | 12:04 |
| littlepaul | so pls bring it on the ml and announce this school idea | 12:04 |
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