=== mpt_ [n=mpt@201-27-7-12.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-137-99.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@adsl-210-97-121.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rwabel [n=rwabel@gw.ptr-80-238-131-57.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.94.92] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-249-173.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.94.33] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-68-238-172-110.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xulMunkee [n=xulMunke@c-67-170-234-136.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:41] hi. can anyone help me with xmltex? it does an emergency stop when i run 'xmlto pdf ...' [07:42] rather, all the XML-FO based formats for xmlto are failing with same error [07:42] it happens with dvi, pdf, and ps [07:44] hmm. how about: has anyone successfully converted from docbook-xml to PDF using xmlto on ubuntu? === poningru_ [n=poningru@pool-70-110-71-95.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-137-99.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan was unable to attend docteam meeting. isp have ruined the plan [10:22] hi bhuvan [10:24] Madpilot, hello [10:26] bhuvan: you going to be able to make the Desktop meeting at 1700Z? [10:27] Madpilot, it would be 22:30 here. so i afraid, i cant [10:32] too bad - 1700Z is 0900 here === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-189-218.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-75-221.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:01] hey highvoltage [05:01] hey mdke [05:01] how are you? === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-189-218.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:03] got your message on #launchpad. [05:03] highvoltage, I'm fine thanks [05:03] did you get that email of mine about wiki licensing? [05:04] yes, i did. [05:04] any thoughts? [05:04] we've amended the spec slightly since then I think [05:05] i read throw it along with a whole bunch of e-mails, and found it confusing and decided to get back to it later, things have been a bit hectic, sorry for not following up, let me just look at it again. [05:05] no problem [05:06] highvoltage, i was thinking of taking it to the next community council meeting, so anytime between now and then is great :) [05:06] ah, i see. [05:06] yes, i wouldn't mind looking at the spec. not that i'm a lawyer ;) [05:07] :) [05:07] i'd appreciate it, I wanted the view of someone who worked a fair bit on the edubuntu wiki [05:07] elmo said that Mark wants creative commons sharealike by attribution on ubuntu content. [05:08] oh [05:08] bugger [05:08] geez, I don't know if I qualify as someone who did a fair bit on the edubuntu wiki, but thanks. [05:08] what licence did you choose? [05:08] public domain [05:08] interesting. [05:08] attribution on wiki content would be pretty harsh [05:09] true. [05:09] but I mailed elmo, mark, mako and Kamion the spec, and had no response :( [05:09] they could have mentioned it [05:09] can i see the spec too? [05:09] it's at WikiLicensing [05:20] i haven't seen public domained licenced material for any free software project yet. i'm not sure what the reasons are for that though. [05:20] i'm interested to see what the CC will say about it. [05:20] when is the CC meeting? [05:20] tuesday i think [05:20] no time set yet [05:22] an attribution license on the wiki would be disastrous [05:22] imagine having to credit each and every contributor to a page [05:27] highvoltage, elmo said that mark wanted that license on the _wiki_, or on something else? [05:30] mdke: hold on, I'll find the e-mail and forward it to you [05:31] highvoltage, not if it's private tho :) [05:32] found the e-mail, it was more broad than I remembered, and a bit vague. [05:32] forwarding to you now.. [05:44] highvoltage, thanks, i think that is more something else [05:44] but on the other hand, we may have to think about giving the ability to put other licenses on specific pages i suppose [05:45] i liked what you said about imposing a licence instead. [05:45] yeah that's what I'd prefer certainly [05:45] having too many licenses will be confusing. [05:46] certainly for documentation [05:46] if someone wants another licence, they can keep it on their own page, like you said. [05:46] what about development material? [05:46] i suppose those aren't really copiable anyway [05:46] i think development material is always nice under a free license [05:47] so if someone is in a rush to use it, and they'd like to fix it up, they can. [05:47] :) [05:47] i see you that you understand :) [05:48] yeah i totally agree [05:49] i think that the CC will add some good insight. as far as i can tell, your rational for licensing for the wiki is completely sound. [05:49] i don't think you'll have much of a problem with the doc-licensing suggestion. [05:50] doc-licensing? [05:50] ignore that :) i meant the wiki licensing proposal [05:51] ah cool [05:51] thanks dude [05:51] no problemo [05:51] how's london? from the weather reports it seems that it's very cold there. [05:52] cold, but lovely [05:52] it hasn't rained for like a month [05:52] better than July [05:52] woe. [05:52] wow even. [05:52] :) [05:53] July was funny. it was winter here, and I came to London, the weather was almost exactly the same as here :) [05:53] hehe [05:53] the days were much longer there though. sun setting at 11 at night. in cape town it was dark by 5. [05:53] it's dark now here (5pm) [05:54] bbl. connected through cell phone and have to make call now... === mdke pokes Madpilot [06:18] morning - sorry I'm running late [06:19] no problem :) [06:19] no one else is here [06:19] ah, never mind [06:20] Madpilot, :( Are you around for a bit, maybe we can see if someone comes... [06:21] yeah, I'm here for a while [06:22] cool === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-136-146.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === teroedni [n=teroedni@ti411310a080-1162.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-doc === burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217da6aab.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084ECDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cstudent [n=cstudent@67.129.197.188] has joined #ubuntu-doc === burglaptop is bored or sitting around at home === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:16] burglaptop, obviously canadian television isn't covering the snooker final, huh? [11:17] hmm, I'm here but I'm trying to get ready for Christmas vacation [11:19] mdke_: I am at my GFs and she doesn't have television [11:19] plus I am recovering from surgery so I am lying in bed a lot [11:19] ouch, hope it went well [11:20] I will end up taking more time away from work than I anticipated, due to it being more complex than imagined [11:20] but it did go well [11:21] good [11:21] recovering from surgery and no tv. I would go insane! Unless I had some DSL and could chat here and do some Ubuntu work ;-) [11:21] I borrow wireless from the neighbours here [11:24] oh, well that's good, I guess [11:25] it is nice and fast and competely free, thanks to our friends at linksys [11:25] While I am gone for 2 weeks over Christmas I will be lucky to get dialup. My parents line is like 24.4KB [11:25] ouch [11:25] I intend to spend a maximumof 12 hours on christmas this year [11:25] don't go! [11:26] that includes transportation to and from my step mothers mothers place === mdke_ nods approval [11:28] I get to spend 1 week with the inlaws and 1 week with my parents. My wife and I get to drive 1000 mi. through snow to get there. [11:28] but I'm so excited ;-) [11:28] oh, and that also includes shopping for said holiday [11:29] argh inlaws === mdke finds a cool wiki diff: [11:29] Hugelmopf: Reorganizing and extending the dialup/modem pages. [11:29] wicked [11:29] nice, that needed to be done a very long time ago [11:30] yep [11:30] I wish we had a good way to contact people through the bloody wiki [11:33] mdke: well, hey, he contacted us [11:33] They havent made a PMer for wiki's yet burg.....that i know of [11:34] burglaptop, ? [11:35] KingBahamut: umm, mediawiki allows in wiki communication through talk pages as well as automatic emailling of contributors (without shwoing those addys) [11:35] Ill try to bring that up in the current meeting Im having [11:35] thanks [11:36] mdke: he emailed ubuntu-devel on a thread about modem users pain [11:36] ah cool [11:36] i don't read that list [11:36] just cc-ed us [11:36] thanks [11:37] oh rock === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:40] salut mhz [11:41] salut burglaptop [11:41] burglaptop: how many nicks do you have? [11:41] 3 [11:41] oh [11:41] for where I am [11:41] nice [11:42] Burgundavia is for at home, Burgwork at home and Burglaptop for when I am on my laptop, usually at my GF [11:42] hey KingBahamut, you were looking for me yesterday? [11:42] if I was capn [11:42] I have long since forgotten why [11:43] my sorries capn [11:43] ah ok [11:43] nothing important then :D [11:43] burglaptop: GF? [11:43] GeekFree? [11:44] sort of [11:44] girl friend [11:44] duh! [11:44] hehehe [11:44] if it was mdke [11:44] Id be spammin yer mail and irc whisper window [11:44] trust me [11:44] cool [11:44] burglaptop: and she lets you use 'your' time on IRC? [11:45] mdke, did you heard about the ubuntu-motu-school? [11:46] vaguely... i read something about it on planet [11:46] y? [11:46] littlepaul: hi. motu-school, very nice idea [11:46] unfortunately, I missed it [11:46] my thought was to make something similar for ubuntu-doc :) [11:46] :( [11:46] yup, good idea! [11:47] littlepaul, aha. what did you have in mind? [11:47] yeah, motu-school rocks [11:47] I offer myself for a Moin-School [11:48] the only problem with motu-school that I have seen is lack of people willing to set aside enough time to help people. The MOTU are pretty busy as it is. [11:48] mdke, I would be happy if you or someone else could make a presentation regarding the whole doc thing ( in a few sesions) - I'm sure it would help [11:49] LaserJock, sure :( [11:49] littlepaul, would this be video, irc, wiki page, what? [11:49] motu-school is on irc [11:49] mdke, similar to motu first irc and then in wiki [11:49] the summary goes to wiki [11:49] i'd be glad to help if I can [11:49] but it will be transferred to wiki and eventually the Ubuntu Packaging Guide if everything goes well [11:50] right [11:50] there is already loads of material on the wiki we can use === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217da6aab.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:50] mdke I am aware about this material but I think something practically would make it more interesting :) [11:51] littlepaul, sure, i agree. How shall we go about trying to get people involved and planning stuff? [11:53] mdke, the problem ist that many users to not join this forum - maby via ubuntu ml? [11:53] maybe just email the list and offer up a time and place for people to come and see mhz dazzle us with Moin? [11:53] mdke, sounder? [11:54] sure, and the forums too [11:54] but the problem is that people are always in different timezones and it will be tricky to get enough people [11:55] 12:00 UTC Saturday or Sunday? [11:55] preferably not next week [11:55] :) [11:55] :) [11:55] i can post it to planet too (*nudges jdub*) or we can get jerome/corey to post there [11:56] mdke first I can make a announce on the ml to check the interest and then as a second step planet [11:56] sure good idea [11:57] I mean you should make this announce :) [11:57] mdke, do you know the motu report and den ubuntu desktop news? [11:58] i saw the desktop news post [11:58] you think we should do one of those too? [11:58] could the ubuntu-doc team offer a monthly or periodical report? [11:58] yeah we could [11:58] another good idea [11:59] :) [11:59] i post to sounder every so often, but we could do something a bit more formal if you like [11:59] this could be a chance to involve people [11:59] yeah, we really need to :) [12:00] mdke, such formal reports are like "milestones" === mdke nods [12:00] the interest is bigger because people are waiting for such news [12:01] mdke, we can talk further about this in 2 weeks if you wish [12:01] i'm happy to talk further about it whenever you like [12:02] how do you want to proceed now? [12:03] you want to mail some lists, or shall I? [12:03] I hope that you get enough time to collect some ideas in the next weeks and maby it would be possible for you to create a formal thing [12:03] on the school idea or the newsletter idea? [12:03] the newsletter should be relatively easy [12:04] ok [12:04] so pls bring it on the ml and announce this school idea