[07:41] <xulMunkee> hi. can anyone help me with xmltex? it does an emergency stop when i run 'xmlto pdf ...'
[07:42] <xulMunkee> rather, all the XML-FO based formats for xmlto are failing with same error
[07:42] <xulMunkee> it happens with dvi, pdf, and ps
[07:44] <xulMunkee> hmm. how about: has anyone successfully converted from docbook-xml to PDF using xmlto on ubuntu?
[10:22] <Madpilot> hi bhuvan
[10:24] <bhuvan> Madpilot, hello
[10:26] <Madpilot> bhuvan: you going to be able to make the Desktop meeting at 1700Z?
[10:27] <bhuvan> Madpilot, it would be 22:30 here. so i afraid, i cant
[10:32] <Madpilot> too bad - 1700Z is 0900 here
[05:01] <mdke> hey highvoltage 
[05:01] <highvoltage> hey mdke 
[05:01] <highvoltage> how are you?
[05:03] <highvoltage> got your message on #launchpad.
[05:03] <mdke> highvoltage, I'm fine thanks
[05:03] <mdke> did you get that email of mine about wiki licensing?
[05:04] <highvoltage> yes, i did.
[05:04] <mdke> any thoughts?
[05:04] <mdke> we've amended the spec slightly since then I think
[05:05] <highvoltage> i read throw it along with a whole bunch of e-mails, and found it confusing and decided to get back to it later, things have been a bit hectic, sorry for not following up, let me just look at it again.
[05:05] <mdke> no problem
[05:06] <mdke> highvoltage, i was thinking of taking it to the next community council meeting, so anytime between now and then is great :)
[05:06] <highvoltage> ah, i see.
[05:06] <highvoltage> yes, i wouldn't mind looking at the spec. not that i'm a lawyer ;)
[05:07] <mdke> :)
[05:07] <mdke> i'd appreciate it, I wanted the view of someone who worked a fair bit on the edubuntu wiki
[05:07] <highvoltage> elmo said that Mark wants creative commons sharealike by attribution on ubuntu content.
[05:08] <mdke> oh
[05:08] <mdke> bugger
[05:08] <highvoltage> geez, I don't know if I qualify as someone who did a fair bit on the edubuntu wiki, but thanks.
[05:08] <highvoltage> what licence did you choose?
[05:08] <mdke> public domain
[05:08] <highvoltage> interesting.
[05:08] <mdke> attribution on wiki content would be pretty harsh
[05:09] <highvoltage> true.
[05:09] <mdke> but I mailed elmo, mark, mako and Kamion the spec, and had no response :(
[05:09] <mdke> they could have mentioned it
[05:09] <highvoltage> can i see the spec too?
[05:09] <mdke> it's at WikiLicensing
[05:20] <highvoltage> i haven't seen public domained licenced material for any free software project yet. i'm not sure what the reasons are for that though.
[05:20] <highvoltage> i'm interested to see what the CC will say about it.
[05:20] <highvoltage> when is the CC meeting?
[05:20] <mdke> tuesday i think
[05:20] <mdke> no time set yet
[05:22] <mdke> an attribution license on the wiki would be disastrous
[05:22] <mdke> imagine having to credit each and every contributor to a page
[05:27] <mdke> highvoltage, elmo said that mark wanted that license on the _wiki_, or on something else?
[05:30] <highvoltage> mdke: hold on, I'll find the e-mail and forward it to you
[05:31] <mdke> highvoltage, not if it's private tho :)
[05:32] <highvoltage> found the e-mail, it was more broad than I remembered, and a bit vague.
[05:32] <highvoltage> forwarding to you now..
[05:44] <mdke> highvoltage, thanks, i think that is more something else
[05:44] <mdke> but on the other hand, we may have to think about giving the ability to put other licenses on specific pages i suppose
[05:45] <highvoltage> i liked what you said about imposing a licence instead.
[05:45] <mdke> yeah that's what I'd prefer certainly
[05:45] <highvoltage> having too many licenses will be confusing.
[05:46] <mdke> certainly for documentation
[05:46] <highvoltage> if someone wants another licence, they can keep it on their own page, like you said.
[05:46] <mdke> what about development material?
[05:46] <mdke> i suppose those aren't really copiable anyway
[05:46] <highvoltage> i think development material is always nice under a free license
[05:47] <highvoltage> so if someone is in a rush to use it, and they'd like to fix it up, they can.
[05:47] <mdke> :)
[05:47] <highvoltage> i see you that you understand :)
[05:48] <mdke> yeah i totally agree
[05:49] <highvoltage> i think that the CC will add some good insight. as far as i can tell, your rational for licensing for the wiki is completely sound.
[05:49] <highvoltage> i don't think you'll have much of a problem with the doc-licensing suggestion.
[05:50] <mdke> doc-licensing?
[05:50] <highvoltage> ignore that :) i meant the wiki licensing proposal
[05:51] <mdke> ah cool
[05:51] <mdke> thanks dude
[05:51] <highvoltage> no problemo
[05:51] <highvoltage> how's london? from the weather reports it seems that it's very cold there.
[05:52] <mdke> cold, but lovely
[05:52] <mdke> it hasn't rained for like a month
[05:52] <mdke> better than July
[05:52] <highvoltage> woe.
[05:52] <highvoltage> wow even.
[05:52] <mdke> :)
[05:53] <highvoltage> July was funny. it was winter here, and I came to London, the weather was almost exactly the same as here :)
[05:53] <mdke> hehe
[05:53] <highvoltage> the days were much longer there though. sun setting at 11 at night. in cape town it was dark by 5.
[05:53] <mdke> it's dark now here (5pm)
[05:54] <highvoltage> bbl. connected through cell phone and have to make call now...
[06:18] <Madpilot> morning - sorry I'm running late
[06:19] <mdke> no problem :)
[06:19] <mdke> no one else is here
[06:19] <Madpilot> ah, never mind
[06:20] <mdke> Madpilot, :( Are you around for a bit, maybe we can see if someone comes...
[06:21] <Madpilot> yeah, I'm here for a while
[06:22] <mdke> cool
[11:16] <mdke_> burglaptop, obviously canadian television isn't covering the snooker final, huh?
[11:17] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm here but I'm trying to get ready for Christmas vacation
[11:19] <burglaptop> mdke_: I am at my GFs and she doesn't have television
[11:19] <burglaptop> plus I am recovering from surgery so I am lying in bed a lot
[11:19] <mdke_> ouch, hope it went well
[11:20] <burglaptop> I will end up taking more time away from work than I anticipated, due to it being more complex than imagined
[11:20] <burglaptop> but it did go well
[11:21] <mdke_> good
[11:21] <LaserJock> recovering from surgery and no tv. I would go insane! Unless I had some DSL and could chat here and do some Ubuntu work ;-)
[11:21] <burglaptop> I borrow wireless from the neighbours here
[11:24] <LaserJock> oh, well that's good, I guess 
[11:25] <burglaptop> it is nice and fast and competely free, thanks to our friends at linksys
[11:25] <LaserJock> While I am gone for 2 weeks over Christmas I will be lucky to get dialup. My parents line is like 24.4KB
[11:25] <burglaptop> ouch
[11:25] <burglaptop> I intend to spend a maximumof 12 hours on christmas this year
[11:25] <mdke_> don't go!
[11:26] <burglaptop> that includes transportation to and from my step mothers mothers place
[11:28] <LaserJock> I get to spend 1 week with the inlaws and 1 week with my parents. My wife and I get to drive 1000 mi. through snow to get there.
[11:28] <LaserJock> but I'm so excited ;-)
[11:28] <burglaptop> oh, and that also includes shopping for said holiday
[11:29] <mdke> argh inlaws
[11:29] <mdke> Hugelmopf: Reorganizing and extending the dialup/modem pages.
[11:29] <mdke> wicked
[11:29] <burglaptop> nice, that needed to be done a very long time ago
[11:30] <mdke> yep
[11:30] <burglaptop> I wish we had a good way to contact people through the bloody wiki
[11:33] <burglaptop> mdke: well, hey, he contacted us
[11:33] <KingBahamut> They havent made a PMer for wiki's yet burg.....that i know of 
[11:34] <mdke> burglaptop, ?
[11:35] <burglaptop> KingBahamut: umm, mediawiki allows in wiki communication through talk pages as well as automatic emailling of contributors (without shwoing those addys)
[11:35] <KingBahamut> Ill try to bring that up in the current meeting Im having
[11:35] <KingBahamut> thanks 
[11:36] <burglaptop> mdke: he emailed ubuntu-devel on a thread about modem users pain
[11:36] <mdke> ah cool
[11:36] <mdke> i don't read that list
[11:36] <burglaptop> just cc-ed us
[11:36] <mdke> thanks
[11:37] <mdke> oh rock
[11:40] <burglaptop> salut mhz
[11:41] <mhz> salut burglaptop 
[11:41] <mhz> burglaptop: how many nicks do you have?
[11:41] <burglaptop> 3
[11:41] <mhz> oh
[11:41] <burglaptop> for where I am
[11:41] <mhz> nice
[11:42] <burglaptop> Burgundavia is for at home, Burgwork at home and Burglaptop for when I am on my laptop, usually at my GF
[11:42] <mdke> hey KingBahamut, you were looking for me yesterday?
[11:42] <KingBahamut> if I was capn 
[11:42] <KingBahamut> I have long since forgotten why 
[11:43] <KingBahamut> my sorries capn
[11:43] <mdke> ah ok
[11:43] <mdke> nothing important then :D
[11:43] <mhz> burglaptop: GF?
[11:43] <mhz> GeekFree?
[11:44] <mdke> sort of
[11:44] <mdke> girl friend
[11:44] <mhz> duh!
[11:44] <mhz> hehehe
[11:44] <KingBahamut> if it was mdke 
[11:44] <KingBahamut> Id be spammin yer mail and irc whisper window 
[11:44] <KingBahamut> trust me
[11:44] <mdke> cool
[11:44] <mhz> burglaptop: and she lets you use 'your' time on IRC?
[11:45] <littlepaul> mdke, did you heard about the ubuntu-motu-school?
[11:46] <mdke> vaguely... i read something about it on planet
[11:46] <mdke> y?
[11:46] <mhz> littlepaul: hi. motu-school, very nice idea
[11:46] <mhz> unfortunately, I missed it
[11:46] <littlepaul> my thought was to make something similar for ubuntu-doc :)
[11:46] <mhz> :(
[11:46] <mhz> yup, good idea!
[11:47] <mdke> littlepaul, aha. what did you have in mind?
[11:47] <LaserJock> yeah, motu-school rocks
[11:47] <mhz> I offer myself for a Moin-School
[11:48] <LaserJock> the only problem with motu-school that I have seen is lack of people willing to set aside enough time to help people. The MOTU are pretty busy as it is.
[11:48] <littlepaul> mdke, I would be happy if you or someone else could make a presentation regarding the whole doc thing ( in a few sesions) - I'm sure it would help
[11:49] <littlepaul> LaserJock, sure :(
[11:49] <mdke> littlepaul, would this be video, irc, wiki page, what?
[11:49] <LaserJock> motu-school is on irc
[11:49] <littlepaul> mdke, similar to motu first irc and then in wiki
[11:49] <littlepaul> the summary goes to wiki
[11:49] <mdke> i'd be glad to help if I can
[11:49] <LaserJock> but it will be transferred to wiki and eventually the Ubuntu Packaging Guide if everything goes well
[11:50] <littlepaul> right
[11:50] <mdke> there is already loads of material on the wiki we can use
[11:50] <littlepaul> mdke I am aware about this material but I think something practically would make it more interesting :)
[11:51] <mdke> littlepaul, sure, i agree. How shall we go about trying to get people involved and planning stuff?
[11:53] <littlepaul> mdke,  the problem ist that many users to not join this forum - maby via ubuntu ml?
[11:53] <LaserJock> maybe just email the list and offer up a time and place for people to come and see mhz dazzle us with Moin?
[11:53] <littlepaul> mdke, sounder?
[11:54] <mdke> sure, and the forums too
[11:54] <mdke> but the problem is that people are always in different timezones and it will be tricky to get enough people
[11:55] <littlepaul> 12:00 UTC Saturday or Sunday?
[11:55] <mdke> preferably not next week
[11:55] <mdke> :)
[11:55] <littlepaul> :)
[11:55] <mdke> i can post it to planet too (*nudges jdub*) or we can get jerome/corey to post there
[11:56] <littlepaul> mdke first I can make a announce on the ml to check the interest and then as a second step planet
[11:56] <mdke> sure good idea
[11:57] <littlepaul> I mean you should make this announce :)
[11:57] <littlepaul> mdke,  do you know the motu report and den ubuntu desktop news?
[11:58] <mdke> i saw the desktop news post
[11:58] <mdke> you think we should do one of those too?
[11:58] <littlepaul> could the ubuntu-doc team offer a monthly or periodical report?
[11:58] <mdke> yeah we could
[11:58] <mdke> another good idea
[11:59] <littlepaul> :)
[11:59] <mdke> i post to sounder every so often, but we could do something a bit more formal if you like
[11:59] <littlepaul> this could be a chance to involve people
[11:59] <mdke> yeah, we really need to :)
[12:00] <littlepaul> mdke, such formal reports are like "milestones" 
[12:00] <littlepaul> the interest is bigger because people are waiting for such news 
[12:01] <littlepaul> mdke, we can talk further about this in 2 weeks if you wish
[12:01] <mdke> i'm happy to talk further about it whenever you like
[12:02] <mdke> how do you want to proceed now?
[12:03] <mdke> you want to mail some lists, or shall I?
[12:03] <littlepaul> I hope that you get enough time to collect some ideas in the next weeks and maby it would be possible for you to create a formal thing
[12:03] <mdke> on the school idea or the newsletter idea?
[12:03] <mdke> the newsletter should be relatively easy
[12:04] <littlepaul> ok
[12:04] <littlepaul> so pls bring it on the ml and announce this school idea