[12:02] aptitude is really giving me a headache [12:03] wow [12:03] <\sh> ogra: the cube 21h [12:03] multisync 0.90.18 really is experimental [12:03] it wipes all your data? [12:03] it ignores deletes on the phone [12:03] can't configure the irmc plugin [12:04] \sh, expect it to go over 1000 then ... [12:05] amazon US is actually selling iBook G4 at $900, not sure about europe though === minghua noticed that gucharmap is categorized in Accessibility menu now [12:11] in europe you get the cheapest around 1000 === \sh goes to bed again...headache starts [12:12] <\sh> night guys === Amaranth [n=amaranth@24-116-61-125.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] ajmitch: azeem ping [12:17] crimsun: bug #5888 is the first package for scim rebuild. I'll work on others tonight and tomorrow [12:17] Malone bug #5888: scim-canna: package needs rebuild against libscim8c2a In: Ubuntu, Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5888 [12:17] minghua: ok [12:18] lifeless: pong [12:18] so [12:18] opensync 0.18 [12:18] I packaged that version thinking that tracking releases would be a good idea [12:18] I'm not sure that that is the case :[ [12:18] but no.. [12:18] the release is broken? [12:18] fooked [12:18] crimsun: I believe you prefer my sending all debdiffs to you together instead of bugging you for each package :-) [12:18] sigh [12:19] do they test it at all before releasing? [12:19] its not that [12:19] its that its a noticable step back from multisync - lots of things broken in the rearchitecture FWICT [12:20] minghua: either way [12:20] I'm just tracking down a bug in irmc for instance [12:20] that's quite unfortunate - I thought they were trying to fix what was lacking [12:20] 0 length vcal files are reported as 'modified' [12:21] yes, I saw in the channel [12:22] revu new world order is done :) [12:22] sistpoty: revu2 is finished? ;) [12:22] One question: is MoM clever enough to knwo that -XbuildY version doesn't have sourceful changes and sync them automatically? [12:22] minghua: yes [12:22] ajmitch: no only sorting the list for revu 1 [12:22] minghua: that's why we use that - it only looks at -XubuntuY [12:23] cool, then I don't need to babysit scim-m17n in dapper [12:23] ajmitch: the ui to configure irmc is awol [12:23] ajmitch: thanks. I thought that would be the whole point of differing -XubuntuY and -XbuildY suffices [12:24] ajmitch: it *looks* to me like their split into parallel hiearchies was not done preserving the old functionalit [12:24] y [12:24] lifeless: it was a ground-up rewrite [12:24] and they're filling in the pieces as needed? [12:24] no [12:24] definately a lot of old code there, the copyrights tell the tale [12:25] I think it was a hacknslash job to the new framework [12:25] and devil take the hindmost [12:27] that bugs in HEAD anyway, whew [12:27] that's a good thing? [12:27] yes, it means I don't have to backport a fix on an active project === scotth [n=scotth@157.182.194.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:28] I'm curious, how do people here upgrade their packages to new upstream versions. Do you apply the diff or move the debian dir over or start from scratch or is there some automated tool for this? [12:28] scotth: uscan/uupdate can automate this process [12:29] sistpoty, thanks === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-137-99.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] scotth: and if you don't use that, it's usually a good idea to move the debian dir over, as more things will stay the same then will change [12:30] scotth: and maybe consider making all debian/ubuntu specific changes into patches, so all the .diff.gz is limited in debian/ dir [12:31] for an alternative, I put everyine in bzr [12:31] then a new upstream is just a new commit in the upstream branch, and a merge. [12:32] lifeless: how do you handle moved files in upstream? [12:32] you untar new upstream tarball, copy over .bzr? [12:33] ajmitch: I untar the tarball if the upstream does not use vcs. [12:33] ajmitch: then check status etc and adjust, the commit [12:34] ajmitch: but if the upstream uses vcs, its easier still ;) [12:34] certainly [12:34] but then you don't have an orig.tar.gz that matches upstream, which can be a little annoying [12:34] I guess thats another reason I largely ignore tarballs for packaging [12:34] hmm, maybe I should do the same thing [12:34] meh === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua wonders if svk can do what lifeless discribed [12:35] the number of upstreams that release 'orig' tarballs we cant directly use is growing not decreasing [12:35] my upstream used CVS and all my debian packaging stuff is in SVN now [12:35] -> autoconf dependencies & configure or makefile bugs [12:35] lifeless: we've just run into a few issues where debian & ubuntu have packaged a new upstream version separately, with differing tarballs [12:35] makes syncing a real pain [12:35] -> included inappropriate files such as object or GFDL files [12:35] that one is annoying [12:35] sistpoty, how do you create a watchfile if none is provided upstream? [12:35] ajmitch: yeah, I can imagine. Fortunately, as I can't upload to ubuntu yet, that won't happen ;) [12:36] scotth: just look at "man uscan"... good source for examples [12:36] lol, of course [12:43] speaking of modifying .orig.tar.gz, what is the conventional way to deal with .tar.bz2 only upstream? [12:43] just bunzip2 and gzip it? [12:43] yes. [12:44] unless its insanely big [12:44] in which case ... evil happens [12:45] is there a good way to find out if a package has a motu maintainer? [12:45] most packages in universe don't have a motu that is caring for that specific one [12:46] there are some teams that do [12:46] opensync-debian-team rah rah rah [12:46] I was wondering about that as well [12:46] mono team, etc [12:46] it would be nice to have some way to indicate a universe package get more love than others [12:47] which means some MOTU/MOTU-wannabe is building and testing it [12:47] grep the output from dapper-changes and pipe it through wc -l? ;) [12:47] instead of just simplying syncing/merging from sid [12:48] crimsun: not a bad idea... :-) [12:48] well I'm interested in gajim, ejabberd, and a few other jabber related things. I notice that gajim is listed in launchpad.net and has a registrant. Does that mean it has a maintainer kinda? [12:48] scotth: for that, there's the MOTU IM team [12:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUIM [12:49] scotth, just look who touched it last (changelog) for any package, and talk to this guy if he cares personally, but in general we dont have any personalized packages [12:49] ahh [12:49] makes sense [12:50] most is done in teams here ... no "maintainers" like debian has [12:50] actually it looks like I might want to join MOTUIM [12:50] it looks to be right up my alley [12:50] indeed there are people that care more for certain packages ... [12:51] is it acceptable to add my name to that team in the wiki or should I contact the people listed? [12:51] do both ;) [12:52] cool === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-082-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] ajmitch: azeem: anyway, I think we need to upload multisync 0.90 in parallell with 0.8x [01:09] for a while yet [01:09] tchau - yum cha time === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] blurg, skim fails to build and I can't work out why or recreate it [01:15] /usr/bin/fakeroot debian/rules binary-arch [01:15] make: Nothing to be done for `binary-arch'. [01:16] sistpoty; i talked to the debian upstream guy about ghc. as it turns out, someone reported the bug that the patch fixes against debian so he plans on integrating the patch (probably not until after the holidays, though) [01:17] desrt: thx... I just check timetable when upstreamversion-freeze will be for dapper === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] ah. right. [01:18] is the maintainer of linphone around? [01:18] having a working ghci on powerpc is decidedly in my interests so i'd definitely advocate including the patch for ourselves if debian isn't fast enough :) [01:19] hi Riddell, is the build log somewhere? [01:19] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/skim/1.4.3-0ubuntu3/skim_1.4.3-0ubuntu3_20051217-2251-powerpc-failed.gz [01:20] if liblinphone1 depends on libjack0.100, but liblinphone1-dev depends on libjack0.100 - should I file a bug? === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] eruin: why, that's the same thing? [01:20] well, that makes liblinphone1-dev uninstallable === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.95.116] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:21] oh, my mistake,. liblinphone1-dev depends on libjack0.80 ;) [01:21] desrt: we have uvf on jan 19. So i guess it will be better, if I include the patch soon... I still have the possibility to go in sync with debian later on [01:21] poor typing this late [01:21] desrt: where can I find your patch? in BTS? [01:21] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343428 [01:22] desrt: cool, thx. will care for it during next week [01:23] sistpoty; most excellent. thanks. [01:23] np [01:23] eruin: looks like a beastie! I'm taking a look [01:23] Riddell, thanks mate :) === scotth [n=scotth@157.182.194.3] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === scotth [n=scotth@157.182.209.170] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] eruin: uploaded, keep an eye on http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linphone/ to make sure it compiles === eruin locks eyelids in their upright position [01:32] Riddell: I just take a look at skim (ubuntu2) and its rules [01:32] sistpoty: see anything revealing? [01:32] sistpoty: do you mean 0ubuntu3? [01:32] Riddell: if I get it right, you should have a target binary-arch... binary should depend on binary-arch [01:33] sistpoty: see changelog for 0ubuntu3 [01:33] minghua: no, I guess my sources are outdated [01:33] * Add fake rule in debian/rules on binary-arch [01:33] sistpoty: Riddell added an empty binary-arch target in debian/rules, but it didn't seem to help === sistpoty looks at updated package [01:33] I was thinking maybe binary-arch should depend on binary-common or something [01:34] I'm building skim -0ubuntu3 in pbuilder right now [01:35] compared to dh_make templates and policy hints, binary should depend on binary-arch and binary-indep [01:36] however binary-arch is optional according to the policy... maybe sbuild is wrong there === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] args... no binary-arch must exist (according to policy) and always succeed (even if it has nothing to do) [01:37] which is why you often see an empty rule [01:38] sistpoty: you were looking at build-arch, weren't you? ;-) [01:38] yes [01:39] yikes, scons sends color terminal control code to its log [01:40] scons... [01:40] *shudder* [01:43] sistpoty, but thats a silly and very debianish part of the policy, the ubuntu buildds are more tolerant ... [01:43] hehe [01:43] i have some "non policy compliant" ubuntu only packages where i tipped it out [01:43] *riped [01:44] grrr [01:44] *rpped [01:44] the only thing that looks odd with rules, is that phony targets are not listed in .PHONY [01:44] ARGH [01:44] r i p p e d [01:44] phew === StevenK screams at imake and rips his hair out. === StevenK screams at autoscan and rips his hair out. === StevenK screams at wnn6-sdk in general and rips his hair out. === ogra hands StevenK a broom [01:45] StevenK is probably going to be bold pretty soon... :-P [01:46] I'm already bold. :-P [01:46] ITYM bald. :-) [01:46] yeah, I meant bald [01:47] StevenK: thanks for correcting, I was actually not sure and looking it up [01:48] minghua: I suspect you can usually speak English better than I can. :-) [01:48] It may be my first language, but I still suck at it. :-) [01:48] Riddell: I got exactly the same error with "pbuilder build --binary-arch skim_1.4.3-0ubuntu3.dsc" [01:49] Riddell: so probably the buildd is right [01:49] hmm, right === StevenK wonders how to break open a locked computer case. [01:50] hammer? :-P [01:50] drill & hacksaw [01:50] screwdriver? [01:50] Kyral: No screws, only a lock. [01:50] ajmitch: Ouch. [01:50] drill out the lock [01:50] Tried that. [01:50] yah I concur with ajmitch [01:50] nm [01:50] ah :( [01:50] Blowtorch? [01:51] Well, I drilled a hole in the lock, is that the same thing? [01:51] ok... /me needs to go to bed now [01:51] gn8 everyone [01:51] that's usually how it's done [01:51] drill out the centre of it so that it can open [01:51] And I think I bent the bit doing it. [01:51] night sistpoty [01:51] Riddell: I _think_ having binary-arch depending on binary-common would solve it [01:52] it looks like a -B build will only call binary-arch, not binary [01:54] the debian/rules of skim doesn't look very professional anyway === eruin [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] I wonder why my computer loves crashing/overheating so much when I compile gaim [01:59] or rather, ./configure it [02:00] if a file is installed from a package it can be found by dpkg -S right? [02:02] LaserJock: only if it's in the package's .list file (i.e., not installed by postinst script, etc.) [02:03] minghua: ahhh, can I find it if it is isn't in the .list file? [02:03] and sometimes symlinks confuse dpkg -S as well [02:03] LaserJock: the .list file is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ if you installed it :-) [02:05] Riddell, linphone_1.1.0-2ubuntu2_20051218-0047-i386-given-back.gz [02:05] LaserJock: I don't know how... probably looking at the postinst script? [02:06] Riddell, doesn't look too healthy, the poor thing [02:06] eruin: the i386 buildds seem to be in a mood to do that today [02:06] Riddell, all work, no fun ;-) [02:07] minghua: there are posinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ so maybe it's there. I just need to track down where a particular file got installed from [02:09] LaserJock: ah. I was thinking you just want to know _if_ a certain file is from a certain package, now you want to know _whick package_ it is from... that's harder :-) [02:09] minghua: yeah, there is a file that is creating a bug and nobody knows where it comes from [02:10] LaserJock: maybe first try "readlink -f file" to get rid of symlink problem first? [02:10] LaserJock: bug nubmer? === Lathiat2 [n=lathiat@202.72.150.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] bugzilla 20183 [02:13] where is our friend Ubugtu now? [02:13] Ubugtu: ubuntu 20183 [02:13] Ubuntu Bugzilla bug #20183: firefox 1.4.99 upgrade still have compreg.dat, creates issue Product: Ubuntu, Component: firefox, Severity: normal, Assigned to: iwj@ubuntu.com, Status: NEW https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20183 [02:15] minghua: seems to have done the trick thanks [02:15] Riddell: no problem. thank *you* for working on skim :-) [02:16] well it was freeflying [02:17] Riddell: yeah, but you are the sponsor :-) [02:17] LaserJock: didn't comment #22 say it was shipped in mozilla-firefox 1.0.7? [02:18] looks like I need to rebuild all the scim modules [02:19] LaserJock: oh never mind, I see comment #25 now [02:19] Riddell: for what reason? I am working on the libstdc++ allocator transition rebuild right now [02:19] minghua: oh, if you're doing it that's all good then [02:20] Riddell: if for skim support, then rebuild won't help [02:20] Riddell: yes, and crimsun is sponsoring me :-) [02:20] ah good [02:21] it's really good having CKJ types involved [02:33] Riddell: did freeflying say anything about the .orig.tar.gz inconsistancy to you? [02:34] Riddell: I met him on IRC a few days ago and he said he is waiting for William uploading it to debian now [02:34] Riddell: but he didn't say anything about my comments [02:40] good night === eruin_ [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.94.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:35] now I am finally getting this scim-setup segfault myself. === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-249-173.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] any MOTUs willing to do a quick review? [04:13] LaserJock: what kind of review? [04:13] REVU review [04:14] which package? [04:14] plotdrop [04:15] minghua: do you use gnuplot? [04:15] LaserJock: yes [04:16] you might like this package I've got on revu, plotdrop. You can drag n drop data files into it and plot them with gnuplot [04:16] it's pretty cool [04:17] the homepage is at http://icculus.org/~jcspray/plotdrop/ [04:18] LaserJock: sounds cool. thanks [04:18] and the author is an Ubuntu user so that is cool to ;-) [04:25] bmonty: a .desktop file is intalled [04:26] ahh, I see it now :) [04:27] so I don't need to keep the comments at the top? [04:27] LaserJock: nope...you only need the first line [04:28] the rest of the comments don't really apply IMO [04:28] what about # -*- makefile -*- [04:28] does that do anything? [04:28] no [04:29] LaserJock: that's for emacs IIRC [04:29] even more reason to remove it :) [04:29] lol [04:29] ok, uploaded [04:31] bmonty: not an emacs fan? [04:32] LaserJock: its not my favorite editor [04:33] bmonty: so do you like vim better or something else? [04:33] I personally like vim better than emacs [04:35] I started out with emacs but I am starting to get used to vim. I have to force myself to use each one for a few days at a time. I am getting better at both that way. === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] sweet, thanks bmonty [04:37] np [04:39] LaserJock: plotdrop builds here, I got a couple errors with piuparts but no files that your package touches [04:43] any one interested in looking @ ttb (revu) [04:45] bmonty: ahh, yeah. I need to get piuparts going. I haven't tried that out yet [04:45] you have a pbuilder, right? [04:45] bmonty wasnt it you wo also looked at ttb ? === lukas [n=lukas@pcp02403042pcs.brdgtn01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] hey lukas [04:46] JohnnyMast: maybe :) [04:46] bmonty well i have made my fixes [04:46] hey JohnnyMast [04:46] :D [04:46] bmonty: yeah, I have pbuilder and dchroot, but I haven't bothered to get piuparts going yet [04:46] welcome back home lukas [04:47] LaserJock: you can use your pbuilder chroot with piuparts check out the -p or -b options [04:47] bmonty: sweet, good to know. I will look into that [04:48] crimsun: what I have done tonight is in malone 5894, 5895 and 5896 [04:48] Malone bug #5894: chewing (Ubuntu) - scim-chewing: needs rebuild against libscim8c2a In: scim-chewing (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5894 [04:49] crimsun: but scim-uim (5896) has some other bug, so you may want to delay that upload, please see my comments on malone [04:49] crimsun: thanks [04:49] minghua: ok [04:50] I'll look at 589[45] then [04:54] punkrockguy318 nice nick :) [04:54] JohnnyMast, thank you =D [04:54] ur a punk rocker ? === JohnnyMast listens to bad religion [04:56] and Johnny cash ... ring of fire [04:56] crimsun: is it okay to close the bug even if scim-canna hasn't been built on i386 yet? ;-) [04:58] while ur asking crimsun: (and hes gone) i do advise you to wait [04:59] JohnnyMast: oh sure [05:01] but then again its just an advise === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:01] lunchtime all :D [05:01] luchtime ?? [05:01] its 5 at night man [05:01] :p [05:02] er its 12 noon here :P [05:02] oh in that case, i would like one sandwitch with cheese please [05:02] neh ile make it my self and head to bed === zakame gives JohnnyMast a cheese sandwich [05:03] mmm thanks man :) [05:03] JohnnyMast: rock on :) [05:03] :D [05:04] alright im gone, MOTU`s sand hopefulls sleep well [05:05] gn8 JohnnyMast [05:05] gn === JohnnyMast is now known as JohnnyMast_afk === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] Goodnight MOTU [05:38] gn8 Kyral === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.94.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:09] bye all === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-123-217.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === poningru [n=poningru@pool-68-238-172-110.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] azeem: ping? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [n=crimsun@cpe-066-056-187-199.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru_ [n=poningru@pool-70-110-71-95.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-137-99.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:50] hey all [08:51] hi zakame, welcome back :-) === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === markuman [n=supermar@p50925FAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu === markuman [n=supermar@p50925021.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@84.5.70.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:02] hello [11:07] Gloubiboulga: salut :) [11:08] salut pef :) [11:30] morning all [11:32] hello sivang === greenpenguin13 [n=joseph@user-4486.lns1-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:42] would someone mind fixing bug #21126 please? ive tried myself, but... :-p [11:42] Error: Error getting Malone bug #21126: Bug does not exist [11:52] greenpenguin13, gnomemeeting just needs a rebuild I think [12:01] #21126 [12:02] i will have a peek... [12:04] morning === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:07] afternoon [12:13] azeem: around ? === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@d005209.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Firetech [n=Jocke@amarok/rokymotion/Firetech] has left #ubuntu-motu ["So] === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herve [n=hcauweli@ubuntu/member/herve] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] hello [01:08] hello herve === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === greenpenguin13 [n=joseph@user-4486.lns1-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:54] lifeless: hey === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-123-217.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] anyone on ppc64? === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-26-207.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable084.72-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:31] with debhelper, how can I put the configure thing before cleaning?? [02:34] why do you need that? [02:36] Presumably clean is running make clean with no Makefile. === aaron_ [n=aaron@cpc2-walt3-5-0-cust45.popl.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] StevenK , azeem : well it's because it's a ruby building apps, so when I do "ruby install.rb clean" before "ruby install.rb config" it complains that he needs to run config before === aaron_ [n=aaron@cpc2-walt3-5-0-cust45.popl.cable.ntl.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [02:41] azzem , StevenK : so any idea how I could do that? [02:41] Add a - to ruby install.rb clean so it's non-fatal. [02:41] "-ruby install.rb clean" [02:47] yeah but where? [02:48] debian/rules [02:48] ho ok sorry [02:49] I get this dh_testdir [02:49] # Add here commands to compile the package. [02:49] ruby install.rb setup [02:49] install.rb config first [02:49] Try 'ruby install.rb --help' for detailed usage. [02:49] make: *** [build-stamp] Error 1 [02:49] debuild: fatal error at line 765: [02:49] dpkg-buildpackage failed! [02:49] ho ok I see why, forget this === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === siretart [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-189-218.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-75-221.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Cimmerian [n=crom@80.239.71.231] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:05] good afternoon [04:06] is the maintainer of kdetv here ? === _jason [n=jason@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jason [n=jason@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === buxy [n=nraphael@arrakeen.ouaza.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:57] JohnnyMast: hi === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:57] Riddell hi [04:57] not sure who that is but it's a KDE package so it's probably my fault [04:58] well i just wanted to ask one question [04:58] i have the same setup in configureing and makefiles [04:59] and they where also created with kdevelop but it install in /usr/local/bin [04:59] and thats bad when developing a ubuntu package so im wondering what kdetv does === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-189-218.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub_ [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub_ is now known as hub [05:04] JohnnyMast: --prefix=/usr for ./configure [05:05] well thats not it ... and yes i know that hack [05:05] it's not a h [05:05] it's not a hack, it's how all [05:05] but thats not supposed to be needed [05:05] automake programs work [05:06] JohnnyMast: the kdetv package uses cdbs which will specify the --prefix for ./configure [05:07] JohnnyMast: it is needed because programs usually default to /usr/local for prefix [05:07] which is fine for locally compiled and installed softwre [05:07] azeem yes for native packages [05:07] but not for OS software [05:07] installed via .deb packages [05:08] right, that's why we do --prefix=/usr [05:08] it's not a hack, it is how it is supposed to be [05:09] i was just wondering the if maintainer took (ubuntu maintainer) care of that else he/she had to use --prefix=/usr [05:14] --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var [05:14] or maybe --sysconfdir=/etc/kde3 [05:14] --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 --disable-rpath --with-xinerama === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable084.72-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:15] Riddell its good to know you know your stuff. Makes reviewing a heck of a lot easyer === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asbin [n=asbin@aristote.asbin.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:28] some one fixing gnomemeeting already if not leave it to me [05:32] you fix main packages ? === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp04197965pcs.crosky01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:33] ow its main ? === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@d058180.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] (I'm speaking of packages which don't exist in Debian yet). [05:53] sry. didn't want to paste === iceman [n=iceman@81.247.167.75] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] siretart: hehe, I've seen that you've read my mail then :) [06:06] buxy: sorry? which mail? [06:07] siretart: the one that you pasted [06:07] buxy: aah, that mail. of course :) [06:07] ah, so you are raphael, nice to meet you :) [06:07] siretart: nice to meet you too :) [06:07] buxy: that email is very interesting and promising stuff. I'm currently thinging how to get the most of it. for both debian and ubuntu [06:09] siretart: Yeah, I would love to be able to set a "nice precedent" of successfull collaboration between Ubuntu and Debian :) [06:10] buxy: that would be really really great. [06:10] I'm still thinking about a few details [06:10] whats means : old-fsf-address-in-copyright-file ? [06:11] thierry, what it says ... [06:11] what's an old-fsf-adress ? [06:11] siretart: just tell me what you're thinking... [06:11] f-s-f == free software foundation [06:11] thierry: use "lintian-info" to have more verbose information about the message [06:11] thierry, they moved ... [06:12] ogra: that's the right answer, explaining people how to learn themselves :) [06:12] buxy: if I understand you correctly, then you want to have something like REVU, but what is also a frontend to a more or less public svn archive, yes? === iceman [n=iceman@81.247.167.75] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12]