[12:07] <Riddell> Tm_T: hmm?  what's changed?
[12:09] <Tm_T> Preparing to replace kdebase-bin 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu1 (using .../kdebase-bin_4%3a3.5.0-0ubuntu4_i386.deb)
[12:09] <Tm_T> etc
[12:09] <Tm_T> just wondering what's different in those packages
[12:12] <Riddell> well that's all fine, no change in dependencies
[12:12] <Riddell> see the changelog
[12:12] <Tm_T> hmm, how I can see that?
[12:13] <Tm_T> I'm not in my sharpest knife in this time of night ;)
[12:14] <Tm_T> uh, kio_apt is awesome
[12:15] <Tonio_> Tm_T: is the last version able to perform an apt-get install ?
[12:15] <Riddell> zless /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian.gz
[12:15] <Tonio_> last time I used it it was only able to perform searches and display inormations
[12:16] <Tm_T> Tonio_: yes, only shows info and search
[12:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: thank you :)
[12:17] <Tm_T> ah, minor changes
[12:18] <Tm_T> hmh, can't remember how I reenabled kcontrol to menu
[12:21] <Riddell> edit /usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop
[12:21] <Riddell> Tm_T: why do you prefer kcontrol?
[12:21] <Tm_T> I'm used to it
[12:21] <Tm_T> and I find all what I need from there
[12:21] <Tm_T> that new thing is ... well, I just don't like it :)
[12:22] <Tm_T> just like some of us still use apt-get
[12:22] <Tm_T> atleast I do
[12:23] <Tm_T> and I found that newer thing bit buggy
[12:23] <Tm_T> hmm, will test it again
=== Hobbsee_away prefers kcontrol as well
[12:26] <Tm_T> hmm, I don't have that system settings thing installed :o
[12:26] <Riddell> but kcontrol is unusable!
[12:26] <Tonio_> I do prefer systemsettings
[12:26] <Tonio_> but kcontrol has less bugs ;)
[12:26] <Tm_T> how it's unusable?
[12:27] <Tonio_> that mix french/english confuses me ;)
[12:27] <Riddell> tree widgets don't scale
[12:27] <Riddell> at least not when things don't fall into easy categories
[12:27] <Tonio_> that's not a problem for english people, but it is confusing if you are using another language
[12:28] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I use english as my "IT language"
[12:28] <Tm_T> don't like to use finnish desktop
[12:28] <Riddell> yes, I'll fix the i18n
[12:28] <Tm_T> :)
[12:28] <Riddell> well, I'll try to :)
[12:29] <Tm_T> hehe
[12:29] <Tm_T> and I try that system settings thin now
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: but technically, I feel that systemsetting is more user friendly ;)
[12:29] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I'm using french kubuntu at home
[12:29] <Tonio_> and english at work
[12:29] <Tm_T> heh
=== Hobbsee can never find anything in system settings
[12:29] <Tonio_> I don't have any problem switching, but the mix is confusing ;)
[12:29] <Tm_T> I use english but amaroK and Kopete are cy
[12:30] <Riddell> cy?  You use welsh?
[12:30] <Tm_T> yes, in those two programs
[12:30] <Riddell> umm, why?
[12:30] <Tm_T> so I learn it faster than only reading it time to time
[12:30] <Riddell> welsh is unusable with KDE, there's no letter 'K'
[12:31] <Tm_T> ok, first bug found in system settings
[12:31] <Tonio_> welsh ?
[12:31] <Tonio_> what country is it ?
[12:31] <Tm_T> pressing "show all" doesnt work
[12:31] <Tonio_> Tm_T: it works
[12:31] <Riddell> Tm_T: Wales, only 200 miles from England
[12:31] <Tonio_> but if you double click too fast
[12:31] <Tonio_> it doesn't work anymore ;)
[12:31] <Tm_T> Tonio_: one click
[12:31] <Tonio_> simple click or slow double click
[12:31] <Tonio_> hu ?
[12:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that the doubleclick related bug ?
[12:32] <Tm_T> one click, but doesn't work
[12:32] <Riddell> if he's having problems double clicking I'd say it was
[12:32] <Tm_T> it just greyes out
[12:32] <Tonio_> Tm_T: show all works for me except if I doubleclick fast on an icon....
[12:32] <Riddell> that's strange
[12:32] <Tm_T> I'm strange ;)
[12:33] <Riddell> but we love you!
[12:34] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[12:34] <Tm_T> ... almost funny
[12:34] <Tm_T> ;--P
[12:35] <Tm_T> ok, so system settings is unusable to me
[12:35] <Tm_T> kcontrol isn't ;)
=== Riddell beds
[12:42] <Hobbsee> bed?  nah...
[12:44] <seth_k|lappy> early bed tonight
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[04:06] <Tm_T> roarrr
[04:09] <Hobbsee> ROAR!
[04:09] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:09] <Tm_T> aye
[04:10] <Tm_T> was fun crawling and wandering around in house
[04:10] <Tm_T> have to see a doctor soon, this isn't just right
[04:11] <Hobbsee> :(
[04:12] <Tm_T> well, no sleep tonight, that's sure
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[08:54] <viviersf> Riddell : ping
[09:01] <seaLne> hmm did delete folder in kmail disapear in 3.5 or is this a kubuntu thing?
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[12:27] <Tonio_> hi
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[06:42] <lamont> checking build system type... hppa64-unknown-linux-gnu
[06:42] <lamont> checking host system type... hppa64-unknown-linux-gnu
[06:42] <lamont> kexec-tools needs a current config.{guess,sub}, it appears
[06:42] <lamont> (should show as 'hppa', not 'hppa64'
[06:46] <jjesse> is firefox 1.5 included in dapper for kubuntu?
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[06:50] <Riddell> lamont: an error on powerpc too, I'll investigate
[06:50] <lamont> thanks
[06:50] <Riddell> jjesse: 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-1ubuntu6
[06:50] <lamont> back in a bit
[06:50] <jjesse> so on the release notes can i say that FF 1.5 is included or not?
[06:51] <jjesse> at wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight2 they mention FF 1.5
[06:52] <Riddell> jjesse: say a beta is in
[06:52] <Riddell> well, a release candidate, even better
[06:52] <jjesse> Riddell: ok will mention that a release canidate of FF 1.5 is in
[06:52] <jjesse> slow day at work :)
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