[12:47] <jordi> lifeless: hey. I need admin help :)
[02:06] <lifeless> jordi: what can I do for you ?
[03:55] <jamesh> gnome bugzilla has had a face lift
[03:55] <jamesh> wonder if there are any ideas worth stealing :)
[05:59] <stub> Geez - 390 emails in my bug box
[07:20] <dholbach> good morning - i wanted to raise your awareness on this post http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2005/12/msg00214.html - it seems like this is infrastructure that'd be useful to *a bunch* of distros/people - perhaps you'll want to get involved into the discussion yourselves...
[07:29] <BjornT> dholbach: interesting. i'm not quite sure how that fits into launchpad, but maybe you could send that link to launchpad at lists.canonical.com, to make sure the relevant people get to know about it?
[07:30] <dholbach> BjornT: good idea, will do so.
[07:30] <BjornT> cool
[07:31] <lifeless> its related to the bzr stuff we're working like nuts to bring online
[07:32] <lifeless> except its svn, which blows
[07:32] <dholbach> yeah, that's what i thought
[07:33] <dholbach> the problem is also, that there might be a couple of other distros (sooner or later), who'd like to participate in this and they're just seeing ubuntu and debian yet. with launchpad we have bug management across distros already, so i thought the launchpad-kind of infrastructure might make more sense.
[07:34] <lifeless> dholbach: thats why bzr
[07:34] <lifeless> svn leads to the privileged vs unprivileged tension - folk being 'kicked off' if they misbehave etc
[07:34] <dholbach> yeah
[07:36] <jamesh> lifeless: but helps you maintain control of your packages :)
[07:37] <lifeless> jamesh: not really. Thats seriously orthogonal, uploads are not (in debian) linked to the VCS.
[07:37] <lifeless> jamesh: this is a problem.
[08:45] <SteveA> morning
[08:52] <lifeless> moin
[08:53] <smergler2> morning
[08:53] <smergler2> i got a question
[08:53] <smergler2> i got ubuntu cds from launchpad.. do they send out any other os?
[08:53] <SteveA> lifeless: is there a bzr-in-launchpad meeting with david today?
[08:53] <lifeless> SteveA: not with ddaa, hes on leave. I'd like to have one anyway but maybe a little later
[08:53] <SteveA> smergler2: shipit.ubuntu.com sends out only ubuntu cds
[08:54] <smergler2> so no debian, suse, etc, then?
[08:54] <lifeless> no
[08:54] <smergler2> ok.. just making sure
[08:54] <lifeless> look at the URL :) 
[08:55] <smergler2> well.. i see launchapd
[08:56] <smergler2> and i think maybe they have affiliations with other distros
[08:56] <lifeless> hmm, I thought shipit.ubuntu.com was branded clearly
[08:56] <lifeless> (yes, launchpad has affiliations with other distros)
[08:58] <smergler2> lifeless: ok.. well. is there a way to get cds from launchpad, not shipt.ubuntu.com, for other distros?
[08:58] <jamesh> smergler2: no.
[08:58] <smergler2> thank you
[08:59] <jamesh> smergler2: there are many places you can get Linux distro CDs at close to cost though.
[09:00] <lifeless> jamesh: I've just added a URLMapper facility to config manager
[09:00] <lifeless> jamesh: you might find that useful for the pending-reviews script
[09:00] <smergler2> yeh.. but see.. with launchpad.. i got the ubuntu cds for free.. and the other places ive seen .. you need to pay for the cds
[09:00] <lifeless> smergler2: lol. This is true :)
[09:00] <jamesh> smergler2: sounds like a good reason to use Ubuntu, if you ask me :)
[09:02] <smergler2> yes.. this is a good reason.. but i wanted to experiment with many linux distros.. so i can find the goods and bads of each.. and thus find my favorite
[09:02] <lifeless> smergler2: it'll be Ubuntu, I have faith.
[09:02] <jamesh> lifeless: cool.  The main features I need are (a) map "official" branch locations to local file system branches and (b) limit the branches the script will consider to those local branches.
[09:02] <lifeless> jamesh: well, pull the source, and propose or patch.
[09:03] <lifeless> I'm not sure that (b) fits. I'm sure that (a) is already implemented.
[09:03] <lifeless> (i.e. b might be local policy)
[09:04] <smergler2> lifeless: yes.. it prolly will be.... but i have friends who use a wide variety of distros, and i would atleast like to understand the differences between them all... 
[09:04] <smergler2> since i am breaking into the linux world
[09:04] <jamesh> lifeless: sure.  I wonder if the branch type abstraction in the pending-reviews script could be shared with config-manager?
[09:05] <jamesh> (even though it isn't used much for Launchpad now that we've fully switched to bzr)
[09:05] <SteveA> jamesh: i just replied to kiko's email about non-unique OOPS codes.
[09:05] <lifeless> jamesh: maybe. config-manager is working with 'implementations' in the near future
[09:05] <jamesh> smergler2: check if your ISP mirrors any of the distros you are interested in.  That can be a relatively quick way to get hold of them.
[09:06] <lifeless> jamesh: I'm not sure if it will need a branch abstraction or not, as its essentially just a fancy adapter
[09:06] <SteveA> i'm proposing to change OOPS code to include the day-of-month when displayed to the user, so like OOPS-19A186 for today's appserver A code 186
[09:06] <lifeless> that sounds good to me
[09:07] <jamesh> SteveA: sounds good to me.
[09:07] <lifeless> ok
[09:08] <lifeless> [location overrides] 
[09:08] <SteveA> i figure that a bug reported 30 days after it occurs isn't so useful
[09:08] <lifeless> /home/pqm/archives/rocketfuel=sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/rocketfuel
[09:08] <jamesh> SteveA: one thing that would be worth looking at is whether people are memorising the OOPS IDs or just copy/pasting them
[09:08] <lifeless> pqm should build trees in ~ 2 minutes now
[09:08] <lifeless> making merges 38 minutes faster
[09:08] <jamesh> SteveA: if they do the latter, then including the full date might not be too bad
[09:08] <SteveA> jamesh: i think the extra benefit to us of getting the full date is marginal, and the usability drops off sharply.
[09:09] <stub> What is the goal of adding the extra digits to the OOPS code?
[09:09] <jamesh> stub: making it unique for a given month, rather than unique for a given day
[09:10] <stub> I see.
[09:10] <SteveA> stub: we seem to get people reporting a bug not on the same day that the oops occurs
[09:10] <jamesh> SteveA: I'll look at pushing the change through with the next ErrorReportManagement merge
[09:10] <SteveA> which i find surprising
[09:11] <SteveA> i don't think an extra two digits, chunked appropriately, will make the oops codes much less usable though
[09:11] <SteveA> this will also make the "query oops codes" interface nicer
[09:12] <jamesh> where do we want that interface?
[09:12] <SteveA> assuming that in general, developers want to look up an oops code from this month
[09:12] <SteveA> i just have a few ideas at present
[09:12] <jamesh> (other than just using "ls YYYY-mm-dd/*.oopsid")
[09:13] <SteveA>  launchpad.net/+oops/code and launchpad.net/+oops/yyyy-mm-dd/code redirects to launchpad.net/+oops/yyyy-mm-dd/fullid  
[09:13] <SteveA> only for people in the launchpad developers team
[09:13] <SteveA> we can find oops codes on the FS quite quickly
[09:13] <lifeless> oh yeah baby
[09:13] <SteveA> days that aren't today can have an index cached
[09:13] <lifeless> right, location overrides are live on balleny
[09:13] <SteveA> so, it becomes either look in the index, or look in today
[09:14] <lifeless> builds should go *much* faster now.
[09:14] <SteveA> the index can be a .db file or something
[09:14] <SteveA> spiv: hello, around?
[09:15] <SteveA> then, we can have auto-linking for OOPS-xxxxxx in bugs on launchpad project products
[09:18] <SteveA> actually, just using find in production is pretty quick
[09:18] <SteveA> so no index is needed, particularly if we have the day-of-month in the oops code
[09:18] <SteveA> then even with a whole year of reports, we'll have just 12 places to look
[09:19] <jordi> lifeless: was sleeping when you replied. Thanks anyway
[09:19] <jordi> SteveA: got my request in your backlog last night?
[09:26] <carlos> morning
[09:26] <SteveA> jordi: ah, carlos is here!
[09:26] <SteveA> carlos: good morning
[09:26] <carlos> sorry for the delay... I was too tired yesterday night...
[09:27] <SteveA> there is no delay
[09:28] <carlos> SteveA, well, I was supposed to be here an hour ago....
[09:28] <carlos> SteveA, jordi what do you need?
[09:28] <jordi> ah, carlos.
[09:28] <jordi> 21:40 < jordi> SteveA, daf or any otrher: can you add simonep to the gnu-translators group in launchpad?
[09:29] <jordi> carlos: do we want to add individual translators to gnu-translators, or classify them by groups as in other translation groups?
[09:29] <jordi> gnu-translators can only be added if they have their translation disclaimer in the FSF's office
[09:29] <jordi> so it's a bit different
[09:30] <carlos> jordi, Then I suppose we should add them using the group clasification that GNU does
[09:32] <jordi> carlos: which group classification? That'd be language teams as always.
[09:32] <carlos> jordi, yeah, that's what I mean
[09:33] <carlos> jordi, using the list that gnu has instead what the users request
[09:33] <jordi> carlos: we can't add all the translators listed in the TP
[09:33] <carlos> so we are sure that they sent the copyright paper
[09:33] <jordi> I'd only add as they request it. Right now, it's only for mailman.
[09:33] <carlos> jordi, no, but we can add the ones that request it
[09:33] <carlos> right
[09:34] <jordi> as they request it, and we check they have their disclaimer in place.
[09:34] <carlos> go go go!!
[09:34] <carlos> ;-)
[09:35] <jordi> ok. go go go, because I can't do it :P
[09:36] <carlos> do you have only one translator to add?
[09:36] <carlos> jordi, also, I need to know the language team simonep belongs
[09:37] <jordi> so simone piunno should be assigned for Italian in this group
[09:37] <carlos> ok
[09:37] <jordi> carlos: for now, yes.
[09:39] <sivang> morning all
[09:41] <carlos> sivang, morning!!
[09:42] <sivang> carlos: Hola! How are you? 
[09:42] <carlos> sivang, fine, thanks!
[09:42] <carlos> and you?
[09:43] <carlos> jordi, I will set you as the owner of the team until the right owner of the team request us to join it, is that ok?
[09:45] <jordi> carlos: grumble, but ok
[09:45] <sivang> carlos: fine mostly, trying to pass another day at work ;-)
[09:46] <jordi> carlos: marco d'itri won't join the team I guess :)
[09:46] <carlos> jordi, does the 'dk' language exists? -> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-dk
[09:46] <carlos> sivang, :-D
[09:46] <jordi> DK?! that would be Denmark, not Danish
[09:46] <jordi> that's a mistake I assume
[09:46] <carlos> jordi, we don't have it as a team
[09:46] <carlos> but someone created it
[09:47] <jordi> sigh.
[09:47] <jordi> dk is not a language.
[09:48] <carlos> jordi, well, the team is useless as we don't have it assigned to any language...
[09:48] <niemeyer> Morrrrning frrrriends
[09:48] <jordi> who created it? He should be clued.
[09:48] <carlos> jordi, btw, should I add the same description we added the the gnu translation group to the per language teams?
[09:48] <niemeyer> SteveA: Ping
[09:48] <jordi> niemeyer: isn't it way too early, my friend?
[09:48] <jordi> carlos: yeah.
[09:48] <carlos> jordi, ok
[09:49] <niemeyer> jordi: Life is short
[09:49] <niemeyer> :)
[09:49] <jordi> carlos: I should file a bug to make lp allow link tags in descriptions
[09:49] <SteveA> hi niemeyer 
[09:49] <niemeyer> SteveA: Can you please give me access to the bug 3989?
[09:49] <Ubugtu> Error: I cannot access this bug
[09:49] <niemeyer> Ubugtu: Me neither
[09:49] <SteveA> niemeyer: you should be on the launchpad team that can see private launchpad bugs
[09:50] <SteveA> hmm
[09:50] <carlos> jordi, yeah
[09:50] <niemeyer> SteveA: Looks like I'm not :(
[09:50] <niemeyer> And neither is my friend Ubugtu ;)
[09:50] <SteveA> actually, there isn't a concept in malone for this i think
[09:51] <SteveA> how strange
[09:51] <SteveA> it is assigned to you
[09:51] <SteveA> yet you say you cannot see it
[09:51] <carlos> jordi, please, add yourself the new member: https://launchpad.net/people/gnu-l10n-it
[09:51] <SteveA> niemeyer: i'll add you to the launchpad developers' team.
[09:52] <SteveA> that team is a subscriber to that bug
[09:52] <SteveA> however, i'm a little confused that the assignee can't see a private bug unless they're explicitly subscribed to it
[09:53] <niemeyer> SteveA: Uh, that's strange indeed
[09:53] <SteveA> can you see that bug now?
[09:54] <niemeyer> *slowly*
[09:56] <niemeyer> Timed out.. :/
[10:00] <niemeyer> Again.. there's something wrong.
[10:00] <niemeyer> Ahh.. it works
[10:00] <niemeyer> SteveA: Thanks!
[10:09] <jordi> woo
[10:09] <jordi> the UPS in the office blew up
[10:09] <jordi> it's safer to plug into the non-UPSd plugs lately..
[10:20] <niemeyer> SteveA: I've attached a doctest to the issue, and a rough explanation of what's going on. If you belive there's someone who could look into it soon, please reassign the issue. Otherwise I'll look into it when I get some time.
[10:29] <stub> lifeless: Is that sftp:// rewrite stuff a config manager feature, a pqm feature or a bzr feature?
[10:30] <stub> If config-manager or bzr, how do I enable it? I'm building a tree on chinstrap for production gina
[10:49] <stub> (15:13:07) Steve Alexander:  launchpad.net/+oops/code and launchpad.net/+oops/yyyy-mm-dd/code redirects to launchpad.net/+oops/yyyy-mm-dd/fullid  
[10:50] <stub> SteveA: We can't do that because the OOPS filestores are not necessarily shared between launchpad instances
[10:51] <stub> SteveA: Once we have multiple servers running launchpad, they will only be merged when synced to chinstrap or wherever
[10:51] <jamesh> stub: would it make sense to cross sync between the app server instances?
[10:51] <jamesh> stub: none of the app servers should generate conflicting file names
[10:52] <stub> jamesh: We don't want the app servers to be able to write to their brethren
[10:53] <jamesh> stub: would it be easy to provide a shared read-only location they could read the aggregated error reports from?
[10:53] <jamesh> e.g. a read-only NFS mount?
[10:54] <lifeless> stub: its a config-manager feature, only accessible via the library at this point
[10:55] <stub> I doubt it would be easy - there is nothing like that running on the lan at the moment. I don't think we should spend elmo's time on it either, as it is really just a convenience for developers and could be replaced with a small shell script that sshes to chinstrap
[10:55] <lifeless> stub: If you are using python, its easy - just pass Config a config_manager.URLMapper
[10:55] <lifeless> mapper = config_manager.URLMapper()
[10:55] <lifeless> mapper.add_map("sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com", "")
[10:55] <stub> lifeless: Hacking the config file is easier than rewriting config manager
[10:56] <stub> oh... I see. 
[10:56] <lifeless> stub: I ran out of inspiration for how to present this to the UI
[10:56] <jamesh> lifeless: my branch just failed to merge with a bunch of database errors
[10:56] <stub> Yes - I can do that if I update the rollout/refuel scripts
[10:56] <lifeless> so I didn't do that last step 
[10:56] <jamesh> lifeless: do you want me to forward you the failure report?
[10:56] <lifeless> jamesh: PQM is merging stuff ok
[10:57] <lifeless> jamesh: so, I'd suspect your merge first - i.e. the lp mailing list is a good place to get feedback
[10:57] <jamesh> FATAL:  database "launchpad_ftest" does not exist
[10:57] <carlos> lifeless, stub I get a "/bin/sh: -c: line 7: syntax error: unexpected end of file" when I try to execute 'make check' after a merge with latest rocketfuel version...
[10:57] <lifeless> jamesh: the database is created from launchpad_ftest_template at test time
[10:58] <jamesh> lifeless: is it possible that two merges were being processed at once?
[10:58] <carlos> seems like the problem comes from the 'sourcecode' directory
[10:58] <lifeless> stub: config = config_manager.Config(fromStream = open('config_path', 'r'), override_mapper = mapper)
[10:58] <lifeless> stub: config.build(output_path)
[10:58] <lifeless> stub: done
[10:58] <lifeless> jamesh: no
[10:58] <lifeless> jamesh: pqm has a lock facility, and that is working ;)
[10:59] <lifeless> stub: if you can give me some talk time later or tomorrow I'll see about end user UI for the URLMapper stuff
[11:00] <lifeless> right now, dinner
[11:00] <stub> carlos: I expect you have messed your tree somehow - I don't think anyone has changed any of the external products recently
[11:00] <lifeless> stub: not in the last few days anyway
[11:00] <jamesh> lifeless: there are errors related to not finding spawned subprocesses, which would be consistent with pid files getting overwritten
[11:00] <lifeless> carlos: did you add the new dependencies ?
[11:00] <carlos> stub, the problem is the Makefile not a subtree
[11:01] <lifeless> jamesh: I've checked the log, there was no concurrency
[11:01] <carlos> anyway, I'm updating all that tree just in case it got corrupted...
[11:01] <jamesh> lifeless: okay.  I'll give it another go
[11:01] <lifeless> gmm
[11:01] <lifeless> we have a stale 'portforward.tap' process
[11:01] <carlos> lifeless, hmmmm, when was it added?
[11:01] <lifeless> is that what you saw
[11:01] <lifeless> carlos: week or so ago
[11:01] <jamesh> that'd be it
[11:01] <carlos> lifeless, yes, I did
[11:02] <carlos> hmm, or I think I did it....
[11:02] <carlos> let me check
[11:02] <lifeless> jamesh: well I'll kill that off :)
[11:02] <jamesh> thanks
[11:03] <daf> back later
[11:03] <carlos> lifeless, well, I got it, yes, I use rsync to get a local mirror of latest trees and then I do a rsync of the sourcecode directory
[11:03] <carlos> daf, see you later
[11:08] <carlos> lifeless, stub you are missing a ';' there
[11:08] <carlos> on the build rule
[11:08] <stub> build is working here...
[11:08] <carlos> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filephk5Rz.html
[11:10] <stub> No ';' here and it works.
[11:10] <carlos> it does not work here
[11:10] <carlos> using dapper
[11:10] <carlos> perhaps is a new 'feature'...
[11:11] <stub> Possibly. 
[11:11] <carlos> I suppose it works for you with the ';' right?
[11:11] <stub> I have not idea which is 'correct'
[11:11] <stub> Yes
[11:11] <stub> Commit it as trivial
[11:11] <carlos> ok
[11:24] <jamesh> stub: make sends the command to the shell as a single line (note that the newlines are backslash-escaped), so the semi-colons are necessary
[11:28] <SteveA> stub: you're right
[12:10] <lucasvo> how comes that one is able to post one bug twice?
[12:11] <lucasvo> is there any possibility that it posts it twice if you reload the page after posting?
[12:12] <lucasvo> bug #5831 
[12:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5831: New CSS design places long lines in the content over the right column In: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Matthew Paul Thomas, Status: Accepted https://launchpad.net/bugs/5831
[12:12] <lucasvo> bug #5829
[12:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5829: New CSS design places long lines in the content over the right column In: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5829
[12:15] <_roman> Hi, sorry for the lengthy post: I had problems with the kttsd package in KDE 3.5? English works, Czech is dysfunctional. I've filed a bug at KDE, but it seems it's specifically the kubuntu package... I looked at bugs at Ubuntu bugzilla, and in one the reporter was told to file a bug at lauchpad, When I tried, it does not accept kttsd as avalid package name. what should I do?
[12:18] <matsubara> good morning!
[12:20] <gneuman> mornig
[12:37] <carlos> _roman, is it in main?
[12:39] <_roman> carlos: According to synaptic, it's from main. the packages come from kubuntu.org sources.
[12:39] <carlos> hmm, dapper has it on universe 
[12:40] <carlos> _roman, anyway, if breezy has it on main, you should use bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:40] <carlos> the bugs for main packages still need to be moved to launchpad
[12:40] <_roman> carlos: Thanks, I have just registered and will do.
[12:40] <carlos> _roman, ok
[12:43] <daf> spiv: around?
[12:45] <_roman> carlos: well, again - it does not accept kttsd as a package name, it's not on the list..
[12:47] <carlos> _roman, hmm, then, I don't think it's a main package....
[12:47] <carlos> _roman, in fact.. it's not at main: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kttsd&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[12:49] <_roman> carlos: so where shall I go now?
[12:49] <carlos> SteveA, stub, Kinnison: Do we have a procedure to create missing sourcepackagename ?
[12:50] <carlos> _roman, universe -> launchpad
[12:50] <carlos> _roman, but we are missing that package
[12:50] <carlos> let me see if we can create it now
[12:50] <stub> carlos: I insert them manually. Or wait until the production Gina run, which should start tonight with luck.
[12:51] <carlos> stub, I just remembered the web UI we have to add them
[12:51] <carlos> stub, so don't worry, I will handle it
[12:51] <carlos> oh!
[12:51] <carlos> gina run on production tonight!!
[12:51] <mpt_> Goooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders
[12:51] <carlos> cool
[12:51] <carlos> mpt_, morning!
[12:51] <_roman> carlos: I am trying the launchpad bugzilla with package kdeaccessibility...
[12:52] <daf> mpt_: yo yo yo
[12:52] <carlos> _roman, that package is from universe too
[12:53] <carlos> _roman, and it's available from launchpad
[12:53] <daf> mpt_:  Bug #687 in launchpad (upstream): "ProductReleaseVocabulary doesn't sort correctly"
[12:53] <Ubugtu> Error: I cannot access this bug
[12:53] <daf> mpt_: I think the quotes are ugly here, what do you think?
[12:53] <daf> mpt_: I also suspect that the "in launchpad (upstream)" is superfluous
[12:53] <carlos> _roman, so please, use https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[12:54] <mpt> hurrah
[12:55] <mpt> daf, I think the quotes are fine, and a useful way of saying "it's not Launchpad saying this, it's someone else"
[12:55] <daf> blergh
[12:55] <mpt> but the " (upstream)" is possibly superfluous
[12:55] <_roman> carlos: thanks, it's there. the trick was that it requires kdeaccessibility and not kttsd...
[12:55] <mpt> It depends on the context
[12:56] <daf> well, it lists what it's filed against just below
[12:56] <mpt> what does?
[12:56] <mpt> I was just about to say, what you wrote is good as a <title>
[12:56] <daf> re quotes: it makes me think "Launchpad doesn't trust the person who filed the bug"
[12:56] <mpt> not so good as a header
[12:56] <mpt> that's the idea
[12:56] <carlos> _roman, the bugs are for the sourcepackage not the binary package
[12:56] <daf> there's no quotes in the title
[12:56] <mpt> There are in my branch :-)
[12:57] <daf> "Bug #1194 in launchpad (upstream) - menu system doesn't allow absolute URLs"
[12:57] <Ubugtu> Error: I cannot access this bug
[12:57] <daf> bah!
[12:57] <daf> well, some bug titles have quotes in them
[12:57] <daf> so that looks super-ugly
[12:57] <mpt> agreed
[12:59] <daf> hmm is there a way to search for bugs I've filed?
[01:00] <jordi> daf: you get a list of your filed bugs in your profile, don't you?
[01:00] <daf> Bugzilla has a nice "my bugs" search link
[01:00] <daf> jordi: only bugs assigned to me
[01:02] <jordi> https://launchpad.net/people/daf/+reportedbugs
[01:02] <daf> aha
[01:03] <daf> mpt: e.g. bug 5411, and to a lesser extent bug 5780
[01:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5411: "list all packages" times out In: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5411
[01:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5780: 'bzr diff' fails, apparently due to a file being replaced with a symlink In: bzr (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5780
[01:06] <lifeless> carlos: that looks like a regressionin your shell
[01:07] <carlos> lifeless, did you see jamesh's answer about it?
[01:08] <lifeless> carlos: yes.
[01:08] <lifeless> carlos: thats been unchanged for most of a year. Either your make, or your shell, has changed its behaviour
[01:08] <carlos> lifeless, I'm using dapper so that's an option
[01:08] <carlos> yes
[01:09] <carlos> but when I see the Makefile I feel like the ';' is missing
[01:09] <carlos> perhaps the make or shell was not following the rules at 100%
[01:09] <carlos> and now they are...
[01:09] <cprov> morning guys
[01:10] <carlos> lifeless, stub confirmed me that it works in his machine with and without it
[01:10] <jordi> carlos: there are a few rosetta-users posts that I'd like you to answer instead
[01:10] <lifeless> carlos: yes. the ; is not incorrect
[01:10] <jordi> Subject: Launchpad wish
[01:11] <carlos> jordi, ok, will take a look now
[01:12] <carlos> lifeless, in fact the check rule has it so I suppose it's ok if we add it too for the build...
[01:12] <carlos> lifeless, anyway, I suppose you want that I file a bug report for dapper, right?
[01:12] <lifeless> carlos: might be an idea :)
[01:13] <lifeless> SteveA: can we talk tomorrow, I'm really tired.
[01:13] <jordi> carlos: the other is Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:08:41 +0000
[01:13] <jordi> carlos: from Tim morley
[01:14] <lifeless> mpt: ping
[01:14] <carlos> jordi, ok
[01:15] <lifeless> mpt: is mpt@canonical.com/launchpad--menus--0509 in the pending reviews page at all relevant ?
[01:17] <daf> BjornT: I've just noticed one case of somebody using the status notes field for something which should be a comment
[01:18] <BjornT> daf: there are many cases like that :) there's a plan to address it, though, https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/BugStatusChangesAsComments
[01:20] <daf> groovy
[01:20] <daf> just checking you knew about it
[01:20] <lifeless> night all
[01:20] <daf> night Rob
[01:30] <mpt> lifeless, it's not very important, but it fixes a couple of bugs
[01:30] <mpt> is pqm off chinstrap yet?
[01:31] <daf> yes
[01:31] <daf> according to Rob on the mailing list
[01:32] <daf> BjornT: I find myself wanting to be able to categorise bugs: "this is a menu system bug, this is a spec system bug, this is a login bug, this is a UI bug"
[01:34] <BjornT> daf: maybe https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/SimpleBugKeywords will do?
[01:34] <daf> BjornT: yay!
[01:35] <daf> jordi: maybe you can deal with https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/1297?
[01:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #1297: Translations on 5.04 and 5.10 In: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297
[01:42] <daf> posterity
[01:42] <sivang> mpt: it also has cached version of my personal page in LP before I changed it, which no longer exists for ages
[01:42] <mpt> I guess Launchpad is both vast and unpopular, so updating its index is low-priority
[01:43] <daf> Launchpad's googlosity seems to be on the up, though
[01:43] <LarstiQ> finding ui strings and all that
[01:44] <daf> I think the bits of LaunchpadGooglification that we've done have helped that
[01:44] <SteveA> lifeless: sure, tomorrow is fine
[01:46] <mpt> http://flickr.com/photos/foolswisdom/68226692/in/dateposted/
[01:47] <daf> ??
[01:48] <mpt> Why would people post photos of Launchpad on flickr?
[01:48] <mpt> I don't get it
[01:49] <daf> they're not photos, they're screenshots
[01:50] <BjornT> hmm, is pqm looping? it seems to have processed the same merge request 6 times in a row.
[01:54] <SteveA> mpt: i'm about to get some lunch.  can we talk a bit later to catch up with ui plans?
[01:59] <carlos> jordi, mails answered
[02:00] <jordi> carlos: thanks mate
[02:00] <jordi> is kiko on vacation already?
[02:00] <carlos> jordi, I think so, yes
[02:00] <daf> jordi: did you see that bug I asked you about?
[02:01] <carlos> jordi, Is EasyUbuntu something executed outside Ubuntu?
[02:01] <SteveA> kiko should be around today
[02:01] <SteveA> and on vacation from tomorrow
[02:02] <jordi> daf: please remind me?
[02:02] <carlos> jordi, if it's Ubuntu specific and included as part of the Ubuntu distribution... we should not import it as a product
[02:02] <jordi> carlos: I think it's an independent project.
[02:02] <carlos> ok
[02:02] <jordi> hosted at lp
[02:02] <mpt> SteveA, sure
[02:03] <daf> 12:35:27 <daf> jordi: maybe you can deal with
[02:03] <daf>                https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/1297?
[02:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #1297: Translations on 5.04 and 5.10 In: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297
[02:03] <mpt> carlos, jordi, there are a bunch of unanswered questions on the Rosetta list going back a few weeks, from various people wanting to use Rosetta
[02:03] <mpt> I'd reply but I don't know the answers :-)
[02:04] <jordi> daf: I wonder how to do this though.
[02:04] <daf> jordi: well, it's a user question type issue
[02:04] <daf> jordi: treat it like an email to the list
[02:04] <daf> hmm, interesting idea
[02:04] <rejden> re
[02:04] <jordi> I wonder about how to transfer the translations
[02:04] <daf> worth a try, I think
[02:05] <daf> jordi: I'm not sure what the reporter means -- ask Carlos
[02:05] <rejden> it's possible to use launchpad for translating other software? for example openoffice.org localization..
[02:06] <jordi> daf: paul translates xchat in hoary and breezy
[02:06] <jordi> for some reason, the dapper xchat appers untranslated, and people start translating again
[02:06] <carlos> jordi, daf Mark asked me to develop a script  to do that
[02:06] <jordi> the breezy translation should have moved to dapper
[02:06] <jordi> nod
[02:06] <carlos> jordi, daf I will do that soon
[02:07] <jordi> cool
[02:07] <daf> so you're on to it
[02:07] <daf> maybe add a comment to the bug saying so?
[02:07] <daf> and change the status to Accepted
[02:07] <carlos> daf, sure
[02:07] <carlos> I didn't see it 
[02:07] <daf> thanks
[02:07] <jordi> mpt: you mean something like
[02:07] <jordi> Subject: postgresql 8.0 .pot and .po files ready for upload
[02:07] <daf> carlos: no worries
[02:08] <jordi> these are bogus, I need to reply in a batch because they can't be imported so happily
[02:10] <carlos> daf, done
[02:10] <daf> great
[02:12] <daf> BjornT: is the assignee of a bug implicitly subscribed?
[02:13] <mpt> jordi, perhaps at least give a preliminary reply within a few days saying what the delay is
[02:14] <daf> set up a mutt macro if you have to :)
[02:14] <BjornT> daf: yes
[02:15] <daf> BjornT: ok, it wasn't clear to me
[02:16] <jordi> mpt: yeah, I'll try to do this in the evening
[02:16] <daf> BjornT: that's what I hoped you'd say, though
[02:18] <BjornT> daf: yeah, i think the assignee should show up as subscribed to the bug. i'll check if one of brad's patches fixes that, otherwise i'll file a bug about it.
[02:19] <mpt> thanks jordi 
[02:19] <daf> BjornT: great, thanks
[02:30] <daf> SteveA: could you take a look at bug 2225?
[02:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #2225: Re: warning from test suite to do with canonical.encoding.guess In: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/2225
[02:34] <SteveA> daf: it should be changed to a TypeError.
[02:34] <daf> thanks
[02:39] <daf> SteveA: bug 3942 could use some input
[02:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #3942: Present search results instead of NotFound pages In: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Wishlist, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/3942
[02:39] <bet0x> Hello All
[02:40] <bet0x> How can join to a Team in LaunchPad
[02:40] <bet0x> IE im translator from argentina
[02:40] <jordi> bet0x: do you want to join the Spanish team?
[02:40] <bet0x> yes
[02:40] <jordi> Have you requested to join the ubuntu-l10n-es team in Launchpad?
[02:41] <bet0x> im from argentina, and my language have a lot of missed translations, and problems, i want help
[02:41] <bet0x> how i request that?
[02:41] <jordi> do you hjave a launchpad account?
[02:41] <bet0x> yes
[02:41] <jordi> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-es
[02:41] <jordi> go here
[02:42] <jordi> and click on "Join the team at the right"
[02:42] <bet0x> done
[02:43] <jordi> ok. You should be accepted soon.
[02:43] <jordi> by one of the team leaders
[02:43] <jordi> You also should subscribe to the translation mailing list, uubntu-es-l10n
[02:44] <bet0x> done, confirmed
[02:44] <bet0x> :D
[02:45] <jordi> great :)
[02:45] <jordi> That's all then!
[02:45] <bet0x> you speak spanish?
[02:45] <jordi> yes
[02:46] <jordi> I am from Spain
[02:46] <bet0x> im from Argentina
[02:46] <bet0x> Ubuntu have a spanish channel here, #Ubuntu-es right?
[02:46] <bet0x> its official?
[02:46] <jordi> yes
[02:48] <jordi> not sure.
[02:49] <daf> SteveA: would it be feasible to automatically work out which database classes don't have the declarations used by canonical_url?
[02:51] <SteveA> daf: bug 3942 is wishlist.
[02:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #3942: Present search results instead of NotFound pages In: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Wishlist, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/3942
[02:51] <SteveA> so, it is correctly classified
[02:51] <SteveA> we'll wait until we have some NotFound page analysis
[02:51] <SteveA> and base any fancy not found page implementation on that analysis of error logs
[02:52] <SteveA> daf: kind of feasible
[02:52] <SteveA> daf: why?
[02:53] <SteveA> i need to make Navigation handle canonical url calculations, rather than the current zcml stuff.
[02:54] <SteveA> on bug 2140
[02:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #2140: underlining every link in portlets is ugly In: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Steve Alexander, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/2140
[02:54] <SteveA> here's the way we should do this now:
[02:54] <SteveA>  - links in the main area of the page should be underlined, unless they are part of some special "widget".
[02:55] <SteveA>  - special widgets are handled on a case-by-case basis
[02:55] <SteveA>  - links in boxes (aka "portlets") are underlined when they are part of narrative text
[02:56] <SteveA>  - links in boxes are not underlined when they are in a list or table
[02:56] <daf> why are you telling me this on IRC?
[02:56] <SteveA> because a bug, or several bugs, is not the right place to document this
[02:57] <SteveA> and i'm hoping mpt will offer a clarification / opinion for launchpad
[02:57] <daf> ok
[02:57] <daf> ah, I see
[02:57] <SteveA> and that this will go on to form part of the UI guidelines on the wiki
[02:57] <daf> in that case, please email me
[02:59] <SteveA> i'm goingn to mark 2140 as fixed
[03:00] <daf> re canonical_url stuff, we have a bug open that says that Soyuz entities don't have canonical URLs
[03:00] <daf> I fixed at least some of this some time ago
[03:01] <daf> I was wondering if there is a way to check if it has been fixed other than looking through the code manually
[03:02] <daf> it would be nice if the tests failed if there was missing URL information
[03:03] <SteveA> daf: adding a test case to canonical_url_examples.txt is the canonical way to do it
[03:03] <stub> bug 2162 has nothing to do with login - it is just a caching issue
[03:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #2162: front page cached In: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Stuart Bishop, Status: Accepted https://launchpad.net/bugs/2162
[03:04] <SteveA> this can be refactored sometime to test Navigation setup for various classes, i guess. haven't given that particular thought though
[03:04] <daf> SteveA: that will indicate if a particular class has working URL info, but not if a class is missing it
[03:05] <daf> stub: in that case, feel free to unassign yourself
[03:05] <daf> stub: it must be a HTTP header thing
[03:05] <stub> I can still look at it
[03:06] <daf> ah, great
[03:06] <mpt> SteveA, I don't really want to get into link underlining, because wanting to deunderline them is a symptom of other problems, and each time I have an opinion I get overruled :-)
[03:07] <daf> "other problems"?
[03:07] <mpt> i.e. the existence of portlets
[03:07] <daf> ah
[03:07] <mpt> and menus in particular
[03:09] <SteveA> mpt: so, we'll go with the guidelines i posted right now.  and look to a bright future of fewer boxy things sometime later.
[03:09] <mpt> yes
[03:09] <SteveA> mpt: would you document these guidelines in the UI portion of the wiki somewhere?
[03:09] <mpt> ok
[03:10] <SteveA> ta
[03:10] <daf> I'm probably going to be working on that area soon, so if mpt hasn't done it by then, I can do it
[03:11] <daf> (I'm aware that I've assigned many bugs to mpt recently)
[03:14] <mpt> https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/VisualDesign
[03:14] <mpt> currently there isn't a "UI portion of the wiki", but I can make one
[03:18] <daf> I was planning to move UI-related things in the HackingFAQ onto their own page
[03:18] <daf> and rewrite it as a set of guidelines rather than Q+A
[03:20] <mpt> daf, have you seen https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/PageTemplateHacking ?
[03:20] <daf> if I have, I'd forgotten about it
[03:20] <daf> thanks for pointing it out
[03:21] <daf> I think expanding that would work well for what I have in mind
[03:24] <daf> I'm envisioning ending up with four or five different pages: PythonStyleGuide, UI hacking, DB hacking, etc.
[03:25] <mpt> I wholeheartedly approve of using a guideline format rather than a Q&A format
[03:25] <mpt> most of those Qs were never FA
[03:25] <daf> I'm glad you say so
[03:26] <SteveA> it is however easier to contribute to a QA
[03:26] <daf> perhaps it can work like the BzrPriorities page
[03:26] <SteveA> so, unless we have an active maintainer, a QA section is more useful
[03:26] <daf> people add questions, and they get answered and folded into the document later
[03:26] <SteveA> also, a "pending items" section is useful
[03:26] <daf> yes
[03:26] <SteveA> so that notes can be made at low cost
[03:26] <SteveA> yes
[03:26] <SteveA> otherwise, such notes won't be made
[03:27] <daf> so, something like the dicussion bit at the bottom of specs
[03:27] <SteveA> i'd like an irc bot, where i can say
[03:27] <SteveA> docbot, note this:
[03:27] <SteveA>  - stuff
[03:27] <SteveA>  - stuff
[03:27] <SteveA> docbot, this was about URLs and UI
[03:27] <SteveA> and it gets added to that page
[03:27] <daf> that sounds feasible
[03:27] <SteveA> total "wishlist" though
[03:27] <daf> indeed
[03:27] <daf> dilys 1.0
[03:28] <SteveA> it is easy enough to go edit a page, really
[03:28] <daf> or 2.0 or 3000
[03:28] <mpt> "docbot, remember my last 6 lines in FooBarNotes"
[03:28] <daf> I've thought that a meetingbot might be useful
[03:28] <mpt> (because you're not likely to realize that something needs recording on the wiki until you're well into describing it)
[03:29] <daf> keeping track of who's present, who's sent apologies, logging the meeting, etc.
[03:29] <daf> but again, not really a priority
[03:29] <SteveA> a meeting bot is something i've wanted for a while
[03:29] <SteveA> as it would make keeping good summaries easier
[03:29] <SteveA> particularly if it understood the three sentences
[03:30] <daf> yes, quite
[03:30] <SteveA> and the areas people usually work in
[03:30] <SteveA> and activity report assessments
[03:30] <SteveA> gustavo pointed to some stuff he's done on irc bots
[03:30] <daf> it could even look at the activity list archves and check
[03:31] <daf> oh yes?
[03:31] <SteveA> well, the idea of the activity reporting is that it is people reporting it
[03:31] <SteveA> if people volunteer the information themselves, they become more motivated to improve the situation
[03:31] <SteveA> than if some robot announces things
[03:32] <SteveA> it's also about taking pride in saying "yes, i did it right"
[03:32] <daf> good point
[03:32] <SteveA> a script cannot replace this
[03:36] <SteveA> kiko!
[03:38] <kiko> heya SteveA 
[03:39] <kiko> SteveA, do you want that phone call now or in a few hours?
[03:39] <kiko> and do I need to be in front of a computer?
[03:39] <daf> kiko!
[03:39] <SteveA> i just had lunch.  i'll be walking home in a short while
[03:40] <daf> I think you'll find you have a pile of mail from me
[03:40] <SteveA> so, not right now, but either in 45 mins, say, or later is okay
[03:40] <kiko> do I need to be in front of a computer?
[03:41] <daf> kiko: are you on vacation yet?
[03:41] <kiko> yes
[03:41] <daf> ok
[03:41] <kiko> SteveA?
[03:42] <SteveA> ok
[04:09] <daf> 199 untriaged bugs on the product, 199 untriaged bugs
[04:09] <daf> take one down, triage it around, 198 untriaged bugs on the product
[04:20] <carlos> daf, ;-)
[04:44] <mpt> SteveA, was there a usability reason for "You have been logged in"?
[04:44] <mpt> the notification, I mean
[04:47] <lbm> !seen stub
[04:48] <lbm> :/
[04:48] <SteveA> mpt: i think stu added it as a simple demonstration of browser notification.
[04:48] <SteveA> mpt: is there a usability reason for it?
[04:49] <mpt> Well, I guess all pages should be visually different when you're logged in
[04:50] <mpt> not just the first page
[04:50] <SteveA> they are -- subtley in the top right
[04:50] <mpt> yes
[04:50] <SteveA> is that enough?
[04:50] <SteveA> does the message have have currently cause problems?
[04:51] <mpt> no more than any of the other boxes on the page
[04:51] <mpt> it's just unnecessary, IMO
[04:52] <mpt> if people need greater clues that they're logged in, that should be part of main-template.pt so it can work for every page
[04:53] <stub> I'm not particularly attached to it. I mainly did it because at the time some of the login sequence notifications were plain wrong and it was a good test of the new framework.
[04:55] <mpt> ok, I'll take it out
[04:55] <mpt> I'll leave in the one for logging out
[04:59] <carlos> wow, TranslationUploads was merged, finally!!!!!
[04:59] <carlos> after more than three weeks!
[05:01] <carlos> jordi, next production upload will have the new code to handle uploads
[05:02] <SteveA> mpt: sounds good
[05:26] <kiko-afk> SteveA
[05:27] <kiko-afk> phone call?
[05:27] <SteveA> skype?
[05:27] <kiko-afk> can't
[05:27] <kiko-afk> laptop is packed away
[05:28] <SteveA> okay.  i'll find my POTS gear
[05:28] <kiko-afk> cool
[05:28] <kiko-afk> can I be off-irc?
[05:28] <SteveA> k
[05:28] <SteveA> mobile?
[05:28] <SteveA> office?
[05:29] <kiko-afk> mobile
[05:29] <kiko-afk>  h 0 min	(12:35-12:35)	I'M ON VACATION
[05:29] <kiko-afk> 0 h 7 min	(12:35-12:42)	resting
[05:29] <kiko-afk> 1 h 47 min	(12:42-14:29)	going to the beach
[05:39] <jordi> ffs
[05:39] <jordi> I can't believe I missed kiko by 9 minutes
[06:00] <SteveA> jordi: what's up?
[06:00] <SteveA> while kiko is away, i'm the stand-in-kiko
[06:03] <jordi> SteveA: he needed to talk to me regarding reviews on friday
[06:03] <jordi> but I ws going out the door at the time
[06:03] <jordi> SteveA: my adsl link here is totally weak
[06:03] <jordi> it will go down in any moment and takes 5 miutes to come back or so
[06:03] <jordi> </disclaimer)
[06:04] <jordi> hmm, badly closed xml tags
[06:06] <SteveA> jordi: i am privmessaging you
[06:09] <SteveA> cprov: hello
[06:10] <SteveA> cprov: kiko asked me to sort some stuff out with the admins for you
[06:10] <cprov> SteveA: hi
[06:11] <cprov> SteveA: yes, I'll appreciate your help for arranging a "copy" of dapper uploads as we have for breezy-autotest
[06:11] <cprov> SteveA: it was done by elmo 
[06:12] <SteveA> cprov: i'll be glad to help, but first i must understand what you're asking
[06:12] <SteveA> i was not involved in this much, so i don't understand what needs doing
[06:13] <cprov> SteveA: as i said, we need that kind of "copy" of the packages uploads done in dapper 
[06:13] <SteveA> you need a copy of some files from one machine to another?
[06:13] <cprov> SteveA: IIRC, it was regenerated from dak and stored in a DC machine
[06:14] <SteveA> cprov: can you explain what you need in terms of what needs copying from where to where? 
[06:14] <cprov> SteveA: no really, someone needs to regenerate that files from dak and grant access via anonymous rsync from mawson
[06:14] <SteveA> ook
[06:14] <SteveA> what are the steps, if you were to lay the task out as simple steps
[06:17] <cprov> SteveA: 1 - regenerate dapper uploads from dak (trivial for who manage dak, I can't specify it properly), 2 - grant anonymous rsync access to the results directory from mawson 
[06:17] <cprov> SteveA:  the obscure part (1) could be better sorted if we have elmo available
[06:18] <cprov> SteveA: it may not require regeneration, since dapper still in development, in this case a simple copy of the current uploads would solve
[06:18] <SteveA> the data is on mawson
[06:18] <SteveA> or at least will be
[06:18] <SteveA> is that right?
[06:19] <SteveA> or you mean, the data will go to mawson
[06:19] <SteveA> i think you mean the latter
[06:19] <cprov> SteveA: no it canbe collected via rsync from another machine in the DC, for breezy-autotes we used rockhopper
[06:20] <cprov> SteveA: the best is : the result data must be accessible from mawson via rsync
[06:20] <SteveA> cprov: okay.  can you write this as clearly as possible into an email to RT?
[06:20] <cprov> SteveA:  that's how the uploader-test works atm
[06:21] <cprov> SteveA:  sure, RT comming
[06:32] <cprov> SteveA: ticket # 1310, hope you got email too
[06:49] <bet0x> jordi, Im a New Spanish Translator
[06:49] <bet0x> Viva Ubuntu, viva!
[06:49] <bet0x> :p
[06:52] <SteveA> cprov: i did not
[06:55] <cprov> SteveA:  bad bad, I don't have permission to set a new CC neither AdminCC, so I'm orphan, did the forward by hand :(
[06:56] <Znarl> SteveA : I'll add you to #1310
[06:57] <SteveA> Znarl: i just did,
[06:58] <SteveA> but thanks anyway
[06:59] <SteveA> actually, you beat me to it in the form
[06:59] <SteveA> i need more RT-fu
[08:23] <jordi> me, using OpenOffice.org. This is bad.
[08:24] <mpt> heh
[08:25] <sivang> jordi: what do you usually use instead?
[08:25] <mpt> home time for me
[08:29] <jordi> sivang: vim I guess
[08:29] <sivang> jordi: and probably some emacs as well ;-)
[08:35] <jordi> when the file ends with .po :)
[08:37] <sivang> jordi: hehe
[09:07] <jordi> SteveA, carlos: ok, first step of my survey is disappointing.
[09:08] <jordi> the plone guys never started to work on plone seriously because they lack permissions to manage their translator group, or to move some of their products to the "Plone" project.
[09:08] <sivang> jordi: someone tried to join the translator group, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-he/+members/linux-g-flame
[09:09] <sivang> jordi: how can I know what's "OOPS-A200" ?
[09:09] <jordi> sivang: hmm, question for steve
[09:10] <matsubara> sivang: if you have access to chinstrap, just look at the logs.
[09:10] <sivang> matsubara: ah, where do I find them? (Hi! btw)
[09:10] <sivang> (in chinstrap)
[09:11] <jordi> I wonder how to get access to chinstrap.
[09:11] <matsubara> I don't have access myself. :)
[09:12] <sivang> matsubara: ah, then I'll grep my way there :)
[09:12] <jordi> matsubara: glad to see I'm not alone :p
[09:12] <zyga> hmm, rhythmbox crashes after plugging ipod 
[09:13] <sivang> matsubara: how do you fix bugs then?
[09:13] <zyga> hmm, wrong channel ;)
[09:13] <sivang> zyga: lol :)
[09:13] <matsubara> sivang: salgado and kiko merge for me.:)
[09:14] <salgado> sivang, /srv/gangotri-logs/<date>/<OOPS_NUMBER>
[09:15] <sivang> salgado: what's up in brazil?
[09:20] <salgado> sivang, nice weekend. some motorbike riding and good parties. 
[09:20] <salgado> sivang, you already started hacking on launchpad?
[09:22] <matsubara> what's up with pqm? I've received 8 emails from the same commit.
[09:26] <sivang> salgado: I've worked through RocketFuelSetup , bumped into a couple of problems with it, helped daf renovate it some bits... now I finally went over all the bug followups to those I opened, and read some more threads on the ML.  nothing more then that atm - have been too busy with work to be able to do any real hacking :-(
[09:36] <salgado> sivang, yeah, doing everything listed on RocketFuelSetup can be a quite time-consuming task
[09:38] <jordi> matsubara: makes sure you get noticed.
[09:41] <matsubara> jordi: pqm just sent the 9th
[09:44] <jordi> matsubara: tell it you're aware now
[09:44] <jordi> (politely)
[09:45] <sivang> salgado: not sure I follow the format of the gangotri-logs/<date>/.. files, what's the ordering made of?
[09:47] <matsubara> sivang: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/ErrorReportManagement
[09:48] <matsubara> We just got a foosball table on the office. I wonder what'll happen to productivity.
[09:49] <salgado> matsubara, what about the rat that was supposed to come together with the table?
[09:50] <salgado> sivang, what part you didn't get?
[09:51] <matsubara> salgado: it seems that it'll have a hard time to sleep now. The guys don't seem to care about it and are playing anyway.
[11:57] <sivang> good night all