[01:48] <zul> heylo
[01:51] <BenC> redskins crush the cowboys....my weekend is complete
[01:54] <zul> meh...american football is boring
[01:54] <BenC> maybe to you
[01:54] <zul> too many stoppages for my taste
[01:55] <zul> besides i didnt grow up with it on tv
[01:56] <BenC> yeah, it's been a sunday tradition in my family as long as I can remember
[01:57] <BenC> the odd thing is, I'm a redskins fan, and my wife is a cowboys fan, so Sunday's like today are anything but boring :)
[01:57] <zul> heh...i dont think we have a family tradition for sunday
[02:55] <zul> heh..my brother came over one time to my wife's parents house wearing a maple leafs hat, my mother in law nearly kicked him out
[02:56] <infinity> Habs fan?
[02:56] <zul> sens fan
[02:56] <infinity> (I would have said Senators, but no one's a Senators fan... Are they?)
[02:56] <infinity> Oh. :)
[02:57] <infinity> Any team that didn't even exist when I was a kid isn't worth kicking someone out of your house for.
[02:58] <infinity> "Oh my god, you don't like the Sharks, out with you!"  Bah.
[02:58] <zul> true but she gets violent when she watches hockey
[02:58] <infinity> (Okay, if your mother-in-law is, like 80, and remembers the FIRST Senators team, then props to her)
[02:59] <zul> hehe
[03:00] <zul> must go watch family guy...bbl
[03:02] <lamont> BenC: I expect I could probably find one... ping me tomorrow
[03:02] <lamont> or email to lamont.jones@hp.com
[03:03] <BenC> lamont: find what?
[03:04] <infinity> A ccis controller.
[03:04] <lamont> yeah, that
[03:08] <zul> lamont: i wanted to test a grub boot on it
[03:10] <zul> ummm...BenC i asked earlier if anyone had a ccis raid controller so i can get them to test a grub patch that was done and jeff suggested that lamont might have access to it
[03:10] <BenC> oh, ok, he said BenC, so I was wondering how I got into that :)
[03:13] <infinity> Because this is your channel, and you're the channel OVERLORD, dude.  You know all.
[03:13] <infinity> (Or you should pretend to)
[03:17] <lamont> BenC: because I can't read, that's why
[03:18] <BenC> infinity: was that bug for i2c-keywest directed at the proper package?
[03:18] <infinity> Yeah, though I wonder if I should offload the thermal hooks to acpi-support and mjg59, since I don't really grok what it's doing in initramfs. :)
[03:19] <infinity> Is i2c-keywest always required, or just sometimes?... And will it hurt to just load it anyway, even if it's not needed?
[03:20] <lamont> hrm... i386 with sata hdd... that should work, yes?
[03:20] <lamont> (actually it's an amd64 box, but...)
[03:20] <infinity> Works for me.  i386 and amd64 with SATA.
[03:21] <infinity> Of course, it doesn't work for everyone. :)
[03:21] <lamont> it barfed installing initrd-tools (breezy)
[03:22] <infinity> OO, my Google t-shirt came in the mail.
[03:25] <BenC> infinity: always required
[03:25] <infinity> Kay.  I'll shove it in the PPC thermal bit, then.
[03:26] <lamont> amd 64 3500+ cpu. yum
[03:28] <dilinger> i used to have a google tshirt
[03:28] <dilinger> :(
[03:28] <dilinger> urgg
[03:28] <dilinger> udev is still screwy
[03:28] <dilinger> crw-rw----  1 root root 1, 3 2005-12-18 16:50 /dev/null
[03:32] <infinity> Nice.
[04:27] <lamont> hrmpf.
[04:30] <cjb> I reported my tales of woe from earlier in #ubuntu-devel, speaking of SATA:  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21248 
[04:32] <lamont> 0000:01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5954
[04:32] <lamont> that's my current woe.
[04:32] <lamont> fabbione: helep
[04:33] <mjg59> cjb: Yeah, that looks like a bug
[04:34] <cjb> lamont: I think I have one of those.  What's the problem?
[04:34] <lamont> it;s the 'Unknown device'
[04:34] <lamont> X doesn't like it
[04:34] <cjb> (Mine's an HP a1250n with the crappy ATI bridge that can't count interrupts properly.)
[04:34] <lamont> (II) RADEON(0): [drm]  drmOpen failed
[04:34] <lamont> (EE) RADEON(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.
[04:35] <lamont> HP A1130N
[04:35] <cjb> Oh.  I didn't have a problem; X worked even though lspci can't identify the chip.
[04:36] <mjg59> lamont: dri being disabled doesn't sound unexpected
[04:36] <lamont> mjg59: ok.  rebooting with the current (breezy-security) kernel
[04:36] <lamont> then I'll worry if things don't work..
[04:38] <lamont> Fatal server error:
[04:38] <lamont> Caught signal 4.  Server aborting
[04:38] <lamont> that's the acutally fatality
[04:38] <mjg59> lamont: Oh.
[04:38] <mjg59> lamont: Blame daniels
[04:38] <lamont> I don't care who broke it, I just want X to work...
[04:38] <mjg59> Try disabling acceleration
[04:39] <lamont> uh... clue-factor on X config is kinda low here...
[04:39] <cjb> Comment out 'load "glx"', for starters.
[04:39] <mjg59> In the section that says ati, add Option "NoAccel" "true"
[04:41] <lamont> mjg59: so that fixed it...
[04:42] <lamont> I wonder if maybe the i386 ati driver doesn't like amd64 hardware...
[04:42] <mjg59> lamont: No, it happens on i386 too
[04:48] <cjb> The ATI card situation is such a mess.  We don't even have a proprietary driver for the latest batch.
[06:14] <infinity> No terrible loss there; the proprietary driver sucks. :/
[06:15] <infinity> (And I don't mean "sucks cause it's non-free, like the nvidia driver", I mean "sucks cause it sucks")
[06:16] <fabbione> morning
[09:28] <makx> zul: latest grub from debian just works on cciss
[09:28] <makx> the sarge one has troubles.
[11:06] <CataEnry> hi all
[01:13] <zul> makx: cool
[01:55] <fabbione> BenC: i think afb8765ea996378c42f1d5f8c93561d6a1873a06 has some leftovers
[01:55] <fabbione> libata-core doesn't build
[01:56] <BenC> yeah, I have it fixed now
[01:56] <BenC> I'll push in a second
[01:59] <BenC> fabbione: if you're inpatient, just add: #include <scsi/scsi_device.h> to the top of the file
[01:59] <BenC> impatient
[02:02] <fabbione> BenC: oh ok.. 
[02:02] <fabbione> i just did remove some code :)
[02:02] <fabbione> i was in a hurry to test some dri fixes on ppc from benh
[02:17] <BenC> -9.11 is probably going out today
[02:18] <fabbione> cool
[02:18] <fabbione> BenC: btw.. that idea of modular kernel upload stuff...
[02:18] <fabbione> you should probably talk with acme on netdev about it
[02:18] <BenC> ok
[02:18] <fabbione> he had a very similar idea for connectiva
[02:18] <fabbione> we discussed about it a bit
[02:19] <fabbione> that was before you arrived
[03:14] <zul> heylo
[04:11] <CataEnry> hi
[04:24] <infinity> BenC : Actually, on second thought, I may fiddle with that hardcoded path first thing in the morning, so if the LRM ABI bump isn't urgent, may as well leave it to me.
[04:25] <BenC> sure, it will be morning before the builds start getting done anyway
[04:42] <zul> oh yeah i made a couple of patches this weekend i have to do a test build before i do anything else
[04:42] <desrt> BenC; word.
[04:42] <desrt> BenC; new firewire love in the coming kernel?
[04:43] <BenC> desrt: somewhat...I reverted the code I had pulled from the firewire git tree
[04:43] <desrt> ah.  i see.
[04:43] <zul> BenC: you are always breaking things arent you ;)
[04:43] <desrt> well.  i'll give it a spin when it hits the archives and let you know
[04:44] <desrt> thx.
[04:44] <BenC> ok, thanks
[05:56] <CataEnry> bye all
[05:58] <cjb> Mornin' all.
[06:01] <BenC> and with that, I am off to lunch
[07:26] <BenC> zul: oh, I never break things, I only change their expected success patterns :)
[07:29] <zul> lol
[08:50] <zul> wtf is slashdot charging now?
[08:52] <cjb> If you want to see stories early and not see ads.  It's nothing new.
[08:52] <zul> thats retarded
[08:54] <crimsun> eh, it's his blog, he can do wtf he wants *shrug*
[09:44] <zul> BenC: i got a couple of patches for you that i need to test tonight, it enables hotplug in some drivers.
[09:44] <zul> er...makes the drivers hotplug aware
[09:44] <BenC> ok
[09:44] <BenC> makes them autoloadable is probably what you mean :)
[09:44] <zul> yeah..
[09:44] <zul> huked on phonix wurked 4 me
[09:46] <zul> oh yeah where do you want me to place the stripped/uncompressed vmlinux?
[09:48] <BenC> not sure.../boot is probably a bad place
[09:48] <BenC> /usr/lib/kernel/ maybe
[09:48] <BenC> /usr/lib/dbg/
[09:48] <BenC> there, that's probably best
[09:48] <BenC> libc uses /usr/lib/debug/, and gdm looks there
[09:49] <BenC> gdb I mean
[09:49] <BenC> let's go with the latter
[09:54] <zul> /usr/lib/dbg? okie dokie then
[09:57] <BenC> no, /debug/
[09:57] <zul> ah ok...sorry
[10:19] <zul> later