=== crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mrfrost [n=mrfrost@dslb-084-056-089-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] siretart, bug #5577 [12:39] Malone bug #5577: noteedit: merge new debian version In: noteedit (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: PendingUpload https://launchpad.net/bugs/5577 [12:39] ;) === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-26-207.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] ping LaserJock [12:42] yoh [12:43] did your @ubuntu start working yet? ;P [12:44] no [12:44] hehe [12:45] you? [12:45] didn't check today [12:45] I'll check before the next CC Meeting through [12:45] when is it anyway... [12:46] I'm more concerned about getting commit access to the doc-team svn repo. I would like to commit some stuff before I leave for Christmas on Tuesday [12:48] m going on fryday to the UK :) [12:49] Yah if its not up by the CC meeting, I'm pinging whoever I need to ping [12:50] Kyral: if I'm not there will you ping for me too? [12:50] yah [12:52] who WOULD I ping anyway? [12:52] elmo. [12:52] who is this elmo anyway? [12:52] James Troup [12:52] ah okay [12:52] ircnick is elmo? [12:53] yes. [12:53] never seen him around [12:53] don't panic if you don't hear back from him. He's extremely busy. [12:54] yeah, I wish he could delegate more. He does soo much === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-077-125.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] Cronjob the LP thing :P [12:55] @ubuntu.com is crontabbed last I knew [12:55] yours probably just needs to be poked [12:55] yah well its been like 2 weeks lol [12:56] heh, try almost 10 months :) [12:56] lol [12:56] Poked in what way? [12:57] then again, mine's a technical issue, which is different from yours [12:57] Kyral: as in someone needs to poke it. [12:57] beside me? [12:57] elmo I am guessing [12:58] or am I not getting the meaning of Poke? === JohnnyMast is now known as JohnnyMast_afk === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] mgalvin: hi. I've been meaning to ask what you guys were going to do with libcwd, but I went ahead and uploaded 0.99.42 to Dapper. Since you guys maintain it, anything I need to know? === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:17] crimsun: nothing special, there is this one debian bug open on it which I did not get around to yet #340174, other than that i don't think there are any other special consideration. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] mgalvin: you can close it when you upload 0.99.42 (after removing g++-3.4 from debian/control:Build-Depends) [01:21] afternoon [01:21] hi ajmitch === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jabra [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] any guys. I have a cool network security tool someone might wanta package. [01:26] *hey* [01:26] that is? [01:26] it's called pbnj ment to scan machines and then parse nmap diff [01:26] http://pbnj.sf.net [01:27] I would like to see if anyone would like to package it for ubuntu [01:27] also if anyone has comments and other suggestions please feel free to send them to me [01:27] jabra @ccs.neu.edu [01:28] jabra: put it on UniverseCandidates [01:28] yeah [01:28] aight [01:33] ok I will add it [01:36] crimsun: great, thnx [01:36] mgalvin: np [01:36] ok added === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-136-146.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:47] will there be an email back when it is reveiwed or comments posted === NeTo [n=neto@200-126-124-183.bk8-dsl.surnet.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] jabra: someone would have to make a package first [01:50] one would hope that the person packaging would get in touch [01:50] until then ? === smergler2 [n=smergler@denali.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] it just waits? [01:51] hey [01:52] jabra: well yes, there's only a limited number of people who do packaging, and a lot of stuff that people want done [01:52] jabra: you could always package it yourself if you wanted :) [01:53] ajmitch: true but as a programmer I have made an ubuntu install shell script [01:53] and I don't have the time to maintain the software and the ubuntu package yet [01:54] as a progammer im sure you can figure out how to write a makefile for a proper package [01:54] I have [01:54] generally if someone wants it in ubuntu, they'll go to the effort to do it [01:54] aight [01:55] you could file an RFP bug in debian as well [01:55] RFP? [01:56] yep [01:57] check it out on the debian site, qa.debian.org [01:58] amap is in universe right? [01:59] apt-cache show amap [01:59] Filename: pool/universe/a/amap/amap_4.8-1.1_i386.deb [02:00] thought so [02:01] i'll look into this further tomorrow === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.155.193] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:17] good evening === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dous [n=adpenara@203.131.155.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@125.212.73.46] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MoonRanger [n=ubuntu@toronto-HSE-ppp3987724.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MoonRanger [n=ubuntu@toronto-HSE-ppp3987724.sympatico.ca] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-136-146.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] doko: ping === scotth [n=scotth@157.182.209.170] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === irvin [n=irvin@125.212.73.46] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dous [n=adpenara@203.131.155.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin_ [n=irvin@125.212.73.46] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FireRabbit [n=FireRabb@unaffiliated/firerabbit] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin_ [n=irvin@125.212.73.46] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@d058180.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === scotth [n=scotth@157.182.209.170] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === scotth [n=scotth@157.182.209.170] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-136-146.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ppp-69-239-136-146.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:08] afternoon all :D [06:09] hi [06:09] it's 11pm here :) === Alexei_Smerdykov [i=Alexei_S@66-230-126-94-dial-as6.fai.acsalaska.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Alexei_Smerdykov [i=Alexei_S@66-230-126-94-dial-as6.fai.acsalaska.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === dous [n=adpenara@203.131.155.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-73-195.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Unfrgiven [n=ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:50] Unfrgiven: you around? === superdave42 [n=dave@67.136.146.5] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B21AF.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:07] good morning [07:08] hi dholbach [07:08] hey LaserJock [07:09] how what your talk the other day? [07:09] it went quite well, i guess [07:09] s/what/was/ [07:09] it's online somewhere, let me find the link [07:10] how did you conduct it? via chat? === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:10] daniel gave a talk? [07:10] hrm [07:11] jsgotangco: irc, yes, it was at http://umeet.uninet.edu :) [07:11] http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/talks/?lang=en&s=daniel === Trashcan [n=matt@ip70-176-253-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:11] at the end, i had blisters on my fingers.... or something [07:12] (i had to type quite quickly) - the other talkers had their stuff prepared, so they had less hassle - good morning ryan by the way :) [07:12] copy/paste is cheating :) [07:12] good morning to you too. [07:13] do you think it might be appropriate to move the "recent documents" item to the very top of the places menu? [07:13] i think it would be much more used if it was there [07:14] desrt: we should discuss this on ubuntu-desktop@ [07:14] dholbach: btw, I got two votes for plotdrop today after I made the changes you suggested. [07:14] @ubuntu.com? [07:14] lists.ubuntu.com [07:14] LaserJock: that's good news [07:14] just randomly send an email to that address? [07:14] LaserJock: did they upload it already? [07:14] hmm, I don't know [07:15] desrt: i can moderate it, but i guess it's better, if you actually sign up ;) [07:15] desrt: its traffic is not bad [07:15] ok [07:15] LaserJock: did you ask your mail address to be whitelisted yet? [07:15] i will for now. [07:16] ubuntu desktop team! :) [07:16] dholbach: yep, it is [07:16] LaserJock: good [07:20] dholbach, ah so it was a chat conference...i thought you actually spoke... === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:20] jsgotangco: no, i "cheated" :) [07:20] jsgotangco: i'll speak in january [07:22] dholbach; i accidentally sent the email (just) before signing up to the list. you might have to push it through manually [07:22] desrt: i'll be delighted to :) [07:22] sorry :p [07:23] done [07:23] :) [07:23] don't worry [07:45] dholbach: just got done reading your talk, very nice. [07:46] it was just 45 min of talk, so i gave the big overview only [07:46] yes, but you gave lots of places for people to plug in to. [07:47] i hope they see it that way too :) [07:49] dholbach: do you know what the process for REVU packages that are OK'd is? Do the automatically get uploaded or does a MOTU have to do that by hand? === bojan [i=www-data@midnight.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:51] is there a note, that it was uploaded? [07:51] you should ask the two guys [07:51] morning! [07:52] dholbach: no notes just votes ;-) [07:52] LaserJock: then ask the two guys [07:52] morning bojan === lucas [n=lucas@alabama.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:00] hi [08:04] somebody here ? there's something I don't understand about a build log [08:04] I'm here [08:05] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/r/ruby-gnome2/0.14.1-1/ [08:05] not sure I'll understand it better than you though :-) [08:05] look at the last "given-back" log [08:05] seems like there's a problem on the i386 buildd === fredix [n=fredix@183.64.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:05] lucas: i386 buildd is known to have problems now [08:05] oh ok [08:05] didn't know that [08:05] where should I have found out ? [08:06] hmm, some one should put it on topic perhaps [08:06] lucas: don't know, I knew that from the talks here :-) [08:06] ok === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-100-81.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru_ [n=poningru@pool-70-110-69-84.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:39] dholbach: I somewhat completed a merging tutorial started by JohnnyMast at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Merging . [08:39] I don't know it is too long but if you think it is useful we could link to it from MOTUToMerge or something === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@cpe-066-056-187-199.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:40] LaserJock: please call for proofreaders on the mailing list === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:41] dholbach: aww, good idea. Will do [08:41] thank you. :-) === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=zhengpen@61.190.65.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=zhengpen@61.190.65.34] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:09] dholbach: I replied to your mail, explaining the choice of SVN [09:10] ahhhh, so you're buxy :) [09:10] dholbach: as I explained it to sirestart yesterday evening, if I want to change how Debian works, I have to use what Debian people are using [09:10] and right now this is svn [09:10] dholbach: yes I am ! :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:12] buxy: define 'debian people' [09:12] offhand I can think of debian people that use CVS, baz, bzr, darcs, hg and svn. [09:13] as well as git, I imagine. [09:14] I _think_ buxy is referring to Alioth projects [09:15] yes, which handles at least arch in addition to svn and cvs. [09:16] that's true [09:16] it's just that I use SVN only and forgot others, sorry :-P === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:19] lucas: ruby-gnome2 and libgettext-ruby still has give-backs on i386, not out of the woods yet :/ [09:20] zakame: there are build problems on the i386 buildd, which are unrelated to the package [09:20] it seems the i386 buildd just cannot find the source [09:22] lucas: yes, I checked it yesterday, and still is so today :( but I wouldn't mark it as fixed until it builds on all archs [09:25] lifeless: Debian contributors using alioth to handle packages [09:25] zakame: I'll monitor the build logs and reopen if it isn't rebuilded in a few days [09:26] lucas: I leave it to you then ;) keep up the good work! [09:26] zakame: the libgtk-trayicon-ruby problem is strange [09:26] lifeless: i know also people using bzr, etc. in Debian but the majority is using svn [09:27] 'night guys. [09:27] night cr... [09:29] lucas: indeed, as I said it seems to put a .so inside a /usr/local directory [09:29] yes, but it didn't on Debian [09:30] but sbody reported a debian bug about this, so it seems that sometimes, it does too on debian. [09:30] hm, strange indeed [09:30] anyway, I added a patch to the launchpad bug, and reopened the debian bug about this. [09:30] (the maintainer closed it since he couldn't reproduce) [09:31] buxy: with the greatest respect, I doubt your stats. [09:31] I'm not near my desktop right now (i'm missing it so terribly), as I'm in Manila, but as soon as I get back I'll try to reproduce it [09:32] lifeless: check http://svn.debian.org and count, check http://arch.debian.org and count [09:32] lifeless: I'm administering alioth where both those services are hosted === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:38] Good morning everybody [09:40] hi sivang [09:52] how do I make a debug build of a cdbs-package? [09:53] morning [09:53] hi siretart [09:54] buxy: very good points on -devel. Will answer on them after work [09:56] siretart: fine ! === irvin [n=irvin@125.212.73.46] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@d058180.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wBryce [n=bryce@kampjes.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wBryce [n=bryce@kampjes.demon.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === irvin [n=irvin@125.212.73.46] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Client] === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.192.131] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.164] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] <\sh> moins === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] siretart, please nuke xubuntu-docs and xubuntu-default-settings from REVU, thanks [11:36] <\sh> janimo: I archived it :) [11:36] \sh, thanks === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:37] <\sh> morning dredg [11:37] \sh, btw do you know anything about {k,}ubuntu-docs having to use update-alternatives instead of dpkg-divert? [11:37] the latter does not work if more than two packages try to provide the same file (about ubuntu ff start page) [11:38] infinity said something about this but it is not currently the case === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:39] <\sh> janimo: well..no, but I think this is a good case to bring this to core dev attention...we need to find a better solution _now_ :) [11:39] I'll ping infinity again about it [11:40] ARGH! mkdirhier is *NOT* in /usr/X11R6/bin === StevenK is going to kill this build system. [11:41] Riddell, dholbach ping [11:41] janimo: pong [11:41] dhlobach see above [11:42] do you have an idea what the alternatives name could be for index.html [11:42] in about ubuntu [11:42] right now u-docs and ku-docs use dpkg-divert I think which is messy [11:42] morning [11:42] and with xubu in the mix gets messier even :) [11:42] \sh: howdy [11:42] janimo: it seems the right thing to do, no? [11:43] dholbach, divert does not work with more than 2 packages [11:43] so it needs to use update-alternatives [11:43] or so I have been told when I asked [11:49] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xubuntu-default-settings/0.2/xubuntu-default-settings_0.2_20051218-2044-i386-given-back.gz [11:49] any idea why this happens? === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@84.5.51.217] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@pcd730116.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-48-109.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === selinium [n=selinium@82-45-118-133.stb.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] hi === infinito [n=infinito@VPNPOOL01-0209.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] janimo: the i386 buildds seem to be giving lots back these last few days [12:38] <\sh> Riddell: since you uploaded the kde critical masses :-) [12:39] hum [12:39] do you think a set of amarok scripts package would be usefull ? [12:47] Tonio_: if they are useful scripts yes === NigelS [i=nigel@83.166.160.96] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] Riddell: there are LOTS of very usefull scripts [12:48] I think it could be interesting to package them by category... [12:49] I'll manage to have a look toonight ;) === TMM2 [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wBryce_ [n=bryce@kampjes.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rev [n=rev@dslb-082-083-035-057.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] wb minghua [01:38] hi zakame === rev [n=rev@dslb-082-083-035-057.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] hi slomo :) [01:47] hi zakame === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@d058180.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] does simple-patchsys in cdbs use debian/patches/ as well? [02:18] there is a thread on debian-devel about debian/patches/ directory [02:18] minghua, yes [02:19] if they are called 00_patchname, 01_pacthname2 etc [02:19] a nice oppertunity to advocate #ubuntu-motu-school if I can find the log for \sh's first lecture... [02:19] but no need for a patch index file as with dpatch AFAIK [02:19] janimo: I see, thanks === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === thierry_ [n=thierry@modemcable084.72-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas [n=Miranda@AGrenoble-152-1-29-204.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] hi [02:39] is there any reason ubuntu doesn't have /etc/init.d/iptables as debian have ? [02:41] xerxas, debian stable doesnt have this file [02:41] thats been in woody [02:41] ogra: are there any plan for having it in ubuntu ? [02:42] ogra: sorry I only work with unstable ubuntu :) [02:42] why should we? debian doent have it either [02:42] there was a SoC project fro a firewall solution which is still WIP [02:43] SoC == Summer of Code ? [02:43] yup [02:43] a SoC for ubuntu ? [02:43] there were many .... === Am|NickTaken [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] ogra: cool [02:46] where is the WIP for firewall in ubuntu ? [02:47] no idea, look through the wiki for the spec [02:47] i dont know if it was moved to launchpad already === shift [i=shift@82-39-34-36.cable.ubr01.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-89-232.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] ogra: found on the wiki [02:57] nothing interesting to me [02:57] ah, fine [02:58] found someone on google who ported the gentoo /etc/init.d/iptables to ubuntu [02:58] but that will be responsible for iptable rules ... [02:58] I will probably do that === infinito [n=infinito@VPNPOOL01-0209.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B21AF.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === markuman [n=supermar@p5092794D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] siretart: I've just saw your comments for my ushare package. Thanks ;) [03:32] siretart: but I disagree with you when you say I should move debian/po in upstream tarball : it's po-debconf l10n files for the debian templates. There's a Debian page about that here : http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/po-debconf/ [03:32] asbin: oh, then I mislooked it. I'm sorry [03:33] siretart: no problems ;) [03:33] siretart: we should make a new release of the program soon, so I'll upload the new package with modifs when it's done ... [03:34] ok [03:35] siretart: Thank you for having a look in this package ... we will be very happy when this package will be an official package (3 months after first coding line ;) ) [03:36] I don't know what is the next stage for the package been official ? === eruin [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] I'm sorry, I shouldn't be the first person to ask for that here, but I couldn't find help on ubuntu wiki ! [03:44] Morning MOTU people [03:46] morning Kyral [03:46] okay...I know that the CC Meeting is tomorrow...but last I checked...there wasn't a time [03:51] How do I find out who maintains a package in the multiverse? [03:51] apt-cache show [03:51] it will have the name of the maintainer in the data [03:51] same way you find out who maintains any other package :D [03:51] There's been a few people show up on #squeak needing help getting started. [03:53] Whats Squeak? [03:54] an awesome educ-centric app [03:54] An open source Smalltalk. [03:54] okay...whats Smalltalk === jamessan [n=jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:54] sorry I just woke up, no caffine is in my brain yet [03:54] It's the host of Seaside, the main open source continuation based web-framework. [03:55] google :) [03:56] Squeak's a direct decendent of Xerox's Smalltalk work in the 70's [03:56] yah...just woke up [03:56] no caffine yet [03:56] didja miss that? lol [03:56] sorry [03:59] Any way to find out if a package exists? I've tried searching for it in synaptic. No signs. [03:59] You mean Squeak? [04:00] kyral@UltimateInsaneFreedomDestinyDarknessAndLight:~$ aptS squeak [04:00] squeak-sources - squeak smalltalk system (system sources file) [04:00] squeak-vm - squeak smalltalk system (virtual machine) [04:00] squeak-image [04:00] any MOTU would like to review my packages? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1245 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1246 [04:01] they are the deps of another package on the universe Candidates [04:01] It's not installed. Look's like it should be. [04:01] And I can't find the package. [04:02] For my own use I install Squeak from source by hand. Just trying to get this sorted out. [04:03] The menus are set up to start squeak. Unfortunately the two packages don't include an image (needed) so it doesn't work. [04:05] wBryce_, woks fine here === Hieronymus [n=jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:06] OK, starting from scratch. Install squeak-vm, install squeak-sources. Where's the image? [04:06] you dont need one to run squeak [04:06] I know I can download one from squeak.org. But that's a little hard. [04:06] The system is in the image. [04:07] squeak runs fine here and in every edubuntu install if you install the squeak-vm package ... [04:07] here comes my one annoying msg for 12 hours [04:08] There must be an image to run squeak. [04:08] Could any MOTU give me one more vote on EasyChem http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1166 === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.127.101.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:09] ogra: Hi, I'm Bryce Kampjes. Thanks for including Squeak in Ubuntu. [04:09] Run squeak from the command line. === mitsuhiko [n=blackbir@ubuntu/member/mitsuhiko] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:10] It should ask for an image. [04:11] The squeak-image package doesn't exist in the multiverse. [04:11] It's referred to in the package description. [04:11] damned, you are right [04:12] the image was included in the -vm package once, maybe the wrong packae wnet up to the archive [04:12] i'll fix that for dapper, thatnks for pointing it out [04:13] Look's like the -vm package was split into three. And only two made it up. [04:14] yup [04:14] Where you setting the $SQUEAK_IMAGE environment variable? [04:14] my fault ... it somehow got lost during the 4 weeks lasting discussion if it would get included at all ... [04:15] <\sh> siretart: do you think the approach is really working? [04:15] wBryce_, i dont think so, in debian systems there is a policy to install the pieces in the right place instead of setting env variables instead [04:16] ogra: no problem, thanks for getting it in. It took me a while to talk someone through installing it last night. [04:16] wBryce_, just putting the squeak.image file into /usr/lib/squeak/3.7-7/, should have solved it [04:17] err, nope, actually wrong dir [04:17] /usr/share/squeak/ is right [04:18] Hmm, strace only shows one attempt to open the image. [04:18] That should be in the current directory. [04:19] The image is normally modified and saved. It's all your work. It's common to have many copies of it. [04:22] iirc there was a command that generates the image on first startup .... [04:23] Probably inisqueak [04:23] but i'll have to look into it again, its more than 7 months ago that i had it in my hands [04:23] ah, yeh [04:23] \sh: they didn't specify a workflow or any implementation yet, just the idea, and what they want to do [04:23] \sh: and I really think it is a good idea, for both debian and ubuntu, so, yes, I think this could and will work [04:24] <\sh> siretart: I hope...because it will drag away our people if they make it correctly :) [04:24] \sh: and that's why I want to join that discussion and project, so that we (in ubuntu) can and will profit from the results [04:25] dragging people away? so what. thats what some debian is accusing ubuntu ;) [04:26] siretart, \sh: you to should stop being the same color :-P. [04:27] <\sh> siretart: but many people are not going to debian, they are coming directly to ubuntu...because, yeah, because of what? because it's much more relaxed? more fun? more work? more action? [04:27] \sh: I don't think thats a problem [04:27] <\sh> Nafallo: I'm not a color :) [04:27] \sh: no NM, no flamewars :-) [04:28] \sh: I think that is a new possibility to improve both debian and ubuntu === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] what are you discussing btw? ;-) [04:28] Nafallo: see the current thread on ubuntu-motu@lists.u.c. [04:29] <\sh> siretart: but only in giving them the opportunity to have packages easily in debian, because the ITP/RFPs are queuing in their bts..and no one will work on them [04:29] \sh: that's not what buxy is talking about [04:29] <\sh> siretart: quite the opposite in our area..that's what I mean.. [04:29] \sh: buxy is talking about collaborative maintenance. A topic which has not been yet widley discussed and coordinated [04:30] but some people are already doing. like us, motus [04:30] <\sh> siretart: and we should be able to show them the path? ;) [04:31] \sh: no. I think we should work together in finding better paths than we have currently === Akatemik [n=tpievila@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Kyral goes to install Kubuntu-Desktop === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1CC6.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] hey dholbach [04:51] I heard KDE 3.5 is supposed to be something else [04:51] <\sh> Kyral: no [04:51] \sh: No? No what? [04:52] <\sh> it's not something else... [04:52] its an incremental upgrade [04:52] <\sh> 4.0 will be different [04:52] ah [04:52] Oh well [04:52] Kyral, 4.0 is the crack [04:52] I'm gonna install it just so I'm familier with KDE [04:52] so when someone asks a KDE question I can stop saying "Sorry I don't know KDE all that well" [04:54] plus its also a part of my plan to have a "Grand Unified Theme" [04:54] I want to make all my WMs have the same look+feel as much as I can :D [04:54] Red Hat tried to do that but failmed [04:54] ah [04:54] hi Kyral [04:54] re :) [04:55] they called it "bluecurve" [04:55] lol [04:55] I don't mean exactly alike [04:55] <\sh> jsgotangco: why they failed? [04:55] Kyral, seriously [04:55] ahhh [04:55] <\sh> jsgotangco: it was working [04:55] but similar enough that if I feel like using KDE one day, it won't take a major change in thinking [04:55] \sh, last i read they're not going to use bluecurve anymore [04:56] <\sh> jsgotangco: because nobody really liked it.. [04:56] <\sh> jsgotangco: but it was working [04:56] yah icky bluecurve [04:56] I like the Milk style themes myself [04:56] \sh, it did work though [04:57] <\sh> well...the better thing to do is: to make ubuntu things ubuntu and kubuntu things kubuntu...means all themes/styles for kde apps in ubuntu needs to be human and on kubuntu all gnome apps needs to be lipstick [04:58] lipstick? [04:58] <\sh> Kyral: check your kde styles and themes..it should default to lipstick :) [04:58] \sh: Its still installing :P [04:58] <\sh> (themes == window decoration) [04:59] Yes I know this [04:59] <\sh> Kyral: no themes in kde are a package of wm deco, colors and widgets styles normally ... [04:59] oh [05:00] well while this is Prelinking [05:00] I [05:00] am gonna get breakfast === FireRabbit [n=FireRabb@c-67-183-18-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] <\sh> grmpf [05:13] <\sh> donnerstag 11am utc neuer versuch :) [05:13] <\sh> argl === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@d077230.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === greenpenguin13 [n=joseph@user-6552.l3.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === greenpenguin13 [n=joseph@user-6552.l3.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Am|NickTaken [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === selinium [n=selinium@82-45-118-133.stb.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:54] What's the status of the i386 buildd problems ? [05:55] http://tiber.tauware.de/cgi-bin/buildlogs.cgi looks fine to me [05:58] yup, but ruby-gnome2 and libgettext-ruby weren't fully built [05:58] they weren't built on i386 [05:59] (see http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libg/libgettext-ruby/1.0.0-1/ ) [06:01] ogra: http://tiber.tauware.de/cgi-bin/buildlogs.cgi doesn't look fine to me [06:01] lots of failed i386 builds [06:02] oh, yes, the goo old "debhelper is missing" stuff [06:03] but it worked until 1h ago (runit 16:37 UTC) [06:03] so the time for the CC meeting tomorrow is still not decided? [06:03] minghua: seems so [06:04] ogra: builds were failing yesterday [06:04] hard for someone who wants to attend... [06:04] so some builds are missing [06:04] lucas, yes, but the buildds worked during the day today .. [06:05]