[12:39] <seth_k|lappy> siretart, bug #5577
[12:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5577: noteedit: merge new debian version In: noteedit (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: PendingUpload https://launchpad.net/bugs/5577
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[12:42] <Kyral> ping LaserJock
[12:42] <LaserJock> yoh
[12:43] <Kyral> did your @ubuntu start working yet? ;P
[12:44] <LaserJock> no
[12:44] <Kyral> hehe
[12:45] <LaserJock> you?
[12:45] <Kyral> didn't check today
[12:45] <Kyral> I'll check before the next CC Meeting through
[12:45] <Kyral> when is it anyway...
[12:46] <LaserJock> I'm more concerned about getting commit access to the doc-team svn repo. I would like to commit some stuff before I leave for Christmas on Tuesday
[12:48] <JohnnyMast> m going on fryday to the UK :)
[12:49] <Kyral> Yah if its not up by the CC meeting, I'm pinging whoever I need to ping
[12:50] <LaserJock> Kyral: if I'm not there will you ping for me too?
[12:50] <Kyral> yah
[12:52] <Kyral> who WOULD I ping anyway?
[12:52] <crimsun> elmo.
[12:52] <Kyral> who is this elmo anyway?
[12:52] <LaserJock> James Troup
[12:52] <Kyral> ah okay
[12:52] <Kyral> ircnick is elmo?
[12:53] <crimsun> yes.
[12:53] <Kyral> never seen him around
[12:53] <crimsun> don't panic if you don't hear back from him. He's extremely busy.
[12:54] <LaserJock> yeah, I wish he could delegate more. He does soo much
[12:55] <Kyral> Cronjob the LP thing :P
[12:55] <crimsun> @ubuntu.com is crontabbed last I knew
[12:55] <crimsun> yours probably just needs to be poked
[12:55] <Kyral> yah well its been like 2 weeks lol
[12:56] <crimsun> heh, try almost 10 months :)
[12:56] <Kyral> lol
[12:56] <Kyral> Poked in what way?
[12:57] <crimsun> then again, mine's a technical issue, which is different from yours
[12:57] <crimsun> Kyral: as in someone needs to poke it.
[12:57] <Kyral> beside me?
[12:57] <LaserJock> elmo I am guessing
[12:58] <Kyral> or am I not getting the meaning of Poke?
[01:09] <crimsun> mgalvin: hi. I've been meaning to ask what you guys were going to do with libcwd, but I went ahead and uploaded 0.99.42 to Dapper. Since you guys maintain it, anything I need to know?
[01:17] <mgalvin> crimsun: nothing special, there is this one debian bug open on it which I did not get around to yet #340174, other than that i don't think there are any other special consideration.
[01:18] <crimsun> mgalvin: you can close it when you upload 0.99.42 (after removing g++-3.4 from debian/control:Build-Depends)
[01:21] <ajmitch> afternoon
[01:21] <tseng> hi ajmitch
[01:26] <jabra> any guys. I have a cool network security tool someone might wanta package.
[01:26] <jabra> *hey*
[01:26] <jsgotangco> that is?
[01:26] <jabra> it's called pbnj ment to scan machines and then parse nmap diff
[01:26] <jabra> http://pbnj.sf.net
[01:27] <jabra> I would like to see if anyone would like to package it for ubuntu
[01:27] <jabra> also if anyone has comments and other suggestions please feel free to send them to me
[01:27] <jabra> jabra @ccs.neu.edu
[01:28] <ajmitch> jabra: put it on UniverseCandidates
[01:28] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:28] <jabra> aight
[01:33] <jabra> ok I will add it
[01:36] <mgalvin> crimsun: great, thnx
[01:36] <crimsun> mgalvin: np
[01:36] <jabra> ok added
[01:47] <jabra> will there be an email back when it is reveiwed or comments posted
[01:50] <ajmitch> jabra: someone would have to make a package first
[01:50] <ajmitch> one would hope that the person packaging would get in touch
[01:50] <jabra> until then ?
[01:51] <jabra> it just waits?
[01:51] <smergler2> hey
[01:52] <ajmitch> jabra: well yes, there's only a limited number of people who do packaging, and a lot of stuff that people want done
[01:52] <ajmitch> jabra: you could always package it yourself if you wanted :)
[01:53] <jabra> ajmitch: true but as a programmer I have made an ubuntu install shell script
[01:53] <jabra> and I don't have the time to maintain the software and the ubuntu package yet
[01:54] <tseng> as a progammer im sure you can figure out how to write a makefile for a proper package
[01:54] <jabra> I have
[01:54] <ajmitch> generally if someone wants it in ubuntu, they'll go to the effort to do it
[01:54] <jabra> aight
[01:55] <ajmitch> you could file an RFP bug in debian as well
[01:55] <jabra> RFP?
[01:56] <ajmitch> yep
[01:57] <ajmitch> check it out on the debian site, qa.debian.org
[01:58] <jabra> amap is in universe right?
[01:59] <tseng> apt-cache show amap
[01:59] <tseng> Filename: pool/universe/a/amap/amap_4.8-1.1_i386.deb
[02:00] <jabra> thought so
[02:01] <jabra> i'll look into this further tomorrow
[02:17] <minghua> good evening
[03:41] <bmonty> doko: ping
[06:08] <zakame> afternoon all :D
[06:09] <chillywilly> hi
[06:09] <chillywilly> it's 11pm here :)
[06:50] <LaserJock> Unfrgiven: you around?
[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:08] <LaserJock> hi dholbach
[07:08] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[07:09] <LaserJock> how what your talk the other day?
[07:09] <dholbach> it went quite well, i guess
[07:09] <LaserJock> s/what/was/
[07:09] <dholbach> it's online somewhere, let me find the link
[07:10] <jsgotangco> how did you conduct it? via chat?
[07:10] <desrt> daniel gave a talk?
[07:10] <desrt> hrm
[07:11] <dholbach> jsgotangco: irc, yes, it was at http://umeet.uninet.edu :)
[07:11] <dholbach> http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/talks/?lang=en&s=daniel
[07:11] <dholbach> at the end, i had blisters on my fingers.... or something
[07:12] <dholbach> (i had to type quite quickly) - the other talkers had their stuff prepared, so they had less hassle - good morning ryan by the way :)
[07:12] <desrt> copy/paste is cheating :)
[07:12] <desrt> good morning to you too.
[07:13] <desrt> do you think it might be appropriate to move the "recent documents" item to the very top of the places menu?
[07:13] <desrt> i think it would be much more used if it was there
[07:14] <dholbach> desrt: we should discuss this on ubuntu-desktop@
[07:14] <LaserJock> dholbach: btw, I got two votes for plotdrop today after I made the changes you suggested.
[07:14] <desrt> @ubuntu.com?
[07:14] <dholbach> lists.ubuntu.com
[07:14] <dholbach> LaserJock: that's good news
[07:14] <desrt> just randomly send an email to that address?
[07:14] <dholbach> LaserJock: did they upload it already?
[07:14] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't know
[07:15] <dholbach> desrt: i can moderate it, but i guess it's better, if you actually sign up ;)
[07:15] <dholbach> desrt: its traffic is not bad
[07:15] <desrt> ok
[07:15] <dholbach> LaserJock: did you ask your mail address to be whitelisted yet?
[07:15] <desrt> i will for now.
[07:16] <dholbach> ubuntu desktop team! :)
[07:16] <LaserJock> dholbach: yep, it is
[07:16] <dholbach> LaserJock: good
[07:20] <jsgotangco> dholbach, ah so it was a chat conference...i thought you actually spoke...
[07:20] <dholbach> jsgotangco: no, i "cheated" :)
[07:20] <dholbach> jsgotangco: i'll speak in january
[07:22] <desrt> dholbach; i accidentally sent the email (just) before signing up to the list.  you might have to push it through manually
[07:22] <dholbach> desrt: i'll be delighted to :)
[07:22] <desrt> sorry :p
[07:23] <dholbach> done
[07:23] <dholbach> :)
[07:23] <dholbach> don't worry
[07:45] <LaserJock> dholbach: just got done reading your talk, very nice.
[07:46] <dholbach> it was just 45 min of talk, so i gave the big overview only
[07:46] <LaserJock> yes, but you gave lots of places for people to plug in to.
[07:47] <dholbach> i hope they see it that way too :)
[07:49] <LaserJock> dholbach: do you know what the process for REVU packages that are OK'd is? Do the automatically get uploaded or does a MOTU have to do that by hand?
[07:51] <dholbach> is there a note, that it was uploaded?
[07:51] <dholbach> you should ask the two guys
[07:51] <bojan> morning!
[07:52] <LaserJock> dholbach: no notes just votes ;-)
[07:52] <dholbach> LaserJock: then ask the two guys
[07:52] <dholbach> morning bojan
[08:00] <lucas> hi
[08:04] <lucas> somebody here ? there's something I don't understand about a build log
[08:04] <minghua> I'm here
[08:05] <lucas> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/r/ruby-gnome2/0.14.1-1/
[08:05] <minghua> not sure I'll understand it better than you though :-)
[08:05] <lucas> look at the last "given-back" log
[08:05] <lucas> seems like there's a problem on the i386 buildd
[08:05] <minghua> lucas: i386 buildd is known to have problems now
[08:05] <lucas> oh ok
[08:05] <lucas> didn't know that
[08:05] <lucas> where should I have found out ?
[08:06] <minghua> hmm, some one should put it on topic perhaps
[08:06] <minghua> lucas: don't know, I knew that from the talks here :-)
[08:06] <lucas> ok
[08:39] <LaserJock> dholbach: I somewhat completed a merging tutorial started by JohnnyMast at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Merging .
[08:39] <LaserJock> I don't know it is too long but if you think it is useful we could link to it from MOTUToMerge or something
[08:40] <dholbach> LaserJock: please call for proofreaders on the mailing list
[08:41] <LaserJock> dholbach: aww, good idea. Will do
[08:41] <dholbach> thank you. :-)
[09:09] <buxy> dholbach: I replied to your mail, explaining the choice of SVN
[09:10] <dholbach> ahhhh, so you're buxy :)
[09:10] <buxy> dholbach: as I explained it to sirestart yesterday evening, if I want to change how Debian works, I have to use what Debian people are using
[09:10] <buxy> and right now this is svn
[09:10] <buxy> dholbach: yes I am ! :)
[09:12] <lifeless> buxy: define 'debian people'
[09:12] <lifeless> offhand I can think of debian people that use CVS, baz, bzr, darcs, hg and svn.
[09:13] <Mithrandir> as well as git, I imagine.
[09:14] <minghua> I _think_ buxy is referring to Alioth projects
[09:15] <Mithrandir> yes, which handles at least arch in addition to svn and cvs.
[09:16] <minghua> that's true
[09:16] <minghua> it's just that I use SVN only and forgot others, sorry :-P
[09:19] <zakame> lucas: ruby-gnome2 and libgettext-ruby still has give-backs on i386, not out of the woods yet :/
[09:20] <lucas> zakame: there are build problems on the i386 buildd, which are unrelated to the package
[09:20] <lucas> it seems the i386 buildd just cannot find the source
[09:22] <zakame> lucas: yes, I checked it yesterday, and still is so today :( but I wouldn't mark it as fixed until it builds on all archs
[09:25] <buxy> lifeless: Debian contributors using alioth to handle packages
[09:25] <lucas> zakame: I'll monitor the build logs and reopen if it isn't rebuilded in a few days
[09:26] <zakame> lucas: I leave it to you then ;) keep up the good work!
[09:26] <lucas> zakame: the libgtk-trayicon-ruby problem is strange
[09:26] <buxy> lifeless: i know also people using bzr, etc. in Debian but the majority is using svn
[09:27] <crimsun_> 'night guys.
[09:27] <dholbach> night cr...
[09:29] <zakame> lucas: indeed, as I said it seems to put a .so inside a /usr/local directory
[09:29] <lucas> yes, but it didn't on Debian
[09:30] <lucas> but sbody reported a debian bug about this, so it seems that sometimes, it does too on debian.
[09:30] <zakame> hm, strange indeed
[09:30] <lucas> anyway, I added a patch to the launchpad bug, and reopened the debian bug about this.
[09:30] <lucas> (the maintainer closed it since he couldn't reproduce)
[09:31] <lifeless> buxy: with the greatest respect, I doubt your stats.
[09:31] <zakame> I'm not near my desktop right now (i'm missing it so terribly), as I'm in Manila, but as soon as I get back I'll try to reproduce it
[09:32] <buxy> lifeless: check http://svn.debian.org and count, check http://arch.debian.org and count
[09:32] <buxy> lifeless: I'm administering alioth where both those services are hosted
[09:38] <sivang> Good morning everybody
[09:40] <zakame> hi sivang
[09:52] <Treenaks> how do I make a debug build of a cdbs-package?
[09:53] <siretart> morning
[09:53] <zakame> hi siretart
[09:54] <siretart> buxy: very good points on -devel. Will answer on them after work
[09:56] <buxy> siretart: fine !
[11:32] <\sh> moins
[11:34] <janimo> siretart, please nuke xubuntu-docs and xubuntu-default-settings from REVU, thanks
[11:36] <\sh> janimo: I archived it :)
[11:36] <janimo> \sh, thanks
[11:37] <\sh> morning dredg
[11:37] <janimo> \sh, btw do you know anything about {k,}ubuntu-docs having to use update-alternatives instead of dpkg-divert?
[11:37] <janimo> the latter does not work if more than two packages try to provide the same file (about ubuntu ff start page)
[11:38] <janimo> infinity said something about this but it is not currently the case
[11:39] <\sh> janimo: well..no, but I think this is a good case to bring this to core dev attention...we need to find a better solution _now_ :)
[11:39] <janimo> I'll ping infinity again about it
[11:40] <StevenK> ARGH! mkdirhier is *NOT* in /usr/X11R6/bin
[11:41] <janimo> Riddell, dholbach ping
[11:41] <dholbach> janimo: pong
[11:41] <janimo> dhlobach see above
[11:42] <janimo> do you have an idea what the alternatives name could be for index.html
[11:42] <janimo> in about ubuntu
[11:42] <janimo> right now u-docs and ku-docs use dpkg-divert I think which is messy
[11:42] <dredg> morning
[11:42] <janimo> and with xubu in the mix gets messier even :)
[11:42] <dredg> \sh: howdy
[11:42] <dholbach> janimo: it seems the right thing to do, no?
[11:43] <janimo> dholbach, divert does not work with more than 2 packages
[11:43] <janimo> so it needs to use update-alternatives
[11:43] <janimo> or so I have been told when I asked
[11:49] <janimo> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xubuntu-default-settings/0.2/xubuntu-default-settings_0.2_20051218-2044-i386-given-back.gz
[11:49] <janimo> any idea why this happens?
[12:27] <Tonio_> hi
[12:30] <Riddell> janimo: the i386 buildds seem to be giving lots back these last few days
[12:38] <\sh> Riddell: since you uploaded the kde critical masses :-)
[12:39] <Tonio_> hum
[12:39] <Tonio_> do you think a set of amarok scripts package would be usefull ?
[12:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: if they are useful scripts yes
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: there are LOTS of very usefull scripts
[12:48] <Tonio_> I think it could be interesting to package them by category...
[12:49] <Tonio_> I'll manage to have a look toonight ;)
[01:37] <zakame> wb minghua
[01:38] <minghua> hi zakame
[01:47] <zakame> hi slomo :)
[01:47] <slomo> hi zakame
[02:18] <minghua> does simple-patchsys in cdbs use debian/patches/ as well?
[02:18] <minghua> there is a thread on debian-devel about debian/patches/ directory
[02:18] <janimo> minghua, yes
[02:19] <janimo> if they are called 00_patchname, 01_pacthname2 etc
[02:19] <minghua> a nice oppertunity to advocate #ubuntu-motu-school if I can find the log for \sh's first lecture...
[02:19] <janimo> but no need for a patch index file as with dpatch AFAIK
[02:19] <minghua> janimo: I see, thanks
[02:39] <xerxas> hi
[02:39] <xerxas> is there any reason ubuntu doesn't have /etc/init.d/iptables as debian have ?
[02:41] <ogra> xerxas, debian stable doesnt have this file
[02:41] <ogra> thats been in woody
[02:41] <xerxas> ogra: are there any plan for having it in ubuntu ?
[02:42] <xerxas> ogra: sorry I only work with unstable ubuntu :)
[02:42] <ogra> why should we? debian doent have it either
[02:42] <ogra> there was a SoC project fro a firewall solution which is still WIP
[02:43] <xerxas> SoC == Summer of Code ?
[02:43] <ogra> yup
[02:43] <xerxas> a SoC for ubuntu ?
[02:43] <ogra> there were many  ....
[02:46] <xerxas> ogra: cool
[02:46] <xerxas> where is the WIP for firewall in ubuntu ?
[02:47] <ogra> no idea, look through the wiki for the spec
[02:47] <ogra> i dont know if it was moved to launchpad already
[02:57] <xerxas> ogra: found on the wiki
[02:57] <xerxas> nothing interesting to me
[02:57] <ogra> ah, fine
[02:58] <xerxas> found someone on google who ported the gentoo /etc/init.d/iptables to ubuntu
[02:58] <ogra> but that will be responsible for iptable rules ...
[02:58] <xerxas> I will probably do that
[03:30] <asbin> siretart: I've just saw your comments for my ushare package. Thanks ;)
[03:32] <asbin> siretart: but I disagree with you when you say I should move debian/po in upstream tarball : it's po-debconf l10n files for the debian templates. There's a Debian page about that here : http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/po-debconf/
[03:32] <siretart> asbin: oh, then I mislooked it. I'm sorry
[03:33] <asbin> siretart: no problems ;)
[03:33] <asbin> siretart: we should make a new release of the program soon, so I'll upload the new package with modifs when it's done ...
[03:34] <siretart> ok
[03:35] <asbin> siretart: Thank you for having a look in this package ... we will be very happy when this package will be an official package (3 months after first coding line ;) )
[03:36] <asbin> I don't know what is the next stage for the package been official ?
[03:38] <asbin> I'm sorry, I shouldn't be the first person to ask for that here, but I couldn't find help on ubuntu wiki !
[03:44] <Kyral> Morning MOTU people
[03:46] <minghua> morning Kyral
[03:46] <Kyral> okay...I know that the CC Meeting is tomorrow...but last I checked...there wasn't a time
[03:51] <wBryce_> How do I find out who maintains a package in the multiverse?
[03:51] <Kyral> apt-cache show <package>
[03:51] <Kyral> it will have the name of the maintainer in the data
[03:51] <Kyral> same way you find out who maintains any other package :D
[03:51] <wBryce_> There's been a few people show up on #squeak needing help getting started.
[03:53] <Kyral> Whats Squeak?
[03:54] <jsgotangco> an awesome educ-centric app
[03:54] <wBryce_> An open source Smalltalk.
[03:54] <Kyral> okay...whats Smalltalk
[03:54] <Kyral> sorry I just woke up, no caffine is in my brain yet
[03:54] <wBryce_> It's the host of Seaside, the main open source continuation based web-framework.
[03:55] <janimo> google :)
[03:56] <wBryce_> Squeak's a direct decendent of Xerox's Smalltalk work in the 70's
[03:56] <Kyral> yah...just woke up
[03:56] <Kyral> no caffine yet
[03:56] <Kyral> didja miss that? lol
[03:56] <Kyral> sorry
[03:59] <wBryce_> Any way to find out if a package exists? I've tried searching for it in synaptic. No signs.
[03:59] <Kyral> You mean Squeak?
[04:00] <Kyral> kyral@UltimateInsaneFreedomDestinyDarknessAndLight:~$ aptS squeak
[04:00] <Kyral> squeak-sources - squeak smalltalk system (system sources file)
[04:00] <Kyral> squeak-vm - squeak smalltalk system (virtual machine)
[04:00] <wBryce_> squeak-image
[04:00] <thierry_> any MOTU would like to review my packages? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1245 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1246
[04:01] <thierry_> they are the deps of another package on the universe Candidates
[04:01] <wBryce_> It's not installed. Look's like it should be.
[04:01] <wBryce_> And I can't find the package.
[04:02] <wBryce_> For my own use I install Squeak from source by hand. Just trying to get this sorted out.
[04:03] <wBryce_> The menus are set up to start squeak. Unfortunately the two packages don't include an image (needed) so it doesn't work.
[04:05] <ogra> wBryce_, woks fine here
[04:06] <wBryce_> OK, starting from scratch. Install squeak-vm, install squeak-sources. Where's the image?
[04:06] <ogra> you dont need one to run squeak
[04:06] <wBryce_> I know I can download one from squeak.org. But that's a little hard.
[04:06] <wBryce_> The system is in the image.
[04:07] <ogra> squeak runs fine here and in every edubuntu install if you install the squeak-vm package ...
[04:07] <Kyral> here comes my one annoying msg for 12 hours
[04:08] <wBryce_> There must be an image to run squeak.
[04:08] <Kyral> Could any MOTU give me one more vote on EasyChem http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1166
[04:09] <wBryce_> ogra: Hi, I'm Bryce Kampjes. Thanks for including Squeak in Ubuntu.
[04:09] <wBryce_> Run squeak from the command line.
[04:10] <wBryce_> It should ask for an image.
[04:11] <wBryce_> The squeak-image package doesn't exist in the multiverse.
[04:11] <wBryce_> It's referred to in the package description.
[04:11] <ogra> damned, you are right
[04:12] <ogra> the image was included in the -vm package once, maybe the wrong packae wnet up to the archive
[04:12] <ogra> i'll fix that for dapper, thatnks for pointing it out
[04:13] <wBryce_> Look's like the -vm package was split into three. And only two made it up.
[04:14] <ogra> yup
[04:14] <wBryce_> Where you setting the $SQUEAK_IMAGE environment variable?
[04:14] <ogra> my fault ... it somehow got lost during the 4 weeks lasting discussion if it would get included at all ...
[04:15] <\sh> siretart: do you think the approach is really working?
[04:15] <ogra> wBryce_, i dont think so, in debian systems there is a policy to install the pieces in the right place instead of setting env variables instead
[04:16] <wBryce_> ogra: no problem, thanks for getting it in. It took me a while to talk someone through installing it last night.
[04:16] <ogra> wBryce_, just putting the squeak.image file into  /usr/lib/squeak/3.7-7/, should have solved it
[04:17] <ogra> err, nope, actually wrong dir
[04:17] <ogra>  /usr/share/squeak/ is right
[04:18] <wBryce_> Hmm, strace only shows one attempt to open the image.
[04:18] <wBryce_> That should be in the current directory.
[04:19] <wBryce_> The image is normally modified and saved. It's all your work. It's common to have many copies of it.
[04:22] <ogra> iirc there was a command that generates the image on first startup ....
[04:23] <wBryce_> Probably inisqueak
[04:23] <ogra> but i'll have to look into it again, its more than 7 months ago that i had it in my hands
[04:23] <ogra> ah, yeh
[04:23] <siretart> \sh: they didn't specify a workflow or any implementation yet, just the idea, and what they want to do
[04:23] <siretart> \sh: and I really think it is a good idea, for both debian and ubuntu, so, yes, I think this could and will work
[04:24] <\sh> siretart: I hope...because it will drag away our people if they make it correctly :)
[04:24] <siretart> \sh: and that's why I want to join that discussion and project, so that we (in ubuntu) can and will profit from the results
[04:25] <siretart> dragging people away? so what. thats what some debian is accusing ubuntu ;)
[04:26] <Nafallo> siretart, \sh: you to should stop being the same color :-P.
[04:27] <\sh> siretart: but many people are not going to debian, they are coming directly to ubuntu...because, yeah, because of what? because it's much more relaxed? more fun? more work? more action?
[04:27] <siretart> \sh: I don't think thats a problem
[04:27] <\sh> Nafallo: I'm not a color :)
[04:27] <Nafallo> \sh: no NM, no flamewars :-)
[04:28] <siretart> \sh: I think that is a new possibility to improve both debian and ubuntu
[04:28] <Nafallo> what are you discussing btw? ;-)
[04:28] <siretart> Nafallo: see the current thread on ubuntu-motu@lists.u.c.
[04:29] <\sh> siretart: but only in giving them the opportunity to have packages easily in debian, because the ITP/RFPs are queuing in their bts..and no one will work on them
[04:29] <siretart> \sh: that's not what buxy is talking about
[04:29] <\sh> siretart: quite the opposite in our area..that's what I mean..
[04:29] <siretart> \sh: buxy is talking about collaborative maintenance. A topic which has not been yet widley discussed and coordinated
[04:30] <siretart> but some people are already doing. like us, motus
[04:30] <\sh> siretart: and we should be able to show them the path? ;)
[04:31] <siretart> \sh: no. I think we should work together in finding better paths than we have currently
[04:49] <Kyral> hey dholbach
[04:51] <Kyral> I heard KDE 3.5 is supposed to be something else
[04:51] <\sh> Kyral: no
[04:51] <Kyral> \sh: No? No what?
[04:52] <\sh> it's not something else...
[04:52] <jsgotangco> its an incremental upgrade
[04:52] <\sh> 4.0 will be different
[04:52] <Kyral> ah
[04:52] <Kyral> Oh well
[04:52] <jsgotangco> Kyral, 4.0 is the crack
[04:52] <Kyral> I'm gonna install it just so I'm familier with KDE
[04:52] <Kyral> so when someone asks a KDE question I can stop saying "Sorry I don't know KDE all that well"
[04:54] <Kyral> plus its also a part of my plan to have a "Grand Unified Theme"
[04:54] <Kyral> I want to make all my WMs have the same look+feel as much as I can :D
[04:54] <jsgotangco> Red Hat tried to do that but failmed
[04:54] <Kyral> ah
[04:54] <dholbach> hi Kyral
[04:54] <dholbach> re :)
[04:55] <jsgotangco> they called it  "bluecurve"
[04:55] <Kyral> lol
[04:55] <Kyral> I don't mean exactly alike
[04:55] <\sh> jsgotangco: why they failed?
[04:55] <jsgotangco> Kyral, seriously
[04:55] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:55] <\sh> jsgotangco: it was working
[04:55] <Kyral> but similar enough that if I feel like using KDE one day, it won't take a major change in thinking
[04:55] <jsgotangco> \sh, last i read they're not going to use bluecurve anymore
[04:56] <\sh> jsgotangco: because nobody really liked it..
[04:56] <\sh> jsgotangco: but it was working
[04:56] <Kyral> yah icky bluecurve
[04:56] <Kyral> I like the Milk style themes myself
[04:56] <jsgotangco> \sh, it did work though
[04:57] <\sh> well...the better thing to do is: to make ubuntu things ubuntu and kubuntu things kubuntu...means all themes/styles for kde apps in ubuntu needs to be human and on kubuntu all gnome apps needs to be lipstick
[04:58] <Kyral> lipstick?
[04:58] <\sh> Kyral: check your kde styles and themes..it should default to lipstick :)
[04:58] <Kyral> \sh: Its still installing :P
[04:58] <\sh> (themes == window decoration)
[04:59] <Kyral> Yes I know this
[04:59] <\sh> Kyral: no themes in kde are a package of wm deco, colors and widgets styles normally ...
[04:59] <Kyral> oh
[05:00] <Kyral> well while this is Prelinking
[05:00] <Kyral> I
[05:00] <Kyral> am gonna get breakfast
[05:12] <\sh> grmpf
[05:13] <\sh> donnerstag 11am utc neuer versuch :)
[05:13] <\sh> argl
[05:54] <lucas> What's the status of the i386 buildd problems ?
[05:55] <ogra> http://tiber.tauware.de/cgi-bin/buildlogs.cgi looks fine to me
[05:58] <lucas> yup, but ruby-gnome2 and libgettext-ruby weren't fully built
[05:58] <lucas> they weren't built on i386
[05:59] <lucas> (see http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libg/libgettext-ruby/1.0.0-1/ )
[06:01] <lucas> ogra: http://tiber.tauware.de/cgi-bin/buildlogs.cgi doesn't look fine to me
[06:01] <lucas> lots of failed i386 builds
[06:02] <ogra> oh, yes, the goo old "debhelper is missing" stuff
[06:03] <ogra> but it worked until 1h ago (runit 16:37 UTC)
[06:03] <minghua> so the time for the CC meeting tomorrow is still not decided?
[06:03] <lucas> minghua: seems so
[06:04] <lucas> ogra: builds were failing yesterday
[06:04] <minghua> hard for someone who wants to attend...
[06:04] <lucas> so some builds are missing
[06:04] <ogra> lucas, yes, but the buildds worked during the day today ..
[06:05] <lucas> yup but my question was more: how do I get ruby-gnome2 and libgettext-ruby to be rebuilt ?
[06:05] <ogra> and missing builds will get retried automatically anyway
[06:05] <lucas> ok
[06:05] <ogra> if you are in a hurry, you can ask a buildd admin t kick off a rebuild
[06:06] <ogra> s/t/to
[06:06] <lucas> no, no hurry
[06:06] <lucas> just wanting to make sure they won't get forgot
[06:15] <ogra> lucas, seems i386 is fine again
[07:01] <JohnnyMast> ogra where are the motu tools like lpbugs ?
[07:01] <ogra> JohnnyMast, no idea
[07:01] <JohnnyMast> hmm any one else ?
[07:02] <ogra> \sh_away, could tell you ... or siretart
[07:03] <minghua> JohnnyMast: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-November/012969.html
[07:04] <JohnnyMast> kk
[07:04] <JohnnyMast> checking
[07:04] <minghua> and the parent mail
[07:04] <JohnnyMast> minghua thanks
[07:04] <ogra> ah, minghua
[07:04] <ogra> minghua, do you have an idea about http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21270 ?
[07:04] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug #21270: gnome-cups-add is crashing if uim-gtk-immodule is aktive under non japanese desktop environment Product: Ubuntu, Component: gnome-cups-manager, Severity: normal, Assigned to: debzilla@ubuntu.com, Status: NEW http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21270
[07:04] <minghua> np
[07:05] <minghua> hmm, so I'm GTK IM module expert now? :-P
[07:05] <ogra> hehe ...
[07:05] <ogra> japanese input methods god at least ;)
[07:06] <siretart> JohnnyMast: http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/motu-tools
[07:07] <JohnnyMast> yep :) found it already but thanks any ways
[07:07] <minghua> siretart: would you please send a follow up to ubuntu-devel list saying the repo changed?
[07:09] <minghua> siretart: and with the bzr command to switch would be best :-)
[07:11] <siretart> minghua: huh? what repo changed?
[07:12] <LaserJock> from \sh to siretart I think
[07:12] <minghua> siretart: the mail \sh sent to ubuntu-devel refers to http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools/
[07:12] <siretart> hm, I don't know whether we are diverged or not. Usually \sh and I should have the same contents
[07:13] <minghua> ogra: read the bug report, no clue
[07:13] <siretart> from time to time one of us has a newer commit, but both branches should have nearly the same contents
[07:13] <ogra> ok
[07:13] <LaserJock> siretart: but it is a bit confusing
[07:13] <minghua> ogra: it shouldn't be the same crasher for scim-gtk-immodule, as uim doesn't use c++
[07:14] <ogra> ah, didnt know that
[07:14] <minghua> ogra: I'll see if I can reproduce it, and follow up either way asking for some more info
[07:14] <ogra> thanks :)
[07:15] <minghua> ogra: is there any way to tell if the reporter is using breezy or dapper?
[07:15] <ogra> breezy
[07:15] <ogra> i know him
[07:16] <Gloubiboulga> evening
[07:17] <siretart> LaserJock: you are right. we should finally package and upload it to the archive
[07:18] <minghua> hmm, how to subscribe to a bug in bugzilla?
[07:19] <Am|NickTaken> if a bug in smeg is fixed in the latest release i should close the bug in malone as FIXED, right?
[07:19] <Hieronymus> minghua: add you e-mail to CC
[07:19] <Am|NickTaken> even if that user can't get the latest release without upgrading ubuntu
[07:19] <Hieronymus> *your
[07:19] <Am|NickTaken> also, who do i poke to get smeg removed from malone? it's in main
[07:19] <Hieronymus> Am|NickTaken: it's fixed in dapper, so yeah
[07:19] <minghua> Hieronymus: no I don't wan't CC, I just want to find it easily next time I login, but thanks anyway
[07:20] <Hieronymus> minghua: I make a custom search with things I posted to etc.
[07:22] <Hieronymus> http://tinyurl.com/9mmog
[07:24] <minghua> Hieronymus: that does the trick, thanks
[07:25] <ogra> Am|NickTaken, i usually mark it as fixed and mention the uploaded version that fixed it in the closing comment
[07:31] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: you packaged texmaker, right?
[07:33] <Gloubiboulga> yes LaserJock
[07:34] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: very good, I was just going to do it but you beat me to it :-)
[07:34] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[07:35] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, could you review it then ?
[07:35] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: unfortunately I'm not a MOTU
[07:36] <Gloubiboulga> oops, sorry
[07:36] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: do you use texmaker much?
[07:37] <Gloubiboulga> I've just discovered it
[07:37] <Gloubiboulga> I usually use emacs
[07:39] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: yeah, I usually use emacs/vim but I really liked kile when I used KDE
[07:40] <Gloubiboulga> texmaker doesn't need kde dependencies, only libqt4
[07:40] <Gloubiboulga> it's a good point for non kde users :)
[07:58] <NeTo> hi, I hope my question doesn't sound stupid
[07:59] <JohnnyMast> no question is stupid
[07:59] <NeTo> I have been working for a few days in a package for scilab 3.1.1
[07:59] <NeTo> since the one in the breezy repos looks is very outdated
[07:59] <JohnnyMast> thats because its frozen
[08:01] <NeTo> I meant dapper :p (I'm building it on breezy, but that's another issue)
[08:01] <NeTo> the version in dapper (and debian unstable) is 3.0
[08:02] <JohnnyMast> yeah 3.0.14
[08:02] <JohnnyMast> what does debain has ?
[08:02] <NeTo> the same
[08:02] <NeTo> 3.0.14
[08:03] <JohnnyMast> you should contact twerner@debian.org
[08:04] <NeTo> and last time I read the bug list in debian for scilab the package mantainer was requesting for help to maintain the package. I don't know if I can help mantain the package, but hopefully the new version is working
[08:04] <NeTo> (in my pc at least :p)
[08:05] <JohnnyMast> yes but you could ask him to insert a new version
[08:06] <JohnnyMast> but i dont know if motu can fix packages im multiverse
[08:06] <JohnnyMast> Directory: pool/multiverse/s/scilab
[08:06] <NeTo> ah ok thank you. That was exactly what I wanted to know. I have built the package, but i wasn't sure what to do with it right now
[08:07] <JohnnyMast> :)
[08:07] <NeTo> I'm very new at Linux, so I wasn't sure about guidelines for package inclusion/revision
[08:09] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: MOTUs are in charge of Multiverse too
[08:09] <JohnnyMast> LaserJock alright
[08:09] <herve> hello
[08:11] <Gloubiboulga> JohnnyMast, about permissions trouble on the jargoninformatique directory on REVU, do you know what can I do?
[08:12] <JohnnyMast> Gloubiboulga what kind of permission problems ?
[08:12] <Gloubiboulga> Nobody can enter the source directory on REVU
[08:13] <Gloubiboulga> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1229
[08:13] <JohnnyMast> ooh, no you have to contact some higher hand then me
[08:13] <Gloubiboulga> well, I've just checked, it's accessible now...
[08:14] <JohnnyMast> ok that good news :)
[08:15] <Gloubiboulga> yes :)
[08:16] <JohnnyMast> jeeej
[08:23] <NeTo> I'll write to the debian mantainer of scilab. Anyway, if anyone wants to take a look at the scilab 3.1.1 packages...
[08:23] <NeTo> I have uploaded the debs to http://neto.no-ip.com:8080/Ubuntu%20-%20Breezy/scilab/
[08:23] <NeTo> for breezy
[08:24] <NeTo> I have uploaded the sources to http://neto.no-ip.com:8080/Ubuntu%20-%20Breezy/Sources/scilab/
[08:35] <JohnnyMast> ajmitch are you awalke already ?
[08:43] <sivang> is this normal for the allocator transition?
[08:43] <sivang> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libdar3c2a_2.2.4-2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[08:43] <sivang>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libdar.so.3.0.1', which is also in package libdar2c2
[08:43] <sivang> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[08:43] <sivang> I can just go on and overwrite,
[08:43] <sivang> better check first
[08:44] <sivang> or maybe libdar3c2a_2.2.4-2 needs a conflicts with the old one?
[08:44] <sivang> siretart: ^^ any idea?
[08:51] <crimsun> sivang: yes, it needs Replaces and Conflicts, I'll fix it.
[09:01] <lucas> is the source code of the scripts generating http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ available somewhere ?
[09:02] <sivang> crimsun: cool, thanks
[09:04] <crimsun> uploaded.
[09:05] <minghua> sivang: sounds like a debian bug to me...
[09:05] <siretart> lucas: please ask Keybuk
[09:05] <crimsun> minghua: it's not a Debian bug, it's a Ubuntu bug that I just fixed.
[09:06] <lucas> siretart: ok
[09:07] <minghua> crimsun: so debian never had libdar3c2, I see
[09:07] <lucas> I'm wondering why it so often fails to determine correctly the debian version on which the ubuntu version is based
[09:07] <crimsun> ah crap.
[09:08] <sivang> crimsun: cool even more, I'll wait to see if that fixes instead of overwriting
[09:10] <buxy> lucas: I've hedaerd that it used snapshot.debian.net which lost a big part of the history due to disk failure ...
[09:10] <asbin> siretart: I've just uploaded a new version of ushare ;)
[09:10] <buxy> s/hedard/heard/
[09:18] <minghua> libdar.so.3.0.1 in libdar2c2?  the guy did the breezy transition was on crack...
[09:18] <crimsun> minghua: a bit late for it now but corrected nonetheless
[09:19] <dholbach> have a nice evening, i'm off :)
[09:19] <minghua> crimsun: yeah, glad you noticed that (I didn't :-)
[09:19] <minghua> good night dholbach
[09:19] <crimsun> 'night daniel
[09:19] <dholbach> night you two
[09:20] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[09:30] <ogra> minghua, why would he be on crack ? the debian package is still called libdar2c2 and contains libdar.so.3.0.1
[09:33] <minghua> ogra: I stand corrected
[09:33] <crimsun> he wasn't on crack, he did the right thing by sticking to Debian's lib name and tacking on c2
[09:34] <ogra> yup
[09:34] <minghua> ogra: apparently dar 2.2.1-1 in Debian ships libdar.so.3 in libdar2
[09:34] <ogra> i remember how much time he spent with this beast :)
[09:35] <ogra> minghua, yes, thats what sivang's error indicates ...
[09:35] <minghua> although it's fixed in 2.2.1-2
[09:35] <ogra> there is a replaces/provides missing ...
[09:36] <ogra> or a replaces/conflicts ...
[09:36] <minghua> if \sh back, please accept my apologies :-)
[09:36] <ogra> lol
[09:36] <ogra> dar is evil, dont touch it if nobody forces you ;)
[09:36] <ogra> or you are masochistic ...
[09:37] <Loiosh> Hee!
[09:57] <JohnnyMast> ajmitch , ping
[10:01] <JohnnyMast> any reviewer alive ?
[10:03] <LaserJock> no, some disgruntled wannabes snuck in and slaughtered them all
[10:04] <LaserJock> just kidding of course
[10:04] <crimsun> damned slaughterers
[10:04] <Loiosh>  Heh
[10:04] <JohnnyMast> hehe
[10:04] <JohnnyMast> i got 2 packages ready to rock
[10:23] <dooglus> it turns out my external monitor doesn't go black regularly - it goes black for a second whenever the display changes.
[10:23] <dooglus> any idea what might be wrong?
[11:25] <LaserJock> do you guys happen to know how hard it would be to get a 2.4 kernel running in Ubuntu?
[11:25] <tseng> i think it would be nearly impossible at this point
[11:26] <tseng> all the hardware detection is based on udev
[11:26] <tseng> which relies on sysfs
[11:26] <LaserJock> hmm, ok. Oh well
[11:26] <tseng> if you redid the whole boot infrastructure
[11:26] <tseng> i guess maybe
[11:26] <LaserJock> well, I will just stick to Sarge then.
[11:27] <LaserJock> tseng: btw, could/can you upload my plotdrop package that you advocated on REVU yesterday?
[11:27] <tseng> not the worst thing in the world
[11:27] <tseng> i cant today, no
[11:28] <tseng> ajmitch said there are problems with it and I am leaving town soon
[11:28] <tseng> ask tommorow
[11:28] <LaserJock> hmm, I think he is ok with it now but I don't know.
[11:29] <LaserJock> I am leaving town tomorrow early in the moring
[11:29] <LaserJock> tseng: don't worry about it I will figure something out
[11:29] <tseng> brandon@ubuntu.com
[11:29] <LaserJock> k
[11:29] <tseng> please email package status and ill get to it tommorow
[11:29] <LaserJock> thanks
[11:31] <LaserJock> oh?
[11:31] <Kyral> I passed Calc :D
[11:32] <LaserJock> very good
[11:32] <Kyral> Granted I also pulled a D+ in my CS Class lol
[11:33] <ajmitch> morning
[11:36] <tseng> im off, cya
[11:36] <ajmitch> bye tseng
[11:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch: so do you have a problem with plotdrop or no?
[11:42] <minghua> Kyral: congratulations!  that means you are an official sophomore now, right?
[11:42] <minghua> ;-)
[11:42] <Kyral> minghua: yah
[11:44] <Kyral> Now someone finish off this day and gimme a vote on EasyChem :P
[11:46] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I haven't had time to take a proper look at it, but it does seem to build without killing things
[11:54] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you didn't like the use of $(PREFIX) in the install rule but the upstream Makefile doesn't use DISTDIR
[11:55] <LaserJock> ajmitch: since I am patching the Makefile anyway I can change it if you want
[11:55] <LaserJock> ajmitch: or I can leave it as is for now and promise to change it with the next version ;-)
[11:56] <ajmitch>      it would be nice to have it changed
[11:57] <ajmitch> DESTDIR, btw
[11:57] <LaserJock> right
[12:02] <LaserJock> so generally we want $(DESTDIR)/$(PREFIX) right?