[01:07] <Crackez> so, does anyone else have a Compaq Proliant PL1500?
[01:07] <Crackez> i'm having no end of problems with it and ubuntu
[01:07] <Crackez> it's a dual P3 Xeon,
[01:08] <Crackez> 1GB RAM, Compaq Smart Array RAID controller
[01:08] <Crackez> the network interface won't come up on boot
[01:09] <Crackez> it's a TI ThunderLan integrated on the motherboard
[01:09] <Crackez> the tlan driver loads, but the interface isn't brought up
[01:10] <Crackez> btw, I just installed 5.10, so it's pretty fresh
[01:17] <Crackez> would anyone have any ideas about the network interface not coming up?
[01:19] <Unfun> does it show in ifconfig
[01:19] <Crackez> ifconfig -a
[01:19] <Unfun> yea
[01:19] <Unfun> does it show up as an interface
[01:20] <Crackez> yeah
[01:20] <Crackez> it shows up
[01:20] <nictuku> what mii-tool says about it
[01:20] <Crackez> it is not up however
[01:20] <Unfun> and if you do ifconfig eth0 some.ip.addy up
[01:20] <Unfun> does it indeed come up?
[01:20] <Crackez> i just did this: ifconfig eth0 up && dhclient eth0
[01:21] <Crackez> it works after that
[01:21] <Crackez> it just doesn't come up at boot
[01:21] <nictuku> :P
[01:21] <Unfun> what does /etc/network/interfaces contain
[01:22] <Crackez> hold on, let me install sshd so i can copy/paste the info
[01:23] <Crackez> crap
[01:24] <Crackez> dpkg seems confused
[01:25] <Crackez> i wonder, when I did the install, i used LVM, and it complained that I would have to reboot in order for the devmapper to notice the changes
[01:25] <Crackez> so I did, but it didn't quite reboot, it hung
[01:25] <Crackez> and i'm not sure if I reformatted after the reboot
[01:25] <Unfun> maybe you're still in rc2
[01:25] <Unfun> not fully booted
[01:25] <Crackez> it finished the install
[01:26] <Crackez> and this is ubuntu-server, so it shouldn't drop me into gdm right?
[01:26] <Crackez> maybe i should just reinstall
[01:26] <Unfun> right
[01:26] <Unfun> no gdm
[01:27] <Unfun> unless you install it
[01:27] <Crackez> yeah, you know, the more i think about it, i don't think i reformatted / after the reboot
[01:27] <Crackez> after it complained...
[01:28] <Unfun> arent smart array raid controllers hardware raid
[01:28] <Unfun> why are you doing LVM
[01:28] <Crackez> snapshotting
[01:28] <Crackez> unless it's now safe to backup a live fs...
[01:29] <Unfun> you're snapping to another disk?
[01:29] <Crackez> no, same disk
[01:29] <Crackez> i left 500MB of free space
[01:29] <Unfun> why not let the raid controller just do raid-1
[01:29] <Crackez> cause i have 6 disks
[01:29] <Unfun> ahh
[01:30] <Crackez> and they are only 9gb/disk
[01:31] <Crackez> i have a DAC960 in my other box running kubuntu, it's only got 3 18gb scsi disks, raid0
[01:31] <Crackez> man is it fast
[01:31] <Crackez> regarding the SmartArray, it says it's still initializing the array
[01:32] <Unfun> raid-1?
[01:32] <Unfun> or 5
[01:32] <Crackez> raid4
[01:32] <Unfun> it wont be instant
[01:32] <Crackez> yeah, i know
[01:33] <Crackez> i wouldn't think it would interfere with the installer
[01:33] <Unfun> no it shouldnt
[01:33] <Unfun> just wont be speedy
[01:33] <Crackez> i mean, i've installed CentOS on this machine before while it was still initializing, and it just took a while...
[01:35] <Crackez> i just started a reinstall
[01:35] <Crackez> and the installer activated the network right the first time
[01:35] <Unfun> awh yea
[01:35] <Unfun> this is where you do a little dance
[01:35] <Unfun> and chant "ubuntu"
[01:35] <Crackez> i cant chant
[01:36] <Unfun> stomp your feet then
[01:36] <Unfun> there we go
[01:37] <Crackez> formatting /boot
[01:37] <Crackez> that was fast
[01:39] <Crackez> formatting /, it zipped right up to 79%, and slowed down
[01:39] <Unfun> still doing /?
[01:39] <Crackez> i wonder if thats a good indication of how far along the parity initialization is
[01:40] <Crackez> well, it formated /boot, then I had to do the lvm config
[01:40] <Crackez> now / just finished
[01:40] <Crackez> now it's installing the base system
[01:41] <Crackez> so, this ought to take a little while
[02:30] <Crackez> i wish ubuntu could autodetect smp-ness
[02:30] <Crackez> and isntall the most appropriate kernel
[02:31] <nictuku> that's a must for servers.
[02:31] <Crackez> also, i've had an issue wit 2 raid controllers
[02:32] <Crackez> i have to add the module to the initrd manually before the first boot
[02:32] <Crackez> it's a bummer when it doesn't find the root fs
[02:34] <Crackez> i guess thats not just a server related thing though,
[02:34] <Crackez> i noticed it first with kubuntu
[02:39] <Valandil> f*ankuschel*
[02:39] <Valandil> hupps
[02:40] <Valandil> wrong frame :-((
[03:06] <Unfun> Crackez, yea i had that problem with my install
[03:07] <Unfun> Installed a non SMP kernel on a dual opteron i had.
[03:08] <Crackez> well, i can't even get the machine to boot at all now
[03:08] <Unfun> awesome
[03:08] <Crackez> it hangs somewhere in the boot
[03:08] <Crackez> either that or I get to the login screen and my keyboard doesn't respond
[03:10] <Crackez> i wonder if it could be the crappy onboard video, when it crashes, i usualy get a few odd chars scattered around the screen
[05:34] <Pygi> welcome
[05:34] <FlannelKing> What's the suggested method of dealing with ftp users and web servers, have them upload as www-data? or what? (I'm having problems getting mod_perl to work)
[05:35] <FlannelKing> thanks Pygi
[06:12] <infinity> FlannelKing : www-data shouldn't own any files (except temporary junk create on the fly by CGI scripts) unless you want a world of pain.
[06:15] <Unfun> i want a world of pain
[06:16] <Pygi> Unfun: that's not a polite answer, you know...
[06:16] <fabbione> morning
[06:16] <Pygi> mornin'
[06:16] <FlannelKing> alright, that's why Im asking.  so, what would I set up?
[06:16] <FlannelKing> Heck, which ftp server would be easiest for this?
[06:17] <Pygi> Apache? ;)
[06:17] <FlannelKing> ftp server, apache, eh?
[06:17] <Pygi> heh, sorry, wrong one ;)
[06:17] <FlannelKing> hehe
[06:17] <Pygi> lol xD
[06:17] <Pygi> I am still sleepy, 6:17 AM ;)
[06:17] <FlannelKing> no problem
[06:17] <Pygi> been awake all night ;)
[06:18] <Pygi> VSFTPD
[06:19] <Pygi> mislim da je ovo server, iako nisam trenutno u nista siguran ;)
[06:19] <FlannelKing> yeah, Ive got that.
[06:19] <FlannelKing> hmm
[06:19] <FlannelKing> I imagine that's another language.
[06:20] <Pygi> lol, sorry :/
[06:20] <Pygi> I think it's a server software, altought currently I am not sure in anythin'
[06:21] <FlannelKing> gotcha.  but yeah, vsFTPD is what I have currently.  Just wondering about some of the config stuff and making it work with mod_perl,
[06:21] <FlannelKing> dont know if its my ftp or my perl config that's the problem
[06:24] <Pygi> mod_perl? it's used for apache if I am not mistaken
[06:25] <Pygi> and perl cgi scripts will work even without mod_perl
[06:25] <FlannelKing> no, I know that.  I'm trying to get it to work with apache
[06:26] <FlannelKing> added the AddHandler to my perl.conf, but now I get a 403:Forbidden when trying to access it
[06:27] <FlannelKing> I chmod'd it +x, before that.... hmm, let me undo it
[06:27] <FlannelKing> nope, still 403
[06:28] <Pygi> heh :/
[06:29] <Pygi> what apache and what mod_perl are you using?
[06:29] <Pygi> version?
[06:29] <FlannelKing> umm, 2.0, and... whatever's in ubuntus repos
[06:30] <FlannelKing> or, 2.x (whatver is apache2 in ubuntu)
[06:30] <Pygi>   Apache 2.0 doesn't work with mod_perl 1.0.
[06:30] <Pygi>   Apache 1.0 doesn't work with mod_perl 2.0.
[06:31] <FlannelKing> no, Ive got them right
[06:31] <FlannelKing> libapache2-modperl2
[06:31] <Pygi> installed with apt-get?
[06:31] <FlannelKing> and apache2
[06:31] <FlannelKing> aye
[06:31] <FlannelKing> it came with apache2, I think.
[06:31] <FlannelKing> since, I don't remember flagging it by hand
[06:32] <Pygi> try reading this I guess if you feel upto it
[06:32] <Pygi> http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/install.html
[06:58] <Valandil> OK, n8 guys :)
[06:58] <Valandil> &quit
[06:58] <FlannelKing> anyone alive currently?
[06:59] <fabbione> yup
[07:00] <FlannelKing> woohoo
[07:00] <FlannelKing> Im having a mod_perl/apache problem
[07:00] <fabbione> but i am not sure i can provide any sensible answer before i finish my coffee
[07:00] <FlannelKing> heh
[07:00] <FlannelKing> sensible isn't required ;)
[07:00] <fabbione> is that apache2+mod_perl2?
[07:00] <FlannelKing> yeah
[07:01] <fabbione> hm ok
[07:01] <FlannelKing> 2.0.54 (apache) and 2.0.1 m_p
[07:01] <fabbione> mind to explain the problem or do you want me to dig in the scroll back?
[07:01] <FlannelKing> and, I added the conf and the load file to modules to mods-enabled
[07:01] <FlannelKing> well, they were already added, upon apt-getting mod_perl
[07:02] <FlannelKing> but, it wasnt working (just displaying the file as text)
[07:02] <fabbione> yes i know.. just tell me about the problem :)
[07:02] <FlannelKing> so, I added the AddHandler to the .conf file
[07:02] <FlannelKing> but, now I get a 503 error when I go to it
[07:03] <FlannelKing> I dont know if its a perl/apache problem, or a ftp/permissions/ownership whatever problem
[07:03] <FlannelKing> since, Im not too certain Im doing that correctly either
[07:03] <fabbione> hmmmm
[07:03] <fabbione> why don't you try one thing at a time?
[07:03] <fabbione> like creating a hello world perl thingy
[07:04] <fabbione> with 777
[07:04] <FlannelKing> well, it's uploaded fine, Im just not sure what the owner should be
[07:04] <fabbione> and www-data:www-data
[07:04] <fabbione> just to test
[07:04] <FlannelKing> see, I asked if it should be www-data:www-data earlier
[07:04] <fabbione> and start from there to see when/where it fails
[07:04] <fabbione> no it must not be www-data
[07:04] <FlannelKing> (if my ftp should upload everything as www-data) and someone said that was a bad thing to do
[07:04] <fabbione> but to start debugging with hello world is ok
[07:05] <fabbione> that someone is one of the apache2 maintainer and he is right
[07:05] <fabbione> start as i say :)
[07:05] <fabbione> and slowly restric permissions
[07:05] <fabbione> so you will see where/when it starts to fail
[07:05] <fabbione> again
[07:05] <fabbione> don't use the full code
[07:05] <fabbione> just "hello world"
[07:05] <fabbione> that's safe enough for debugging
[07:07] <FlannelKing> yeah, still a 503
[07:07] <FlannelKing> erm
[07:07] <FlannelKing> 403
[07:07] <FlannelKing> heh
[07:07] <fabbione> did you setup the vhost properly?
[07:08] <FlannelKing> I dont know?
[07:08] <FlannelKing> its jsut plain /var/www
[07:08] <FlannelKing> And I can access other files there
[07:08] <fabbione> it doesn't matter.. cgi and stuff need to go in specific places..
[07:08] <fabbione> i really suggest you to read the documentation
[07:08] <FlannelKing> I did, and did what it said.
[07:08] <fabbione> this is basic apache setup
[07:09] <FlannelKing> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/cgi.html
[07:09] <FlannelKing> that right there.  did the addhandler thing, so I could do it in any directory.
[07:10] <fabbione> check /var/log/apache2/errors.log
[07:10] <fabbione> it will tell you what you are doing wrong
[07:26] <FlannelKing> it says Options ExecCGI is off, but I've explicitly set it on... at least, I think I have.
[07:26] <fabbione> turn it on
[07:26] <FlannelKing> as far as I know, It is.
[07:27] <FlannelKing> <Directory /var/www>
[07:27] <FlannelKing> Options +ExecCGI
[07:27] <FlannelKing> then close directory
[07:27] <FlannelKing> right?
[07:28] <fabbione> Options ExecCGI
[07:28] <fabbione> why +?
[07:28] <FlannelKing> no +?
[07:28] <FlannelKing> because thats what the apache doc said
[07:29] <fabbione> there are examples config files in /etc/apache2/
[07:29] <fabbione> look at them
[07:30] <FlannelKing> ExecCGI isn't in that file at all, and I know what apache conf files look like
[08:41] <infinity> If you're using AddHandler, you're not using mod_perl.  The two are very different.
[08:48] <FlannelKing> then how would I use mod_perl?
[09:55] <FlannelKing> alright guys, I'm trying to get mod_perl2 on Apache2 working... and, I think I have it (I think), except that my perl file prompts for download, instead of running.  What am I doing wrong?
[03:11] <Pygi> welcome matt
[04:19] <mgalvin> hey mario
[04:27] <Pygi> hey matt ;)
[04:39] <Pygi> welcome Unfun
[04:45] <Unfun> Hi Pygi
[04:45] <Pygi> Hi hi
[04:48] <Unfun> Anyone roll out ubuntu-server in production?
[04:48] <Pygi> yes, why not?
[04:48] <Unfun> Me too.
[04:49] <Unfun> I used to have to compile custom kernels to get my raid controllers to work in debian but Ubuntu worked right out of the install iso
[04:49] <Pygi> welcome lamont
[04:58] <Valandil> hi all :)
[04:59] <Unfun> helloo
[04:59] <Valandil> I don't like modular kernels
[04:59] <Pygi> hehe, why not? ;)
[04:59] <Valandil> i always compile new kernel for my servers. Also for ubuntu
[04:59] <maswan> Unfun: well, ubuntu-server as project or ubuntu on servers? we have one 100-node cluster on ubuntu already.
[04:59] <Unfun> ubuntu-server
[04:59] <Unfun> which i guess is the same as ubuntu at the moment 5.10
[04:59] <Valandil> Pygi: security-reasons :)
[05:00] <Valandil> and performance
[05:00] <Pygi> valandil: true
[05:00] <Valandil> Pygi: I do not need stuff like evms od hal on a server with static hardware
[05:00] <Pygi> yup, I know
[05:00] <Valandil> ;)
[05:01] <Unfun> stock ubuntu kernel installed as server seems pretty light compared to other distros
[05:01] <Valandil> yes, I remember, we talked on this topic before ;)
[05:02] <Pygi> Unfun: from daper on, the server will have kernel configured differently then desktop...
[05:02] <Unfun> Good
[05:02] <Valandil> Pygi: raidstuff?
[05:03] <Unfun> speaking of raidstuff, does anything know what cards raidutils package is compatible with for doing actual raid management.
[05:04] <Valandil> Unfun: at least adaptec ;)
[05:04] <Unfun> root@cvs:~# raidutil -L physical
[05:04] <Unfun> Engine connect failed: COMPATIBILITY number
[05:04] <Unfun> I have a Adaptec card
[05:04] <Valandil> Unfun: no, sadly not all adaptec
[05:04] <Unfun> Any way to make it work?
[05:04] <Unfun> 2230S
[05:04] <Valandil> there are some "soft-raid"-Controllers
[05:05] <Valandil> could be, this is such a soft-raid
[05:05] <Valandil> same shit as "soft-modem"
[05:05] <Unfun> define soft-raid
[05:05] <Valandil> the raid-functionality needs driver-support
[05:05] <Valandil> it's not completely included in controller-bios
[05:06] <Valandil> You can set up raid-levels and all in controller-bios, but without the driver, system only recognizes single disks
[05:06] <Unfun> It's quite unfortunate i need to take the box down to bios level to do disk management.
[05:07] <Valandil> I'm not shure, if Your card is one of this
[05:07] <Valandil> Me I tried 4 weeks
[05:08] <Unfun> In the past i've used Dell utilities to do management on the older adaptec cards, but the newer ones arent supported with dellmgr, aka afacli.
[05:08] <Valandil> then, I combined the arrays in bios, and took aic79xx driver plus software-raid
[05:09] <Valandil> so I can manage my raid in runtime, or I can restore a blown up disk also in bios
[05:09] <infinity> The 2230 is not soft RAID.
[05:09] <Unfun> infinity, do you use this card?
[05:09] <Valandil> infinity: OK, thanks :)
[05:09] <infinity> No, but I know adapted products.
[05:10] <Unfun> You know of any tools that will let me manage the card under a 2.6 kernel?
[05:11] <infinity> (hint: anything selling for that price isn't software-assisted RAID)
[05:11] <Unfun> This box is like $5k
[05:11] <Unfun> Card i think is like $250USD
[05:11] <Unfun> somewhere in there
[05:11] <Valandil> infinity: I don't know the price ;) I just looked: the crap was 39320A
[05:12] <Valandil> yes, it has been round about 300 Euro
[05:12] <infinity> Unfun : I'm not sure, TBH, if there are free tools to manage it.  You may be stuck using adaptec's tools, which may also mean using their kernel modules. :/
[05:12] <Unfun> thats what i was afraid of
[05:12] <Valandil> good luck ;(
[05:12] <Unfun> i def don't want to use their modules
[05:13] <infinity> Oh, wait, no.  That one uses the free driver anyway.
[05:13] <infinity> Adaptec doesn't do closed binaries for aacraid, they contribute to the GPL driver in the kernel.
[05:14] <Valandil> cool
[05:14] <Unfun> So i'm still probably stuck using their modules if i want to manage this thing
[05:14] <Valandil> OK guys, got to leave... cu
[05:14] <Pygi> bye
[05:14] <infinity> Don't need to use their kernel sources, just their tools...
[05:15] <Unfun> let me check out their tools...
[05:15] <infinity> Their tools SHOULD work with the Ubuntu kernels.  In theory.
[05:15] <infinity> But, yeah, the "raidutils" stuff only works with the i2o controllers, which this one isn't.
[05:15] <Unfun> ya
[05:15] <Unfun> i was looking on the i20 site
[05:15] <Unfun> didnt see this card
[05:16] <infinity> http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.jsp?sess=no&language=English+US&cat=/Product/ASR-2230S&filekey=asm-linux_v2.12(922).rpm
[05:16] <Unfun> let me alien that
[05:16] <infinity> It's an RPM, but a clever user should be able to alien it.
[05:16] <infinity> Should work for anything in the aacraid series.
[05:17] <infinity> And SHOULD work with our aacraid driver, no need to use adaptec's driver.
[05:17] <Unfun> im going to try it
[05:17] <Unfun> alien is converting now
[05:17] <Unfun> what link did you grab that from
[05:17] <Unfun> this is amd-64
[05:18] <infinity> That'll be an i386 binary, but it should work fine with ia32-libs installed.
[05:18] <infinity> I don't see an amd64 binary listed anywhere on their site.
[05:19] <Unfun> infinity, thanks for the guidance.
[05:19] <Unfun> i appreciate it
[05:19] <infinity> Oh, wait.
[05:19] <infinity> http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.jsp?sess=no&language=English+US&cat=/Product/ASR-2230S&filekey=asm-linux_x86_64_v2.12.tgz
[05:19] <infinity> It's a bit older, though.
[05:19] <Unfun> if its just a management app i dont mind
[05:19] <infinity> Worth a try.
[05:19] <infinity> I'd give both a shot.
[05:20] <infinity> And let me know if both work, or just one, or whatever.
[05:20] <Unfun> ok im giving it a try
[05:20] <infinity> I may look into whether or not we can provide download/installer packages in multiverse for crap like this, so...
[05:20] <infinity> Just ping in channel, or mail me (adconrad@ubuntu.com) to let me know if either (or both) seem to work.
[05:21] <Unfun> ok
[05:21] <Unfun> i will do that infinity
[05:25] <Unfun> crap i need to register to download that
[05:25] <Unfun> and i don't know my serial #
[05:35] <infinity> Let me grab the files with my AdaptecConnect login. 'Sec.
[05:35] <Unfun> awesome, thanks
[05:36] <infinity> For future reference, I don't think you actually need to register a product, you can skip that step, and your account will still work to download anything, IIRC.
[05:37] <Unfun> yep
[05:37] <Unfun> that works
[05:37] <Unfun> http://download.adaptec.com/raid/storage_manager/asm-linux_x86_64_v2.12.tgz
[05:37] <Unfun> that is a direct link
[05:38] <infinity> In that case, I'll let you grab them yourself. :)
[05:38] <infinity> My DSL upstream is crap.
[05:38] <Unfun> ill grab it off the 100mb link at the data center :)
[06:27] <Pygi> welcome ian
[06:29] <ian_brasil> hi
[07:58] <Pygi> welcome matt
[07:58] <Pygi> fabbione:ping 
[11:38] <Pygi> someone took my name in Ubuntu Server Team ^^
[11:39] <Unfun> Mipe?
[11:40] <Pygi> Mario Meyer ;)
[11:40] <Pygi> dang :P He took my name ;)
[11:46] <Unfun> how do you join the ubuntu server team
[11:46] <Pygi> well, you can and you can't
[11:47] <Pygi> you must apply, but you need to speak with members/admin so you can get in
[11:47] <Unfun> how can i find information as to what the team needs
[11:47] <Pygi> well, you ask fabbione once he's here
[11:47] <Pygi> I am a member, but I rather wouldn't go into too much detail ;)
[11:48] <Unfun> alrighty!