=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === Crackez [n=crackez@pcp0011289023pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [01:07] so, does anyone else have a Compaq Proliant PL1500? [01:07] i'm having no end of problems with it and ubuntu [01:07] it's a dual P3 Xeon, [01:08] 1GB RAM, Compaq Smart Array RAID controller [01:08] the network interface won't come up on boot [01:09] it's a TI ThunderLan integrated on the motherboard [01:09] the tlan driver loads, but the interface isn't brought up [01:10] btw, I just installed 5.10, so it's pretty fresh [01:17] would anyone have any ideas about the network interface not coming up? [01:19] does it show in ifconfig [01:19] ifconfig -a [01:19] yea [01:19] does it show up as an interface [01:20] yeah [01:20] it shows up [01:20] what mii-tool says about it [01:20] it is not up however [01:20] and if you do ifconfig eth0 some.ip.addy up [01:20] does it indeed come up? [01:20] i just did this: ifconfig eth0 up && dhclient eth0 [01:21] it works after that [01:21] it just doesn't come up at boot [01:21] :P [01:21] what does /etc/network/interfaces contain [01:22] hold on, let me install sshd so i can copy/paste the info [01:23] crap [01:24] dpkg seems confused [01:25] i wonder, when I did the install, i used LVM, and it complained that I would have to reboot in order for the devmapper to notice the changes [01:25] so I did, but it didn't quite reboot, it hung [01:25] and i'm not sure if I reformatted after the reboot [01:25] maybe you're still in rc2 [01:25] not fully booted [01:25] it finished the install [01:26] and this is ubuntu-server, so it shouldn't drop me into gdm right? [01:26] maybe i should just reinstall [01:26] right [01:26] no gdm [01:27] unless you install it [01:27] yeah, you know, the more i think about it, i don't think i reformatted / after the reboot [01:27] after it complained... [01:28] arent smart array raid controllers hardware raid [01:28] why are you doing LVM [01:28] snapshotting [01:28] unless it's now safe to backup a live fs... [01:29] you're snapping to another disk? [01:29] no, same disk [01:29] i left 500MB of free space [01:29] why not let the raid controller just do raid-1 [01:29] cause i have 6 disks [01:29] ahh [01:30] and they are only 9gb/disk [01:31] i have a DAC960 in my other box running kubuntu, it's only got 3 18gb scsi disks, raid0 [01:31] man is it fast [01:31] regarding the SmartArray, it says it's still initializing the array [01:32] raid-1? [01:32] or 5 [01:32] raid4 [01:32] it wont be instant [01:32] yeah, i know [01:33] i wouldn't think it would interfere with the installer [01:33] no it shouldnt [01:33] just wont be speedy [01:33] i mean, i've installed CentOS on this machine before while it was still initializing, and it just took a while... [01:35] i just started a reinstall [01:35] and the installer activated the network right the first time [01:35] awh yea [01:35] this is where you do a little dance [01:35] and chant "ubuntu" [01:35] i cant chant [01:36] stomp your feet then === Crackez stomps [01:36] there we go [01:37] formatting /boot [01:37] that was fast [01:39] formatting /, it zipped right up to 79%, and slowed down [01:39] still doing /? [01:39] i wonder if thats a good indication of how far along the parity initialization is [01:40] well, it formated /boot, then I had to do the lvm config [01:40] now / just finished [01:40] now it's installing the base system [01:41] so, this ought to take a little while [02:30] i wish ubuntu could autodetect smp-ness [02:30] and isntall the most appropriate kernel [02:31] that's a must for servers. [02:31] also, i've had an issue wit 2 raid controllers [02:32] i have to add the module to the initrd manually before the first boot [02:32] it's a bummer when it doesn't find the root fs [02:34] i guess thats not just a server related thing though, [02:34] i noticed it first with kubuntu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:39] f*ankuschel* [02:39] hupps [02:40] wrong frame :-(( [03:06] Crackez, yea i had that problem with my install [03:07] Installed a non SMP kernel on a dual opteron i had. [03:08] well, i can't even get the machine to boot at all now [03:08] awesome [03:08] it hangs somewhere in the boot [03:08] either that or I get to the login screen and my keyboard doesn't respond [03:10] i wonder if it could be the crappy onboard video, when it crashes, i usualy get a few odd chars scattered around the screen === MarioMeyer [n=meyer@ubuntu/member/mariomeyer] has joined #ubuntu-server === nitestarr [n=knightst@cpe-24-33-15-250.midsouth.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-248-197.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === FlannelKing [n=flannel@crlsbd-cuda5-68-67-177-17.crlsca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:34] welcome [05:34] What's the suggested method of dealing with ftp users and web servers, have them upload as www-data? or what? (I'm having problems getting mod_perl to work) [05:35] thanks Pygi === Unfun [n=Unfun@c-24-5-74-223.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:12] FlannelKing : www-data shouldn't own any files (except temporary junk create on the fly by CGI scripts) unless you want a world of pain. [06:15] i want a world of pain [06:16] Unfun: that's not a polite answer, you know... [06:16] morning [06:16] mornin' [06:16] alright, that's why Im asking. so, what would I set up? [06:16] Heck, which ftp server would be easiest for this? [06:17] Apache? ;) [06:17] ftp server, apache, eh? [06:17] heh, sorry, wrong one ;) [06:17] hehe [06:17] lol xD [06:17] I am still sleepy, 6:17 AM ;) [06:17] no problem [06:17] been awake all night ;) [06:18] VSFTPD [06:19] mislim da je ovo server, iako nisam trenutno u nista siguran ;) [06:19] yeah, Ive got that. [06:19] hmm [06:19] I imagine that's another language. [06:20] lol, sorry :/ [06:20] I think it's a server software, altought currently I am not sure in anythin' [06:21] gotcha. but yeah, vsFTPD is what I have currently. Just wondering about some of the config stuff and making it work with mod_perl, [06:21] dont know if its my ftp or my perl config that's the problem [06:24] mod_perl? it's used for apache if I am not mistaken [06:25] and perl cgi scripts will work even without mod_perl [06:25] no, I know that. I'm trying to get it to work with apache [06:26] added the AddHandler to my perl.conf, but now I get a 403:Forbidden when trying to access it [06:27] I chmod'd it +x, before that.... hmm, let me undo it [06:27] nope, still 403 [06:28] heh :/ [06:29] what apache and what mod_perl are you using? [06:29] version? [06:29] umm, 2.0, and... whatever's in ubuntus repos [06:30] or, 2.x (whatver is apache2 in ubuntu) [06:30] Apache 2.0 doesn't work with mod_perl 1.0. [06:30] Apache 1.0 doesn't work with mod_perl 2.0. [06:31] no, Ive got them right [06:31] libapache2-modperl2 [06:31] installed with apt-get? [06:31] and apache2 [06:31] aye [06:31] it came with apache2, I think. [06:31] since, I don't remember flagging it by hand [06:32] try reading this I guess if you feel upto it [06:32] http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/install.html [06:58] OK, n8 guys :) [06:58] &quit [06:58] anyone alive currently? [06:59] yup [07:00] woohoo [07:00] Im having a mod_perl/apache problem [07:00] but i am not sure i can provide any sensible answer before i finish my coffee [07:00] heh [07:00] sensible isn't required ;) [07:00] is that apache2+mod_perl2? [07:00] yeah [07:01] hm ok [07:01] 2.0.54 (apache) and 2.0.1 m_p [07:01] mind to explain the problem or do you want me to dig in the scroll back? [07:01] and, I added the conf and the load file to modules to mods-enabled [07:01] well, they were already added, upon apt-getting mod_perl [07:02] but, it wasnt working (just displaying the file as text) [07:02] yes i know.. just tell me about the problem :) [07:02] so, I added the AddHandler to the .conf file [07:02] but, now I get a 503 error when I go to it [07:03] I dont know if its a perl/apache problem, or a ftp/permissions/ownership whatever problem [07:03] since, Im not too certain Im doing that correctly either [07:03] hmmmm [07:03] why don't you try one thing at a time? [07:03] like creating a hello world perl thingy [07:04] with 777 [07:04] well, it's uploaded fine, Im just not sure what the owner should be [07:04] and www-data:www-data [07:04] just to test [07:04] see, I asked if it should be www-data:www-data earlier [07:04] and start from there to see when/where it fails [07:04] no it must not be www-data [07:04] (if my ftp should upload everything as www-data) and someone said that was a bad thing to do [07:04] but to start debugging with hello world is ok [07:05] that someone is one of the apache2 maintainer and he is right [07:05] start as i say :) [07:05] and slowly restric permissions [07:05] so you will see where/when it starts to fail [07:05] again [07:05] don't use the full code [07:05] just "hello world" [07:05] that's safe enough for debugging [07:07] yeah, still a 503 [07:07] erm [07:07] 403 [07:07] heh [07:07] did you setup the vhost properly? [07:08] I dont know? [07:08] its jsut plain /var/www [07:08] And I can access other files there [07:08] it doesn't matter.. cgi and stuff need to go in specific places.. [07:08] i really suggest you to read the documentation [07:08] I did, and did what it said. [07:08] this is basic apache setup [07:09] http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/cgi.html [07:09] that right there. did the addhandler thing, so I could do it in any directory. [07:10] check /var/log/apache2/errors.log [07:10] it will tell you what you are doing wrong [07:26] it says Options ExecCGI is off, but I've explicitly set it on... at least, I think I have. [07:26] turn it on [07:26] as far as I know, It is. [07:27] [07:27] Options +ExecCGI [07:27] then close directory [07:27] right? [07:28] Options ExecCGI [07:28] why +? [07:28] no +? [07:28] because thats what the apache doc said [07:29] there are examples config files in /etc/apache2/ [07:29] look at them [07:30] ExecCGI isn't in that file at all, and I know what apache conf files look like === rightcoast [n=rightcoa@234.243.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [08:41] If you're using AddHandler, you're not using mod_perl. The two are very different. [08:48] then how would I use mod_perl? [09:55] alright guys, I'm trying to get mod_perl2 on Apache2 working... and, I think I have it (I think), except that my perl file prompts for download, instead of running. What am I doing wrong? === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.164] has joined #ubuntu-server === beezly [n=beezly@2001:630:63:16:230:1bff:feb7:2528] has joined #ubuntu-server === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-065-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-247-224.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:11] welcome matt === maswan [i=maswan@kennedy.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:19] hey mario [04:27] hey matt ;) === Unfun [n=Unfun@c-24-5-74-223.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:39] welcome Unfun [04:45] Hi Pygi [04:45] Hi hi [04:48] Anyone roll out ubuntu-server in production? [04:48] yes, why not? [04:48] Me too. [04:49] I used to have to compile custom kernels to get my raid controllers to work in debian but Ubuntu worked right out of the install iso === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:49] welcome lamont [04:58] hi all :) [04:59] helloo [04:59] I don't like modular kernels [04:59] hehe, why not? ;) [04:59] i always compile new kernel for my servers. Also for ubuntu [04:59] Unfun: well, ubuntu-server as project or ubuntu on servers? we have one 100-node cluster on ubuntu already. [04:59] ubuntu-server [04:59] which i guess is the same as ubuntu at the moment 5.10 [04:59] Pygi: security-reasons :) [05:00] and performance [05:00] valandil: true [05:00] Pygi: I do not need stuff like evms od hal on a server with static hardware [05:00] yup, I know [05:00] ;) [05:01] stock ubuntu kernel installed as server seems pretty light compared to other distros [05:01] yes, I remember, we talked on this topic before ;) [05:02] Unfun: from daper on, the server will have kernel configured differently then desktop... [05:02] Good [05:02] Pygi: raidstuff? [05:03] speaking of raidstuff, does anything know what cards raidutils package is compatible with for doing actual raid management. [05:04] Unfun: at least adaptec ;) [05:04] root@cvs:~# raidutil -L physical [05:04] Engine connect failed: COMPATIBILITY number [05:04] I have a Adaptec card [05:04] Unfun: no, sadly not all adaptec [05:04] Any way to make it work? [05:04] 2230S [05:04] there are some "soft-raid"-Controllers [05:05] could be, this is such a soft-raid [05:05] same shit as "soft-modem" [05:05] define soft-raid [05:05] the raid-functionality needs driver-support [05:05] it's not completely included in controller-bios [05:06] You can set up raid-levels and all in controller-bios, but without the driver, system only recognizes single disks [05:06] It's quite unfortunate i need to take the box down to bios level to do disk management. [05:07] I'm not shure, if Your card is one of this [05:07] Me I tried 4 weeks [05:08] In the past i've used Dell utilities to do management on the older adaptec cards, but the newer ones arent supported with dellmgr, aka afacli. [05:08] then, I combined the arrays in bios, and took aic79xx driver plus software-raid [05:09] so I can manage my raid in runtime, or I can restore a blown up disk also in bios [05:09] The 2230 is not soft RAID. [05:09] infinity, do you use this card? [05:09] infinity: OK, thanks :) [05:09] No, but I know adapted products. [05:10] You know of any tools that will let me manage the card under a 2.6 kernel? [05:11] (hint: anything selling for that price isn't software-assisted RAID) [05:11] This box is like $5k [05:11] Card i think is like $250USD [05:11] somewhere in there [05:11] infinity: I don't know the price ;) I just looked: the crap was 39320A [05:12] yes, it has been round about 300 Euro [05:12] Unfun : I'm not sure, TBH, if there are free tools to manage it. You may be stuck using adaptec's tools, which may also mean using their kernel modules. :/ [05:12] thats what i was afraid of [05:12] good luck ;( [05:12] i def don't want to use their modules [05:13] Oh, wait, no. That one uses the free driver anyway. [05:13] Adaptec doesn't do closed binaries for aacraid, they contribute to the GPL driver in the kernel. [05:14] cool [05:14] So i'm still probably stuck using their modules if i want to manage this thing [05:14] OK guys, got to leave... cu [05:14] bye [05:14] Don't need to use their kernel sources, just their tools... [05:15] let me check out their tools... [05:15] Their tools SHOULD work with the Ubuntu kernels. In theory. [05:15] But, yeah, the "raidutils" stuff only works with the i2o controllers, which this one isn't. [05:15] ya [05:15] i was looking on the i20 site [05:15] didnt see this card [05:16] http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.jsp?sess=no&language=English+US&cat=/Product/ASR-2230S&filekey=asm-linux_v2.12(922).rpm [05:16] let me alien that [05:16] It's an RPM, but a clever user should be able to alien it. [05:16] Should work for anything in the aacraid series. [05:17] And SHOULD work with our aacraid driver, no need to use adaptec's driver. [05:17] im going to try it [05:17] alien is converting now [05:17] what link did you grab that from [05:17] this is amd-64 [05:18] That'll be an i386 binary, but it should work fine with ia32-libs installed. [05:18] I don't see an amd64 binary listed anywhere on their site. [05:19] infinity, thanks for the guidance. [05:19] i appreciate it [05:19] Oh, wait. [05:19] http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.jsp?sess=no&language=English+US&cat=/Product/ASR-2230S&filekey=asm-linux_x86_64_v2.12.tgz [05:19] It's a bit older, though. [05:19] if its just a management app i dont mind [05:19] Worth a try. [05:19] I'd give both a shot. [05:20] And let me know if both work, or just one, or whatever. [05:20] ok im giving it a try [05:20] I may look into whether or not we can provide download/installer packages in multiverse for crap like this, so... === infinity is heading off to bed. [05:20] Just ping in channel, or mail me (adconrad@ubuntu.com) to let me know if either (or both) seem to work. [05:21] ok [05:21] i will do that infinity [05:25] crap i need to register to download that [05:25] and i don't know my serial # [05:35] Let me grab the files with my AdaptecConnect login. 'Sec. [05:35] awesome, thanks [05:36] For future reference, I don't think you actually need to register a product, you can skip that step, and your account will still work to download anything, IIRC. [05:37] yep [05:37] that works [05:37] http://download.adaptec.com/raid/storage_manager/asm-linux_x86_64_v2.12.tgz [05:37] that is a direct link [05:38] In that case, I'll let you grab them yourself. :) [05:38] My DSL upstream is crap. [05:38] ill grab it off the 100mb link at the data center :) === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-247-224.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === ian_brasil [n=vern@pintada.proamazon.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:27] welcome ian [06:29] hi === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server [07:58] welcome matt [07:58] fabbione:ping === mipe [n=mipe@107-60-124-83.dsl.3u.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:38] someone took my name in Ubuntu Server Team ^^ [11:39] Mipe? [11:40] Mario Meyer ;) [11:40] dang :P He took my name ;) [11:46] how do you join the ubuntu server team [11:46] well, you can and you can't [11:47] you must apply, but you need to speak with members/admin so you can get in [11:47] how can i find information as to what the team needs [11:47] well, you ask fabbione once he's here [11:47] I am a member, but I rather wouldn't go into too much detail ;) [11:48] alrighty!