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| Riddell | mornfall: hi | 01:02 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: i have a progressbar under konsole (which is now hideable) now (it even works)... oh and the download is interruptible and you can cancel media change | 01:03 |
| Riddell | mornfall: wow | 01:03 |
| mornfall | Riddell: and i guess i'm done for 1.88 | 01:03 |
| Riddell | that's really seriously impressive | 01:04 |
| mornfall | Riddell: do we want to upload this to dapper? | 01:04 |
| Riddell | mornfall: ooh, yes please | 01:05 |
| mornfall | Riddell: okey, i will be churning out tarballs in near future | 01:06 |
| Riddell | mornfall: could it be done as a non-native package? | 01:06 |
| mornfall | welll... if someone does it | 01:07 |
| Riddell | I can do it | 01:08 |
| mornfall | on the other hand, i am not completely sure why | 01:08 |
| Riddell | mostly so it's possible to track the diff between debian and ubuntu | 01:08 |
| mornfall | shouldn't that be easier with native package? | 01:08 |
| mornfall | bah what a mess | 01:10 |
| Riddell | well we had that huge diff from utunbu which is much more easier to see if there's a .diff.gz you can just see as being huge | 01:10 |
| mornfall | Riddell: that huge diff was because someone seriously messed up the upload | 01:10 |
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| Riddell | yep | 01:13 |
| mornfall | the problem with non-native package is that you need an upstream tarball | 01:16 |
| Riddell | == native tar minus the debian directory I'd say | 01:16 |
| mornfall | which means either svn2dist (for ept) or autotools (for libapt-front) | 01:16 |
| mornfall | well, right now debuild handles it for me | 01:16 |
| mornfall | i couldn't get autotools to handle libapt-front sanely (because of the nature of testing data) | 01:17 |
| Riddell | but if it's a hassle then don't bother, the main thing is to have a rocking new adept | 01:17 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hiya Riddell, anything you'd like worked on tonight that I could handle? | 01:22 |
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| Riddell | hmm, good question | 01:22 |
| mornfall | what about libapt-front upload :-) | 01:22 |
| Riddell | I don't think seth_k|lappy can upload to main or I'd say yes | 01:23 |
| seth_k|lappy | :P | 01:23 |
| seth_k|lappy | gotta work on MOTU first | 01:23 |
| seth_k|lappy | main later ;) | 01:23 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i'll try to have it uploaded into unstable tomorrow, would that be easier that way? | 01:24 |
| mornfall | Riddell: (libapt-front) | 01:24 |
| Riddell | you could sort out all my girl problems for me, that would be very useful. might not advance the cause of free software much though :) | 01:24 |
| mornfall | girl problems suck | 01:24 |
| Riddell | think up questions for this interview with the valgrind author I said I'd do | 01:26 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: actually most useful thing would be to sort out bug reports | 01:26 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, alright | 01:26 |
| Riddell | although strangely enough people never find that very interesting :) | 01:26 |
| seth_k|lappy | one question about those, then: If a bug is fixed in Breezy, but was reported in Hoary, do we mark it fixed? | 01:27 |
| seth_k|lappy | Even though the Hoary user could never get the new package? | 01:27 |
| Riddell | yes, fixed | 01:28 |
| Riddell | fixed if it's in dapper too | 01:28 |
| seth_k|lappy | ok :) | 01:28 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: and if hobbsee comes online and has time talk her though packaging the new rsibreak version, we'll make a motu of her yet! | 01:30 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I don't think it's any easier if it's in unstable | 01:31 |
| seth_k|lappy | sure thing Riddell, I helped her out with kmymoney2 the other night (even though for some reason she thought you wanted a Breezy package) | 01:31 |
| Riddell | still need to download and merge the changelogs and whatever | 01:31 |
| Riddell | actually if she still has that breezy package get her to put it somewhere, people on the mailing list are quite keen on it | 01:31 |
| seth_k|lappy | alright, I'll see. And if she doesn't, I'll mix one up real fast | 01:32 |
| mornfall | Riddell: owgh.... | 01:38 |
| Riddell | mornfall: hmm? | 01:39 |
| mornfall | i thought syncs from debian were automated | 01:40 |
| Riddell | mornfall: we could do that certainly, it would mean loosing the changelog but I guess that's no big loss | 01:42 |
| Riddell | ah, I see allee has already done rsibreak 0.4 for debian | 01:44 |
| Riddell | mornfall: so tonight or should I go to bed? | 01:51 |
| mornfall | Riddell: go to bed | 02:06 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i still have things to fix | 02:06 |
| mornfall | (not much, but things) | 02:07 |
| mornfall | and i'll go to bed too... i'll probably make tarballs in morning | 02:07 |
| mornfall | gn | 02:08 |
| Riddell | ok, sleep well, looking forward to adept tomorrow :) | 02:10 |
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| Hobbsee | seth_k|lappy: ah, ok, so where should i send it to, and what do i send? just the .deb? | 03:23 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, he'll want source methinks | 03:23 |
| seth_k|lappy | just e-mail him with a link to where the stuff is :) | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | where do i host it? my hoster is down! | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | hang on, is that the same stuff i sent to Riddell before? | 03:24 |
| seth_k|lappy | hmm, did you send it already? | 03:25 |
| seth_k|lappy | [18:31] <Riddell> actually if she still has that breezy package get her to put it somewhere, people on the mailing list are quite keen on it | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | ooh ok | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | seth_k|lappy: i sent some stuff to Riddell - was the 2.0.81.tar.bz2, the .diff.gz, and the .dsc | 03:28 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: ping | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | ok, excellent | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | seth_k|lappy: know where this gets uploaded to? which mailing list? | 03:43 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, I would assume you'd want to send a link to it to kubuntu-users | 03:44 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, don't attach the file obviously ;) just upload it somewhere and link | 03:44 |
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| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, have you verified it runs correctly? | 03:44 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users | 03:44 |
| Hobbsee | ah, i was on the ubuntu one, but not the kubuntu one yet | 03:45 |
| Hobbsee | verified it runs correctly...no, but i should - i'll boot to breezy and try that | 03:46 |
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| Hobbsee | seth_k|lappy: sorry to sound moronic, but i use the deb that i'd created with debuild before? | 03:54 |
| seth_k|lappy | you don't sound moronic, silly. Yeah, that deb is fine | 03:54 |
| seth_k|lappy | we all started somewhere | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | setting up... | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | now i'm seeing why this thing took so long to package! | 03:54 |
| seth_k|lappy | hehe | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | looks nice! | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | seems to work | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | installs fine, works fine | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | *thinks* | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | darn gmail for having no IMAP support | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: seth_k|lappy ok, sent the links to the mailing list :) | 04:03 |
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| seth_k|lappy | hehe | 04:22 |
| seth_k|lappy | poke me when you have questions :) I'd be most happy to help | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | ok | 04:22 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78961 - can we please make this the default in kubuntu dapper? seems really silly that it isnt the default | 07:50 |
| Hobbsee | not sure who needs that suggestion, if you could pass it on, that would be great | 07:51 |
| Hobbsee | the second option of that thread | 07:53 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, the tux cursors? o_0 | 08:15 |
| Hobbsee | seth_k|lappy: no, that howto lets the cursors that you have in firefox and thunderbird be the same as you have in the rest of th system | 08:16 |
| seth_k|lappy | oh right, phew | 08:16 |
| seth_k|lappy | methinks bug, not "missing feature" | 08:16 |
| Hobbsee | probably | 08:20 |
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| Riddell | community council meeting 20:00 UTC | 04:20 |
| jjesse | today? | 04:20 |
| Riddell | wonder if there's anyone we should get going for membership | 04:20 |
| Riddell | jjesse: yes | 04:20 |
| jjesse | hmm didn't have it on my calendar will add it real quick | 04:20 |
| Riddell | just been decided :) | 04:20 |
| jjesse | grin no wonder i didn't have it | 04:21 |
| raphink | Riddell: Tonio_ and I will apply in two weeks I think | 04:23 |
| raphink | (since I was told to wait 4 more weeks last time, and Tonio's wiki is not up-to-date) | 04:24 |
| Riddell | groovy | 04:26 |
| Riddell | raphink: wasn't that maintainership rather than membership? | 04:26 |
| raphink | no, membership | 04:27 |
| raphink | ubuntu membership | 04:27 |
| raphink | we already have maintainership on some packages | 04:27 |
| Riddell | right | 04:27 |
| Riddell | well maintainership being universe upload rights | 04:27 |
| raphink | well you need to be a member before being a MOTU, no? | 04:28 |
| raphink | (indeed, I wish to become a MOTU soon enough after membership) | 04:28 |
| Riddell | yes | 04:28 |
| raphink | Riddell: do you have a few minutes to have a look at autostart please ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1209 | 04:32 |
| Riddell | Riddell: give me half an hour | 04:35 |
| Riddell | jjesse: what's the plan for the desktop guide? | 04:35 |
| jjesse | Riddell: get it shipped for dapper, and finished | 04:36 |
| jjesse | Riddell: we had a meeting scheduled for those interested on sunday but out of the 4 people interested 1 showed up | 04:36 |
| Riddell | hmm, shame | 04:40 |
| Riddell | although, kubuntu takes the lead! | 04:40 |
| allee | raphink: about autostart ... | 04:41 |
| raphink | allee: hi :) | 04:41 |
| raphink | allee: yes? | 04:42 |
| allee | raphink: license is GPL 2 or later but you refer to GPL-2 file. should be GPL | 04:42 |
| raphink | argh | 04:42 |
| raphink | I was told I had to use GPL-2 because it's GPL 2 or later | 04:42 |
| allee | raphink: yes. At least that's what in the diff ;) | 04:42 |
| raphink | now there's a need to refer to policy | 04:42 |
| allee | maybe I'm wrong but I use GPL file for GPL or later and GPL-2 is license restricts to v2 only | 04:43 |
| allee | raphink: my opionion (as written in the license;) is to use whatever /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL points to | 04:45 |
| raphink | mhm | 04:45 |
| raphink | well we had a talk on #ubuntu-motu last time | 04:45 |
| raphink | and I was asked to change it to GPL-2 | 04:45 |
| raphink | but it makes sense if GPL-2 is GPL v2 _only_ | 04:45 |
| allee | raphink: if they advise GPL-2 fine. | 04:45 |
| raphink | while GPL would link to the last one | 04:46 |
| raphink | I'd have to check | 04:46 |
| raphink | not sure this is a big issue though | 04:46 |
| raphink | since it's GPL-2 or later | 04:46 |
| raphink | GPL-2 is fine | 04:46 |
| allee | raphink: yes. feel free to ignore | 04:46 |
| raphink | but I'll look at it some time to find out about policy on this | 04:46 |
| Riddell | allee's point make sense to me | 04:46 |
| raphink | Riddell: to me too | 04:46 |
| raphink | but slomo asked me to change it | 04:46 |
| allee | Riddell: I have strong doubts that sense is anyhow releated to license text (me does not longer expect it ;) | 04:47 |
| allee | raphink: copyright holder but no copyright year | 04:47 |
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| raphink | allee: bottom of the file | 04:48 |
| allee | raphink: forget it you listed it at the end | 04:48 |
| raphink | I never put the year in the copyright holder's field ;) | 04:48 |
| allee | :) | 04:48 |
| raphink | :) | 04:48 |
| allee | mhmm why copyright holder at all at the top? Just curious | 04:49 |
| raphink | it's just the way I got used to doing it | 04:49 |
| allee | ok | 04:50 |
| raphink | ;) | 04:50 |
| allee | raphink: long description. I'm sure you've choosen the right --prefix. so remove it and don't frighten your users | 04:50 |
| raphink | huhu right ;) | 04:51 |
| allee | raphink: remove cdbs_kde_enable_debug = --disable-debug not needed. was/is a old hack | 04:51 |
| raphink | oki | 04:52 |
| raphink | anything else? | 04:52 |
| raphink | :) | 04:52 |
| allee | raphink: suggestion s/when KDE inits (after a login)/ when you login into a KDE session. | 04:53 |
| raphink | Autostart is a KDE control center module to configure which applications | 04:54 |
| raphink | start up when you login into a KDE session. | 04:54 |
| raphink | is that better? | 04:54 |
| raphink | I s/for configuring/to configure/ aswell ;) | 04:54 |
| raphink | I like it better | 04:54 |
| raphink | oh | 04:55 |
| raphink | just discovered dput -s without intending it | 04:55 |
| raphink | ;) | 04:55 |
| allee | raphink: I never trust my choosen english preposition. Ask someone else than me ;) | 04:55 |
| Riddell | raphink: to configure is good | 04:55 |
| raphink | :) | 04:56 |
| raphink | ok uploaded | 04:56 |
| allee | raphink: FWIW: latest watch is at version 3 (you use 2). No idea what changed or what is 3 is good for ;) | 04:56 |
| raphink | oh | 04:56 |
| raphink | ok I'll change it then | 04:56 |
| raphink | very very small change ;) | 04:57 |
| allee | raphink: btw. isn't autostart a too generic term? (like guidance has a pkg kde-guidance?) | 04:57 |
| raphink | so you think I should use kde-autostart ? | 04:58 |
| Riddell | yes, may well need to be kcontrol-module-autostart | 04:58 |
| raphink | i'vd wondered about it | 04:58 |
| Riddell | or kcontrol-autostart | 04:58 |
| raphink | Riddell: it's also for systemsettings i think | 04:58 |
| raphink | for example | 04:58 |
| Riddell | well systemsettings uses kcontrol modules :) | 04:58 |
| raphink | kdmtheme is packaged as such | 04:58 |
| raphink | not as kcontrol-module-kdmtheme | 04:58 |
| raphink | I'm fine with changing the name though | 04:59 |
| Riddell | kdmtheme is a less generic name but might still benefit from the longer kcontrol-module-kdmtheme | 04:59 |
| raphink | would be good to choose a pattern for these | 04:59 |
| raphink | that would be used with all modules | 04:59 |
| raphink | knetworkconf is a kcontrol module aswell, no? | 04:59 |
| raphink | Riddell: actually, I'm also wondering if autostart and kdmtheme should depend on kcontrol|systemsettings | 05:01 |
| allee | raphink: question: are there upstream plans to provide a unified interface to Autostart folder ? kded autostarted services | 05:02 |
| allee | s/?/and/ | 05:02 |
| raphink | no idea | 05:02 |
| Riddell | allee: nothing in progress | 05:02 |
| raphink | ok kdmtheme and autostart should depend on kdelibs-bin actually | 05:03 |
| raphink | since they require kcmshell | 05:03 |
| allee | Riddell: bad! Hiding this techn. details would be a benifit for the user | 05:03 |
| Riddell | allee: well that's not to say upstream doesn't want it, just that nobody has done it, this autostart module should probably be in KDE but now isn't really the right time | 05:04 |
| Riddell | raphink: yes kdelibs-bin for kcmshell | 05:04 |
| raphink | :) | 05:04 |
| Riddell | k3b probably shouldn't depend on kcontrol, all the gnome users complain about that | 05:05 |
| raphink | hehe | 05:05 |
| raphink | doesn't seem very logical | 05:05 |
| raphink | hmm | 05:05 |
| raphink | so what do I go for? | 05:05 |
| raphink | kde-autostart ? | 05:05 |
| raphink | kcontrol-autostart ? | 05:06 |
| raphink | kcontrol-module-autostart ? | 05:06 |
| allee | raphink: chose: my favorite would be kde-login-autostart | 05:06 |
| raphink | hmmm | 05:06 |
| Riddell | hmm | 05:06 |
| raphink | I'd for for kde-autostart | 05:06 |
| raphink | because it's precise enough imo | 05:06 |
| raphink | and short enough to be typed | 05:07 |
| allee | 'k no problem | 05:07 |
| Riddell | I like either kcontrol-autostart or kcontrol-module-autostart. kde-autostart is ok too | 05:07 |
| raphink | Riddell: what's your opinion? | 05:07 |
| raphink | is kcontrol to be abandonned though? | 05:07 |
| Riddell | I don't mind :) | 05:10 |
| raphink | hehe | 05:10 |
| raphink | ok | 05:12 |
| raphink | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1163 has been advocated twice but not uploaded yet | 05:14 |
| Riddell | raphink: actually I couldn't get that working on my laptop | 05:15 |
| Riddell | grub doesn't show the image | 05:15 |
| raphink | really? | 05:16 |
| raphink | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1255 is kcontrol-autostart | 05:16 |
| raphink | gtg now | 05:18 |
| raphink | cya | 05:18 |
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| allee | raphink: autostart: check lintian output (install lintian and use debuild then lintian is run automaticly) | 05:41 |
| allee | raphink: linda has a complain too | 05:42 |
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| allee | raphink: just curious: which svn repo do you use? | 05:45 |
| Riddell | he doesn't | 05:46 |
| allee | Riddell: so svncommit.tmp is from upstream? (strange, I have the feeeling the peo file should also not be there) | 05:50 |
| Riddell | peo file? | 05:50 |
| allee | in toplevel dir of autostart | 05:51 |
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| je4d | Riddell: i just saw the note about a c++ transition on the kde 3.5 packages page.. what transition is that? I thought breezy was already at the gcc 3.4, and that 4.0.x share the gcc3.4 abi | 06:31 |
| Riddell | je4d: the mt_allocator used in libstdc++ has changed | 06:34 |
| Riddell | (I don't know what an mt_allocator is) | 06:34 |
| Riddell | breezy was gcc 4.0 | 06:34 |
| je4d | neither do i.. /me goes to look it up | 06:34 |
| je4d | do you know more specifically what version of libstdc++ it changed in? surely not 4.0.0->4.0.2? | 06:36 |
| Riddell | 4.0.2-4 | 06:37 |
| je4d | cheers | 06:39 |
| raphink | allee: I removed the svncommit.tmp file in my package already | 06:50 |
| raphink | but not in the source | 06:50 |
| raphink | I don't touch the orig.tar.gz | 06:50 |
| allee | 'k | 06:51 |
| allee | and about linda and .mo? (have not looked into it) | 06:52 |
| Riddell | jjesse: I'm going to upload a docs snapshot | 06:54 |
| jjesse | ok | 06:54 |
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| jjesse | Riddell: what docs are you doing? | 07:55 |
| Riddell | jjesse: just whatever | 07:55 |
| Riddell | quick release-notes about about-html server desktop adept | 07:55 |
| jjesse | ok | 07:57 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: will you be around in ~1.5 hour? | 10:03 |
| mornfall | Riddell: in the meantime, you can get apt-front @ http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front/ | 10:07 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i expect to have adept tarballs soon (but i'll have 1.5 hours nap now... since i'm sort of wasted) | 10:08 |
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| Tonio_ | hi | 10:10 |
| Riddell | mornfall: sure | 10:19 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: think I should make robotgeek an op? | 10:25 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, yes, I'd support him :) | 10:26 |
| seth_k|lappy | I see him there a lot, and he's knowledgable | 10:26 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, maybe Hobbsee too, I see her even more than robotgeek | 10:26 |
| seth_k|lappy | she already has ops in #kubuntu-offtopic IIRC | 10:26 |
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| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: she is now | 10:26 |
| seth_k|lappy | ah, alright | 10:26 |
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| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, :P | 11:40 |
| seth_k|lappy | although the best ops are the ones that can stay un-opped and still remove situations, so that's what I try to do | 11:41 |
| Hobbsee_away | Riddell: is there anything in particular you need packaged for dapper, or should i just pick a random package off the suggested packages, if i'm feeling adventurous? | 12:02 |
| seth_k|lappy | brb | 12:02 |
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