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[01:02] <Riddell> mornfall: hi
[01:03] <mornfall> Riddell: i have a progressbar under konsole (which is now hideable) now (it even works)... oh and the download is interruptible and you can cancel media change
[01:03] <Riddell> mornfall: wow
[01:03] <mornfall> Riddell: and i guess i'm done for 1.88
[01:04] <Riddell> that's really seriously impressive
[01:04] <mornfall> Riddell: do we want to upload this to dapper?
[01:05] <Riddell> mornfall: ooh, yes please
[01:06] <mornfall> Riddell: okey, i will be churning out tarballs in near future
[01:06] <Riddell> mornfall: could it be done as a non-native package?
[01:07] <mornfall> welll... if someone does it
[01:08] <Riddell> I can do it
[01:08] <mornfall> on the other hand, i am not completely sure why
[01:08] <Riddell> mostly so it's possible to track the diff between debian and ubuntu
[01:08] <mornfall> shouldn't that be easier with native package?
[01:10] <mornfall> bah what a mess
[01:10] <Riddell> well we had that huge diff from utunbu which is much more easier to see if there's a .diff.gz you can just see as being huge
[01:10] <mornfall> Riddell: that huge diff was because someone seriously messed up the upload
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[01:13] <Riddell> yep
[01:16] <mornfall> the problem with non-native package is that you need an upstream tarball
[01:16] <Riddell> == native tar minus the debian directory I'd say
[01:16] <mornfall> which means either svn2dist (for ept) or autotools (for libapt-front)
[01:16] <mornfall> well, right now debuild handles it for me
[01:17] <mornfall> i couldn't get autotools to handle libapt-front sanely (because of the nature of testing data)
[01:17] <Riddell> but if it's a hassle then don't bother, the main thing is to have a rocking new adept 
[01:22] <seth_k|lappy> Hiya Riddell, anything you'd like worked on tonight that I could handle?
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[01:22] <Riddell> hmm, good question
[01:22] <mornfall> what about libapt-front upload :-)
[01:23] <Riddell> I don't think seth_k|lappy can upload to main or I'd say yes
[01:23] <seth_k|lappy> :P
[01:23] <seth_k|lappy> gotta work on MOTU first
[01:23] <seth_k|lappy> main later ;)
[01:24] <mornfall> Riddell: i'll try to have it uploaded into unstable tomorrow, would that be easier that way?
[01:24] <mornfall> Riddell: (libapt-front)
[01:24] <Riddell> you could sort out all my girl problems for me, that would be very useful.  might not advance the cause of free software much though :)
[01:24] <mornfall> girl problems suck
[01:26] <Riddell> think up questions for this interview with the valgrind author I said I'd do
[01:26] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: actually most useful thing would be to sort out bug reports
[01:26] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, alright
[01:26] <Riddell> although strangely enough people never find that very interesting :)
[01:27] <seth_k|lappy> one question about those, then: If a bug is fixed in Breezy, but was reported in Hoary, do we mark it fixed?
[01:27] <seth_k|lappy> Even though the Hoary user could never get the new package?
[01:28] <Riddell> yes, fixed
[01:28] <Riddell> fixed if it's in dapper too
[01:28] <seth_k|lappy> ok :)
[01:30] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: and if hobbsee comes online and has time talk her though packaging the new rsibreak version, we'll make a motu of her yet!
[01:31] <Riddell> mornfall: I don't think it's any easier if it's in unstable
[01:31] <seth_k|lappy> sure thing Riddell, I helped her out with kmymoney2 the other night (even though for some reason she thought you wanted a Breezy package)
[01:31] <Riddell> still need to download and merge the changelogs and whatever
[01:31] <Riddell> actually if she still has that breezy package get her to put it somewhere, people on the mailing list are quite keen on it
[01:32] <seth_k|lappy> alright, I'll see. And if she doesn't, I'll mix one up real fast
[01:38] <mornfall> Riddell: owgh....
[01:39] <Riddell> mornfall: hmm?
[01:40] <mornfall> i thought syncs from debian were automated
[01:42] <Riddell> mornfall: we could do that certainly, it would mean loosing the changelog but I guess that's no big loss
[01:44] <Riddell> ah, I see allee has already done rsibreak 0.4 for debian
[01:51] <Riddell> mornfall: so tonight or should I go to bed?
[02:06] <mornfall> Riddell: go to bed
[02:06] <mornfall> Riddell: i still have things to fix
[02:07] <mornfall> (not much, but things)
[02:07] <mornfall> and i'll go to bed too... i'll probably make tarballs in morning
[02:08] <mornfall> gn
[02:10] <Riddell> ok, sleep well, looking forward to adept tomorrow :)
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[03:23] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: ah, ok, so where should i send it to, and what do i send?  just the .deb?
[03:23] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, he'll want source methinks
[03:23] <seth_k|lappy> just e-mail him with a link to where the stuff is :)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> where do i host it?  my hoster is down!
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hang on, is that the same stuff i sent to Riddell before?
[03:25] <seth_k|lappy> hmm, did you send it already?
[03:26] <seth_k|lappy> [18:31]  <Riddell> actually if she still has that breezy package get her to put it somewhere, people on the mailing list are quite keen on it
[03:27] <Hobbsee> ooh ok
[03:28] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: i sent some stuff to Riddell - was the 2.0.81.tar.bz2, the .diff.gz, and the .dsc
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[03:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[03:43] <Hobbsee> ok, excellent
[03:43] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: know where this gets uploaded to?  which mailing list?
[03:44] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, I would assume you'd want to send a link to it to kubuntu-users
[03:44] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, don't attach the file obviously ;) just upload it somewhere and link
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[03:44] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, have you verified it runs correctly?
[03:44] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
[03:45] <Hobbsee> ah, i was on the ubuntu one, but not the kubuntu one yet
[03:46] <Hobbsee> verified it runs correctly...no, but i should - i'll boot to breezy and try that
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[03:54] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: sorry to sound moronic, but i use the deb that i'd created with debuild before?
[03:54] <seth_k|lappy> you don't sound moronic, silly. Yeah, that deb is fine
[03:54] <seth_k|lappy> we all started somewhere
[03:54] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:54] <Hobbsee> setting up...
[03:54] <Hobbsee> now i'm seeing why this thing took so long to package!
[03:55] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[03:55] <Hobbsee> looks nice!
[03:55] <Hobbsee> seems to work
[03:56] <Hobbsee> installs fine, works fine
[03:57] <Hobbsee> *thinks*
[03:57] <Hobbsee> darn gmail for having no IMAP support
[04:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: seth_k|lappy ok, sent the links to the mailing list :)
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[04:22] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[04:22] <seth_k|lappy> poke me when you have questions :) I'd be most happy to help
[04:22] <Hobbsee> ok
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[07:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78961 - can we please make this the default in kubuntu dapper?  seems really silly that it isnt the default
[07:51] <Hobbsee> not sure who needs that suggestion, if you could pass it on, that would be great
[07:53] <Hobbsee> the second option of that thread
[08:15] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, the tux cursors? o_0
[08:16] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: no, that howto lets the cursors that you have in firefox and thunderbird be the same as you have in the rest of th system
[08:16] <seth_k|lappy> oh right, phew
[08:16] <seth_k|lappy> methinks bug, not "missing feature"
[08:20] <Hobbsee> probably
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[04:20] <Riddell> community council meeting 20:00 UTC
[04:20] <jjesse> today?
[04:20] <Riddell> wonder if there's anyone we should get going for membership
[04:20] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[04:20] <jjesse> hmm didn't have it on my calendar will add it real quick
[04:20] <Riddell> just been decided :)
[04:21] <jjesse> grin no wonder i didn't have it
[04:23] <raphink> Riddell: Tonio_ and I will apply in two weeks I think
[04:24] <raphink> (since I was told to wait 4 more weeks last time, and Tonio's wiki is not up-to-date)
[04:26] <Riddell> groovy
[04:26] <Riddell> raphink: wasn't that maintainership rather than membership?
[04:27] <raphink> no, membership
[04:27] <raphink> ubuntu membership
[04:27] <raphink> we already have maintainership on some packages
[04:27] <Riddell> right
[04:27] <Riddell> well maintainership being universe upload rights
[04:28] <raphink> well you need to be a member before being a MOTU, no?
[04:28] <raphink> (indeed, I wish to become a MOTU soon enough after membership)
[04:28] <Riddell> yes
[04:32] <raphink> Riddell: do you have a few minutes to have a look at autostart please ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1209
[04:35] <Riddell> Riddell: give me half an hour
[04:35] <Riddell> jjesse: what's the plan for the desktop guide?
[04:36] <jjesse> Riddell: get it shipped for dapper, and finished
[04:36] <jjesse> Riddell: we had a meeting scheduled for those interested on sunday but out of the 4 people interested 1 showed up
[04:40] <Riddell> hmm, shame
[04:40] <Riddell> although, kubuntu takes the lead!
[04:41] <allee> raphink: about autostart ...
[04:41] <raphink> allee: hi :)
[04:42] <raphink> allee: yes?
[04:42] <allee> raphink: license is GPL 2 or later but you refer to GPL-2 file.  should be GPL
[04:42] <raphink> argh
[04:42] <raphink> I was told I had to use GPL-2 because it's GPL 2 or later
[04:42] <allee> raphink: yes.  At least that's what in the diff ;)
[04:42] <raphink> now there's a need to refer to policy
[04:43] <allee> maybe I'm wrong but I use GPL file for GPL or later and GPL-2 is license restricts to v2 only
[04:45] <allee> raphink: my opionion (as written in the license;) is to use whatever /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL points to
[04:45] <raphink> mhm
[04:45] <raphink> well we had a talk on #ubuntu-motu last time
[04:45] <raphink> and I was asked to change it to GPL-2
[04:45] <raphink> but it makes sense if GPL-2 is GPL v2 _only_
[04:45] <allee> raphink: if they advise GPL-2 fine.
[04:46] <raphink> while GPL would link to the last one
[04:46] <raphink> I'd have to check
[04:46] <raphink> not sure this is a big issue though
[04:46] <raphink> since it's GPL-2 or later
[04:46] <raphink> GPL-2 is fine
[04:46] <allee> raphink: yes. feel free to ignore 
[04:46] <raphink> but I'll look at it some time to find out about policy on this
[04:46] <Riddell> allee's point make sense to me
[04:46] <raphink> Riddell: to me too
[04:46] <raphink> but slomo asked me to change it 
[04:47] <allee> Riddell: I have strong doubts that sense is anyhow releated to license text (me does not longer expect it ;)
[04:47] <allee> raphink: copyright holder but no copyright year
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[04:48] <raphink> allee: bottom of the file
[04:48] <allee> raphink: forget it you listed it at the end
[04:48] <raphink> I never put the year in the copyright holder's field ;)
[04:48] <allee> :)
[04:48] <raphink> :)
[04:49] <allee> mhmm why copyright holder at all at the top?  Just curious
[04:49] <raphink> it's just the way I got used to doing it
[04:50] <allee> ok
[04:50] <raphink> ;)
[04:50] <allee> raphink: long description.  I'm sure you've choosen the right --prefix.  so remove it and don't frighten your users
[04:51] <raphink> huhu right ;)
[04:51] <allee> raphink: remove cdbs_kde_enable_debug = --disable-debug  not needed. was/is a old hack
[04:52] <raphink> oki
[04:52] <raphink> anything else?
[04:52] <raphink> :)
[04:53] <allee> raphink: suggestion s/when KDE inits (after a login)/ when you login into a KDE session.
[04:54] <raphink>  Autostart is a KDE control center module to configure which applications
[04:54] <raphink>  start up when you login into a KDE session.
[04:54] <raphink> is that better?
[04:54] <raphink> I s/for configuring/to configure/ aswell ;)
[04:54] <raphink> I like it better
[04:55] <raphink> oh
[04:55] <raphink> just discovered dput -s without intending it
[04:55] <raphink> ;)
[04:55] <allee> raphink: I never trust my choosen english preposition. Ask someone else than me ;)
[04:55] <Riddell> raphink: to configure is good
[04:56] <raphink> :)
[04:56] <raphink> ok uploaded
[04:56] <allee> raphink: FWIW: latest watch  is at version 3 (you use 2).  No idea what changed or what is 3 is good for ;)
[04:56] <raphink> oh 
[04:56] <raphink> ok I'll change it then
[04:57] <raphink> very very small change ;)
[04:57] <allee> raphink: btw. isn't autostart a too generic term?  (like guidance has a pkg kde-guidance?)
[04:58] <raphink> so you think I should use kde-autostart ?
[04:58] <Riddell> yes, may well need to be kcontrol-module-autostart
[04:58] <raphink> i'vd wondered about it
[04:58] <Riddell> or kcontrol-autostart
[04:58] <raphink> Riddell: it's also for systemsettings i think
[04:58] <raphink> for example
[04:58] <Riddell> well systemsettings uses kcontrol modules :)
[04:58] <raphink> kdmtheme is packaged as such
[04:58] <raphink> not as kcontrol-module-kdmtheme
[04:59] <raphink> I'm fine with changing the name though
[04:59] <Riddell> kdmtheme is a less generic name but might still benefit from the longer kcontrol-module-kdmtheme
[04:59] <raphink> would be good to choose a pattern for these
[04:59] <raphink> that would be used with all modules
[04:59] <raphink> knetworkconf is a kcontrol module aswell, no?
[05:01] <raphink> Riddell: actually, I'm also wondering if autostart and kdmtheme should depend on kcontrol|systemsettings
[05:02] <allee> raphink: question: are there upstream plans to provide a unified interface to Autostart folder ? kded autostarted services
[05:02] <allee> s/?/and/
[05:02] <raphink> no idea
[05:02] <Riddell> allee: nothing in progress
[05:03] <raphink> ok kdmtheme and autostart should depend on kdelibs-bin actually
[05:03] <raphink> since they require kcmshell
[05:03] <allee> Riddell: bad! Hiding this techn. details would be a benifit for the user
[05:04] <Riddell> allee: well that's not to say upstream doesn't want it, just that nobody has done it, this autostart module should probably be in KDE but now isn't really the right time
[05:04] <Riddell> raphink: yes kdelibs-bin for kcmshell
[05:04] <raphink> :)
[05:05] <Riddell> k3b probably shouldn't depend on kcontrol, all the gnome users complain about that
[05:05] <raphink> hehe
[05:05] <raphink> doesn't seem very logical
[05:05] <raphink> hmm
[05:05] <raphink> so what do I go for?
[05:05] <raphink> kde-autostart ?
[05:06] <raphink> kcontrol-autostart ?
[05:06] <raphink> kcontrol-module-autostart ?
[05:06] <allee> raphink: chose:  my favorite would be kde-login-autostart
[05:06] <raphink> hmmm
[05:06] <Riddell> hmm
[05:06] <raphink> I'd for for kde-autostart
[05:06] <raphink> because it's precise enough imo
[05:07] <raphink> and short enough to be typed 
[05:07] <allee> 'k no problem
[05:07] <Riddell> I like either kcontrol-autostart or kcontrol-module-autostart.  kde-autostart is ok too
[05:07] <raphink> Riddell: what's your opinion?
[05:07] <raphink> is kcontrol to be abandonned though?
[05:10] <Riddell> I don't mind :)
[05:10] <raphink> hehe
[05:12] <raphink> ok
[05:14] <raphink> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1163 has been advocated twice but not uploaded yet
[05:15] <Riddell> raphink: actually I couldn't get that working on my laptop
[05:15] <Riddell> grub doesn't show the image
[05:16] <raphink> really?
[05:16] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1255 is kcontrol-autostart
[05:18] <raphink> gtg now
[05:18] <raphink> cya
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[05:41] <allee> raphink: autostart: check lintian output  (install lintian and use debuild then lintian is run automaticly)
[05:42] <allee> raphink: linda has a complain too
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[05:45] <allee> raphink: just curious: which svn repo do you use?
[05:46] <Riddell> he doesn't
[05:50] <allee> Riddell: so svncommit.tmp is from upstream?  (strange, I have the feeeling the peo file should also not be there)
[05:50] <Riddell> peo file?
[05:51] <allee> in toplevel dir of autostart
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[06:31] <je4d> Riddell: i just saw the note about a c++ transition on the kde 3.5 packages page.. what transition is that? I thought breezy was already at the gcc 3.4, and that 4.0.x share the gcc3.4 abi
[06:34] <Riddell> je4d: the mt_allocator used in libstdc++ has changed
[06:34] <Riddell> (I don't know what an mt_allocator is)
[06:34] <Riddell> breezy was gcc 4.0
[06:34] <je4d> neither do i.. /me goes to look it up
[06:36] <je4d> do you know more specifically what version of libstdc++ it changed in? surely not 4.0.0->4.0.2?
[06:37] <Riddell> 4.0.2-4
[06:39] <je4d> cheers
[06:50] <raphink> allee: I removed the svncommit.tmp file in my package already
[06:50] <raphink> but not in the source
[06:50] <raphink> I don't touch the orig.tar.gz
[06:51] <allee> 'k
[06:52] <allee> and about linda and .mo?  (have not looked into it)
[06:54] <Riddell> jjesse: I'm going to upload a docs snapshot
[06:54] <jjesse> ok
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[07:55] <jjesse> Riddell: what docs are you doing?
[07:55] <Riddell> jjesse: just whatever
[07:55] <Riddell> quick release-notes about about-html server desktop adept
[07:57] <jjesse> ok
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[10:03] <mornfall> Riddell: will you be around in ~1.5 hour?
[10:07] <mornfall> Riddell: in the meantime, you can get apt-front @ http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front/
[10:08] <mornfall> Riddell: i expect to have adept tarballs soon (but i'll have 1.5 hours nap now... since i'm sort of wasted)
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[10:10] <Tonio_> hi
[10:19] <Riddell> mornfall: sure
[10:25] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: think I should make robotgeek an op?
[10:26] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, yes, I'd support him :)
[10:26] <seth_k|lappy> I see him there a lot, and he's knowledgable
[10:26] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, maybe Hobbsee too, I see her even more than robotgeek
[10:26] <seth_k|lappy> she already has ops in #kubuntu-offtopic IIRC
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[10:26] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: she is now
[10:26] <seth_k|lappy> ah, alright
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=== Riddell gives seth_k|lappy op-of-the-day star
[11:40] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, :P
[11:41] <seth_k|lappy> although the best ops are the ones that can stay un-opped and still remove situations, so that's what I try to do
[12:02] <Hobbsee_away> Riddell: is there anything in particular you need packaged for dapper, or should i just pick a random package off the suggested packages, if i'm feeling adventurous?
[12:02] <seth_k|lappy> brb