| ajmitch | something like that, though you can probably drop the / in between | 12:02 |
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| ajmitch | bbl | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | or should I get rid of $(PREFIX) altogether? | 12:02 |
| poningru | guys question is rufus in the repos for dapper? | 12:17 |
| poningru | http://rufus.sourceforge.net/index.php | 12:17 |
| eruin | poningru, no | 12:21 |
| poningru | eruin: is it just that no one has packaged it or...? | 12:21 |
| eruin | I haven't seen any talk about it and it isn't in the dapper repos atm | 12:22 |
| eruin | but then I'm not a dev either ;) | 12:22 |
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| Kyral | hello | 12:23 |
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| minghua | they had an interview for the Debian KDE maintainer group, I suppose one for Kubuntu people will follow soon? | 12:33 |
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| Kyral | hmm | 12:43 |
| Kyral | anyone know of a good package that has an example postinst file? | 12:44 |
| Kyral | or tell me how one is layed out? | 12:47 |
| Kyral | ... | 12:48 |
| minghua | many postinst files are auto-generated by debhelper | 12:48 |
| Kyral | yah well, I need to custom one | 12:48 |
| minghua | the one for gcc is hand-written and looks very good to me | 12:48 |
| minghua | and short | 12:48 |
| Kyral | I'm customizing OpenAFS for my Linux Lab and basically need to wget all the config files from our server on install | 12:49 |
| minghua | but I don't really understand the question, it's just a shell script | 12:49 |
| Kyral | Thank you thats all I needed to know :D | 12:49 |
| minghua | or maybe even any script | 12:49 |
| Kyral | its a Bash Script :D | 12:49 |
| Kyral | Backup the default install files, wget the config files | 12:50 |
| Kyral | on Remove restore the changed files | 12:50 |
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| Kyral | oh sweet | 12:55 |
| Kyral | openafs already has postinst | 12:55 |
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| poningru | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=3ab98d4e1bee47890a8df8eaf101f2df&t=57590&page=2 | 01:17 |
| poningru | how come rufus is not in the repos? | 01:17 |
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| LaserJock | poningru: because Debian doesn't have it? | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | poningru: there is a rufus package on REVU | 01:20 |
| poningru | oh ok | 01:20 |
| poningru | doh | 01:21 |
| poningru | I could have sworn I searched there | 01:21 |
| poningru | sorry about that | 01:21 |
| StevenK | Any MOTU around? | 01:23 |
| lifeless | whats the question? | 01:23 |
| Kyral | 10 bucks says he wants a package reviewed :P | 01:24 |
| StevenK | Actually, I'd like a package uploaded. | 01:24 |
| Kyral | lol | 01:25 |
| === seth_k|lappy pokes Kyral for the 10 bucks, you were wrong | ||
| Kyral | yah yah | 01:26 |
| StevenK | wnn6-sdk 1.0.0-13 was autosync'd, and it doesn't build due to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config moving. I've got a 4K debdiff that fixes the FTBFS. | 01:26 |
| === Kyral gives seth_k|lappy 10 bucks | ||
| seth_k|lappy | sweet, I can eat tomorrow | 01:26 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: where's the diff? | 01:26 |
| StevenK | http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/wnn6-sdk_1.0.0-13ubuntu1.debdiff | 01:26 |
| Mithrandir | you're whitelisted in the katie setup, right? | 01:29 |
| StevenK | I am. | 01:29 |
| StevenK | I just need to attend a TB meeting and beg for upload rights. :-) | 01:29 |
| Mithrandir | uploaded | 01:29 |
| Mithrandir | fuck | 01:29 |
| StevenK | (And get my u.c address, but that's another problem.) | 01:29 |
| Mithrandir | why is it a native package? | 01:29 |
| Mithrandir | please kick the Debian maintainer to have that fixed. | 01:30 |
| Kyral | StevenK: you dont have your @ubuntu yet either? | 01:30 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: I shall. I was going to file my patch in the BTS | 01:30 |
| StevenK | Kyral: Nope. | 01:30 |
| StevenK | Well, at least I don't think so. | 01:30 |
| Kyral | StevenK: join me in pinging elmo tomorrow after the CC Meeting ;P | 01:30 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: it's probably an oversight on his part. Anyway, it's already uploaded, so. | 01:30 |
| Kyral | Mithrandir: you MOTU? | 01:31 |
| === StevenK just checked - still no. | ||
| StevenK | Kyral: When is the CC meeting? | 01:31 |
| Kyral | StevenK: Tomorrow....no time yet | 01:31 |
| Mithrandir | Kyral: no. :-) | 01:31 |
| StevenK | Yeah, that happened with the TB meeting, and I missed it. | 01:32 |
| Kyral | StevenK: I'll just idle in there all day lol | 01:32 |
| Mithrandir | Kyral: I predate the MOTU structure. ;-) | 01:32 |
| Kyral | this is miffing me now | 01:32 |
| Kyral | I have a package on REVU that only needs one more vote | 01:32 |
| Mithrandir | that is, I was one of the people who were present when we came up with the name etc. | 01:32 |
| Kyral | damn you are an old timer lol | 01:32 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: Thanks, I just got the katie mail. | 01:33 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: woo katie. :-) | 01:33 |
| Kyral | who is katie? </Dumb Question> | 01:33 |
| StevenK | The archive scripts. | 01:34 |
| Mithrandir | Kyral: the program which sends you email when you upload something. | 01:34 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: next time, I'd love it if you didn't have absolute paths in your patches, since patch -p didn't cope well with it. | 01:34 |
| Kyral | oh I was thinking it was a real person | 01:34 |
| seth_k|lappy | lol | 01:34 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: Blame debdiff | 01:34 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: use interdiff instead. :-) | 01:34 |
| minghua | debian use girl names for their infrastructure script names | 01:34 |
| Kyral | ah | 01:34 |
| Mithrandir | minghua: for now. They're going away, though. | 01:35 |
| StevenK | Well, to be pedantic, jennifer sends the email, since katie is just a library now. | 01:35 |
| Kyral | I'd love to upload a new version of EasyChem with my @ubuntu lol | 01:35 |
| minghua | Mithrandir: yeah, dak is supposed to supersede quite a few girls, but I suppose not all? | 01:35 |
| Mithrandir | minghua: dak is just a name for the whole suite of scripts. | 01:36 |
| Mithrandir | but yes, there'll be a dak $foo command | 01:36 |
| Mithrandir | I thought they all were going away, but I haven't watched that space closely. | 01:36 |
| Mithrandir | also, people tend to use the name katie and dak somewhat interchangeably. | 01:36 |
| minghua | well, as you said, the name will become a command anyway | 01:37 |
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| zul | hey | 01:47 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 01:48 |
| Kyral | hey | 01:49 |
| minghua | hi zul, sistpoty | 01:52 |
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| lifeless | hmm | 02:38 |
| lifeless | stumbleupon broken :[ | 02:38 |
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| seth_k|lappy | Can a MOTU push this tiny little upload for me? It just adds a Categories line to a .desktop file. It's https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qt-x11-free/+bug/5817 | 02:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug #5817: x11-free (Ubuntu) - qt3-designer: missing category in .desktop file In: qt-x11-free (Ubuntu), Severity: Minor, Assigned to: Kubuntu Team, Status: PendingUpload https://launchpad.net/bugs/5817 | 02:49 |
| sistpoty | seth_k|lappy: I'll take a look | 02:52 |
| seth_k|lappy | thanks sistpoty :) | 02:52 |
| sistpoty | seth_k|lappy: nope, can't do that... this is a main package | 02:53 |
| raphink | hi sistpoty :) | 02:54 |
| sistpoty | hi raphink | 02:54 |
| raphink | sistpoty: would you have time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1105 too ? | 02:54 |
| seth_k|lappy | sistpoty, um, I thought it said universe... Filename: pool/universe/q/qt-x11-free/qt3-designer_3.3.5-1ubuntu4_i386.deb | 02:54 |
| sistpoty | seth_k|lappy: ah, k... I just looked at bug title | 02:54 |
| sistpoty | raphink: it's in the q ;) | 02:54 |
| seth_k|lappy | phew, you scared me for a second sistpoty ;) I thought I messed up again | 02:55 |
| raphink | sistpoty: oh you plan a q for your reviews ? :) | 02:55 |
| sistpoty | no... q for my work-queue ;) | 02:55 |
| raphink | huuu | 02:55 |
| === raphink thinks it's time for bed ... may be why /me doesn't understand everything | ||
| sistpoty | hehe... /me is a little bit tired as well | 02:56 |
| sistpoty | seth_k|lappy: phew... that' | 02:56 |
| sistpoty | +s a 17mb source package... maybe I'll do that tomorrow | 02:57 |
| seth_k|lappy | np, should I assign it to a different team than Kubuntu team so you remember? | 02:57 |
| seth_k|lappy | or is it okay, you'll just put it in the queue ;) | 02:58 |
| sistpoty | seth_k|lappy: args... wrong again... I just downloaded qt-x11-free :/ | 02:59 |
| seth_k|lappy | no sistpoty, that's right | 03:00 |
| seth_k|lappy | qt3-designer is provided by qt-x11-free | 03:00 |
| seth_k|lappy | there are several apps in that source package | 03:00 |
| seth_k|lappy | oh wait, but you downloaded the whole... never mind :P | 03:00 |
| seth_k|lappy | hehe | 03:00 |
| sistpoty | seth_k|lappy: hm... but qt-x11-free *is* in main | 03:01 |
| seth_k|lappy | ahhhhhh | 03:01 |
| seth_k|lappy | confusing | 03:01 |
| seth_k|lappy | :) | 03:01 |
| minghua | universe binary package from main source, it seems? :-) | 03:01 |
| sistpoty | yep | 03:01 |
| raphink | oo | 03:02 |
| raphink | intersting | 03:02 |
| raphink | didn't know that could happen | 03:02 |
| raphink | ;) | 03:02 |
| seth_k|lappy | I dunno, I can't even find qt-x11-free on packages.ubuntu.com | 03:02 |
| raphink | obviously the opposite couldn't be | 03:02 |
| seth_k|lappy | I didn't know you could do that either | 03:02 |
| minghua | Hmm, SVK is apparently quite buggy | 03:03 |
| raphink | having the source in universe building packages in main would break the system logic | 03:03 |
| raphink | s/system logic/logic of the system/ | 03:03 |
| seth_k|lappy | okay, well thank you anyways sistpoty, for taking time for me :) | 03:03 |
| sistpoty | np seth_k|lappy | 03:03 |
| minghua | seth_k|lappy: I suppose you didn't check the "source packages" checkbox :-) | 03:03 |
| seth_k|lappy | minghua, yeah, I found it afterwards | 03:04 |
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| seth_k|lappy | ooh, hi SloMoSnail, did you ever have a chance to REVU kmobiletools? ;) | 03:05 |
| raphink | hi SloMoSnail | 03:05 |
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| sistpoty | raphink: kyamo looks nice... if it builds well, I'll upload it | 03:19 |
| raphink | ok :) | 03:19 |
| raphink | I've got autostart too : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1209 | 03:19 |
| raphink | quite small | 03:19 |
| raphink | ;) | 03:19 |
| sistpoty | btw.: raphink: is software on kde-apps listed permanently? if not, it might be prudent to update the link in copyright to sourceforge | 03:20 |
| raphink | they are listed permanently as far as i know | 03:21 |
| raphink | only there are filters | 03:21 |
| sistpoty | ah, ok :) | 03:21 |
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| raphink | mostly on the opinion on apps | 03:22 |
| seth_k|lappy | sistpoty, if you have time again, package "kmobiletools" on REVU needs review+advocates (Riddell already advocated) | 03:22 |
| raphink | but there's often more chances to find an app on kde-apps when it has been there | 03:22 |
| raphink | than to be sure the website still exists | 03:22 |
| raphink | for small projects | 03:22 |
| sistpoty | I really like the screenshots there :) | 03:22 |
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| sistpoty | seth_k|lappy: ok, I'll take a look... | 03:23 |
| seth_k|lappy | thanks :) | 03:23 |
| Kyral | anyone know if the Prism2 wireless chipset is supported in the kernel? | 03:24 |
| raphink | hi ajmitch | 03:24 |
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| raphink | sistpoty: you mean on kde-apps? | 03:25 |
| sistpoty | raphink: yep | 03:25 |
| === raphink thinks a new version of debs should contain small screenshots | ||
| raphink | so users can see what apps look like from adept or synaptic | 03:25 |
| === raphink loves to see what apps look like before using them | ||
| raphink | it often helps me better to understand wht they do | 03:26 |
| raphink | than the description that is given | 03:26 |
| bmonty | raphink: what about console apps? | 03:26 |
| raphink | even a screenshot of a console app makes me happy | 03:26 |
| raphink | because I ccan just see what kind of output I can expect | 03:26 |
| seth_k|lappy | well you're just easy to please then :) | 03:26 |
| raphink | from what kind of arguments given | 03:26 |
| raphink | seth_k|lappy: there's nothing wrong with this :) | 03:27 |
| seth_k|lappy | nope ;) | 03:27 |
| desrt | raphink; the .deb is downloaded only after you decide to install the package | 03:27 |
| raphink | desrt: yes I know that, so then a database linked to Packages.gz is what I meant ;) | 03:27 |
| desrt | raphink; for what you're suggesting you'd need a screenshot server or something (since screenshots are definitely too large to include inside the apt data) | 03:27 |
| raphink | sorry for the confusion | 03:27 |
| hub | Kyral: prism2 should work out of the box | 03:28 |
| raphink | the apt data could contain links to screenshots | 03:28 |
| Kyral | hub: tell that to my friend in #ubuntu | 03:28 |
| raphink | that woudl then be loaded from the server in adept/synaptic | 03:28 |
| bmonty | hopefully it only grabs the screenshot when you want to look at it! | 03:28 |
| raphink | just an idea though ;) | 03:28 |
| hub | Kyral: I'm not on #ubuntu | 03:28 |
| Kyral | hub: said that the 2.4 kernel of DSL picked it up but the 2.6 didn't | 03:28 |
| Kyral | hub: whats the module name if you know | 03:29 |
| raphink | desrt: i've got some ideas on what the future of such apps could be | 03:29 |
| raphink | more like finkkommander imo | 03:29 |
| raphink | and using translations too | 03:29 |
| raphink | so you don't have to understand english in order to find the app you need | 03:29 |
| hub | Kyral: prism2 | 03:29 |
| desrt | ah. like translated package names? | 03:29 |
| desrt | or just translated descriptions? | 03:30 |
| bmonty | brb | 03:30 |
| raphink | translated descriptions desrt | 03:30 |
| minghua | the problem with localized package description is never the package manager (apt supports it now for that matter), but the translations of the descriptions themselves | 03:30 |
| desrt | it's a shame that translation is an n*m problem | 03:30 |
| raphink | using multiple entries in debian/control for example | 03:30 |
| raphink | minghua there could be a way of translating descriptions using rosetta maybe | 03:31 |
| raphink | although i have no idea how easy it would be to adapt rosetta to translating debian/control files | 03:31 |
| minghua | raphink: not sure, never used rosetta myself seriously | 03:31 |
| raphink | rosetta is a great translation enhancer | 03:32 |
| === minghua is a console guy and uses vim to translate .po's | ||
| raphink | hehe | 03:32 |
| === raphink is a nano fan | ||
| jsgotangco | minghua, are you maintaining scim in universe at the moment? | 03:33 |
| ajmitch | hey jsgotangco | 03:33 |
| jsgotangco | ajmitch, hello sir | 03:33 |
| minghua | jsgotangco: yes | 03:33 |
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| jsgotangco | minghua, ok so its ok if i refer you to the korean team? they can help | 03:33 |
| minghua | jsgotangco: sure, would be wonderful to get some help (I'm the one-man team now :-) | 03:34 |
| ajmitch | jsgotangco: I rate a sir now? impressive | 03:34 |
| sistpoty | raphink: build complete, however lintian still complains: kyamo: executable-not-elf-or-script ./usr/share/applications/kde/kyamo.desktop | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | ajmitch, yes, being the MOTU professor that you are heh | 03:34 |
| sistpoty | raphink: maybe you could remove execute rights for this? | 03:34 |
| ajmitch | jsgotangco: not a professor | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: the merge list isn't shrinking fast enough :) | 03:35 |
| raphink | Oh I dn't have this in lintian sistpoty, that's interesting | 03:35 |
| raphink | so maybe I could dh_install with 644 mode | 03:35 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: I already did wipe some removed apps today ;) | 03:35 |
| raphink | hmm no | 03:36 |
| raphink | wrong | 03:36 |
| sistpoty | raphink: it's in lintian if you run it on the deb | 03:36 |
| raphink | hmm ok | 03:36 |
| raphink | I don't have the deb right here I belive | 03:36 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: I've uploaded a couple today, and have a couple to request syncs for | 03:36 |
| raphink | let's see | 03:36 |
| raphink | oh yes right it says it | 03:36 |
| raphink | :) | 03:36 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: and i guess tiber is a little "slow" atm... since I'm building ghc6 atm ;) | 03:36 |
| raphink | sistpoty: ok well you decide whether it deserve to be fixed ;) | 03:37 |
| raphink | if so, i'll do it tomorrow | 03:37 |
| raphink | too tired right now | 03:37 |
| sistpoty | raphink: it's only a small change... I'll give my ok now and since the debdiff will be small, I'll upload it once you have it fixed... ok? | 03:38 |
| raphink | sure | 03:38 |
| raphink | :) | 03:38 |
| raphink | and I'll report to upstream | 03:38 |
| raphink | since it comes from them | 03:38 |
| sistpoty | :) | 03:38 |
| raphink | I shan't use a patch for this i guess | 03:38 |
| raphink | only a chmod in rules | 03:38 |
| raphink | sistpoty: what chmod shall I use instead ? 644 right? | 03:40 |
| sistpoty | raphink: erm... no idea for desktop files... but 644 seems to make sense | 03:41 |
| raphink | yes I just checked on other desktop files in the system | 03:41 |
| raphink | it's 644 | 03:41 |
| raphink | quite logical | 03:41 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: still.. 485 merges done so far is pretty good | 03:44 |
| Kyral | okay bug | 03:44 |
| Kyral | for some reason the prism2_cs module isn't included in the default install | 03:44 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: MoM is still two days ahead of the merge list :/ | 03:44 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: oh? how so? | 03:44 |
| ajmitch | what do you mean by 2 days ahead? | 03:45 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: latest MoM log I parsed for the merge list is from 12/17... latest MoM log present is 12/19 | 03:45 |
| raphink | sistpoty: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1249 | 03:45 |
| ajmitch | ok | 03:45 |
| ajmitch | so reparse it ;) | 03:45 |
| raphink | changed to 644 | 03:45 |
| seth_k|lappy | Anyone have a quick tip on how I could find every occurrence of a string in all files in a directory, and replace the string with another? | 03:45 |
| raphink | that's one line diff ;) | 03:45 |
| ajmitch | there shouldn't be too many more merges for us to do | 03:45 |
| ajmitch | find & sed :) | 03:46 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: will do that once the next log comes in... ok? if you want it earlier, I mailed to admin@tiber how to do it ;) | 03:46 |
| raphink | I'd say find -> $file variable | 03:46 |
| seth_k|lappy | ajmitch, find instead of rgrep? | 03:46 |
| raphink | then for $file -> sed with a tmp | 03:46 |
| === seth_k|lappy has some manpage reading to do then, if that's the easiest way :P | ||
| ajmitch | raphink: sounds overly complex | 03:47 |
| raphink | ajmitch: well it's 3:47AM so i'm complex | 03:47 |
| raphink | lol | 03:47 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 03:47 |
| seth_k|lappy | oh psh, here we go. Kfilereplace will do it | 03:47 |
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| ajmitch | sistpoty: I'm not in a rush, I'm going away in a couple of days | 03:47 |
| raphink | I should rather be dreaming straight than trying to think straight | 03:47 |
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| ajmitch | and there's no way I'll get all my merges cleared before Christmas | 03:47 |
| sistpoty | ah... holidays? | 03:48 |
| raphink | sistpoty: got my link? | 03:48 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 03:48 |
| sistpoty | raphink: yep... just rebuilding | 03:48 |
| ajmitch | I'll be away for only a week | 03:48 |
| raphink | ok :) | 03:48 |
| raphink | well I just added 644 to dh_install | 03:48 |
| ajmitch | and after that I'll have *lots* of spare time for ubuntu ;) | 03:48 |
| raphink | :) | 03:49 |
| sistpoty | yeehaa :) | 03:49 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | broken i386 buildd | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | Build environment unusable, giving back | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | yay | 03:50 |
| raphink | :s | 03:50 |
| raphink | sistpoty: I have to admit i couldn't test the change on a dapper box, since I have no dapper box here, only a dapper pbuilder | 03:53 |
| raphink | and no chroot installed so far | 03:54 |
| raphink | so if you get sure it fixes the chmod stuff it's good :) | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | oh dear | 03:54 |
| sistpoty | raphink: but you can test installing w. piuparts ;) | 03:54 |
| raphink | I'm a breezy right now | 03:54 |
| sistpoty | raphink: or just look inside the deb | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | and you can unpack your pbuilder base tarball for a permanent chroot | 03:54 |
| raphink | sure sistpoty | 03:54 |
| raphink | mhm | 03:54 |
| raphink | well it's too late to think about this | 03:55 |
| raphink | lol | 03:55 |
| raphink | and I just know adding 644 to dh_install is enough to install the file with 644 chmod | 03:55 |
| sistpoty | raphink: cp: cannot stat `./644': No such file or directory | 03:55 |
| raphink | argh | 03:56 |
| raphink | hmm | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 03:56 |
| raphink | grrr | 03:56 |
| raphink | mooh | 03:56 |
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| raphink | sorry for that sistpoty :( | 03:57 |
| sistpoty | raphink: np... trying to built it wasn't really much work... at least not human work ;) | 03:57 |
| raphink | I forgot -m | 03:57 |
| raphink | so it's | 03:57 |
| raphink | dh_install -m 644 myfile | 03:57 |
| raphink | let's change it | 03:58 |
| raphink | and this time I'll build it to check | 03:58 |
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| raphink | hmmm | 04:08 |
| raphink | sistpoty: pb is that dh_fixperms is ran after the install rule | 04:08 |
| raphink | so it overrides the dh_install -m 644 | 04:09 |
| raphink | do you think I can move the install of the desktop file to a post-install rule? | 04:09 |
| raphink | :s | 04:09 |
| sistpoty | raphink: not quite sure how exactly cdbs handles this | 04:11 |
| raphink | yes | 04:11 |
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| raphink | I think I found a way sistpoty | 04:15 |
| raphink | I'll try it | 04:15 |
| raphink | :) | 04:15 |
| SEJeff | Kyral: ping | 04:15 |
| sistpoty | raphink: using dh_desktop or s.th.? | 04:16 |
| Kyral | SEJeff: pong | 04:16 |
| raphink | DB_FIXPERMS_EXCLUDE := src/kyamo.desktop | 04:16 |
| SEJeff | Kyral: You do the kernel / initrd stuff right? | 04:16 |
| Kyral | SEJeff: whaa? No...I'm just a MOTU Wannabe | 04:16 |
| SEJeff | Kyral: I must be smokin' crack tonight... sorry | 04:17 |
| Kyral | I mean I know my way around a kernel compile, but I don't trust myself to compile a kernel for thousands of people | 04:17 |
| sistpoty | SEJeff: you might want to ask benc in -devel | 04:17 |
| raphink | I'll see if that does it | 04:17 |
| SEJeff | sistpoty: Thanks | 04:17 |
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| ajmitch | yay, another sync to request | 04:22 |
| minghua | okay, tomorrow's CC meeting time is still TBD, I don't think I'll make it | 04:25 |
| raphink | pffffff | 04:25 |
| raphink | yeah it' shard to be on time when it's planned on TBD | 04:25 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: elmo has been getting the syncs done quickly | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: yeah, I'm just building up a list of them so I just make 1 request | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | du -sh /home/ajmitch/debian/pbuilder/ | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | 5.3G /home/ajmitch/debian/pbuilder/ | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | hm | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | I think I should clean that up ;) | 04:27 |
| bmonty | yeah | 04:27 |
| StevenK | Is that your results dir? | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | no | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | results is only 800 | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | 2.6G /home/ajmitch/debian/pbuilder/build | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | builds not getting cleaned up | 04:28 |
| StevenK | steven@broken:~% ls /var/cache/pbuilder/build | 04:28 |
| StevenK | 1165 14690 1630 17333 20376 20899 2167 21957 24697 28804 4585 | 04:28 |
| StevenK | Seems I have the same problem. | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | > ls | 04:28 |
| bmonty | should ubuntu debs create python2.3 packages at all? | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | 10319/ 1138/ 1152/ 11882/ 16209/ 18391/ 20098/ 20220/ 20975/ 23938/ 25022/ 27598/ 31232/ 31728/ 4294/ 6435/ 8332/ | 04:28 |
| minghua | don't forget to umount the proc's and dev's beform rm them | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: they still can | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | minghua: these are old | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | minghua: the most recent is > a month old | 04:29 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: yeah, but is there any point in it? should python2.3 code work with 2.4? | 04:29 |
| minghua | ajmitch: depend on when was your last reboot ;-) | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | minghua: about 3 days ago ;) | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | stupid athlon xp & its overheating | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: there is a point in it | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | but doko is working on redoing the system system in debian & ubuntu | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | s/system/python/ | 04:30 |
| StevenK | Yeah, my dual Athlon is starting to overheat due to summer. | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | CPU: +83C (low = +0C, high = +70C) ALARM (HIGH) | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | that's sitting fairly idle | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | once it gets above 92/93, it reboots ;) | 04:31 |
| minghua | new scim-hangul built and installed, and no segfaults - seems a good start :-) | 04:31 |
| StevenK | Mine just hard locks. :-/ | 04:31 |
| StevenK | I wouldn't mind a pleiter (sp?) for both of my processors. | 04:32 |
| jsgotangco | minghua, awesome | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | peltier | 04:32 |
| jsgotangco | minghua, 0.2.1? | 04:33 |
| minghua | jsgotangco: I'll probably be co-maintainer of scim-hangul pretty soon :-) | 04:33 |
| minghua | jsgotangco: yes | 04:33 |
| sistpoty | seth_k|lappy: kmobiletools is fine... will upload in a minute | 04:37 |
| seth_k|lappy | sistpoty, awesome! thank you :) | 04:37 |
| bmonty | my father-in-law uses a 120VAC fan from one of his HF amplifiers to keep his CPU nice and cool | 04:37 |
| bmonty | sounds like a jet engine though | 04:38 |
| seth_k|lappy | sistpoty, notice it's a new package... am I supposed to have 3 advocates first? | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: sadly my computer is in my bedroom | 04:38 |
| sistpoty | seth_k|lappy: no, it's 2 advocates | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | so I can't have anything too noisy :) | 04:38 |
| seth_k|lappy | ah, okay | 04:38 |
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| lifeless | ajmitch: earplugs | 04:38 |
| StevenK | It's nice having a whole house to spread out in. | 04:39 |
| minghua | jsgotangco: what are the korean team you mentioned planning to do? | 04:39 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: its all about moving air past the heat sinks | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: I know | 04:39 |
| minghua | jsgotangco: are they working on something similar to ubuntu-jp? | 04:39 |
| bmonty | this hotel internet connection sucks...and I have to pay | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | minghua, well the korean team knows what to do with regards to test and bugzilla, but doesn't know where to start and im helping them on pointing to resources... | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | (i can't even read hangeul for starters) | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | minghua, but they're interested on what ubuntu-jp has done and want to do something similar | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | (interesting languge though) | 04:41 |
| minghua | jsgotangco: I see. I've seen Atie posting some nice bug summary on BetterCJKReport page, I like his approach | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | yeah he's the most english-proficient among the group i'd say | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | (i think he's in houston) | 04:43 |
| minghua | oh really? | 04:43 |
| sistpoty | seth_k|lappy: I've archived kmobiletools on revu, since it should hit dapper once elmo has approved it | 04:43 |
| === minghua is in houston as well | ||
| === minghua dreams about a LocoTeam :-) | ||
| === bmonty is currently in San Antonio | ||
| Kyral | lol | 04:44 |
| === jsgotangco should start learning one of the 3 CJK languages | ||
| seth_k|lappy | cheers sistpoty | 04:47 |
| minghua | Hmm, apparently reloading GTK IM module needs a gnome restart | 04:47 |
| minghua | be right back | 04:47 |
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| bmonty | night everyone | 04:49 |
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| minghua | ogra: ping | 04:50 |
| minghua | some one really should clean up the crap gnome-cups-add spit out when started at console | 04:52 |
| seth_k|lappy | weird. libgpod has version number 0.2.0-1ubuntu2, which means that there must be a Debian package. But it's not on packages.debian.org | 04:53 |
| sistpoty | seth_k|lappy: OTOH if a package is ubuntu only, it still has the -XubuntuY suffix | 04:54 |
| seth_k|lappy | I thought we started with -0ubuntuX | 04:55 |
| seth_k|lappy | instead of -1 | 04:55 |
| seth_k|lappy | maybe just a mistake | 04:55 |
| ajmitch | probably was a mistake | 04:56 |
| ajmitch | check the changelog for who to lart | 04:56 |
| ajmitch | or it might have been an apt-get.org import | 04:56 |
| seth_k|lappy | no changelog, that's the weird thing. the whole directory doesn't even exist | 04:57 |
| ajmitch | strange | 04:57 |
| sistpoty | libgpod (0.2.0-1) dapper; urgency=low <-- initial version | 04:57 |
| ajmitch | blame sebuild | 04:58 |
| seth_k|lappy | alright | 04:58 |
| seth_k|lappy | http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/libg/libgpod/ has no changelog? sistpoty, where'd you find that? | 04:58 |
| sistpoty | seth_k|lappy: in the sourcepackage ;) | 04:58 |
| ajmitch | seth_k|lappy: by grabbing the source? :) | 04:58 |
| ajmitch | I looked it up on the dapper-changes list | 04:59 |
| seth_k|lappy | haha, just making sure there wasn't an easier way | 04:59 |
| seth_k|lappy | I was in the middle of grabbing the source ;) | 04:59 |
| raphink | dh_fixperms -m doesnt' seem to work :s | 05:02 |
| raphink | I mean | 05:02 |
| raphink | dh_install -m | 05:02 |
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| minghua | XIM has been broken here for about one month | 05:05 |
| minghua | I really should go submit a bug | 05:05 |
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| sistpoty | raphink: have you tried DEB_DH_FIXPERMS_ARGS? | 05:11 |
| raphink | I've tried quite a lot of things | 05:11 |
| raphink | I'll go for a simple chmod after the dh_insta | 05:11 |
| raphink | and i'll chang emore things actually | 05:12 |
| raphink | I need a patch for pot files for rosetta | 05:12 |
| sistpoty | raphink: maybe even DEB_FIXPERMS_EXCLUDE could do the trick | 05:14 |
| raphink | I tried it sistpoty | 05:15 |
| raphink | it didn't work | 05:15 |
| sistpoty | hm | 05:15 |
| raphink | ;) | 05:17 |
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| seth_k|lappy | sistpoty, if I am doing a new upstream version of libgpod, it's okay to reset to 0.3.0-0ubuntu1 (instead of 0.3.0-1ubuntu) right? | 05:19 |
| sistpoty | seth_k|lappy: yes | 05:20 |
| seth_k|lappy | alright :) onto REVU it goes | 05:21 |
| raphink | sistpoty: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1251 | 05:22 |
| raphink | and the diff you want to look at is http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=1105&upid2=1251 | 05:23 |
| raphink | (diff with the version you approved) | 05:23 |
| raphink | this is nto a very bid diff | 05:23 |
| raphink | I added my changes to changelog, which doesn't affect building | 05:23 |
| raphink | added the chmod to rules, which I tested | 05:23 |
| raphink | and added a patch to generate pot files for rosetta | 05:24 |
| raphink | anyway | 05:26 |
| raphink | good night everybody ;) | 05:26 |
| raphink | bye | 05:26 |
| sistpoty | gn8 raphink | 05:26 |
| minghua | wonderful, uim build-depends on libqt3-mt-dev | 05:35 |
| minghua | now I can do something else when my pbuilder is downloading | 05:35 |
| minghua | and I suppose I can starting help merging Qt packages now :-) | 05:35 |
| seth_k|lappy | bleh, I kinda feel the same way, gtkpod is in universe but part of libgpod isn't, now I have to wait for a new libgpod before I can do gtkpod, unless I want to set up a local apt repository | 05:38 |
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| seth_k|lappy | Is there any process for helping package *main* packages? I'd ideally like to get libgpod 0.3 in... would ajmitch know? ;) | 05:41 |
| ajmitch | yes | 05:41 |
| ajmitch | package it | 05:41 |
| ajmitch | write up an inclusion report | 05:41 |
| ajmitch | bribe pitti | 05:41 |
| seth_k|lappy | no, libgpod is already in main... I just wanted to update it from 0.2 -> 0.3 | 05:41 |
| ajmitch | oh right | 05:42 |
| ajmitch | bug seb, he seems to be the one who cares for it :) | 05:42 |
| seth_k|lappy | alrighty :) thanks | 05:42 |
| sistpoty | ok, I'm off to bed now... gn8 everyone | 05:46 |
| minghua | okay, I think I've pinned down the bug that made users cry "scim in breezy is BROKEN!" | 06:00 |
| minghua | happy ending for a busy day | 06:00 |
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| minghua | ogra: ping? | 06:07 |
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| minghua | good night everybody | 06:26 |
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| seth_k|lappy | whoa, my local apt repository worked! fancy | 06:42 |
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| crimsun | people need to get over the fact that an MTA isn't installed by default in the desktop | 08:17 |
| ajmitch | but the desktop is Under! Attack! | 08:17 |
| crimsun | I mean, it's REALLY difficult to more /var/mail/$USER | 08:17 |
| seth_k|lappy | not just the desktop | 08:18 |
| seth_k|lappy | UBUNTU is under attack! | 08:18 |
| ajmitch | oh sorry | 08:18 |
| seth_k|lappy | the very core of its being | 08:18 |
| seth_k|lappy | or sommat | 08:18 |
| === ajmitch feels like marking that thread as read & moving on | ||
| ajmitch | someone complaining about kubuntu sucking | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | because it didn't ask for a root password, etc | 08:19 |
| crimsun | yeah, my 'd' key is definitely getting a workout | 08:25 |
| ajmitch | mutt is great for that | 08:26 |
| crimsun | :) | 08:26 |
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| dholbach | good morning MOTUs and MOTU hopefuls of course! :-) | 08:45 |
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| lucas | hi | 08:55 |
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| dholbach | tomorrow is BUG DAY! hope you help all to make it a success :) | 09:26 |
| jsgotangco | gnome-power-manager rocks | 09:27 |
| dholbach | do you think it'd make sense to make universe-specific bugs lists? | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | high traffic? | 09:28 |
| dholbach | err, i rather meant "these are UNCONFIRMED bugs", "these are NEEDINFO bugs", ... | 09:28 |
| dholbach | stuff like that | 09:28 |
| sivang | nice, seems that mono was fixed, wasn't it? monodoc now installs cleanly :) | 09:28 |
| dholbach | "old bugs to review" | 09:28 |
| sivang | ajmitch: you're reading that on u-d ? | 09:34 |
| ajmitch | ? | 09:34 |
| ajmitch | 'that' is very non-specific | 09:34 |
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| dholbach | janimo: hey, how are you? | 09:35 |
| janimo | dholbach, hey, fine thanks :) | 09:35 |
| janimo | you? | 09:35 |
| dholbach | me too, thanks :) | 09:36 |
| janimo | is there a command line tool to quickly check current versions of packages in debian/ubuntu w/o having the specific distros installed? | 09:37 |
| janimo | a look in their pools on the web | 09:37 |
| StevenK | madison-lite | 09:37 |
| janimo | thanks I'll check it out | 09:37 |
| janimo | nope, it checks a local debian archive | 09:38 |
| janimo | and I don't have a mirror here | 09:38 |
| ajmitch | it doesn't need a full mirror | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | just the packages & sources lists | 09:41 |
| janimo | ajmitch, thanks. Still it needs updating those from time to time, if it does not peek in the pool directly as http://packages.debian.org does | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | yep | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | I have it updating in cron here | 09:43 |
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| thesaltydog | is the "system tools" menu going to disappear in dapper? | 10:32 |
| dholbach | thesaltydog: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited should know | 10:33 |
| thesaltydog | hi dholbach, yes my question is subsequent to that page reading.. | 10:33 |
| dholbach | well, there's not much left in there | 10:34 |
| thesaltydog | my gnome friend told me that the "rightE place for baobab is "system tools", as nautilus.. | 10:34 |
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| thesaltydog | the developers in cvs agreed on that... what do you suggest to do? Move it in accessories? | 10:34 |
| dholbach | maybe | 10:35 |
| dholbach | nautilus? system tools? | 10:35 |
| dholbach | maybe we should take the discussion to #ubuntu-desktop | 10:35 |
| thesaltydog | yes, ubuntu has moved nautilus in accessories, but if you look at the cvs, nautilus desktop is in system tools.. | 10:35 |
| dholbach | in dapper it's not in accessoires | 10:36 |
| thesaltydog | I will contact #ubuntu-desktop | 10:36 |
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| thesaltydog | where is nautilus in dapper (next week I will upgrade to it...)? | 10:36 |
| dholbach | it's hidden | 10:38 |
| dholbach | and that's the best they could do | 10:38 |
| thesaltydog | mmh.. | 10:40 |
| thesaltydog | thanks dholbach , I'm asking to seb128 on ubuntu-desktop | 10:42 |
| lucas | thesaltydog: don't upgrade to dapper unless you know what you are doing | 10:43 |
| thesaltydog | thanks lucas, usually I know what I am doing...:-) | 10:44 |
| lucas | :) | 10:44 |
| lucas | there are lots of posts in the forums or the mailing lists by users who thought that dapper was actually usable for a random user | 10:45 |
| thesaltydog | thanks lucas, but as a developer since warty... I should know ! :-) | 10:47 |
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| asbin | siretart: is it ok on REVU that anybody can't see the *_source.changes of any package ? It's "Forbidden" ... | 11:51 |
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| Gloubiboulga | hi universe | 12:05 |
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| siretart | asbin: yes. you don't need the .changes file for reviewing. only for uploading | 12:23 |
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| raphink | dholbach: are you there? | 03:10 |
| dholbach | raphink: ouai | 03:10 |
| raphink | :) | 03:10 |
| raphink | dholbach: I modified kyamo accordingly to sistpoty's requests yesterday | 03:10 |
| raphink | you had advocated it before | 03:11 |
| dholbach | the link is? | 03:11 |
| raphink | could you have a look at the changes and advocate again please ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1251 | 03:11 |
| raphink | the diff from the version you advocated is http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=1105&upid2=1251 | 03:11 |
| dholbach | raphink: nice one, i'll upload it. | 03:12 |
| dholbach | (if you have no objetions) | 03:12 |
| raphink | thanks :) | 03:12 |
| raphink | sure :) | 03:13 |
| raphink | I've been working close to upstream on this one | 03:13 |
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| raphink | from the very first released version on kde-aps | 03:13 |
| raphink | so he'll be happy to know that :) | 03:13 |
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| dholbach | excellent -- it's nice to have close relationships to upstream | 03:14 |
| raphink | yes :) | 03:14 |
| zakame | evening all! just got back home! :D | 03:14 |
| raphink | hi zakame | 03:14 |
| jsgotangco | yo zakame | 03:14 |
| raphink | any news on the time of CC meeting? | 03:14 |
| jsgotangco | raphink, nil, unless you want to start a CC revolt | 03:14 |
| zakame | yeah, when's the CC meet? | 03:14 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:14 |
| zakame | jsgotangco: buwahaha | 03:14 |
| raphink | jsgotangco: lol | 03:15 |
| raphink | well i'm more on a DADVSI revolt right now | 03:15 |
| raphink | but hey | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | we can grab dholbach and make him stage one | 03:15 |
| raphink | I'm not member yet, so I shan't revolt about the CC meeting | 03:15 |
| dholbach | jsgotangco: i'm on bug triage stage one :) | 03:16 |
| jsgotangco | gahhh its bug day jeezz | 03:17 |
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| dholbach | tomorrow is bug day for everybody :) | 03:18 |
| dholbach | today it's just some weirdos doing it, but feel free to join ;) | 03:19 |
| === jsgotangco is no weirdo | ||
| dholbach | or i'll have all the funny bugs done until tomorrow :) | 03:19 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 03:19 |
| zakame | dholbach: ooh, update /topic in #u-bugs then :) its still in 11.24 | 03:19 |
| dholbach | jsgotangco: i meant me :) | 03:19 |
| === jsgotangco calls murphy here boy... | ||
| dholbach | so you kick her again? | 03:20 |
| dholbach | zakame: thanks for the heads up | 03:20 |
| zakame | np :) | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | no i'll ask her if she's been neglected lately because of some triage.. | 03:20 |
| dholbach | jsgotangco: if she could speak... i think she'd say YES in capital letters ;) | 03:21 |
| jsgotangco | poor dog | 03:21 |
| dholbach | but we'll go for a big walk, when i go renting the car :) | 03:21 |
| dholbach | so that's fine | 03:21 |
| jsgotangco | dholbach, i just had a can of red bull, the evil stuff that we love at 10pm, im no a roll.... | 03:23 |
| dholbach | you're what? | 03:23 |
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| jsgotangco | blah silly fingers having a mind of its own | 03:24 |
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| Gloubiboulga | dholbach, the wiki page about bug day is also wrong | 03:28 |
| dholbach | Gloubiboulga: would you mind to fix it? | 03:29 |
| Gloubiboulga | no problem | 03:29 |
| dholbach | cool, thanks | 03:30 |
| Gloubiboulga | done :) | 03:31 |
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| pappan | how can one participate in motu | 03:42 |
| raphink | pappan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTeamHowto | 03:42 |
| raphink | hmm no sorry | 03:43 |
| raphink | :s | 03:43 |
| raphink | huhu | 03:43 |
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| zakame | wb pappan | 03:44 |
| zakame | pappan: see /topic , there's a lot of things you can do here in MOTU ;) | 03:46 |
| pappan | yes i saw the url | 03:51 |
| pappan | but its not clear what i have to do for eg if i want to fix a bug | 03:53 |
| pappan | am i missing some url ?? | 03:53 |
| pappan | i am having connection problems i guess | 03:54 |
| zakame | pappan: HelpingWithBugs on the wiki gives a good overview :) also see #ubuntu-bugs | 03:57 |
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| pappan | zakame: ty i am checking out that | 04:02 |
| zakame | pappan: tomorrow is the bug day as well, so count on a lot of ppl helping you soon :) | 04:03 |
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| pappan | zakame: kewl | 04:06 |
| pappan | zakame: are you working on any bugs ? | 04:08 |
| zakame | pappan: none atm, as I just got back home from a loooong trip, still catching up with mails and stuff | 04:10 |
| pappan | zakame: i guess by adding comments we can get attention, right ? | 04:12 |
| pappan | * comments in bug reports * | 04:12 |
| zakame | of course, as long as they're helpful :) | 04:12 |
| zakame | do you already have a launchpad acct? | 04:12 |
| pappan | zakame: yes | 04:13 |
| pappan | also do we want prior experience in the products i am fixing the bug for ? | 04:13 |
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| raphink | wb pappan | 04:35 |
| pappan | raphink: ty | 04:39 |
| pappan | now looking at MOTU packaging section | 04:39 |
| pappan | i am having a live cd of ubuntu now | 04:39 |
| raphink | mhm | 04:39 |
| raphink | if you need help with packaging, don't hesitate to ask | 04:40 |
| raphink | were you told about REVU yet? | 04:40 |
| pappan | raphink: no | 04:40 |
| pappan | but i saw the mentions of REVU in the pages | 04:40 |
| raphink | http://revu.tauware.de/ | 04:40 |
| raphink | this is the main thing we use for packaging stuff in universe | 04:41 |
| raphink | this interface allows you to upload packages of yours (once accepted as packager) and to get them reviewed | 04:41 |
| raphink | you have have a look at the entries | 04:41 |
| raphink | they contain links to the files | 04:41 |
| pappan | i saw some of them | 04:41 |
| raphink | and comments from reviewers | 04:41 |
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| raphink | when a package is approved by two MOTUs, it's uploaded in universe | 04:41 |
| pappan | so i can take a open source project and make it get compiled in ubuntu | 04:42 |
| pappan | is that what is needed ? | 04:42 |
| zakame | pappan: REVU is basically the replacement for the UniverseCandidates wikipage | 04:42 |
| pappan | zakame: ok | 04:42 |
| pappan | but i am not finding any clear documentation on anything about how to participate ( i am newbue in contributing to open soure ) | 04:43 |
| pappan | like what are the things i should do to participate in packaging | 04:43 |
| === pappan reading now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackagesPolicy | ||
| raphink | pappan: begin with reading the Debian New Maintainer's Guide imo | 04:44 |
| zakame | pappan: the `maint-guide' package has that DNMG | 04:44 |
| pappan | ty i got the debian new maintainers guide.. let me go thru it | 04:46 |
| zakame | pappan: rocking | 04:48 |
| zakame | gn8 all :D | 04:48 |
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| raphink | hi dholbach :) | 04:48 |
| raphink | pappan: good luck :) | 04:49 |
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| pappan | raphink: ty | 04:53 |
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| pappan | raphink: i was thinking of vsftpd but its already available lol | 04:55 |
| raphink | hehe | 04:55 |
| raphink | pappan: look on kde-apps or gnome-apps | 04:56 |
| raphink | there you can find inspiration for gui apps | 04:56 |
| pappan | raphink: yes i will look into it | 05:03 |
| raphink | ok | 05:03 |
| pappan | raphink: time to go for me .. see you tomorrow | 05:03 |
| pappan | bye all | 05:03 |
| raphink | cye | 05:03 |
| raphink | bye | 05:03 |
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| Kyral | Okay if anyone is awake I have a question about how to pull something off | 05:14 |
| raphink | slomo_: I moved autostart to kcontrol-autostart. You advocated it when it was named autostart, so here's the new link if you feel like advocating it under the new name : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1255 | 05:17 |
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| JohnnyMast | good afternoon boys (and girls ??) | 05:51 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello JohnnyMast | 05:52 |
| JohnnyMast | every thing alright ? | 05:52 |
| Gloubiboulga | yep | 05:52 |
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| JohnnyMast | Gloubiboulga mighty good news | 05:59 |
| Gloubiboulga | Yes, I'm on holiday :) | 06:01 |
| Gloubiboulga | JohnnyMast, I'm working on a package named libtranslate0, but the source dir is names libtranslate-0.99 | 06:08 |
| Gloubiboulga | so the package become a debian-native one | 06:08 |
| JohnnyMast | then rename the dir if you didnt do a debuild for the first run yet | 06:09 |
| JohnnyMast | (not sure if thats allowed) | 06:09 |
| JohnnyMast | at least debian forbits it | 06:10 |
| Gloubiboulga | hum... that's the problem | 06:10 |
| JohnnyMast | to quote "dont mess with the underlaying directory under debian/ | 06:10 |
| JohnnyMast | " | 06:10 |
| JohnnyMast | but, im packing kryptor now wich i maintain upstream as well so i could rename the directory because its created by my own team | 06:11 |
| Gloubiboulga | yes, but i don't maintain upstream... | 06:11 |
| Gloubiboulga | Changing the package name is not a good idea either I guess | 06:12 |
| JohnnyMast | well no its ok btw because the upload will be | 06:13 |
| JohnnyMast | libtranslate-0.99-0ubuntu1 | 06:13 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok then, I'll change the package name | 06:15 |
| JohnnyMast | to be sure tackle some MOTU | 06:15 |
| Gloubiboulga | Is there any awake MOTU around ? | 06:15 |
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| Kyral | Hmm | 07:33 |
| Kyral | what is the best way to apply a bunch of customizations to a default Ubuntu install? | 07:33 |
| Kyral | at one sweep | 07:33 |
| tseng | sabyon? | 07:34 |
| Kyral | ...I haven't even considered Sabyon... | 07:34 |
| Kyral | ty tseng :D | 07:35 |
| tseng | np | 07:35 |
| Kyral | can I somehow save the setup so I can deploy it? | 07:35 |
| tseng | yes | 07:35 |
| Kyral | gracie | 07:35 |
| tseng | but dont ask me details :) | 07:35 |
| Kyral | yah | 07:35 |
| Kyral | I only know of Sabyon from Jeff's talk at Ubuntu Below Zero | 07:35 |
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| Kyral | uuhh | 07:43 |
| Kyral | tseng, is sabyon in the repos? | 07:43 |
| tseng | uh | 07:43 |
| Kyral | I can't find it...nor can google find it | 07:44 |
| tseng | maybe not | 07:44 |
| Kyral | oy.... | 07:44 |
| Kyral | does it have a homepage? | 07:45 |
| Hieronymus | Kyral: I think it is.. Treenaks told me about it once, and I remember installing it | 07:46 |
| Amaranth | sabayon | 07:46 |
| Kyral | ah | 07:46 |
| Kyral | thats why | 07:46 |
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| Kyral | I misspelled | 07:46 |
| Amaranth | edubuntu is appearently using it | 07:46 |
| Kyral | So I'd still need to tweak our AFS Package | 07:48 |
| ogra | Amaranth, nope, not as long as you cant use it over ssh tunnels .. | 07:48 |
| Amaranth | oh yeah | 07:49 |
| Amaranth | isn't that an X thing? | 07:49 |
| Amaranth | i wouldn't think sabayon would have to do anything special | 07:49 |
| ogra | i think its an xnest prob, yes | 07:49 |
| ogra | but i havent looked into it yet | 07:49 |
| Kyral | Yah I just need to deploy it in our lab | 07:49 |
| Amaranth | oh, you can't do ssh forwarding of an xnest window? | 07:50 |
| Kyral | so I can set it to one machine and use something like Rsync | 07:50 |
| elektranox | what's the name of the package, including dh_make? | 07:50 |
| Amaranth | elektranox: dh-make | 07:50 |
| ogra | you can, but it wants to assign a new $DISPLAY ... | 07:50 |
| elektranox | thx | 07:50 |
| ogra | that doesnt work through oe tunnel | 07:50 |
| ogra | *one | 07:50 |
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| minghua | good afternoon | 07:57 |
| === Mez sighs and downloads 10,000 emails | ||
| Mez | I really shoulda set the damn thing onn holiday mode earlier | 08:01 |
| Kyral | hehehe | 08:02 |
| Kyral | okay someone remind me to ping elmo after the CC Meeting | 08:02 |
| Kyral | aw hell I'll ping him now | 08:04 |
| Kyral | if he's not busy | 08:04 |
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| elektranox | mh does sb. know a tutorial about the makefile? | 08:21 |
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| herve | hello | 08:21 |
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| Kyral | I <3 PBuilders | 08:24 |
| Kyral | hmmm, HAL is being removed? | 08:29 |
| lfittl | hal depends on libdbus-1-1 and dbus, but new dbus conflicts libdbus1-1, therefore it is only a temporary problem ;) | 08:31 |
| Kyral | yah.....but if HAL goes byebye, isn't my system boned? | 08:31 |
| lfittl | no, mine works almost fine without hal | 08:31 |
| Kyral | okay | 08:32 |
| Kyral | what DOES Hal do anyway? | 08:32 |
| lfittl | seems to do deliver messages from the hardware to some programs | 08:33 |
| lfittl | using dbus | 08:33 |
| herve | hal = hardware abstraction layer | 08:33 |
| Kyral | I knew what it meant | 08:33 |
| herve | but I guess you can read the package description ;-) | 08:33 |
| Treenaks | the volume manager uses it (automounting etc.) | 08:33 |
| Kyral | I'll hold back on upgrading then until the problem is fixed | 08:34 |
| lfittl | should be fixed soon, new hal is already uploaded, just needs to be built ;) | 08:34 |
| herve | Kyral, my policy is to never allow removal of ubuntu-desktop | 08:35 |
| Kyral | herve: I've done that many times | 08:35 |
| Kyral | Like I have said before, my system isn't exactly a normal install | 08:36 |
| lfittl | Kyral: http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/hal ;) | 08:37 |
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| lfittl | The i386 buildd is still not working? | 08:42 |
| lfittl | who should I talk to to get information about this? | 08:44 |
| lucas | lfittl: your builds will be re-scheduled | 08:46 |
| lucas | so you don't have to worry | 08:47 |
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| lfittl | k, thanks | 08:47 |
| Gloubiboulga | I have a little problem with the name of a package (a lib) | 08:52 |
| Gloubiboulga | The package should be name libtranslate0, but the source dir has a different name | 08:53 |
| Gloubiboulga | can I change the name of the source dir ? | 08:53 |
| lfittl | source dir name is not important as far as I know, what error do you get? | 08:53 |
| Gloubiboulga | the package is a debian native one | 08:54 |
| lfittl | what version do you have in debian/changelog ? | 08:54 |
| Gloubiboulga | libtranslate0 | 08:55 |
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| lfittl | no, I mean what | 08:55 |
| lfittl | version is listed on the top of the changelog entry | 08:55 |
| Gloubiboulga | libtranslate0 (0.99-0ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low | 08:56 |
| lfittl | interesting, could you paste the build log somewhere? | 08:56 |
| Gloubiboulga | yep | 08:57 |
| Gloubiboulga | I'll just rebuild it before :) | 08:57 |
| lfittl | k :) | 08:57 |
| lucas | Gloubiboulga: you understand what "debian native version" means ? | 08:59 |
| Gloubiboulga | I think so | 08:59 |
| lfittl | how is your .orig.tar.gz named? | 09:00 |
| lucas | is it for REVU ? | 09:00 |
| Gloubiboulga | lucas, yes | 09:00 |
| lucas | or a merge ? | 09:00 |
| lucas | ok | 09:00 |
| Gloubiboulga | libtranslate_0.99.orig.tar.gz | 09:00 |
| Gloubiboulga | it's been built with dh_make | 09:00 |
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| lfittl | source package name is libtranslate? | 09:00 |
| Gloubiboulga | yes | 09:00 |
| lfittl | then your changelog entry is wrong | 09:00 |
| lfittl | it should be libtranslate (...) ... | 09:01 |
| Gloubiboulga | then the package will be named the same way ? | 09:01 |
| lfittl | the binary package will have the name you gave it in the debian/control file, and the source package will be libtranslate | 09:02 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok :) | 09:02 |
| Gloubiboulga | I have a lot of things to learn... | 09:02 |
| Gloubiboulga | thanks for your help lfittl | 09:03 |
| lfittl | no problem ;) | 09:03 |
| Gloubiboulga | great, it works perfectly :) | 09:07 |
| lfittl | perfect :) | 09:08 |
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| ajmitch | lucas: well done, welcome | 09:38 |
| lucas | :-) | 09:38 |
| Kyral | congratulations lucas | 09:39 |
| lucas | thank you | 09:39 |
| === ajmitch didn't see the meeting in time to speak up | ||
| ajmitch | when was the time announced for it? | 09:39 |
| Kyral | like 5 hours ago | 09:39 |
| minghua | ahh, meeting | 09:39 |
| Kyral | lifeless: PING! | 09:40 |
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| ogra | lifeless, ping ? | 09:41 |
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| sabdfl | azeem: ping | 09:41 |
| ogra | azeem, ping as well ? | 09:41 |
| ogra | heh, sabdfl beats me ... | 09:41 |
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| ajmitch | ah, a shame that azeem misses out this time (unless he shows up before end of meeting) | 09:42 |
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| Gloubiboulga | first time I see the big boss on irc :) | 09:47 |
| ajmitch | really? | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | he's on irc most days, it seems | 09:48 |
| Gloubiboulga | I'm not on the good chans I think | 09:48 |
| Kyral | congrats irvin | 09:52 |
| irvin | thanks Kyral | 09:52 |
| Kyral | Now you wanted to talk about that updates thing? | 09:52 |
| irvin | i had to wake up early its 4am here | 09:52 |
| irvin | sure thing | 09:52 |
| irvin | packages.ubuntu.com is really great for finding packages | 09:53 |
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| Kyral | how hard would it be to make a cronjob of sorts that tracked updates over an interval, and at the end of that interval gathered all the updates into one download or ISO? | 09:53 |
| irvin | that would be easy if one computer is always online | 09:54 |
| Kyral | I'm thinking we just sit it on archive | 09:54 |
| Kyral | or at least monitor archive | 09:55 |
| Kyral | all updates to Breezy go into breezy-updates and breezy-security right? | 09:55 |
| irvin | yes | 09:55 |
| Kyral | I mean I use Dapper so I don't use them | 09:55 |
| Kyral | and monitor Backports as well | 09:55 |
| Kyral | Shall we draft a spec? | 09:56 |
| irvin | there's a spec somewhere in the wiki | 09:56 |
| irvin | wait i'll get it | 09:56 |
| Kyral | ah | 09:56 |
| Kyral | This could be helpful for my school as well | 09:57 |
| irvin | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonBroadbandUsers | 09:57 |
| Kyral | we have high-speed, but we have a bandwidth cap on us | 09:57 |
| irvin | i see | 09:57 |
| Kyral | Not a problem for Breezy users | 09:57 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: bandwidth or data cap? | 09:57 |
| Kyral | but a problem for Dapper users :D | 09:57 |
| Kyral | ajmitch: bandwidth | 09:57 |
| Kyral | capped at ~60 kbps | 09:57 |
| ajmitch | right | 09:58 |
| === ajmitch has a 10GB data cap per month | ||
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| Kyral | ouch | 09:58 |
| sistpoty | hi folks | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | welcome to NZ ;) | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | hey sistpoty | 09:58 |
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| irvin | i'm still sleepy. it's 4am here | 09:59 |
| Gloubiboulga | it's time to sleep for me, good night ! | 09:59 |
| herve | bye | 10:06 |
| JohnnyMast | ajmitch want to review ttb ? | 10:07 |
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| Tonio_ | yop | 10:10 |
| JohnnyMast | Tonio_ hi ! | 10:11 |
| JohnnyMast | raphink , ping | 10:13 |
| raphink | hi JohnnyMast | 10:13 |
| JohnnyMast | well remember commenting on ttb ? | 10:13 |
| raphink | mhm | 10:13 |
| JohnnyMast | sorry hi btw :) | 10:13 |
| JohnnyMast | i fixed that things you noticed | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | we're watching at the end of free software in france | 10:14 |
| raphink | I'll brb | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | direct live..... | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | ufckin' politicians | 10:14 |
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| xhaker | anyone here can talk about eclipse issues in dapper? more like libswt3.1-gtk-java issue | 10:22 |
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| xhaker | who works with eclipse? | 10:34 |
| xhaker | raphink, do you know who is "responsible" for the eclipse package? | 10:34 |
| xhaker | packages! | 10:35 |
| raphink | hmm no idea | 10:35 |
| Kyral | Now I have to remember how to add an email address to my key | 10:35 |
| raphink | Maintainer: Debian Java Maintainers <pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> | 10:35 |
| xhaker | i know.. | 10:35 |
| raphink | Kyral: edit it and create a new id | 10:35 |
| xhaker | but there is no Changed-by line | 10:35 |
| xhaker | i doesn't look synched directly is it? | 10:36 |
| raphink | no idea | 10:36 |
| Kyral | raphink: adduid? | 10:36 |
| raphink | hmm yes I think so | 10:36 |
| raphink | I did it some time ago | 10:36 |
| === raphink thinks about leaving France and go abroad | ||
| xhaker | raphink, where? | 10:37 |
| raphink | no idea | 10:37 |
| xhaker | canada? | 10:37 |
| xhaker | lol | 10:37 |
| raphink | but this country is a shame | 10:37 |
| raphink | I used to be proud of it | 10:37 |
| xhaker | sweden is pretty cool | 10:37 |
| Kyral | Does anyone use Seahorse for GPG? | 10:37 |
| raphink | in a few days, we'll be illegal using Linux here | 10:37 |
| raphink | or so it seems | 10:37 |
| xhaker | lol | 10:37 |
| xhaker | can't be exactly that | 10:38 |
| xhaker | that would be lame | 10:38 |
| raphink | oh yes it can be | 10:38 |
| raphink | they're about to vote a law | 10:38 |
| raphink | that may make open-source software illegal in france | 10:38 |
| raphink | the law is being discussed right now | 10:39 |
| raphink | but there are like 10 people present | 10:39 |
| raphink | becaues it's 10PM, it's christmas and the law has been considered an urgency by the experts | 10:39 |
| sistpoty | raphink: is it true, that all programs that could distribute copyrighted material w.o. force using drm would then be illegal? | 10:39 |
| raphink | so there can't be a democratic debate around it | 10:39 |
| raphink | sistpoty: it seems so | 10:39 |
| raphink | Ooo would be illegal, VLC, and many more | 10:40 |
| raphink | that's what it seems | 10:40 |
| raphink | no wonder I'm ready to be judged for this if I'm caught | 10:40 |
| sistpoty | raphink: all email-progs/web-browsers/ftp-clients? | 10:40 |
| raphink | but I won't stop developping and using open source programs | 10:40 |
| raphink | yes sistpoty | 10:40 |
| raphink | can't watch DVDs and listen to CDs anymore on Linux | 10:40 |
| raphink | can't watch streams | 10:40 |
| raphink | access many websites | 10:40 |
| seth_k|lappy | That would make Linux itself pretty much illegal | 10:41 |
| raphink | taht's what it seems | 10:41 |
| raphink | seth_k|lappy: exactly | 10:41 |
| raphink | the weird thing though | 10:41 |
| sistpoty | that would make windows as illegal as linux as well | 10:41 |
| raphink | is that our army is about to use linux | 10:41 |
| raphink | that big parts of the government use it | 10:41 |
| raphink | sistpoty: no, becaues they'd use DRM | 10:41 |
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| raphink | so that only wma would be allowed for music | 10:41 |
| sistpoty | for outlook? wow | 10:41 |
| raphink | only wmv for video | 10:42 |
| raphink | etc. | 10:42 |
| raphink | let's wait a see, but it seems it's gonna be terrible | 10:42 |
| sistpoty | yes... my best wishes to come to make the right decision goes to the french government | 10:43 |
| raphink | oh well | 10:43 |
| raphink | sometimes you wonder if this is even a democracy | 10:43 |
| xhaker | lol | 10:43 |
| raphink | Virgin came to the assembly to introduce their new download services to ministers | 10:43 |
| raphink | in the middle of the "democratic debate" | 10:44 |
| raphink | they were invited by the ministers and the president of the congress himself | 10:44 |
| raphink | :( | 10:44 |
| sistpoty | :( | 10:44 |
| lucas | it wasn't "in the middle of". | 10:44 |
| raphink | well quite | 10:44 |
| lucas | raphink: do you know of a good summary of DADVSI ? | 10:44 |
| lucas | in english ? | 10:44 |
| seth_k|lappy | raphink, who backs this motion? software companies? | 10:44 |
| raphink | hmmm | 10:44 |
| raphink | in english ... not sure | 10:44 |
| raphink | seth_k|lappy: yes | 10:45 |
| raphink | Universal, Microsoft, Virgin, etc. | 10:45 |
| raphink | it seems from what I heard that after the previous attemps were rejected | 10:45 |
| raphink | experts decided that the law had to pass as an urgency | 10:45 |
| raphink | without a real debate | 10:46 |
| Kyral | well, now I wait for my new key to spread through the Keyservers | 10:46 |
| raphink | that would prevent it from being voted | 10:46 |
| raphink | Kyral: :) | 10:46 |
| raphink | Kyral: I hope I can do that in a few weeks :) | 10:46 |
| Kyral | then I reupload EasyChem with kyral@ubuntu.com | 10:46 |
| raphink | lucas I don't think there is an english summary anywhere | 10:46 |
| raphink | Kyral: hehe | 10:46 |
| sistpoty | btw.: does anyone know why fpc (freepascal) isn't in dapper? did we drop it just because it would have needed bootstrapping? | 10:47 |
| Kyral | Now I think I have to change all my mailing lists lol | 10:48 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: you mean your email-address? | 10:49 |
| Kyral | yah | 10:49 |
| Kyral | I meant change it to the email address | 10:49 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: you can do the change for all hosted on lists.ubuntu.com basically with two clicks (there is an option to change all) | 10:49 |
| === sistpoty did this once | ||
| xhaker | sistpoty, do you want/need freepascal? | 10:50 |
| sistpoty | I want it :) and I want to package lazarus, at least if it's as good as the screenshots | 10:50 |
| Kyral | Now do I have to get kyral@ubuntu.com into REVU before I upload again? | 10:54 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: is it the same key? | 10:54 |
| Kyral | sistpoty: yah | 10:54 |
| Kyral | I just tagged a new email onto it | 10:54 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: then you can continue uploading... | 10:54 |
| Kyral | slomo_ is gonna kill me | 10:55 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: if you want, I can change your email (otherwise your old will be displayed) | 10:55 |
| Kyral | he's gonna have to advocate again | 10:55 |
| Kyral | sistpoty: I need to change it in the changelog | 10:55 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: why so? | 10:55 |
| Kyral | sistpoty: because I'd rather use @ubuntu.com instead of my school email for packaging business | 10:56 |
| Kyral | I know it redirects there, but its the appearance :D | 10:56 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: hm... then you'll have to change it ;) | 10:56 |
| Kyral | and uploaded | 11:01 |
| Kyral | now can I please get two votes on this thing already? ;P | 11:03 |
| desrt | this france thing is absolutely comical | 11:04 |
| desrt | it's worse than the european patent thing... and that was pretty comical | 11:04 |
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| Kyral | lol slomo_ has to vote on EasyChem AGAIN | 11:06 |
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| Kyral | I really wish this thing would just be fully advocated | 11:09 |
| xhaker | desrt, the european patent thing is somewhat what happens in the US | 11:11 |
| JohnnyMast | any italian around ? | 11:12 |
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| sivang | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips is very good. should be linked top level somwhere | 11:16 |
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| lucas | d | 11:21 |
| lucas | gnight | 11:21 |
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| lifeless | Kyral: pong | 11:37 |
| lifeless | ogra: pong | 11:37 |
| Kyral | lifeless: too late | 11:37 |
| lifeless | what as it ? | 11:38 |
| ogra | lifeless, to late and obsolete as well :) | 11:38 |
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| StevenK | Mithrandir: Kamion says you should have uploaded using dpkg-buildpackage -v<LAST_UBUNTU_VERSION> for the merge upload you did for me, and to kick you. | 11:41 |
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| lifeless | Kyral, ogra what was it about ? | 11:44 |
| ogra | lifeless, azeem applied for membership and i always try to catch the people who worke with an applicant to give a insight how helpful he/she is | 11:45 |
| lifeless | ok | 11:45 |
| ogra | but since he had no time to attend anyway, he is postponed to the next CC meeting | 11:46 |
| ogra | i just thought you could say some nice words about him ;) | 11:46 |
| lifeless | when is that, I can make sure I'm around | 11:46 |
| === StevenK kicks Mithrandir, just once. | ||
| ogra | in two weeks (if there is one) | 11:46 |
| lifeless | ogra: time ? | 11:47 |
| lifeless | ogra: or it is always the same time (and what is that) | 11:47 |
| ogra | no idea yet, but usually its around 20:00 UTC | 11:47 |
| StevenK | The last CC meeting I attended was 14:00 UTC, which made it 01:00 AEST. | 11:48 |
| ogra | we wanted to rotate slightly, but that didnt happen for quite some time | 11:48 |
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| sistpoty | bah... 88->105 unassigned merges | 12:01 |
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