[12:02] <ajmitch> something like that, though you can probably drop the / in between
[12:02] <ajmitch> bbl
[12:02] <LaserJock> or should I get rid of $(PREFIX) altogether?
[12:17] <poningru> guys question is rufus in the repos for dapper?
[12:17] <poningru> http://rufus.sourceforge.net/index.php
[12:21] <eruin> poningru, no
[12:21] <poningru> eruin: is it just that no one has packaged it or...?
[12:22] <eruin> I haven't seen any talk about it and it isn't in the dapper repos atm
[12:22] <eruin> but then I'm not a dev either ;)
[12:23] <Kyral> hello
[12:33] <minghua> they had an interview for the Debian KDE maintainer group, I suppose one for Kubuntu people will follow soon?
[12:43] <Kyral> hmm
[12:44] <Kyral> anyone know of a good package that has an example postinst file?
[12:47] <Kyral> or tell me how one is layed out?
[12:48] <Kyral> ...
[12:48] <minghua> many postinst files are auto-generated by debhelper
[12:48] <Kyral> yah well, I need to custom one
[12:48] <minghua> the one for gcc is hand-written and looks very good to me
[12:48] <minghua> and short
[12:49] <Kyral> I'm customizing OpenAFS for my Linux Lab and basically need to wget all the config files from our server on install
[12:49] <minghua> but I don't really understand the question, it's just a shell script
[12:49] <Kyral> Thank you thats all I needed to know :D
[12:49] <minghua> or maybe even any script
[12:49] <Kyral> its a Bash Script :D
[12:50] <Kyral> Backup the default install files, wget the config files
[12:50] <Kyral> on Remove restore the changed files
[12:55] <Kyral> oh sweet
[12:55] <Kyral> openafs already has postinst
[01:17] <poningru> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=3ab98d4e1bee47890a8df8eaf101f2df&t=57590&page=2
[01:17] <poningru> how come rufus is not in the repos?
[01:18] <LaserJock> poningru: because Debian doesn't have it?
[01:20] <LaserJock> poningru: there is a rufus package on REVU
[01:20] <poningru> oh ok
[01:21] <poningru> doh
[01:21] <poningru> I could have sworn I searched there
[01:21] <poningru> sorry about that
[01:23] <StevenK> Any MOTU around?
[01:23] <lifeless> whats the question?
[01:24] <Kyral> 10 bucks says he wants a package reviewed :P
[01:24] <StevenK> Actually, I'd like a package uploaded.
[01:25] <Kyral> lol
[01:26] <Kyral> yah yah
[01:26] <StevenK> wnn6-sdk 1.0.0-13 was autosync'd, and it doesn't build due to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config moving. I've got a 4K debdiff that fixes the FTBFS.
[01:26] <seth_k|lappy> sweet, I can eat tomorrow
[01:26] <Mithrandir> StevenK: where's the diff?
[01:26] <StevenK> http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/wnn6-sdk_1.0.0-13ubuntu1.debdiff
[01:29] <Mithrandir> you're whitelisted in the katie setup, right?
[01:29] <StevenK> I am.
[01:29] <StevenK> I just need to attend a TB meeting and beg for upload rights. :-)
[01:29] <Mithrandir> uploaded
[01:29] <Mithrandir> fuck
[01:29] <StevenK> (And get my u.c address, but that's another problem.)
[01:29] <Mithrandir> why is it a native package?
[01:30] <Mithrandir> please kick the Debian maintainer to have that fixed.
[01:30] <Kyral> StevenK: you dont have your @ubuntu yet either?
[01:30] <StevenK> Mithrandir: I shall. I was going to file my patch in the BTS
[01:30] <StevenK> Kyral: Nope.
[01:30] <StevenK> Well, at least I don't think so.
[01:30] <Kyral> StevenK: join me in pinging elmo tomorrow after the CC Meeting ;P
[01:30] <Mithrandir> StevenK: it's probably an oversight on his part.  Anyway, it's already uploaded, so.
[01:31] <Kyral> Mithrandir: you MOTU?
[01:31] <StevenK> Kyral: When is the CC meeting?
[01:31] <Kyral> StevenK: Tomorrow....no time yet
[01:31] <Mithrandir> Kyral: no. :-)
[01:32] <StevenK> Yeah, that happened with the TB meeting, and I missed it.
[01:32] <Kyral> StevenK: I'll just idle in there all day lol
[01:32] <Mithrandir> Kyral: I predate the MOTU structure. ;-)
[01:32] <Kyral> this is miffing me now
[01:32] <Kyral> I have a package on REVU that only needs one more vote
[01:32] <Mithrandir> that is, I was one of the people who were present when we came up with the name etc.
[01:32] <Kyral> damn you are an old timer lol
[01:33] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Thanks, I just got the katie mail.
[01:33] <Mithrandir> StevenK: woo katie. :-)
[01:33] <Kyral> who is katie? </Dumb Question>
[01:34] <StevenK> The archive scripts.
[01:34] <Mithrandir> Kyral: the program which sends you email when you upload something.
[01:34] <Mithrandir> StevenK: next time, I'd love it if you didn't have absolute paths in your patches, since patch -p didn't cope well with it.
[01:34] <Kyral> oh I was thinking it was a real person
[01:34] <seth_k|lappy> lol
[01:34] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Blame debdiff
[01:34] <Mithrandir> StevenK: use interdiff instead. :-)
[01:34] <minghua> debian use girl names for their infrastructure script names
[01:34] <Kyral> ah
[01:35] <Mithrandir> minghua: for now.  They're going away, though.
[01:35] <StevenK> Well, to be pedantic, jennifer sends the email, since katie is just a library now.
[01:35] <Kyral> I'd love to upload a new version of EasyChem with my @ubuntu lol
[01:35] <minghua> Mithrandir: yeah, dak is supposed to supersede quite a few girls, but I suppose not all?
[01:36] <Mithrandir> minghua: dak is just a name for the whole suite of scripts.
[01:36] <Mithrandir> but yes, there'll be a dak $foo command
[01:36] <Mithrandir> I thought they all were going away, but I haven't watched that space closely.
[01:36] <Mithrandir> also, people tend to use the name katie and dak somewhat interchangeably.
[01:37] <minghua> well, as you said, the name will become a command anyway
[01:47] <zul> hey
[01:48] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:49] <Kyral> hey
[01:52] <minghua> hi zul, sistpoty
[02:38] <lifeless> hmm
[02:38] <lifeless> stumbleupon broken :[
[02:49] <seth_k|lappy> Can a MOTU push this tiny little upload for me? It just adds a Categories line to a .desktop file. It's https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qt-x11-free/+bug/5817
[02:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5817: x11-free (Ubuntu) - qt3-designer: missing category in .desktop file In: qt-x11-free (Ubuntu), Severity: Minor, Assigned to: Kubuntu Team, Status: PendingUpload https://launchpad.net/bugs/5817
[02:52] <sistpoty> seth_k|lappy: I'll take a look
[02:52] <seth_k|lappy> thanks sistpoty :)
[02:53] <sistpoty> seth_k|lappy: nope, can't do that... this is a main package
[02:54] <raphink> hi sistpoty :)
[02:54] <sistpoty> hi raphink
[02:54] <raphink> sistpoty: would you have time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1105 too ?
[02:54] <seth_k|lappy> sistpoty, um, I thought it said universe... Filename: pool/universe/q/qt-x11-free/qt3-designer_3.3.5-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[02:54] <sistpoty> seth_k|lappy: ah, k... I just looked at bug title
[02:54] <sistpoty> raphink: it's in the q ;)
[02:55] <seth_k|lappy> phew, you scared me for a second sistpoty ;) I thought I messed up again
[02:55] <raphink> sistpoty: oh you plan a q for your reviews ? :)
[02:55] <sistpoty> no... q for my work-queue ;)
[02:55] <raphink> huuu
[02:56] <sistpoty> hehe... /me is a little bit tired as well
[02:56] <sistpoty> seth_k|lappy: phew... that'
[02:57] <sistpoty> +s a 17mb source package... maybe I'll do that tomorrow
[02:57] <seth_k|lappy> np, should I assign it to a different team than Kubuntu team so you remember?
[02:58] <seth_k|lappy> or is it okay, you'll just put it in the queue ;)
[02:59] <sistpoty> seth_k|lappy: args... wrong again... I just downloaded qt-x11-free :/
[03:00] <seth_k|lappy> no sistpoty, that's right
[03:00] <seth_k|lappy> qt3-designer is provided by qt-x11-free
[03:00] <seth_k|lappy> there are several apps in that source package
[03:00] <seth_k|lappy> oh wait, but you downloaded the whole... never mind :P
[03:00] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[03:01] <sistpoty> seth_k|lappy: hm... but qt-x11-free *is* in main
[03:01] <seth_k|lappy> ahhhhhh
[03:01] <seth_k|lappy> confusing
[03:01] <seth_k|lappy> :)
[03:01] <minghua> universe binary package from main source, it seems? :-)
[03:01] <sistpoty> yep
[03:02] <raphink> oo
[03:02] <raphink> intersting
[03:02] <raphink> didn't know that could happen
[03:02] <raphink> ;)
[03:02] <seth_k|lappy> I dunno, I can't even find qt-x11-free on packages.ubuntu.com
[03:02] <raphink> obviously the opposite couldn't be
[03:02] <seth_k|lappy> I didn't know you could do that either
[03:03] <minghua> Hmm, SVK is apparently quite buggy
[03:03] <raphink> having the source in universe building packages in main would break the system logic
[03:03] <raphink> s/system logic/logic of the system/
[03:03] <seth_k|lappy> okay, well thank you anyways sistpoty, for taking time for me :)
[03:03] <sistpoty> np seth_k|lappy
[03:03] <minghua> seth_k|lappy: I suppose you didn't check the "source packages" checkbox :-)
[03:04] <seth_k|lappy> minghua, yeah, I found it afterwards
[03:05] <seth_k|lappy> ooh, hi SloMoSnail, did you ever have a chance to REVU kmobiletools? ;)
[03:05] <raphink> hi SloMoSnail
[03:19] <sistpoty> raphink: kyamo looks nice... if it builds well, I'll upload it
[03:19] <raphink> ok :)
[03:19] <raphink> I've got autostart too : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1209
[03:19] <raphink> quite small
[03:19] <raphink> ;)
[03:20] <sistpoty> btw.: raphink: is software on kde-apps listed permanently? if not, it might be prudent to update the link in copyright to sourceforge
[03:21] <raphink> they are listed permanently as far as i know
[03:21] <raphink> only there are filters
[03:21] <sistpoty> ah, ok :)
[03:22] <raphink> mostly on the opinion on apps
[03:22] <seth_k|lappy> sistpoty, if you have time again, package "kmobiletools" on REVU needs review+advocates (Riddell already advocated)
[03:22] <raphink> but there's often more chances to find an app on kde-apps when it has been there
[03:22] <raphink> than to be sure the website still exists
[03:22] <raphink> for small projects
[03:22] <sistpoty> I really like the screenshots there :)
[03:23] <sistpoty> seth_k|lappy: ok, I'll take a look...
[03:23] <seth_k|lappy> thanks :)
[03:24] <Kyral> anyone know if the Prism2 wireless chipset is supported in the kernel?
[03:24] <raphink> hi ajmitch
[03:25] <raphink> sistpoty: you mean on kde-apps?
[03:25] <sistpoty> raphink: yep
[03:25] <raphink> so users can see what apps look like from adept or synaptic
[03:26] <raphink> it often helps me better to understand wht they do
[03:26] <raphink> than the description that is given
[03:26] <bmonty> raphink: what about console apps?
[03:26] <raphink> even a screenshot of a console app makes me happy
[03:26] <raphink> because I ccan just see what kind of output I can expect
[03:26] <seth_k|lappy> well you're just easy to please then :)
[03:26] <raphink> from what kind of arguments given
[03:27] <raphink> seth_k|lappy: there's nothing wrong with this :)
[03:27] <seth_k|lappy> nope ;)
[03:27] <desrt> raphink; the .deb is downloaded only after you decide to install the package
[03:27] <raphink> desrt: yes I know that, so then a database linked to Packages.gz is what I meant ;)
[03:27] <desrt> raphink; for what you're suggesting you'd need a screenshot server or something (since screenshots are definitely too large to include inside the apt data)
[03:27] <raphink> sorry for the confusion
[03:28] <hub> Kyral: prism2 should work out of the box
[03:28] <raphink> the apt data could contain links to screenshots
[03:28] <Kyral> hub: tell that to my friend in #ubuntu
[03:28] <raphink> that woudl then be loaded from the server in adept/synaptic
[03:28] <bmonty> hopefully it only grabs the screenshot when you want to look at it!
[03:28] <raphink> just an idea though ;)
[03:28] <hub> Kyral: I'm not on #ubuntu
[03:28] <Kyral> hub: said that the 2.4 kernel of DSL picked it up but the 2.6 didn't
[03:29] <Kyral> hub: whats the module name if you know
[03:29] <raphink> desrt: i've got some ideas on what the future of such apps could be
[03:29] <raphink> more like finkkommander imo
[03:29] <raphink> and using translations too
[03:29] <raphink> so you don't have to understand english in order to find the app you need
[03:29] <hub> Kyral: prism2
[03:29] <desrt> ah.  like translated package names?
[03:30] <desrt> or just translated descriptions?
[03:30] <bmonty> brb
[03:30] <raphink> translated descriptions desrt
[03:30] <minghua> the problem with localized package description is never the package manager (apt supports it now for that matter), but the translations of the descriptions themselves
[03:30] <desrt> it's a shame that translation is an n*m problem
[03:30] <raphink> using multiple entries in debian/control for example
[03:31] <raphink> minghua there could be a way of translating descriptions using rosetta maybe
[03:31] <raphink> although i have no idea how easy it would be to adapt rosetta to translating debian/control files
[03:31] <minghua> raphink: not sure, never used rosetta myself seriously
[03:32] <raphink> rosetta is a great translation enhancer
[03:32] <raphink> hehe
[03:33] <jsgotangco> minghua, are you maintaining scim in universe at the moment?
[03:33] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[03:33] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, hello sir
[03:33] <minghua> jsgotangco: yes
[03:33] <jsgotangco> minghua, ok so its ok if i refer you to the korean team? they can help
[03:34] <minghua> jsgotangco: sure, would be wonderful to get some help (I'm the one-man team now :-)
[03:34] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: I rate a sir now? impressive
[03:34] <sistpoty> raphink: build complete, however lintian still complains: kyamo: executable-not-elf-or-script ./usr/share/applications/kde/kyamo.desktop
[03:34] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, yes, being the MOTU professor that you are heh
[03:34] <sistpoty> raphink: maybe you could remove execute rights for this?
[03:35] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: not a professor
[03:35] <ajmitch> sistpoty: the merge list isn't shrinking fast enough :)
[03:35] <raphink> Oh I dn't have this in lintian sistpoty, that's interesting
[03:35] <raphink> so maybe I could dh_install with 644 mode
[03:35] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I already did wipe some removed apps today ;)
[03:36] <raphink> hmm no
[03:36] <raphink> wrong
[03:36] <sistpoty> raphink: it's in lintian if you run it on the deb
[03:36] <raphink> hmm ok
[03:36] <raphink> I don't have the deb right here I belive
[03:36] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I've uploaded a couple today, and have a couple to request syncs for
[03:36] <raphink> let's see
[03:36] <raphink> oh yes right it says it
[03:36] <raphink> :)
[03:36] <sistpoty> ajmitch: and i guess tiber is a little "slow" atm... since I'm building ghc6 atm ;)
[03:37] <raphink> sistpoty: ok well you decide whether it deserve to be fixed ;)
[03:37] <raphink> if so, i'll do it tomorrow
[03:37] <raphink> too tired right now
[03:38] <sistpoty> raphink: it's only a small change... I'll give my ok now and since the debdiff will be small, I'll upload it once you have it fixed... ok?
[03:38] <raphink> sure
[03:38] <raphink> :)
[03:38] <raphink> and I'll report to upstream
[03:38] <raphink> since it comes from them
[03:38] <sistpoty> :)
[03:38] <raphink> I shan't use a patch for this i guess
[03:38] <raphink> only a chmod in rules
[03:40] <raphink> sistpoty: what chmod shall I use instead ? 644 right?
[03:41] <sistpoty> raphink: erm... no idea for desktop files... but 644 seems to make sense
[03:41] <raphink> yes I just checked on other desktop files in the system
[03:41] <raphink> it's 644
[03:41] <raphink> quite logical
[03:44] <ajmitch> sistpoty: still.. 485 merges done so far is pretty good
[03:44] <Kyral> okay bug
[03:44] <Kyral> for some reason the prism2_cs module isn't included in the default install
[03:44] <sistpoty> ajmitch: MoM is still two days ahead of the merge list :/
[03:44] <ajmitch> sistpoty: oh? how so?
[03:45] <ajmitch> what do you mean by 2 days ahead?
[03:45] <sistpoty> ajmitch: latest MoM log I parsed for the merge list is from 12/17... latest MoM log present is 12/19
[03:45] <raphink> sistpoty: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1249
[03:45] <ajmitch> ok
[03:45] <ajmitch> so reparse it ;)
[03:45] <raphink> changed to 644
[03:45] <seth_k|lappy> Anyone have a quick tip on how I could find every occurrence of a string in all files in a directory, and replace the string with another?
[03:45] <raphink> that's one line diff ;)
[03:45] <ajmitch> there shouldn't be too many more merges for us to do
[03:46] <ajmitch> find & sed :)
[03:46] <sistpoty> ajmitch: will do that once the next log comes in... ok? if you want it earlier, I mailed to admin@tiber how to do it ;)
[03:46] <raphink> I'd say find -> $file variable
[03:46] <seth_k|lappy> ajmitch, find instead of rgrep?
[03:46] <raphink> then for $file -> sed with a tmp
[03:47] <ajmitch> raphink: sounds overly complex
[03:47] <raphink> ajmitch: well it's 3:47AM so i'm complex
[03:47] <raphink> lol
[03:47] <ajmitch> hehe
[03:47] <seth_k|lappy> oh psh, here we go. Kfilereplace will do it
[03:47] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I'm not in a rush, I'm going away in a couple of days
[03:47] <raphink> I should rather be dreaming straight than trying to think straight
[03:47] <ajmitch> and there's no way I'll get all my merges cleared before Christmas
[03:48] <sistpoty> ah... holidays?
[03:48] <raphink> sistpoty: got my link?
[03:48] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:48] <sistpoty> raphink: yep... just rebuilding
[03:48] <ajmitch> I'll be away for only a week
[03:48] <raphink> ok :)
[03:48] <raphink> well I just added 644 to dh_install
[03:48] <ajmitch> and after that I'll have *lots* of spare time for ubuntu ;)
[03:49] <raphink> :)
[03:49] <sistpoty> yeehaa :)
[03:50] <ajmitch> sigh
[03:50] <ajmitch> broken i386 buildd
[03:50] <ajmitch> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[03:50] <ajmitch> Build environment unusable, giving back
[03:50] <ajmitch> yay
[03:50] <raphink> :s
[03:53] <raphink> sistpoty: I have to admit i couldn't test the change on a dapper box, since I have no dapper box here, only a dapper pbuilder
[03:54] <raphink> and no chroot installed so far
[03:54] <raphink> so if you get sure it fixes the chmod stuff it's good :)
[03:54] <ajmitch> oh dear
[03:54] <sistpoty> raphink: but you can test installing w. piuparts ;)
[03:54] <raphink> I'm a breezy right now
[03:54] <sistpoty> raphink: or just look inside the deb
[03:54] <ajmitch> and you can unpack your pbuilder base tarball for a permanent chroot
[03:54] <raphink> sure sistpoty
[03:54] <raphink> mhm
[03:55] <raphink> well it's too late to think about this
[03:55] <raphink> lol
[03:55] <raphink> and I just know adding 644 to dh_install is enough to install the file with 644 chmod
[03:55] <sistpoty> raphink: cp: cannot stat `./644': No such file or directory
[03:56] <raphink> argh
[03:56] <raphink> hmm
[03:56] <ajmitch> hehe
[03:56] <raphink> grrr
[03:56] <raphink> mooh
[03:57] <raphink> sorry for that sistpoty :(
[03:57] <sistpoty> raphink: np... trying to built it wasn't really much work... at least not human work ;)
[03:57] <raphink> I forgot -m
[03:57] <raphink> so it's
[03:57] <raphink> dh_install -m 644 myfile
[03:58] <raphink> let's change it
[03:58] <raphink> and this time I'll build it to check
[04:08] <raphink> hmmm
[04:08] <raphink> sistpoty: pb is that dh_fixperms is ran after the install rule
[04:09] <raphink> so it overrides the dh_install -m 644
[04:09] <raphink> do you think I can move the install of the desktop file to a post-install rule?
[04:09] <raphink> :s
[04:11] <sistpoty> raphink: not quite sure how exactly cdbs handles this
[04:11] <raphink> yes
[04:15] <raphink> I think I found a way sistpoty
[04:15] <raphink> I'll try it
[04:15] <raphink> :)
[04:15] <SEJeff> Kyral: ping
[04:16] <sistpoty> raphink: using dh_desktop or s.th.?
[04:16] <Kyral> SEJeff: pong
[04:16] <raphink> DB_FIXPERMS_EXCLUDE := src/kyamo.desktop
[04:16] <SEJeff> Kyral: You do the kernel / initrd stuff right?
[04:16] <Kyral> SEJeff: whaa? No...I'm just a MOTU Wannabe
[04:17] <SEJeff> Kyral: I must be smokin' crack tonight... sorry
[04:17] <Kyral> I mean I know my way around a kernel compile, but I don't trust myself to compile a kernel for thousands of people
[04:17] <sistpoty> SEJeff: you might want to ask benc in -devel
[04:17] <raphink> I'll see if that does it
[04:17] <SEJeff> sistpoty: Thanks
[04:22] <ajmitch> yay, another sync to request
[04:25] <minghua> okay, tomorrow's CC meeting time is still TBD, I don't think I'll make it
[04:25] <raphink> pffffff
[04:25] <raphink> yeah it' shard to be on time when it's planned on TBD
[04:27] <bmonty> ajmitch: elmo has been getting the syncs done quickly
[04:27] <ajmitch> bmonty: yeah, I'm just building up a list of them so I just make 1 request
[04:27] <ajmitch>  du -sh /home/ajmitch/debian/pbuilder/
[04:27] <ajmitch> 5.3G    /home/ajmitch/debian/pbuilder/
[04:27] <ajmitch> hm
[04:27] <ajmitch> I think I should clean that up ;)
[04:27] <bmonty> yeah
[04:27] <StevenK> Is that your results dir?
[04:27] <ajmitch> no
[04:28] <ajmitch> results is only 800
[04:28] <ajmitch> 2.6G    /home/ajmitch/debian/pbuilder/build
[04:28] <ajmitch> builds not getting cleaned up
[04:28] <StevenK> steven@broken:~% ls /var/cache/pbuilder/build
[04:28] <StevenK> 1165  14690  1630  17333  20376  20899  2167  21957  24697  28804  4585
[04:28] <StevenK> Seems I have the same problem.
[04:28] <ajmitch> > ls
[04:28] <bmonty> should ubuntu debs create python2.3 packages at all?
[04:28] <ajmitch> 10319/  1138/  1152/  11882/  16209/  18391/  20098/  20220/  20975/  23938/  25022/  27598/  31232/  31728/  4294/  6435/  8332/
[04:29] <minghua> don't forget to umount the proc's and dev's beform rm them
[04:29] <ajmitch> bmonty: they still can
[04:29] <ajmitch> minghua: these are old
[04:29] <ajmitch> minghua: the most recent is > a month old
[04:29] <bmonty> ajmitch: yeah, but is there any point in it?  should python2.3 code work with 2.4?
[04:29] <minghua> ajmitch: depend on when was your last reboot ;-)
[04:29] <ajmitch> minghua: about 3 days ago ;)
[04:30] <ajmitch> stupid athlon xp & its overheating
[04:30] <ajmitch> bmonty: there is a point in it
[04:30] <ajmitch> but doko is working on redoing the system system in debian & ubuntu
[04:30] <ajmitch> s/system/python/
[04:30] <StevenK> Yeah, my dual Athlon is starting to overheat due to summer.
[04:31] <ajmitch> CPU:         +83C  (low  =    +0C, high =   +70C)  ALARM (HIGH)
[04:31] <ajmitch> that's sitting fairly idle
[04:31] <ajmitch> once it gets above 92/93, it reboots ;)
[04:31] <minghua> new scim-hangul built and installed, and no segfaults - seems a good start :-)
[04:31] <StevenK> Mine just hard locks. :-/
[04:32] <StevenK> I wouldn't mind a pleiter (sp?) for both of my processors.
[04:32] <jsgotangco> minghua, awesome
[04:32] <ajmitch> peltier
[04:33] <jsgotangco> minghua, 0.2.1?
[04:33] <minghua> jsgotangco: I'll probably be co-maintainer of scim-hangul pretty soon :-)
[04:33] <minghua> jsgotangco: yes
[04:37] <sistpoty> seth_k|lappy: kmobiletools is fine... will upload in a minute
[04:37] <seth_k|lappy> sistpoty, awesome! thank you :)
[04:37] <bmonty> my father-in-law uses a 120VAC fan from one of his HF amplifiers to keep his CPU nice and cool
[04:38] <bmonty> sounds like a jet engine though
[04:38] <seth_k|lappy> sistpoty, notice it's a new package... am I supposed to have 3 advocates first?
[04:38] <ajmitch> bmonty: sadly my computer is in my bedroom
[04:38] <sistpoty> seth_k|lappy: no, it's 2 advocates
[04:38] <ajmitch> so I can't have anything too noisy :)
[04:38] <seth_k|lappy> ah, okay
[04:38] <lifeless> ajmitch: earplugs
[04:39] <StevenK> It's nice having a whole house to spread out in.
[04:39] <minghua> jsgotangco: what are the korean team you mentioned planning to do?
[04:39] <bmonty> ajmitch: its all about moving air past the heat sinks
[04:39] <ajmitch> bmonty: I know
[04:39] <minghua> jsgotangco: are they working on something similar to ubuntu-jp?
[04:40] <bmonty> this hotel internet connection sucks...and I have to pay
[04:40] <jsgotangco> minghua, well the korean team knows what to do with regards to test and bugzilla, but doesn't know where to start and im helping them on pointing to resources...
[04:40] <jsgotangco> (i can't even read hangeul for starters)
[04:41] <jsgotangco> minghua, but they're interested on what ubuntu-jp has done and want to do something similar
[04:41] <jsgotangco> (interesting languge though)
[04:42] <minghua> jsgotangco: I see.  I've seen Atie posting some nice bug summary on BetterCJKReport page, I like his approach
[04:42] <jsgotangco> yeah he's the most english-proficient among the group i'd say
[04:43] <jsgotangco> (i think he's in houston)
[04:43] <minghua> oh really?
[04:43] <sistpoty> seth_k|lappy: I've archived kmobiletools on revu, since it should hit dapper once elmo has approved it
[04:44] <Kyral> lol
[04:47] <seth_k|lappy> cheers sistpoty
[04:47] <minghua> Hmm, apparently reloading GTK IM module needs a gnome restart
[04:47] <minghua> be right back
[04:49] <bmonty> night everyone
[04:50] <minghua> ogra: ping
[04:52] <minghua> some one really should clean up the crap gnome-cups-add spit out when started at console
[04:53] <seth_k|lappy> weird. libgpod has version number 0.2.0-1ubuntu2, which means that there must be a Debian package. But it's not on packages.debian.org
[04:54] <sistpoty> seth_k|lappy: OTOH if a package is ubuntu only, it still has the -XubuntuY suffix
[04:55] <seth_k|lappy> I thought we started with -0ubuntuX
[04:55] <seth_k|lappy> instead of -1
[04:55] <seth_k|lappy> maybe just a mistake
[04:56] <ajmitch> probably was a mistake
[04:56] <ajmitch> check the changelog for who to lart
[04:56] <ajmitch> or it might have been an apt-get.org import
[04:57] <seth_k|lappy> no changelog, that's the weird thing. the whole directory doesn't even exist
[04:57] <ajmitch> strange
[04:57] <sistpoty> libgpod (0.2.0-1) dapper; urgency=low <-- initial version
[04:58] <ajmitch> blame sebuild
[04:58] <seth_k|lappy> alright
[04:58] <seth_k|lappy> http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/libg/libgpod/ has no changelog? sistpoty, where'd you find that?
[04:58] <sistpoty> seth_k|lappy: in the sourcepackage ;)
[04:58] <ajmitch> seth_k|lappy: by grabbing the source? :)
[04:59] <ajmitch> I looked it up on the dapper-changes list
[04:59] <seth_k|lappy> haha, just making sure there wasn't an easier way
[04:59] <seth_k|lappy> I was in the middle of grabbing the source ;)
[05:02] <raphink> dh_fixperms -m doesnt' seem to work :s
[05:02] <raphink> I mean
[05:02] <raphink> dh_install -m
[05:05] <minghua> XIM has been broken here for about one month
[05:05] <minghua> I really should go submit a bug
[05:11] <sistpoty> raphink: have you tried DEB_DH_FIXPERMS_ARGS?
[05:11] <raphink> I've tried quite a lot of things
[05:11] <raphink> I'll go for a simple chmod after the dh_insta
[05:12] <raphink> and i'll chang emore things actually
[05:12] <raphink> I need a patch for pot files for rosetta
[05:14] <sistpoty> raphink: maybe even DEB_FIXPERMS_EXCLUDE could do the trick
[05:15] <raphink> I tried it sistpoty
[05:15] <raphink> it didn't work
[05:15] <sistpoty> hm
[05:17] <raphink> ;)
[05:19] <seth_k|lappy> sistpoty, if I am doing a new upstream version of libgpod, it's okay to reset to 0.3.0-0ubuntu1 (instead of 0.3.0-1ubuntu) right?
[05:20] <sistpoty> seth_k|lappy: yes
[05:21] <seth_k|lappy> alright :) onto REVU it goes
[05:22] <raphink> sistpoty: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1251
[05:23] <raphink> and the diff you want to look at is http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=1105&upid2=1251
[05:23] <raphink> (diff with the version you approved)
[05:23] <raphink> this is nto a very bid diff
[05:23] <raphink> I added my changes to changelog, which doesn't affect building
[05:23] <raphink> added the chmod to rules, which I tested
[05:24] <raphink> and added a patch to generate pot files for rosetta
[05:26] <raphink> anyway
[05:26] <raphink> good night everybody ;)
[05:26] <raphink> bye
[05:26] <sistpoty> gn8 raphink
[05:35] <minghua> wonderful, uim build-depends on libqt3-mt-dev
[05:35] <minghua> now I can do something else when my pbuilder is downloading
[05:35] <minghua> and I suppose I can starting help merging Qt packages now :-)
[05:38] <seth_k|lappy> bleh, I kinda feel the same way, gtkpod is in universe but part of libgpod isn't, now I have to wait for a new libgpod before I can do gtkpod, unless I want to set up a local apt repository
[05:41] <seth_k|lappy> Is there any process for helping package *main* packages? I'd ideally like to get libgpod 0.3 in... would ajmitch know? ;)
[05:41] <ajmitch> yes
[05:41] <ajmitch> package it
[05:41] <ajmitch> write up an inclusion report
[05:41] <ajmitch> bribe pitti
[05:41] <seth_k|lappy> no, libgpod is already in main... I just wanted to update it from 0.2 -> 0.3
[05:42] <ajmitch> oh right
[05:42] <ajmitch> bug seb, he seems to be the one who cares for it :)
[05:42] <seth_k|lappy> alrighty :) thanks
[05:46] <sistpoty> ok, I'm off to bed now... gn8 everyone
[06:00] <minghua> okay, I think I've pinned down the bug that made users cry "scim in breezy is BROKEN!"
[06:00] <minghua> happy ending for a busy day
[06:07] <minghua> ogra: ping?
[06:26] <minghua> good night everybody
[06:42] <seth_k|lappy> whoa, my local apt repository worked! fancy
[08:17] <crimsun> people need to get over the fact that an MTA isn't installed by default in the desktop
[08:17] <ajmitch> but the desktop is Under! Attack!
[08:17] <crimsun> I mean, it's REALLY difficult to more /var/mail/$USER
[08:18] <seth_k|lappy> not just the desktop
[08:18] <seth_k|lappy> UBUNTU is under attack!
[08:18] <ajmitch> oh sorry
[08:18] <seth_k|lappy> the very core of its being
[08:18] <seth_k|lappy> or sommat
[08:19] <ajmitch> someone complaining about kubuntu sucking
[08:19] <ajmitch> because it didn't ask for a root password, etc
[08:25] <crimsun> yeah, my 'd' key is definitely getting a workout
[08:26] <ajmitch> mutt is great for that
[08:26] <crimsun> :)
[08:45] <dholbach> good morning MOTUs and MOTU hopefuls of course! :-)
[08:55] <lucas> hi
[09:26] <dholbach> tomorrow is BUG DAY! hope you help all to make it a success :)
[09:27] <jsgotangco> gnome-power-manager rocks
[09:28] <dholbach> do you think it'd make sense to make universe-specific bugs lists?
[09:28] <jsgotangco> high traffic?
[09:28] <dholbach> err, i rather meant "these are UNCONFIRMED bugs", "these are NEEDINFO bugs", ...
[09:28] <dholbach> stuff like that
[09:28] <sivang> nice, seems that mono was fixed, wasn't it? monodoc now installs cleanly :)
[09:28] <dholbach> "old bugs to review"
[09:34] <sivang> ajmitch: you're reading that on u-d ?
[09:34] <ajmitch> ?
[09:34] <ajmitch> 'that' is very non-specific
[09:35] <dholbach> janimo: hey, how are you?
[09:35] <janimo> dholbach, hey, fine thanks :)
[09:35] <janimo> you?
[09:36] <dholbach> me too, thanks :)
[09:37] <janimo> is there a command line tool to quickly check current versions of packages in debian/ubuntu w/o having the specific distros installed?
[09:37] <janimo> a look in their pools on the web
[09:37] <StevenK> madison-lite
[09:37] <janimo> thanks I'll check it out
[09:38] <janimo> nope, it checks a local debian archive
[09:38] <janimo> and I don't have a mirror here
[09:41] <ajmitch> it doesn't need a full mirror
[09:41] <ajmitch> just the packages & sources lists
[09:42] <janimo> ajmitch, thanks. Still it needs updating those from time to time, if it does not peek in the pool directly as http://packages.debian.org does
[09:43] <ajmitch> yep
[09:43] <ajmitch> I have it updating in cron here
[10:32] <thesaltydog> is the "system tools" menu going to disappear in dapper?
[10:33] <dholbach> thesaltydog: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited should know
[10:33] <thesaltydog> hi dholbach, yes my question is subsequent to that page reading..
[10:34] <dholbach> well, there's not much left in there
[10:34] <thesaltydog> my gnome friend told me that the "rightE place for baobab is "system tools", as nautilus..
[10:34] <thesaltydog> the developers in cvs agreed on that... what do you suggest to do? Move it in accessories?
[10:35] <dholbach> maybe
[10:35] <dholbach> nautilus? system tools?
[10:35] <dholbach> maybe we should take the discussion to #ubuntu-desktop
[10:35] <thesaltydog> yes, ubuntu has moved nautilus in accessories, but if you look at the cvs, nautilus desktop is in system tools..
[10:36] <dholbach> in dapper it's not in accessoires
[10:36] <thesaltydog> I will contact #ubuntu-desktop
[10:36] <thesaltydog> where is nautilus in dapper (next week I will upgrade to it...)?
[10:38] <dholbach> it's hidden
[10:38] <dholbach> and that's the best they could do
[10:40] <thesaltydog> mmh..
[10:42] <thesaltydog> thanks dholbach , I'm asking to seb128 on ubuntu-desktop
[10:43] <lucas> thesaltydog: don't upgrade to dapper unless you know what you are doing
[10:44] <thesaltydog> thanks lucas, usually I know what I am doing...:-)
[10:44] <lucas> :)
[10:45] <lucas> there are lots of posts in the forums or the mailing lists by users who thought that dapper was actually usable for a random user
[10:47] <thesaltydog> thanks lucas, but as a developer since warty... I should know ! :-)
[11:51] <asbin> siretart: is it ok on REVU that anybody can't see the *_source.changes of any package ? It's "Forbidden" ...
[12:05] <Gloubiboulga> hi universe
[12:23] <siretart> asbin: yes. you don't need the .changes file for reviewing. only for uploading
[03:10] <raphink> dholbach: are you there?
[03:10] <dholbach> raphink: ouai
[03:10] <raphink> :)
[03:10] <raphink> dholbach: I modified kyamo accordingly to sistpoty's requests yesterday
[03:11] <raphink> you had advocated it before
[03:11] <dholbach> the link is?
[03:11] <raphink> could you have a look at the changes and advocate again please ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1251
[03:11] <raphink> the diff from the version you advocated is http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=1105&upid2=1251
[03:12] <dholbach> raphink: nice one, i'll upload it.
[03:12] <dholbach> (if you have no objetions)
[03:12] <raphink> thanks :)
[03:13] <raphink> sure :)
[03:13] <raphink> I've been working close to upstream on this one
[03:13] <raphink> from the very first released version on kde-aps
[03:13] <raphink> so he'll be happy to know that :)
[03:14] <dholbach> excellent -- it's nice to have close relationships to upstream
[03:14] <raphink> yes :)
[03:14] <zakame> evening all! just got back home! :D
[03:14] <raphink> hi zakame
[03:14] <jsgotangco> yo zakame
[03:14] <raphink> any news on the time of CC meeting?
[03:14] <jsgotangco> raphink, nil, unless you want to start a CC revolt
[03:14] <zakame> yeah, when's the CC meet?
[03:14] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:14] <zakame> jsgotangco: buwahaha
[03:15] <raphink> jsgotangco: lol
[03:15] <raphink> well i'm more on a DADVSI revolt right now
[03:15] <raphink> but hey
[03:15] <jsgotangco> we can grab dholbach and make him stage one
[03:15] <raphink> I'm not member yet, so I shan't revolt about the CC meeting
[03:16] <dholbach> jsgotangco: i'm on bug triage stage one :)
[03:17] <jsgotangco> gahhh its bug day jeezz
[03:18] <dholbach> tomorrow is bug day for everybody :)
[03:19] <dholbach> today it's just some weirdos doing it, but feel free to join ;)
[03:19] <dholbach> or i'll have all the funny bugs done until tomorrow :)
[03:19] <jsgotangco> hehe
[03:19] <zakame> dholbach: ooh, update /topic in #u-bugs then :) its still in 11.24
[03:19] <dholbach> jsgotangco: i meant me :)
[03:20] <dholbach> so you kick her again?
[03:20] <dholbach> zakame: thanks for the heads up
[03:20] <zakame> np :)
[03:20] <jsgotangco> no i'll ask her if she's been neglected lately because of some triage..
[03:21] <dholbach> jsgotangco: if she could speak... i think she'd say YES in capital letters ;)
[03:21] <jsgotangco> poor dog
[03:21] <dholbach> but we'll go for a big walk, when i go renting the car :)
[03:21] <dholbach> so that's fine
[03:23] <jsgotangco> dholbach, i just had a can of red bull, the evil stuff that we love at 10pm, im no a roll....
[03:23] <dholbach> you're what?
[03:24] <jsgotangco> blah silly fingers having a mind of its own
[03:28] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, the wiki page about bug day is also wrong
[03:29] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: would you mind to fix it?
[03:29] <Gloubiboulga> no problem
[03:30] <dholbach> cool, thanks
[03:31] <Gloubiboulga> done :)
[03:42] <pappan> how can one participate in motu
[03:42] <raphink> pappan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTeamHowto
[03:43] <raphink> hmm no sorry
[03:43] <raphink> :s
[03:43] <raphink> huhu
[03:44] <zakame> wb pappan
[03:46] <zakame> pappan: see /topic , there's a lot of things you can do here in MOTU ;)
[03:51] <pappan> yes i saw the url
[03:53] <pappan> but its not clear what i have to do for eg if i want to fix a bug
[03:53] <pappan> am i missing some url ??
[03:54] <pappan> i am having connection problems i guess
[03:57] <zakame> pappan: HelpingWithBugs on the wiki gives a good overview :) also see #ubuntu-bugs
[04:02] <pappan> zakame: ty i am checking out that
[04:03] <zakame> pappan: tomorrow is the bug day as well, so count on a lot of ppl helping you soon :)
[04:06] <pappan> zakame: kewl
[04:08] <pappan> zakame: are you working on any bugs ?
[04:10] <zakame> pappan: none atm, as I just got back home from a loooong trip, still catching up with mails and stuff
[04:12] <pappan> zakame: i guess by adding comments we can get attention, right ?
[04:12] <pappan> * comments in bug reports *
[04:12] <zakame> of course, as long as they're helpful :)
[04:12] <zakame> do you already have a launchpad acct?
[04:13] <pappan> zakame: yes
[04:13] <pappan> also do we want prior experience in the products i am fixing the bug for ?
[04:35] <raphink> wb pappan
[04:39] <pappan> raphink: ty
[04:39] <pappan> now looking at MOTU packaging section
[04:39] <pappan> i am having a live cd of ubuntu now
[04:39] <raphink> mhm
[04:40] <raphink> if you need help with packaging, don't hesitate to ask
[04:40] <raphink> were you told about REVU yet?
[04:40] <pappan> raphink: no
[04:40] <pappan> but i saw the mentions of REVU in the pages
[04:40] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/
[04:41] <raphink> this is the main thing we use for packaging stuff in universe
[04:41] <raphink> this interface allows you to upload packages of yours (once accepted as packager) and to get them reviewed
[04:41] <raphink> you have have a look at the entries
[04:41] <raphink> they contain links to the files
[04:41] <pappan> i saw some of them
[04:41] <raphink> and comments from reviewers
[04:41] <raphink> when a package is approved by two MOTUs, it's uploaded in universe
[04:42] <pappan> so i can take a open source project and make it get compiled in ubuntu
[04:42] <pappan> is that what is needed ?
[04:42] <zakame> pappan: REVU is basically the replacement for the UniverseCandidates wikipage
[04:42] <pappan> zakame: ok
[04:43] <pappan> but i am not finding any clear documentation on anything about how to participate ( i am newbue in contributing to open soure )
[04:43] <pappan> like what are the things i should do to participate in packaging
[04:44] <raphink> pappan: begin with reading the Debian New Maintainer's Guide imo
[04:44] <zakame> pappan: the `maint-guide' package has that DNMG
[04:46] <pappan> ty i got the debian new maintainers guide.. let me go thru it
[04:48] <zakame> pappan: rocking
[04:48] <zakame> gn8 all :D
[04:48] <raphink> hi dholbach :)
[04:49] <raphink> pappan: good luck :)
[04:53] <pappan> raphink: ty
[04:55] <pappan> raphink: i was thinking of vsftpd but its already available lol
[04:55] <raphink> hehe
[04:56] <raphink> pappan: look on kde-apps or gnome-apps
[04:56] <raphink> there you can find inspiration for gui apps
[05:03] <pappan> raphink: yes i will look into it
[05:03] <raphink> ok
[05:03] <pappan> raphink: time to go for me .. see you tomorrow
[05:03] <pappan> bye all
[05:03] <raphink> cye
[05:03] <raphink> bye
[05:14] <Kyral> Okay if anyone is awake I have a question about how to pull something off
[05:17] <raphink> slomo_: I moved autostart to kcontrol-autostart. You advocated it when it was named autostart, so here's the new link if you feel like advocating it under the new name : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1255
[05:51] <JohnnyMast> good afternoon boys (and girls ??)
[05:52] <Gloubiboulga> hello JohnnyMast
[05:52] <JohnnyMast> every thing alright ?
[05:52] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[05:59] <JohnnyMast> Gloubiboulga mighty good news
[06:01] <Gloubiboulga> Yes, I'm on holiday :)
[06:08] <Gloubiboulga> JohnnyMast, I'm working on a package named libtranslate0, but the source dir is names libtranslate-0.99
[06:08] <Gloubiboulga> so the package become a debian-native one
[06:09] <JohnnyMast> then rename the dir if you didnt do a debuild for the first run yet
[06:09] <JohnnyMast> (not sure if thats allowed)
[06:10] <JohnnyMast> at least debian forbits it
[06:10] <Gloubiboulga> hum... that's the problem
[06:10] <JohnnyMast> to quote "dont mess with the underlaying directory under debian/
[06:10] <JohnnyMast> "
[06:11] <JohnnyMast> but, im packing kryptor now wich i maintain upstream as well so i could rename the directory because its created by my own team
[06:11] <Gloubiboulga> yes, but i don't maintain upstream...
[06:12] <Gloubiboulga> Changing the package name is not a good idea either I guess
[06:13] <JohnnyMast> well no its ok btw because the upload will be
[06:13] <JohnnyMast> libtranslate-0.99-0ubuntu1
[06:15] <Gloubiboulga> ok then, I'll change the package name
[06:15] <JohnnyMast> to be sure tackle some MOTU
[06:15] <Gloubiboulga> Is there any awake MOTU around ?
[07:33] <Kyral> Hmm
[07:33] <Kyral> what is the best way to apply a bunch of customizations to a default Ubuntu install?
[07:33] <Kyral> at one sweep
[07:34] <tseng> sabyon?
[07:34] <Kyral> ...I haven't even considered Sabyon...
[07:35] <Kyral> ty tseng :D
[07:35] <tseng> np
[07:35] <Kyral> can I somehow save the setup so I can deploy it?
[07:35] <tseng> yes
[07:35] <Kyral> gracie
[07:35] <tseng> but dont ask me details :)
[07:35] <Kyral> yah
[07:35] <Kyral> I only know of Sabyon from Jeff's talk at Ubuntu Below Zero
[07:43] <Kyral> uuhh
[07:43] <Kyral> tseng, is sabyon in the repos?
[07:43] <tseng> uh
[07:44] <Kyral> I can't find it...nor can google find it
[07:44] <tseng> maybe not
[07:44] <Kyral> oy....
[07:45] <Kyral> does it have a homepage?
[07:46] <Hieronymus> Kyral: I think it is.. Treenaks told me about it once, and I remember installing it
[07:46] <Amaranth> sabayon
[07:46] <Kyral> ah
[07:46] <Kyral> thats why
[07:46] <Kyral> I misspelled
[07:46] <Amaranth> edubuntu is appearently using it
[07:48] <Kyral> So I'd still need to tweak our AFS Package
[07:48] <ogra> Amaranth, nope, not as long as you cant use it over ssh tunnels ..
[07:49] <Amaranth> oh yeah
[07:49] <Amaranth> isn't that an X thing?
[07:49] <Amaranth> i wouldn't think sabayon would have to do anything special
[07:49] <ogra> i think its an xnest prob, yes
[07:49] <ogra> but i havent looked into it yet
[07:49] <Kyral> Yah I just need to deploy it in our lab
[07:50] <Amaranth> oh, you can't do ssh forwarding of an xnest window?
[07:50] <Kyral> so I can set it to one machine and use something like Rsync
[07:50] <elektranox> what's the name of the package, including dh_make?
[07:50] <Amaranth> elektranox: dh-make
[07:50] <ogra> you can, but it wants to assign a new $DISPLAY ...
[07:50] <elektranox> thx
[07:50] <ogra> that doesnt work through oe tunnel
[07:50] <ogra> *one
[07:57] <minghua> good afternoon
[08:01] <Mez> I really shoulda set the damn thing onn holiday mode earlier
[08:02] <Kyral> hehehe
[08:02] <Kyral> okay someone remind me to ping elmo after the CC Meeting
[08:04] <Kyral> aw hell I'll ping him now
[08:04] <Kyral> if he's not busy
[08:21] <elektranox> mh does sb. know a tutorial about the makefile?
[08:21] <herve> hello
[08:24] <Kyral> I <3 PBuilders
[08:29] <Kyral> hmmm, HAL is being removed?
[08:31] <lfittl> hal depends on libdbus-1-1 and dbus, but new dbus conflicts libdbus1-1, therefore it is only a temporary problem ;)
[08:31] <Kyral> yah.....but if HAL goes byebye, isn't my system boned?
[08:31] <lfittl> no, mine works almost fine without hal
[08:32] <Kyral> okay
[08:32] <Kyral> what DOES Hal do anyway?
[08:33] <lfittl> seems to do deliver messages from the hardware to some programs
[08:33] <lfittl> using dbus
[08:33] <herve> hal = hardware abstraction layer
[08:33] <Kyral> I knew what it meant
[08:33] <herve> but I guess you can read the package description ;-)
[08:33] <Treenaks> the volume manager uses it (automounting etc.)
[08:34] <Kyral> I'll hold back on upgrading then until the problem is fixed
[08:34] <lfittl> should be fixed soon, new hal is already uploaded, just needs to be built ;)
[08:35] <herve> Kyral, my policy is to never allow removal of ubuntu-desktop
[08:35] <Kyral> herve: I've done that many times
[08:36] <Kyral> Like I have said before, my system isn't exactly a normal install
[08:37] <lfittl> Kyral: http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/hal ;)
[08:42] <lfittl> The i386 buildd is still not working?
[08:44] <lfittl> who should I talk to to get information about this?
[08:46] <lucas> lfittl: your builds will be re-scheduled
[08:47] <lucas> so you don't have to worry
[08:47] <lfittl> k, thanks
[08:52] <Gloubiboulga> I have a little problem with the name of a package (a lib)
[08:53] <Gloubiboulga> The package should be name libtranslate0, but the source dir has a different name
[08:53] <Gloubiboulga> can I change the name of the source dir ?
[08:53] <lfittl> source dir name is not important as far as I know, what error do you get?
[08:54] <Gloubiboulga> the package is a debian native one
[08:54] <lfittl> what version do you have in debian/changelog ?
[08:55] <Gloubiboulga> libtranslate0
[08:55] <lfittl> no, I mean what
[08:55] <lfittl> version is listed on the top of the changelog entry
[08:56] <Gloubiboulga> libtranslate0 (0.99-0ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low
[08:56] <lfittl> interesting, could you paste the build log somewhere?
[08:57] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[08:57] <Gloubiboulga> I'll just rebuild it before :)
[08:57] <lfittl> k :)
[08:59] <lucas> Gloubiboulga: you understand what "debian native version" means ?
[08:59] <Gloubiboulga> I think so
[09:00] <lfittl> how is your .orig.tar.gz named?
[09:00] <lucas> is it for REVU ?
[09:00] <Gloubiboulga> lucas, yes
[09:00] <lucas> or a merge ?
[09:00] <lucas> ok
[09:00] <Gloubiboulga> libtranslate_0.99.orig.tar.gz
[09:00] <Gloubiboulga> it's been built with dh_make
[09:00] <lfittl> source package name is libtranslate?
[09:00] <Gloubiboulga> yes
[09:00] <lfittl> then your changelog entry is wrong
[09:01] <lfittl> it should be libtranslate (...) ...
[09:01] <Gloubiboulga> then the package will be named the same way ?
[09:02] <lfittl> the binary package will have the name you gave it in the debian/control file, and the source package will be libtranslate
[09:02] <Gloubiboulga> ok :)
[09:02] <Gloubiboulga> I have a lot of things to learn...
[09:03] <Gloubiboulga> thanks for your help lfittl
[09:03] <lfittl> no problem ;)
[09:07] <Gloubiboulga> great, it works perfectly :)
[09:08] <lfittl> perfect :)
[09:38] <ajmitch> lucas: well done, welcome
[09:38] <lucas> :-)
[09:39] <Kyral> congratulations lucas
[09:39] <lucas> thank you
[09:39] <ajmitch> when was the time announced for it?
[09:39] <Kyral> like 5 hours ago
[09:39] <minghua> ahh, meeting
[09:40] <Kyral> lifeless: PING!
[09:41] <ogra> lifeless, ping ?
[09:41] <sabdfl> azeem: ping
[09:41] <ogra> azeem, ping as well ?
[09:41] <ogra> heh, sabdfl beats me ...
[09:42] <ajmitch> ah, a shame that azeem misses out this time (unless he shows up before end of meeting)
[09:47] <Gloubiboulga> first time I see the big boss on irc :)
[09:48] <ajmitch> really?
[09:48] <ajmitch> he's on irc most days, it seems
[09:48] <Gloubiboulga> I'm not on the good chans I think
[09:52] <Kyral> congrats irvin
[09:52] <irvin> thanks Kyral
[09:52] <Kyral> Now you wanted to talk about that updates thing?
[09:52] <irvin> i had to wake up early its 4am here
[09:52] <irvin> sure thing
[09:53] <irvin> packages.ubuntu.com is really great for finding packages
[09:53] <Kyral> how hard would it be to make a cronjob of sorts that tracked updates over an interval, and at the end of that interval gathered all the updates into one download or ISO?
[09:54] <irvin> that would be easy if one computer is always online
[09:54] <Kyral> I'm thinking we just sit it on archive
[09:55] <Kyral> or at least monitor archive
[09:55] <Kyral> all updates to Breezy go into breezy-updates and breezy-security right?
[09:55] <irvin> yes
[09:55] <Kyral> I mean I use Dapper so I don't use them
[09:55] <Kyral> and monitor Backports as well
[09:56] <Kyral> Shall we draft a spec?
[09:56] <irvin> there's a spec somewhere in the wiki
[09:56] <irvin> wait i'll get it
[09:56] <Kyral> ah
[09:57] <Kyral> This could be helpful for my school as well
[09:57] <irvin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonBroadbandUsers
[09:57] <Kyral> we have high-speed, but we have a bandwidth cap on us
[09:57] <irvin> i see
[09:57] <Kyral> Not a problem for Breezy users
[09:57] <ajmitch> Kyral: bandwidth or data cap?
[09:57] <Kyral> but a problem for Dapper users :D
[09:57] <Kyral> ajmitch: bandwidth
[09:57] <Kyral> capped at ~60 kbps
[09:58] <ajmitch> right
[09:58] <Kyral> ouch
[09:58] <sistpoty> hi folks
[09:58] <ajmitch> welcome to NZ ;)
[09:58] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty
[09:59] <irvin> i'm still sleepy. it's 4am here
[09:59] <Gloubiboulga> it's time to sleep for me, good night !
[10:06] <herve> bye
[10:07] <JohnnyMast> ajmitch want to review ttb ?
[10:10] <Tonio_> yop
[10:11] <JohnnyMast> Tonio_ hi !
[10:13] <JohnnyMast> raphink , ping
[10:13] <raphink> hi JohnnyMast
[10:13] <JohnnyMast> well remember commenting on ttb ?
[10:13] <raphink> mhm
[10:13] <JohnnyMast> sorry hi btw :)
[10:14] <JohnnyMast> i fixed that things you noticed
[10:14] <Tonio_> we're watching at the end of free software in france
[10:14] <raphink> I'll brb
[10:14] <Tonio_> direct live.....
[10:14] <Tonio_> ufckin' politicians
[10:22] <xhaker> anyone here can talk about eclipse issues in dapper? more like libswt3.1-gtk-java issue
[10:34] <xhaker> who works with eclipse?
[10:34] <xhaker> raphink, do you know who is "responsible" for the eclipse package?
[10:35] <xhaker> packages!
[10:35] <raphink> hmm no idea
[10:35] <Kyral> Now I have to remember how to add an email address to my key
[10:35] <raphink> Maintainer: Debian Java Maintainers <pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
[10:35] <xhaker> i know..
[10:35] <raphink> Kyral: edit it and create a new id
[10:35] <xhaker> but there is no Changed-by line
[10:36] <xhaker> i doesn't look synched directly is it?
[10:36] <raphink> no idea
[10:36] <Kyral> raphink: adduid?
[10:36] <raphink> hmm yes I think so
[10:36] <raphink> I did it some time ago
[10:37] <xhaker> raphink, where?
[10:37] <raphink> no idea
[10:37] <xhaker> canada?
[10:37] <xhaker> lol
[10:37] <raphink> but this country is a shame
[10:37] <raphink> I used to be proud of it
[10:37] <xhaker> sweden is pretty cool
[10:37] <Kyral> Does anyone use Seahorse for GPG?
[10:37] <raphink> in a few days, we'll be illegal using Linux here
[10:37] <raphink> or so it seems
[10:37] <xhaker> lol
[10:38] <xhaker> can't be exactly that
[10:38] <xhaker> that would be lame
[10:38] <raphink> oh yes it can be
[10:38] <raphink> they're about to vote a law
[10:38] <raphink> that may make open-source software illegal in france
[10:39] <raphink> the law is being discussed right now
[10:39] <raphink> but there are like 10 people present
[10:39] <raphink> becaues it's 10PM, it's christmas and the law has been considered an urgency by the experts
[10:39] <sistpoty> raphink: is it true, that all programs that could distribute copyrighted material w.o. force using drm would then be illegal?
[10:39] <raphink> so there can't be a democratic debate around it
[10:39] <raphink> sistpoty: it seems so
[10:40] <raphink> Ooo would be illegal, VLC, and many more
[10:40] <raphink> that's what it seems
[10:40] <raphink> no wonder I'm ready to be judged for this if I'm caught
[10:40] <sistpoty> raphink: all email-progs/web-browsers/ftp-clients?
[10:40] <raphink> but I won't stop developping and using open source programs
[10:40] <raphink> yes sistpoty
[10:40] <raphink> can't watch DVDs and listen to CDs anymore on Linux
[10:40] <raphink> can't watch streams
[10:40] <raphink> access many websites
[10:41] <seth_k|lappy> That would make Linux itself pretty much illegal
[10:41] <raphink> taht's what it seems
[10:41] <raphink> seth_k|lappy: exactly
[10:41] <raphink> the weird thing though
[10:41] <sistpoty> that would make windows as illegal as linux as well
[10:41] <raphink> is that our army is about to use linux
[10:41] <raphink> that big parts of the government use it
[10:41] <raphink> sistpoty: no, becaues they'd use DRM
[10:41] <raphink> so that only wma would be allowed for music
[10:41] <sistpoty> for outlook? wow
[10:42] <raphink> only wmv for video
[10:42] <raphink> etc.
[10:42] <raphink> let's wait a see, but it seems it's gonna be terrible
[10:43] <sistpoty> yes... my best wishes to come to make the right decision goes to the french government
[10:43] <raphink> oh well
[10:43] <raphink> sometimes you wonder if this is even a democracy
[10:43] <xhaker> lol
[10:43] <raphink> Virgin came to the assembly to introduce their new download services to ministers
[10:44] <raphink> in the middle of the "democratic debate"
[10:44] <raphink> they were invited by the ministers and the president of the congress himself
[10:44] <raphink> :(
[10:44] <sistpoty> :(
[10:44] <lucas> it wasn't "in the middle of".
[10:44] <raphink> well quite
[10:44] <lucas> raphink: do you know of a good summary of DADVSI ?
[10:44] <lucas> in english ?
[10:44] <seth_k|lappy> raphink, who backs this motion? software companies?
[10:44] <raphink> hmmm
[10:44] <raphink> in english ... not sure
[10:45] <raphink> seth_k|lappy: yes
[10:45] <raphink> Universal, Microsoft, Virgin, etc.
[10:45] <raphink> it seems from what I heard that after the previous attemps were rejected
[10:45] <raphink> experts decided that the law had to pass as an urgency
[10:46] <raphink> without a real debate
[10:46] <Kyral> well, now I wait for my new key to spread through the Keyservers
[10:46] <raphink> that would prevent it from being voted
[10:46] <raphink> Kyral: :)
[10:46] <raphink> Kyral: I hope I can do that in a few weeks :)
[10:46] <Kyral> then I reupload EasyChem with kyral@ubuntu.com
[10:46] <raphink> lucas I don't think there is an english summary anywhere
[10:46] <raphink> Kyral: hehe
[10:47] <sistpoty> btw.: does anyone know why fpc (freepascal) isn't in dapper? did we drop it just because it would have needed bootstrapping?
[10:48] <Kyral> Now I think I have to change all my mailing lists lol
[10:49] <sistpoty> Kyral: you mean your email-address?
[10:49] <Kyral> yah
[10:49] <Kyral> I meant change it to the email address
[10:49] <sistpoty> Kyral: you can do the change for all hosted on lists.ubuntu.com basically with two clicks (there is an option to change all)
[10:50] <xhaker> sistpoty, do you want/need freepascal?
[10:50] <sistpoty> I want it :) and I want to package lazarus, at least if it's as good as the screenshots
[10:54] <Kyral> Now do I have to get kyral@ubuntu.com into REVU before I upload again?
[10:54] <sistpoty> Kyral: is it the same key?
[10:54] <Kyral> sistpoty: yah
[10:54] <Kyral> I just tagged a new email onto it
[10:54] <sistpoty> Kyral: then you can continue uploading...
[10:55] <Kyral> slomo_ is gonna kill me
[10:55] <sistpoty> Kyral: if you want, I can change your email (otherwise your old will be displayed)
[10:55] <Kyral> he's gonna have to advocate again
[10:55] <Kyral> sistpoty: I need to change it in the changelog
[10:55] <sistpoty> Kyral: why so?
[10:56] <Kyral> sistpoty: because I'd rather use @ubuntu.com instead of my school email for packaging business
[10:56] <Kyral> I know it redirects there, but its the appearance :D
[10:56] <sistpoty> Kyral: hm... then you'll have to change it ;)
[11:01] <Kyral> and uploaded
[11:03] <Kyral> now can I please get two votes on this thing already? ;P
[11:04] <desrt> this france thing is absolutely comical
[11:04] <desrt> it's worse than the european patent thing... and that was pretty comical
[11:06] <Kyral> lol slomo_ has to vote on EasyChem AGAIN
[11:09] <Kyral> I really wish this thing would just be fully advocated
[11:11] <xhaker> desrt, the european patent thing is somewhat what happens in the US
[11:12] <JohnnyMast> any italian around ?
[11:16] <sivang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips is very good. should be linked top level somwhere
[11:21] <lucas> d
[11:21] <lucas> gnight
[11:37] <lifeless> Kyral: pong
[11:37] <lifeless> ogra: pong
[11:37] <Kyral> lifeless: too late
[11:38] <lifeless> what as it ?
[11:38] <ogra> lifeless, to late and obsolete as well :)
[11:41] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Kamion says you should have uploaded using dpkg-buildpackage -v<LAST_UBUNTU_VERSION> for the merge upload you did for me, and to kick you.
[11:44] <lifeless> Kyral, ogra what was it about ?
[11:45] <ogra> lifeless, azeem applied for membership and i always try to catch the people who worke with an applicant to give a insight how helpful he/she is
[11:45] <lifeless> ok
[11:46] <ogra> but since he had no time to attend anyway, he is postponed to the next CC meeting
[11:46] <ogra> i just thought you could say some nice words about him ;)
[11:46] <lifeless> when is that, I can make sure I'm around
[11:46] <ogra> in two weeks (if there is one)
[11:47] <lifeless> ogra: time ?
[11:47] <lifeless> ogra: or it is always the same time (and what is that)
[11:47] <ogra> no idea yet, but usually its around 20:00 UTC
[11:48] <StevenK> The last CC meeting I attended was 14:00 UTC, which made it 01:00 AEST.
[11:48] <ogra> we wanted to rotate slightly, but that didnt happen for quite some time
[12:01] <sistpoty> bah... 88->105 unassigned merges