| fabbione | Pygi: ping? | 12:04 |
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| Pygi | fabbione:pong | 12:05 |
| Unfun | fabbione, would it be possible to get some information on joining the Ubuntu Server Team? | 12:05 |
| fabbione | Unfun: in a few minutes? | 12:05 |
| Unfun | Sure! | 12:06 |
| fabbione | thanks :) | 12:11 |
| fabbione | Unfun: i should have send out an email to the mailing list (will do tomorrow) or somebody is welcome to just copy paste what i write :) | 12:13 |
| fabbione | and send it to the mailing list | 12:13 |
| fabbione | basically we consider people part of team, all the guys that have a direct interest in the project and want to contribute to it | 12:14 |
| fabbione | contribution can be done in several ways | 12:14 |
| fabbione | including pre-testing of new images and so on | 12:14 |
| fabbione | i don't really put a barrier on what is considered contribution | 12:14 |
| fabbione | the real minimum i want to see to accept membership is at least your wiki page with info on what you plan to do with this project | 12:15 |
| fabbione | that i don't consider an unberable amount of work to do to be part of the team :) | 12:15 |
| fabbione | Unfun: is it a bit more clear now? | 12:15 |
| Unfun | very clear | 12:16 |
| fabbione | Pygi: want to take care to copy/paste and send to the mailing list? or perhaps add it as FAQ somewhere? | 12:16 |
| Unfun | I work with a good amount of servers and i'm interesting in doing testing for the project. | 12:17 |
| fabbione | Unfun: you could do that too :) | 12:17 |
| fabbione | Unfun: that's great :) | 12:17 |
| Unfun | I have around 120 linux servers in production and looking to add maybe 60 more this year | 12:17 |
| fabbione | test is something that's very very very important | 12:17 |
| Pygi | fabbione: hm, just a moment pls | 12:17 |
| fabbione | Pygi: sure | 12:17 |
| Unfun | i want to switch from debian to ubuntu completely | 12:17 |
| Unfun | so far i put 2 boxes on 5.10 in prod | 12:17 |
| fabbione | Unfun: i do have 5 servers running | 12:18 |
| fabbione | on different loads.. | 12:18 |
| Pygi | fabbione: k, I'll send it to the ubuntu-devel. Btw. any signs of getting ubuntu-server thingy? | 12:18 |
| fabbione | Pygi: what about looking at topic? ;) | 12:18 |
| Unfun | I can also contribute bandwidth/mirroring if needed | 12:18 |
| Pygi | fabbione: oh ;) where do I subscribe to that list? ;) | 12:19 |
| fabbione | Unfun: that'd be great too, but we don't need specific server infrastructure. if you can offer a mirror, i suggest you contact our admins directly | 12:19 |
| Unfun | k | 12:20 |
| fabbione | Pygi: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | 12:20 |
| fabbione | something we should make clear is that the -server "edition" | 12:20 |
| fabbione | is just the same plain software that's available to all ubuntu installations | 12:20 |
| fabbione | with the difference that on the ubuntu cd you install a desktop by default | 12:21 |
| fabbione | with the -server CD you have apache2 or whatever server software | 12:21 |
| Pygi | yup, ofcourse | 12:21 |
| fabbione | the rest such as base installer will be the same | 12:21 |
| fabbione | also | 12:21 |
| fabbione | on our Cd we will ship a -server kernel | 12:21 |
| fabbione | that will be the biggest and probably only difference from the standard cd | 12:22 |
| fabbione | s/standard/desktop | 12:22 |
| fabbione | Pygi: we should also add this to a FAQ on the wiki | 12:22 |
| fabbione | and point people there :) | 12:22 |
| Pygi | k, that might be a good idea | 12:22 |
| Unfun | is that wiki public yet? | 12:22 |
| fabbione | Unfun: wiki.ubuntu.com | 12:23 |
| fabbione | it has always been :) | 12:23 |
| fabbione | we hide nothing | 12:23 |
| fabbione | because we don't need too | 12:23 |
| Unfun | oh i thought maybe a server edition had its own | 12:23 |
| fabbione | nah | 12:23 |
| fabbione | no point for it | 12:23 |
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| fabbione | perhaps we want to be sensible and use a subsir | 12:23 |
| fabbione | like wiki.ubuntu.com/server/ | 12:23 |
| fabbione | or whatever wiki likes the best | 12:23 |
| fabbione | but getting yet another wiki is only object of confusion imho | 12:24 |
| Pygi | fabbione: lists.ubuntu.com doesn't list a ubuntu-server list or I am getting blind ;) | 12:24 |
| fabbione | if at a certain point the load will be too much, we can ask to move | 12:24 |
| Unfun | he said ubuntu-dev | 12:24 |
| fabbione | Unfun: no no.. ubuntu-server | 12:24 |
| Unfun | hmm | 12:24 |
| Unfun | didnt see that as an option either | 12:25 |
| fabbione | hmm | 12:25 |
| fabbione | that's true, but it's there | 12:25 |
| fabbione | just use the standard mailman thingy | 12:25 |
| Pygi | ok, a link where I can subscribe? | 12:25 |
| Unfun | i sub'd to ubuntu-devel | 12:25 |
| fabbione | http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server/ | 12:26 |
| Pygi | fabbione:k, I found it | 12:26 |
| Pygi | thanks | 12:26 |
| Unfun | thanks | 12:26 |
| Pygi | once I subscribe, I'll copy paste the things you said | 12:27 |
| fabbione | sure | 12:27 |
| fabbione | perhas do it in 2 mails | 12:27 |
| fabbione | one for the membership | 12:28 |
| fabbione | and one to start up the FAQ after you create a page on the wiki | 12:28 |
| fabbione | so you can copy paste on the wiki and send the link out for people to edit/etc. | 12:28 |
| Pygi | k, when should I open a wiki? | 12:30 |
| fabbione | even now if you want | 12:30 |
| fabbione | i am sort of heading to sleep :) | 12:31 |
| Pygi | heh, me too ;) | 12:31 |
| fabbione | or tomorrow will be fine | 12:31 |
| Pygi | remember, the same time ;) | 12:31 |
| fabbione | right | 12:31 |
| Pygi | 00:31 ;) | 12:31 |
| fabbione | i can't exactly remember TZ for everybody | 12:31 |
| fabbione | and i need to wake up in 5:30 | 12:31 |
| Pygi | k, good night | 12:31 |
| fabbione | night | 12:32 |
| Unfun | https://launchpad.net/people/antirock | 12:34 |
| Pygi | hehe, good, but I would suggest you do a thing like that on wiki | 12:35 |
| Pygi | your personal wiki page | 12:35 |
| fabbione | Unfun: could you please also ask membership to the team? so i will get a nice mail that will remind me to look at it? | 12:35 |
| fabbione | Unfun: you do that directly on the ubuntu-server page | 12:35 |
| fabbione | thanks guys | 12:35 |
| Unfun | that is my personal wiki | 12:35 |
| fabbione | i am off to bed | 12:35 |
| fabbione | Pygi: LP has wiki "inside" | 12:35 |
| === fabbione & | ||
| Pygi | fabbione: ah, yes | 12:36 |
| fabbione | me need sleep lot | 12:36 |
| fabbione | now | 12:36 |
| Pygi | :) | 12:36 |
| Pygi | go sleep lot | 12:36 |
| fabbione | :) | 12:36 |
| Pygi | now :) | 12:36 |
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| Pygi | welcome etcp ;) | 12:40 |
| Pygi | night everyone | 12:46 |
| Unfun | night | 12:46 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:19 |
| troy | indeed | 06:28 |
| troy | but I'm about to sleep - early day tomorrow | 06:28 |
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| Pygi | welcome MarioMeyer | 04:11 |
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| Pygi | welcome Mario and Spike | 04:22 |
| spike | hi there | 04:23 |
| MarioMeyer_ | heya Mario | 04:23 |
| MarioMeyer_ | :P | 04:23 |
| Pygi | Mario: heh, yes, I already complained because you took my name ;) | 04:24 |
| MarioMeyer_ | haha | 04:24 |
| MarioMeyer_ | :) | 04:24 |
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| Pygi | welcome tepsipakki | 04:36 |
| Pygi | MarioMeyer_: still here? | 04:36 |
| MarioMeyer_ | yes | 04:37 |
| Pygi | I forgated to welcome you to the team ;) | 04:37 |
| Pygi | So welcome ;) | 04:37 |
| MarioMeyer_ | thanx | 04:39 |
| Pygi | hehe ;) | 04:40 |
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| Pygi | welcome lbm | 04:54 |
| lbm | Pygi :) | 04:55 |
| === Pygi is a "welcome bot" ;) | ||
| lbm | always nice with a warm welcome :) | 04:59 |
| tepsipakki | true ;) | 04:59 |
| Pygi | hehe | 04:59 |
| beezly | hmm | 05:09 |
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| Pygi | welcome beezly once again ;) | 05:10 |
| beezly | :) hooray | 05:10 |
| beezly | hi Pygi | 05:10 |
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| Pygi | welcome unfun | 06:11 |
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| Pygi | wb unfun | 06:43 |
| Unfun | thank you Pygi | 06:44 |
| Unfun | It is good to be back! | 06:44 |
| Pygi | heh, you got like 5 in's and out's ;) | 06:44 |
| Unfun | lots of rebooting going on here today :) | 06:45 |
| Pygi | ah ;) | 06:45 |
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| Pygi | welcome lamont | 07:07 |
| Pygi | bye all | 07:07 |
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| Pygi | wb Mario | 07:26 |
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| Pygi | welcome spike | 09:09 |
| spike | 'lo Pygi | 09:10 |
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| Pygi | wb unfun | 09:45 |
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| Pygi | welcome nictuku | 11:26 |
| nictuku | thank you | 11:26 |
| nictuku | after dapper, when will another "blessed" server be released? | 11:29 |
| nictuku | every year? | 11:30 |
| Pygi | Don't know for sure, but it should be every 6 months, same as regular ubuntu/edubuntu/kubuntu | 11:30 |
| nictuku | Hmm. that doesn't make sense, I think. Blessed releases will have 5 years support. I believe they won't be shipped so often. | 11:32 |
| Pygi | Maybe, as I said....I am not sure ;) | 11:32 |
| Pygi | fabbione: ping | 11:32 |
| nictuku | :-) | 11:32 |
| Pygi | just a moment nictuku, I am sure fabbione knows | 11:32 |
| nictuku | also, I'd like to help with a certain feature being developed, the network wide update | 11:33 |
| Pygi | you can offer your help to fabbione once he's around ;) | 11:34 |
| nictuku | I'm making a python library for multi-plataform system information data, and maybe it could be useful for that tool. | 11:34 |
| nictuku | ok :) | 11:34 |
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| Pygi | welcome spike | 11:36 |
| nictuku | one of the features planned for the NetworkWideUpdates tool is to "provide a way to easily see the status of the machines". I believe showing general machine information could be useful. | 11:37 |
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| Unfun | Is NetworkWideUpdates released yet? | 11:37 |
| Pygi | welcome mipe | 11:38 |
| infinity | No. It's a spec that mvo and I intend to work on "some day", but it's currently not high priority. | 11:38 |
| Unfun | Sounds like cfenginey | 11:38 |
| infinity | Not really. | 11:38 |
| infinity | It's not meant for config files. | 11:38 |
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| infinity | Just for package management. | 11:38 |
| infinity | Large-scale, though. | 11:39 |
| Pygi | welcome ealden | 11:39 |
| nictuku | infinity, I read there is a a draft code ready. is that so? | 11:39 |
| Unfun | infinity, i ran into library hell with getting Adaptec manager going on 5.10 | 11:39 |
| ealden | hi Pygi | 11:40 |
| infinity | The draft code was for an old spec draft we did, and it's pretty much obsolete by the ideas/design in the newer spec. | 11:40 |
| infinity | Unfun : Ouch. How hellish? | 11:40 |
| infinity | Unfun : Something that couldn't be solved with "ldd /path/to/binary -> find packages containing those libraries"? | 11:41 |
| Unfun | Just wants different version of libstdc++ | 11:41 |
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| infinity | Unfun : We have several in the archive. :) | 11:41 |
| infinity | Unfun : Easy enough. | 11:41 |
| infinity | Probably wanted libstdc++5 | 11:42 |
| Unfun | let me check again | 11:42 |
| Unfun | 1s | 11:42 |
| === infinity wishes people wouldn't write system tools in C++ | ||
| === infinity diverts attention away from the fact that apt is C++ | ||
| Pygi | and you like C better? ;) | 11:44 |
| Unfun | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 | 11:44 |
| Unfun | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 | 11:44 |
| Unfun | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for (libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2) | 11:44 |
| infinity | As a general rule, yes. | 11:44 |
| Pygi | infinity: heh, agreed ;) | 11:44 |
| infinity | Unfun : Woo. Ancient. | 11:44 |
| Pygi | altought some people really like to POINT OUT how C++ is much more superior ;) | 11:45 |
| Unfun | infinity, i know | 11:45 |
| nictuku | infinity, I'd be glad if I could volunteer for making a working version based on those specs (xmlrpc, pull/push, cli interface) | 11:45 |
| infinity | Unfun : libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 | 11:45 |
| Pygi | but they neither know C or C++ ;) | 11:45 |
| Unfun | thats in archives? | 11:45 |
| infinity | Err, not on amd64 it's not. | 11:45 |
| Unfun | Darn | 11:46 |
| infinity | Wait. That was the amd64 binary, or the i386 binary? | 11:46 |
| Unfun | that one was amd64 | 11:46 |
| Unfun | let me try i386 | 11:46 |
| infinity | Dear god. That must have been built on an ancient SuSE system. | 11:47 |
| infinity | How SuSE even got gcc-2.95 to compile (and WHY), I have no idea. | 11:47 |
| spike | can anybody help e with lvm? | 11:50 |
| spike | basically I got this box A where I had somelvmgroup and somelvmvolumes | 11:50 |
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| spike | well, lemme just put it easier: how can I enable and work on lvm from knoppix? | 11:51 |
| spike | if I boot knoppix on this lvm partitioned box, and run lvmdiskscan, it sees the lvm partition (hda5) | 11:51 |
| infinity | nictuku : Meet mvo, the apt maintainer, and the other addle-brained whackjob (other thaqn me) behind that crazy spec. | 11:52 |
| infinity | mvo : nictuku is the guy who just accidentally volunteered to implement our halfassed spec. :) | 11:52 |
| spike | bleh, gtg, later | 11:53 |
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| infinity | nictuku : Also, it's apparently mvo's bedtime, but he's too polite to ever say "no" to anyone, so if we could discuss this sometime tomorrow, that'd be cool. | 11:53 |
| infinity | mvo : Produce recent apt work by mdz and culus, and I'll agree. (people uploading your code changes don't count) | 11:54 |
| Unfun | infinity, same libraries for the i386 version | 11:55 |
| mvo | nictuku: hello! happy to hear that you are interessted in working on this spec! | 11:55 |
| nictuku | infinity, sure :-) | 11:55 |
| nictuku | mvo, great. Any problem if I'd like to code it in python? | 11:56 |
| nictuku | we could discuss the details tomorrow then | 11:56 |
| mvo | nictuku: not at all, python is the prefered language for us | 11:57 |
| mvo | nictuku: what is your timezone? I'm around all day (my TZ is utc+1) | 11:57 |
| mvo | nictuku: talk to me any time your want (I'm around in #ubuntu-desktop, #ubuntu-devel). we should try to get infinity too, but that should be easy because he never sleeps | 11:58 |
| infinity | Unfun : Exactly the same, or slightly different filename? | 11:58 |
| infinity | mvo : Thpt. | 11:58 |
| mvo | infinity: SCR | 11:59 |
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| troy | g'day | 11:59 |
| Pygi | welcome troy ;) | 11:59 |
| Unfun | infinity, libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 | 11:59 |
| Unfun | infinity, thats for i386 | 11:59 |
| Pygi | troy: and it's like .... midnight ;) | 11:59 |
| nictuku | mine is currently utc-2 | 12:00 |
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| Pygi | night mvo | 12:00 |
| nictuku | mvo, night and thank you | 12:00 |
| infinity | Unfun : Neat. That's pretty much an impossibility. Go, Adaptec, go. | 12:00 |
| Unfun | Awesome. | 12:00 |
| mvo | night everyone | 12:01 |
| infinity | Unfun : (there is no libc6.1 on i386...) | 12:01 |
| Unfun | Are LSI cards easier to manage? | 12:01 |
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