[12:04] <fabbione> Pygi: ping?
[12:05] <Pygi> fabbione:pong 
[12:05] <Unfun> fabbione, would it be possible to get some information on joining the Ubuntu Server Team?
[12:05] <fabbione> Unfun: in a few minutes?
[12:06] <Unfun> Sure!
[12:11] <fabbione> thanks :)
[12:13] <fabbione> Unfun: i should have send out an email to the mailing list (will do tomorrow) or somebody is welcome to just copy paste what i write :)
[12:13] <fabbione> and send it to the mailing list
[12:14] <fabbione> basically we consider people part of team, all the guys that have a direct interest in the project and want to contribute to it
[12:14] <fabbione> contribution can be done in several ways
[12:14] <fabbione> including pre-testing of new images and so on
[12:14] <fabbione> i don't really put a barrier on what is considered contribution
[12:15] <fabbione> the real minimum i want to see to accept membership is at least your wiki page with info on what you plan to do with this project
[12:15] <fabbione> that i don't consider an unberable amount of work to do to be part of the team :)
[12:15] <fabbione> Unfun: is it a bit more clear now?
[12:16] <Unfun> very clear
[12:16] <fabbione> Pygi: want to take care to copy/paste and send to the mailing list? or perhaps add it as FAQ somewhere?
[12:17] <Unfun> I work with a good amount of servers and i'm interesting in doing testing for the project.
[12:17] <fabbione> Unfun: you could do that too :)
[12:17] <fabbione> Unfun: that's great :)
[12:17] <Unfun> I have around 120 linux servers in production and looking to add maybe 60 more this year
[12:17] <fabbione> test is something that's very very very important
[12:17] <Pygi> fabbione: hm, just a moment pls
[12:17] <fabbione> Pygi: sure
[12:17] <Unfun> i want to switch from debian to ubuntu completely
[12:17] <Unfun> so far i put 2 boxes on 5.10 in prod
[12:18] <fabbione> Unfun: i do have 5 servers running
[12:18] <fabbione> on different loads..
[12:18] <Pygi> fabbione: k, I'll send it to the ubuntu-devel. Btw. any signs of getting ubuntu-server thingy?
[12:18] <fabbione> Pygi: what about looking at topic? ;)
[12:18] <Unfun> I can also contribute bandwidth/mirroring if needed
[12:19] <Pygi> fabbione: oh ;) where do I subscribe to that list? ;)
[12:19] <fabbione> Unfun: that'd be great too, but we don't need specific server infrastructure. if you can offer a mirror, i suggest you contact our admins directly
[12:20] <Unfun> k
[12:20] <fabbione> Pygi: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[12:20] <fabbione> something we should make clear is that the -server "edition"
[12:20] <fabbione> is just the same plain software that's available to all ubuntu installations
[12:21] <fabbione> with the difference that on the ubuntu cd you install a desktop by default
[12:21] <fabbione> with the -server CD you have apache2 or whatever server software
[12:21] <Pygi> yup, ofcourse
[12:21] <fabbione> the rest such as base installer will be the same
[12:21] <fabbione> also
[12:21] <fabbione> on our Cd we will ship a -server kernel
[12:22] <fabbione> that will be the biggest and probably only difference from the standard cd
[12:22] <fabbione> s/standard/desktop
[12:22] <fabbione> Pygi: we should also add this to a FAQ on the wiki
[12:22] <fabbione> and point people there :)
[12:22] <Pygi> k, that might be a good idea
[12:22] <Unfun> is that wiki public yet?
[12:23] <fabbione> Unfun: wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:23] <fabbione> it has always been :)
[12:23] <fabbione> we hide nothing
[12:23] <fabbione> because we don't need too
[12:23] <Unfun> oh i thought maybe a server edition had its own
[12:23] <fabbione> nah
[12:23] <fabbione> no point for it
[12:23] <fabbione> perhaps we want to be sensible and use a subsir
[12:23] <fabbione> like wiki.ubuntu.com/server/
[12:23] <fabbione> or whatever wiki likes the best
[12:24] <fabbione> but getting yet another wiki is only object of confusion imho
[12:24] <Pygi> fabbione: lists.ubuntu.com doesn't list a ubuntu-server list or I am getting blind ;)
[12:24] <fabbione> if at a certain point the load will be too much, we can ask to move
[12:24] <Unfun> he said ubuntu-dev
[12:24] <fabbione> Unfun: no no.. ubuntu-server
[12:24] <Unfun> hmm
[12:25] <Unfun> didnt see that as an option either
[12:25] <fabbione> hmm
[12:25] <fabbione> that's true, but it's there
[12:25] <fabbione> just use the standard mailman thingy
[12:25] <Pygi> ok, a link where I can subscribe?
[12:25] <Unfun> i sub'd to ubuntu-devel
[12:26] <fabbione> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server/
[12:26] <Pygi> fabbione:k, I found it
[12:26] <Pygi> thanks
[12:26] <Unfun> thanks
[12:27] <Pygi> once I subscribe, I'll copy paste the things you said
[12:27] <fabbione> sure
[12:27] <fabbione> perhas do it in 2 mails
[12:28] <fabbione> one for the membership
[12:28] <fabbione> and one to start up the FAQ after you create a page on the wiki
[12:28] <fabbione> so you can copy paste on the wiki and send the link out for people to edit/etc.
[12:30] <Pygi> k, when should I open a wiki?
[12:30] <fabbione> even now if you want
[12:31] <fabbione> i am sort of heading to sleep :)
[12:31] <Pygi> heh, me too ;)
[12:31] <fabbione> or tomorrow will be fine
[12:31] <Pygi> remember, the same time ;)
[12:31] <fabbione> right
[12:31] <Pygi> 00:31 ;)
[12:31] <fabbione> i can't exactly remember TZ for everybody
[12:31] <fabbione> and i need to wake up in 5:30
[12:31] <Pygi> k, good night
[12:32] <fabbione> night
[12:34] <Unfun> https://launchpad.net/people/antirock
[12:35] <Pygi> hehe, good, but I would suggest you do a thing like that on wiki
[12:35] <Pygi> your personal wiki page
[12:35] <fabbione> Unfun: could you please also ask membership to the team? so i will get a nice mail that will remind me to look at it?
[12:35] <fabbione> Unfun: you do that directly on the ubuntu-server page
[12:35] <fabbione> thanks guys
[12:35] <Unfun> that is my personal wiki
[12:35] <fabbione> i am off to bed
[12:35] <fabbione> Pygi: LP has wiki "inside"
[12:36] <Pygi> fabbione: ah, yes
[12:36] <fabbione> me need sleep lot
[12:36] <fabbione> now
[12:36] <Pygi> :)
[12:36] <Pygi> go sleep lot
[12:36] <fabbione> :)
[12:36] <Pygi> now :)
[12:40] <Pygi> welcome etcp ;)
[12:46] <Pygi> night everyone
[12:46] <Unfun> night
[06:19] <fabbione> morning
[06:28] <troy> indeed
[06:28] <troy> but I'm about to sleep - early day tomorrow
[04:11] <Pygi> welcome MarioMeyer
[04:22] <Pygi> welcome Mario and Spike
[04:23] <spike> hi there
[04:23] <MarioMeyer_> heya Mario
[04:23] <MarioMeyer_> :P
[04:24] <Pygi> Mario: heh, yes, I already complained because you took my name ;)
[04:24] <MarioMeyer_> haha
[04:24] <MarioMeyer_> :)
[04:36] <Pygi> welcome tepsipakki
[04:36] <Pygi> MarioMeyer_: still here?
[04:37] <MarioMeyer_> yes
[04:37] <Pygi> I forgated to welcome you to the team ;)
[04:37] <Pygi> So welcome ;)
[04:39] <MarioMeyer_> thanx
[04:40] <Pygi> hehe ;)
[04:54] <Pygi> welcome lbm
[04:55] <lbm> Pygi :)
[04:59] <lbm> always nice with a warm welcome :)
[04:59] <tepsipakki> true ;)
[04:59] <Pygi> hehe
[05:09] <beezly> hmm
[05:10] <Pygi> welcome beezly once again ;)
[05:10] <beezly> :) hooray
[05:10] <beezly> hi Pygi
[06:11] <Pygi> welcome unfun
[06:43] <Pygi> wb unfun
[06:44] <Unfun> thank you Pygi
[06:44] <Unfun> It is good to be back!
[06:44] <Pygi> heh, you got like 5 in's and out's ;)
[06:45] <Unfun> lots of rebooting going on here today :)
[06:45] <Pygi> ah ;)
[07:07] <Pygi> welcome lamont
[07:07] <Pygi> bye all
[07:26] <Pygi> wb Mario
[09:09] <Pygi> welcome spike
[09:10] <spike> 'lo Pygi
[09:45] <Pygi> wb unfun
[11:26] <Pygi> welcome nictuku
[11:26] <nictuku> thank you
[11:29] <nictuku> after dapper, when will another "blessed" server be released?
[11:30] <nictuku> every year?
[11:30] <Pygi> Don't know for sure, but it should be every 6 months, same as regular ubuntu/edubuntu/kubuntu
[11:32] <nictuku> Hmm. that doesn't make sense, I think. Blessed releases will have 5 years support. I believe they won't be shipped so often.
[11:32] <Pygi> Maybe, as I said....I am not sure ;)
[11:32] <Pygi> fabbione: ping
[11:32] <nictuku> :-)
[11:32] <Pygi> just a moment nictuku, I am sure fabbione knows
[11:33] <nictuku> also, I'd like to help with a certain feature being developed, the network wide update
[11:34] <Pygi> you can offer your help to fabbione once he's around ;)
[11:34] <nictuku> I'm making a python library for multi-plataform system information data, and maybe it could be useful for that tool.
[11:34] <nictuku> ok :)
[11:36] <Pygi> welcome spike
[11:37] <nictuku> one of the features planned for the NetworkWideUpdates tool is to "provide a way to easily see the status of the machines". I believe showing general machine information could be useful.
[11:37] <Unfun> Is NetworkWideUpdates released yet?
[11:38] <Pygi> welcome mipe
[11:38] <infinity> No.  It's a spec that mvo and I intend to work on "some day", but it's currently not high priority.
[11:38] <Unfun> Sounds like cfenginey
[11:38] <infinity> Not really.
[11:38] <infinity> It's not meant for config files.
[11:38] <infinity> Just for package management.
[11:39] <infinity> Large-scale, though.
[11:39] <Pygi> welcome ealden
[11:39] <nictuku> infinity, I read there is a a draft code ready. is that so?
[11:39] <Unfun> infinity, i ran into library hell with getting Adaptec manager going on 5.10
[11:40] <ealden> hi Pygi
[11:40] <infinity> The draft code was for an old spec draft we did, and it's pretty much obsolete by the ideas/design in the newer spec.
[11:40] <infinity> Unfun : Ouch.  How hellish?
[11:41] <infinity> Unfun : Something that couldn't be solved with "ldd /path/to/binary -> find packages containing those libraries"?
[11:41] <Unfun> Just wants different version of libstdc++
[11:41] <infinity> Unfun : We have several in the archive. :)
[11:41] <infinity> Unfun : Easy enough.
[11:42] <infinity> Probably wanted libstdc++5
[11:42] <Unfun> let me check again
[11:42] <Unfun> 1s
[11:44] <Pygi> and you like C better? ;)
[11:44] <Unfun> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
[11:44] <Unfun> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
[11:44] <Unfun> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for  (libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2)
[11:44] <infinity> As a general rule, yes.
[11:44] <Pygi> infinity: heh, agreed ;)
[11:44] <infinity> Unfun : Woo.  Ancient.
[11:45] <Pygi> altought some people really like to POINT OUT how C++ is much more superior ;)
[11:45] <Unfun> infinity, i know
[11:45] <nictuku> infinity, I'd be glad if I could volunteer for making a working version based on those specs (xmlrpc, pull/push, cli interface)
[11:45] <infinity> Unfun : libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[11:45] <Pygi> but they neither know C or C++ ;)
[11:45] <Unfun> thats in archives?
[11:45] <infinity> Err, not on amd64 it's not.
[11:46] <Unfun> Darn
[11:46] <infinity> Wait.  That was the amd64 binary, or the i386 binary?
[11:46] <Unfun> that one was amd64
[11:46] <Unfun> let me try i386
[11:47] <infinity> Dear god.  That must have been built on an ancient SuSE system.
[11:47] <infinity> How SuSE even got gcc-2.95 to compile (and WHY), I have no idea.
[11:50] <spike> can anybody help e with lvm?
[11:50] <spike> basically I got this box A where I had somelvmgroup and somelvmvolumes
[11:51] <spike> well, lemme just put it easier: how can I enable and work on lvm from knoppix?
[11:51] <spike> if I boot knoppix on this lvm partitioned box, and run lvmdiskscan, it sees the lvm partition (hda5)
[11:52] <infinity> nictuku : Meet mvo, the apt maintainer, and the other addle-brained whackjob (other thaqn me) behind that crazy spec.
[11:52] <infinity> mvo : nictuku is the guy who just accidentally volunteered to implement our halfassed spec. :)
[11:53] <spike> bleh, gtg, later
[11:53] <infinity> nictuku : Also, it's apparently mvo's bedtime, but he's too polite to ever say "no" to anyone, so if we could discuss this sometime tomorrow, that'd be cool.
[11:54] <infinity> mvo : Produce recent apt work by mdz and culus, and I'll agree.  (people uploading your code changes don't count)
[11:55] <Unfun> infinity, same libraries for the i386 version
[11:55] <mvo> nictuku: hello! happy to hear that you are interessted in working on this spec!
[11:55] <nictuku> infinity, sure :-)
[11:56] <nictuku> mvo, great. Any problem if I'd like to code it in python?
[11:56] <nictuku> we could discuss the details tomorrow then
[11:57] <mvo> nictuku: not at all, python is the prefered language for us
[11:57] <mvo> nictuku: what is your timezone? I'm around all day (my TZ is utc+1)
[11:58] <mvo> nictuku: talk to me any time your want (I'm around in #ubuntu-desktop, #ubuntu-devel). we should try to get infinity too, but that should be easy because he never sleeps
[11:58] <infinity> Unfun : Exactly the same, or slightly different filename?
[11:58] <infinity> mvo : Thpt.
[11:59] <mvo> infinity: SCR
[11:59] <troy> g'day
[11:59] <Pygi> welcome troy ;)
[11:59] <Unfun> infinity, libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
[11:59] <Unfun> infinity, thats for i386
[11:59] <Pygi> troy: and it's like .... midnight ;)
[12:00] <nictuku> mine is currently utc-2
[12:00] <Pygi> night mvo
[12:00] <nictuku> mvo, night and thank you
[12:00] <infinity> Unfun : Neat.  That's pretty much an impossibility.  Go, Adaptec, go.
[12:00] <Unfun> Awesome.
[12:01] <mvo> night everyone
[12:01] <infinity> Unfun : (there is no libc6.1 on i386...)
[12:01] <Unfun> Are LSI cards easier to manage?