[12:04] Pygi: ping? [12:05] fabbione:pong [12:05] fabbione, would it be possible to get some information on joining the Ubuntu Server Team? [12:05] Unfun: in a few minutes? [12:06] Sure! [12:11] thanks :) [12:13] Unfun: i should have send out an email to the mailing list (will do tomorrow) or somebody is welcome to just copy paste what i write :) [12:13] and send it to the mailing list [12:14] basically we consider people part of team, all the guys that have a direct interest in the project and want to contribute to it [12:14] contribution can be done in several ways [12:14] including pre-testing of new images and so on [12:14] i don't really put a barrier on what is considered contribution [12:15] the real minimum i want to see to accept membership is at least your wiki page with info on what you plan to do with this project [12:15] that i don't consider an unberable amount of work to do to be part of the team :) [12:15] Unfun: is it a bit more clear now? [12:16] very clear [12:16] Pygi: want to take care to copy/paste and send to the mailing list? or perhaps add it as FAQ somewhere? [12:17] I work with a good amount of servers and i'm interesting in doing testing for the project. [12:17] Unfun: you could do that too :) [12:17] Unfun: that's great :) [12:17] I have around 120 linux servers in production and looking to add maybe 60 more this year [12:17] test is something that's very very very important [12:17] fabbione: hm, just a moment pls [12:17] Pygi: sure [12:17] i want to switch from debian to ubuntu completely [12:17] so far i put 2 boxes on 5.10 in prod [12:18] Unfun: i do have 5 servers running [12:18] on different loads.. [12:18] fabbione: k, I'll send it to the ubuntu-devel. Btw. any signs of getting ubuntu-server thingy? [12:18] Pygi: what about looking at topic? ;) [12:18] I can also contribute bandwidth/mirroring if needed [12:19] fabbione: oh ;) where do I subscribe to that list? ;) [12:19] Unfun: that'd be great too, but we don't need specific server infrastructure. if you can offer a mirror, i suggest you contact our admins directly [12:20] k [12:20] Pygi: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ [12:20] something we should make clear is that the -server "edition" [12:20] is just the same plain software that's available to all ubuntu installations [12:21] with the difference that on the ubuntu cd you install a desktop by default [12:21] with the -server CD you have apache2 or whatever server software [12:21] yup, ofcourse [12:21] the rest such as base installer will be the same [12:21] also [12:21] on our Cd we will ship a -server kernel [12:22] that will be the biggest and probably only difference from the standard cd [12:22] s/standard/desktop [12:22] Pygi: we should also add this to a FAQ on the wiki [12:22] and point people there :) [12:22] k, that might be a good idea [12:22] is that wiki public yet? [12:23] Unfun: wiki.ubuntu.com [12:23] it has always been :) [12:23] we hide nothing [12:23] because we don't need too [12:23] oh i thought maybe a server edition had its own [12:23] nah [12:23] no point for it === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:23] perhaps we want to be sensible and use a subsir [12:23] like wiki.ubuntu.com/server/ [12:23] or whatever wiki likes the best [12:24] but getting yet another wiki is only object of confusion imho [12:24] fabbione: lists.ubuntu.com doesn't list a ubuntu-server list or I am getting blind ;) [12:24] if at a certain point the load will be too much, we can ask to move [12:24] he said ubuntu-dev [12:24] Unfun: no no.. ubuntu-server [12:24] hmm [12:25] didnt see that as an option either [12:25] hmm [12:25] that's true, but it's there [12:25] just use the standard mailman thingy [12:25] ok, a link where I can subscribe? [12:25] i sub'd to ubuntu-devel [12:26] http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server/ [12:26] fabbione:k, I found it [12:26] thanks [12:26] thanks [12:27] once I subscribe, I'll copy paste the things you said [12:27] sure [12:27] perhas do it in 2 mails [12:28] one for the membership [12:28] and one to start up the FAQ after you create a page on the wiki [12:28] so you can copy paste on the wiki and send the link out for people to edit/etc. [12:30] k, when should I open a wiki? [12:30] even now if you want [12:31] i am sort of heading to sleep :) [12:31] heh, me too ;) [12:31] or tomorrow will be fine [12:31] remember, the same time ;) [12:31] right [12:31] 00:31 ;) [12:31] i can't exactly remember TZ for everybody [12:31] and i need to wake up in 5:30 [12:31] k, good night [12:32] night [12:34] https://launchpad.net/people/antirock [12:35] hehe, good, but I would suggest you do a thing like that on wiki [12:35] your personal wiki page [12:35] Unfun: could you please also ask membership to the team? so i will get a nice mail that will remind me to look at it? [12:35] Unfun: you do that directly on the ubuntu-server page [12:35] thanks guys [12:35] that is my personal wiki [12:35] i am off to bed [12:35] Pygi: LP has wiki "inside" === fabbione & [12:36] fabbione: ah, yes [12:36] me need sleep lot [12:36] now [12:36] :) [12:36] go sleep lot [12:36] :) [12:36] now :) === etcp [i=foobar@home.etcp.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:40] welcome etcp ;) [12:46] night everyone [12:46] night === mipe [n=mipe@107-60-124-83.dsl.3u.net] has left #ubuntu-server ["Leaving"] === troy [n=troy@wnpgmb01dc2-26-104.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === boldstrike [n=boldstri@boldstrike.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === boldstrike [n=boldstri@boldstrike.com] has left #ubuntu-server ["Leaving"] [06:19] morning [06:28] indeed [06:28] but I'm about to sleep - early day tomorrow === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-server === linuxbabe [n=samiam@adsl-69-234-177-12.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.93.184] has joined #ubuntu-server === beezly [n=beezly@2001:630:63:16:230:1bff:feb7:2528] has joined #ubuntu-server === g0nz0m0f1 [n=gonzo@adsl-67-113-25-210.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === g0nz0m0f1 [n=gonzo@adsl-67-113-25-210.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-server [] === MarioMeyer [n=meyer@ubuntu/member/mariomeyer] has joined #ubuntu-server === MarioMeyer [n=meyer@ubuntu/member/mariomeyer] has joined #ubuntu-server === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-103-116.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-251-237.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === MarioMeyer [n=meyer@ubuntu/member/mariomeyer] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:11] welcome MarioMeyer === spike [n=spike@unaffiliated/spike] has joined #ubuntu-server === MarioMeyer_ [n=meyer@ubuntu/member/mariomeyer] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:22] welcome Mario and Spike [04:23] hi there [04:23] heya Mario [04:23] :P [04:24] Mario: heh, yes, I already complained because you took my name ;) [04:24] haha [04:24] :) === tepsipakki [n=tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:36] welcome tepsipakki [04:36] MarioMeyer_: still here? [04:37] yes [04:37] I forgated to welcome you to the team ;) [04:37] So welcome ;) [04:39] thanx [04:40] hehe ;) === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:54] welcome lbm [04:55] Pygi :) === Pygi is a "welcome bot" ;) [04:59] always nice with a warm welcome :) [04:59] true ;) [04:59] hehe [05:09] hmm === beezly [n=beezly@2001:630:63:16:230:1bff:feb7:2528] has left #ubuntu-server [] === beezly [n=beezly@2001:630:63:16:230:1bff:feb7:2528] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:10] welcome beezly once again ;) [05:10] :) hooray [05:10] hi Pygi === Unfun [n=Unfun@adsl-209-233-46-141.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:11] welcome unfun === Unfun [n=Unfun@adsl-209-233-46-141.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === Unfun [n=Unfun@adsl-209-233-46-141.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:43] wb unfun [06:44] thank you Pygi [06:44] It is good to be back! [06:44] heh, you got like 5 in's and out's ;) [06:45] lots of rebooting going on here today :) [06:45] ah ;) === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [07:07] welcome lamont [07:07] bye all === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-251-237.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === MarioMeyer [n=meyer@ubuntu/member/mariomeyer] has joined #ubuntu-server [07:26] wb Mario === spike [n=spike@unaffiliated/spike] has joined #ubuntu-server [09:09] welcome spike [09:10] 'lo Pygi === Unfun [n=Unfun@adsl-209-233-46-141.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [09:45] wb unfun === nictuku [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:26] welcome nictuku [11:26] thank you [11:29] after dapper, when will another "blessed" server be released? [11:30] every year? [11:30] Don't know for sure, but it should be every 6 months, same as regular ubuntu/edubuntu/kubuntu [11:32] Hmm. that doesn't make sense, I think. Blessed releases will have 5 years support. I believe they won't be shipped so often. [11:32] Maybe, as I said....I am not sure ;) [11:32] fabbione: ping [11:32] :-) [11:32] just a moment nictuku, I am sure fabbione knows [11:33] also, I'd like to help with a certain feature being developed, the network wide update [11:34] you can offer your help to fabbione once he's around ;) [11:34] I'm making a python library for multi-plataform system information data, and maybe it could be useful for that tool. [11:34] ok :) === spike [n=spike@unaffiliated/spike] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:36] welcome spike [11:37] one of the features planned for the NetworkWideUpdates tool is to "provide a way to easily see the status of the machines". I believe showing general machine information could be useful. === mipe [n=mipe@gate-so-1.actebis.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:37] Is NetworkWideUpdates released yet? [11:38] welcome mipe [11:38] No. It's a spec that mvo and I intend to work on "some day", but it's currently not high priority. [11:38] Sounds like cfenginey [11:38] Not really. [11:38] It's not meant for config files. === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-167-116.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:38] Just for package management. [11:39] Large-scale, though. [11:39] welcome ealden [11:39] infinity, I read there is a a draft code ready. is that so? [11:39] infinity, i ran into library hell with getting Adaptec manager going on 5.10 [11:40] hi Pygi [11:40] The draft code was for an old spec draft we did, and it's pretty much obsolete by the ideas/design in the newer spec. [11:40] Unfun : Ouch. How hellish? [11:41] Unfun : Something that couldn't be solved with "ldd /path/to/binary -> find packages containing those libraries"? [11:41] Just wants different version of libstdc++ === mipe [n=mipe@gate-so-1.actebis.com] has left #ubuntu-server [] [11:41] Unfun : We have several in the archive. :) [11:41] Unfun : Easy enough. [11:42] Probably wanted libstdc++5 [11:42] let me check again [11:42] 1s === infinity wishes people wouldn't write system tools in C++ === infinity diverts attention away from the fact that apt is C++ [11:44] and you like C better? ;) [11:44] dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 [11:44] dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 [11:44] dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for (libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2) [11:44] As a general rule, yes. [11:44] infinity: heh, agreed ;) [11:44] Unfun : Woo. Ancient. [11:45] altought some people really like to POINT OUT how C++ is much more superior ;) [11:45] infinity, i know [11:45] infinity, I'd be glad if I could volunteer for making a working version based on those specs (xmlrpc, pull/push, cli interface) [11:45] Unfun : libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 [11:45] but they neither know C or C++ ;) [11:45] thats in archives? [11:45] Err, not on amd64 it's not. [11:46] Darn [11:46] Wait. That was the amd64 binary, or the i386 binary? [11:46] that one was amd64 [11:46] let me try i386 [11:47] Dear god. That must have been built on an ancient SuSE system. [11:47] How SuSE even got gcc-2.95 to compile (and WHY), I have no idea. [11:50] can anybody help e with lvm? [11:50] basically I got this box A where I had somelvmgroup and somelvmvolumes === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:51] well, lemme just put it easier: how can I enable and work on lvm from knoppix? [11:51] if I boot knoppix on this lvm partitioned box, and run lvmdiskscan, it sees the lvm partition (hda5) [11:52] nictuku : Meet mvo, the apt maintainer, and the other addle-brained whackjob (other thaqn me) behind that crazy spec. [11:52] mvo : nictuku is the guy who just accidentally volunteered to implement our halfassed spec. :) [11:53] bleh, gtg, later === mvo mubbles about apt-co-maintainer [11:53] nictuku : Also, it's apparently mvo's bedtime, but he's too polite to ever say "no" to anyone, so if we could discuss this sometime tomorrow, that'd be cool. [11:54] mvo : Produce recent apt work by mdz and culus, and I'll agree. (people uploading your code changes don't count) [11:55] infinity, same libraries for the i386 version [11:55] nictuku: hello! happy to hear that you are interessted in working on this spec! [11:55] infinity, sure :-) [11:56] mvo, great. Any problem if I'd like to code it in python? [11:56] we could discuss the details tomorrow then [11:57] nictuku: not at all, python is the prefered language for us [11:57] nictuku: what is your timezone? I'm around all day (my TZ is utc+1) [11:58] nictuku: talk to me any time your want (I'm around in #ubuntu-desktop, #ubuntu-devel). we should try to get infinity too, but that should be easy because he never sleeps [11:58] Unfun : Exactly the same, or slightly different filename? [11:58] mvo : Thpt. [11:59] infinity: SCR === troy [n=troy@wnpgmb01dc2-26-104.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:59] g'day [11:59] welcome troy ;) [11:59] infinity, libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 [11:59] infinity, thats for i386 [11:59] troy: and it's like .... midnight ;) [12:00] mine is currently utc-2 === mvo goes to bed now [12:00] night mvo [12:00] mvo, night and thank you [12:00] Unfun : Neat. That's pretty much an impossibility. Go, Adaptec, go. [12:00] Awesome. [12:01] night everyone [12:01] Unfun : (there is no libc6.1 on i386...) [12:01] Are LSI cards easier to manage?