=== Hemet_Ka [n=12182220@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Hemet_Ka is now known as Lord_Athur === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-93-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:12] arkan0x, [12:12] [12:32] Lord_Athur, hi [12:33] arkan0x, [12:33] did you recive my email? [12:33] parece ke no [12:33] Lord_Athur, edubuntu-es [12:33] canal [12:34] === pitux [n=pitux@177-176-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.148.4] has joined #edubuntu === vlekk [n=vlekk@69-10-198-14.localaccess.com] has joined #edubuntu [01:13] So what are we looking at for edubuntu vs. ubuntu? [01:14] Mostyl LSTP? [01:14] LTSP even === Lord_Athur [n=12182220@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=12182220@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:19] I'd like to start my system with other ip and mask, where can I find information using internet? [01:21] vlekk, then we'd call it Lubuntu ;) [01:21] You want to change the private network you are on? [01:21] Lord_Athur, use the network control panel from your system menu [01:22] vlekk, its a bit more than LTSP, even if development for the surrent version is fcoused on it ... [01:22] *current [01:23] Lord_Athur, (or if you like to poke around in config files pick /etc/network/interfaces) [01:23] I'm guessing a 'server' install off of a regular ubuntu cd then 'apt-get install edubuntuj [01:23] damn kids [01:24] keep mashing down on my keyboard [01:24] vlekk, there is kdeedu, gcompris, the tux4kids apps, different artwork a schooltool calendar server, preparation for moodle ... [01:24] issuing 'apt-get install edubuntu-desktop will give me the same [01:24] adn LTSP [01:24] *and [01:24] nope [01:25] the installer is modidfied to set up the ltsp environemnt for you ... [01:25] edubuntu-desktop gives you the edubuntu standfalone workstation install [01:25] ....wondering if there is a network install... [01:25] no cd burner [01:25] will the shipping part of the ubuntu project allow us to order edubuntu CDs instead of ubuntu CDs? [01:25] there is a ubuntu network instal [01:26] Lord_Athur, it was said that we'll have some thousand CDs for educational projects to ship with dapper ... [01:26] really? [01:26] can we make an order now? [01:26] but they have to provide exact info where the CDs are used and what for ... [01:27] nope [01:27] ok [01:27] then how can I give them information about me [01:27] and my school? [01:27] send a mail to JaneW [01:28] i'm not sure how she plans to do it this time ... [01:28] mm [01:28] ok [01:28] we tried with a wikipage for the last release, but since there was nobody providing info, the CDs were cancelled [01:28] a????? [01:28] info about what=? [01:29] mark wants to see that there is enough interest, before he donates money for that [01:29] what kind of project, why do they want CDs, what will they be used for in which part of the world etc ... [01:29] but [01:29] I had a wikipage [01:30] but nobody send me an email [01:30] about my intentions [01:30] with edubuntu [01:30] and finally I deleted the page [01:30] :S [01:30] looks like my only option is to wait until i can get a cd burned....don't see a network install image [01:30] Lord_Athur, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuShippingPlans [01:31] ok ogra [01:31] there are is only mhz ... [01:31] vlekk, you can use the ubuntu netinstall image ... [01:32] and install edubuntu-server and edubuntu-desktop on top ... [01:32] then, do I put my name and the number of cds that I want? [01:32] oic....so after installing issue 'apt-get install edubuntu-server' and 'apt-get install edubuntu-desktop' [01:33] then follow the ThinClientHowto from wiki.edubuntu.org (as opposed to EdubuntuInstallNotes for a burned CD) [01:33] Lord_Athur, nope [01:33] [01:33] then [01:33] that was for the last release and discarded, as i said [01:33] tell me what I must do [01:33] :D [01:33] i told you above [01:33] oki [01:33] jajjaa [01:33] mail JaneW [01:33] ok [01:33] what's that? [01:34] Lord_Athur: email me your address to vlekk@yahoo.com and I can send you a regular ubuntu install cd...i have a few [01:34] Lord_Athur, janew@hbd.com [01:35] she will collect requests, if we get enough, there will be pressed CDs this release [01:35] mark wont just donate money for CDs we'll never ship ... so he needs some proof that there is enough interest [01:35] will the CDs be free of charge (for shipping)? [01:35] yup [01:36] yup? [01:36] what's that? [01:36] if mark/canonical pays for them ... [01:36] yup==yes [01:36] ok [01:36] vlekk, and you game different address [01:36] what's the correct? [01:37] vlekk, [01:37] ummmm [01:37] where do you live? [01:37] please rephrase that [01:37] earth [01:37] lol [01:38] [01:38] country [01:38] city [01:38] sad, i was hopng moon or mars :) [01:38] [01:38] jajaja [01:38] west coast of north america [01:38] i don't care where i have to mail it....it would only cost me a few dollars at most [01:38] maybe we haven't got the best comunication because I don't understand ever the things that you are writing to me :S [01:39] vlekk, [01:39] What? [01:40] jajaja [01:40] I don't know what 'jajaja' means. [01:41] I've got ubuntu instalation CDs [01:41] mmm [01:41] P3L|C4N0, [01:41] Then you can install edubuntu also. [01:41] como se dice "risa" en ingls? [01:41] ok [01:41] vlekk, Lord_Athur means your spanish isnt good enough for him to understand ... he is from chile :) [01:42] :D [01:42] mm [01:42] and I've got a ba English [01:42] :S [01:43] Lord_Athur, laughter [01:43] Hablo muy muy poco Espanol. [01:43] Lord_Athur, thats what i wanted to say with it in my weird german humor ;) [01:43] Sorry....Espaol [01:44] I'm working for a BS in Linguistics. === ogra thinks he should look for very good dictionary software for the next edubuntu release :) [01:44] ok [01:44] :D [01:44] .p [01:45] http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr [01:45] 8-) [01:45] ogra, [01:45] heh [01:46] do I send you a copy of the mail for janew@hbd.com? [01:46] if you like ... [01:46] I'll return in an hour or two after I get edubuntu on this old box.... [01:46] ok vlekk [01:46] i'll be asleep than ... [01:46] then ogra [01:46] *then [01:47] ogra, give me your mail address [01:47] if you want [01:47] :D [01:47] ogra@ubuntu.com [01:47] ogra, can I get a free email of ubuntu? [01:47] :D [01:47] sure [01:47] I'd be so happy [01:47] how? [01:48] you need to become a member [01:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto [01:50] where do you do the meetings? [01:51] ogra, I sent you the mail [01:51] with copy to the woman [01:51] :D [01:52] Do I have to be a member to get the mail [01:52] ? [01:52] :S [01:52] jejeje [01:53] yup [01:54] all approved members get such n address [01:54] s/n/an/ [01:54] a? [01:54] s / n/ an??? [01:55] thats a programmer command for substituting "n" with "an" [01:56] it refers to the sentence before where the "a" of "an" was missing [01:57] ok [01:57] I've to go [01:57] bye [01:57] ogra, [01:57] I sent the mail [01:57] yup [01:57] see you around ... [01:57] remember to write me if you know something [01:58] :D [01:58] please [01:58] sure === MrMazda [n=fmcz@B2a-CommercialWay-Brooksville-28.ij.net] has joined #edubuntu === dsaa [i=dsa@210.213.87.102] has joined #edubuntu === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.34] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.133.242] has joined #edubuntu === dsa [i=dsa@210.5.89.156] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-93-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === ivanivan [n=ivanivan@194.84.5.222] has joined #edubuntu === writer [n=ivan@194.84.5.222] has joined #edubuntu === writer [n=ivan@194.84.5.222] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.211.172.214] has joined #edubuntu === lguerra [n=lguerra@201.244.4.220] has joined #edubuntu === lguerra [n=lguerra@201.244.4.220] has left #edubuntu [] === lguerra [n=lguerra@201.244.4.220] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.148.4] has joined #edubuntu === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-9-151-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === writer [n=ivan@194.84.5.222] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [08:11] ogra: ping [08:11] ogra: Edubuntu has been entered for the Stockholm challenge, please take a look at http://www.stockholmchallenge.se/projectdata.asp?id=1&projectid=1044, and let me know if anything needs to be changed [08:12] ogra: also note that it asked for MY location so now the project is listed as from Cape Town, SA - should I change that to London or what? [08:13] JaneW: the Summary, it may be useful to include a short phrase regarding what a "terminal server" is. [08:14] hum, that was supposed to read "In the Summary" [08:15] on second thought, perhaps the Summary just needs to be streamlined to place that reference closer to the "LTSP thin client architecture" [08:16] crimsun: ok I am open to suggestions, it was a LONG entry form so I am sure my effort can be improved on ;) [08:17] I'm trying to gauge the target audience (well, at least the judges?) [08:19] I think off the bat in the top description it's worthwhile emphasising that it's a "complete single-disc education-focused..." [08:19] That way it's reinforced in the Summary. [08:21] right [08:24] crimsun: it's there already "Edubuntu includes more than 16,000 pieces of software, but the core installation fits on a single CD." [08:24] JaneW: right. I was referring to the idea that the top description would be more forceful if it emphasised the single-cd bit [08:30] crimsun: do you think that really matters in the first sentence? [08:31] JaneW: to be honest, no, it's not absolutely critical, but it's certainly one of Edubuntu's strongest selling points, a single-disc solution === writer [n=ivan@194.84.5.222] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW will be away for a bit [08:57] crimsun: it is not only a a single-disc solution, it has also an included Opensource(free) Operating system, === aya [n=yann@cav13-3-82-234-224-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === aya [n=yann@cav13-3-82-234-224-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.156.104] has joined #edubuntu === aya [n=yann@cav13-3-82-234-224-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [10:18] ogra: what's the topic for edubuntu meeting? [10:21] lucasvo: how to turn your edubuntu setup into a dvd ripping cluster ;) [10:22] Yagisan: yeah, good idea :D [10:23] Yagisan: are you using it? [10:25] lucasvo: building it right now [10:25] lucasvo: I have the LTSP server, and the firewall running, now I'm adding the clients :) [10:50] JaneW, looks fine to me [10:50] ogra: :) [10:51] lucasvo, we have a fixed agenda .... its always the same [12:10] ogra: ah ok [12:12] ogra: If I add a nfs entry to /etc/fstab in the ltsp chroot, should the client automatically mount it on boot ? [12:13] Yagisan: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab is the correct file [12:13] Yagisan: theoretically yes [12:13] I think [12:13] if you dont put noauto in it, that should work .... [12:15] ok. this is odd, reading /etc.fstab from the client, shows a different /etc/fstab then the one in the chroot on the server [12:16] ah... yes, wait a sec [12:17] have a look at configure_fstab() /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup [12:19] add it there (and provide a clean patch to put "$EXTRADIRS" in there ;) so i can add it ) [12:19] brb - baby calling [12:32] ogra: I suppose I should provide a patch against dappers ltsp package for you [12:32] yup [12:33] any issues in backporting dappers ltsp package to breezy ? === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu [12:33] yes ... [12:34] the current one might be fine, but the next upload will have some changes that need dhcpd 3.0.3 [12:34] so if you want to manually bakport, use the current one ... === aya [n=yann@cav13-3-82-234-224-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:35] ogra: so, other then dhcp, no other issues ? if so, it's an easy backport, and as an added bonus, I can test the patch before sending it :) [12:36] yup, it will also be an easy backport in the future as long as you do it manually ... but we cant put it in breezy-backports [12:36] since i'll add a versioned dependency on dhcpd 3.0.3 [12:37] (which is easy to work around locally, but a bad thing in -backports) [12:37] ogra: no worries ogra, that's why I have "deb http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse" in all my sources :) [12:37] oki [12:38] for all my backports, and "ubuntu-can't-ship-it" packages [12:38] just be careful to not break others that might use your repo ;) [12:39] ogra: yeah, I've had a few breakages in the past. /me recalls a few packages getting to a -6 version in under an hour from a -1 [12:46] ogra: ltsp-client-setup can only see what is in the ltsp chroot right ? so no pointing it to the servers /etc for config files === Yagisan reads code - we have network swap now ? === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.220.157] has joined #edubuntu [12:49] **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-devel in 10 mins [12:50] JaneW, where can i find the meeting agenda? [12:50] http://www.aunali.plus.com/html/xmas_sound_anim.htm [12:50] oops not not there ;) [12:50] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords [12:50] thanks [12:51] is it on #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-meeting? [12:52] gees, I think I am on drugs... [12:52] lemme try again [12:52] **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 8 mins [12:52] sorry all [12:52] JaneW: Can I get some of those drugs ;) [12:52] (I NEED my holiday!) [12:53] Yagisan: if you wanna be brain death and all useless sure ;) [12:53] JaneW: no for that I had two small kids, lack of sleep does that [12:54] Yagisan: indeed! [12:54] JaneW: I'd like something that makes me feel happy waking up every 45 minutes to change nappies and feed the kids [12:55] Yagisan: *cough*sex*cough* ? [12:56] JaneW: sex is but a distant memory to me now [12:56] heh === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:58] JaneW: I can't even mention that word to my wife now. The baby was huge and tore her up quite bad. 4 weeks and still not healed :( === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D7E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ is now known as ogra [01:02] Yagisan: ouch === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW had huge babies too, I sympathise [01:03] JaneW: that is an understatement. She has trouble sitting down, can't run either. [01:03] *flinch* [01:04] JaneW: I describe it as a tiny little Japanese lady, giving birth to a 3.5kg football. It wasn't going to fit. [01:05] poor lady [01:05] mine were 4.5kgs, but I am not little ;) [01:05] and I have WIIIDE hips ;) [01:10] JaneW, not really ... === lucasvo [n=lucasvo@www.wservices.ch] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.156.104] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@237-179-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=12182220@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:50] ogra, [01:53] ogra, [01:53] Lord_Athur: meeting [01:53] mm [01:53] ok [01:54] I have not seen mhz here, has he been on line today? [01:55] Yagisan, did mhz change his nickname? [01:58] Lord_Athur: nope, he must be having a day off [01:58] Yagisan: gasp, slacker! ;P [01:59] yep. how dare he sleep! ;) === flint [n=flint@69-164-122-221.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:09] hello [02:09] oh in other news [02:09] hi [02:09] I forgot to mention it IN the meeting [02:09] that mhz is a slacker ? [02:09] ("Ahh, this must be the Old Same Place..." or "How can you be in two places at once, when you're not anywhere at all?" -- Firesign Theater) [02:09] I have entered Edubuntu into the Educational category of the The Stockholm Challenge Award 2006 [02:10] ogra: lol, no we'll let him of, but just this once ;) [02:10] yeah, and located it to SA :) [02:10] http://www.stockholmchallenge.se/projectdata.asp?id=1&projectid=1044 [02:10] ogra: what should it be? [02:10] so if we get a price, i can see SA :) [02:10] SA? [02:11] please any suggestions to change/improve the entry are welcomed [02:11] JaneW, oh, its absolutely fine [02:11] just lets win and mark will pay a flight for me :) [02:11] ogra: I didn;t realise it was going to be listed like that but I am more than happy to change it, it;s very easy to do [02:11] no, leave it :) [02:11] its fine :) [02:12] I am thinking it should be UK, since that's where canonical 'is' [02:13] then it should be "isle of man", since thats canonicals address [02:13] Why ? the developers are from all over the world [02:13] just stick in EARTH [02:13] yeah [02:14] hm, kjcole I can't find the "Join" link on the launchpad page [02:14] lucasvo, hold on a second. It's there, but I forget where. (You're on the "Cookbook Cooks" page?) [02:15] https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu.cookbook/ [02:16] kjcole: ah, I found it [02:16] kjcole: joined === Yagisan is very unhappy with this "Message: udeb owner () do not match ltsp_0.61~udubackport1_amd64.changes owner (1000)." [02:19] why is it that ltsp has to be the one package that isn't liked [02:19] by debarchiver [02:21] Gots to RUN once again and pretend to work for my office. [02:21] Ta-ta all [02:22] kjcole: bye === Lord_Athur [n=System@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:42] hi === vmarks [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:44] Lord_Athur: Hi, mhz is still slacking ;) [02:45] a=? [02:46] I did not understand it [02:46] :S [02:47] Lord_Athur: mhz has not logged in since you were here last [02:48] ok [02:48] thanks [02:48] Lord_Athur: It was my poor attempt at humor [02:48] :D [02:48] jajjaa [02:49] Yagisan, I'm Spanish and I cannot understand the Engish humot fine [02:49] :P [02:50] Lord_Athur: that's ok - my wife is Japanese and she has trouble understanding my humor too [02:50] jajaja [02:50] Lord_Athur: actually, so do many English speaking people ... === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.211.172.214] has joined #edubuntu [03:04] :D === Lord_Athur [n=System@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.87.19] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur is now known as nada_de_nada [03:20] ogra: Could you explain to me why video ram should be limited in the ltsp clients ? [03:20] ogra: I don't understand why it needs to be capped === Lord_Athur [n=System@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:21] Yagisan, see my answer at the bottom opf the spec === nada_de_nada [n=System@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:22] ogra: I know that the video memory gets slotted in the address space, but I can't see how it uses much kernel memory === nada_de_nada is now known as Lord_Athur [03:22] nope [03:23] ogra, [03:23] the kernel already uses the memory, X cant allocate memory and fails to start [03:25] ogra, the resquest woman sent me an answer, but my e-mal had any problems and I could not read the mail [03:25] :S [03:25] ogra: how so ? I'm looking at the /proc/meminfo on a 64MB client with a 64MB video card [03:26] Yagisan, we tested with a 128MB card and main mem set to 48MB (which boots fine with a 32MB card) ... [03:27] we had different results, like kernel oopsing because out of memory or X not starting but the system booted === lucasvo__ [n=lucasvo@www.wservices.ch] has joined #edubuntu [03:28] Lord_Athur, i think she is on christmas holiday since 1h ... you'll have to wait till next year [03:28] :D === lucasvo__ is now known as lucasvo [03:29] Lord_Athur: she turned off her laptop! [03:29] with a little luck she might drop by here before she leaves completely ...) [03:29] ;-) [03:29] ok lucasvo [03:30] who is working on the cookbook amt? [03:30] *atm [03:32] ogra: that is odd. I'd have expected a small increase in the PageTables size to accommodate the extra video ram space, but not your results [03:32] lucasvo@lama:~/ubuntu/Lucas_CookBook/lore$ make [03:32] lore --config template=./resources/template.tpl *.lore [03:32] /usr/bin/lore: ./resources/template.tpl: No such file or directory [03:32] getProcessor() failed === writer [n=ivan@194.84.5.222] has joined #edubuntu === SWAT_work [n=SWAT@boz-c-0766.mxs.adsl.euronet.nl] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=System@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:40] ogra: ltsp patches bugzilla or malone ? [03:41] bugzilla [03:41] I forgot it, but what program can I uso for graphical design (for cards, letters)? [03:41] is launchpad opensource software? [03:41] feel free to assign it to me [03:41] lucasvo, nope [03:41] Lord_Athur: scribus, inkscape? [03:41] Lord_Athur, inkscape [03:41] ogra: why not? [03:41] and glables to put it on cards [03:42] lucasvo, because canonical lives from it ... it will be GPLed once [03:42] ogra: ok. better test it first then [03:42] like bitkeeper [03:42] ogra: canonical sells it? [03:42] lucasvo, services on it [03:42] ogra: what services? [03:42] lucasvo: support for one thing === Yagisan spoke to sabdfl about that at UDU [03:43] there will be the possibility to click together your ownb derivative CD for example ... we'll charge for the CPU power that costs [03:45] ogra: seen this error before "sudo: unable to lookup ltsp via gethostbyname()" [03:45] are you root ? [03:45] no [03:46] sure ? [03:46] thats normal if you run sudo as root for example [03:46] dunno where else it occurs [03:46] dont forget that chroot makes you root ... [03:46] oh yes, quite sure. I added another non-privileged user to the ltsp chroots [03:47] something to run as the dvd rip and encode user [03:48] I logged out, then back in again as root [03:48] I wanted to reboot the thin clients *without* walking across the room to do it === Yagisan loves having ssh access to *every* single thin client :) [03:50] is ldm running as root? [03:50] lucasvo: no idea. I'll check when the clients restart [03:52] lucasvo, yes [03:53] Well, of course that depends on who you are and what you need it for. If you're interested in Edubuntu then you probably don't have lots and lots of money, and you're probably interested in learning: learning about computers, yes, but also education in general. When answering this question for yourself, here are two things to keep in mind: [03:54] woooo hooooo!! [03:54] worked first time :) [03:54] this is crap, it should be removed from cookbook, edubuntu is not *only* for people without money! [03:54] yup [03:54] fully agreed [03:55] but it should be pointed ot that it can be helpful to choose edubuntu if you dont have much money [03:55] yes [03:56] but this sentence makes me think: Edubuntu is very limited because it is only for poor people and is much worse than Microsoft [03:56] yup === Yagisan sobs === Yagisan had the perfect cluster setup, then bang out of memory on the clients === Yagisan 's todo list. make drink && make debdiff && harass ogra && beg, borrow or steal some more ram for clients && screenshot ltsp based dvd ripping cluster && brag as I get 2 fps on each box === ogra wonders what he wants to harass him about ... === lucasvo harrasses ogra until he gets a powerbutton in ldm! [04:04] :D [04:04] i thought you were about to write one :P [04:05] yeah, python isn't that easy [04:05] and GTK is quite big :D [04:05] ahhh.... its easier than VBscript [04:06] I don't know Visual Basic [04:07] I wouldn't even know how to place the button [04:07] just look at the buttons that are already there :)( [04:07] I can't see any buttons [04:08] there is a language button and a session buttonin the code [04:08] ogra: when I have a modified source, and I want to try it out, how do I have to do it? [04:08] ah, in the code [04:08] just run the greeter from a terminal ... [04:09] hm, ok [04:09]