[12:12] <Lord_Athur> arkan0x, 
[12:12] <Lord_Athur> 
[12:32] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, hi
[12:33] <Lord_Athur> arkan0x, 
[12:33] <Lord_Athur> did you recive my email?
[12:33] <arkan0x> parece ke no
[12:33] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, edubuntu-es
[12:33] <arkan0x> canal
[12:34] <Lord_Athur> 
[01:13] <vlekk> So what are we looking at for edubuntu vs. ubuntu?
[01:14] <vlekk> Mostyl LSTP?
[01:14] <vlekk> LTSP even
[01:19] <Lord_Athur> I'd like to start my system with other ip and mask, where can I find information using internet?
[01:21] <ogra> vlekk, then we'd call it Lubuntu ;)
[01:21] <vlekk> You want to change the private network you are on?
[01:21] <ogra> Lord_Athur, use the network control panel from your system menu 
[01:22] <ogra> vlekk, its a bit more than LTSP, even if development for the surrent version is fcoused on it ...
[01:22] <ogra> *current
[01:23] <ogra> Lord_Athur, (or if you like to poke around in config files pick /etc/network/interfaces)
[01:23] <vlekk> I'm guessing a 'server' install off of a regular ubuntu cd then 'apt-get install edubuntuj
[01:23] <vlekk> damn kids
[01:24] <vlekk> keep mashing down on my keyboard
[01:24] <ogra> vlekk, there is kdeedu, gcompris, the tux4kids apps, different artwork a schooltool calendar server, preparation for moodle ...
[01:24] <vlekk> issuing 'apt-get install edubuntu-desktop will give me the same
[01:24] <ogra> adn LTSP
[01:24] <ogra> *and
[01:24] <ogra> nope
[01:25] <ogra> the installer is modidfied to set up the ltsp environemnt for you ... 
[01:25] <ogra> edubuntu-desktop gives you the edubuntu standfalone workstation install
[01:25] <vlekk> ....wondering if there is a network install...
[01:25] <vlekk> no cd burner
[01:25] <Lord_Athur> will the shipping part of the ubuntu project allow us to order edubuntu CDs instead of ubuntu CDs?
[01:25] <ogra> there is a ubuntu network instal 
[01:26] <ogra> Lord_Athur, it was said that we'll have some thousand CDs for educational projects to ship with dapper ...
[01:26] <Lord_Athur> really?
[01:26] <Lord_Athur> can we make an order now?
[01:26] <ogra> but they have to provide exact info where the CDs are used and what for  ...
[01:27] <ogra> nope
[01:27] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:27] <Lord_Athur> then how can I give them information about me
[01:27] <Lord_Athur> and my school?
[01:27] <ogra> send a mail to JaneW 
[01:28] <ogra> i'm not sure how she plans to do it this time ...
[01:28] <Lord_Athur> mm
[01:28] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:28] <ogra> we tried with a wikipage for the last release, but since there was nobody providing info, the CDs were cancelled
[01:28] <Lord_Athur> a?????
[01:28] <Lord_Athur> info about what=?
[01:29] <ogra> mark wants to see that there is enough interest, before he donates money for that
[01:29] <ogra> what kind of project, why do they want CDs, what will they be used for in which part of the world etc ...
[01:29] <Lord_Athur> but
[01:29] <Lord_Athur> I had a wikipage
[01:30] <Lord_Athur> but nobody send me an email
[01:30] <Lord_Athur> about my intentions
[01:30] <Lord_Athur> with edubuntu
[01:30] <Lord_Athur> and finally I deleted the page
[01:30] <Lord_Athur> :S
[01:30] <vlekk> looks like my only option is to wait until i can get a cd burned....don't see a network install image
[01:30] <ogra> Lord_Athur, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuShippingPlans
[01:31] <Lord_Athur> ok ogra 
[01:31] <ogra> there are is only mhz ...
[01:31] <ogra> vlekk, you can use the ubuntu netinstall image ...
[01:32] <ogra> and install edubuntu-server and edubuntu-desktop on top ...
[01:32] <Lord_Athur> then, do I put my name and the number of cds that I want?
[01:32] <vlekk> oic....so after installing issue 'apt-get install edubuntu-server' and 'apt-get install edubuntu-desktop'
[01:33] <ogra> then follow the ThinClientHowto from wiki.edubuntu.org (as opposed to EdubuntuInstallNotes for a burned CD)
[01:33] <ogra> Lord_Athur, nope
[01:33] <Lord_Athur> 
[01:33] <Lord_Athur> then
[01:33] <ogra> that was for the last release and discarded, as i said
[01:33] <Lord_Athur> tell me what I must do
[01:33] <Lord_Athur> :D
[01:33] <ogra> i told you above
[01:33] <Lord_Athur> oki
[01:33] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[01:33] <ogra> mail JaneW 
[01:33] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:33] <Lord_Athur> what's that?
[01:34] <vlekk> Lord_Athur: email me your address to vlekk@yahoo.com and I can send you a regular ubuntu install cd...i have a few
[01:34] <ogra> Lord_Athur, janew@hbd.com
[01:35] <ogra> she will collect requests, if we get enough, there will be pressed CDs this release
[01:35] <ogra> mark wont just donate money for CDs we'll never ship ... so he needs some proof that there is enough interest
[01:35] <Lord_Athur> will the CDs be free of charge (for shipping)?
[01:35] <ogra> yup
[01:36] <Lord_Athur> yup?
[01:36] <Lord_Athur> what's that?
[01:36] <ogra> if mark/canonical pays for them ...
[01:36] <ogra> yup==yes
[01:36] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:36] <Lord_Athur> vlekk, and you game different address
[01:36] <Lord_Athur> what's the correct?
[01:37] <Lord_Athur> vlekk, 
[01:37] <vlekk> ummmm
[01:37] <Lord_Athur> where do you live?
[01:37] <vlekk> please rephrase that
[01:37] <vlekk> earth
[01:37] <ogra> lol
[01:38] <Lord_Athur> 
[01:38] <Lord_Athur> country
[01:38] <Lord_Athur> city
[01:38] <ogra> sad, i was hopng moon or mars :)
[01:38] <Lord_Athur> 
[01:38] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[01:38] <vlekk> west coast of north america
[01:38] <vlekk> i don't care where i have to mail it....it would only cost me a few dollars at most
[01:38] <Lord_Athur> maybe we haven't got the best comunication because I don't understand ever the things that you are writing to me :S
[01:39] <Lord_Athur> vlekk, 
[01:39] <vlekk> What?
[01:40] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[01:40] <vlekk> I don't know what 'jajaja' means.
[01:41] <Lord_Athur> I've got ubuntu instalation CDs
[01:41] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[01:41] <Lord_Athur> P3L|C4N0, 
[01:41] <vlekk> Then you can install edubuntu also.
[01:41] <Lord_Athur> como se dice "risa" en ingls?
[01:41] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:41] <ogra> vlekk, Lord_Athur means your spanish isnt good enough for him to understand ... he is from chile :)
[01:42] <Lord_Athur> :D
[01:42] <Lord_Athur> mm
[01:42] <Lord_Athur> and I've got a ba English
[01:42] <Lord_Athur> :S
[01:43] <P3L|C4N0> Lord_Athur,  laughter
[01:43] <vlekk> Hablo muy muy poco Espanol.
[01:43] <ogra> Lord_Athur, thats what i wanted to say with it in my weird german humor ;)
[01:43] <vlekk> Sorry....Espaol
[01:44] <vlekk> I'm working for a BS in Linguistics.
[01:44] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:44] <Lord_Athur> :D
[01:44] <Lord_Athur> .p
[01:45] <vlekk> http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
[01:45] <vlekk> 8-)
[01:45] <Lord_Athur> ogra, 
[01:45] <ogra> heh
[01:46] <Lord_Athur> do I send you a copy of the mail for janew@hbd.com?
[01:46] <ogra> if you like ...
[01:46] <vlekk> I'll return in an hour or two after I get edubuntu on this old box....
[01:46] <Lord_Athur> ok vlekk 
[01:46] <ogra> i'll be asleep than ...
[01:46] <Lord_Athur> then ogra 
[01:46] <ogra> *then 
[01:47] <Lord_Athur> ogra, give me your mail address
[01:47] <Lord_Athur> if you want
[01:47] <Lord_Athur> :D
[01:47] <ogra> ogra@ubuntu.com
[01:47] <Lord_Athur> ogra, can I get a free email of ubuntu?
[01:47] <Lord_Athur> :D
[01:47] <ogra> sure
[01:47] <Lord_Athur> I'd be so happy
[01:47] <Lord_Athur> how?
[01:48] <ogra> you need to become a member
[01:48] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto
[01:50] <Lord_Athur> where do you do the meetings?
[01:51] <Lord_Athur> ogra, I sent you the mail
[01:51] <Lord_Athur> with copy to the woman 
[01:51] <Lord_Athur> :D
[01:52] <Lord_Athur> Do I have to be a member to get the mail
[01:52] <Lord_Athur> ?
[01:52] <Lord_Athur> :S
[01:52] <Lord_Athur> jejeje
[01:53] <ogra> yup
[01:54] <ogra> all approved members get such n address
[01:54] <ogra> s/n/an/
[01:54] <Lord_Athur> a?
[01:54] <Lord_Athur> s / n/ an???
[01:55] <ogra> thats a programmer command for substituting "n" with "an" 
[01:56] <ogra> it refers to the sentence before where the "a" of "an" was missing
[01:57] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:57] <Lord_Athur> I've to go
[01:57] <Lord_Athur> bye
[01:57] <Lord_Athur> ogra, 
[01:57] <Lord_Athur> I sent the mail
[01:57] <ogra> yup
[01:57] <ogra> see you around ...
[01:57] <Lord_Athur> remember to write me if you know something
[01:58] <Lord_Athur> :D
[01:58] <Lord_Athur> please
[01:58] <ogra> sure
[08:11] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[08:11] <JaneW> ogra: Edubuntu has been entered for the Stockholm challenge, please take a look at http://www.stockholmchallenge.se/projectdata.asp?id=1&projectid=1044, and let me know if anything needs to be changed
[08:12] <JaneW> ogra: also note that it asked for MY location so now the project is listed as from Cape Town, SA - should I change that to London or what?
[08:13] <crimsun> JaneW:  the Summary, it may be useful to include a short phrase regarding what a "terminal server" is.
[08:14] <crimsun> hum, that was supposed to read "In the Summary"
[08:15] <crimsun> on second thought, perhaps the Summary just needs to be streamlined to place that reference closer to the "LTSP thin client architecture"
[08:16] <JaneW> crimsun: ok I am open to suggestions, it was a LONG entry form so I am sure my effort can be improved on ;)
[08:17] <crimsun> I'm trying to gauge the target audience (well, at least the judges?)
[08:19] <crimsun> I think off the bat in the top description it's worthwhile emphasising that it's a "complete single-disc education-focused..."
[08:19] <crimsun> That way it's reinforced in the Summary.
[08:21] <JaneW> right
[08:24] <JaneW> crimsun: it's there already "Edubuntu includes more than 16,000 pieces of software, but the core installation fits on a single CD."
[08:24] <crimsun> JaneW: right. I was referring to the idea that the top description would be more forceful if it emphasised the single-cd bit
[08:30] <JaneW> crimsun: do you think that really matters in the first sentence?
[08:31] <crimsun> JaneW: to be honest, no, it's not absolutely critical, but it's certainly one of Edubuntu's strongest selling points, a single-disc solution
[08:57] <lucasvo> crimsun: it is not only a a single-disc solution, it has also an included Opensource(free) Operating system,
[10:18] <lucasvo> ogra: what's the topic for edubuntu meeting?
[10:21] <Yagisan> lucasvo: how to turn your edubuntu setup into a dvd ripping cluster ;)
[10:22] <lucasvo> Yagisan: yeah, good idea :D
[10:23] <lucasvo> Yagisan: are you using it?
[10:25] <Yagisan> lucasvo: building it right now
[10:25] <Yagisan> lucasvo: I have the LTSP server, and the firewall running, now I'm adding the clients :)
[10:50] <ogra> JaneW, looks fine to me
[10:50] <JaneW> ogra: :)
[10:51] <ogra> lucasvo, we have a fixed agenda .... its always the same
[12:10] <lucasvo> ogra: ah ok
[12:12] <Yagisan> ogra: If I add a nfs entry to /etc/fstab in the ltsp chroot, should the client automatically mount it on boot ?
[12:13] <lucasvo> Yagisan: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/fstab is the correct file
[12:13] <lucasvo> Yagisan: theoretically yes
[12:13] <lucasvo> I think
[12:13] <ogra> if you dont put noauto in it, that should work .... 
[12:15] <Yagisan> ok. this is odd, reading /etc.fstab from the client, shows a different /etc/fstab then the one in the chroot on the server
[12:16] <ogra> ah... yes, wait a sec
[12:17] <ogra> have a look at configure_fstab() /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup
[12:19] <ogra> add it there (and provide a clean patch to put "$EXTRADIRS" in there ;) so i can add it ) 
[12:19] <Yagisan> brb - baby calling
[12:32] <Yagisan> ogra: I suppose I should provide a patch against dappers ltsp package for you
[12:32] <ogra> yup
[12:33] <Yagisan> any issues in backporting dappers ltsp package to breezy ?
[12:33] <ogra> yes ...
[12:34] <ogra> the current one might be fine, but the next upload will have some changes that need dhcpd 3.0.3
[12:34] <ogra> so if you want to manually bakport, use the current one ...
[12:35] <Yagisan> ogra: so, other then dhcp, no other issues ? if so, it's an easy backport, and as an added bonus, I can test the patch before sending it :)
[12:36] <ogra> yup, it will also be an easy backport in the future as long as you do it manually ... but we cant put it in breezy-backports
[12:36] <ogra> since i'll add a versioned dependency on dhcpd 3.0.3
[12:37] <ogra> (which is easy to work around locally, but a bad thing in -backports)
[12:37] <Yagisan> ogra: no worries ogra, that's why I have "deb http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse" in all my sources :)
[12:37] <ogra> oki
[12:38] <Yagisan> for all my backports, and "ubuntu-can't-ship-it" packages
[12:38] <ogra> just be careful to not break others that might use your repo ;)
[12:39] <Yagisan> ogra: yeah, I've had a few breakages in the past. /me recalls a few packages getting to a -6 version in under an hour from a -1
[12:46] <Yagisan> ogra: ltsp-client-setup can only see what is in the ltsp chroot right ? so no pointing it to the servers /etc for config files
[12:49] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-devel in 10 mins
[12:50] <irvin> JaneW, where can i find the meeting agenda?
[12:50] <JaneW> http://www.aunali.plus.com/html/xmas_sound_anim.htm
[12:50] <JaneW> oops not not there ;)
[12:50] <JaneW> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords
[12:50] <irvin> thanks
[12:51] <irvin> is it on #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-meeting?
[12:52] <JaneW> gees, I think I am on drugs...
[12:52] <JaneW> lemme try again
[12:52] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 8 mins
[12:52] <JaneW> sorry all
[12:52] <Yagisan> JaneW: Can I get some of those drugs ;)
[12:52] <JaneW> (I NEED my holiday!)
[12:53] <JaneW> Yagisan: if you wanna be brain death and all useless sure ;)
[12:53] <Yagisan> JaneW: no for that I had two small kids, lack of sleep does that
[12:54] <JaneW> Yagisan: indeed!
[12:54] <Yagisan> JaneW: I'd like something that makes me feel happy waking up every 45 minutes to change nappies and feed the kids
[12:55] <JaneW> Yagisan: *cough*sex*cough* ?
[12:56] <Yagisan> JaneW: sex is but a distant memory to me now
[12:56] <JaneW> heh
[12:58] <Yagisan> JaneW: I can't even mention that word to my wife now. The baby was huge and tore her up quite bad. 4 weeks and still not healed :(
[01:02] <JaneW> Yagisan: ouch
[01:03] <Yagisan> JaneW: that is an understatement. She has trouble sitting down, can't run either.
[01:03] <JaneW> *flinch*
[01:04] <Yagisan> JaneW: I describe it as a tiny little Japanese lady, giving birth to a 3.5kg football. It wasn't going to fit.
[01:05] <JaneW> poor lady
[01:05] <JaneW> mine were 4.5kgs, but I am not little ;)
[01:05] <JaneW> and I have WIIIDE hips ;)
[01:10] <ogra> JaneW, not really ...
[01:50] <Lord_Athur> ogra, 
[01:53] <Lord_Athur> ogra, 
[01:53] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: meeting
[01:53] <Lord_Athur> mm
[01:53] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:54] <Lord_Athur> I have not seen mhz here, has he been on line today?
[01:55] <Lord_Athur> Yagisan, did mhz change his nickname?
[01:58] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: nope, he must be having a day off
[01:58] <JaneW> Yagisan: gasp, slacker! ;P
[01:59] <Yagisan> yep. how dare he sleep! ;)
[02:09] <JaneW> hello
[02:09] <JaneW> oh in other news
[02:09] <lucasvo> hi
[02:09] <JaneW> I forgot to mention it IN the meeting
[02:09] <ogra> that mhz is a slacker ? 
[02:09] <kjcole> ("Ahh, this must be the Old Same Place..." or "How can you be in two places at once, when you're not anywhere at all?" -- Firesign Theater)
[02:09] <JaneW> I have entered Edubuntu into the Educational category of the The Stockholm Challenge Award 2006
[02:10] <JaneW> ogra: lol, no we'll let him of, but just this once ;)
[02:10] <ogra> yeah, and located it to SA :)
[02:10] <JaneW> http://www.stockholmchallenge.se/projectdata.asp?id=1&projectid=1044
[02:10] <JaneW> ogra: what should it be?
[02:10] <ogra> so if we get a price, i can see SA :)
[02:10] <lucasvo> SA?
[02:11] <JaneW> please any suggestions to change/improve the entry are welcomed
[02:11] <ogra> JaneW, oh, its absolutely fine 
[02:11] <ogra> just lets win and mark will pay a flight for me :) 
[02:11] <JaneW> ogra: I didn;t realise it was going to be listed like that but I am more than happy to change it, it;s very easy to do
[02:11] <ogra> no, leave it :)
[02:11] <ogra> its fine :)
[02:12] <JaneW> I am thinking it should be UK, since that's where canonical 'is'
[02:13] <ogra> then it should be "isle of man", since thats canonicals address
[02:13] <Yagisan> Why ? the developers are from all over the world
[02:13] <Yagisan> just stick in EARTH
[02:13] <ogra> yeah
[02:14] <lucasvo> hm, kjcole I can't find the "Join" link on the launchpad page
[02:14] <kjcole> lucasvo, hold on a second.  It's there, but I forget where.  (You're on the "Cookbook Cooks" page?)
[02:15] <lucasvo> https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu.cookbook/
[02:16] <lucasvo> kjcole: ah, I found it
[02:16] <lucasvo> kjcole: joined
[02:19] <Yagisan> why is it that ltsp has to be the one package that isn't liked
[02:19] <Yagisan> by debarchiver
[02:21] <kjcole> Gots to RUN once again and pretend to work for my office. 
[02:21] <kjcole> Ta-ta all
[02:22] <lucasvo> kjcole: bye
[02:42] <Lord_Athur> hi
[02:44] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: Hi, mhz is still slacking ;)
[02:45] <Lord_Athur> a=?
[02:46] <Lord_Athur> I did not understand it
[02:46] <Lord_Athur> :S
[02:47] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: mhz has not logged in since you were here last
[02:48] <Lord_Athur> ok
[02:48] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[02:48] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: It was my poor attempt at humor
[02:48] <Lord_Athur> :D
[02:48] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[02:49] <Lord_Athur> Yagisan, I'm Spanish and I cannot understand the Engish humot fine
[02:49] <Lord_Athur> :P
[02:50] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: that's ok - my wife is Japanese and she has trouble understanding my humor too
[02:50] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[02:50] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: actually, so do many English speaking people ...
[03:04] <Lord_Athur> :D
[03:20] <Yagisan> ogra: Could you explain to me why video ram should be limited in the ltsp clients ?
[03:20] <Yagisan> ogra: I don't understand why it needs to be capped
[03:21] <ogra> Yagisan, see my answer at the bottom opf the spec
[03:22] <Yagisan> ogra: I know that the video memory gets slotted in the address space, but I can't see how it uses much kernel memory
[03:22] <ogra> nope
[03:23] <Lord_Athur> ogra, 
[03:23] <ogra> the kernel already uses the memory, X cant allocate memory and fails to start
[03:25] <Lord_Athur> ogra, the resquest woman sent me an answer, but my e-mal had any problems and I could not read the mail
[03:25] <Lord_Athur> :S
[03:25] <Yagisan> ogra: how so ? I'm looking at the /proc/meminfo on a 64MB client with a 64MB video card
[03:26] <ogra> Yagisan, we tested with a 128MB card and main mem set to 48MB (which boots fine with a 32MB card) ...
[03:27] <ogra> we had different results, like kernel oopsing because out of memory or X not starting but the system booted 
[03:28] <ogra> Lord_Athur, i think she is on christmas holiday since 1h ... you'll have to wait till next year
[03:28] <Lord_Athur> :D
[03:29] <lucasvo> Lord_Athur: she turned off her laptop!
[03:29] <ogra> with a little luck she might drop by here before she leaves completely ...)
[03:29] <lucasvo> ;-)
[03:29] <Lord_Athur> ok lucasvo 
[03:30] <lucasvo> who is working on the cookbook amt?
[03:30] <lucasvo> *atm
[03:32] <Yagisan> ogra: that is odd. I'd have expected a small increase in the PageTables size to accommodate the extra video ram space, but not your results
[03:32] <lucasvo> lucasvo@lama:~/ubuntu/Lucas_CookBook/lore$ make
[03:32] <lucasvo> lore --config template=./resources/template.tpl *.lore
[03:32] <lucasvo> /usr/bin/lore: ./resources/template.tpl: No such file or directory
[03:32] <lucasvo> getProcessor() failed
[03:40] <Yagisan> ogra: ltsp patches bugzilla or malone ?
[03:41] <ogra> bugzilla
[03:41] <Lord_Athur> I forgot it, but what program can I uso for graphical design (for cards, letters)?
[03:41] <lucasvo> is launchpad opensource software?
[03:41] <ogra> feel free to assign it to me
[03:41] <ogra> lucasvo, nope
[03:41] <lucasvo> Lord_Athur: scribus, inkscape?
[03:41] <ogra> Lord_Athur, inkscape 
[03:41] <lucasvo> ogra: why not?
[03:41] <ogra> and glables to put it on cards
[03:42] <ogra> lucasvo, because canonical lives from it ... it will be GPLed once
[03:42] <Yagisan> ogra: ok. better test it first then
[03:42] <lucasvo> like bitkeeper
[03:42] <lucasvo> ogra: canonical sells it?
[03:42] <ogra> lucasvo, services on it 
[03:42] <lucasvo> ogra: what services?
[03:42] <Yagisan> lucasvo: support for one thing
[03:43] <ogra> there will be the possibility to click together your ownb derivative CD for example ... we'll charge for the CPU power that costs
[03:45] <Yagisan> ogra: seen this error before "sudo: unable to lookup ltsp via gethostbyname()"
[03:45] <ogra> are you root ? 
[03:45] <Yagisan> no
[03:46] <ogra> sure ? 
[03:46] <ogra> thats normal if you run sudo as root for example
[03:46] <ogra> dunno where else it occurs
[03:46] <ogra> dont forget that chroot makes you root ...
[03:46] <Yagisan> oh yes, quite sure. I added another non-privileged user to the ltsp chroots
[03:47] <Yagisan> something to run as the dvd rip and encode user
[03:48] <Yagisan> I logged out, then back in again as root
[03:48] <Yagisan> I wanted to reboot the thin clients *without* walking across the room to do it
[03:50] <lucasvo> is ldm running as root?
[03:50] <Yagisan> lucasvo: no idea. I'll check when the clients restart
[03:52] <ogra> lucasvo, yes
[03:53] <lucasvo> Well, of course that depends on who you are and what you need it for. If you're interested in Edubuntu then you probably don't have lots and lots of money, and you're probably interested in learning: learning about computers, yes, but also education in general. When answering this question for yourself, here are two things to keep in mind:
[03:54] <Yagisan> woooo hooooo!!
[03:54] <Yagisan> worked first time :)
[03:54] <lucasvo> this is crap, it should be removed from cookbook, edubuntu is not *only* for people without money!
[03:54] <ogra> yup
[03:54] <ogra> fully agreed
[03:55] <ogra> but it should be pointed ot that it can be helpful to choose edubuntu if you dont have much money
[03:55] <lucasvo> yes
[03:56] <lucasvo> but this sentence makes me think: Edubuntu is very limited because it is only for poor people and is much worse than Microsoft
[03:56] <ogra> yup
[04:04] <lucasvo> :D
[04:04] <ogra> i thought you were about to write one :P
[04:05] <lucasvo> yeah, python isn't that easy
[04:05] <lucasvo> and GTK is quite big :D
[04:05] <ogra> ahhh.... its easier than VBscript
[04:06] <lucasvo> I don't know Visual Basic
[04:07] <lucasvo> I wouldn't even know how to place the button
[04:07] <ogra> just look at the buttons that are already there :)(
[04:07] <lucasvo> I can't see any buttons
[04:08] <ogra> there is a language button and a session buttonin the code
[04:08] <lucasvo> ogra: when I have a modified source, and I want to try it out, how do I have to do it?
[04:08] <lucasvo> ah, in the code
[04:08] <ogra> just run the greeter from a terminal ...
[04:09] <lucasvo> hm, ok
[04:09] <lucasvo> ogra: will it start up X
[04:09] <lucasvo> ?
[04:09] <ogra> nope, i mean on your desktop
[04:09] <ogra> just execute the greeter
[04:09] <ogra> for designing it thats enough ...
[04:09] <ogra> if you need the functionallity, yu need to test it on a real thin client
[04:10] <ogra> s/need/need to test/
[04:11] <lucasvo> and how can I do that?
[04:12] <ogra> copy the pieces you changed in the chroot
[04:12] <lucasvo> so cp CHECKOUT chroot/etc/
[04:13] <lucasvo> or do I have to remove .bzr?
[04:13] <ogra> no, copy only the changed files
[04:16] <Lord_Athur> ogra, 
[04:16] <Lord_Athur> what's the name of the program foused to make cards?
[04:17] <ogra> use inkscape for drawing, gimp to edit the drawings and glabels or scribus to make a layout for cards
[04:18] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[04:20] <lucasvo> lucasvo@lama:~/ubuntu/Lucas_ldm/client$ python ldm
[04:20] <lucasvo> Usage: ldm <vt[1-N] > <:[0-N] >
[04:23] <ogra> thats not the greeter
[04:26] <Yagisan> bugzilla is ssslllloooowww
[04:26] <ogra> as ussual ...
[04:26] <ogra> additionally we have bugday today :)
[04:27] <lucasvo> everyday should be bugday
[04:28] <lucasvo> is the firefox downloads windows working ?
[04:28] <lucasvo> mine doesn't dispaly anything
[04:30] <lucasvo> a new version of X included into dapper recently?
[04:31] <ogra> but malone is universe only
[04:32] <mhz> hi all
[04:32] <Lord_Athur> mhz,  hi
[04:32] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hey!!!
[04:33] <lucasvo> hi mhz 
[04:33] <mhz> lucasvo: nice to see ya
[04:33] <lucasvo> ogra: how can i start the greeter?
[04:34] <ogra> you execute the binary 
[04:34] <mhz> /etc/init.d/gdm?
[04:34] <Yagisan> ogra: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21370
[04:35] <ogra> lucasvo, the gtk binary ...
[04:35] <Yagisan> oh, we don't have an Ubugtu here
[04:35] <lucasvo> greeter/gtk?
[04:35] <ogra> yup
[04:35] <ogra> Yagisan, luckily not
[04:35] <Yagisan> mhz: the slacker arrives at last ;)
[04:36] <ogra> we are humans !!
[04:36] <lucasvo> (gtk:3856): libglade-WARNING **: could not find glade file '/usr/lib/ltsp/greeters/greeter.glade'
[04:36] <mhz> Yagisan: hi there!
[04:36] <Yagisan> ogra: yeah, I've started spelling out the bug number in #ubuntu-motu to stop Ubugtu
[04:36] <mhz> Yagisan: my english no good today :(
[04:36] <lucasvo> some bots are usefull but not humanoids
[04:37] <ogra> lucasvo, you know the drill ... the paths are for the package ... change them 
[04:37] <Yagisan> mhz: that's ok. Lord_Athur was looking for you earlier, and we joked that you would not log in today because you decided to take the day off
[04:38] <Yagisan> now to find some more ram for the clients. removing lrm had zero effect :(
[04:39] <ogra> you need to regenerate the initramfs ...
[04:39] <ogra> else they still get loaded there
[04:39] <ogra> (look for l-r-m mounts ;) )
[04:40] <ogra> hmm, might be that this has no effect in breezy ...
[04:41] <Yagisan> oh, I purged it from the chroot, and rebooted the clients, it should be gone
[04:42] <mhz> Yagisan: well, I am so tired and I have been solving so many family issues that believe... day off sounds real temting
[04:42] <Yagisan> anyway, I have the boxes open and am changing ram over
[04:43] <Yagisan> mhz: I know that feeling
[04:43] <lucasvo> ogra: should the buttons already appear on screen?
[04:43] <Yagisan> mhz: If you are around a bit longer, I hope to show you a dvd ripping cluster built out of ltsp clients
[04:44] <Lord_Athur> I've got a little time now
[04:44] <mhz> yeah!!!!!, Yagisan that'd be cool! (however I am at and off the desktop while I am cooking :)
[04:45] <Yagisan> no worries. I'm around to, its 30 degrees C, and almost 3am here
[04:47] <mhz> wow!
[04:47] <mhz> 30 !
[04:48] <Yagisan> mhz: it was 37 during the day, we had a few bushfires too
[04:48] <lucasvo> ogra_: ok, I am trying to activate the buttons, but my toolbars from gnome are in the way, I can't read it
[04:49] <ogra> hit alt-tab
[04:49] <ogra> Yagisan, regenerated the initramfs ? 
[04:50] <ogra> purging isnt enough ... th emodules will still be in the old initramfs ...
[04:50] <lucasvo> but somehow it doesn't work
[04:51] <ogra> the buttons are in the center of the screen ... intresting place for atoolbar :P
[04:51] <lucasvo> ogra: I uncommented print self.language
[04:51] <Yagisan> ogra: no, I'd need instructions, and my clients are spread over the floor having ram cannibalised from them
[04:51] <ogra> thats the output
[04:51] <ogra> read the comments
[04:52] <ogra> Yagisan, dpkg-reconfigure linux-image........
[04:52] <ogra> that generates a new one
[04:55] <lucasvo> ah ok
[04:55] <lucasvo> I found the buttons
[04:55] <lucasvo> ogra: but why aren't they on the bottom, like in normal gdm?
[04:57] <ogra> they arent at the bottom in gdm's human theme i used as referance
[04:58] <lucasvo> hm
[04:58] <lucasvo> I would use the edubuntu theme, where they are at the bottom
[05:01] <mhz> Yagisan: were you in today's meeting?
[05:05] <Yagisan> mhz: yes
[05:06] <Yagisan> mhz: need a copy of the log ?
[05:06] <mhz> Yagisan: i guess I can get it via URL, but if you do have it there ... :)
[05:09] <Yagisan> mhz: dcc broke ?
[05:09] <mhz> Yagisan: gimme a sec. I had blocked it duh!
[05:10] <Yagisan> for those interested dvd ripping ltsp cluster screenie http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/ltsp-dvdrip-cluster.png
[05:10] <mhz> Yagisan: shoot again, pls
[05:10] <mhz> Yagisan: thx
[05:11] <lucasvo> Yagisan: can you send me the ripped dvd as well :P
[05:11] <Yagisan> lucasvo: 1400MB on a 256k up pipe ? 
[05:12] <Yagisan> lucasvo: the goal is to rip all my daughters expensive children's dvds so I don't have to cough up $40 for a replacement  when she breaks them
[05:13] <lucasvo> ah, ok
[05:13] <Yagisan> I'd have had more boxes, but I cannibalised the ram for it. BTW ogra, no lrm mount points were found after purging
[05:14] <mhz> cannibalised? hehehehe
[05:15] <ogra> hmm, but you said it didnt free up memory
[05:15] <lucasvo> waa
[05:15] <lucasvo> I hate gtk
[05:17] <lucasvo> ogra: so far the button is being drawn
[05:17] <lucasvo> ogra: but when i click on it, the language selection menu opens
[05:17] <ogra> thats fine (for the language button)
[05:17] <ogra> :)
[05:18] <lucasvo> good night Yagisan 
[05:18] <ogra> Yagisan, hey, what about harassing ? 
[05:18] <lucasvo> ogra: actually it says Halt
[05:18] <Yagisan> ogra: yeah  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21370
[05:18] <lucasvo> ogra: so it is quite confusing
[05:18] <ogra> lucasvo, so fix that :)
[05:19] <Yagisan> ogra: I expect a merge before I wake up :-P
[05:19] <mhz> Yagisan: thx, sleep well
[05:19] <Yagisan> goodnight
[05:19] <lucasvo> ogra: hm
[05:19] <ogra> :P
[05:19] <ogra> night
[05:19] <lucasvo> ogra: it is not that easy
[05:20] <lucasvo> how can I run a command out of python?
[05:20] <ogra> sure, just find out how it works for the lang menu... rip out the lang menu code and add halt code there :)
[05:22] <lucasvo> ogra: you wont accept it anyway, because it is a) ugly code b) totally inefficient c) design is ruine
[05:22] <lucasvo> d
[05:23] <ogra> yes, but you learn a lot, just go on, make it work and we can review it together
[05:23] <lucasvo> :D
[05:27] <lucasvo> hm, I would like to have the halt button in the lower left corner
[05:27] <lucasvo> <widget class="GtkLabel" id="host_label">
[05:28] <lucasvo> ^ isn't a button?
[05:32] <lucasvo> ogra: how can I test/debug .glade?
[05:32] <ogra> in the glade gui tool...
[05:36] <lucasvo> ogra: package?
[05:36] <ogra> glade2
[05:38] <lucasvo> ogra: are you going on holiday?
[05:39] <ogra> not really
[05:39] <lucasvo> ogra: so you will be here, assisting me in coding python ? :)
[05:40] <lucasvo> ogra: I used vim for glade :D
[05:40] <ogra> i'll visit my parents for dsome days, but mainly will be around th erest of the time
[05:41] <lucasvo> ** (glade-2:10353): WARNING **: did not finish in PARSER_FINISH state!
[05:43] <lucasvo> I don't really understand glade-2
[05:46] <ogra> lucasvo, did you edit the file ? 
[05:46] <lucasvo> ogra: I restored now
[05:46] <lucasvo> but I don't see where I can change the gui
[06:02] <dcuny> Is anyone here able to answer questions about edubuntu?
[06:02] <ogra> dcuny, sure
[06:03] <dcuny> OK, thanks. I picked up the latest live CD, and can't use it - the main menu comes up blank. That is, it displays, and then disappears and is replaced by a 3x3 pixel empty menu.
[06:03] <dcuny> Is this a known bug?
[06:04] <dcuny> The other two menus work fine.
[06:04] <ogra> yup, thats a gamin bug ...
[06:05] <ogra> its listed in the ubuntu announcement i linked from the edubuntu announcement i think
[06:05] <dcuny> Thanks, I just wanted to make sure it was reported. Seems a bit odd a bug that large got through. :(
[06:06] <ogra> it vdidnt "get through"
[06:06] <ogra> :)
[06:06] <ogra> its just not fixed yet ...
[06:07] <dcuny> OK... Is there anywhere on the edubuntu site I can find out about this?
[06:07] <ogra> dapper is not even 2 months old currently we are still bringing in new features.... 
[06:07] <ogra> its a bug we inherit from ubuntu, there is surely a bug about it in bugzilla
[06:08] <dcuny> I didn't think I saw it in the Dapper release I grabbed. :?
[06:09] <dcuny> Anyhoo, I just wanted to make sure it got reported. Thanks! -oo-
[07:49] <lucasvo> hi kjcole 
[07:50] <kjcole> lucasvo, Hi again.  I'm on for the accessibilty meeting happening in a minute or two.  
[07:50] <kjcole> lucasvo, I REALLY should stop trying to attend all these IRC meetings and do work for my office!
[07:51] <lucasvo> kjcole: ah, it starts now?
[07:52] <lucasvo> kjcole: is your source compiling?
[07:52] <kjcole> lucasvo, I'm losing track.  I THINK that's the meeting I'm going to. ;-)
[07:52] <lucasvo> kjcole: I mean for the cookbook?
[07:52] <lucasvo> yes it is
[07:52] <lucasvo> in 8 min
[07:53] <kjcole> lucasvo, if by "compiling" you mean "Does lore like it and produce what it should for output?" I'd say "Yes... so far."
[07:53] <lucasvo> http://pastebin.com/473406
[07:55] <lucasvo> kjcole: do you know how I can merge back my changes to your source?
[07:55] <kjcole> Crap.  I didn't use the make file, and so didn't change it.  Will fix that.
[07:56] <lucasvo> kjcole: thanks
[07:57] <lucasvo> kjcole: can you please commit ?
[07:58] <kjcole> lucasvo, soon.  (I don't have a nice secure way for people to write to the machine holding the bzr tree.  I was hoping to have it out on Launchpad instead of my machine.)
[07:59] <jelkner> mhz: mauricio, did you get my email?
[07:59] <kjcole> jelkner, I sent the stuff for review to Ogra.  Am about to join the accessibility meeting starting in a minute or two.
[07:59] <jelkner> cool
[07:59] <lucasvo> kjcole: let's move it
[07:59] <lucasvo> hi jelkner 
[07:59] <lucasvo> jelkner: got my mail?
[07:59] <jelkner> lucasva: yup
[07:59] <kjcole> jelkner, lucasvo tried the make but the Makefile is wrong.  Will fix that.
[08:00] <jelkner> did he get the source?
[08:00] <kjcole> jelkner, grabbed it via bzr from me, yeah.
[08:00] <jelkner> great
[08:00] <jelkner> mhz: mauricio, are you here?
[08:01] <lucasvo> jelkner: I didn't really try to remember what you said during the meeting...
[08:01] <jelkner> about?
[08:02] <lucasvo> jelkner: you said I should write an email
[08:02] <jelkner> and you did
[08:02] <jelkner> now i have your email address
[08:02] <jelkner> and you've also got the book source
[08:02] <lucasvo> jelkner: aha, my E-mail address is in launchpad anyway
[08:03] <jelkner> yes, but i didn't know your name
[08:03] <lucasvo> jelkner: /whois :D
[08:03] <lucasvo> jelkner: no problem
[08:03] <jelkner> know i do, and your email is in my address book
[08:03] <jelkner> s/know/now
[08:04] <jelkner> lucasvo is just tried /whois, how do you use it?
[08:04] <lucasvo> jelkner: /whois jelkner
[08:04] <kjcole> jelkner, /whois lucasvo
[08:04] <jelkner> i typed "/whois lucasvo", hit enter, and got nothing
[08:05] <lucasvo> 20:05 [freenode]  -!- jelkner [n=jelkner@158.59.246.138] 
[08:05] <lucasvo> 20:05 [freenode]  -!-  ircname  : Jeffrey Elkner
[08:05] <lucasvo> 20:05 [freenode]  -!-  channels : #edubuntu
[08:05] <lucasvo> 20:05 [freenode]  -!-  server   : irc.freenode.net [http://freenode.net/] 
[08:05] <lucasvo> 20:05 [freenode]  -!-           : is identified to services
[08:05] <lucasvo> 20:05 [freenode]  -!- End of WHOI
[08:05] <kjcole> jelkner, strange, I get:
[08:05] <jelkner> could it be xchat?
[08:05] <kjcole> [14:04]  [Whois]  lucasvo is n=lucasvo@www.wservices.ch (Lucas Vogelsang)
[08:05] <kjcole> [14:04]  [Whois]  lucasvo is a user on channels: #edubuntu #ubuntu-meeting
[08:05] <kjcole> [14:04]  [Whois]  lucasvo is online via irc.freenode.net (http://freenode.net/)
[08:05] <kjcole> [14:04]  [Whois]  End of WHOIS list.
[08:05] <lucasvo> jelkner: you need to go to the status window
[08:05] <lucasvo> where you have the server status
[08:06] <jelkner> ahh
[08:06] <jelkner> now i see it ;-)
[08:06] <kjcole> jelkner, konversation just puts it right inline with everything else.  No separate window.
[08:06] <jelkner> anyway, you could now pick a chapter and begin editing
[08:07] <jelkner> we have finished chapters 1 to 5
[08:07] <lucasvo> jelkner: I already began
[08:07] <lucasvo> but I would first like to have bzr working
[08:07] <jelkner> on which one are you working?
[08:08] <lucasvo> jelkner: I actually corrected only one typo so far
[08:09] <lucasvo>   corrected typo anew -> a new
[08:09] <jelkner> it would be most helpful if you would grab a chapter that we haven't hit yet and make a first pass at it
[08:09] <jelkner> we will first be making an edit to remove content specific to tuxlabs
[08:10] <jelkner> then we will begin adding back content specific to edubuntu
[08:10] <jelkner> adding lore markup would also be helpful
[08:11] <jelkner> ogra: are you here, oliver?
[08:11] <lucasvo> lore markup is just normal html?
[08:11] <jelkner> yes, and no
[08:11] <jelkner> it is a subset of xhtml
[08:11] <jelkner> so it is easy to use
[08:11] <jelkner> but lore can then convert it into other things
[08:11] <jelkner> including pretty html
[08:12] <jelkner> hold on...
[08:12] <jelkner> http://twistedmatrix.com/projects/lore/documentation/howto/lore.html
[08:12] <lucasvo> I don't really understand bzr
[08:12] <jelkner> me either
[08:12] <lucasvo> I first need to understand bzr
[08:12] <jelkner> kevin is supposed to teach us that
[08:12] <jelkner> you don't really need bzr yet
[08:12] <jelkner> since we don't have it working right anyway
[08:13] <lucasvo> kjcole: teach us bzr! :D
[08:13] <jelkner> he needs to learn it first ;-)
[08:13] <jelkner> but there is no sense in all of us trying to learn it independently
[08:13] <jelkner> that just a case of the technology getting in the way
[08:13] <jelkner> rather than serving our needs
[08:13] <kjcole> lucasvo, jelkner: The blind leading the blind.  (I guess that's why I'm at the accessibility meeting. ;-) )
[08:13] <jelkner> lol
[08:14] <jelkner> ogra: oliver, are you here?
[08:14] <kjcole> lucasvo, I was wrong about the Makefile.  That's not the source of trouble (though it was incorrect).
[08:15] <kjcole> lucasvo, Only the first few chapters are completely lore-ified, but the make attempted to compile them all.  So it complained about the ones that aren't ready yet.
[08:16] <lucasvo> kjcole: as I am not a native english speaker it would probably be better if I lore-ify than writing text
[08:23] <Lord_Athur> hi
[08:24] <lucasvo> hi Lord_Athur 
[08:25] <Lord_Athur> hi lucasvo 
[08:40] <lucasvo> kjcole: could you update a branch to edubuntu cookbook?
[08:41] <lucasvo> https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu.cookbook/+series/pre-alpha/+addrelease?lpnotification=vTzdCz2ENADfj3B5BDsIZHzpYPV
[08:44] <mhz> jelkner: ahora si estoy :)
[08:44] <mhz> jelkner: indeed, I just rea your email
[08:44] <mhz> jelkner: and SURE!! please have them join
[08:50] <jelkner> mhz: hold on, i'm in class
[08:51] <mhz> jelkner: okis
[08:54] <mhz> neurogeek: hi mon
[08:54] <neurogeek> mhz, hey.. how is it going??
[08:54] <mhz> alive and kicking
[08:54] <mhz> and you?
[08:55] <neurogeek> im studying moin :D
[08:55] <mhz> how's your 'boss'?
[08:55] <mhz> Moin, cool! I am glad you can.
[08:55] <neurogeek> just around exhaustion
[08:55] <mhz> remember to ask if needed
[08:55] <mhz> or just give #moin guys a visit
[08:55] <neurogeek> mhz, Ricardo is so so.. his mom's husband dies a week ago.. so.. he's kinda down
[08:56] <mhz> neurogeek: hmm. sorry to hear that
[08:56] <neurogeek> mhz, i haven't gotten into it completely.. but i started out the GUIS and stuff.. and reading configuration guidelines.. 
[08:56] <neurogeek> it will be probably finished (BETA) before long
[08:57] <kjcole> lucasvo, sorry I got called away.  Update a branch to the edubuntu cookbook?  I thought that's what I've been doing.
[08:57] <mhz> neurogeek: please dont' get pressure
[08:57] <mhz> just relax and enjoy
[08:59] <neurogeek> mhz, jejeje don't worry.. although it could be weird.. i code for fun.. not just profit.. jejeje
[08:59] <mhz> cool!
[08:59] <mhz> I need somre profits soon, or my wife will kick my butt
[09:01] <kjcole> mhz, tell her you'll  become an escort for rich widows.
[09:02] <mhz> kjcole: lol1
[09:02] <mhz> kjcole: been there, done that
[09:02] <mhz> :D
[09:02] <mhz> :Di met her?
[09:02] <mhz> kjcole: how do you think I met her?
[09:02] <kjcole> mhz, oooo ;-)
[09:02] <mhz> heheh
[09:03] <kjcole> mhz, Well, if she's rich, what does she need YOUR money for?
[09:03] <mhz> heheh
[09:03] <lucasvo> maybe it is the other way around? :D
[09:03] <mhz> I already spent all her money on this ;)
[09:04] <kjcole> mhz, ah.  I see now.
[09:04] <mhz> kjcole: any news about if i can help on cookbook?
[09:05] <kjcole> mhz, there's been increased demand for participation, and so, I want to encourage Ubuntu/Canonical people to help me get the files up on launchpad.net.
[09:06] <lucasvo> kjcole: yeah, that would be good
[09:06] <lucasvo> kjcole: -> join #launchpad
[09:06] <kjcole> mhz, right now they live on my desktop machine which I'm using as a small server.  Easy to get the sources but I don't have a secure way for people to merge changes back into it.
[09:06] <mhz> ohh
[09:06] <lucasvo> kjcole: we should use launchpad
[09:07] <mhz> not even ssh keys + bzr?
[09:07] <kjcole> lucasvo, I've veen on #launchpad, but not recently.  Ogra had said that launchpad wasn't ready for that kind of stuff yet...
[09:08] <lucasvo> kjcole: ok
[09:08] <kjcole> mhz, That would work, I just haven't set the machine up that way.  My original plan was to use my machine to learn bzr then move the product out to Launchpad.
[09:08] <mhz> kjcole: oooppsss,
[09:08] <mhz> lucasvo: a11y meeting????????
[09:08] <lucasvo> mhz: what?
[09:09] <kjcole> mhz, just finishing up.
[09:09] <mhz> duh!
[09:09] <lucasvo> aha :D
[09:09] <lucasvo> it is already finished
[09:09] <lucasvo> officially
[09:10] <lucasvo> Once you enter the details of the RCS  you use for this product series, Launchpad can attempt to import that code and publish it as a Bazaar branch. This lets distributors share code with you more efficiently, and also allows distributed upstream development.
[09:10] <kjcole> mhz, well, then you'll be able to help with the low-vision testing... ;-)
[09:10] <mhz> kjcole: lol
[09:11] <kjcole> mhz, don't get that in your eyes too.
[09:11] <mhz_phone> hehehe
[09:12] <mhz_phone> kjcole: you are in a very good mood
[09:12] <mhz_phone> cool
[09:13] <lucasvo> I don't understand the bzr merging
[09:13] <kjcole> lucasvo, If I understood launchpad, it will import svn and csv, converting them to bzr, but it won't import bzr itself.
[09:14] <lucasvo> yeah, this is strange
[09:14] <kjcole> lucasvo, at least that's what happened when I tried it.
[09:14] <lucasvo> but you actually shouldn't need a bzr-server because it is a distributed rc
[09:14] <lucasvo> +s
[09:16] <kjcole> lucasvo, that's why I've been messing around with bzr on my system.  It is my first RCS, and I had hoped to learn all about push and merge, etc.
[09:18] <kjcole> lucasvo, if I set up security right, then yeah, keeping the root on my system works. People tell me that the way to work with bzr is for everyone creates a branch locally, pulls from my tree, alters, commits and then pushes.  And I do the merge on their pushes.  (I think.)
[09:18] <lucasvo> kjcole: I have access to a server located in germany, I could put it there
[09:19] <kjcole> lucasvo, the problem is that I want to set up security correctly.  
[09:19] <kjcole> lucasvo, that might be a possibility.  Let me check with Jeff about that, and see what he thinks.
[09:20] <lucasvo> https://launchpad.net/people/kjcole/+branch/edubuntu.cookbook/wip < why aren't there any revisions?
[09:20] <lucasvo> kjcole: do you live in the same city?
[09:21] <lucasvo> hm, how many users would wan't r/w access?
[09:21] <lucasvo> ogra: ping!
[09:21] <kjcole> lucasvo, I think launchpad only scans its own stuff for revisions.  There's no indication that it has ever looked at my tree.  And yes, Jeff and I live about 4 miles apart.
[09:22] <lululinux> lucasvo: this the new MrMazda machine with kubuntu pre edu package install
[09:22] <lululinux> faster
[09:23] <lucasvo> lululinux: faster?
[09:23] <lululinux> almost ready to add the edu package
[09:23] <lucasvo> aha :D
[09:23] <lucasvo> I would remove kde and use gnome instead, it is much faster
[09:23] <lululinux> old was P2-350, new is P3-500
[09:23] <lululinux> lucasvo: you forget, I hate Gnome
[09:24] <lululinux> kid will be using it though
[09:24] <lucasvo> ah, ok
[09:24] <lucasvo> I meant you should use it for your kid
[09:24] <lululinux> what's that apt-get i need to run to add the edu package?
[09:25] <kjcole> Well all, I'm going to get back to non-Ubuntu work for a bit.
[09:25] <lucasvo> lululinux: sudo apt-get install edubuntu-workstation
[09:25] <lucasvo> kjcole: cu
[09:25] <lululinux> lucasvo: thx :)
[09:25] <lucasvo> lululinux: it is not correct ;-)
[09:25] <lucasvo> lululinux: it is :
[09:25] <lucasvo> lululinux: sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[09:28] <lululinux> lucasvo: did you see the 2 bugs I just filed? 21374 21375
[09:30] <lucasvo> no
[09:37] <mhz_phone> highvoltage: hi, do you have a minute?
[09:37] <highvoltage> mhz_phone: yes.
[09:39] <mhz> highvoltage: on LP, I noticed you have used a PNG or JPG on one of the teams descriptions
[09:40] <mhz> I tried to do that, unsuccessfully.
[09:44] <mhz> highvoltage: so, is there a tems' img repo or something we can use?
[09:45] <highvoltage> teams img repo?
[09:45] <highvoltage> what do you mean?
[09:48] <highvoltage> mhz: still there? :)
[09:50] <mhz> highvoltage: sorry, phone again :)
[09:50] <mhz> image repositories for teams to use on Teams LP descriptions
[09:50] <highvoltage> ah :)
[09:50] <highvoltage> i don't think so. I just put together something in GIMP.
[09:51] <mhz> highvoltage: yes, mee too
[09:51] <mhz> and I could happily include a small image or emblem
[09:51] <highvoltage> we could always start a team called launchpad-emblem-creators
[09:52] <mhz> but there are bigger images placed at the exact Team description.
[09:52] <highvoltage> and make emblems for launchpad and keep it in a repository :)
[09:52] <mhz> those images, I couldn't place.
[09:52] <highvoltage> which ones?
[09:52] <mhz> let me show you..
[09:52] <highvoltage> sorry, a bit tired this side.
[09:52] <mhz> no problem
[09:55] <mhz> highvoltage: ie https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-af
[09:56] <mhz> highvoltage: I tried to use html img for that, and nope.
[09:56] <mhz> it was still rendered as a link but not as an image
[09:57] <highvoltage> aaah, so you're asking how to insert the big image?
[09:57] <highvoltage> that's the hackergotchi image.
[09:57] <highvoltage> if you click on hackergotchi you can choose the image there.
[09:58] <highvoltage> strange. i don't see hackergotchi on there anymore.
[09:58] <highvoltage> there must be a hack around it... give me a sec...
[10:00] <highvoltage> mhz: seems like they've taken away the hackergotchi link, but it still exists:
[10:00] <highvoltage> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-af/+edithackergotchi
[10:00] <highvoltage> so you can just add /+edithackergotchi to the end of your team page URL to specify that pic.
[10:01] <mhz> highvoltage: duh! ok, thanks. I never though og it as a hackergotchi
[10:01] <mhz> thankx
[10:01] <highvoltage> np.
[10:01] <mhz> highvoltage: any news on drupal?
[10:02] <highvoltage> we have go-ahead, I need to e-mail to request tracker to have it installed.
[10:03] <highvoltage> this december turned out more hectic than i thought it would.
[10:03] <highvoltage> we'll probably have a new website launch with the new release.
[10:03] <highvoltage> in the meantime, the drupal site will live somewhere like proto.edubuntu.org
[10:03] <highvoltage> and then we can all add content and make it nice for launch.
[10:05] <mhz> highvoltage: thx
[10:17] <mhz> highvoltage: and this is also hackergotchi? https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-website
[10:19] <highvoltage> the website screenshot? yes it is.
[10:20] <mhz> oh, it will be simpler the,
[10:20] <mhz> then.
[11:10] <mhz> kjcole: are you admin of wiki LoCo team?
[11:11] <kjcole> mhz, nope.  Just the leader of the DC LoCo.
[11:12] <mhz> kjcole: and do you have a LoCo setting per State?
[11:12] <mhz> I mean (wiki, irc, ML, etc?)
[11:14] <kjcole> mhz, not yet.  (If I understand you correctly.)  I tried negotiating with the powers regarding a consistent name and need to figure out what they want to do.
[11:15] <mhz> kjcole: and what do you prefer? splitted IRC, ML, wiki? all together as one big US team?
[11:17] <kjcole> mhz, I keep coming back to the idea that "local" means "face-to-face"  I think if you want to reach non-technical people, (teachers, students, community activists, and just average citizens) you don't tell them "Well, if you want help, join this mailing list and get on IRC, then look at every wiki page..."
[11:18] <kjcole> If you can, you tell them to come to an InstallFest, or a pizza gathering, or something close to them where they can meet people.
[11:18] <mhz> kjcole: I agree. My idea is that all regions in Chile (states for you in US) should work coordinated at just one wiki, IRC and ML. And each local activity should be managed by each group of people at that particular region
[11:22] <kjcole> mhz, I don't care how it's done as long as it can be easily reached by newcomers.  To me that means either (a) list all contacts, communities, whatever or (b) set up a predictable way to guess what the team closest to a person might be named.
[11:23] <mhz> kjcole: i see.
[11:24] <kjcole> mhz, I haven't spent as much time working out the details with smurf and others as I should have.
[11:26] <mhz> kjcole: ok, I was wondering because I am planning the UbuntuTour in Chile (planning = seeing how the heck I am going to do it with no resources, just happy faces)
[11:27] <lucasvo> kjcole: so what can I do for edubuntu cookbook atm?
[11:27] <lucasvo> without working bzr
[11:29] <kjcole> lucasvo, you've already successfully gotten the branch...  Have you skimmed most of the tuxLab Cookbook?  
[11:29] <lucasvo> kjcole: no, I can't update your changes
[11:30] <lucasvo> *merge
[11:30] <kjcole> lucasvo, don't worry about that.  If you did the "branch" you can work and commit locally, and at some future point, push, then I do the merge on your push.
[11:31] <kjcole> lucasvo, at least that is the way that I understand things are supposed to work.
[11:31] <lucasvo> but, I need your changes to get it running properly :D
[11:31] <lucasvo> and I don't want to do double work
[11:32] <kjcole> lucasvo, periodically, you can "pull" to keep up with what is on the "server".
[11:32] <mhz> good point
[11:32] <lucasvo> kjcole: no I can't 
[11:33] <kjcole> lucasvo, or am I misunderstanding you (or misunderstanding bzr)?
[11:33] <mhz> kjcole: however, pulling to local is good but he can see he's done something you just did :)
[11:33] <lucasvo> because I made copy of "the server" and then branched
[11:33] <lucasvo> branching doesn't work
[11:34] <kjcole> lucasvo ???  It seemed to work for us.  Push didn't but both branch and pull did.  (Jeff's been pulling to his laptop every weekend.)
[11:36] <mhz> kjcole: what is there was a list of to do's people can 'own' so they work on that part only and then commit it to revision
[11:36] <mhz> ?
[11:36] <kjcole> the sequence of events: "bzr branch http://pchb1f.gallaudet.edu/~kjcole/Edubuntu/Cookbook/"  then each time you want to pull, "cd Cookbook ; bzr pull http:..."
[11:37] <ogra> lucasvo, short pong ?
[11:37] <lucasvo> ogra: resolved
[11:37] <ogra> ah, fine 
[11:38] <lucasvo> for now... ;-)
[11:39] <kjcole> lucasvo, mhz I'm lost.  I think I'm misunderstanding things.
[11:39] <mhz> kjcole: or maybe I am lost?
[11:39] <ogra> kjcole, can i help ? 
[11:40] <mhz> 'it's the end of the world as we know it' :D
[11:40] <kjcole> mhz, this is why we need locos: to guide the lost sheep. ;-)
[11:40] <mhz> hehehe
[11:41] <kjcole> ogra, people want to help with the cookbook, and if I understood how bzr works, folks can branch, then pull to keep up with what the main branch is, and do local changes and commits til I get the push side going.  Right?
[11:41] <kjcole> ogra, and talking on #bzr and #launchpad leads me to believe that day is coming very soon.
[11:42] <ogra> as i said, do all your merging locally, people have to put up their branche for you to pull and merge them ...
[11:42] <ogra> you are maintinaing the master branch and push the merged stuff to your online repo ...
[11:43] <kjcole> ogra, so I should pull theirs and merge, not they should push and I should merge?
[11:43] <ogra> yes
[11:43] <kjcole> ogra, gotcha.
[11:43] <ogra> you work locally on your home machine ...
[11:44] <ogra> they put up their branches, do zthe commits locally on their machines and push the changes to *their* branches
[11:44] <ogra> you just do a: bzr missing url-of-lucasvos-online-branch
[11:44] <ogra> an see whats new for you
[11:44] <kjcole> ogra (this morning I had misunderstood.  I thought you were saying that I should merge, but that everyone should push, but I think I'm getting a clearer picture now.)
[11:45] <ogra> or if you got bzrk, even betterm do a: bzr viz url-of-lucasvos-online-branch and check his changes
[11:45] <ogra> if you like them, merge them in your branch ... then do a push to the master branch 
[11:46] <kjcole> ogra, I got bzrk (and bzr-tools) but haven't touched them.
[11:46] <ogra> try bzr viz ;) its cool 
[11:46] <ogra> it shows you the changes to every single file, where a branch was split out and where it got merged again
[11:47] <kjcole> ogra, bzr viz or bzrk viz?
[11:47] <ogra> bzr viz 
[11:47] <ogra> either run it in a branch locally or with an url as option
[11:47] <kjcole> ogra, ok. (Again, I read too fast and miss stuff.)
[11:48] <ogra> bzrk is very helpful to maintain changes and branches ...
[11:48] <ogra> bzrk == package name, bzr viz == the command to call bzrk
[11:49] <kjcole> ogra, Ah.  This has been a very educational three channels I've been watching. (here, #bzr and #launchpad)
[11:50] <kjcole> Time to turn it all into a wiki page somewhere. ;-)
[11:50] <ogra> launchpad will add the option to maintian your online branches to your account ...
[11:50] <ogra> and launchpad supermirror will enable you to maintain the master branches
[11:51] <ogra> so in the future you only have to say launchpad   theyou want to merge branches from others :)
[11:51] <ogra> s/theyou/that you/
[11:51] <ogra> and its done with a mouseclick :)
[11:52] <ogra> the functionallity of bzrk will be included in launchpad, so you can see the branches and merges 
[11:53] <kjcole> Ogra, will Santa have that ready by Christmas? ;-)  Sounds pretty cool. 
[11:53] <ogra> no idea when its ready ...
[11:53] <ogra> we just had a company wide email from mark where he insists we all should take our time to relax to be fit for 2006 ;)
[11:54] <ogra> and he wants to hear stories from our holidays that dont involve computers :)
[11:54] <kjcole> Ogra, lifeless was saying some of it's coming in January.  
[11:54] <kjcole> Ogra, he's a "wise man" which is a good thing to be at christmas time.
[11:55] <ogra> yup
[11:55] <ogra> he's the best boss i can think of :)
[11:56] <kjcole> ogra, However, for me, I hope to do a lot of work (not necessarily computer work) during the holidays and then relax while everyone else is working. Not only does it work out better for me, I can be smug.
[11:56] <kjcole> ogra, ;-)
[11:56] <ogra> :)
[11:57] <kjcole> Well, I'm going to run along now, I think.
[11:58] <ogra> wow, mhz_shower takes his laptop everywhere :)
[11:59] <ogra> he even sometimes cooks it :)
[12:00] <mhz_shower> ogra: yes
[12:00] <mhz_shower> did you see the photos of it?
[12:00] <ogra> *giggle*
[12:00] <ogra> nope
[12:01] <ogra> is it melted from cooking ? 
[12:01] <mhz_shower> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez/EdubuntuRelatedPhotos
[12:01] <mhz_shower> ogra: hehe
[12:02] <mhz_shower> i haven't got any photos when I am cooking, doing dishes, taking a bath or even ... well, let's say.. "i am at the private library"
[12:03] <mhz_shower> but soon i will, as my mom-in-law gave my wife a real decent camera for xmas.
[12:04] <mhz_shower> I usually take the laptop with me everywhere
[12:04] <mhz_shower> that's why I want a libretto so badly
[12:04] <mhz_shower> (less than 10 inches)