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| Burglaptop | mdke: didn't you want to speak to rob1? | 12:49 |
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| mdke | Burglaptop, for like the last 3 weeks :) | 01:38 |
| mdke | rob1, you alive? | 01:38 |
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| Bonzodog | um | 01:47 |
| Bonzodog | just before you go | 01:47 |
| mdke | hi | 01:47 |
| mdke | i never actually go to bed the first time anyway | 01:48 |
| Bonzodog | how do you feel about the doc? | 01:48 |
| Bonzodog | I'm going to write a mission statement on in | 01:48 |
| mdke | i hate the way you guys call it "the doc" | 01:48 |
| Bonzodog | and about what it does, where we go | 01:48 |
| mdke | otherwise, I've posted my feelings all over the forum | 01:49 |
| Bonzodog | it's easier than UDSF | 01:49 |
| mdke | i think it's a shame you guys don't use the Ubuntu wiki, but I accept your decision to keep it separate | 01:49 |
| KingBahamut | well actually | 01:49 |
| KingBahamut | UDSF has a cool Robotech like tone to it | 01:49 |
| KingBahamut | just doesnt roll out of the mouth quite right | 01:49 |
| mdke | heh | 01:50 |
| Bonzodog | well we feel that it serves a slightly different purpose than the wiki | 01:50 |
| KingBahamut | regardless, mark asked for an assesment in the meeting | 01:50 |
| KingBahamut | for the next meeting on it | 01:50 |
| KingBahamut | from both sides | 01:50 |
| Bonzodog | our's is more about pulling documentation off the forums - how-to's etc | 01:51 |
| KingBahamut | all we want to do is prep them for you guys | 01:51 |
| Bonzodog | and collecting this info in a central pool | 01:51 |
| Bonzodog | so there is a definitive archive | 01:51 |
| mdke | that can't be the only purpose | 01:51 |
| Bonzodog | think of it like - the main wiki is the 'notice board' | 01:52 |
| KingBahamut | it isnt | 01:52 |
| mdke | because otherwise, it would make sense to use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum | 01:52 |
| mdke | given that wikimedia uses a different markup | 01:52 |
| KingBahamut | there are other forms of data | 01:52 |
| Bonzodog | and we are more the 'library' | 01:52 |
| KingBahamut | that couldnt possibly fit an Official status | 01:52 |
| mdke | KingBahamut, the Ubuntu wiki is not "official" either, anyone can post to it | 01:52 |
| KingBahamut | no I understand that | 01:53 |
| KingBahamut | never questioned it | 01:53 |
| KingBahamut | again the original concept of putting it up was to move all pertinent forum data | 01:53 |
| KingBahamut | related to process in an organized fashion | 01:53 |
| Bonzodog | I like to think that we have a definitive role to play in archiving/selecting useful forum material | 01:53 |
| KingBahamut | Andrew aka Azz | 01:53 |
| mdke | as I said, I accept your decision | 01:53 |
| KingBahamut | and many others attempt to motivate users to move data to the wiki | 01:53 |
| KingBahamut | many dont | 01:53 |
| mdke | however, I personally believe that wiki.ubuntu.com/forum would suffice for that | 01:53 |
| Bonzodog | most if not all of our material relates to the forums | 01:54 |
| KingBahamut | is that data to be lost because the OP | 01:54 |
| mdke | Bonzodog, no it doesn't, it relates to Ubuntu | 01:54 |
| KingBahamut | doesnt want to move it? | 01:54 |
| mdke | KingBahamut, which data would be lost? | 01:54 |
| KingBahamut | Stuff written by users who would never move data to the wiki | 01:54 |
| KingBahamut | or want to | 01:54 |
| mdke | that argument applies to both wikis | 01:55 |
| mdke | in both cases you need people to do the moving | 01:55 |
| Bonzodog | this is why i think we can move data between both | 01:55 |
| KingBahamut | most of the people who move data to the UDSF do it with the realization it will go elsewhere later | 01:55 |
| mdke | KingBahamut, e.g.? | 01:56 |
| KingBahamut | many of them just dont want to put the effort into | 01:56 |
| mdke | Bonzodog, that is why a section of the main wiki would work better, because it is the same markup | 01:56 |
| Bonzodog | and we ourselves are linking back to the wiki in some cases | 01:56 |
| KingBahamut | moving it elsewhere | 01:56 |
| mdke | or alternatively, another moin server | 01:56 |
| KingBahamut | or that the opinion that I get | 01:56 |
| KingBahamut | I think its desireability | 01:56 |
| KingBahamut | but I have no control over the user | 01:56 |
| KingBahamut | so | 01:56 |
| KingBahamut | It should be easily feasible to allow the move of such data | 01:57 |
| KingBahamut | Ill even assign 3 members | 01:57 |
| KingBahamut | to do it | 01:57 |
| KingBahamut | once the liscensing issues are corrected if you like | 01:57 |
| mdke | ok, well you asked for my opinion. I don't want to keep talking about it because I've spent a lot of hours doing that already. My opinion is, go ahead, do it, but i personally would use the section of the wiki dedicated to the forum directly, without a separate go between in a different markup | 01:57 |
| KingBahamut | aye capn | 01:57 |
| Bonzodog | the teams have to work together | 01:58 |
| mdke | yeah, I'm glad that we can at least do that | 01:58 |
| KingBahamut | like I say | 01:58 |
| KingBahamut | Ill devote half my team | 01:58 |
| KingBahamut | to move the data | 01:58 |
| KingBahamut | for you guys | 01:58 |
| KingBahamut | I dont have an issue with that, and it will happen like it or not | 01:58 |
| KingBahamut | one way or the other | 01:59 |
| Bonzodog | and sabdfl has a good point about us maybe coming together in some way | 01:59 |
| KingBahamut | you should benefit from it just as much as I do | 01:59 |
| Bonzodog | so we are all part of the same team | 01:59 |
| KingBahamut | I dont want a stigma to occur just because a user prefers one place over the other | 01:59 |
| KingBahamut | in where he puts it | 01:59 |
| mdke | the thing is | 02:00 |
| mdke | instead of having half a team doing one thing and half a team moving that over to another place, you'd save a lot of time working on one thing | 02:01 |
| mdke | why can't we just combine our efforts? | 02:01 |
| Bonzodog | I think in the end that will have to happen, we need to find an easier way of doing it | 02:02 |
| mdke | i don't think the user would mind :) He'd get a better end result | 02:02 |
| mdke | Bonzodog, ok, let's wait and see how it goes | 02:02 |
| Bonzodog | I personally like mediawiki as software | 02:02 |
| === Burglaptop cheers! | ||
| Bonzodog | it is a ver powerful bit of kit | 02:03 |
| mdke | yeah it's nice | 02:03 |
| mdke | don't encourage Burglaptop though, keep it quiet | 02:03 |
| Bonzodog | wikipedia haven't helped because their management of it has been poor | 02:03 |
| Bonzodog | even though they wrote it | 02:03 |
| mdke | Moin is great too :) | 02:04 |
| Burglaptop | ugh | 02:04 |
| mdke | lots of great stuff | 02:04 |
| Bonzodog | I have noticed some basic similarities between the two markups | 02:04 |
| Bonzodog | as i have a wiki login myself | 02:04 |
| Bonzodog | for the main wiki | 02:05 |
| mdke | yeah they are both easy to learn | 02:05 |
| Bonzodog | have you seen my wiki homepage? | 02:05 |
| mdke | nope | 02:05 |
| Burglaptop | Bonzodog: they are similiar enough that a automatic script can convert them | 02:05 |
| Bonzodog | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bonzodog | 02:05 |
| mdke | i see it | 02:06 |
| Burglaptop | mdke: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiflow | 02:36 |
| mdke | bookmarking, will read anon | 02:37 |
| Bonzodog | mdke; am talking to others about how define the UDSF | 02:43 |
| mdke | ok | 02:43 |
| Bonzodog | this is what we have come to | 02:43 |
| mdke | brainstorm it up on the wiki | 02:43 |
| Bonzodog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledgebase | 02:43 |
| Bonzodog | is a basic definition of what people in UDSF see themselves doing..porting info from the forums, not written by themselves, and creating a knowledgebase | 02:44 |
| mdke | all wikis are knowledgebases | 02:44 |
| mdke | including the main Ubuntu one, if you want it to be | 02:45 |
| Burglaptop | Bonzodog: you should talk to jbailey, he has a similar idea for LP | 02:45 |
| Bonzodog | Kassetra is defining it nicely | 02:50 |
| Bonzodog | i'm talking to her at the moment | 02:50 |
| mdke | make sure you work in writing somewhere | 02:50 |
| Bonzodog | but shes in one hell of a mood | 02:50 |
| Bonzodog | I will do. | 02:51 |
| Bonzodog | in fact.. | 02:51 |
| Bonzodog | hrm.. | 02:51 |
| Bonzodog | can i create an item on the official wiki about it? | 02:51 |
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| mdke | Bonzodog, you can create whatever you like in the wiki | 02:51 |
| mdke | especially this | 02:51 |
| Bonzodog | thank you | 02:51 |
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| Bonzodog | reight, I'm off to bed | 03:06 |
| Bonzodog | will be back on in morning | 03:06 |
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| Madpilot | hi all | 04:07 |
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| Madpilot | Burglaptop: how're you doing? | 05:07 |
| Burglaptop | Madpilot: better | 05:08 |
| Burglaptop | boss wants to come to work tomorrow for a few hours before I go out to the staff party | 05:08 |
| Burglaptop | told him that travel is what hurts, not being anywhere | 05:09 |
| Madpilot | ouch. | 05:09 |
| Madpilot | if you're still popping painkillers, the staff party might not be much fun either... | 05:09 |
| Burglaptop | I will speak to him tomorrow and hopefully he will understand | 05:09 |
| Burglaptop | the staff party will be a small affair at dinner | 05:10 |
| Burglaptop | nothing much | 05:10 |
| Madpilot | not a geekish boozefest? ;) | 05:10 |
| Burglaptop | nope | 05:10 |
| Burglaptop | all of our respective spouses will be there | 05:10 |
| Madpilot | how civilized | 05:11 |
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| Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSF <-- odd - but at least they're talking to the DocTeam now... | 05:15 |
| Burglaptop | Madpilot: yes, Bonzodog was in here previously | 05:30 |
| Burglaptop | Madpilot: there was a cool link I gave mdke earlier about workflow stuff that mediawiki was considering | 05:31 |
| Madpilot | the Wikiflow one? | 05:31 |
| Burglaptop | it was on meta.wikimedia.org | 05:32 |
| Madpilot | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiflow <-- this one, right? about editing & such | 05:32 |
| Burglaptop | yep | 05:33 |
| Burglaptop | that is pretty much exactly what we need | 05:33 |
| Madpilot | looks interesting | 05:34 |
| Burglaptop | if we a simple script and two wiki engines, we could do some of what that does right away | 05:35 |
| Burglaptop | simply create the doc on doc.u.c and then publish it to help.u.c | 05:35 |
| Madpilot | yikes - that means running three wikis at the same time... | 05:37 |
| Burglaptop | yes | 05:37 |
| Burglaptop | one for the the develoers, which we don't care about | 05:37 |
| Burglaptop | and two for us | 05:37 |
| Burglaptop | but the help wiki would be restricted editing | 05:38 |
| Burglaptop | only the people in the wiki group on LP would be able to edit the article | 05:38 |
| Madpilot | so wiki.u.c would just be the devel/community stuff | 05:38 |
| Burglaptop | yes | 05:38 |
| Burglaptop | laptop testing team, etc | 05:38 |
| Burglaptop | sadly moin is actually easier to do a rough hack, becasue of the mysql database that mediawiki has | 05:38 |
| Madpilot | well, fire an email off to the list, and restart the "what do we do with the wiki" debate again ;) | 05:39 |
| Burglaptop | but mediawiki allows you turn off editing to all articles but allow anon editing to talk pages | 05:39 |
| Burglaptop | with one simple switch | 05:39 |
| Burglaptop | to be clear, the article would still be able to be edited by admins | 05:40 |
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| jjesse | good morning, when someone has a chance could take a look at the new kubuntu/releasenotes i've uploaded and comment on them for me | 04:12 |
| jjesse | in trunk/kubuntu/releasenotes/C/releasenotes.xml | 04:12 |
| jjesse | it validates now | 04:12 |
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| k31th | yo | 05:47 |
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| jsgotangco | hey all | 06:18 |
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| jjesse | jsgotangco: if you have a second can you review kubuntu/releasenotes ? | 06:43 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, now? | 06:50 |
| jjesse | doesn't have to be now, but i'm uploaded a lot of changes for dapper | 06:50 |
| jjesse | so when you have some time | 06:50 |
| jjesse | still more changes will come, i have Riddell looking at them as well | 06:51 |
| jsgotangco | oh yeah, i saw the commit list | 06:51 |
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| jsgotangco | ok i gotta sleep | 06:52 |
| jsgotangco | later | 06:52 |
| jjesse | thanks have a good sleep | 06:52 |
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| mdke | aha | 09:01 |
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| mdke | highvoltage, i noticed that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingRecords is edubuntu specific, do you mind if I rename it? I'll fix the links | 09:01 |
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| highvoltage | mdke: sure | 09:05 |
| highvoltage | mdke: you can let go now :) | 09:05 |
| mdke | oh sorry | 09:06 |
| === mdke releases highvoltage | ||
| jjesse | fear the master of the wiki | 09:13 |
| Madpilot | hmm? | 09:14 |
| jjesse | mdke was named master of the wiki in the community council meeting :) | 09:14 |
| jjesse | just giving him a hard time for his bugging highvoltage | 09:14 |
| Madpilot | cool - I had to be at work during the last one... | 09:15 |
| === mdke grabs jjesse | ||
| jjesse | :) | 09:19 |
| === mdke hasn't let go yet | ||
| jjesse | no please let go, i want to leave work :) | 09:21 |
| theCore | mdke, as the master of the wiki, what are your new responsibilities ? | 09:21 |
| theCore | mdke, btw congrat:) ! | 09:21 |
| jjesse | was sabdfl being sarcastic or??? | 09:21 |
| === theCore is asking if he has misunderstood something :/ | ||
| theCore | s/asking/himself/ | 09:23 |
| theCore | i'm just confused n/m | 09:24 |
| theCore | so, what is the joke ? | 09:24 |
| jjesse | yesterday at the community council meeting mdke was talking about the license on the wiki and safdl menioned something about mdke being the master of the wiki | 09:25 |
| jjesse | i don't know exactly what it means, but was giving him a hard time yesterday | 09:25 |
| theCore | ah :) | 09:27 |
| === mdke hasn't let go yet | ||
| mdke | long night at work for you | 09:29 |
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| highvoltage | mdke: sorry, lost my connection there for a while | 09:34 |
| highvoltage | mdke: i looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingRecords, but it seems that it's already removed? | 09:34 |
| mdke | yeah i moved it | 09:34 |
| highvoltage | ok, np. | 09:35 |
| Madpilot | mdke: without a redirect? | 09:35 |
| mdke | yes | 09:35 |
| mdke | i fixed all the links on the wiki | 09:35 |
| mdke | hmm | 09:36 |
| mdke | problem with a redirect is that the point of moving the page was that that page remains available for non-specific meeting records | 09:36 |
| Madpilot | there is a web outside the Ubuntu wiki, you know ;) | 09:36 |
| mdke | i'm aware of that yeah | 09:36 |
| Madpilot | don't make it an auto-redirect, just have a link to the new Edubuntu page, or other meeting-record pages | 09:37 |
| mdke | Madpilot, google has nothing on that page... | 09:37 |
| mdke | but maybe you're right | 09:37 |
| Madpilot | anyway, need to go. see you all later. | 09:38 |
| mdke | cya | 09:38 |
| mdke | I'll redirect it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | 09:38 |
| mdke | how about that? | 09:38 |
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| Madpilot | sure | 09:39 |
| Madpilot | must go... | 09:39 |
| k31th | yo | 09:46 |
| k31th | long tme no speak | 09:46 |
| mdke | hello | 09:46 |
| k31th | i hope to do some doc work for ubuntu, if thats possible ? | 09:47 |
| mdke | you betcha | 09:47 |
| mdke | you know more or less how we work? | 09:47 |
| k31th | I have been using it mainly as a server and i will be using it more at work as soon as i take over in jan | 09:47 |
| mdke | ah cool | 09:47 |
| mdke | the serverguide needs plenty of love | 09:48 |
| k31th | then im stopping using centos and starting to use ubuntu | 09:48 |
| k31th | mdke: sweet | 09:48 |
| k31th | im not to sure how you guys work tbh im signed upto the mailing list tho | 09:48 |
| k31th | iv just had no time lately | 09:48 |
| mdke | ok cool | 09:48 |
| mdke | a good place to start is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamGettingStarted | 09:49 |
| k31th | when every thing calm down i can do some in my spare time at work between work :D | 09:49 |
| k31th | ahh nice ill have a read right after i decide how im going to backup all these remote boxes :D | 09:50 |
| k31th | i need to find a way of backing up MS Exchange Database with a OS backup utility :D | 09:51 |
| mdke | great | 09:51 |
| k31th | one thing i will do is write some thing for bacula in ubuntu atm it is not covered | 09:52 |
| k31th | as far as i know ? | 09:52 |
| mdke | what is that | 09:52 |
| k31th | its a OS backup util | 09:52 |
| mdke | aha | 09:52 |
| k31th | http://bacula.org | 09:53 |
| mdke | good candidate for a wiki page | 09:53 |
| k31th | mdke: wiki page would be pufect | 09:53 |
| k31th | purfect | 09:53 |
| mdke | ahhhh | 09:54 |
| mdke | k31th, you use dovecot? | 09:54 |
| k31th | i have used it | 09:54 |
| k31th | at work we are using some thing else. Iv used it set it up in ubuntu before | 09:55 |
| mdke | i've been struggling with it ;) | 09:55 |
| k31th | wat aspect of it ? | 09:55 |
| mdke | couldn't connect to the imaps server | 09:55 |
| mdke | just realised I had a stray sasl process blocking it | 09:56 |
| k31th | you check logs ? | 09:56 |
| k31th | ahh | 09:56 |
| mdke | the damn logs were totally empty | 09:56 |
| k31th | actually talking of imap | 09:56 |
| mdke | i was kinda wondering what the best imap server might be for Ubuntu | 09:56 |
| mdke | its the first time I've set up email | 09:56 |
| k31th | i tried conencting to our server at work the other day from home. and it just timed out ! thats using mozilla thunderbird as the client | 09:57 |
| mdke | brb just rebooting | 09:57 |
| k31th | mdke: ell iv used courier | 09:58 |
| k31th | well* | 09:58 |
| mdke | that is not in main on Ubuntu iirc | 10:00 |
| mdke | heard it's good tho | 10:06 |
| k31th | mdke: hang on | 10:08 |
| k31th | its univ i think? | 10:08 |
| mdke | yes | 10:08 |
| mdke | ok dovecot is working now anyhow :) | 10:08 |
| k31th | skills | 10:09 |
| k31th | im going to setup a mail server on this box when i have time! | 10:09 |
| k31th | mdke: not a backup guru by any chance are you ??? | 10:09 |
| mdke | nope | 10:10 |
| jjesse | i just got qemu working today so i'm running dapper in a virtual session :) | 10:12 |
| jjesse | so i can stay live on the daily builds :) | 10:12 |
| mdke | rock | 10:12 |
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| mdke | yus | 11:09 |
| manicka | yeah | 11:13 |
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