=== lambert [n=lambert@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:49] mdke: didn't you want to speak to rob1? [01:38] Burglaptop, for like the last 3 weeks :) [01:38] rob1, you alive? === Bonzodog [n=Bonzodog@unaffiliated/bonzodog] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke goes to bed [01:47] um [01:47] just before you go [01:47] hi [01:48] i never actually go to bed the first time anyway [01:48] how do you feel about the doc? [01:48] I'm going to write a mission statement on in [01:48] i hate the way you guys call it "the doc" [01:48] and about what it does, where we go [01:49] otherwise, I've posted my feelings all over the forum [01:49] it's easier than UDSF [01:49] i think it's a shame you guys don't use the Ubuntu wiki, but I accept your decision to keep it separate [01:49] well actually [01:49] UDSF has a cool Robotech like tone to it [01:49] just doesnt roll out of the mouth quite right [01:50] heh [01:50] well we feel that it serves a slightly different purpose than the wiki [01:50] regardless, mark asked for an assesment in the meeting [01:50] for the next meeting on it [01:50] from both sides [01:51] our's is more about pulling documentation off the forums - how-to's etc [01:51] all we want to do is prep them for you guys [01:51] and collecting this info in a central pool [01:51] so there is a definitive archive [01:51] that can't be the only purpose [01:52] think of it like - the main wiki is the 'notice board' [01:52] it isnt [01:52] because otherwise, it would make sense to use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum [01:52] given that wikimedia uses a different markup [01:52] there are other forms of data [01:52] and we are more the 'library' [01:52] that couldnt possibly fit an Official status [01:52] KingBahamut, the Ubuntu wiki is not "official" either, anyone can post to it [01:53] no I understand that [01:53] never questioned it [01:53] again the original concept of putting it up was to move all pertinent forum data [01:53] related to process in an organized fashion [01:53] I like to think that we have a definitive role to play in archiving/selecting useful forum material [01:53] Andrew aka Azz [01:53] as I said, I accept your decision [01:53] and many others attempt to motivate users to move data to the wiki [01:53] many dont [01:53] however, I personally believe that wiki.ubuntu.com/forum would suffice for that [01:54] most if not all of our material relates to the forums [01:54] is that data to be lost because the OP [01:54] Bonzodog, no it doesn't, it relates to Ubuntu [01:54] doesnt want to move it? [01:54] KingBahamut, which data would be lost? [01:54] Stuff written by users who would never move data to the wiki [01:54] or want to [01:55] that argument applies to both wikis [01:55] in both cases you need people to do the moving [01:55] this is why i think we can move data between both [01:55] most of the people who move data to the UDSF do it with the realization it will go elsewhere later [01:56] KingBahamut, e.g.? [01:56] many of them just dont want to put the effort into [01:56] Bonzodog, that is why a section of the main wiki would work better, because it is the same markup [01:56] and we ourselves are linking back to the wiki in some cases [01:56] moving it elsewhere [01:56] or alternatively, another moin server [01:56] or that the opinion that I get [01:56] I think its desireability [01:56] but I have no control over the user [01:56] so [01:57] It should be easily feasible to allow the move of such data [01:57] Ill even assign 3 members [01:57] to do it [01:57] once the liscensing issues are corrected if you like [01:57] ok, well you asked for my opinion. I don't want to keep talking about it because I've spent a lot of hours doing that already. My opinion is, go ahead, do it, but i personally would use the section of the wiki dedicated to the forum directly, without a separate go between in a different markup [01:57] aye capn [01:58] the teams have to work together [01:58] yeah, I'm glad that we can at least do that [01:58] like I say [01:58] Ill devote half my team [01:58] to move the data [01:58] for you guys [01:58] I dont have an issue with that, and it will happen like it or not [01:59] one way or the other [01:59] and sabdfl has a good point about us maybe coming together in some way [01:59] you should benefit from it just as much as I do [01:59] so we are all part of the same team [01:59] I dont want a stigma to occur just because a user prefers one place over the other [01:59] in where he puts it [02:00] the thing is [02:01] instead of having half a team doing one thing and half a team moving that over to another place, you'd save a lot of time working on one thing [02:01] why can't we just combine our efforts? [02:02] I think in the end that will have to happen, we need to find an easier way of doing it [02:02] i don't think the user would mind :) He'd get a better end result [02:02] Bonzodog, ok, let's wait and see how it goes [02:02] I personally like mediawiki as software === Burglaptop cheers! [02:03] it is a ver powerful bit of kit [02:03] yeah it's nice [02:03] don't encourage Burglaptop though, keep it quiet [02:03] wikipedia haven't helped because their management of it has been poor [02:03] even though they wrote it [02:04] Moin is great too :) [02:04] ugh [02:04] lots of great stuff [02:04] I have noticed some basic similarities between the two markups [02:04] as i have a wiki login myself [02:05] for the main wiki [02:05] yeah they are both easy to learn [02:05] have you seen my wiki homepage? [02:05] nope [02:05] Bonzodog: they are similiar enough that a automatic script can convert them [02:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bonzodog [02:06] i see it [02:36] mdke: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiflow [02:37] bookmarking, will read anon [02:43] mdke; am talking to others about how define the UDSF [02:43] ok [02:43] this is what we have come to [02:43] brainstorm it up on the wiki [02:43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledgebase [02:44] is a basic definition of what people in UDSF see themselves doing..porting info from the forums, not written by themselves, and creating a knowledgebase [02:44] all wikis are knowledgebases [02:45] including the main Ubuntu one, if you want it to be [02:45] Bonzodog: you should talk to jbailey, he has a similar idea for LP [02:50] Kassetra is defining it nicely [02:50] i'm talking to her at the moment [02:50] make sure you work in writing somewhere [02:50] but shes in one hell of a mood [02:51] I will do. [02:51] in fact.. [02:51] hrm.. [02:51] can i create an item on the official wiki about it? === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217da6aab.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:51] Bonzodog, you can create whatever you like in the wiki [02:51] especially this [02:51] thank you === lambert [n=lambert@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:06] reight, I'm off to bed [03:06] will be back on in morning === dsaa [i=dsa@210.213.87.102] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Bonzodog [n=Bonzodog@unaffiliated/bonzodog] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === dsaa [i=dsa@210.213.87.102] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [04:07] hi all === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217da6aab.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lambert [n=lambert@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [05:07] Burglaptop: how're you doing? [05:08] Madpilot: better [05:08] boss wants to come to work tomorrow for a few hours before I go out to the staff party [05:09] told him that travel is what hurts, not being anywhere [05:09] ouch. [05:09] if you're still popping painkillers, the staff party might not be much fun either... [05:09] I will speak to him tomorrow and hopefully he will understand [05:10] the staff party will be a small affair at dinner [05:10] nothing much [05:10] not a geekish boozefest? ;) [05:10] nope [05:10] all of our respective spouses will be there [05:11] how civilized === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp213-186.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSF <-- odd - but at least they're talking to the DocTeam now... [05:30] Madpilot: yes, Bonzodog was in here previously [05:31] Madpilot: there was a cool link I gave mdke earlier about workflow stuff that mediawiki was considering [05:31] the Wikiflow one? [05:32] it was on meta.wikimedia.org [05:32] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiflow <-- this one, right? about editing & such [05:33] yep [05:33] that is pretty much exactly what we need [05:34] looks interesting [05:35] if we a simple script and two wiki engines, we could do some of what that does right away [05:35] simply create the doc on doc.u.c and then publish it to help.u.c [05:37] yikes - that means running three wikis at the same time... [05:37] yes [05:37] one for the the develoers, which we don't care about [05:37] and two for us [05:38] but the help wiki would be restricted editing [05:38] only the people in the wiki group on LP would be able to edit the article [05:38] so wiki.u.c would just be the devel/community stuff [05:38] yes [05:38] laptop testing team, etc [05:38] sadly moin is actually easier to do a rough hack, becasue of the mysql database that mediawiki has [05:39] well, fire an email off to the list, and restart the "what do we do with the wiki" debate again ;) [05:39] but mediawiki allows you turn off editing to all articles but allow anon editing to talk pages [05:39] with one simple switch [05:40] to be clear, the article would still be able to be edited by admins === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp139-234.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === teroedni [n=teroedni@ti411310a080-1162.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:12] good morning, when someone has a chance could take a look at the new kubuntu/releasenotes i've uploaded and comment on them for me [04:12] in trunk/kubuntu/releasenotes/C/releasenotes.xml [04:12] it validates now === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-189-114.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === k31th [n=Kevin@flashtek-uk.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:47] yo === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.23.172.22] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:18] hey all === bshumate [n=bshumate@adsl-210-97-121.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:43] jsgotangco: if you have a second can you review kubuntu/releasenotes ? [06:50] jjesse, now? [06:50] doesn't have to be now, but i'm uploaded a lot of changes for dapper [06:50] so when you have some time [06:51] still more changes will come, i have Riddell looking at them as well [06:51] oh yeah, i saw the commit list === n1c0las [n=nicolas@nicolas.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@adsl-210-97-121.clt.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [06:52] ok i gotta sleep [06:52] later [06:52] thanks have a good sleep === asuramaki [n=akoyabas@adsl-210-97-121.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === k31th [n=Kevin@80.68.89.119] has joined #ubuntu-doc === MichaleR [n=mikeraz@eye.patch.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@206.114.48.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:01] aha === mdke grabs highvoltage [09:01] highvoltage, i noticed that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingRecords is edubuntu specific, do you mind if I rename it? I'll fix the links === theCore [n=theCore@Toronto-HSE-ppp3715721.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:05] mdke: sure [09:05] mdke: you can let go now :) [09:06] oh sorry === mdke releases highvoltage [09:13] fear the master of the wiki [09:14] hmm? [09:14] mdke was named master of the wiki in the community council meeting :) [09:14] just giving him a hard time for his bugging highvoltage [09:15] cool - I had to be at work during the last one... === mdke grabs jjesse [09:19] :) === mdke hasn't let go yet [09:21] no please let go, i want to leave work :) [09:21] mdke, as the master of the wiki, what are your new responsibilities ? [09:21] mdke, btw congrat:) ! [09:21] was sabdfl being sarcastic or??? === theCore is asking if he has misunderstood something :/ [09:23] s/asking/himself/ [09:24] i'm just confused n/m [09:24] so, what is the joke ? [09:25] yesterday at the community council meeting mdke was talking about the license on the wiki and safdl menioned something about mdke being the master of the wiki [09:25] i don't know exactly what it means, but was giving him a hard time yesterday [09:27] ah :) === mdke hasn't let go yet [09:29] long night at work for you === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:34] mdke: sorry, lost my connection there for a while [09:34] mdke: i looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingRecords, but it seems that it's already removed? [09:34] yeah i moved it [09:35] ok, np. [09:35] mdke: without a redirect? [09:35] yes [09:35] i fixed all the links on the wiki [09:36] hmm [09:36] problem with a redirect is that the point of moving the page was that that page remains available for non-specific meeting records [09:36] there is a web outside the Ubuntu wiki, you know ;) [09:36] i'm aware of that yeah [09:37] don't make it an auto-redirect, just have a link to the new Edubuntu page, or other meeting-record pages [09:37] Madpilot, google has nothing on that page... [09:37] but maybe you're right [09:38] anyway, need to go. see you all later. [09:38] cya [09:38] I'll redirect it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas [09:38] how about that? === asuramaki [n=akoyabas@adsl-210-97-121.clt.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [09:39] sure [09:39] must go... [09:46] yo [09:46] long tme no speak [09:46] hello [09:47] i hope to do some doc work for ubuntu, if thats possible ? [09:47] you betcha [09:47] you know more or less how we work? [09:47] I have been using it mainly as a server and i will be using it more at work as soon as i take over in jan [09:47] ah cool [09:48] the serverguide needs plenty of love [09:48] then im stopping using centos and starting to use ubuntu [09:48] mdke: sweet [09:48] im not to sure how you guys work tbh im signed upto the mailing list tho [09:48] iv just had no time lately [09:48] ok cool [09:49] a good place to start is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamGettingStarted [09:49] when every thing calm down i can do some in my spare time at work between work :D [09:50] ahh nice ill have a read right after i decide how im going to backup all these remote boxes :D [09:51] i need to find a way of backing up MS Exchange Database with a OS backup utility :D [09:51] great [09:52] one thing i will do is write some thing for bacula in ubuntu atm it is not covered [09:52] as far as i know ? [09:52] what is that [09:52] its a OS backup util [09:52] aha [09:53] http://bacula.org [09:53] good candidate for a wiki page [09:53] mdke: wiki page would be pufect [09:53] purfect [09:54] ahhhh [09:54] k31th, you use dovecot? [09:54] i have used it [09:55] at work we are using some thing else. Iv used it set it up in ubuntu before [09:55] i've been struggling with it ;) [09:55] wat aspect of it ? [09:55] couldn't connect to the imaps server [09:56] just realised I had a stray sasl process blocking it [09:56] you check logs ? [09:56] ahh [09:56] the damn logs were totally empty [09:56] actually talking of imap [09:56] i was kinda wondering what the best imap server might be for Ubuntu [09:56] its the first time I've set up email [09:57] i tried conencting to our server at work the other day from home. and it just timed out ! thats using mozilla thunderbird as the client [09:57] brb just rebooting [09:58] mdke: ell iv used courier [09:58] well* [10:00] that is not in main on Ubuntu iirc [10:06] heard it's good tho [10:08] mdke: hang on [10:08] its univ i think? [10:08] yes [10:08] ok dovecot is working now anyhow :) [10:09] skills [10:09] im going to setup a mail server on this box when i have time! [10:09] mdke: not a backup guru by any chance are you ??? [10:10] nope [10:12] i just got qemu working today so i'm running dapper in a virtual session :) [10:12] so i can stay live on the daily builds :) [10:12] rock === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217da6aab.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:26] Odd my dad just came in asked me if i was going out i said no, and he gave me a beer === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:09] anyone alive ? [11:09] yus [11:13] yeah === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === macgyver2 [n=eric@pdpc/supporter/student/macgyver2] has joined #ubuntu-doc