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[01:01] kjcole: I managed to checkout the cookbook [01:01] kjcole: is there any roadmap/ todo list? [01:02] Morning, Mr. Flint, Did you get that grant notification from Community of Science? [01:02] hi all [01:03] kjcole, did i mention how much it sucks to be old enough to be called Mr. Flint? BTW what grant notification? [01:03] Lucasvo, Not yet, but it sounds like a good idea. We're basically making a pass thru to eliminate unwanted stuff first then a second pass to figure out what to add. [01:03] sorry about missing last week, things have been hectic and I felt really ill etc [01:03] morning jane how you feel? [01:03] hi Mr. Flint [01:03] yeah, sorry for not putting up the notes yet ... [01:03] i lag a bit with my paperwork [01:04] Forth, that was harsh, try flint...morning ollie! [01:04] flint: much better today, but ready for a VAC! [01:04] Flint, I sent something your way last saturday or sunday: someone's offering money for "computers and software that will close the digital divide in education..." [01:05] JaneW, it is a balmy -3 F here in Montpelier, Vermont... [01:05] sucks2Bme, peak of summer holidays here and I still working [01:05] flint: luverly! [01:05] ok let's hit it? [01:05] Flint, brisk.. [01:05] kjcole, i will check, please send again... [01:05] yup === jelkner [n=jelkner@158.59.194.142] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:05] my update is quick today .... [01:06] most of my worktime was spent for http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2005-December/000927.html last week [01:06] but i started to work on the low memory spec (which includes the fix for powerpc installs to finally work) [01:06] flint, it's one of those things that only allows you to send form mail, so it may not look like it's from me, but trust it. Community of Science. [01:06] thats al from the tech side .... [01:06] And, g'morning JaneW. [01:06] kjcole, gotcha... [01:07] hi kjcole [01:07] kjcole: did we do documentation report yet? [01:07] ogra: so currently it still uses the same amount of ram as breezys ? [01:07] oli: wow that was quick === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:07] quick is good [01:07] jelkner, no. [01:07] Yagisan, yup [01:08] ogra: so still a tight fit on 64mb boxes [01:08] ooh I am lagging on the list mails we have a flight 2? [01:08] my next upload will include the change to drop the linux-restricted-modules package from the thin client [01:08] ogra: and LiveCD? [01:08] which will gain about 10-15 MB [01:08] JaneW, is fine [01:08] see the announceent :) === JaneW is trying to speed read [01:08] YAY [01:09] other then myself and ogra, has anyone tested multi-arch out ? === JaneW hugs ogra [01:09] you been stealthy ;) [01:09] well done ! [01:09] i was busy :) [01:09] mdz will be impressed (I hope) === lucasvo_ [n=lucasvo@www.wservices.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:09] Yagisan, i tested it several times ... but i'd like to enhance it for ppc on amd64/i386, any input welcome [01:10] ogra: I'm still think about using qemu for that === lucasvo_ is now known as lucasvo [01:10] ogra, damn...I expect to begin testing here and I will rely on this page from you. [01:11] flint, jelkner has alreaedy beaten you :) got my first bug reports ;) [01:11] ogra: first I'll fix my fstab issues, send patch, then investigate how to get that going. should qemu work [01:11] ogra: I'll need some people with real powerpc boxes to test the clients [01:11] i'm not sure, i have no quemu experience at all... i use real HW [01:11] ogra, ollie, elkner is a whiner, of course he would file the first bugs... [01:11] Yagisan: I have a iBook [01:11] flint, he didnt file ;) he reported live :) [01:12] ogra, thus proving my point :^) [01:12] heh [01:13] Yagisan, will a mac do as a power pc platform? [01:13] yup [01:13] it should [01:13] its the only thing i'll test here ... [01:13] first I need the unpack to go succesfully [01:13] unless someone donates me a netvista thin client :) [01:14] A lot of my stuff is still in storage, but I may have an angle here...Elkner what about Phil? [01:14] I had that partially working around the time of breezys release, but I haven't picked it up since then [01:14] Flint, Shapiro? Or another Phil? [01:15] the issue I had was that qemu would run simple stuff like ls, dmesg but it died on bash, and the install failed (amd64 host) [01:15] kjcole, yes indeed Phil Shapiro. He has truckloads of G3's and maybe a few G5's [01:17] yes he does [01:17] and i'm sure he would like to help [01:18] i only have about 12 minutes before students arrive, are we going to talk about docs? [01:18] for now the ltsp install on ppc is still borked ... so yu guys have some time until my next upload arrives ;) [01:18] i'm done as i said ... [01:19] are we done with tech stuff? [01:19] snap [01:19] :) [01:19] good progress [01:19] mostly CD testing ... it eats a lot of time ... [01:19] ogra: so is everything looking like smooth sailing to dapper? [01:19] Yagisan: you are interested in testing ppc clients? === FLeiXiuS [n=fleixius@67.62.254.201] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:19] JaneW, yup [01:19] ogra: excellent [01:19] ogra: and local devices, think there's a chance it will get sorted? [01:20] JaneW, and i even got granted the right to upload myself while mdz is away ;) [01:20] ogra: cool, sneak stuff through... ;) [01:20] I never said that! [01:20] lucasvo: yes - but I'm in Sydney [01:20] there is still a meeting pending... i'll have to wait for mdz, but i'll start testing [01:20] nod [01:20] ok documentation -> [01:20] Yagisan: ssh isn't enough? [01:20] sound is also awaiting his approval [01:21] JaneW, wait a minute i have to pick at a very important scab... [01:21] lucasvo: I'd need a loaner for some testing [01:21] flint: you are incorigable! [01:21] lucasvo: anyway - I'll let you know if/when I have something ready to test [01:21] (and I can't spell) [01:21] ogra, elkner says it will not be very dapper without local storage... [01:22] flint: but ducks only have a limited amount of local storage anyway ... [01:22] flint, the spec was always low/mid prio ... [01:22] i have to care for the high priority stuff first ... [01:23] and for the blocker bugs ... [01:23] flint: you were not available [01:24] ogra: priority 1 - does it start, priority 2 - no BSOD :) [01:24] limited is ok, but we *some* [01:24] flint, the other specs are likely to be implemented before edn of the year (at least locally) so i can spend the rest of my time on local devices ... [01:24] Yagisan, what is this a "flap" about storage? [01:25] ogra: great news! [01:25] but still n promises ... [01:25] that would be sweet ollie! i would love to help... [01:26] flint: what about the scab...? [01:26] flint is Gold Memeber! [01:26] that is the itch! [01:27] I would not want a duck with an itch... [01:27] on to the docs... [01:27] Meanwhile... Docs: We are getting more and more requests from folks wanting to help with the cookbook... which, while appreciated, I'm not sure we're ready for. One thing is that I think some are still thinking "wiki" while we're thinking "PDF" and "HTML". [01:28] besides, too many cooks spoil the cookbook [01:28] lucasvo asked a few minutes ago if we had a roadmap... I guess the tuxlab table of contents is the closest approximation of a roadmap, such as it is. [01:28] things work well with a small group of folks who can work closely together [01:29] the cookbook will be dapper-specific or will it include stuff from breezy? [01:29] but to maintain a consistent style and a well organized book, you really need just a few people [01:29] it will be dapper and + [01:29] ogra: we will need your help === Kmirno_AWAY is now known as Mirno [01:29] jelkner, for ? [01:30] we have what was a chapter (which we are making an appendix) which describes the boot process in low level detail [01:30] tech stuff ? [01:30] yup [01:30] it will be a great appendix [01:30] fine with me [01:30] the current version describes ltsp [01:30] I will make myself available for bad prose and puns.... [01:30] so we have a 20 page cookbook and a 100 page appendix ? [01:30] haha [01:30] and since edubuntu is different, kevin and i will need your help [01:30] :) [01:30] a list of who is working on what would be gooda as well. [01:30] and 300 pages of bug reports... [01:31] kevin said he would get in touch with you about that [01:31] the basics of the bootprocess are the same ... [01:31] ogra, We're now in chapter 6, and an appendix. The LTSP description in tuxLab goes into deep detail, which I gather, is wong. [01:31] you'll see when we send you the draft [01:31] a lot is different [01:31] jelkner, my bad. [01:31] yup, i'll check out bzr ... [01:31] actually, are there any diagrams? [01:31] no [01:31] we could use some [01:32] I love diagrams, elkner knows from his system descriptions how much I like diagrams. [01:33] step on is to get the current edited version of the appendix to ogra [01:33] (kjcole will do that) [01:33] jelkner: it makes sense to keep the group containable and functional then, if you can manage the load... [01:33] then after ogra fixes it, we can talk to flint about adding a diagram [01:33] diagrams are great, the more the better IMO [01:33] yup [01:33] makes it more interesting and accessable [01:33] JaneW: yes, jane [01:33] that is the only way to do it [01:34] ogra, expect that from me a bit later today. [01:34] yup [01:34] since it is free content, folks can make whatever changes they want after we have a go at it [01:35] i guess that's it for the book [01:35] I would like to have some list of who is doing what for the cookbook. [01:35] The face-to-face meetings really help. (As nice as IRC and gobby are, they're no substitute for simultaneously reading text aloud.) [01:36] Because I don't have a clue who is doing what. [01:36] kjcole: where do you live :D [01:36] luscasva: kevin and i are editing the first draft [01:36] that's about it [01:36] kjcole, elkner are skype-ing at this meeting. I highly recommend this communication channel to all... [01:36] lucasvo, > than 8h away from you [01:36] (with a plane ;) ) [01:36] skype doesn't work on my box [01:37] lucasvo, it took a lot of doing to get skype working under breezy... [01:37] lucasvo, just ignore flint. ;-) [01:38] complain at skype, its closed source stuff, we cant do much about it ... [01:38] yeah, thats why we should use gnome-meeting [01:38] yup [01:39] but that doesn't work on my machine, because I have blocked UDP [01:40] lucasvo, indeed, that is why stoom or gizmo might be a better fit. funcitonally it is really quite nice.. [01:42] lucasvo: are you trying to get involved in the book? [01:42] jelkner: yes [01:42] ok, here is what we should do: [01:43] lucasvo, essentially, we're going through the tuxLab Cookbook, in order. Much of it is well-written, and just has parts which need to be eliminated. And now we're finally getting into specific differences like the LTSP boot process, which need to be replaced. [01:43] kevin and i are meeting next on jan 7 (sunday [01:43] ) [01:43] could you join us remotely then? [01:43] 10 am EST [01:43] Eastern Standard (UTC - 5:00) [01:43] what a civilized hour to meet :^) [01:44] send us your email jeff@elkner.net [01:44] and we will get you the latest source before then === kjcole is kjcole@gri.gallaudet.edu [01:44] jelkner: 5 am in the morning? [01:44] well, we start then [01:44] and work until about 4 pm [01:44] lucasvo, I take it you are in "la bella italia"? [01:44] so you could join us later [01:44] luasvo: EST = UTC -5:00 [01:45] flint: no, switzerlad [01:45] lucasvo, So, 10:00 EST... You do the math for where you are. [01:45] lucasvo, a thousand pardons... [01:45] it is 4 in the morning for me [01:46] anyway, our next work session is jan 7 [01:46] we *start* at 4 [01:46] and work until 10 your time [01:46] kjcole, jelkner can i join in too? [01:46] lucasvo, 5:00 UTC is 6am in europe [01:46] what is the earliest you can jolin us? [01:46] Lucasvo: That can't be right... 10:00 EST should be 3:00 PM EST, if I'm not mistaken. === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:46] s /3:00 EST/ 3:00 UTC/ [01:46] lucasvo, these people are like dairy farmers and the documentation is like a milk cow :^) [01:47] Our next meeting is Jan 11 [01:47] irvin: send me an email: jeff@elkner.net [01:47] jelkner: should I join the team? [01:47] so i can plan with you how to get something going [01:47] jelkner: launchpad.com/people/lucasvo [01:47] sure [01:47] kevin set that up [01:47] i don't know concretely what it means yet [01:47] kevin? [01:48] s/jan 11/jan 7 [01:48] oops [01:48] jelkner, not a whole lot. ;-) It's currently just a list of interested parties. [01:48] JaneW, why dont we do one on jan 4th ? [01:49] ok, so folks can join it if they wish, but send me an email if you want to be included in the planning [01:49] thanks jelkner [01:50] ogra: you can, but I will be on leave (and camping, so not available at all) [01:50] Lucasvo, the only real difference is that I have to "approve" you, which is more like a way for me to be alerted when people add their names in the launchpad team. [01:50] there were several -fr people asking for a possibility to translate, since they are subscribed to the ML, could you CC the ml for planning ? [01:50] ok, that about does it [01:50] ogra: ok, another issue [01:51] not a good idea yet [01:51] kjcole, for instance lucasvo, kevin would never approve me... :^( [01:51] jelkner, launchpad, bzr, web space? [01:51] jelkner, why ? [01:51] they would be translating a *very* moving target [01:51] think how much work that would be [01:51] kjcole: I don't understand what you want to say [01:51] as early as possible i would think [01:51] kjcole, how is your experience with bzr? [01:52] jelkner, my prob is that they start to develop totally independent documentation that i cant ever check (my french sucks) [01:52] ogra: yes, but that is the only way that makes sense [01:52] so knowing they use our upstream source will give some safety about the correctnees of the content [01:52] the book is a global thing [01:52] lucasvo, regarding what? [01:53] 13:50 < kjcole> Lucasvo, the only real difference is that I have to "approve" you, which is more like a way for me to be alerted when people add their names in the launchpad team. [01:53] when editing chapter x, we find that a change in chapter x - 5 will help clarify things [01:53] so the whole book is constantly changing [01:53] if they start translating now [01:53] then they have to change it as well [01:53] they would have to do it all again each week [01:53] a *lot* of work [01:53] ogra, the only thing to rely on is the outline/TOC... and even that remains in flux [01:53] my concern is that they already do stuff and that some of it is really wrong ... [01:54] Lucasvo, you asked if you should "join the team". I've set up a team on Launchpad, but it is restricted so that I get e-mail when someone adds themselves to the team. Their membership waits until I approve it. [01:54] additionally they developed a broken liveCD and people come to us, asking about fixes for example ... [01:54] Lucasvo, Unless it's flint, I approve them. [01:54] i want coordination, as much as possible ... [01:55] kjcole: aha, yes [01:55] kjcole, power corrupts... [01:55] ogra: i can coordinate the english version of the book [01:55] i would encourgage translators to wait [01:55] jelkner, we need to coordinate beyond language borders, thats why i ask you to make the coordination public to all ... [01:55] unless you have enough of a team for an independent effort in another language [01:56] ogra: keep in mind, you can't write a book with dozens of contributors [01:56] ...thats why i ask to CC the mailing lis in your coordination discussions [01:56] it won't work [01:56] Ogra, most of what we're doing so far isn't very technical, and is general enough to still be right: "What is an Operating System?" "What is a Network" "Why is Open Source a 'good thing'?" [01:57] launchpad.net - not found... [01:57] it would be hugely helpful if we could get our work into bzr [01:57] then folks could just grab it and look at it [01:57] jelkner, i just want you to make it public, i didnt say "acceppt 100 contributors" [01:57] jelkner: what's the bzr kjcole has? [01:57] they should just know whats going on [01:57] it is on a local machine he set up [01:58] it would be much better to have it on launchpad [01:58] it will, if launchpad is ready [01:58] agian, we are stuck trying to learn to setup bzr, instead of focusing on writing the book [01:58] the bzr archive is fine ... [01:58] whats the prob ? [01:58] kevin, where is version control? [01:59] we can't commit [01:59] lucasvo, he meant launchpad, not bzr. [01:59] you dont commit on the server .... [01:59] sounds like guy thing... [01:59] ogra, he meant push. [01:59] you make a local branch and commit there ... [02:00] and i still would suggest to leave the merging in one hand ... dont do all pushes to one source ... [02:00] we have a big bzr understanding problem [02:00] can you reach launchpad? [02:00] have one guy managing the merges of the branches [02:00] how i work with mdz: [02:00] next week documentation time is about using bzr ok? jane back me up! [02:00] he has the master branch online .... [02:01] i pull it locally, make my changes and commit .... [02:01] flint: knock yourself out [02:01] ok all, i need to go [02:01] on your own [02:01] jelkner: I will contact you.. [02:01] then i push it up to my own server ... [02:01] kevin can you confirm that you have the master branch online [02:01] students arriving... [02:01] no meeting next week :P [02:01] jelkner: are you in the launchpad team? [02:01] and he does the merging [02:01] great [02:01] jelkner: bye [02:01] JaneW, yea I have done that before... [02:01] bye [02:01] the next meeting is in 3 weeks time, and an unofficial one in 2 weeks [02:01] ok then week after all about bzr... [02:01] JaneW: what time? [02:02] I am off for 2 weeks from friday WOOHOO [02:02] lucasvo, as usual [02:02] JaneW, we need meeting time about use of bzr to go forward. [02:02] ah, ok [02:02] first real leave since April 2004, cept for a long week end or 2 [02:02] flint, yes, but you can come to #edubuntu and we do it there ... informal ... [02:02] flint: you are welcome to have one anytime, even next week or the week after [02:03] flint, the master branch (root?) is on my machine. Launchpad points to it. However, it was intended to be there til moved to somewhere more official like Launchpad itself. (Ogra tells me the launchpad super-mirror isn't ready for prime-time yet.) [02:03] lucasvo: always the same time 12:00 UTC [02:03] fine we will be there during the meeting on Sunday... will you be fresh and rested? [02:03] JaneW: ok, even if it is unofficial [02:03] sunday [02:03] lucasvo: well I won;t be here, I guess those that are around will meet the normal time? [02:03] ah, ok [02:04] I can't reach launchpad [02:04] flint, one reason push/merge/whatever doesn't fly yet is because I didn't want to open up my little machine for "write access". But pull works... [02:04] I seriously need some afk time and will even shut*my*laptop*down *gaspe*! [02:04] ogra, you likely need to teach kevin and kevin can then torture me with his superior knowledge... [02:04] just leave the schedule on the fridge :) [02:04] it is on the fridge [02:04] flint, in short its working how i described above ... [02:04] JaneW: you turn off you laptop ????? [02:05] Yagisan: no but on Friday I am going to [02:05] flint, everybody puts his branch online and doe his commits there... one merge master reviews and merges the work of the others in the main branch [02:05] we'll how see how long I last before turning it on again ;) [02:05] flint, no magic involved [02:06] ogra, lemme attack this issue. I see a problem to work on. [02:06] lucasvo, I'm thinking you've got network problems: First the bzr branch giving you troubles now launchpad.net... [02:06] elkner ment Sunday January 8th note the date!!! [02:06] kjcole: atm I am in school with completely other net [02:07] ah, maybe it is because I don't have https proxy [02:07] lucasvo, well that blows that theory. Wrong me. [02:07] flint, if the supermirror exists, you'll have your branch attached to your account on launchpad and the merge master will be able to merge stuff *on* launchpad [02:07] ok time is def up, let's move to #edubuntu? [02:07] ah goood [02:07] JaneW: I've always wondered what that button next to reset does ... === ogra moves to #edbuntu [02:07] kjcole: bzr was some python problem, now it is an issue of proxy [02:08] janew i move we move to breakfast. see you on #edubuntu... === kjcole moves to edubuntu === Mirno [n=mirspcm@office.spcmnet.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-9-151-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [02:10] hm, I can't join the team, kjcole === flint [n=flint@69-164-122-221.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === lucasvo [n=lucasvo@www.wservices.ch] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === lucasvo [n=lucasvo@www.wservices.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Forth [n=forth@i03v-195-36-149-108.d4.club-internet.fr] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["hopla"] === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lucasvo__ [n=lucasvo@www.wservices.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089ED02.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-148-187.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Pazzo [n=Pazzo@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@p54A6524C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:lucasvo] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 21 Dec 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 21 Dec 19:00 UTC: Accessibility Team | 22 Dec 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 30 Dec 22:00 UTC: DocTeam === dous [i=[U2FsdGV@219.90.68.219] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dous [i=[U2FsdGV@219.90.68.219] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jgrieves [n=jgrieves@ip70-161-178-176.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lguerra [n=lguerra@200.21.93.196] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089E533.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@p54A6524C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === thoreauputic [n=prospero@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === thoreauputic [n=prospero@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === siretart [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dieman [n=dieman@12.47.34.242] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === \sh [n=nnsherma@80.237.233.3] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Nafallo_away [n=nnnafall@80.237.233.3] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === linbetwin [i=linbetwi@85.186.214.190] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:25] Hello, everyone! === ajmitch [i=ajmitch@203.89.178.198] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lucasvo [n=lucasvo@www.wservices.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Ju` [n=Ju@AAubervilliers-153-1-37-182.w83-200.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lguerra [n=lguerra@200.21.93.196] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Abandonando"] === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:59] Hey all. [07:59] hellas! [08:00] I suppose we'll wait a bit for the others to arrive. :-) [08:00] Yeah. === kjcole is Kevin Cole [08:01] Hi. ;-) === TheMuso checks email while he waits. It is much easier getting up early for something like this. === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089F92C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:02] Hi ogra. [08:03] hello all! === hno73 [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:04] hey linbetwin, hno73 [08:04] hno73: Just read and replied to your email, thanks [08:04] hey dholbach [08:05] hello, dholbach! [08:06] hi all [08:06] what meeting is that? [08:06] ah , ally [08:06] cool === sivang is having hard time following the meetings with busy dayjob schedule, sorry [08:07] a11y 00ps ;-) (If you didn't get it, never mind.) [08:08] i always wondered why a11y for accessibility [08:08] sivang, I know the feeling. I just told someone I was attending a meeting but wasn't sure which one. Just that my alarm said "go". ;-) [08:09] kjcole: hehe, I need that alarm as well [08:09] linbetwin: ay [08:09] Ok, so I think everybody is here... [08:09] dholbach: thanks === dholbach searches the Agenda on the wiki [08:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda [08:11] Looks like there aren't much in need of deciding, but some good work has been done since last meeting [08:11] jgrieves: do you want to start with your items on the agenda? [08:11] yeah, and i was impressed with the amount of people signing up on the mailing list [08:11] Cool! [08:11] we're more and more taking off :-) === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:12] maybe henrik better starts with his items, while we're waiting for jason - does that make sense? [08:13] yeah, I might have leave early as well [08:13] Did anyone look at the testing plans? === dholbach is honest and has a look *now* :) === TheMuso skimmed them. [08:14] We've ended up slitting it up into very simple tests and then more in-depth reviews [08:14] Not so much the tests them selves, but this way of doing it [08:14] i'd move the legend (explaining v1-v7) above the table [08:15] dholbach: I agree. [08:15] i meant v1-v3, m1-m3 [08:16]