[12:06] <ogra> i just got my yearly bonus ... tugether with my saved money it will be enough for a fat 12" ibook ... or a small 12" powerbook, not sure yet 
[12:06] <ogra> but 6h battery power are soo cool :)
[12:06] <lucasvo> small 12"  is better
[12:07] <ogra> just for the metal case ? 
[12:07] <lucasvo> I had an ibook 12" and the battery really is amazing 
[12:07] <lucasvo> not only 
[12:07] <ogra> nvidia is odd ...
[12:07] <ogra> i dint really need 200Mhz more ...
[12:07] <lucasvo> I think ibook doen't has pcmcia, pb does
[12:07] <ogra> hmm, thats an argument
[12:08] <ogra> but the only one so far ...
[12:08] <lucasvo> and a reasonable
[12:08] <lucasvo> since airport isn't supported by linux
[12:08] <ogra> being not able to use sleep because of nvidia is a counter argument
[12:09] <mhz_shower> ogra: ibook are even harder to open
[12:09] <ogra> there are nice usb wlan cards 
[12:09] <lucasvo> you don't need the nv module, do you?
[12:09] <lucasvo> wait for Intel :D
[12:09] <ogra> i use the nv module on my amd64 lappie ...
[12:09] <ogra> but that doesnt matter 
[12:09] <ogra> sleep doesnt work with either of the modules
[12:10] <lucasvo> why not?
[12:10] <mhz_shower> ogra: last time i tried to open an ibook, almost broke the plastic stuff
[12:10] <ogra> the spec isnt open enough to make the HW work
[12:10] <ogra> you cant access the right registers if you dont know the addresses
[12:11] <ogra> so sleep will never work with nvidia no matter which module you use
[12:11] <mhz_shower> ogra: pbook also have this super keyboard that lights based on how dark your room is
[12:11] <ogra> but i know it works with ati cards
[12:11] <ogra> yes, but thats all eye candy only ...
[12:12] <ogra> pcmcia *is* a pro argument ... but the only one i could find so far
[12:12] <mhz_shower> breaking the plastic is no eye candy to me :)
[12:12] <ogra> why should i break it... if i own and use it, i'll know how to use it right to not break ir
[12:12] <ogra> *it
[12:12] <mhz_shower> ibook is heavier than pbook
[12:13] <ogra> minimally
[12:13] <ogra> (my current one weights 4.5kg, everything is like feathers compared to this)
[12:13] <mhz_shower> ogra: my ex ibook was happily living with me. One day I wanted to open the case to replace a part... oops, i didnt dare
[12:14] <ogra> ah, k screwdriver involved :)
[12:14] <mhz_shower> then, when i had the pbook, it all was simple
[12:14] <lucasvo> mhz_shower: how is libretto linux support?
[12:15] <mhz_shower> lucasvo: i have not tried one yet :(   but I have heard it is decent
[12:16] <ogra> \sh_away has a r200 from canonicals laptop testing stock ... 
[12:16] <lucasvo> http://www.linux-magazin.de/Artikel/ausgabe/1999/03/Libretto/libretto.html
[12:16] <ogra> its hard to install (no cdrom) but one of the coolest lappies i know
[12:16] <lucasvo> what is the brand/
[12:16] <ogra> toshiba libretto
[12:16] <mhz_shower> ogra: this fujitsu had no cd rom either, and came with Xp :(
[12:17] <lucasvo> http://www.qandr.org/quentin/writings/libretto/
[12:17] <ogra> but 3500 are to much for a laptop 
[12:17] <mhz_shower> but your LTSP gave me good setting to use Netinstall
[12:17] <lucasvo> mhz_shower: isn't there a dock with CD-Rom?
[12:17] <ogra> even if its really light and cool
[12:17] <mhz_shower> lucasvo: for which ?
[12:17] <ogra> the r200 is about 800g
[12:17] <mhz_shower> me wants that!
[12:18] <ogra> i also had a look at the dell X1 ....
[12:18] <ogra> even cooler ...
[12:18] <ogra> 10" widescreen 
[12:18] <ogra> but 1280x800
[12:18] <mhz_shower> but?
[12:18] <mhz_shower> is that a but?
[12:18] <ogra> 2000
[12:19] <ogra> thats the only but
[12:19] <ogra> my magic border fro laptops is at 1500, i'll never pay more for a lappie
[12:20] <lucasvo> http://www.holme.com/toshiba-libretto-u100-mini-notebook.htm < cool
[12:20] <ogra> i had to many odd experiences with second hand ones ...
[12:20] <mhz> me too
[12:21] <ogra> oh, i just see, the r200 is a protege, no libretto
[12:21] <ogra> http://www.holme.com/toshiba-portege-r200-notebook.htm
[12:21] <mhz> but after I got robbed 2 laptops... 
[12:22] <ogra> hmm, and its 400g heavier than i was told
[12:22] <mhz> ogra: arkan0x has a portege, BTW
[12:22] <ogra> a r200 ?
[12:22] <arkan0x> 3490ct
[12:23] <mhz> ogra: how about sharp?
[12:23] <ogra> nothing beats 6h battery power yet 
[12:23] <ogra> and i need a powerpc for edubuntu testing
[12:24] <lucasvo> ogra: I can lend you one
[12:24] <ogra> so it will most likely become a ibook or a pbook
[12:24] <lucasvo> ogra: an iBook 12"
[12:24] <ogra> nah, i'll buy one, rather keep it and help testing :)
[12:24] <mhz> ogra: i'd be very happy with this one http://emperorlinux.com/mfgr/sharp/meteor/
[12:24] <lucasvo> ogra: or you can buy an old G4 PowerMac for 600.- CHF
[12:25] <lucasvo> ogra: were quite good
[12:25] <ogra> lucasvo, i can buy a iMac for 160
[12:25] <ogra> enough for testing
[12:25] <lucasvo> ogra: our school just bought G5 powermac's
[12:25] <ogra> nice :)
[12:25] <lucasvo> ogra: you really really only need it for testing?
[12:25] <lucasvo> my school has too much $$$$ 
[12:26] <ogra> nope, i'm travellin a lot since i work for canonical ... i need a laptop with as long battery power as i can get 
[12:26] <ogra> i always envy the people around me if my battery is out after 2h
[12:27] <ogra> but amd64 is simply no laptop processor :)
[12:27] <lucasvo> mhz: working on the doc team?
[12:27] <mhz> tried to
[12:27] <mhz> my xml sucks
[12:27] <lucasvo> mhz: just rember <img /> and not <img>
[12:27] <lucasvo> :D
[12:27] <lucasvo> it is normal html
[12:27] <mhz> my xml sucks
[12:27] <mhz> hehhe, thx
[12:28] <lucasvo> and <br> is wrong
[12:28] <lucasvo> it should mean <br />
[12:28] <mhz> my only skills for docing is moin
[12:28] <mhz> lucasvo: in moin, [[BR] ]  is enough
[12:28] <lucasvo> :D
[12:29] <lucasvo> one could export it to moin
[12:29] <lucasvo> but moin is not good tor LaTex export
[12:29] <mhz> lucasvo: there are ways
[12:29] <mhz> yup, probably u r right
[12:39] <lucasvo> ogra: why do you travel a lot?
[12:39] <lucasvo> ogra: where do you go?
[12:40] <ogra> in the last 12 months i was in mataro (near barcelona), sydney, london, bergen (.no) and montreal ... and additionally at a lot different places in germany ...
[12:41] <ogra> in januray/february we'll meet in london again and inbetween i have to attend some conferences in germany
[12:42] <ogra> sydney was the worst ... i'm a stron smoker and 27h flight are really hard :)
[12:42] <ogra> (with a stop in singapore after 18h)
[12:44] <ogra> and i suspect i'll travel a lot more, edubuntu needs promotion and i'm the guy who knows most about it
[12:45] <ogra> aslo mark has a lot of requests for collaboration with other edu projects where i'll hve to attend meetings next year  i guess
[12:45] <ogra> so my travelling time over the year will rise ...
[12:45] <tclong> Greetings from Arkansas in the US!
[12:46] <ogra> heh
[12:46] <ogra> germany indeed
[12:46] <tclong> It sounds like you stay busy, ogra
[12:46] <ogra> i am :)
[12:47] <ogra> but currently i'll have to develop the next edubuntu first, then promotion will start :)
[12:48] <lucasvo> ogra: stop smoking, then you don't have problems with flying anymore :D
[12:48] <tclong> I installed ubuntu on my laptop last week and I've been very impressed with it. Now I'm trying to install edubuntu on my son's (6yo) computer.
[12:49] <ogra> yes, but then i'll get an angry guy :)
[12:49] <lucasvo> ogra: why?
[12:49] <ogra> tclong, make sure to read the wikipage mentionedin the topic :)
[12:49] <lucasvo> ogra: smoking isn't relaxing
[12:49] <lucasvo> tclong: for e.g. you may not want to install ltsp, so use workstation as a boot option
[12:50] <ogra> lucasvo, right... dont start it, if you havent ...
[12:51] <lucasvo> ogra: and if you started, stop
[12:51] <ogra> thats the hard part ...
[12:51] <ogra> ...and you need to really wnat it ...
[12:51] <ogra> *want
[12:51] <lucasvo> ogra: mark should send you to some freakin village in india where the next store is 100km away...
[12:52] <ogra> i'd find a way :)
[12:52] <lucasvo> ogra: no, because you don't want to?
[12:52] <lucasvo> ogra: ever tried to stop?
[12:52] <ogra> nope ... because i know i'd fail ... because i dont really want to ...
[12:52] <lucasvo> my grandparents were upset because since last week it is prohibited to smoke in trains
[12:53] <lucasvo> ogra: imagine what pc you could buy whith the money spent on cigarettes
[12:53] <ogra> thats odd ... in germany we have at least half a wagon left for smokers ...
[12:53] <ogra> i could be rich :) i know 
[12:53] <lucasvo> you should try !
[12:54] <ogra> i probably will ... one day ...
[12:54] <tclong> thnx ogra!
[12:54] <ogra> no, i think i *must* one day ... but thats not yet ...
[12:54] <lucasvo> haha
[12:54] <lucasvo> like in 01/01/06 ? 
[12:55] <ogra> nope
[12:55] <ogra> never ever will you see mee making such statements ...
[12:55] <lucasvo> good
[12:55] <lucasvo> but still you should stop
[12:56] <ogra> yup...
[12:56] <ogra> i'm surel my health will force me once ...
[12:56] <lucasvo> be a man, be powerful, stop smoking! ;-)
[12:56] <ogra> i stopped worse stuff in my life to prove how powerful i am, but that doesnt belong into this channel ;)
[12:57] <lucasvo> you don't have to prove, you have to be
[12:57] <ogra> lucasvo, you wont convince me ... 
[12:57] <lucasvo> ogra: I won't die of lung cancer
[12:57] <ogra> thats something only my inner voiceeeeeeeeeeeecan ...
[12:57] <ogra> oops
[12:58] <lucasvo> maybe ^^ this was your inner voice :D
[12:59] <lucasvo> ogra: feel free to take me a long to your edubuntu world promotion tour ... 
[12:59] <ogra> hehe, i doubt it will be a world tour
[12:59] <lucasvo> maybe asia or africa would be interesting :D
[01:00] <ogra> but if all goes fine i'll be in bruxelles for fosdem ...
[01:00] <ogra> i have no plans beyond that yet ... mark forwarded me some invitations for german events ...
[01:01] <ogra> the worls tour stuff is done by jdub and mark ... edubuntu inst as popular as ubuntu :)
[01:01] <ogra> s/inst/isnt
[01:02] <tclong> you could send me to Ireland, Italy and Australia. I wouldn't argue. My wife wouldn't be very happy about it, unless she and the kids could come too. ;)
[01:03] <ogra> i thought the same when i started working for canonical ... but travelling more than every 2 monts makes you tired of travelling...
[01:06] <tclong> that's why they should bring more people on board at canonical (I'm job hunting, by the way ;) so that the traveling and publicizing could be delegated out more and there could be a better balance between travel/promotion and development. eh?
[01:07] <ogra> heh, yes ...
[01:07] <ogra> but its nice to see your colleagues from time to time
[01:07] <ogra> tclong, we're looking for a QA specialist
[01:08] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/employment/document_view
[01:10] <tclong>  I don't think that I would qualify experience wise, though I am trainable and like solving technical issues.
[01:12] <tclong> But I'll keep checking back
[01:13] <tclong> I guess I have had some QA experience as a network administrator, but nothing formal.
[01:14] <ogra> trying to apply wont do any harm i guess ;) 
[01:15] <tclong> tis true
[01:15] <tclong> my wife says that too. heh!
[02:19] <Lord_Athur> hi there
[02:40] <Lord_Athur> de ubuntu a edubuntu
[03:17] <tclong> edubuntu loaded and resume/references submitted to hr. WOO-HOO!
[03:24] <tclong> now to get wireless working in edubuntu
[03:25] <Lord_Athur> bye
[03:29] <tclong> adiosarino
[01:53] <Yagisan> evening all
[01:55] <irvin> evening
[02:05] <Yagisan> last nights ltsp based dvd ripping cluster experiment was successful :)
[02:06] <Yagisan> you need thin clients with at least 96MB of ram, and l-r-m uninstalled
[02:08] <Yagisan> a p2 300MHz will do about 1.5fps, duron 850MHz about 6fps, and an amd64 (64bit mode) 2000MHz about 19fps
[02:10] <Yagisan> if I find a power supply I can add a k6/2 300MHz to the clients.
[02:12] <Yagisan> ogra: my patch suck ? http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21370
[02:13] <ogra> who said that ?
[02:14] <Yagisan> ogra: I was wondering if you checked it, just wanted to know if you liked it, or thought it was crap.
[02:14] <ogra> it could be more elegant, but its a start :)
[02:15] <Yagisan> ogra: I'd have rather made it use a config file, but I can't access outside of the chroot
[02:15] <ogra> so use it inside the chroot ;)
[02:15] <Yagisan> ogra: and I didn't check to see if /etc is overwritten inside the chroot
[02:16] <ogra> it isnt
[02:17] <Yagisan> ogra: OK. I'll change it to source a ltsp-fstab file from /etc in the chroot a bit later tonight
[02:18] <Yagisan> ogra: I noticed some irony on some of my bug reports with patches on malone today
[02:20] <Yagisan> ogra: I'm a member of MOTUmedia, and I sent the patches, they been assigned to, yep MOTUmedia. It was mildly amusing to me.
[02:20] <ogra> heh
[02:22] <Yagisan> ogra: did you want me to write up my notes for the dvd ripping cluster. It might be useful for getting local apps working
[02:22] <Yagisan> ogra: as I run transcode locally on the nodes
[02:23] <ogra> sure, why not :)
[02:23] <Yagisan> ogra: was there a spec for local apps ?
[02:23] <ogra> nope
[02:23] <ogra> not in focus for this release
[02:24] <Yagisan> excellent, then I'm not just incapable of finding one.
[03:03] <Yagisan> odd question, but can I boot memtest86 over the network ?
[03:26] <Yagisan> ok. I can take the silence as nobody tried booting memtest86 over the network.
[03:28] <ogra> might or might not work :)
[03:39] <Lord_Athur> hi
[03:40] <Yagisan> G'day Lord_Athur
[03:40] <Yagisan> ogra: can I dcc you a tiny debdiff to look at ?
[03:40] <Lord_Athur> hi Yagisan 
[03:40] <ogra> if it gets through ...
[03:40] <Lord_Athur> ogra, I recived the mail of the woman that sees the resquest of CDs
[03:41] <jsgotangco> g'day all
[03:41] <Lord_Athur> and she told me that edubuntu is not giving CDs now
[03:41] <ogra> Lord_Athur, JaneW is here
[03:41] <Yagisan> ogra: is that more elegant ?
[03:41] <ogra> Yagisan, after the meeting ...
[03:41] <Lord_Athur> who is JaneW?
[03:41] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[03:41] <Lord_Athur> JaneW, hi
[03:41] <Lord_Athur> I'm Alejandro Len Vega
[03:42] <Yagisan> Sorry ogra, didn't now a meeting was on
[03:42] <Yagisan> s/now/know
[03:42] <JaneW> Hi Alejandro, was amuricio able to help you?
[03:42] <Lord_Athur> yes
[03:42] <Lord_Athur> he was
[03:42] <JaneW> great :)
[03:42] <Lord_Athur> :D
[03:42] <Yagisan> jsgotangco, what's up ?
[03:42] <guim> Hi Mauricio, JaneW and others! 
[03:43] <guim>  i am following with lots interest the last dscussion in mailing list
[03:43] <Yagisan> mhz: feeling better today ?
[03:44] <mhz> not really.. I have just realized Tour won't be possible unless I get a job (normal under salary basis job)
[03:44] <mhz> so, i am organizing agenda to go and ask for a job, Yagisan 
[03:45] <mhz> at least until March-April
[03:45] <mhz> (the time Edubuntu Tour should start)
[03:45] <mhz> guim: hi
[03:45] <guim> :)
[03:45] <Yagisan> mhz: Good luck. I need to whip myself to find some more customers. I haven't had many recently :(
[03:46] <mhz> Yagisan: I'll be off for about 6 to 7 hours, today.
[03:46] <guim> we are soon going to look for someone... in Belgium !
[03:46] <mhz> Yagisan: good luck to you too
[03:46] <mhz> guim: good! I live in Chile :)
[03:46] <guim> yes.. I knew ;-)
[03:47] <guim> don't want to spend some days here ? ;-)
[03:47] <Yagisan> mhz: thanks. I think I'll need to do some pc repair work to tide me over christmas.
[03:47] <Yagisan> quick poll: anyone other then me working on christmas ?
[03:47] <mhz> Sure, but about 90% of my savings have been 'saved' for Edubuntu Chilean Tour, so I can't just afford to go there, guim ;)
[03:47] <mhz> Yagisan: me
[03:48] <guim> yes, sure
[03:49] <Yagisan> wow, two more then I expected
[03:49] <mhz> Yagisan: me.. well, not sure yet, but surely, I'll spend some hours in IRC
[03:49] <guim> Yagisan : I will have 2 weeks off now ... sorry ;-)
[03:49] <Yagisan> catch you later mhz
[03:51] <Yagisan> guim: I don't think I'll get any holidays before 2007~2008 at the earliest (well, not without scoring a massive contract anyway)
[03:51] <guim> ...
[03:52] <guim> where do you work? url?
[03:53] <Yagisan> guim: I'm self employed. I have a mockup of the general design of my site here www.eyagiconsulting.com
[03:53] <guim> ok
[03:53] <guim> i take a quick look
[03:53] <Yagisan> guim: a real website *should* be up an running soon
[03:53] <guim> ok :)
[03:54] <Yagisan> guim: once I find something I'm happy with, and that IE users can use
[03:54] <Yagisan> guim: In a nutshell, I'm a security specalist
[03:54] <guim> ok
[03:54] <Yagisan> guim: which is why I have an ugly site with no scripting at all ;)
[03:55] <guim> :)
[03:55] <guim> did you test somes CMS?
[03:55] <guim> did'nt like any?
[03:55] <Yagisan> guim: going through them. I've decided to not use an wiki like stuff though
[03:56] <Yagisan> s/to not/not to
[03:56] <Yagisan> s/an/any
[03:57] <Yagisan> guim: you use edubuntu ?
[03:57] <guim> no, just ubuntu for now
[03:57] <guim> i work in a belgian researcher center,
[03:57] <guim> and suggested to integrate Claroline in edubuntu
[03:58] <guim> but we have .deb package yet :-( 
[03:58] <guim> Yagisan,  I've decided to not use an wiki like stuff though <-- I though about things like joomla! or others
[03:58] <Yagisan> ok. I try to get ltsp to do funky things here.
[03:59] <Yagisan> guim: my first preference is for something I can 'sudo aptitude install'
[04:00] <Yagisan> guim: failing that, something I can package myself
[04:01] <guim> you are used to package applications?
[04:01] <jsgotangco> JaneW, did you see the latest email to edubuntu-devel? now THAT's a signature
[04:02] <JaneW> jsgotangco: huh? from who?
[04:02] <Yagisan> guim: some things. I maintain unoffical packages here http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/doomsday.en.html
[04:03] <jsgotangco> JaneW, oh crap sorry it was for -doc
[04:03] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:03] <Yagisan> guim: I consider myself a newbie at it
[04:03] <guim> ok
[04:04] <Yagisan> guim: If you have packaging issues, I can probably help you with most problems.
[04:05] <guim> I sent a mail on the edubuntu-devel ML today
[04:05] <guim> we have our PHP/Mysql based LMS
[04:05] <guim> for which I would like to have the .deb package
[04:05] <guim> okay
[04:05] <guim> for claroline (http://www.claroline.net)
[04:06] <guim> as said in the mail, i started the job some months ago, but i habe nver done that, and don't have much time to do it
[04:06] <Yagisan> guim: is that like moodle ?
[04:06] <guim> yes, very close
[04:07] <guim> that was actuall ythe discussion in the mail
[04:07] <guim> edubuntu has moodle, but claroline would be nice too ;-)
[04:07] <Yagisan> guim: It might be a good idea to 'apt-get source moodle' and see how that was packaged
[04:07] <guim> that is what i did
[04:07] <ogra> nooo
[04:07] <ogra> moodel is very badly packaged ...
[04:08] <Yagisan> heh - that got his attention
[04:08] <guim> but the moodle package is very very "poor" in a sense that it doesn't really install
[04:08] <ogra> thats why we dont have it on the CD :)
[04:08] <ogra> huh ? 
[04:08] <ogra> it did during my testing for breezy
[04:08] <guim> ogra, the moodle package just send the user to the url ton coninute the web install
[04:08] <guim> right?
[04:08] <ogra> for the local setup, yes
[04:09] <ogra> nearly all php based CMS packages do that
[04:09] <guim> php/mysql application done with a web installer are not easy to change into .deb installer
[04:09] <guim> yes
[04:09] <guim> so do we...
[04:09] <Yagisan> guim: ok, anyway look at how moodle is packaged. See that. That is apparently an example of how not to do it ;)
[04:09] <guim> ;)
[04:11] <guim> it could at least be a good start anyway
[04:11] <guim> to do at least what they do
[04:11] <ogra> but omit the wwwconfig-common stuff for DB setup or you will suffer that same desiaes moodle suffers :) 
[04:12] <guim> thanks for the tips
[04:12] <guim> is there actually any good php/mysql application that is also well packaged for debian? that would be a reference
[04:13] <ogra> probably drupal, havent looked at it yet ...
[04:13] <guim> mmm
[04:13] <Yagisan> ajmitch might know
[04:13] <ogra> mediawiki might be ok too, it has other issues
[04:13] <Yagisan> IIRC he is the php guru
[04:13] <ogra> but the packaging of the 1.5 line should be fine
[04:13] <guim> i have been looking at its architecture some days ago, but didn't look at that the installation process
[04:14] <guim> thans, i note that
[04:14] <guim> thanks ogra
[04:15] <Yagisan> bye ogra
[05:46] <Yagisan> ogra: I can't add support for ppc clients on amd64/i386 servers, and i386 guests on ppc servers until if/when qemu has NPTL support.
[05:47] <Yagisan> ogra: spoke to some devs in #qemu about it, so it would be dapper + 1 maybe
[05:48] <Yagisan> ogra: I'll prepare some anticipatory patches as I get time, but that assumes qemu upstream (or a coding guru) fixes qemu.
[05:50] <Yagisan> ogra: of course the alternative would be to build ubuntu without NPTL support, but I don't see that happening before hell freezes over, as IIRC that would break amd64 for starters
[05:52] <Yagisan> Goodnight all
[08:05] <Lord_Athur> hi
[08:33] <jelkner> ogra: oliver, are you here?
[08:38] <jelkner> ogra: oliver? hello oliver...
[09:07] <Lord_Athur> where does the aptitude program put the downloaded files .deb?
[09:18] <MrMazda>  /var/cache/apt or something like that
[09:20] <Lord_Athur> ok
[09:20] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[10:17] <Lord_Athur> hi