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sharkethello12:16
sharketanother problem12:16
sharket:S12:16
sharketJVM not found: libjvm.so  - libjvm.so12:16
sharketHowever, if the full path to the executable has not been set, a error is received.12:16
sharketecho "alias java='/opt/ibm-java2-ppc-50/bin/java'" >> ~/.bashrc12:16
sharketi did it but nothin12:16
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sharketsomebody ?12:20
hugelmopfjava is /usr/bin/java i believe on ubuntu. what are you trying to do?12:28
hugelmopfsharket: are you just trying to find the java interpreter?12:29
sharketprooving it12:29
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naliothsharket: wait for robotgeek_zzz to wake up, he can answer your java question(s)12:29
naliothhugelmopf: sharket is using IBM java on a mac, not sun on intel/amd12:30
hugelmopfah, ok. sorry...12:30
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sharketyep12:30
sharket:S12:30
sharketdon't know why dont work12:30
sharketi followed that error12:30
sharkethehe12:30
sharketanyway12:30
hugelmopfdid you close the shell and open a new one?12:32
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durihow do you set up sound and multimedia with kubuntu. I am not sure what my install uses ... alsa/oss/gstreamer whatever ...12:32
sharketno12:33
sharketi should hugelmopf  ?12:33
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hugelmopfyes, to resource ~/.bashrc12:33
sharketuh12:34
sharketi didn't12:34
hugelmopftry it12:34
naliothhugelmopf: no need to close and reopen, just a "source ~/.bashrc" will do12:34
hugelmopfyeah, true.12:34
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sharketsharket@whitebox:~$ java -showversion12:36
sharketbash: /opt/ibm-java2-ppc-50/bin/java: No existe el fichero o el directorio12:36
sharketno file or dir ? how can it be12:36
naliothhugelmopf: for those of us who hold guis in disdain, it's kinda hard to "close the terminal"12:36
naliothsharket: wait for robotgeek_zzz12:36
sharketok12:36
sharket:)12:36
hugelmopfguis in disdain? (i don't speak english natively)12:37
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naliothhugelmopf: for those users who do not use a gui. the users who run console only12:38
hugelmopfnalioth: got it.12:38
FoodcomanHows nalioth doin?12:38
naliothFoodcoman: samesame and you?12:39
FoodcomanIm good!  No complaints.12:39
Foodcomansystems are humming.12:39
Foodcoman=)12:39
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nxv__can i somehow prirorize audio output? my audioplayback gets stuck if my load gets to high12:41
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manverunxv__: kcontrol is your friend12:54
manveruyou just have to set the priority of the arts-daemon higher and give it a bigger buffer12:54
nxv__i can see the buffer settings. but where to change the priority?12:55
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zenlunaticwhy is my konqueror so slow?12:56
bokmanGood evening all, i'm having trouble adding wallpapers to /usr/share/wallpapers/ i've already messed up the ownership of all the files in the directory, now if you try and change the background the open file dialog crashes, any takers?12:56
naliothbokman: the system owns all the wallpapers there12:58
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bokmanI changed into the root account, now users owns it12:58
bokmanthat doesn't work so well though12:58
bokmanThe problem is that I know just enough about linux to be dangerous with the console12:59
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pl_icehey, guys i got problem with wine can someone give me a hand?01:01
bokmanI'm afraid I'm new to the linux world myself, but post your problem01:03
JackPalmierydon't have too much wine01:03
JackPalmierythat's your problem01:03
bokmanYeah, there is a twelve step program01:03
bokmanstep 1: get Cedega01:03
pl_icethnx but don't need cedega ...01:04
pl_icewhile i install wine, it sets .wine folders , but then i need winesetup program which sets new .wine folders, to run winesetup i need to uninstall wine and vice versa..01:05
bokmantry cutting the .wine folder somewhere else temporarily, (THIS IS ADVICE FROM A MORON THAT MESSES UP HIS SYSTEM REGULARLY BEWARE) sorry my caps lock key broke01:06
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pl_iceyeh, i thought about that, but it's annoying u/d hoary i had no probs! wrrr01:07
xtacocorexbokman: as for wallpapers, i'd make a folder in your home directory, something like: ~/wallpapers and then symbolically link them to /usr/share/wallpapers with: sudo ln -s ~/wallpapers /usr/share/wallpapers01:08
pl_icei'm trying to use dvd decryptor/shirk , u guys by any chance copied dvd's ? ...01:08
bokmanThank you very much xtacocorex01:08
bimberipl_ice: i have had good results with the wine package configured using the sidenet utility - http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html01:09
xtacocorexbokman: that's how i do it and then it keeps stuff sorta simple, you still end up with a <quote>folder</quote> in /usr/share/wallpapers01:09
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bimberipl_ice: also ...01:10
bimberi!wine01:10
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bimberi!+wne01:10
ubotuI don't know, bimberi01:10
bimberi!+wine01:10
ubotuwell, wine is a compatibility layer used by linux to let it run (some) windows programs.  It's available in universe but a more recent version can be installed by adding "deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/" to your sources.list.  More info at http://www.winehq.com or for support go to #winehq.01:10
bokmanWhat group should wallpapers belong to and what permissions need to be set, I stuffed it all up01:10
bimberifinally :P01:10
xtacocorexbokman: if you store them in your ~/wallpapers directory, you don't need to worry about permissions01:10
JackPalmiery!+mono01:10
ubotufrom memory, mono is implementation of .NET framework on linux.  For details http://www.go-mono.com01:10
pl_icebimberi i had n/p under hoary :/01:10
JackPalmiery!+cookie01:11
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bimberiJackPalmiery: don't need the + for short factoids :)01:11
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bokmanokay, i'll just delete all the files that are currently in wallpapers01:11
JackPalmieryI was trying to decide between ubuntu and kubuntu the last few hours01:12
JackPalmierythink I'm going w/ kubuntu01:12
JackPalmieryfor now01:12
xtacocorexbokman: delete the wallpapers in /usr/share/wallpapers?01:12
pl_icebimberi ,how about's ripping dvd's with other programs? thatn dvd decryptor?01:12
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bobbydhi01:12
JackPalmieryI was told KDE doesn't have a great C api though01:12
chxKATE 3.5 makes me crazy. a) I can't make it use it just one process , it opens several windows, annoying b) super annoying: I can't get it NOT to show the file system browser. I do not need that. help please.01:12
bobbydis there a MIDI player under breezy?01:12
JackPalmierybut no specifics01:12
kkathmanchx: its a 3.5 issue01:12
bobbydJackPalmiery, why would you use C over C++?01:13
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bokmanxtacocorex jup, i copied all the wallpapers in my home directory (which always stays the same through linux distros in there) I could make a script that always makes that symbolic link01:13
chxkkathman: both?01:13
kkathmanyep01:13
JackPalmieryI dunno.. I've used C, some C++, and java01:13
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bokmanxtacocorex, thanks for the help am trying it now01:13
xtacocorexbokman: you're welcome01:13
chxkkathman: is there a chance it'll be fixed in a timely manner?01:13
bobbydJackPalmiery, have you read the start of "The C++ programming language" by bjarne stroustrup?01:13
JackPalmierynope01:14
bimberibobbyd: timidity ?01:14
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kkathmanchx: a lot of kde apps arent synching with KDE3.5 yet01:14
JackPalmieryC coding is hard to manage.. I can't imagine using it for most things01:14
bobbydJackPalmiery, it's really interesting and shows a lot of the good things in C++ that can help you write better code before you even consider OO stuff01:14
JackPalmieryI used it for PDA coding01:14
JackPalmierybefore OO huh01:14
bimberipl_ice: no dvd ripping experience sorry :/01:15
pl_iceyeh , ok01:15
JackPalmieryit was tough managing memory in C01:15
JackPalmieryC++01:15
bobbydJackPalmiery, yeah, there're loads of features of C++ that can make for more robust code01:15
JackPalmierywith those destructors and whatnot01:15
JackPalmierybut I got the hang of it.. still, for a large scale app it seems easy to miss things01:15
JackPalmieryI'll look for that book01:16
bobbydJackPalmiery, that's why you have to write in a way that doesn't allow you to miss things :)01:16
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bimberipl_ice: my issue is reencoding tystreams from a PAL TiVo for stutter free DVD playback </offtopic> :)01:16
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bobbydJackPalmiery, I've mainly been involved in games, very large codebases in C/C++01:16
vblantonanyone know why kubuntu has a REALLY old version of apache in the repos??01:16
bobbydvblanton, are you looking at apache2?01:17
bobbydor apache?01:17
bimberi!info apache201:17
ubotuapache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 80 kB01:17
bobbyd80KB!?01:17
bobbydmust be a meta-package thing :)01:17
bokmanxtacocorex works like a bomb, its fast again, deleted all that stuff I didn't need anyway01:17
JackPalmieryyeah, I could see C++ being used in a game.. for most apps, I see no reason to not just use java01:17
xtacocorexbokman: im glad i could help01:18
bimberibobbyd: pretty likely :)01:18
bokmanxtacocorex out of interest what if more than one user used this PC (my home directory has restricted access)01:18
bobbydJackPalmiery, If you write using the standard library then you can write at a very high level in C++01:18
xtacocorexbokman: i think you could make a symlink for each user, but i haven't tried that since i'm the only one to use my laptop01:19
xtacocorexbokman: it's worth a shot at trying though01:19
JackPalmierywhen I used c++ I was taking a data structures class.. and we had to implement an application writing our own libraries, for trees, graphs, linked lists..01:19
bobbydJackPalmiery, but sometimes it just comes down to personal preference :)01:19
JackPalmieryand it was a pain.. I'll look into the standard libraries01:19
bokmanboost is cool for that stuff01:19
bobbydJackPalmiery, sounds interesting, but noone in their right mind would do that if they had a decent STL implementation01:20
vblantonbobbyd: yes thank you01:20
bobbydJackPalmiery, grab the stroustrup book, it's really cool just seeing how he does things in a ver simple way using STL01:20
JackPalmieryyeah.. haven't looked back since.. might get into linux dev, it seems java isn't that popular for popular apps01:20
bobbydvblanton, no problem :)01:20
JackPalmieryjust in the business sector, for custom apps01:21
vblantonbobbyd: how come its 2.0.* and not 2.2?01:21
bobbydJackPalmiery, there are a lot of apps under linux writtern in java01:21
bokmangoodnight all01:21
xtacocorexbokman: goodnght01:21
vblantonbokman: sleep well01:21
JackPalmierywhich? anything I might know the name of?01:21
bobbydvblanton, not sure, that could be an ubuntu version number?01:21
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bobbydJackPalmiery, azureus (bittorrent client)01:21
vblantonbobbyd: i doubt it...01:21
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bobbydJackPalmiery, eclipse IDE01:22
bobbydJackPalmiery, um, ok, that's two :)01:22
JackPalmieryahh, brings my system to its knees01:22
vblanton!ubuntu01:22
ubotu[ubuntu]  an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards01:22
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bobbydazureus? yeah it's a bit crazy :)01:22
vblanton!kubuntu01:22
ubotuKubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/01:22
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vblanton!apache201:22
ubotuvblanton: Bugger all, i dunno01:22
vblanton!apache01:23
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, apache is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP or, for Ubuntu server information, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom01:23
JackPalmieryyeah, azureus was also a system hog01:23
vblanton!info apache101:23
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vblanton!info apache201:23
ubotuapache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 80 kB01:23
JackPalmieryI keep hearing java is not slow, that is a myth01:23
JackPalmierybut that doesn't jive w/ my experience01:23
vblanton33kb?? haa!01:24
vblanton!mambo01:24
ubotuNot a clue, vblanton01:24
vblanton!info mambo01:24
vblanton!info joomla01:24
vblantonfine01:24
JackPalmierybest quit message is "Erection reset by beer."01:25
bobbydJackPalmiery, java technically isn't slow01:25
bobbydJackPalmiery, but the swing GUI seems to be really slow01:25
JackPalmieryit is swing's fault? strange indeed01:26
bobbydwell assuming a decent jit compiler is implemented01:26
JackPalmieryazureus really bogs down01:26
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JackPalmierywhen there is a lot going on01:26
JackPalmierythat is from screen updates then?01:26
bobbydJackPalmiery, I think that's because they wrote a crazy app :)01:26
bobbydi was talking in the general case01:26
JackPalmieryeclipse too..01:27
bobbydfor azureus they have lots of connections open and do a lot of disk activity01:27
bobbydfor eclipse I think it's jus the GUI01:27
JackPalmieryother clients that are non-java blaze in comaprison01:27
bobbydindeed01:27
JackPalmieryto azureus01:27
JackPalmierythat VM layer hurts IO it seems01:27
JackPalmierywhether graphics or disk01:27
bobbydwell, you definitely have a memory overhead for a java VM, I've seen around 60MB on average01:28
JackPalmieryyeah, indeed01:28
JackPalmieryI need more RAM perhaps01:28
JackPalmiery256 meg doesn't cut it for eclipse01:28
JackPalmierythat's for sure01:29
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vblantonanyone know if its safe to use GCC 4.0 in kubuntu?01:33
M_Cheevyheya folks01:33
vblantonI want to install build-essesntials and its calling GCC 4... seems a little dangerous01:33
vblanton!info build-essentials01:33
vblanton..01:33
vblanton!info build-essential01:33
ubotubuild-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB01:33
M_Cheevysorry vblanton, haven't gone in that direction yet so can't help01:34
vblantonwell.. here goes nothing01:34
M_Cheevyfingers crossed for ya dude01:34
bobbydvblanton,  gcc 4 is fine01:34
bobbydvblanton, it's the default gcc in breezy01:35
M_Cheevyanyone else having problems with ejecting and accessing automounted cd's?01:35
bobbydM_Cheevy, what kind of problems?01:35
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M_Cheevybobbyd: well, I can get the cd/dvd to show on the desktop but I can't seem to eject it using the desktop tool and since it doesn't show in mount (media:/dvd) or fstab I can't seem to unmount it.. basically it seems hal, pmount, ivman, etc are scootched.. attempts at reinstalling hal coughs a perl error about accessing /tmp/hal(something)..01:36
M_Cheevyseems a lot of people are having hal issues from my google search but all I'm getting is a lot of speculation, no clear path to troubleshooting it01:37
bobbydM_Cheevy, do "sudo eject" from a shell01:38
vblantonM_Cheevy: yes. see if its a permission problem01:38
vblantonweird that it would happen, but you never know01:38
M_Cheevygive me a second.... will boot up that system... just hopped onto the laptop to see if anyone knew of a howto... but if y'all is willing to help, I'll be as cooperative as I can ;)01:39
M_Cheevybooting now.. as for things being weird on my system, no surprise... I had to do a debootstrap install and typical of a distro newbie, I've done some tinkering.... :(01:40
M_CheevyI'm sure my fstab is a bit off and wouldn't be surprised if my /etc/hddparam.conf is also a little off01:41
vblantondid you change the default install config for a reason?01:42
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M_Cheevybrb01:43
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M_Cheevyback01:43
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M_Cheevychanged the default /etc/hddparm.conf based on "Unofficial Breezy FAQ" on enabling dma access to cd/dvd drives01:44
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M_Cheevyokay, sudo eject works... now retrying desktop eject... desktop eject fails01:46
M_Cheevywhat are the correct permissions for /usr/bin/eject?  root root -rwxr-xr-x?01:48
Serberushow do you add a home directory button to the KDE kicker, i've had to do via a quick browser button but KDE's screenshots of 3.4 show a standard Home button01:48
M_Cheevydon't have one myself but it's easy enough to add....01:50
HobbseeM_Cheevy: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16712 2005-12-22 01:54 /usr/bin/eject01:50
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janezhi all01:51
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HobbseeHI01:51
Hobbseedarn caps lock01:51
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M_CheevyHobbsee: thanks... basically the same... bummer, thought that might be it01:51
Hobbseei thought cd's would show up in the fstab01:52
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M_CheevyHobbsee: not if they are being handled by pmount, or so I've gathered...01:53
HobbseeM_Cheevy: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0 is my line for cd in the fstab01:53
Hobbseeah ok01:53
raphinkyes I have that in my fstab too I guess01:53
raphinkfrom what i remember01:53
raphinkwhat is pmount ?01:53
M_Cheevyit's part of the hal/udev/pmount trio, it's used to automount removable drives01:54
Serberusah sorted01:54
raphinkic01:54
Snake__Hobbsee: whats up!01:54
Hobbseenot a lot...just sitting here chatting, and reading the newspaper01:55
Hobbseeright now, modifying my boot list again01:55
Snake__lol01:55
Snake__Hobbsee: Do you use xfce?01:56
M_Cheevybbias01:56
HobbseeSnake__: i did once, i dont now...01:56
Snake__Hobbsee: damn ok01:56
Hobbsee#xfce01:56
Hobbseewhat did you want to know?01:56
Snake__I was just wondering how to remove work spaces01:57
Snake__Or to send programs to diffrent ones01:57
Snake__ah figured it out01:57
Snake__Thanks anyway :)01:57
Snake__I dont like that virtual desktop idea01:57
Hobbseei dont really like it in xfce - i dont find it terribly well implemented (ie, people asking "how does it work?" and not having an obvious answer), but i use them in kde all the time, and in gnome when i used to use that01:59
Snake__I dont see a point for it01:59
Snake__I have yet to see a use for it01:59
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DewDude!mp302:00
ubotu[mp3]  a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats02:00
Glin|JolWinamp not Running02:00
chromatewhat portable hard-drive mp3 players do you all use/recommend?02:00
DewDudenone of 'em02:00
Snake__chromate: take it to offtopic, and I recommend the Cowon iAudio X502:00
Snake__Best bang for the buck02:01
Snake__and its a video player02:01
HobbseeSnake__: run enough programs at once and you will lol!02:01
chromateSnake__: thanks02:01
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Hobbseeespecially if you have email open all the time - i just stick that on a separate desktop, and get an icon when i have new mail...02:01
Snake__chromate: But if you wany my honest opinion, get a PSP02:01
Snake__want my*02:01
chromateSnake__: you said take it to offtopci, what is the channel name for it?02:01
Snake__#kubuntu-offtopic02:01
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djk_is there something one has to do before kscd can actually play an audiocd?02:02
chromateSnake__: thats a logical name =)02:02
M_Cheevyso, one site I've found recommends "chmod +s" on eject... any great peril with that?02:02
M_Cheevydjk_: gave up on kscd for just that reason.. that and too many other options02:03
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_nano_win32codecs doesn't seem to be there in the repos, any idea where i can get that?02:04
djk_M_Cheevy: i'm just trying - not so very successfully - to copy a cd :(02:04
M_Cheevy_nano_: hang a second, I'll get ya the line from /etc/apt/sources.list02:04
_nano_M_Cheevy: okies02:05
M_Cheevy_nano_: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main   (also can get the dvd codecs there too)02:05
djk_marillat shouldn't be used..02:06
_nano_djk_: err...why?02:06
djk__nano_: was told that they may cause problems with ubuntu..02:06
_nano_djk_: so do you have any sources where I could get win32codecs?02:07
M_Cheevydjk_: if he limits himself to the codecs he should be fine02:07
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djk_M_Cheevy: sure, but why not use the recommended source.02:08
_nano_djk_: thanks02:08
djk_you're welcome02:08
M_Cheevydjk: does the recommended source provide access to the css2 stuff?02:08
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DewDudehttp://pastebin.com/474445 <- if someone could give me an idea as to if it's a dependency failure or bad makefile, thanks in advance. feel free to msg..i'm stepping out for a smoke and will probably miss answer02:08
djk_M_Cheevy: i think so, yes.02:09
bimberi!w32codecs02:10
bimberi!+w32codecs02:10
ubotuI guess w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-fda9cc5147253891fe3047263b82d787ab025bba to install02:10
apokryphossomeone should really just tinurl that :P02:11
bimberi:)02:11
djk_are there any programs for linux to detect copyprotections on cds?02:11
M_Cheevydjk: bookmarked that puppy... now comes the joy of kicking out the marillat files...02:11
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M_Cheevydjk_: if you're worried about rootkit stuff, just avoid Sony and it's affiliates... that being said, they're only the ones that have been caught at it so far02:12
bimberiapokryphos: leave it to me (unless you've started)02:12
apokryphosubotu: no w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install02:12
ubotuapokryphos: okay02:12
djk_M_Cheevy: i'm not worried about anything, i just want to copy a cd ;)02:12
apokryphosbimberi: just as you said :P02:12
bimberi:)02:13
M_Cheevydjk_: well, just yesterday I took The Gladiatress (which has all sorts of "copyprotected" symbols all over it) and made a very sweet copy without much hassle.. granted that's dvd but it tells you what the software is capable of...02:13
djk_M_Cheevy: i want to copy an audio cd..02:15
randabishi02:15
randabishey apokryphos long time no see02:15
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apokryphosrandabis: very long time no see :)02:15
apokryphoshow've you been?02:15
M_Cheevydjk_: Like I said, I recognise what I was doing was different, but if anything, dvd copy protection seems more robust, if it can be done with that, a cd should not be a problem02:16
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randabisI'm pretty good just truckin' around across the US...I drive an 18 wheeler for a living currently02:16
djk_M_Cheevy: and what did you use to make the copy02:16
M_Cheevydjk_: besides, cdr's as cheap as chips these days... so what if the first try doesn't take... what is it?  $0.25?02:16
apokryphosrandabis: nicee; how are you finding it?02:17
apokryphosnot much time for computer there, I'm sure ;-)02:17
djk_M_Cheevy: it's a matter of principle..02:17
M_Cheevydjk: did it under winblows... just good old roxio easy cd... for the cds I copied... (disc copy applet), for the dvd's dvdecryter)02:17
M_Cheevyexperimentation is a principle too ;)02:18
djk_M_Cheevy: i don't have roxio..either way, k3b's 'clone cd' option didn't work..02:18
M_Cheevybesides, I remember when the buggers were $5+02:18
M_Cheevydjk: did you try "raw" mode?02:19
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djk_yea.. doesn't the 'clone cd' option only offer raw..02:19
randabisapokryphos: I enjoy it for the most part. Yeah, I don't get to use the net as much, but I do get wifi from time to time at certain truck stops, such as the one I'm currently parked at02:19
M_Cheevydjk_: clone and auto...02:20
M_Cheevydjk: raw and auto that is02:20
apokryphosrandabis: I'm wondering if you're on breezy there, even :P02:20
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M_Cheevydjk: there is a "No error correction" button under the Advanced tab....02:20
M_Cheevydjk: also a paranoia level02:21
randabisapokryphos: actually, I am on breezy :)02:21
M_Cheevydjk: also I find dropping the speed sometimes helps02:21
randabisapokryphos: I downloaded the iso when I was home on thanksgiving and upgraded the laptop02:21
apokryphosnice02:21
apokryphosrandabis: still sticking with ubuntu then ;-)02:21
djk_M_Cheevy: why would dropping the speed matter... only when it's read it may matter.. and that was only with what.. safedisc2?02:21
djk_M_Cheevy: and that protection isn't used for audio.02:22
M_Cheevydjk: not sure of the whys and wherefores I just know from years of doing it, dropping the write speed sometimes gives the laser that little bit more time to get it right02:22
randabisapokryphos: of course. :) I've yet to find a better distro02:22
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randabisanyone having problems with gmail right now?02:22
djk_M_Cheevy: i don't really know what the differences are between the paranoia modes in k3b..02:23
M_Cheevydjk: nor do I but if memory serves it does have to do with circumventing cp's... worth a read if naught else02:23
djk_M_Cheevy: but if i could detect what protection is used, it may be simpler to use the correct settings02:24
M_CheevyI did have some luck under winblows with a region-free/css removal tool.. surprising it handled copy protected cds but it did!02:24
M_Cheevydjk: granted, but know nothing about that, figured I'd helpout where I do...02:25
djk_M_Cheevy: it seems like nobody is coding progs like that anymore.. or i'm just too old to find them.02:25
M_Cheevydjk: www.mrbass.org used to be THE place for dvd copying info... if the MPAA hasn't had him shut down yet...02:26
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djk_M_Cheevy: so was gamecopyworld.com ..and many other sites.. all the progs they offer are either outdated or useless02:27
bimberirandabis: just logged into my gmail a/c - so working from here (.au)02:27
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ice9hey anyone have chroot02:29
M_Cheevydjk_: I'm not saying mrbass is down, just saying I ain't checked in a while02:29
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ice9I need some help02:29
M_Cheevydjk_: the win prog I used to copy the protected cds I had was "DVDRegionFree+CSS"02:29
M_Cheevyhmm, maybe I shouldn't have put the hot lasagna down on the ubuntu cds....02:30
HobbseeM_Cheevy: hehe...that's probably not a good idea for any cd!02:31
M_Cheevyice9: thought it was part of the ubuntu-base package02:31
ice9it is02:31
ice9but having a hell of a time getting it to work02:31
M_CheevyHobbsee: but surprisingly it did circumvent the one copy protected CD I did have in my collection02:31
M_CheevyHobbsee: it has an option to counter-act cd protections too02:32
Hobbseehmmm02:32
M_Cheevyprior to the new version if I had put the cd in it forced me to play through a player it wanted to install, afterwards... bingo.  ripped it with winamp02:32
M_Cheevynow, quicky question, regarding my problem ejecting cd's/dvd's... is there any risk on a single user system of setting eject "chroot +s"?02:34
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naliothM_Cheevy: it's not advised, but if it's your box, you can do as you please02:39
M_Cheevywhy do I have a feeling asking that question just meant 80 people have just acquired root access to my machine?02:39
M_Cheevynalioth: what would you say are some of the negative ramifications?02:40
naliothsystem instability, M_Cheevy02:40
M_Cheevythat a disc might get ejected when it is critical that it not be, kinda thing?02:40
naliothM_Cheevy: correct02:44
M_Cheevynalioth: so basically, if I keep my head about me, and remember what I'm doing, I should be okay...  just trying to balance the risks against spending hours debugging hal, udev, pmount et alia02:45
naliothM_Cheevy: correct02:45
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M_Cheevynalioth: well, correct me if I'm wrong, please, please correct me... but hal/udev/pmount ain't exactly  easy to suss out?02:46
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DelvienANYONE know how to add a music file to your AMAROK playlist using terminal or a SCRIPT?02:47
AudioMovewhat file do I edit or app do I install to get all my files in home for example to load up in a Gnome style(like windows explorer) and not to load in the konqueror web browser?02:47
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naliothM_Cheevy: i have no idea what hal/udev/pmount do or are. you are treading a different level than I02:50
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Delvien!dcop02:50
ubotuDelvien: I don't know02:50
M_Cheevynalioth: nah, just researching my butt off ;)02:50
naliothAudioMove: you don't have a "home" icon in your kicker?02:50
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M_Cheevynalioth: when I moved to kde3.5 I get a "places" button in my kicker instead of a home icon.. it's right next to the Menu icon AudioMove02:52
M_Cheevynalioth: Hal  handles hotplug hardware, udev is a dynamic device manager, and pmount automounts removable media02:54
naliothM_Cheevy: yo hable espaol, ich spreche eine bischen deutsch, y parle un peut franais02:55
M_Cheevyje parlez un piu du francais, eine kleine hoch deutche, and piquito espanol02:56
M_Cheevy get the "z" out of that french bit02:56
naliothmy point is: i still have no clue about those things02:56
AudioMovenalioth: i have a home icon, i just dont want its contents loading in konqueror web browser. rather a windows explorer type look, is this possible with konqueror or is their another app available that i can use?02:57
M_Cheevynalioth: ah, but you can see why they're getting involved ;)02:57
naliothAudioMove: it is possible with konqueror. hit f9 and then change the view type (icon, detail, info, etc) and then save your settings under Tools02:58
HobbseeAudioMove: make konq look like windows explorer then...02:58
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Hobbseelike nalioth said above02:58
ice9 No chroots found in config file '/etc/dchroot.conf'.02:58
M_Cheevynow, who can help me to teach konq not to come up when I put in audio cds or dvds?02:58
ice9how do I fix that02:58
naliothubotu: tell ice9 about chroot02:59
HobbseeM_Cheevy: it's something about turning autoplay off...02:59
M_CheevyHobbsee: I'd rather be more specific about it.. can see it being useful with usbdrives and floppies and data cds.03:00
M_CheevyHobbsee: from what I've gathered it involves either ivman or pmount03:00
AudioMovecheers nalioth03:00
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Hobbseelooking...03:05
psykecan someone with a fairly low-end graphics card do me a favour? Just click the hide button on the KDE panel and observe the hiding animation, is it very choppy?03:06
Snake__Hang on psyke ill tell u in a second03:06
psykecomparing to the minimizing in SUSE, it's very choppy and slow03:06
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Snake__psyke: Where is the hide button03:08
Snake__lol03:08
HobbseeM_Cheevy: remove ivman seems to be the standard solution, to be rid of the autoplay03:08
Hobbseepsyke: yeah, a little choppy - you can change the speed though03:08
M_CheevyHobbsee: it's overkill for what I want to do.. I like the autoplay for some things just not audio cds and dvds03:08
Snake__Hobbsee: where is the hide button!!03:08
M_CheevyHobbsee: er... non-data cds and dvds03:09
Hobbseethen i suggest in kcontrol, and change the settings in kde components...i guess...03:09
HobbseeM_Cheevy:03:09
Hobbseehttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-80479.html03:09
Hobbseeoops...hit the enter button too soon03:09
HobbseeSnake__: see bottom right corner, the little arrow03:09
Snake__I must be blind...03:10
Snake__I dont see it lol03:10
psykeSnake__: sometimes it doesn't show up, you may need to use kcontrol and enable it03:10
M_CheevyHobbsee: interesting article.. hadn't know about the replacement of ivman with autoplay in kde3.5  that might be my problem....03:11
Snake__....03:11
psykeHobbsee: another test if you're willing; open just a terminal with top and minimize everything else, then highlight an empty part of the desktop and watch CPU use. Then highlight some icons and watch the CPU and mouse movement. On my system it maxes out the CPU (Xorg process)03:12
Hobbseecould well be03:12
Snake__psyke: my dragging thing starts to lag when I do that03:12
Snake__I thought that was odd03:12
M_CheevyHobbsee: I think ivman is still installed03:13
psykeSnake__: kcontrol, Appearance, Background, Advanced, disable the shadow on text (uncheck) and apply, then try it again...03:13
Hobbseepsyke: xorg stays at around 13% memory, doing all those things...03:13
Hobbseegoes from anywhere to 3-15% cpu03:13
psykeHobbsee: what about CPU?03:14
Snake__Nope still lags psyke but aw well03:14
psykeHobbsee: does the CPU increase if you're highlighting icons compared to nothing, and do you notice the mouse jerking?03:14
Hobbseedont think so, and havent noticed mouse jerking03:15
Hobbseethis is an intel integrated graphics card03:15
psykethese are just examples of pretty bad 2D performance I've experienced in Ubuntu; I've tried Knoppix (although it's XFree86) and SUSE 10 and those distros have very, very smooth 2D acceleration and no lags or high CPU use03:15
psykeI've done all the obvious things such as the nvidia drivers and 686 kernel; in fact I notice the slowness on my desktop PC and laptop (nvidia and ati drivers)03:16
Hobbseefile some bugs for them?03:16
psykeHobbsee: it's a little difficult to file one, I don't know if those tests are reproducable, and the slow rubberband effect is already filed (with no answer)03:17
Hobbseetrue, i guess03:17
psykeSnake__: sorry, I meant to ask you to go to kcontrol, Appearance, Style, then disable the rubberband effect (I think change from translucent to disabled), that should speed up the highlighting03:17
zenlunatici installed kubuntu-desktop in ubuntu and when in kde my sound doesn't work, but it works in gnome?03:18
psykethere's no real visible jerkiness when you do that, but the CPU use is still high, 60% or so for Xorg03:18
Snake__Hey thanks psyke!03:19
Snake__:)03:19
Snake__a minor annoyance but fixed non the less03:19
psykeSnake__: what gfxcard are you using?03:20
Snake__Uhhh Crystal S3 I believe03:20
psykeit's old?03:20
Snake__Something like that, they are on a year 2000 Laptop03:20
psykeSnake__: if you're feeling adventerous I'd recommend you download Knoppix and give it a shot (it's just a LiveCD), you may find the general 2D performance much better than Breezy (if your experience is anything like mine)..03:21
psykeit's an awful shame, I love Ubuntu otherwise :).. but it's a bit slow03:21
psyke3D accelleration is fine...03:21
Snake__I got knoppix03:21
Snake__Great OS03:22
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psykeSnake__: you didn't notice the speed difference?03:22
Snake__No I did03:22
Snake__Thats why it caught me a little off guard03:22
Snake__actually I started on knoppix...that was a fun lil OS...03:22
KnowerrorsAnbody know a website that suggests a username based on personal questions?03:22
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psykemaybe your system is a little faster than mine (most likely), but the lagginess of Ubuntu annoys me a little, in fact Knoppix is more responsive than Windows (and with all the criticisms of Windows you can think of, it's pretty snappy for simple operations)03:23
Snake__The only reason I wont dis windows is because I know it so well, so if I need to do something, I know exactly how to do it03:23
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Snake__thats how I hope to get with linux03:23
psykeI'm running Dapper now, and the new Xorg is a little faster, the jerkiness is less noticeable, but in Knoppix it was simply perfect, really really smooth03:24
Snake__Hobbsee: is splutter a word?03:24
Snake__lol03:24
Hobbseei think so!03:24
psykeHobbsee: no need to splutter, but the truth is that Ubuntu is laggy on my two machines (everything else is perfect)03:24
Hobbseeah, that probably doesnt help - i'm on dapper too today...03:24
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steve_laptoplol03:25
Snake__psyke: I'm running 800 MHz PC with 512 RAM and Savage S3 Graphics03:25
Snake__if that helps u in any way shape or form03:25
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psykeSnake__: my laptop is a 700mhz PIII with 192mb ram, pretty modest, but it runs Knoppix and SUSE very fast03:25
naliothpsyke: do you know about xubuntu?03:26
Snake__psyke: try xubuntu03:26
Snake__I got xfce on this system, it runs awesome03:26
psykenalioth: I tried it when I was running breezy, it was faster, but once you use a GTK/KDE app (which is inevitable), the slowness is evident03:26
steve_laptopanyone running kubuntu on a sony?03:26
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randabisgah this hotspot sucks03:27
psykenalioth: it's not an ideal solution, I'd prefer the slowness to be fixed; it's not unreasonable because I'm comparing to another Debian based distro on the same hardware (although it's not Xorg in Knoppix)03:27
M_CheevyHobbsee: weeeelll... it nuked a little more than I wanted it to but... at least now Konq don't popup when I put in a non-data dvd or cd... but nor does it auto-open kaffiene03:27
Hobbseehmmm03:28
psykeSnake__: when you run firefox, for example, do you notice the sluggishness (even in xfce)?03:28
Snake__I notice it a bit on KDE but not xfc03:29
Snake__e03:29
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psykehave you tried GNOME? I've always heard KDE is bloat (and I kinda felt that way since I first used Linux in 2000), but GNOME is actually much slower than KDE on my system03:30
M_CheevyHobbsee: so whoopie do.. it's two clicks away... I'll wrap my head around it....03:30
Snake__I've only used gnome on my main rig03:30
steve_laptopI dont see any slugguihness on my other sony then again its got 2.66 with 1.5G ram03:30
Snake__which is wayy better than this03:30
Hobbseesteve_laptop: hehe - there should be any sluggishness for any reason with system settings like that!03:30
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psykeyeah I think there's a certain threshold where this slowness would be offset by a powerful CPU or good graphics card, but it's not ideal to leave performance problems unfixed03:31
Snake__psyke: heres what you need to do.03:31
Snake__You reformat, and type "Server" at the install part03:31
Snake__:-P03:31
psykeLinux has always been ideal for older PCs because of good hardware support for older hardware and modest requirements03:31
psykeSnake__: I've done that ;)... but it's tough to measure Xorg performance when it's not installed :P03:32
Snake__:D03:32
psykeseriously, I've tried xubuntu-desktop, it's pretty snappy but once you run a non-xfce app you notice the slowness03:32
Snake__Well I dont think KDE has machines slower than maybe 1 ghz in mind03:32
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psykeSnake__: Knoppix runs faster than Windows...03:33
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Snake__psyke: Ah yes good point03:33
Snake__psyke: I stand corrected03:33
psykemy desktop pc is old, it's a 400mhz pentium 2, and it's very responsive in Knoppix and SUSE03:33
M_Cheevybtw, with kde3.5 an Nvidia GeForce 4Ti w/128 @ 553.5MHz, running 1280x1024,1024x768@24bit, should my Gears (GL) be only doing 85fps?03:33
psykethe laptop is newer but the slowness is still noticeable03:33
psykeM_Cheevy: glxinfo | grep direct03:34
steve_laptopM_Cheevy, thANKS psyke03:34
steve_laptop:)03:34
M_Cheevypsyke: response: yes03:34
psykeif it says direct rendering: no, then you need to install nvidia-glx then enable it (sudo nvidia-config enable), or if it doesn't work, edit Xorg.conf and change Load "nv" to Load "nvidia"03:35
M_Cheevypsyke: it said "yes", not "no"03:35
randabiscan't go wrong with xfce or one of the *boxes03:35
psykeM_Cheevy: make sure nvidia-glx is installed, then try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg03:35
psykemake sure you use the nvidia module03:36
Snake__How would you restart X?03:36
M_Cheevypsyke: also already running with nvidia drivers... have never seen performance higher.. have already tweaked my xorg.conf03:36
Snake__I have yet to figur ethis out03:36
psykeSnake__: control alt + backspace03:36
Snake__lol03:36
steve_laptop[root@localhost ~] # glxgears03:36
steve_laptop9145 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1829.000 FPS03:36
steve_laptopX connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).03:36
sampanhas anyone used those external USB bays for 3.5" HDs?  i have a couple extra HDs around and was thinking of putting them in those bays, but wasn't sure if k/ubuntu would be able to format them over a USB connection03:36
steve_laptopLOLOL03:36
swimis there anyway to make konqueror open a seperate window when it needs to be a file manager when it's already open as a browser?03:37
xtacocorexsampan: i got an external enclosure for a 2.5in drive and was able to format it from linux03:37
xtacocorexsampan: i don't remember when i did it though03:37
psykeM_Cheevy: did you comment out Load "dri" and "GLcore", and comment out the DRI lines at the end?03:37
xtacocorexsampan: you just need to know what device it loads under, mine is /dev/sda103:38
M_Cheevypsyke: have read I don't want to use the agpgart drivers if I can help it but rather should let nvidia handle the agp with "NvAGP" "1" in the options03:38
psykeM_Cheevy: I don't think it makes a huge difference to performance, but if you use Nvidia's AGP support you may need to blacklist the kernel's AGP module03:38
M_Cheevypsyke: dri is toast but GLCore wasn't... have just "#"'d it03:38
xtacocorexswim: just open another tab and browse to the directory you want03:38
sampanxtacocorex  good to know that it's possible at least.  i almost bought an enclosure today at fry's, but stopped because i honestly didn't know how to go about formatting -- mounting, i figured would be okay, but once mounted, how to format ...03:38
M_Cheevypsyke: have already blacklisted it, but it loads regardless...03:38
M_Cheevybrb03:39
xtacocorexsampan: i'd try to find one that has some sort of ability to work under linux though03:39
psykeM_Cheevy: I'd recommend reconfiguring Xorg to use nvidia and only edit the basics in Xorg (comment out DRI and GLCore).. forget about tweaks first, and test if the basic setup gives you good performance03:39
sampanxtacocorex  heh -- they all just list win and mac :/03:39
xtacocorexsampan: i searched tigerdirect.com for a while before i found one that worked03:39
swimxtacocorex: yes I know I can do that, but I'd like konqueror to open a seperate window as the file manager profile when it's going to be a file manager, even if it's open as a browser already...03:39
xtacocorexsampan: i'm sure that it would work though03:40
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xtacocorexswim: kfmclient exec <path> might do what you03:40
psykeSnake__: you must have discovered how to restart X, huh? ;)03:40
sampanxtacocorex  cool ... just glad to know someone else got it to work :)03:41
naliothswim: then type in konsole, "konqueror --help" and it should give you some ideas of what to put in your new launcher03:41
swimok thx xtacocorex, nalioth03:41
xtacocorexsampan: yeah, winxp won't format fat32 so i had to do it with mkdosfs03:41
xtacocorexswim: np03:42
sampanxtacocorex  i don't have a win install, so ext3 would be what i need on there (and iirc all the extra HDs are ntfs right now)03:43
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xtacocorexsampan: that shouldn't be a problem at all then once you get the enclosures03:43
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Snake__lol03:44
Snake__ya03:44
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M_Cheevypsyke: sorry, no performance change03:44
Snake__Hey does anyone in here know windows like the back of their hand?03:45
xtacocorexSnake__: i could probably figure it out03:45
M_CheevySnake__: what's the question...03:45
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Snake__M_Cheevy , xtacocorex I got a home network, and suddenly when I try to access my music folders it asks me for a password03:46
Snake__How do I get rid of it (This is between 2 windows PCs)03:46
xtacocorexSnake__: os versions?03:46
M_CheevySnake: ah... networked...03:46
Snake__Both XP03:46
HobbseeSnake__: make sure both folders are shared without passwords?03:46
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Snake__All my folders are locked03:46
M_CheevySnake: username/password pair the same on both machines? and both users set as powerusers?03:47
Snake__all 4 of shared folders, when I try to access them require a username and password03:47
psykeM_Cheevy: you may be getting an incorrect fps score (glxgears isn't supposed to be a benchmark tool).. try tuxracer and see if it works smoothly03:47
psykeif glxgears is only giving you 85fps you'll certainly notice it in tuxracer (it's a little slow on my system that only gets 400fps)03:47
xtacocorexSnake__: yeah, it deals with the sharing permissions03:48
M_Cheevypsyke: is there an fps meter in tuxracer?03:48
Snake__So I should check my folders?03:48
xtacocorexSnake__: if i had a windows box next to me, i'd be able to figure it out faster03:48
psykeM_Cheevy: don't think so.. I think one of the gl tron games does, though.. armagetron perhaps (I'm not in linux atm, can't check the proper name)03:48
M_CheevySnake: yes, check folders, best when both machines are up and user is logged into both... then you can add them to the permissions (you may have to turn OFF simple sharing)03:48
Snake__I know windows pretty well and it stumped me lol03:48
psykeyou may beed the universe repo03:48
psykeneed03:49
M_Cheevypyske: I think I know the one you mean, believe it's already installed... noticed the tron armaggedon thing myself03:49
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psykeM_Cheevy: yep, during the game I think it shows the fps, I got about 30-40 on my system03:49
M_Cheevybbias03:50
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Snake__xtacocorex: Okay, I set it for everyone to be allowed to read, and it still says that03:57
Snake__but then a little IP error pops up in the corner of my server when I do03:57
Snake__a IP conflict03:57
xtacocorexSnake__: hmm03:58
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xtacocorexSnake__: i hate ip conflicts03:58
Snake__lol03:58
xtacocorexSnake__: are the machines on dhcp?03:59
Snake__All but the server, but I got the router to start servering up ips after xxx.xxx.xx.10503:59
Snake__the server is 10103:59
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xtacocorexSnake__: there shouldn't be an ip conflict with that setup, unless one of the machines on the dhcp crashed during a re-lease of its ip04:00
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Snake__How would I solve that?04:00
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Snake__IP release renew?04:01
kairu0hey all04:01
kairu0where do i enable drop shadows under my windows in kde?04:01
treakathhey snake04:01
_markHello04:01
Snake__hello treakath04:01
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xtacocorexSnake__: i would try that, but i haven't messed with windows networking for 6 months now so it's been a while on that front04:01
treakathtalk to you later kk04:02
Snake__Hmm ok04:02
M_Cheevypsyke: same numbers, but pretty smooth performance from tuxracer @ 1280x102404:02
xtacocorexSnake__: i feel like i sorta screwed you up even more04:02
Snake__ys that?04:02
xtacocorexSnake__: the fact that i can't remember what to do04:02
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Snake__lol04:03
M_Cheevywhat's the buzz snake?  still having permission problems?04:03
xtacocorexkairu0: do you have the xcomposite manager and an nvidia graphics card?04:03
Snake__ya, except when I try to access the folder, my server tells me theres a IP Conflict04:03
Snake__Down in the corner04:03
Snake__so im going to try to do a release renew04:04
kairu0xtacocorex, xcomposite manager means i need to install xcompset?04:04
M_CheevySnake: that's one solution... are you running dhcp in the house?04:04
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xtacocorexkairu0: i'm trying to find the forum post that details how to install it, it will probably crash your machine since xcomposite is being developed very heavily04:05
kairu0xtacocorex, oops xcompmgr. and yes i have it installed. i dont have an nvidia card04:05
M_Cheevyhmm, I wonder if he knows that he'll probably get dropped from here when he does that...04:05
Snake__M_Cheevy: no I wont, this isn't the client PC04:05
xtacocorexkairu0: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7552704:05
M_CheevySnake: just so you know, release renew only works if you have a dhcp server on your net04:06
sergjust installed kubuntu (breezy, well reinstalled) i have a new gfx card (nvidia geforce 5200), reboot - fine, but when i do apt-get upgrade on a vanilla system and then try to reboot i get a system freez  during booting stage - it freezes on a line "checking battery status"  any ideas why this is happening and how to fix it?04:06
Snake__And yes dhcp is running, but its set to dispense IPs after .10504:06
Snake__the server is .10104:06
kairu0xtacocorex, thanks man04:06
M_Cheevyand the server is where the share is you want to access?04:06
xtacocorexkairu0: that should give you the instructions, i don't have it installed because my graphics card is only 32 mb04:06
xtacocorexkairu0: np04:06
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blankyis kubuntu getting any better?04:07
M_Cheevy(off in chat)04:07
blankyis it just as buggy as it was?04:07
xtacocorexblanky: what do you mean by buggy?04:07
blankyi dont know, there'd be problems with permissions and stuff04:08
blankyxtacocorex, or maybe it's that im running it off my ubuntu box04:08
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kakeihi,hey if i download a font front dafont.com where i have to unzip it to use it04:08
bimberi"How to make friends in an IRC Channel" by B. Lanky :P04:08
xtacocorexblanky: the only problem i've had is the administrator mode button in kcontrol, but that's fixed in kde 3.504:08
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M_Cheevybimberi: better than "How to Piss Off People on Irc", no?04:10
bimberiM_Cheevy: :)04:11
M_Cheevybimberi: good way to never get any answers to your questions ;)04:11
M_CheevyI guess that book would have been written by Basil Fawlty ;)04:11
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bimberilol04:12
M_Cheevyactually John Cleese did do a film on How to Irritate People04:12
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M_Cheevybimberi: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063100/04:13
Snake____M_Cheevy: you here?04:13
M_Cheevyyeap04:13
Snake____ok back to PM04:13
Snake____Arghhh04:14
Snake____snake__ needs to get kicked out so I can pm...04:14
M_Cheevydid you register with nickserv?04:14
bimberiSnake__: /msg nickserv ghost Snake__ <password>04:14
Snake____I did under snake__04:14
bimberier, Snake____ ^^^04:15
Snake____Thanks :)04:15
M_Cheevynow just change your nick back to what nickserv knows and re-ident yourself04:15
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Snake__Yay04:15
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Snake__Thats so cool..if someone takes my name I can just kick em off04:15
M_CheevyI often irc from my laptop (wireless) so have gotten to know the ghost command pretty well04:15
M_Cheevythat's the idea of nickserv ;)04:16
Hobbseeghost is definetly useful04:18
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M_Cheevygot that right hobbsee04:19
M_CheevyI'm assuming you got that from calvin &?04:19
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Hobbsee_awayme?  no04:19
Hobbsee_awaynope, not at all04:19
Hobbsee_awayit's a nickname i've had for many years04:19
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ice9wine repositories don't work04:24
ice9how do you install wine ?04:24
bimberiice9: what repo are you using?04:24
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ice9deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/04:25
ice9deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/04:25
bimberiice9: hm, ok, that's what i used (a couple of weeks ago) - what's the error?04:25
ice9E: Malformed line 40 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse)04:26
ice9E: The list of sources could not be read.04:26
ice9Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.04:26
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ice9The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences.04:27
bimberiice9: ok, paste line 40 of /etc/apt/sources.list04:27
ice9eb-src deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/ http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt binary/ source/04:27
bimberiice9: ah, should be a newline between "...source/" and "http..."04:28
ice9one sec04:28
bimberiice9: there should be two lines - jus tlike the two you posted above04:29
ice9Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.04:30
ice9This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or04:30
ice9is only available from another source04:30
ice9E: Package wine has no installation candidate04:30
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ice9deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/04:31
ice9deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/04:31
ice9and thats what I have04:31
ice9exactly like winehq04:31
bimberidid you sudo apt-get update ?04:31
ice9yep04:31
ice9hmm04:32
ice9what did I do wrong04:33
bimberiice9: ok, paste the whole sources.list to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com04:33
ice9k04:33
ice9http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/47458804:35
ice9is that right  ?04:36
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fit4lfe!chroot04:48
ubotuwell, chroot is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2457504:48
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bimberifit4lfe: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10188404:54
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xtacocorexanyone have an idea as to why my external usb harddrive suddenly doesn't work?05:27
xtacocorexthe last i used it was playing ogg files off of it in winxp at work, but i didn't clear the windows media playlist05:28
xtacocorexcould it be that the program locked the drive so i can't read it now when i'm chillin in kubuntu?05:28
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xtacocorexdmesg does pick up the drive when it's plugged it, just won't mount it like it used to05:31
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blankyhey guys05:42
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ArthurBHi, is xorg 7.0 coming to breezy ?05:42
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fit4lfeok I got problems with my repositories on chroot05:44
fit4lfecan some one help05:44
naliothArthurB: it is not05:44
ArthurB:(05:44
naliothArthurB: with a 6 month release cycle, there are many feature freezes05:44
xtacocorexnalioth: can't they backport it if it fixes security issues?05:45
ArthurByeah but is there a semi official package ?05:45
fit4lfehttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com/47463505:45
seth_k|lappyxtacocorex, security issues are backported on a case-by-case basis with small patches, not by backporting the whole of Xorg 705:46
naliothxtacocorex: all security issues for the current xorg will appear. backporting xorg may be more than they want to tackle05:46
seth_k|lappys/may/will/ :P05:46
ArthurBok ok but is there a package available that will not break my kubuntu05:46
seth_k|lappyno.05:46
xtacocorexah, thanks for the info05:46
seth_k|lappyjust upgrade to dapper if you want xorg7 that badly05:46
seth_k|lappyI'm running it right now :)05:46
ArthurBdapper ?05:47
seth_k|lappyyeah05:47
ArthurBis it the successor to breezy ?05:47
seth_k|lappyindeed05:47
ArthurBit has xorg 7.0 ?05:47
fit4lfecan anyone take a look at that pls05:47
fit4lfehttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com/47463505:48
seth_k|lappyRight now it has 7.0 RC 405:48
xtacocorexfit4lfe: i'm looking at it, but i don't know what you did05:48
ArthurBwhat animal is dapper ?05:48
seth_k|lappya Drake05:48
seth_k|lappy(duck)05:48
ArthurBoh cool05:48
seth_k|lappyfit4lfe, kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list05:48
seth_k|lappyfit4lfe, remove the cdrom lines05:48
fit4lfeis that it05:48
seth_k|lappyfit4lfe, then save the file, close, and "sudo apt-get update"05:48
seth_k|lappyyup05:48
fit4lfek05:49
ArthurBsudo apt-get dist-upgrade .... mommy I'm scared05:49
seth_k|lappyhaha05:49
fit4lfeso just remove the first line then05:49
seth_k|lappywell right now, nothing's broken05:49
seth_k|lappyfit4lfe, correct05:49
fit4lfek thx05:49
seth_k|lappyArthurB, you'll even get Firefox 1.505:49
ArthurBNeed to get 526Mo out of Archive05:49
ArthurBouf05:49
ArthurBur05:50
ArthurBlet's go05:50
ArthurBNeed to get 562MB of archives. After unpacking 25.7MB disk space will be freed.05:50
ArthurBlol05:50
ArthurBLOOOL05:50
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ArthurB:)05:52
ArthurB265kB/s05:53
ArthurBThis release of kubuntu is brought to you by your neighbour's broadband05:53
fit4lfesynaptic:3344): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.05:53
fit4lfe        Using the fallback 'C' locale.05:53
fit4lfe_X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for localhost:6000: Name or service not known05:53
fit4lfe(synaptic:3344): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:05:53
fit4lfehow about this05:53
fit4lfeits in my chroot05:53
ArthurBshit 33005:53
bimberilol ArthurB05:53
fit4lfehow can I correct this05:53
seth_k|lappyArthurB, language please05:53
seth_k|lappyfit4lfe, does that error actually cause synaptic to bomb out?05:54
fit4lfeyes05:54
ArthurBshouldn't language filterting be client side ?05:54
fit4lfein my 32 chroot yes05:54
bimberilol @ "your neighbour's broadband" that was :P05:54
seth_k|lappyfit4lfe, little clue. I would guess that something from the chroot doesn't map correctly.05:55
ArthurBthis wouldn't be possible without the marvels of default wifi confs05:55
ArthurBHI neighbour ? Ya running etheral ?05:55
fit4lfeI don't even know where to start05:55
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kwtmIs there some way to get at the KDE Hardware module under System Settings (KControl)?  Ubuntu seems to have disabled it, and I can't get the required info to get my video card working.06:03
blankyhey guys, i installed kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu, but it's extremeely slow (I have 2.5 ghz, 512mb, 40 gigs). Would it be faster if I just install the OS?06:04
blankyanyone?06:06
kwtmblanky: No idea; I just installed kUbuntu directly.06:06
naliothblanky: no.06:06
kwtmHey, when you add the kubuntu-desktop, do you get the Hardware module under system settings?  Ie. is there such an entry?06:07
blankynalioth, seruosly? i KNOW that my pc could run this faster, i dont know why it's goign this slow, even a live cd with kde is faster06:07
blankykwtm, you have kubuntu-desktop or the OS06:07
naliothblanky: running "kubuntu by itself" isnt any different than running kubuntu with x/e/f/ubuntu installed also06:08
blankyiow, did you install from the CD or did you get kubuntu-desktop from aptitude/synaptic06:08
kwtmI have the OS; ie. no GNOME was ever installed.  (Of course, Kubuntu the distro contains kubuntu-desktop)06:08
blankynalioth, man, I just dont know why it's going this slow man. let me restart, i doubt it'll fix anything06:08
kwtmSometimes KDE slows down.  Someone once told me06:08
blankyLOL06:09
kwtmthat it might be because of unnecessary config files that the system has to muddle through.06:09
blankythis is insane though, if i could record it in video i'd send you the video file06:09
blankyit's not even funny06:09
blankylet me try and restart06:09
kwtmblanky, don't, not yet.06:09
blankykwtm, okay waht06:09
kwtmTry instead to rename your .kde directory, so it won't find it.06:09
naliothblanky: a complete restart may not be necessary06:09
kwtmTHen it will reinstall.  You restart from a ffresh install.  Maybe that will speed it up.06:09
kwtmIf it does, then you know you need to selectively move only06:09
blankyi remember my kubuntu-desktop was ALOT faster last time i installed it (i uninstalled it last time and the .kde folder was still there)06:10
fit4lfehow do you start applications in chroot06:10
kwtmwhat you need from the old .kde directory to your new .kde directory.06:10
fit4lfelike firefox06:10
blankykwtm, yeah maybe, because my .kde directory remained there from my last uninstall06:10
blankyyou might be right kwtm! let me try06:10
blankyrofl, so slooow, if i could even get to that06:10
kwtmfit4lfe: don't hae experience with chroot.  I think the command is "chroot firefox", but then you have to make sure that the chroot jail contains all the necessary files.06:11
kwtmfit4lfe: I don't know if you need to reproduce the /dev directories and all that.  Not sure.06:11
blankyhow do you view hidden files and folders in konqueror06:12
blankyin nautilus you just do CTRL+H06:13
xtacocorexblanky: in the view menu, selest the show hidden files option06:13
blankyyeah i did that, thanks xtacocorex, i was looking for a shortcut06:13
blankyokay kwtm, i renamed it06:13
xtacocorexblanky: oh, i don't know one06:14
blankyxtacocorex, its okay06:14
blankykwtm you there bud?06:14
blankyI renamed it, now do I restart?06:14
blankykwtm!!!! :'(06:14
blankyi'll restart, later buds!06:15
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blankyKWTM IT WORKED!06:22
blankyTHANKS!06:22
kwtmHey!06:22
blanky:)06:22
kwtmOkay, so now you have to figure out what to copy.06:22
blankythanks man!06:22
blankykwtm, nah, I dont wanna copy nothin06:23
kwtmYou will find all the config files under06:23
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blanky.blah, which is what i renamed it06:23
kwtmblanky: -- okay, but just in case you want to do this again:06:23
blankyokay06:23
kwtmblanky: It's under ~/.kde/share/config/[applicationname] rc06:24
kwtmFor example, ,kde/share/config/konquerorrc06:24
blankyokay06:24
kwtmThat way, if you set up stuff just the way you like, you can copy those files.  Then you can forget the rest.06:24
blankyokay :)06:24
kwtmOkay, I'm going to figure other stuff out. :)  See ya!06:24
ejofeewhat is magic sysrq?06:25
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blankyby kwtm, thanks06:27
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blankyhow can i change the format in which my clock on the bottom right is displayed, i dont like 24 hour format06:37
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xtacocorexblanky: the 'country/regional & language' under the 'regional & accessibility' menu in kcontrol06:39
xtacocorexmight need to use sudo06:40
xtacocorexmaybe not06:40
blankyxtacocorex, okay06:40
xtacocorexblanky: there is a time and date tab, the time that you want is formatted starting with pH:06:41
blankyxtacocorex, whta do i change it to, i want to change it from 24 hour format to 12 hour format06:41
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blankyxtacocorex, please? Sorry man, I'm a noob at this kde stuff lol06:42
xtacocorexblanky: there is a down arrow for the combo box labeled time format that has formats in it06:42
blankythanks buddy!06:43
xtacocorexblanky: glad to help06:43
blankyxtacocorex, i changed it and it said settings applied and all, but it apparently it hasn't changed lol06:44
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xtacocorexblanky: i think the clock changes on a restart, but i can't be sure on that06:45
blankyxtacocorex, okay thanks bud!06:45
blankyhey, i have extra buttons on my mouse, is there any way to bind those to certain keys or combinations of keys?06:45
xtacocorexblanky: hopefully that works, if not, i led you astray06:45
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blankyxtacocorex, lol dont worry bud06:45
blankywhat can I do to list the processes06:46
xtacocorexblanky: there are many ways: running ksysguard (gui), from the command line you can use top06:46
xtacocorexblanky: top is a looping program, so if you want to have it run once use top -b -n106:46
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blankyxtacocorex, looping program?06:47
xtacocorexblanky: it keeps updating itself in the terminal window, so you have to type q to exit the program06:47
blankylol okay06:48
blankyksysguard right?06:48
xtacocorexblanky: yes06:48
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xtacocorexblanky: good luck with everything, i must take my dog outside and then head to bed06:52
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angasulewhat's the difference between vim-gtk and vim-gnome? they seem to be the same package06:53
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blankyxtacocorex_sleep, okay06:54
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M_Cheevyanyone feel up to debugging a cd/dvd eject permissions problem?06:54
ArthurBok the dl is done06:55
ArthurBhere come the painful conflicts06:55
ArthurBI bet 5/1 on a Package X needs Package Y but it's not going to be installed at some time06:55
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Snake__!lart07:00
Snake__lol07:00
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smonkeyDoes it strinke anyone else as odd that Ubuntu provides reiser4 programs, but the kernels have no support for reiser4?07:02
theCoreSnake__: lart has been disabled07:02
Snake__Whats it do07:03
Snake__thats all im wontin07:03
Snake__wondering(07:03
theCoreSnake__: it make ubotu chop your head ;-)07:03
Snake__...07:03
theCoreSnake__: btw, lart mean "Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool"07:07
Snake__thats beautiful. What does it do!07:07
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=== Topic for #kubuntu: Dapper Flight 2 out | KDE 3.5 is out http://tinyurl.com/dlrf9 (the KPDF problem is fixed in the latest packages) | Breezy fixes in breezy-updates | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de | Please don't paste into the channel: use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com | IRC info and channels in other languages: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat
=== Topic (#kubuntu): set by kangpeh at Sat Dec 17 00:27:37 2005
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treakathhey brad09:43
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linlinhi im looking for info to get a soundblaster pro 5.1 live gold edition sound card working any way possible.09:46
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reonAny ideas why Kate does not want to work with sudo ??? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/47474209:55
neoncodereon: don't use sudo with grapical apps like that just kdesu "kdesu kate"09:55
reonkdesu kate just hangs ?09:57
reonneoncode: is their a simpler/vanilla text editor like 'gedit' available ?09:58
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neoncodereon: dunno... VIM? emacs?09:59
reonneoncode:I just installed gedit with all of its gnome bagage10:00
linlinhow do i install vlc media player ?10:01
sampanlinlin, if you have the universe repositories enabled, you can install vlc either via adept/synaptic/aptitude, or by (in console) sudo apt-get install vlc10:03
linlinok yeah i just did that actually, right after i asked i answered my own question :p10:03
sampan;)10:03
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linlinok, this is a bit more complicated, i ran sudo apt-get install kftpgrabber and it came up that theres no packages found10:07
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linlindoes this mean its not in the repos?10:07
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reonHow would one install KDE3.5 ?10:10
sampanreon, start by reading the topic?10:10
reonsampan: yes, added repo. got keys. Best I just go to the forum rather.10:11
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sampanlinlin, apt-cache search kftpgrabber draws a blank for me too10:13
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linlindarn10:15
sampanreon, if you've added the source and key then it's just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade10:15
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linlinsomeone should really add it to the repos :)10:15
neoncodelinlin: Don't look at me10:15
linlini would if i knew how10:15
reonsampan: Thanks, did that, clicked the full upgrade button and closed it as I was expecting other upgrades. I know see it is actually busy downloading/installing 3.5.10:16
sampanreon, cool :)  hope it works well for you10:16
linlinchecking for X..... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths10:17
reonsampan: So hopefully all is well in a few minutes from now.10:17
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sampan!xincludes10:17
ubotuWhen a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev10:17
linlinany ideas :-( ?10:17
sampanlinlin, yep -- read ubotu's line above ;)10:17
linlinsudo apt-get install xlibs-dev xlibs-static-dev x-window-system-dev work?10:18
kkathmanyep10:19
kkathmanthats them10:19
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sampannight kkathman-zzzz :)10:20
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kkathman-zzzznight sampan :)10:20
sampannight john boy10:21
linlin!qtincludes10:21
ubotuNot a clue, linlin10:21
sampannight mary ellen10:21
linlinim looking for Qt headers and libraries now10:21
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sampan!qtheaders10:23
ubotusampan: Did you get hit by a windmill?10:23
sampan:/10:23
linlinstay away from the windmills10:23
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treakathhey all10:23
reonI think sampan is going to sleep....10:23
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linlin!libjpeg10:26
ubotulinlin: I don't know, could you explain it?10:26
linlin!libjpg10:26
ubotuNO SPEAKE ENLISH!, linlin10:26
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melonipoikahi, can ayone tell me how to make kdm defualt? at the moment my default session is gnome, and i would make kde the default one...10:28
sampanmelonipoika  assuming you've installed kubuntu-desktop or kde, log out, and log back in but make sure to choose KDE "session" (should be a clickable label: session), then choose "make default" when it asks whether to make kde the default or "just for this session"10:31
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melonipoikasampan, my default session manager is kde, and it doesn't offer me this possibility, i think only gnome one is asking that... do you know how to do it once loged in?10:32
sampanmelonipoika  i'm confused now.  you asked how to make kde default, but now are saying it is the default?10:34
melonipoikasorry, i will try to explain myself10:34
melonipoikamy default session manager is kde, that is, the screen where you choose the user and so on10:34
melonipoikabut my default session is gnome :D10:35
melonipoikaand that is what i want to change to kde10:35
melonipoika(once i log in)10:35
matsHi, I'm not able to burn dvd's reliably. K3b data verification fails du to differences in md5sum. I'm trying to burn gzipped tarballs atm. They are fine on my hd but get corrupted on the dvd. This happens on both dvd-rw and +rw discs. Can someone help?10:35
sampanhrmmmmmm ... afaik, kdm should let you set kde as the default at the log in screen -- at least, i'm pretty sure that's exactly how i did it (installed kubuntu-desktop, set my dm to kdm, instead of gdm) and next login clicked "session" and set kde to default10:36
melonipoikaok, i will look again the next time i log in, but i couldn't find the "make default" option...10:37
sampanmelonipoika  iirc if you choose a session that isn't already set to default it will pop up a dialog box asking if you want to make the DE (kde/gnome/xfce/fluxbox, or whatever you're using) the default or if you want it to be just for that one session10:39
sampani only logout/in about once every 4 months though, so maybe my memory is not so good ;/10:39
melonipoikasorry, it is not asking that, it was asking that when using the gdm, but not anymore in kdm10:39
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Kalidarnlol10:40
Kalidarnfinally re-installed10:40
sampanmelonipoika  hrmmmmm, like i said, i use kdm and i'm pretty sure it has asked me10:40
Kalidarnnow its all working good, had to build my workstation from scraps too10:40
Kalidarnbefore i could set up a pxe server10:40
melonipoikaok, i don't know, at least i can't see it10:41
melonipoikaso is there any way to change that configuration once loged in? i mean, changing any config file?10:41
Kalidarnis mozilla firefox 1.5 in the repo yet?10:42
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aeon17xKalidarn: nowhere in Breezy.10:44
Kalidarn:(10:45
Kalidarni might find it in a debian one10:45
Kalidarnill wait till i install KDE 3.5 tonight10:45
aeon17xKalidarn: just download it from the Mozilla website and extract it in your home folder.10:45
Kalidarnoh u can can u?10:45
Kalidarnhehe10:45
aeon17xCreate a launcher for the firefox executable and you're set.10:45
aeon17xMuch faster too.10:46
Kalidarnyeah i will10:46
melonipoikais it possible to delete the old 1.0 firefox after istalling the 1.5 one from mozilla website?10:46
Kalidarnprobably, i havn't got any firefox on here at the moment10:47
Kalidarnonly ubuntu comes with firefox 1.0.7 (kubuntu doesn't come with it)10:47
aeon17xmelonipoika: just remove it through apt-get.10:48
melonipoikabut then 1.5 version will continue running with all the plugins without problems?10:48
_newbie_This isn't a linux question and i a admit that im not good at english (well it's not my main language) but is it "is or are" after the sentence "Will and Grace __"?10:48
sampannewbie if "Will and Grace" is a title of a show (i.e., a singular noun) then "is" is the proper verb.  if "Will and Grace" is referring to two individuals, then it's a plural noun and "are" should be used10:50
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_newbie_sampan: Thanks!10:50
sampansure :)10:50
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carretcadizsabeis si los nuevos drivers de nvidia traen la pantalla inicial como antes10:51
carretcadizhe que instalado los drivers de nvidia en kubuntu pero no me sale la pantalla inicial pero en cambio arranca el kde10:52
carretcadizsabeis por que10:52
melonipoikacarretcadiz: ests en un foro en ingls :D10:53
carretcadizperdon10:54
carretcadizexcuse me10:54
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linlinhow do i install wine on kubuntu11:00
linlin!wine11:00
buzis there any place to get OOo 2.0.1 debs?11:01
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xiaogilhi11:13
xiaogilwhere can i find screenshots of kubuntu to show it to my cousin11:13
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xiaogil?11:13
Kamping_Kaiserbuz: backports (ask the bot for details)11:14
buzmhh i have backports active11:14
buzlemme see11:14
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buzi dont think it lives in backports so far11:15
Kamping_Kaiserthen the only uubuntu debs are in dapper11:16
buzthe linux.cz debs were nice but so far they only got czech debs there11:16
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buzmhh oo2 lives at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=97595 and will get updates over time it seems11:20
zenlunaticwhy is my konqueror so slow?11:20
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linlin!kdelibs11:21
ubotulinlin: Wish i knew11:21
linlin!kde11:21
ubotuwell, kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/11:21
linlin!kdeheaders11:21
ubotulinlin: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about11:21
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buz[oo]  "breezy-updates for 2.0.1 are planned, if all goes well. I'll keep everyone updated on that"11:22
buzok i'll just wait then11:22
linlinchecking for KDE... configure: error:11:23
linlinin the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.11:23
linlinSo, check this please and use another prefix!11:23
linlinwhat should i do11:23
rraphinkdid you install kdelibs4-dev linlin ?11:24
linlinno thankyou, installing now11:25
zenlunaticanybody have tips for speeding up konqueror?11:26
rraphinkjust  wondering, what are you compiling and are you sure you need to linlin ?11:26
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linlinyes11:27
linlinthe program i need is called kftpgrabber11:27
linlinits not in any repos, sadly11:27
Kalidarnhmm is there a way of installing firefox 1.5 in kubuntu without installing 1.0.711:27
Kalidarnthe guide @ wiki.ubuntu.com assumes i am replacing an old version11:27
linlini'd like to learn how to add it to the repos for everyone else if that spossible11:29
buzKalidarn: you can install the tarball from mozilla in your homedir an run it from there11:29
buzthats what i do11:29
Kalidarnyeah i downloaded the tar.gz and extracted it, which is the run binary?11:29
Kalidarnthey don't seem to work when i click on them lol11:30
PupenoIs Linux on Dapper compiled for real-time scheduling ?11:30
Pupenolinlin: for that you have to make a .deb, and then submit it for inclusion or make your own repo (I have my own repo).11:31
Pupenolinlin: if you don't know how to make a .deb, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html is a good place to start.11:32
rraphinklinlin: come to #ubuntu-motu for that11:32
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buzanyone already tried installing the new xorg on breezy?11:33
raphinklinlin: if you want to learn to package, begin with reading the Debian New Maintainer's Guide11:34
raphinkthen come to #ubuntu-motu :)11:34
linlinoh ok ;)11:34
linlinill get to that11:35
raphinkgood :)11:35
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_tomashi12:03
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Chameleon22howdy all12:20
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Chameleon22reinstalled kubuntu, all fonts appear a bit rugged so to speak. Any ideas on what pkgs i needs for new fonts to smooth them out or something?12:21
Kamping_Kaiserhi Chameleon22 :)12:21
hugelmopfChameleon22: is anti-aliasing activated? (check in "system settings" - "appearance")12:23
Chameleon22hugelmopf, ye it is12:23
hugelmopfChameleon22: what if you try different fonts (like "bitstream vera" or "dejavu")?12:25
Chameleon22dejavu sucks12:25
Chameleon22bitstr.. about to try12:25
hugelmopfotherwise i don't know what could help.12:27
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treakathhey all;12:30
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igorayebAnyone know what happened whith etherApe, hes donto start only open a windows.12:38
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Chameleon22is there any way to troubleshoot sound ?12:41
Chameleon22hear no sound but xmms seems to be playing, no mute, sound is up12:41
Chameleon22:(12:41
Chameleon22pc with no music is almost usless (no internet and it is useless hehehe)12:42
igorayebAnyone know what happened whith etherApe, her donto start only open a windows.12:42
callieChameleon22: do you have sound for other apps?12:43
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Chameleon22callie, not at all12:44
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callieok, i take it this is a new install then Chameleon22 ?12:44
JochenHey people! I discovered kubuntu has problems with the latest nvidia drivers!12:45
Chameleon22Jochen, hehe yeah took me 6 hours to find that this morning12:45
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Chameleon22callie, it is a new install but mp3 libs are installed (as in restricted)12:46
Chameleon22callie, unless you have something else in mind12:46
JochenI am removing the nvidia packages from adept, and install the package from nvidia again.12:46
igorayebAnyone know what happened whith etherApe, her donto start only open a windows.12:46
JochenPerhaps they do bite each other12:46
Chameleon22not me igorayeb12:47
Chameleon22Jochen, do you actualy have a question ?12:47
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igorayebChameleon22: thanks.12:47
Chameleon22callie, ?12:47
JochenBecause when I took a look in the /var/log/messages I found the kernel message something about NVIDIA GRE missmatch12:47
raitchevis there kernel 2.6.14 in .deb package?12:47
calliewell, have you tried playing with the audio settings in kde?12:47
Chameleon22callie, yeah12:48
callieok what card do you have?12:48
JochenI try my luck, see you later12:48
Jochenbye12:48
Chameleon22callie, SB12:48
callieSB what? audigy?12:49
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Chameleon22sound blaster live or something with 5.1 support12:50
callietyped this and paste the output in #flood12:51
calliesudo lspci12:51
Chameleon22can paste here, 2 lines you interested in are:12:52
Chameleon22Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a)12:52
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calliecool12:52
Chameleon22and, Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 0a)12:52
callienow paste the output of lsmod12:52
calliebut in #flood12:53
Chameleon22damn huge12:53
callieyeah12:53
Chameleon22what should i be grapping for?12:53
calliejust shove the whole lot in #flood12:53
Chameleon22k hold up12:53
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JochenSolved the NVIDIA Problem!12:55
Chameleon22callie, worked on other machine (same card), only thing i can think of is a conflict with onboard sound card12:55
Chameleon22but dont want to use that12:56
Chameleon22weldone Jochen12:56
Jochennvidia packages headers, modules and include files must be uninstalled with the Adept system12:56
Jochenthen install the nvidia package from nvidia.com with "sudo sh NVIDIA..."12:56
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calliewell, you could try disabling it from your bios, but im running two soundcards here no problem12:56
Jochenbut before kill the Xserver with "sudo killall kdm"12:56
Jochenthat's all!12:56
Jochenrestart the system and you'll see no problems appear anymore12:57
raitchevyou can do that with every apt packet manager12:57
raitchevlike aptitude or simple apt-get remove12:57
raitchevnot only with adept :)12:57
JochenHey, I am a kubuntu newby :)12:57
drynishIs there a packages manager for kde?12:58
IceCreamMattwhere do newbs go for help?12:58
JochenHaver mercy with me!12:58
Jochen:)12:58
callieChameleon22: at least you have all the mods installed12:58
drynishlike synaptic12:58
Chameleon22callie, just double checked, definately a conflict since onboard plays12:58
callieChameleon22: there you go then ;)12:58
JochenWhat is the core difference between debain and ubuntu server?12:58
Jochendebian, sorry12:58
IceCreamMattI have a question but I dont want to bug you all if this is the wrong area.12:58
Chameleon22callie, so how do i disable?12:58
callieshould be an option for your onboard devices in your bios12:59
Chameleon22callie, k will look12:59
JochenThe other question is, if I run a AMD64bit opteron server, are packages and security updates also offered for that architecture?12:59
JochenThis is the question I am asking myself all the time12:59
raitchevJochen, do you have personal life12:59
Jochenwhat?!01:00
raitchevnothning01:00
callielol01:00
raitchevnothing*01:00
drynishhehhe :)01:00
JochenWhy have you asked me this question?!01:00
Jochenhmmmm... NO!01:00
raitchevthink a little01:00
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raitchevand you will get the joke01:00
JochenI am not married, no girlfriend, I am a unix lover and I love programming at all!01:00
Jochenhahaha01:00
Jochen:)01:00
raitchevyou say that01:01
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Chameleon22exit01:01
Chameleon22woops01:01
callielol01:01
IceCreamMattI have a question about apache. when I do "sudo apt-get remove apache2" it still is running what am I doing wrong?01:01
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JochenAre you now feeling satisfied with my answer?!01:01
Jochenraitchev: YESSSSSSSSS01:02
Jochenhahahaha01:02
raitchevrelax01:03
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IceCreamMattI have a question about apache. when I do "sudo apt-get remove apache2" it still is running what am I doing wrong?01:05
IceCreamMattif im asking in the wrong spot please tell me01:05
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buzit should usually get stopped01:06
IceCreamMattthats what I figured01:06
IceCreamMattbut im at least doing it right01:06
IceCreamMattDo I need to restart?01:06
buzno01:07
buzunless you mess with the kernel or basic libs, restarts generally arent necessary01:07
IceCreamMattya thats what I thought01:07
IceCreamMattim a xp user but im trying to learn linux. Kubuntu is sweet01:07
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buzwith killall name you can stop the remaining processes01:09
IceCreamMattok01:09
IceCreamMattill try that01:09
IceCreamMattit wants an extra option like list if I do killall01:12
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calliei still cant resolve my filesharing issues under linux01:12
buzextra option like what01:13
calliei get great downloads from windows01:13
IceCreamMattif i do killall it shows like a list of options01:13
IceCreamMattlike killall -l01:13
buzshould not01:13
buzkillall apache or some such should do the job01:13
buzbut you need to be root for that to work01:13
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callieor use sudo killall01:14
IceCreamMattok01:14
IceCreamMattstill is showing that list01:14
IceCreamMattsudo killall apache201:14
IceCreamMattdidnt do anything after that01:14
linlinhow can i completly remove and reinstall the kubuntu part of kubuntu, if that makes any sence01:15
calliestrangely it doesnt01:16
calliedo you mean KDE?01:16
linlinyeah01:16
linlinsomething got messed up with kde01:16
linlini need to reinstall it01:16
linlinall of it01:16
calliewhats messed up?01:16
linlinwell, when one of the users goes to login it hangs at restoring session01:16
linlinother users work fine01:16
calliewell you dont need to reinstall kde for that01:17
linlinmaybe you can help me out then01:17
IceCreamMattI think that kill all worked01:17
IceCreamMattya it worke01:18
IceCreamMattthanks01:19
linlinany ideas callie?01:19
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callieperhaps removing the session info might work01:20
calliewell dont remove it but move it somewhere else01:20
callieyou should be able to log in without restoring the session though01:20
linlinhow01:20
calliethere's an option for it in the login screen01:20
calliethen once logged in setup the session how you want it and then save a new session file01:21
linlinwhich option should i pick01:22
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callieim not sure what its called hang on01:23
callieif you click on session type you can select failsafe01:23
callie;)01:23
TraziRe01:24
linlinok so ive jsut got an xterm now01:25
linlinwhat should i do to try to fix this from within that01:25
IceCreamMattthe apache process started up again after I reloaded the server01:25
calliein the kde menu you can then save the session and that will become your default session01:26
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igorayebChameleon22: thanks.01:31
igorayebAnyone know what happened whith etherApe, her donto start only open a windows.01:31
IceCreamMattif anyone was wondering why apache wouldnt stop working its because I was doing apt-get remove apache2 instead of apt-get remove apache2-common01:35
calliestopping a process is not the same as uninstalling01:36
IceCreamMattya01:36
IceCreamMattbut i was trying to uninstall it and it wouldnt go away01:36
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IceCreamMattbut I had 2 installs I guess01:36
calliei doubt01:37
calliehow can you have 2 installs?01:37
IceCreamMatti did sudo apt-get install apache201:37
xtacocorex!metapackage01:37
ubotuA meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.01:37
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IceCreamMattand when i tried uninstalling it it wouldnt stop running apache01:37
calliei dont think you can uninstall if the process is running01:38
IceCreamMattit stopped the process first01:38
xtacocorexif its a service, it'll stop it and then uninstall01:38
IceCreamMattbut that was when i did remove apache2-common01:38
IceCreamMattwhen i just did remove apache2 it didnt say anything about stopping the process01:38
xtacocorexapache2 is most likely a metapackage01:39
IceCreamMattso it must have just been wrong01:39
IceCreamMattok01:39
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IceCreamMattafter reading metapackage it makes more sense01:39
IceCreamMattanyways thanks for your help. I have to go now01:39
xtacocorexadios01:39
xtacocorexgood luck01:39
igorayebAnyone know what happened whith etherApe, her donto start only open a windows.01:40
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igorayebAnyone know what happened whith etherApe, her donto start only open a windows.01:47
Kamping_Kaisertry launching it with kdesu01:47
igorayebKamping_Kaiser: what i do01:49
igorayebwhere i open kdesu01:49
Kamping_Kaiserigorayeb: click "K" -> "run" -> type "kdesu etherape" and put in your password when it asks01:50
igorayebsame problem.01:50
Kamping_Kaiserbugger :(01:51
igorayebI thank hes dont know my ethernet conection01:51
igorayebi open one time bub hes says dont know eth001:51
igorayeb:S01:51
igorayebbut i connect whith eth0.01:51
Kamping_Kaiser:( bugger01:51
raffaeleciao, c' qualche italiano in chat?01:52
igorayebraffaele: you dont speak inglish01:52
raffaeleigorayeb: not very well01:53
raffaeleigorayeb: I am a problem01:53
raffaelewhen i do "apt-get upgrade"01:53
raffaeleConfiguro mozilla-firefox-locale-it (1.0-1ubuntu1) ...01:53
raffaele/var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-locale-it.postinst: line 11: update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: command not found01:54
raffaeledpkg: errore processando mozilla-firefox-locale-it (--configure):01:54
raffaele il sottoprocesso post-installation script ha restituito un codice di errore 12701:54
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igorayebraffaele: install this with the adapt01:59
raffaeleadapt don't resolve the problem02:00
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raffaeleigorayeb: another question, in kubuntu how start firefox?02:02
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apokryphosraffaele: from the start menu or from alt+f202:04
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raffaeleapokryphos: in my kubuntu (base installation) firefox is not in the startmenu! whi?02:04
raffaele*standard installation :P02:05
apokryphosraffaele: because it doesn't come with firefox, of course02:05
apokryphosfirefox is GTK02:05
igorayebno no do alt + f2 and type firefox02:05
igorayebyah02:05
igorayebbecause the GTK02:05
apokryphosKubuntu's browser is the magnificent Konqueror :P02:05
igorayebif you start on prompt hes return an erro GTK..02:05
apokryphoswhat?02:05
raffaelefirefox don't start!!!02:06
Riddell_firefox is XUL02:06
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igorayebaeheauheaauhe02:06
apokryphosraffaele: that's because you don't have it. Fire up Kubuntu's package manager (Adept) and install it if you like02:06
igorayebreturn erro02:06
igorayebyah you have to install the language it suport02:06
raffaeleapokryphos: the name of pakage is?02:06
apokryphosraffaele: search for firefox02:06
igorayeblet me see02:07
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apokryphosRiddell: oh, but relies on GTK?02:07
apokryphos(though the one in ubuntu relies on gnome libs too iirc)02:07
igorayebraffaele: language suppoty it02:07
Riddellapokryphos: yes, XUL uses gtk for various things, so you're correct too :)02:08
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raffaeleigorayeb: apokryphos: mozilla-firefox-locale-it is istalled!02:08
chopemaxhi, which program could I use to write circular text? (oo.org 2.0 has an option but i wasn't able to change the font)02:08
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igorayebnooo but you have to install the support to it02:09
igorayebgo in adept02:09
apokryphosraffaele: you want the italian language pack for firefox?02:09
raffaelebut firefox isn't in the standard installation of kubuntu?02:10
igorayebno02:11
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raffaelewhit adept, can i install "firefox" or "mozilla-firefox"?02:12
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raffaelewhat are the different?02:12
igorayebraffaele: i downloadsed my firefox on the www.mozill.org and install02:13
igorayebis more easy02:13
apokryphosraffaele: install mozilla-firefox02:13
raffaeleigorayeb: is a .deb?02:13
apokryphosraffaele: and no, it isn't in the standard install because Kubuntu uses Konqueror for web browser by default02:13
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igorayebbut i'm brazillian and  use the firefox in  inglish02:14
igorayebraffaele: is a bin...02:14
igorayeb./pakeg02:14
apokryphosno need to get the one from mozilla.org02:14
raffaelei use the package mozilla-firefox, ok? (whit adept)02:14
chakie_workspeaking of packages, anyone know of qt 4.1 packages?02:15
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apokryphosraffaele: yes02:15
apokryphoschakie_work: quite sure there wouldn't be any yet02:15
chakie_workapokryphos: ok02:17
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dabugashi02:30
dabugasi get a "Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" for the universe when i "apt-get update" from two different repositories. any ideas?02:31
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gregwa1953anyone there willing/able to discuss issues with dapper?02:40
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Snake|SleepingAnyone ever used GNU screen?03:03
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Snake__Heres a noob question:03:27
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chakie_workhm, wonder if skype works on kubuntu03:27
Benixhi03:27
Snake__How do I get mozilla to be my default question??03:27
psykeSnake__: default browser?03:28
BenixWoe can i see which wlandriver/module i am using?03:28
Snake__err ya03:28
Snake__psyke: yes03:28
Snake__lol03:28
Snake__Sorry, just woke up03:28
psykeI saw where you set it a while ago, let me find it again03:28
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Benix??03:30
kinfoi don't understand.03:30
Benixi guess its just a simple cat command, isnt it?03:31
Snake__Benix: try ... hold on03:32
Snake__Benix: did you use ndiswrapper to install?03:32
BenixSnake__, no, kubuntu configured it for me while installing.03:33
Snake__oh okay hang on03:33
Benixthanks03:33
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sharkethello03:34
Snake__Benix: I'm really sorry but I can't find the command03:35
Snake__I know it exists, but I can't remeber it and apropos isn't helping me any03:36
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BenixSnake__, ok, no problem, thanks for trying03:36
Snake__Benix: When you do find out, can you come here and tell me? I'm intrested in knowing03:36
BenixSnake__, shure03:37
Snake__Thanks03:37
Lacertayo03:37
Snake__psyke: any luck?03:37
Lacertai want that cool button that minimizes all windows, how do i do that?03:38
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Snake__In KDE I believe its alt f2..03:38
Snake__Or is that run...03:38
Lacertathat's run03:39
Snake__It might be control F2, play around with it03:39
Chameleon22what app can i use to map/configure multimedia keys on my keyboard. Hotkeys almost do it, but misses few buttons, so yeah ...?03:39
Lacertaoh, yeah03:39
Snake__Lacerta: is it control f2?03:39
Lacertayes03:39
Snake__kk03:39
TsuroerusuYo, I have a few KDE/GNOME issues, and I need a little assistance on it03:39
Lacertabut i'd like to have a button version :/03:39
Snake__mmmm03:39
Snake__I dunno the command for that03:40
Lacertaa script that presses Ctrl + F2? :)03:40
Snake__You could do that, but I don't know how to do that03:40
zenlunaticcan someone help me speed up konq? its so much slower than firefox03:41
Snake__zenlunatic: get firefox :P03:41
TsuroerusuIf I'm logged in as user123 and uses kdesu to start synaptic as root it tries to use the GTK/GNOME theme from user123, but the gtk-qt engine ae a little weird so Synaptic kind of looks "theme-less", is there a way to make kdesu use the root user's GNOME settings?03:41
Snake__I agree with you03:41
BenixSnake__, dmesg look at /proc/drivers03:42
Snake__Thats it!! dmesg03:42
Benixdmesg knows nearly everything ^^03:43
Snake__Yeppers03:43
Snake__I knew it was a important debug command, I just could not remeber it for the life of me03:44
sharketrobotgeek_zzz:  u there ?03:45
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Snake__No hes zzz :)03:46
sharket:(03:46
Snake__:)03:46
Snake__(03:46
Snake__)03:46
Snake__(03:46
Snake__That looks cool03:46
Snake__;)03:46
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sharketwell, can you tell the bot, if it can give more info about nonfreemedia03:47
sharketlike rm03:47
Snake__ubotu: tell sharket about mp303:47
Snake__Its on that page03:47
sharketthx03:48
Chameleon22what app can i use to map/configure multimedia keys on my keyboard. Hotkeys almost do it, but misses few buttons, so yeah ...?03:48
sharket:)03:48
Snake__sharket: also for future refrence, you can talk to the bot as well, just use something like "!mp3" and he'll tell you03:48
sharketvery good03:48
sharket:)03:48
sharkethow are u doing Snake__  ?03:48
Snake__Chameleon22: not sure sorr03:48
Snake__Not bad, yourself?03:48
sharketa little busy and  exausted with this ppc03:49
sharket:S03:49
Snake__Heh03:49
Snake__I gotta go xmas shopping03:49
Snake__lol03:49
sharkethehe03:50
sharketlol03:50
sharketwhere are u from ?03:50
Snake__ohio, USA03:50
sharketah very good03:50
sharketand cold, isn't ?03:51
Snake__Yulp03:51
Snake__I hate it03:51
Snake__(We should probly take it offtopic... lol)03:51
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pointwood!ogg03:53
ubotuNot a clue, pointwood03:53
pointwood!mp303:53
ubotump3 is, like, totally, a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats03:53
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zenlunaticmy sound worked before i installed kubuntu-desktop?04:11
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kervelhello, i have problems with hotplug/pnp: i insert an usb stick, konq wants to mount it on /media/sda, and fails because it is already mounted on /media/256MB04:13
slow-motionhallo04:13
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zenlunaticcan someone help me get my sound working?04:20
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FoodcomanMorning04:58
sharketafternoon :D04:59
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tamuhai friends....05:03
tamucan any one help me..?05:04
tamuhow install xpde in kubuntu?05:04
sharketask ur question05:04
tamumy paket xpde.tar.gz05:05
sharketgunzip xpde.tar.gz05:06
sharkettar -xvf xpde.tar05:06
sharket.Configure05:06
tamuyes it have extracted05:06
sharketmake05:06
sharketand that stuff05:06
tamubut no configure file there05:07
tamuthat only bin folder05:07
sharketany README ?05:07
tamuon05:07
tamuno...05:08
tamuxpde-0.5.0.tar.gz <== my paket downloaded05:08
tamuwhen i extract it be xpde folder no version...05:09
sharket:/05:09
tamun in it only bin folder05:10
sharketthen dunno, sorry man05:10
tamuit oke..05:10
tamuinsted i download in xpde.com where again?05:11
kkathmantamu is there any .sh file there?05:11
kkathmanlike autogen.sh ?05:12
kkathmanor something like that?05:12
tamunothing...05:12
kkathmanwhere did you get the tar from?05:13
sharketThere are a variety of applications that can play streaming video. On05:13
tamuapplets              defaultdesktop  libborqt-6.9-qt2.3.so  startxpde~05:13
tamubplXPColorSelect.so  desktop         startxpde              wm05:13
tamuthat files i get...05:13
kkathmantamu: where did you download it from?05:14
tamuxpde.com05:14
tamuxpde.com05:14
tamuany otherr place?05:14
sharketwho can i see .rm files ??05:14
sharketbecause w32 codecs don't work05:14
sharket (Unfortunately, the w32codecs are generally not useable on the PPC or AMD64 versions of Ubuntu.)05:14
sharket:((05:14
kkathmanit says there is an INSTALL file...did you read that tamu ?05:14
tamunothing...05:15
tamuthat file no there05:15
kkathmanhmm05:15
kkathmanlet me download it and check05:15
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tamuthank's friend...05:16
kkathmanone moment :)05:16
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tamucan i know you friend? i'm indonesian man...05:17
kkathmantamu when I downloaded and untar'd the file, it creates a directory called xpde ..  did you see that?05:18
tamuyes...05:18
kkathmanok cd to xpde and look for INSTALL05:18
tamun what files in it?05:19
tamubin folder..? isn't it?05:19
kkathmantamu: nono05:19
tamuso...05:19
kkathmantamu: where did you download that tar file to?05:19
tamuwww.xpde.com05:20
tamun where you download?05:20
kkathmantamu: I mean when you downloaded the tar file, where did you save it on your disk ?05:20
tamuou.... it i saved in user folder in /home/tamu/aplication05:21
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kkathmantamu: ok excellent... now do this    cd /home/tamu/aplication/xpde05:22
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tamuok a had05:22
kkathmantamu: then type  ls -l05:22
tamui had do it05:22
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kkathmansee if you see INSTALL there05:22
tamuon...05:23
sharketsudo ./xpde.bin05:23
sharkettry that in ur folder :)05:23
kkathmantamu: I will turn you back to shaket since he seems to want to help05:24
tamuok with a minute05:24
kkathmansharket: I was going somewhere with this..but you go right ahead05:24
jpatrickkkathman: afternoon/evening05:25
kkathmanhiya jpatrick Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you :)05:25
tamuok thank's alot kkathman... :)05:25
jpatrickkkathman: and the same to you :)05:25
kkathmantamu: when people interrupt my helping, I stop and let them go because its very confusing to the person being helped to have two people giving them directions05:26
sharketok05:26
kkathmanjpatrick: so how's things on your end?05:26
sharketthen follow what kkathman says05:26
kkathmanno you interrupted..so you finish05:26
jpatrickkkathman: not bad05:26
sharketi'm not going to say nothing more.05:26
kkathmanjpatrick: got all your shopping done?05:27
sharketoh man this is chat not a PM05:27
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jpatrickkkathman: not doing any05:27
sharketpeople can talk toghether, any way this lame is off05:27
tamu<sharket> sudo ./xpde.bin <== it's not work..05:27
kkathmansharket: yes, thats fine, but when there is a problem, there needs to be a diagnostic procedure...someone that needs help cant follow two trains of thought .. they cant be checking an installation direction, and running files05:28
kkathmansharket: I believe that there was a bad install, and thats what I was getting to...so running a bin program might mess things up at this point. There is an INSTALL file that should tell tamu how to install xpde05:30
kkathmanbut apparently thats not there, so Im suspecting something was misdownloaded or installed in the wrong directory05:30
sharketi see05:31
sharketbut is the official page, right ?05:31
kkathmansharket: but if you have installed this before...please continue05:31
sharketdunno05:31
sharketno i didn't05:31
sharketanyway, sorry05:31
kkathmanI downloaded the tar, untarred it and there is an INSTALL file that tells the precise instructions to install it05:32
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jpatrickkkathman: I haven't got any money :|05:32
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kkathmanjpatrick: lol - I have 2 kids in college...neither do I :)05:35
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jpatrickkkathman: I'm getting a laptop so I'm happy (even tho it's second-hand and my (younger) sister got a brand new like 2 days ago)05:36
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kkathmanjpatrick: excellent!! Are you going to put linux on it?05:37
jpatrickkkathman: of course :)05:37
kkathmanhehe terrific!!!05:37
jpatrickHopefully I'll have some sound (after 6 months of a completly mute computer)05:38
ninnghizidhawhere can i tell KDE the action it should use for mousebutton 4?05:39
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tamukkathman : hai friends... how make quick botting?05:40
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fermigier /msg nickserv identify sfsf200405:41
Foodcomanwoops.  ;-)05:41
ninnghizidhacool!05:41
ninnghizidha:-P05:41
fermigierlike you said05:41
jpatrickfermigier: err change your passwd fast!!05:41
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tuxi cant login! it says cant write to home/tux/.ICE authority something....HELP!05:42
sharketlol05:42
tuxlol? :(05:43
sharketwhat did u do tux  ?05:43
jpatrickkkathman: I have been having a rough month tho05:44
kkathmanjpatrick: how so?05:44
tamusharket : how can i make quick botting, what file can i edit?05:44
jpatrickkkathman: girl in school05:45
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tuxsharket: i think i did some sudo chmod stuff....to fix a kde problem...the solution was given to me here itself.05:45
kkathmanjpatrick: ahhh now you know better than to mess with women dude...if it has wheels or wears a skirt, its lots of money and trouble :)05:45
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jpatrickkkathman: well she fancies me05:47
tux:(05:47
kkathmanjpatrick: nothing wrong with that :)05:47
Foodcomanjpatrick: Careful, if you open her shell and touch her directory, you will end up with a new file!05:48
Foodcoman=)05:48
jpatrickFoodcoman: :P05:48
sharketmm05:48
sharketthen u can login in a shell ?05:48
ninnghizidhawhere can i configure gestures?05:49
tuxwhat should be default permissions for home config files?05:49
tuxsharket: yes i can..then?05:49
sharketwhat's ur problem ?05:50
sharketwith kde ?05:50
sharketu can't login in X system, or what ?05:50
sharkettotal 1605:51
sharketdrwxr-xr-x   4 root    root    4096 2005-12-21 19:13 .05:51
sharketdrwxr-xr-x  22 root    root    4096 2005-11-26 16:10 ..05:51
sharketdrwxr-xr-x  26 sharket sharket 4096 2005-12-22 16:09 sharket05:51
sharketsomething like this05:51
sharket:)05:51
kkathman!pastebin05:51
ubotufrom memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org05:51
sharketonle was 4 lines05:51
sharketanyway, ok05:51
tuxsharket: i cant login to kde desktop....im using my bro acount now..05:52
sharketthen copy the permissions05:53
sharketno ?05:53
tuxhow??05:53
sharketlet me se05:53
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tuxjust help me complete this: sudo chmod [what number]  -R myusername05:54
tuxjust help me complete this: sudo chmod -R [what number]  myusername05:54
tuxsudo chown -R tux tux?05:55
sharketyep05:56
tuxok.given......now let me see if i can login.away i go!:D05:56
sharketor chmod 777 tux/*05:56
sharket:)05:56
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tuxsharket: NO...that would make my home folder accessible to my bro....and it contains lots of personal pictures;)05:57
sharketlol05:57
tuxlol05:57
tuxbrb:)05:57
sharketthen go to that dir and restric it05:57
sharketrestrict it05:57
sharketwho is the admin of the machine :)05:58
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tamui want to leav a minute...05:59
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freelovesuccess!06:01
freelovesharket: i logged in:)06:01
sharketvery good06:01
sharket:))06:01
freelovethx:D06:01
sharketi don't know which files are exactly06:01
sharket:(06:01
sharketlet me see06:01
freelovewhatever.it worked.thats waht matters06:02
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sharketsharket@whitebox:~$ ls .Xauthority -la06:04
sharket-rw-------  1 sharket sharket 424 2005-12-22 15:19 .Xauthority06:04
sharkettry this one06:04
sharket:))06:04
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ninnghizidhawhy are there packages kept back in kde3.5?06:06
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jpatrickninnghizidha: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade06:08
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kkathmanninnghizidha: many packages have not synched with kde3.5 which is why some are being held back06:11
ninnghizidhaoh!06:11
ninnghizidhai'll try dist-upgrade :-)06:11
ninnghizidhajust aminute :-)06:11
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ninHerhi all06:12
=== steve_laptop is liking Kubuntu :) how do I find wlassistant and netgo for ubuntu?
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Deterministthis is simply absurd. i've been trying to burn a kubuntu CD from the image i've downloaded.06:13
Deterministfirst attempt: downloaded kubuntu iso image from united states server, burned to CD, laptop wont boot from the CD.06:14
Deterministsecond attempt: downloaded another ISO image from european server, burned to CD, wont boot.06:14
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Deterministthird attempt: downloaded again, made sure md5 matches, got a brand new CD, looked to see that there are no scratches, booted the laptop from a normal ubuntu CD to made sure it boots from a CD. all is well and still, after burning the 3rd CD, still no boot.06:15
Deterministany idea what the hell is going on with the kubuntu image?06:15
hugelmopfsteve_laptop: i don't think there is a package for wlassistant, you'll have to compile it yourself. why don't you use kwifimanager?06:15
hugelmopfDeterminist: did you burn the "normal ubuntu cd" yourself as well?06:16
Deterministhugelmopf, yes06:16
freelovestrange.....06:17
Deterministi agree06:17
freelovedid u burn in k3b? :)06:17
Deterministand it just cost me 3 good and nice CDs06:17
ninnghizidhait seems, that dist-upgrade installed some of them, but with unmet dependencies ... but i think i got it working aigain, thanks a lot for the hint.06:17
steve_laptophugelmopf: wlassistant is click and go and in the past kwifimanager you had a few steps to take to connect....06:17
Deterministand yes, i've used both K3b under ubuntu and nero platinum under winxp, both burned the CDs just fine and still no go06:17
freelovemine booted so fine..............06:18
steve_laptophugelmopf: this is the first time I have used kde in 2 yrs06:18
Deterministi'm starting to regret i didnt get the CD-RW cds lol06:18
freelovesteve_laptop: must have been impressed?06:18
Deterministthis is so frustrating06:19
freeloveDeterminist: i can understand....but i dont think anything could be wrong with the image...06:19
Deterministfreelove, well, i didnt think so either till about 10 mins ago06:20
hugelmopfsteve_laptop: i am no frequent user of it, so i don't know about its usability.06:20
Deterministi should check if another computer can boot from the CD... just to make sure06:20
Deterministbut then, the laptop boots fine from an ubuntu installation CD06:20
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steve_laptopfreelove: I run a sony s460 centrino 1.8 with 1.5G of ram and a nvidia go 6600 video card vary nice laptop but sucks to get everything work fn keys and ect. but ubuntu runs the best on it out of the box06:21
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Armagguedeshello06:22
freelovesteve_laptop: so even in windows those fn keys dont work or what? u like gnome or kde?06:22
Armagguedesi've just dl'ed OOo2.0.1 in a tar-gz format, and used alien to turn those RPMs to DEBs.06:22
Armagguedeswhat do i need to do to install OOo now?06:23
freeloveArmagguedes: right-click..........install package06:23
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hugelmopfbtw... has there been any solution to the media (cdrom, usb-stick, ...) problem: "icon appears on desktop, clicking on it mounts the device, but opening it as media:/hdc gives error messages (while /media/cdrom would work)"?06:24
kkathmanArmagguedes: why didnt you just apt-get install it from the repos ?06:24
Armagguedesand it will install everything? (btw, there is a sub-folder that contained RPMs for several architectures: ideleted them all but the DEBIAN package before conversion06:24
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Armagguedeskkathman because it's still the v2RC206:24
kkathmanwhat version of ubuntu are you on?06:24
Armagguedeskubuntu breezy06:25
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Armagguedessudo dpk -i openoffice.org-*2.0.1-2_i386.deb06:25
Armagguedes --> is this it?06:25
kkathmanyep...tho I think I have 1.2.129 to be exact06:26
kkathmanoops 1.9.12906:26
steve_laptopfreelove: I daul boot and in windows everything works fine, in ubuntu-gnome the fn keys work but not in kde ic :( also I have no control on the screen brigtness but im finding out its got somthing to do with Nvidia06:26
Armagguedesthe 1.9.129 -is- the RC206:27
kkathmanArmagguedes: actually I saw today that a new deb is out for 2.1beta06:27
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Armagguedesanyways the 201 fixes a lot of stuff and adds new features06:27
Armagguedeskkathman where?06:28
Armagguedesthou betas are generally not my first choice06:28
kkathmanahh ok06:28
kkathmanI just saw the new release today in Freshmeat.org06:29
kkathmanIm still back on the 1.9.129 that comes with breezy06:29
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hugelmopfsteve_laptop: maybe looking at this thread is worth a try: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2005-December/000589.html06:29
Armagguedesfreelove ur method only installs one package at a time, instead of going thru all of them06:30
freeloveyes ur right i think:)06:30
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steve_laptophugelmopf: THANKS!!!!06:31
Armagguedesanyways, did sudo dpkg -i *.deb06:31
Armagguedeshope it works06:31
freelovesteve_laptop: i didnt know that there was SUCH a diff between ubuntu & kubuntu...aint they same at the core? so fn keys should work on both?06:31
Armagguedeskekekeke06:32
Armagguedesseems to have worked06:32
freelovei have a nice objective question to ask.........can i ask?? plz?06:32
hugelmopfsteve_laptop: did these commands work?06:33
steve_laptopfreelove: its f-in sony's trade make call f the customer and we make are on divers and we will not support them eather!!!06:33
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Armagguedeswhere is PINGUS installed to?06:33
Armagguedesim looking for its icon to add to the K menu entry06:33
freelovewhats the best distro after ubuntu (and all its derivatives)??06:33
steve_laptophugelmopf: I book mark them I dont have time right now06:33
freelovesteve_laptop: lol06:33
Armagguedesfreelove there's a lot of talk about openSUSE 1006:34
hugelmopffreelove: debian probably ;-P06:34
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freelovei tried suse 10.yuk! didnt like it at all! yast package manager is slow compared to synaptic:)06:35
hugelmopfthere are different ones for different purposes, as long as one stays away from those ugly RPM distros...06:35
Armagguedeshm06:36
steve_laptopArmagguedes: SUSE Dep. Hell you go have fun.....  I have had no problems with ubuntu or yum but SUSE go have fun ...:)06:36
Armagguedeswhats the difference between adept and synaptic06:36
jpatrickArmagguedes: Adept is for KDE06:37
freeloveArmagguedes: they just look different:).....06:37
Armagguedesrighty06:37
freelovesynaptic is more powerful06:37
hugelmopffreelove: that is not true as a blank statement. synaptic can _not_ use debtags, while adept can.06:38
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hugelmopfand that's going to be the future, even for synaptic06:38
freelovehugelmopf: now what are debtags?06:38
hugelmopfhave you looked at adept yet?06:38
freeloveu cant add cdrom in adept.in synaptic u can:)06:38
freeloveyes of course06:38
hugelmopfeasy tag filters: use, role, interface, works with.06:39
hugelmopfas far as i know, synaptic cannot do this yet.06:39
Armagguedesmore powerful how?06:39
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freelovehugelmopf: oh u mean all that....ya those are good...but in synaptic too packages are neatly classified.06:39
hugelmopfadding a cdrom is not something i would call "powerful", while debtags are something that classifies as that ;-)06:40
hugelmopffreelove: like in aptitude?06:40
freeloveArmagguedes: it depends on what u want to do...but both basically are for same thing06:40
freelovehugelmopf: as u see it:)...to me a frontend for adding cd is a big relief...06:41
angasuledoes anyone know an open source program that does the same than ventrilo or teamspeak? (voicechat)06:41
hugelmopffreelove: the difference between debtags and the categories as in aptitude/synaptic(?) is: one package can have multiple tags06:41
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freelovehmmm..06:43
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hugelmopfi think both (adept and synaptic) are going to receive features from each other, so that we soon have two complete package managers :)06:44
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Armagguedeswhy dont they just join forces then?06:44
Armagguedeswhy the neeed for 383727873892009283652 different apps that eventually will do the exact same thing06:45
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freelovelol06:45
frazerlo all06:45
frazer:D finnaly got Kubuntu set up today06:45
freeloveArmagguedes: kde & gnome fight with each other..thats why.........06:46
hugelmopfArmagguedes: healthy competition? two should be the minimum for one task ;-)06:46
frazerlooks a lot nicer than gnome06:46
Armagguedeshm true06:46
hugelmopffreelove: let's call it "compete" and not "fight"06:46
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hugelmopffighting usually just describes what their users are doing06:46
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freelovehehe06:47
Armagguedesalso know in some parts as "flaming" hugelmopf06:47
angasulethe quick filter in adept is really bad :/06:47
hugelmopfwhile the devs try to compete and cooperate at the same time ;-)06:47
freelovethe one thing i hate in gnome are incomplete iconsets!06:47
hugelmopfangasule: what do you mean?06:47
angasulehugelmopf: it doesn't seem to search for more than one word06:47
admrli was reading in linux user and developer about kde vs gnome and  somehow they got the idea that with all the coding kde does they dont ever get anywhere06:47
frazerI like the look of KDE but find Gnome easyer06:48
frazeriv just switched over to KDE today to test it out a bit06:49
angasuleadmrl: so less coding == more things get done? interesting concept, so lazy people are overachievers?06:49
freelovefrazer: i find kde easier....but a bit slower & clumsy.....06:49
hugelmopfangasule: searching for consecutive words works for me06:49
admrli didnt agree with ti06:49
kkathmanfrazer: once you get the landscape and mindset of KDE, its easier than gnome, at least for its scale of flexibility06:49
admrlkonqueror is miles ahead of nautilus06:49
frazerwell im keeping it just cause it looks pretty :) somthing to show of to friends and get em onto Linux06:50
freelovefrazer: the default look that is.........otherwise u can make gnome to look far better than anything!06:50
angasulehugelmopf: yeah, consecutive words only (it's like searching for a quoted string in google)06:50
kkathmantheres alot more you can do in KDE, so there is a bit more info with which to become familiar06:50
angasuleso if you know a program is called X, and it's network related, you can't search for X network and get a meaningful result06:50
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freelovefrazer: wow! thats EXACTLY the same reason why i stick to kde!!06:50
frazertook me a while to get sound right though on kde06:51
freelovekkathman: kde is more powerful & usable than gnome.but gnome is over-clean;)06:51
angasuleI took a few screenshots of kubuntu and put it up in a webserver, and then show them off to friends, much prettier than the Evil OS :)06:51
hugelmopffreelove: what do you mean by over-clean? interface or code?06:51
freeloveinterface06:52
kkathmanfreelove: I guess its just one's perspective06:52
angasuleheh gtk code... yuck06:52
hugelmopffreelove: some consider the interface of gnome to be too clean, some like it ;-)06:52
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hugelmopfand that's why it is good to have at least two competitors06:52
admrlif anyones ever tryed to use like /home/$USER/.*06:53
hugelmopf(after all: otherwise you'd have to use windows ;-))06:53
admrlto get all your hidden folders you cant in gnome06:53
kkathmanbut I generally consider KDE easier to get what you want your desktop to be, than having to "settle" for gnome - gnome can do it, but much more effort and downloads06:53
freelovehugelmopf: yes i love it too..but its lack of certain features depress me.....06:53
admrlwell nautilus06:53
freelovekkathman: u r right:)06:53
hugelmopffreelove: if you are talking about gnome: i am a kde-lover and user by heart.06:53
angasuleman, this voice chat thingy is really bad, don't know why it bothers with a UI, if it requires command line parameters to start...06:53
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freeloveim a also a kde lover AND gnome lover but certain features (or lack of them) in either of them bug me..06:54
freelovenone of them are complete for me...06:55
Armagguedesihe installed fluxbox, but still havent tried it06:55
freelovesoo i keep switching:)06:55
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frazerme to lol i like bits of both06:55
frazerat uni I use gnome with the k bar on it lol06:55
Armagguedesmerde06:56
Armagguedeshow do i install more fontsin linux?06:56
freelovelol06:56
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_stevenlool06:57
Anttuhello06:57
_stevenhello06:57
Anttui need some help installing kubuntu06:57
_steventalk to us whats up06:57
Anttui've been using mandriva up until today, when i tried to switch06:57
_stevenok whats the problem06:58
Anttuwell, it went okay first, but when i tried to make a user, well, i just kept making user after user. no end to it06:58
angasuleis GSM a proprietary codec?06:58
Anttuso i pressed the back button, and came to the menu of install options. and so i continued with the next one, i guess it is install extra software or something. then some weird questions about my gfx card appeared a couple of times (same question!)06:59
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Anttuwell, it installed some stuff, but when i booted up, my screen was just garbled07:00
Anttuand when i tried to reinstall everything, the installer whined something about a blank password, but i still couldnt change anything07:00
_stevenAnttu: you may have a bad install going07:00
Anttuwhat would you recommend?07:01
_stevenI would try re-installing it somthing fishie is going on07:01
hugelmopfAnttu: it sounds like a bad installation. are you sure the cd was burned properly?07:01
Anttuyeah, shouldnt have been any problem07:01
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Anttui even tried to install my nvidia drivers, but a LOT of packages were gone, like gcc and such07:02
_stevengot to run l8r07:03
angasuleArmagguedes: hmm, I think if you write fonts:/// (yes, three /, it's not a typo) and then copy your .ttf fonts there (I'm guessing inside System, so you'll have to copy them as root)07:03
Anttulater07:03
frazerwell nice talkin to ya all goin to  aLAN now :D07:03
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hugelmopfAnttu: gcc is not installed by default i believe.07:04
angasuleArmagguedes: are you around? I can walk you through it if you want07:04
_stevenAnttu: its a bitch to get install with out the nvidia install even my sceen was not read able so boot in safe mode and apt-get the drives and PLEASE READ THE HOW TO"S in the starter guide....07:04
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whoiam55hello jpatrick07:04
Anttui've read the documentation, but it didn't contain any troubleshooting..07:05
_stevenI have to run meeting time sorry :(07:06
Armagguedestsk tsk IRC'ing while @ work07:07
angasuleArmagguedes: well, seems you're not around, short version: press ALT+F2, write "kdesu konqueror" and press enter (it'll ask for your password), then that particular konqueror window is run as root, if you type fonts:/// in the address bar, you'll see all installed fonts, copy any new fonts you want there, you'll probably have to restart the X Window System for them to work (it's not really necessary, but it's the fastest way, I think)07:07
Armagguedesangasule ok tks07:08
Armagguedesi left you a pvt thou07:08
Armagguedesill go get some TTFs from my xp box then07:08
angasuleArmagguedes: I didn't receive it :?07:08
jjesseis there a reason that it seems like the eclipse documentation is not installed?07:09
angasuleArmagguedes: ok, have fun, I'm off for lunch, be back in 30 minutes or so07:09
jjessei followed the instructions on wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE07:09
Armagguedesok tks07:09
angasulejjesse: is it installed?07:09
angasulejjesse: the package should be eclipse-doc or similar07:09
jjesseangasule: shouldn't it be installed if you installed the ide?07:09
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angasulejjesse: nope07:10
Anttuwell, gotta test that installation again.. later07:11
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ninnghizidhahow to take screenshots under kde?07:19
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ArmagguedesPRINTSCREEN?07:20
SerberusKSnapshot07:20
ninnghizidhathanks a lot07:20
Serberusnp07:20
ninnghizidhaperfect! :-)07:20
Serberus:)07:20
ninnghizidhaah, i love kde so much more han gnome ... gnome is gimp'd07:21
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hardwirehola07:32
hardwirehas kicker started to behave w/ multiple individual desktops?07:33
hardwire:0.0 and :0.1 ?07:33
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_jonashow do I set up my computer with WPA??07:41
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Armagguedes_jonas you need the wpasupplicant package07:47
lululinuxwhere's the best howto for making mp* sound work?07:48
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Armagguedescheck the wiki.ubuntu.org homepage for the RestrictedFormats faq07:50
sampan!restrictedformats07:50
ubotuit has been said that restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats07:50
lululinuxwiki.ubuntu.org could not be found. Please check the name and try again.07:51
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sampanyes, if you substitute "org" for "com", there's a high probability that you won't find the right page ;)07:52
sampanlululinux  click ubotu's link07:52
sampanit's the restricted formats guide07:52
lululinuxI did already :)07:52
sampan:D07:52
sampanenjoy!07:52
lululinuxE: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse07:53
lululinuxI don't thing I enabled multiverse yet :-p07:53
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Armagguedesi enabled main multiverse universe restricted on ALL repos07:55
tamuhai freind... i sucess installing xpde 0.5.107:55
Armagguedesmerde ao carr07:55
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Armagguedescan someone tell of a IME thing to input japanese characters07:56
Armagguedesother than SCIM07:56
tamubut i don't know active it when booting07:56
Armagguedesaparently this causes ffox1.5 to crash07:56
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sampanarmagguedes  there is SCIM for inputing other languages ... but there are severe bugs in the SCIM packages for breezy07:56
tamucan you show me what file can i edit? for it..?07:57
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Armagguedessampan i need something other than scim07:58
Armagguedesit crashes firefox07:58
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sampanoh, then i have no idea -- scim is what i've always used for chinese/japanese until now (waiting for backports from dapper so i can use it again actually)07:58
sampannice to know it crashes firefox 1.507:59
sampan:/07:59
osh_sampan: firefox 1.5 is out for kubuntu?07:59
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sampanosh_  i don't think so -- not in the official repos at least ... one would have to install from mozilla's downloads i suspect08:00
Armagguedesosh_ no08:00
sampan!firefox1.508:01
ubotuYou can update to firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion08:01
Armagguedesi had to download directly from mozilla08:01
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Armagguedesthan used some wiki on the official ubuntu site08:01
Armagguedesyes thats it08:01
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voicuhow do i set my kde desktop in another language? i installed language-pack-ro and language-pack-base-ro but i don't know how to log in with another language (this probably is to you a stupid question)08:04
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pointwoodvoicu: you change that in the system settings08:06
sampannot 100%, but iirc wouldn't "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" work to change the system language?08:07
voicui found locales and that stuff but in the 'add language' list only EN appears08:08
voicu(in control center)08:08
pointwoodhrm...08:12
pointwoodwierd08:12
pointwoodwait...08:12
pointwoodare you sure you installed the right language packs?08:12
voicuuh, i installed language-pack-ro and language-pack-ro-base (with kynaptic)08:14
voicui reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure08:14
voicubut it still doesn't work08:14
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Armagguedesbtw i have an Acer Travelmate 4002WLMi laptop, and would like to use its hotkeys (Fn + smtg)08:18
voicupointwood: in control center at section regional & accessability -> language there is an 'add language' button. that's where i should find the RO pack, right?08:18
Armagguedeshow can i configure them08:18
Armagguedesand use the synaptic touchpad08:19
pointwoodvoicu: I would have thought you should add them through adept08:19
voicupointwood: is there some config file to add an entry for the language-pack?08:20
pointwoodno idea :(08:20
pointwoodI'm not english myself, but I always use english...08:21
voicui tried to find one in /etc or /home/.kde but i don't actually know what i'm looking for :P08:21
voicui like using english too but i was curios to see the translation08:21
pointwoodhehe08:23
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vvizardI'm having some problems. Just installed Kubuntu. kdesu didn't work "SU  returned with an error." So in  some forum, I saw someone suggesting to disable the root account with "sudo passwd -l root". So I tried. Well, the error haven't dissapeared, and now my root-account is lost to. Could anybody help out with this?08:31
jpatrickvvizard: use sudo08:31
vvizardUse sudo how? Got any FAQ that address this issue, or a forum-post describing a remedy for the problem?08:32
jpatrickvvizard: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/RootSudo08:33
vvizardThanks, I'll check it out08:33
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vvizardWhen I try "sudo passwd root", the command just returns. Same goes for all the sudo commands I try. It just dumps me right back to the shell, without any explanation08:35
DHGEfreeNX client - deb-source anyone?08:36
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hyperactivecrondwow dell is retarded... i'm installing winxp with my dell-reinstallation disc under qemu and apparently my disc isn't bioslocked08:36
hyperactivecrondsorry for the off-topic guys08:37
hyperactivecrondlegality: questionable...08:38
hyperactivecrondeither that or qemu looks @ the host pc's bios08:39
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Armagguedeswhts the difference between X and X.org08:43
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jpatrickArmagguedes: they're the same08:44
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sharkethello08:46
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_nestahello08:53
_nestamy 'most used applications' seperator on the kicker is not there , how can i restore it ??08:53
hussamwhy is lvm10 in universe? Is it not a necessary package?08:54
hussamor do I just need lvm2?08:54
jpatrick_nesta: configure panel -> Menus08:55
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_nestagreat thanls08:56
_nestak08:56
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lululinuxsampan: ubotu Armagguedes thx :-) Amarok & Kaffeine working now. :-)08:59
lululinuxand SeaMonkey08:59
sharketdoes anybody use any calendar ?09:00
sampanlululinux  glad to hear you got it working! :)09:00
Blissexsharket: the sumerian started doing so several thousand years ago...09:00
sharketi mean in kde09:01
sharketfor make plans09:01
sharket:P09:01
sharket:))09:01
kkathmanyes09:01
kkathmanin kontakt09:01
sampanplans?  we don't need no steeeeeeenking plans09:02
kkathmanlol sampan :)09:02
sampan;D09:02
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sharketyes we do  sampan09:02
kkathmansharket: try kontact .. its pretty nice for a calendar09:03
lululinuxwhat config file holds the chosen DM/Greeter?09:03
kkathmanI think you can call that separately also09:03
sharketi'm going to leave from my contry so many times nexw year :S09:03
sharketthx kkathman09:03
kkathmansharket: its not kcal or kcalendar...but something like that...I dont use it often because my planning is done on my company laptop09:04
sharketok09:05
sharketis not inside the standart installation, right ?09:05
kkathmansharket: try korganizer09:05
sharketok09:06
lululinuxwill running 'sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop' switch from kdm to gdm? If so, how do I put it back?09:06
jpatricklululinux: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm09:06
kkathmanlululinux: you can choose from your login splash09:06
lululinuxOk thx :)09:07
revmaybe someone can tell me whats missing here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6032 ?09:07
kkathmanor should be able to I reckon09:07
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mpmaHas anyone used Gwenview to catalog images, i.e. to add them to a special list, say 'favorites' or 'to print' ?09:07
mpmaI can't find that feature if it exists09:08
sharketKontact got all :))09:08
kujegersay, how do I force konqueror to always use a view moe (i.e. tree view) whenever I open anything?09:09
kujegermode*09:09
sampankujeger  get it viewing how you like it, and then save the profile09:10
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sampansettings --> save view profile <foo.bar>09:10
mpmaAnyone happily using Gwenview with Plugin fuctionality on Kubuntu?09:10
kujegeroh, thanks. Can't believe I missed that.09:11
sharketdoes anybody use the spamassasin ?09:11
sampankujeger  np  :)09:12
naliothkujeger: make konqueror look the way you want, and then go to Settings > Save View Profile09:12
kujegeryes, it worked nicely.09:13
kujegerCan't seem to get it to remember window position though - only size.09:13
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sampanmy only gripe with the profiles is that i couldn't seem to delete some of the ones that were there originally -- maybe i just missed it, but i could not get it to delete the prefigured profiles09:15
sampani only need fm and web -- and having 4 other (to me useless) profiles is just silly09:16
sampanthere's a "delete profile" button in the save view profile dialogue box, but it doesn't work09:17
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snakeHello!09:45
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Snake__Hey guys, how would set default programs?09:46
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_mattCan someone tell me if its possible to get root access while using Konqueror so I can change folder permissions with out using console?09:48
Snake__Right click, actions, edit as root09:48
Snake___matt:09:48
jjessebest wiki page to go about automounting windows (ntfs) partitions on ubuntu09:48
_mattI dont see the option09:48
jjesse!ntfs09:49
ubotuI heard ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions09:49
Snake___matt: what kind of file?09:49
jjessehmmm that's a messy wiki page09:49
_mattI want to change my .wine folder so i can edit inside of it09:49
sampansnake__  one way is: konq --> settings --> configure konq --> file associations ... locate the file type you want to change default app for and change it to that app09:49
Snake__sampan: that will do, thanks man09:49
sampansure09:49
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_mattwineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/matt/.wine/system.reg : Permission denied09:50
_mattI need to change it so I have permissions in the folder09:50
Snake__You should be able to right click the file (In the explorer view) and select edit as root..09:50
Snake__Odd...09:51
_matthmm I dont see the option09:51
_mattis it something that needs to be added in with the settings?09:51
Snake__it wasn't for me09:51
Snake__hold on a sec09:52
_mattAs far as I know I have  root access09:52
sampan_matt  it's under "actions"09:52
_mattlooked there too09:52
_mattdidnt see it09:52
Snake__Thats what I told him sampan09:52
sampanright-click --> actions --> edit as root ...09:52
sampanhrmmmm ... there for me09:52
_mattunless you open it as a terminal09:52
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Snake___matt: I could tell you how to change permissions, but thats not a good practice with system files09:53
sampan_matt  you probably opened konq in web profile09:53
sampanit's not there when i use that profile either -- open konq in file management profile instead09:53
_mattI wouldnt know the difference09:53
_mattit just says /home/matt09:53
_mattthat goes for any of my regular folders too though09:54
_matttheres no edit as root09:55
ninnghizidhaanyone knows, why kopete cant send special characters to gaim?09:55
sampanit's because when you start konq it's not in file management profile ... you can start konq in fm mode at CLI: konqueror --profile filemanagement09:55
sampanor you can add the konq profiles buttong to your taskbar/startmenu ... or add a kmenu item for fm mode (same command in the menu command: konqueror --profile filemanagement)09:56
sampanbuttong=button09:56
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Snake__Wtf why is it still opening with konq...09:58
Snake__POS09:58
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sampani like konq as a browser but still too many formatting errors -- even the kde.org help pages are messed up at the bottom (overlapping lines)09:59
lululinuxthat's because mice make most web pages, and can read that mousetype that overlaps when you zoom or use minimum font size10:00
lululinux:)10:00
sampanlol10:00
lululinuxreal men would use Texas size type so everyone could read it without zoom10:01
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Blissexsampan: there are no such things as formatting errors in HTML...10:05
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sampanblissex well i'm not all that technical, but i don't know what else to call it when text that displays in nice neatly spaced lines in firefox is "formatted" into messy, unreadable overlapping lines in konq10:14
sampandoesn't happen all that often, but often enough that i use firefox as my default webbrowser10:15
Blissexsampan: thats bad HTML most likely. Lots of it around....10:15
sampanperhaps, odd that i run into it even on kde's own webpages though10:15
Blissexsampan: anyhow I use almost only Konqueror now, and with a custom stylesheet that simplifies things, so perhaps that's what helps.10:15
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arabekevening10:18
arabekfirst try at the newest kubuntu dvd10:18
arabek:)10:18
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sampanblissex, cool ... don't get me wrong though: i think konq is -great-.  being able to rip cds within my file-manager while surfing the web on a separate tab, and previewing a pdf file in another tab -- that's just a stupendous piece of work.  but i do wish it displayed webpages (or the poorly written ones) more competantly10:23
sampans/competantly/competently10:24
arabeksampan, tried the 3.5 konqueror?10:25
sampanarabek no, i haven't upgraded to 3.5 yet -- i kinda avoid the "constant upgrade" disease ;)10:26
_nestaanyone know a link that contains all of the user manuals for the different apps that come installed on kubuntu ??10:27
arabeksampan, konqueror is at last usable in this version. while beeing on the latest -rc1 with gen2 i finally dropped firefox10:27
Blissex_nesta: '/usr/share/doc' usually :-)10:28
hugelmopf_nesta: in the k-menu there is a help section, where you can find many handbooks of KDE's programs10:28
_nestajust that?10:28
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_nestain terminal ?10:28
_nestaor knoqueror?10:28
_nestathanks hugel10:28
jpatrick_nesta: khelpcenter10:28
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sampanarabek  nice!  :)10:30
_nestaok10:30
_nestai have a problem with my screen if i put it on higher resolution 1024 i cant see the kicker icon on the bottom left10:31
_nestaso i have to use 80010:31
_nestais there a way to fix this10:31
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goleodd one here... found one mp3 that plays choppy, but the rest play fine...10:34
goleand the mp3 plays fine over samba on a windows box10:34
goleso i'm stuck scratching my head, since i know the file is fine... just something with the playback in linux10:35
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Blissexgole: it is not a file related thing usually, unless it is a particularly challenging rate.10:38
Blissexgole: look at http://tinyurl.com/bp7ch   and the quality section of http://tinyurl.com/4ogk210:39
goleok looking thanks10:41
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_nestaanyone know how i can into network configuration settings on kde10:46
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gwynmHey guys. I've got a laptop here with no CD drive, but I have ethernet and a 512mb bootable USB drive. Is it possible to do a kubuntu install?10:47
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gole_nesta, Kmenu > system settings > network settings10:49
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manolistaare xorg 7.0 packages avaiable for ubuntu?10:56
crimsun_in Dapper, yes.10:57
crimsun_they won't be for Warty, Hoary, or Breezy.10:57
osh_This http://rafb.net/paste/results/DMW67l94.html doesn't extract the file that I expect it to. It does extract the first files, the one in a subdir, but not the regular files. Any ideas?10:58
osh_Also, is it a known fact that you cant copy things from emacs to any other app?11:02
_nestai have a problem with my screen if i put it on higher resolution 1024 i cant see the kicker icon on the bottom left11:02
_nestais there a way to fix this???11:02
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osh__nesta: does the screen scroll down if you put the mousepointer at the bottom of it?11:03
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fyzixHi :-) Anybody know how to change the basic character set that kubuntu uses?11:03
osh__nesta: try ctrl +11:03
_nestano it doesnt scroll over11:05
sharketi don't know what synaptic is11:05
_nestai cant access the kicker when its like this11:05
sharketand don't know where find it11:05
_nestactrl + didnt do anything11:05
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osh__nesta: not even if you do it several times?11:06
_nestanope11:06
_nestanothing :(11:06
sampansharket  synaptic is ubuntu's GUI package manager.  if you installed kubuntu, you don't have it installed.  look for Adept instead11:06
Riddellfyzix: dpkg-reconfigure locale11:06
sharketah good11:06
sampanor rather, if you installed just kubuntu (if you installed ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop, then you have both synaptic and adept)11:07
sharketyes i used adept11:07
sharketbut i have one problem11:07
sharketMiscellaneous - Graphical (restricted) > nvidia-glx11:07
sharketMiscellaneous - Graphical (restricted) > nvidia-settings11:07
sharketi can't find these ones11:07
sampanjust one?  i have many -- most are not related to computers though ;/11:07
sharketonly nvidia-kernel-common - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files11:08
osh__nesta: Then you would probably go into xorg.conf but I don't really know enough about it to help you with it. Experiment a bit with it. ;-)11:08
fyzixriddel it returns: Package `locale' is not installed and no info is available.11:08
sampansharket have you enabled the repositories?11:08
_nestaosh:also there is black border on the right...its like everything is dragged to the left off the screen..including irc and webpages, until i rezise them..but i cant get the kicker anyway11:08
sharketwhich ones ?11:08
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fyzixriddell it returns: Package `locale' is not installed and no info is available.11:09
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fyzixriddell apt-get install localeconf?11:09
osh__nesta: it's not your screen that needs to be adjusted?11:09
sharketsampan: which repositories ?11:10
Riddellfyzix: locales11:10
sampansharket  not sure exactly which repo the nvidia packages are in.  but in Adept, go to the top: Adept --> Manage Repositories... there, enable the lines with universe and multiverse i think11:10
sharketah have enabled11:10
sharketthose ones11:10
sharketall :)11:10
sampansharket  hrmmmmm ... searching for "nvidia" doesn't bring up the glx and settings packages?11:11
_nestaosh: thanks alot! that fixed it :p11:12
sharketxserver-xorg-driver-nv - X.Org X server -- NV driver11:13
sharketnvidia-kernel-common - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files11:13
sharketthese tho ones11:13
sharketmaybe first ?11:13
sampansharket  nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings are in the restricted sections -- you have those enabled?  i see them in adept just fine :/11:15
sharketlet me see11:16
sampandid you update your repo list?  (sudo apt-get update)11:16
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sampansharket  you can see that they're in the repos: http://packages.ubuntu.com/  then type in "nvidia" in the search bar ... a bunch of packages, including nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings11:17
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fyzixriddell thanks11:21
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ndazzaHi! Does anyone know if there's a way to rate-limit apt-get? I'm trying to minimise my bandwidth usage11:25
humehi...i got a problem with a  brand new installation of kubuntu - in kmail i get every second row of mails colored dark blue - and i cant get rid of it, even though changing themes11:25
humeanyone know how to get back to a readable list of mails in kmal? must be some theme-thing.....11:26
kkathmanhume: cant say that I've ever seen that11:26
kkathmanlemme check11:26
humei tried some themes, among them the blue-and-yellow....and this pattern sticks....11:27
fyzixhume I've tried it before. It probably marked them not new, but not read11:27
kkathmanhume every other line on mine is very light blue, but not dark11:27
fyzixhume just select them all and mark as read11:28
ndazzahume: have you tried configuring kmail and setting custom colours?11:28
kkathmanhume: try Configure Kmail - Appearance - Colors11:28
humeyes, it is this "every second row", not the "new mails" function...but instead of light light blue it is dark blue...11:28
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kkathmanchange the alternate color (2nd one down)11:28
humeyou think it is kmail specific, not kde theme?11:29
kkathmanalternative background color11:29
kkathmanyes11:29
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sharketsampan: , http://pastebin.com/47577011:29
sharketi think everything is enabled...11:29
kkathmanhume: just try what I said and see if that helps11:29
humeok....yes, that changes it11:29
humenow it looks much better11:30
kkathmanexcellent11:30
sampansharket and you've updated the package lists after enabling?11:30
humeso I should stick with this, personalised settings of colors?11:30
kkathmanhume: you can save those, yes, or change them up as you'd like11:31
sampanif so, then i'm at a loss, because the repos (apt-cache, adept, synaptic, and the web package list at http://packages.ubuntu.com all say nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings are there)11:31
humei also got rather heavy window borders, dark blue.....11:31
sharketyes11:31
humethey are set to Plasik now, small, but do not look either plastik or smalll.....11:31
sharketapt-get update11:31
sharketthen ?11:32
sharketwhere is the matter11:32
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sharketthose are my repositories11:32
humesame thing with alternate rows are in kcontrol.....11:32
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humenow.....i found it...:)11:32
humesolved...thanks......color scheme in kcontrol...:)11:33
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sampansharket  i don't know where the problem is.  apt-cache search, adept, synaptic, aptitude, and the web package list all show them for me -- so if you have the repos enabled and have updated, they should be there for you too11:33
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sharketyes11:35
sharketadept use apt right ?11:35
sharketi readed that...11:35
sampanyes, adept is just a GUI front-end for apt11:35
sharketwell, i don't really need it11:35
sharketi like shell11:35
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os2machaving a problem after doing dapper updates yesterday....11:37
os2macI cannot do get updates again....11:38
os2macit errors with s segserv error with adept and with errors on apt-get update11:38
kkathmanos2mac: do you possibly have it open elsewhere or have an apt-get still active?11:40
kkathmancheck ksysguard just in case (or ps aux at konsole)11:40
sharketgodammit11:41
os2macNo I just booted it up.11:42
os2macit is not running.11:44
os2macthat I can see.11:44
kkathmansharket: please refrain from that language11:44
kkathmanos2mac: so you tried to do another adept-update and it gives you the segfault?11:45
kkathmansegserv ohh hmm11:45
sharketsorry11:45
sharket:S11:45
kkathmanyou didnt inadvertantly change the repos back did you?11:45
Kaiser_Sleepshi kkathman11:47
os2macno I ran updates yesterday and it faulted .... I shutdown and rebooted and attempted again to do apt-get install... it passed that time.but now when I run apt-get update or adept updater I get a segserv error11:47
kkathmanKaiser_Sleeps: talkin in yer sleep again I see :)11:47
Kaiser_Sleepsit's a tough life :)11:47
kkathmanI dont see that SEGSERV error very much in here11:48
os2mackkathman: sources.list is set to dapper....11:48
kkathmanI think the best person to help you might be Hobbsee when she comes in..since she's worked with Dapper alot11:48
os2macany idea when she is due in?11:49
Kaiser_Sleepsos2mac: what errors do you get runing apt-get update?11:49
kkathmanos2mac: this error usually points to an application error where the progam tries to write an address out of bounds11:49
Kaiser_Sleepsshe could be any time11:49
kkathmanor could be a disk fault error also..i.e. something was trying to write and only partially completed11:50
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steve_laptopok for you laptop users with wifi wlassisant for ubuntu   - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=597441#post59744111:50
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kkathmanshes usually in around now, unless she has to work11:51
os2macKaiser_sleeps I get a signal 11 sigserv fault.11:51
Kaiser_Sleepsor family commitments (a day or so before xmas)11:52
Kaiser_Sleepsoh, segfault :| are you sure the last update was successfull?11:52
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os2macit completed without errors that I saw (though I may be mistaken) how to I back off updates?11:52
kkathmanKaiser_Sleeps: no, a segserv error11:52
Kaiser_Sleepsos2mac: you don't (as a rule)11:53
kkathmanKaiser_Sleeps: no I ran updates yesterday and it faulted .... I shutdown and rebooted and attempted again to do apt-get install... it passed that time.but now when I run apt-get update or adept updater I get a segserv error11:53
Kaiser_Sleepsos2mac: can you install apt- again? `sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/apt*`11:53
kkathmanthat was what he said earlier11:53
kkathmanI suspect he's got a bad update11:53
os2maclemme try11:53
Kaiser_Sleepshm. thanks kkathman.11:54
kkathmanthanks for helping Kaiser_Sleeps :)11:54
LacertaI want sound. What do i have to type?11:54
kkathmanLacerta: uhmm sound with what?11:54
Lacertaany sound11:54
kkathmansound should be enabled11:55
Kaiser_Sleepskkathman: np. not a hard thing to do :)11:55
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kkathmanLacerta: on a dvd or cd, thats a different story11:55
Lacertai haven't heard anything from linux so far11:55
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kkathmanLacerta: ubuntu or kubuntu?11:55
os2machttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com/47582211:55
Lacertakkathman:  kubuntu11:55
sampanThe Silence of the Linux11:56
kkathmanLacerta: K-menu, System Settings - Sound and Multimedia - enable the sound system11:56
Kamping_Kaiseros2mac: did you do `apt*` or just `apt`?11:56
Lacertakkathman: it's enabled11:56
kkathmanLacerta: ok thats good11:56
os2macjust apt... running it again11:57
kkathmanLacerta: good place to start at least11:57
Lacertaunable to connect to sound server11:57
crimsun_Lacerta: cat /proc/asound/cards11:57
xianzehi im looking for someone who can translate some chinese words for me and maybe tell me where to find mor information about the figures. =) //sorry to be annoying in this kubuntu channel o_O11:57
os2macok appears to completed successfully... do you want to see the output?11:57
kkathmanthanx crimsun...I need to go Christmas shopping now..bbl11:57
sampanlater kkathman11:57
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Kamping_Kaiseros2mac: yes thanks. but try apt-get update again11:58
sampanxianze, got a url to look at?11:58
os2macok Lemme do the output first11:58
xianzesampan: yes, www.welan.se/Kina/11:58
os2machttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com/47582411:59
xianzeP1010003.JPG is in nice quality and maybe can be read i think ;)11:59
sampanxianze  i get a 404 there ... www.welan.se opens, but no characters that i can see12:00
xianzehttp://www.welan.se/Kina/12:00
os2machttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com/47582812:01
xianzehmm weird, it works fine for me, hmm12:01
os2macoutput of apt-get update12:01
xianzeits pictures12:01
Lacertacrimsun_:  what's with the file?12:01
crimsun_Lacerta: you're supposed to tell me what the command returns.12:01
Lacertacrimsun_: my both cards12:02
Lacerta0 [AudioPCI       ] : ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI12:02
Lacerta                     Ensoniq AudioPCI ENS1371 at 0xd400, irq 1812:02
Lacerta1 [V8235          ] : VIA8233 - VIA 823512:02
Lacerta                     VIA 8235 with AD1980 at 0xe000, irq 2212:02
crimsun_Lacerta: so which one do you want to use by default?12:02
Kamping_Kaiseros2mac: ok. so about half the errors are because you have your cdrom enabled in apt, but it's not in the drive, the other half are becaus the us mirror has gone awol again by the look of it12:02
Lacertacrimsun_: V8235 i think12:02

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