[12:16] <sharket> hello
[12:16] <sharket> another problem
[12:16] <sharket> :S
[12:16] <sharket> JVM not found: libjvm.so  - libjvm.so
[12:16] <sharket> However, if the full path to the executable has not been set, a error is received.
[12:16] <sharket> echo "alias java='/opt/ibm-java2-ppc-50/bin/java'" >> ~/.bashrc
[12:16] <sharket> i did it but nothin
[12:20] <sharket> somebody ?
[12:28] <hugelmopf> java is /usr/bin/java i believe on ubuntu. what are you trying to do?
[12:29] <hugelmopf> sharket: are you just trying to find the java interpreter?
[12:29] <sharket> prooving it
[12:29] <nalioth> sharket: wait for robotgeek_zzz to wake up, he can answer your java question(s)
[12:30] <nalioth> hugelmopf: sharket is using IBM java on a mac, not sun on intel/amd
[12:30] <hugelmopf> ah, ok. sorry...
[12:30] <sharket> yep
[12:30] <sharket> :S
[12:30] <sharket> don't know why dont work
[12:30] <sharket> i followed that error
[12:30] <sharket> hehe
[12:30] <sharket> anyway
[12:32] <hugelmopf> did you close the shell and open a new one?
[12:32] <duri> how do you set up sound and multimedia with kubuntu. I am not sure what my install uses ... alsa/oss/gstreamer whatever ...
[12:33] <sharket> no
[12:33] <sharket> i should hugelmopf  ?
[12:33] <hugelmopf> yes, to resource ~/.bashrc
[12:34] <sharket> uh
[12:34] <sharket> i didn't
[12:34] <hugelmopf> try it
[12:34] <nalioth> hugelmopf: no need to close and reopen, just a "source ~/.bashrc" will do
[12:34] <hugelmopf> yeah, true.
[12:36] <sharket> sharket@whitebox:~$ java -showversion
[12:36] <sharket> bash: /opt/ibm-java2-ppc-50/bin/java: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[12:36] <sharket> no file or dir ? how can it be
[12:36] <nalioth> hugelmopf: for those of us who hold guis in disdain, it's kinda hard to "close the terminal"
[12:36] <nalioth> sharket: wait for robotgeek_zzz
[12:36] <sharket> ok
[12:36] <sharket> :)
[12:37] <hugelmopf> guis in disdain? (i don't speak english natively)
[12:38] <nalioth> hugelmopf: for those users who do not use a gui. the users who run console only
[12:38] <hugelmopf> nalioth: got it.
[12:38] <Foodcoman> Hows nalioth doin?
[12:39] <nalioth> Foodcoman: samesame and you?
[12:39] <Foodcoman> Im good!  No complaints.
[12:39] <Foodcoman> systems are humming.
[12:39] <Foodcoman> =)
[12:41] <nxv__> can i somehow prirorize audio output? my audioplayback gets stuck if my load gets to high
[12:54] <manveru> nxv__: kcontrol is your friend
[12:54] <manveru> you just have to set the priority of the arts-daemon higher and give it a bigger buffer
[12:55] <nxv__> i can see the buffer settings. but where to change the priority?
[12:56] <zenlunatic> why is my konqueror so slow?
[12:56] <bokman> Good evening all, i'm having trouble adding wallpapers to /usr/share/wallpapers/ i've already messed up the ownership of all the files in the directory, now if you try and change the background the open file dialog crashes, any takers?
[12:58] <nalioth> bokman: the system owns all the wallpapers there
[12:58] <bokman> I changed into the root account, now users owns it
[12:58] <bokman> that doesn't work so well though
[12:59] <bokman> The problem is that I know just enough about linux to be dangerous with the console
[01:01] <pl_ice> hey, guys i got problem with wine can someone give me a hand?
[01:03] <bokman> I'm afraid I'm new to the linux world myself, but post your problem
[01:03] <JackPalmiery> don't have too much wine
[01:03] <JackPalmiery> that's your problem
[01:03] <bokman> Yeah, there is a twelve step program
[01:03] <bokman> step 1: get Cedega
[01:04] <pl_ice> thnx but don't need cedega ...
[01:05] <pl_ice> while i install wine, it sets .wine folders , but then i need winesetup program which sets new .wine folders, to run winesetup i need to uninstall wine and vice versa..
[01:06] <bokman> try cutting the .wine folder somewhere else temporarily, (THIS IS ADVICE FROM A MORON THAT MESSES UP HIS SYSTEM REGULARLY BEWARE) sorry my caps lock key broke
[01:07] <pl_ice> yeh, i thought about that, but it's annoying u/d hoary i had no probs! wrrr
[01:08] <xtacocorex> bokman: as for wallpapers, i'd make a folder in your home directory, something like: ~/wallpapers and then symbolically link them to /usr/share/wallpapers with: sudo ln -s ~/wallpapers /usr/share/wallpapers
[01:08] <pl_ice> i'm trying to use dvd decryptor/shirk , u guys by any chance copied dvd's ? ...
[01:08] <bokman> Thank you very much xtacocorex
[01:09] <bimberi> pl_ice: i have had good results with the wine package configured using the sidenet utility - http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html
[01:09] <xtacocorex> bokman: that's how i do it and then it keeps stuff sorta simple, you still end up with a <quote>folder</quote> in /usr/share/wallpapers
[01:10] <bimberi> pl_ice: also ...
[01:10] <bimberi> !wine
[01:10] <bimberi> !+wne
[01:10] <ubotu> I don't know, bimberi
[01:10] <bimberi> !+wine
[01:10] <ubotu> well, wine is a compatibility layer used by linux to let it run (some) windows programs.  It's available in universe but a more recent version can be installed by adding "deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/" to your sources.list.  More info at http://www.winehq.com or for support go to #winehq.
[01:10] <bokman> What group should wallpapers belong to and what permissions need to be set, I stuffed it all up
[01:10] <bimberi> finally :P
[01:10] <xtacocorex> bokman: if you store them in your ~/wallpapers directory, you don't need to worry about permissions
[01:10] <JackPalmiery> !+mono
[01:10] <ubotu> from memory, mono is implementation of .NET framework on linux.  For details http://www.go-mono.com
[01:10] <pl_ice> bimberi i had n/p under hoary :/
[01:11] <JackPalmiery> !+cookie
[01:11] <bimberi> JackPalmiery: don't need the + for short factoids :)
[01:11] <bokman> okay, i'll just delete all the files that are currently in wallpapers
[01:12] <JackPalmiery> I was trying to decide between ubuntu and kubuntu the last few hours
[01:12] <JackPalmiery> think I'm going w/ kubuntu
[01:12] <JackPalmiery> for now
[01:12] <xtacocorex> bokman: delete the wallpapers in /usr/share/wallpapers?
[01:12] <pl_ice> bimberi ,how about's ripping dvd's with other programs? thatn dvd decryptor?
[01:12] <bobbyd> hi
[01:12] <JackPalmiery> I was told KDE doesn't have a great C api though
[01:12] <chx> KATE 3.5 makes me crazy. a) I can't make it use it just one process , it opens several windows, annoying b) super annoying: I can't get it NOT to show the file system browser. I do not need that. help please.
[01:12] <bobbyd> is there a MIDI player under breezy?
[01:12] <JackPalmiery> but no specifics
[01:12] <kkathman> chx: its a 3.5 issue
[01:13] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, why would you use C over C++?
[01:13] <bokman> xtacocorex jup, i copied all the wallpapers in my home directory (which always stays the same through linux distros in there) I could make a script that always makes that symbolic link
[01:13] <chx> kkathman: both?
[01:13] <kkathman> yep
[01:13] <JackPalmiery> I dunno.. I've used C, some C++, and java
[01:13] <bokman> xtacocorex, thanks for the help am trying it now
[01:13] <xtacocorex> bokman: you're welcome
[01:13] <chx> kkathman: is there a chance it'll be fixed in a timely manner?
[01:13] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, have you read the start of "The C++ programming language" by bjarne stroustrup?
[01:14] <JackPalmiery> nope
[01:14] <bimberi> bobbyd: timidity ?
[01:14] <kkathman> chx: a lot of kde apps arent synching with KDE3.5 yet
[01:14] <JackPalmiery> C coding is hard to manage.. I can't imagine using it for most things
[01:14] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, it's really interesting and shows a lot of the good things in C++ that can help you write better code before you even consider OO stuff
[01:14] <JackPalmiery> I used it for PDA coding
[01:14] <JackPalmiery> before OO huh
[01:15] <bimberi> pl_ice: no dvd ripping experience sorry :/
[01:15] <pl_ice> yeh , ok
[01:15] <JackPalmiery> it was tough managing memory in C
[01:15] <JackPalmiery> C++
[01:15] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, yeah, there're loads of features of C++ that can make for more robust code
[01:15] <JackPalmiery> with those destructors and whatnot
[01:15] <JackPalmiery> but I got the hang of it.. still, for a large scale app it seems easy to miss things
[01:16] <JackPalmiery> I'll look for that book
[01:16] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, that's why you have to write in a way that doesn't allow you to miss things :)
[01:16] <bimberi> pl_ice: my issue is reencoding tystreams from a PAL TiVo for stutter free DVD playback </offtopic> :)
[01:16] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, I've mainly been involved in games, very large codebases in C/C++
[01:16] <vblanton> anyone know why kubuntu has a REALLY old version of apache in the repos??
[01:17] <bobbyd> vblanton, are you looking at apache2?
[01:17] <bobbyd> or apache?
[01:17] <bimberi> !info apache2
[01:17] <ubotu> apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 80 kB
[01:17] <bobbyd> 80KB!?
[01:17] <bobbyd> must be a meta-package thing :)
[01:17] <bokman> xtacocorex works like a bomb, its fast again, deleted all that stuff I didn't need anyway
[01:17] <JackPalmiery> yeah, I could see C++ being used in a game.. for most apps, I see no reason to not just use java
[01:18] <xtacocorex> bokman: im glad i could help
[01:18] <bimberi> bobbyd: pretty likely :)
[01:18] <bokman> xtacocorex out of interest what if more than one user used this PC (my home directory has restricted access)
[01:18] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, If you write using the standard library then you can write at a very high level in C++
[01:19] <xtacocorex> bokman: i think you could make a symlink for each user, but i haven't tried that since i'm the only one to use my laptop
[01:19] <xtacocorex> bokman: it's worth a shot at trying though
[01:19] <JackPalmiery> when I used c++ I was taking a data structures class.. and we had to implement an application writing our own libraries, for trees, graphs, linked lists..
[01:19] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, but sometimes it just comes down to personal preference :)
[01:19] <JackPalmiery> and it was a pain.. I'll look into the standard libraries
[01:19] <bokman> boost is cool for that stuff
[01:20] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, sounds interesting, but noone in their right mind would do that if they had a decent STL implementation
[01:20] <vblanton> bobbyd: yes thank you
[01:20] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, grab the stroustrup book, it's really cool just seeing how he does things in a ver simple way using STL
[01:20] <JackPalmiery> yeah.. haven't looked back since.. might get into linux dev, it seems java isn't that popular for popular apps
[01:20] <bobbyd> vblanton, no problem :)
[01:21] <JackPalmiery> just in the business sector, for custom apps
[01:21] <vblanton> bobbyd: how come its 2.0.* and not 2.2?
[01:21] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, there are a lot of apps under linux writtern in java
[01:21] <bokman> goodnight all
[01:21] <xtacocorex> bokman: goodnght
[01:21] <vblanton> bokman: sleep well
[01:21] <JackPalmiery> which? anything I might know the name of?
[01:21] <bobbyd> vblanton, not sure, that could be an ubuntu version number?
[01:21] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, azureus (bittorrent client)
[01:21] <vblanton> bobbyd: i doubt it...
[01:22] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, eclipse IDE
[01:22] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, um, ok, that's two :)
[01:22] <JackPalmiery> ahh, brings my system to its knees
[01:22] <vblanton> !ubuntu
[01:22] <ubotu> [ubuntu]  an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[01:22] <bobbyd> azureus? yeah it's a bit crazy :)
[01:22] <vblanton> !kubuntu
[01:22] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[01:22] <vblanton> !apache2
[01:22] <ubotu> vblanton: Bugger all, i dunno
[01:23] <vblanton> !apache
[01:23] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, apache is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP or, for Ubuntu server information, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom
[01:23] <JackPalmiery> yeah, azureus was also a system hog
[01:23] <vblanton> !info apache1
[01:23] <vblanton> !info apache2
[01:23] <ubotu> apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 80 kB
[01:23] <JackPalmiery> I keep hearing java is not slow, that is a myth
[01:23] <JackPalmiery> but that doesn't jive w/ my experience
[01:24] <vblanton> 33kb?? haa!
[01:24] <vblanton> !mambo
[01:24] <ubotu> Not a clue, vblanton
[01:24] <vblanton> !info mambo
[01:24] <vblanton> !info joomla
[01:24] <vblanton> fine
[01:25] <JackPalmiery> best quit message is "Erection reset by beer."
[01:25] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, java technically isn't slow
[01:25] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, but the swing GUI seems to be really slow
[01:26] <JackPalmiery> it is swing's fault? strange indeed
[01:26] <bobbyd> well assuming a decent jit compiler is implemented
[01:26] <JackPalmiery> azureus really bogs down
[01:26] <JackPalmiery> when there is a lot going on
[01:26] <JackPalmiery> that is from screen updates then?
[01:26] <bobbyd> JackPalmiery, I think that's because they wrote a crazy app :)
[01:26] <bobbyd> i was talking in the general case
[01:27] <JackPalmiery> eclipse too..
[01:27] <bobbyd> for azureus they have lots of connections open and do a lot of disk activity
[01:27] <bobbyd> for eclipse I think it's jus the GUI
[01:27] <JackPalmiery> other clients that are non-java blaze in comaprison
[01:27] <bobbyd> indeed
[01:27] <JackPalmiery> to azureus
[01:27] <JackPalmiery> that VM layer hurts IO it seems
[01:27] <JackPalmiery> whether graphics or disk
[01:28] <bobbyd> well, you definitely have a memory overhead for a java VM, I've seen around 60MB on average
[01:28] <JackPalmiery> yeah, indeed
[01:28] <JackPalmiery> I need more RAM perhaps
[01:28] <JackPalmiery> 256 meg doesn't cut it for eclipse
[01:29] <JackPalmiery> that's for sure
[01:33] <vblanton> anyone know if its safe to use GCC 4.0 in kubuntu?
[01:33] <M_Cheevy> heya folks
[01:33] <vblanton> I want to install build-essesntials and its calling GCC 4... seems a little dangerous
[01:33] <vblanton> !info build-essentials
[01:33] <vblanton> ..
[01:33] <vblanton> !info build-essential
[01:33] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[01:34] <M_Cheevy> sorry vblanton, haven't gone in that direction yet so can't help
[01:34] <vblanton> well.. here goes nothing
[01:34] <M_Cheevy> fingers crossed for ya dude
[01:34] <bobbyd> vblanton,  gcc 4 is fine
[01:35] <bobbyd> vblanton, it's the default gcc in breezy
[01:35] <M_Cheevy> anyone else having problems with ejecting and accessing automounted cd's?
[01:35] <bobbyd> M_Cheevy, what kind of problems?
[01:36] <M_Cheevy> bobbyd: well, I can get the cd/dvd to show on the desktop but I can't seem to eject it using the desktop tool and since it doesn't show in mount (media:/dvd) or fstab I can't seem to unmount it.. basically it seems hal, pmount, ivman, etc are scootched.. attempts at reinstalling hal coughs a perl error about accessing /tmp/hal(something)..
[01:37] <M_Cheevy> seems a lot of people are having hal issues from my google search but all I'm getting is a lot of speculation, no clear path to troubleshooting it
[01:38] <bobbyd> M_Cheevy, do "sudo eject" from a shell
[01:38] <vblanton> M_Cheevy: yes. see if its a permission problem
[01:38] <vblanton> weird that it would happen, but you never know
[01:39] <M_Cheevy> give me a second.... will boot up that system... just hopped onto the laptop to see if anyone knew of a howto... but if y'all is willing to help, I'll be as cooperative as I can ;)
[01:40] <M_Cheevy> booting now.. as for things being weird on my system, no surprise... I had to do a debootstrap install and typical of a distro newbie, I've done some tinkering.... :(
[01:41] <M_Cheevy> I'm sure my fstab is a bit off and wouldn't be surprised if my /etc/hddparam.conf is also a little off
[01:42] <vblanton> did you change the default install config for a reason?
[01:43] <M_Cheevy> brb
[01:43] <M_Cheevy> back
[01:44] <M_Cheevy> changed the default /etc/hddparm.conf based on "Unofficial Breezy FAQ" on enabling dma access to cd/dvd drives
[01:46] <M_Cheevy> okay, sudo eject works... now retrying desktop eject... desktop eject fails
[01:48] <M_Cheevy> what are the correct permissions for /usr/bin/eject?  root root -rwxr-xr-x?
[01:48] <Serberus> how do you add a home directory button to the KDE kicker, i've had to do via a quick browser button but KDE's screenshots of 3.4 show a standard Home button
[01:50] <M_Cheevy> don't have one myself but it's easy enough to add....
[01:50] <Hobbsee> M_Cheevy: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16712 2005-12-22 01:54 /usr/bin/eject
[01:51] <janez> hi all
[01:51] <Hobbsee> HI
[01:51] <Hobbsee> darn caps lock
[01:51] <M_Cheevy> Hobbsee: thanks... basically the same... bummer, thought that might be it
[01:52] <Hobbsee> i thought cd's would show up in the fstab
[01:53] <M_Cheevy> Hobbsee: not if they are being handled by pmount, or so I've gathered...
[01:53] <Hobbsee> M_Cheevy: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0 is my line for cd in the fstab
[01:53] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:53] <raphink> yes I have that in my fstab too I guess
[01:53] <raphink> from what i remember
[01:53] <raphink> what is pmount ?
[01:54] <M_Cheevy> it's part of the hal/udev/pmount trio, it's used to automount removable drives
[01:54] <Serberus> ah sorted
[01:54] <raphink> ic
[01:54] <Snake__> Hobbsee: whats up!
[01:55] <Hobbsee> not a lot...just sitting here chatting, and reading the newspaper
[01:55] <Hobbsee> right now, modifying my boot list again
[01:55] <Snake__> lol
[01:56] <Snake__> Hobbsee: Do you use xfce?
[01:56] <M_Cheevy> bbias
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Snake__: i did once, i dont now...
[01:56] <Snake__> Hobbsee: damn ok
[01:56] <Hobbsee> #xfce
[01:56] <Hobbsee> what did you want to know?
[01:57] <Snake__> I was just wondering how to remove work spaces
[01:57] <Snake__> Or to send programs to diffrent ones
[01:57] <Snake__> ah figured it out
[01:57] <Snake__> Thanks anyway :)
[01:57] <Snake__> I dont like that virtual desktop idea
[01:59] <Hobbsee> i dont really like it in xfce - i dont find it terribly well implemented (ie, people asking "how does it work?" and not having an obvious answer), but i use them in kde all the time, and in gnome when i used to use that
[01:59] <Snake__> I dont see a point for it
[01:59] <Snake__> I have yet to see a use for it
[02:00] <DewDude> !mp3
[02:00] <ubotu> [mp3]  a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:00] <Glin|Jol> Winamp not Running
[02:00] <chromate> what portable hard-drive mp3 players do you all use/recommend?
[02:00] <DewDude> none of 'em
[02:00] <Snake__> chromate: take it to offtopic, and I recommend the Cowon iAudio X5
[02:01] <Snake__> Best bang for the buck
[02:01] <Snake__> and its a video player
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Snake__: run enough programs at once and you will lol!
[02:01] <chromate> Snake__: thanks
[02:01] <Hobbsee> especially if you have email open all the time - i just stick that on a separate desktop, and get an icon when i have new mail...
[02:01] <Snake__> chromate: But if you wany my honest opinion, get a PSP
[02:01] <Snake__> want my*
[02:01] <chromate> Snake__: you said take it to offtopci, what is the channel name for it?
[02:01] <Snake__> #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:02] <djk_> is there something one has to do before kscd can actually play an audiocd?
[02:02] <chromate> Snake__: thats a logical name =)
[02:02] <M_Cheevy> so, one site I've found recommends "chmod +s" on eject... any great peril with that?
[02:03] <M_Cheevy> djk_: gave up on kscd for just that reason.. that and too many other options
[02:04] <_nano_> win32codecs doesn't seem to be there in the repos, any idea where i can get that?
[02:04] <djk_> M_Cheevy: i'm just trying - not so very successfully - to copy a cd :(
[02:04] <M_Cheevy> _nano_: hang a second, I'll get ya the line from /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:05] <_nano_> M_Cheevy: okies
[02:05] <M_Cheevy> _nano_: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main   (also can get the dvd codecs there too)
[02:06] <djk_> marillat shouldn't be used..
[02:06] <_nano_> djk_: err...why?
[02:06] <djk_> _nano_: was told that they may cause problems with ubuntu..
[02:07] <_nano_> djk_: so do you have any sources where I could get win32codecs?
[02:07] <M_Cheevy> djk_: if he limits himself to the codecs he should be fine
[02:08] <djk_> M_Cheevy: sure, but why not use the recommended source.
[02:08] <_nano_> djk_: thanks
[02:08] <djk_> you're welcome
[02:08] <M_Cheevy> djk: does the recommended source provide access to the css2 stuff?
[02:08] <DewDude> http://pastebin.com/474445 <- if someone could give me an idea as to if it's a dependency failure or bad makefile, thanks in advance. feel free to msg..i'm stepping out for a smoke and will probably miss answer
[02:09] <djk_> M_Cheevy: i think so, yes.
[02:10] <bimberi> !w32codecs
[02:10] <bimberi> !+w32codecs
[02:10] <ubotu> I guess w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-fda9cc5147253891fe3047263b82d787ab025bba to install
[02:11] <apokryphos> someone should really just tinurl that :P
[02:11] <bimberi> :)
[02:11] <djk_> are there any programs for linux to detect copyprotections on cds?
[02:11] <M_Cheevy> djk: bookmarked that puppy... now comes the joy of kicking out the marillat files...
[02:12] <M_Cheevy> djk_: if you're worried about rootkit stuff, just avoid Sony and it's affiliates... that being said, they're only the ones that have been caught at it so far
[02:12] <bimberi> apokryphos: leave it to me (unless you've started)
[02:12] <apokryphos> ubotu: no w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[02:12] <ubotu> apokryphos: okay
[02:12] <djk_> M_Cheevy: i'm not worried about anything, i just want to copy a cd ;)
[02:12] <apokryphos> bimberi: just as you said :P
[02:13] <bimberi> :)
[02:13] <M_Cheevy> djk_: well, just yesterday I took The Gladiatress (which has all sorts of "copyprotected" symbols all over it) and made a very sweet copy without much hassle.. granted that's dvd but it tells you what the software is capable of...
[02:15] <djk_> M_Cheevy: i want to copy an audio cd..
[02:15] <randabis> hi
[02:15] <randabis> hey apokryphos long time no see
[02:15] <apokryphos> randabis: very long time no see :)
[02:15] <apokryphos> how've you been?
[02:16] <M_Cheevy> djk_: Like I said, I recognise what I was doing was different, but if anything, dvd copy protection seems more robust, if it can be done with that, a cd should not be a problem
[02:16] <randabis> I'm pretty good just truckin' around across the US...I drive an 18 wheeler for a living currently
[02:16] <djk_> M_Cheevy: and what did you use to make the copy
[02:16] <M_Cheevy> djk_: besides, cdr's as cheap as chips these days... so what if the first try doesn't take... what is it?  $0.25?
[02:17] <apokryphos> randabis: nicee; how are you finding it?
[02:17] <apokryphos> not much time for computer there, I'm sure ;-)
[02:17] <djk_> M_Cheevy: it's a matter of principle..
[02:17] <M_Cheevy> djk: did it under winblows... just good old roxio easy cd... for the cds I copied... (disc copy applet), for the dvd's dvdecryter)
[02:18] <M_Cheevy> experimentation is a principle too ;)
[02:18] <djk_> M_Cheevy: i don't have roxio..either way, k3b's 'clone cd' option didn't work..
[02:18] <M_Cheevy> besides, I remember when the buggers were $5+
[02:19] <M_Cheevy> djk: did you try "raw" mode?
[02:19] <djk_> yea.. doesn't the 'clone cd' option only offer raw..
[02:19] <randabis> apokryphos: I enjoy it for the most part. Yeah, I don't get to use the net as much, but I do get wifi from time to time at certain truck stops, such as the one I'm currently parked at
[02:20] <M_Cheevy> djk_: clone and auto...
[02:20] <M_Cheevy> djk: raw and auto that is
[02:20] <apokryphos> randabis: I'm wondering if you're on breezy there, even :P
[02:20] <M_Cheevy> djk: there is a "No error correction" button under the Advanced tab....
[02:21] <M_Cheevy> djk: also a paranoia level
[02:21] <randabis> apokryphos: actually, I am on breezy :)
[02:21] <M_Cheevy> djk: also I find dropping the speed sometimes helps
[02:21] <randabis> apokryphos: I downloaded the iso when I was home on thanksgiving and upgraded the laptop
[02:21] <apokryphos> nice
[02:21] <apokryphos> randabis: still sticking with ubuntu then ;-)
[02:21] <djk_> M_Cheevy: why would dropping the speed matter... only when it's read it may matter.. and that was only with what.. safedisc2?
[02:22] <djk_> M_Cheevy: and that protection isn't used for audio.
[02:22] <M_Cheevy> djk: not sure of the whys and wherefores I just know from years of doing it, dropping the write speed sometimes gives the laser that little bit more time to get it right
[02:22] <randabis> apokryphos: of course. :) I've yet to find a better distro
[02:22] <randabis> anyone having problems with gmail right now?
[02:23] <djk_> M_Cheevy: i don't really know what the differences are between the paranoia modes in k3b..
[02:23] <M_Cheevy> djk: nor do I but if memory serves it does have to do with circumventing cp's... worth a read if naught else
[02:24] <djk_> M_Cheevy: but if i could detect what protection is used, it may be simpler to use the correct settings
[02:24] <M_Cheevy> I did have some luck under winblows with a region-free/css removal tool.. surprising it handled copy protected cds but it did!
[02:25] <M_Cheevy> djk: granted, but know nothing about that, figured I'd helpout where I do...
[02:25] <djk_> M_Cheevy: it seems like nobody is coding progs like that anymore.. or i'm just too old to find them.
[02:26] <M_Cheevy> djk: www.mrbass.org used to be THE place for dvd copying info... if the MPAA hasn't had him shut down yet...
[02:27] <djk_> M_Cheevy: so was gamecopyworld.com ..and many other sites.. all the progs they offer are either outdated or useless
[02:27] <bimberi> randabis: just logged into my gmail a/c - so working from here (.au)
[02:29] <ice9> hey anyone have chroot
[02:29] <M_Cheevy> djk_: I'm not saying mrbass is down, just saying I ain't checked in a while
[02:29] <ice9> I need some help
[02:29] <M_Cheevy> djk_: the win prog I used to copy the protected cds I had was "DVDRegionFree+CSS"
[02:30] <M_Cheevy> hmm, maybe I shouldn't have put the hot lasagna down on the ubuntu cds....
[02:31] <Hobbsee> M_Cheevy: hehe...that's probably not a good idea for any cd!
[02:31] <M_Cheevy> ice9: thought it was part of the ubuntu-base package
[02:31] <ice9> it is
[02:31] <ice9> but having a hell of a time getting it to work
[02:31] <M_Cheevy> Hobbsee: but surprisingly it did circumvent the one copy protected CD I did have in my collection
[02:32] <M_Cheevy> Hobbsee: it has an option to counter-act cd protections too
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[02:32] <M_Cheevy> prior to the new version if I had put the cd in it forced me to play through a player it wanted to install, afterwards... bingo.  ripped it with winamp
[02:34] <M_Cheevy> now, quicky question, regarding my problem ejecting cd's/dvd's... is there any risk on a single user system of setting eject "chroot +s"?
[02:39] <nalioth> M_Cheevy: it's not advised, but if it's your box, you can do as you please
[02:39] <M_Cheevy> why do I have a feeling asking that question just meant 80 people have just acquired root access to my machine?
[02:40] <M_Cheevy> nalioth: what would you say are some of the negative ramifications?
[02:40] <nalioth> system instability, M_Cheevy
[02:40] <M_Cheevy> that a disc might get ejected when it is critical that it not be, kinda thing?
[02:44] <nalioth> M_Cheevy: correct
[02:45] <M_Cheevy> nalioth: so basically, if I keep my head about me, and remember what I'm doing, I should be okay...  just trying to balance the risks against spending hours debugging hal, udev, pmount et alia
[02:45] <nalioth> M_Cheevy: correct
[02:46] <M_Cheevy> nalioth: well, correct me if I'm wrong, please, please correct me... but hal/udev/pmount ain't exactly  easy to suss out?
[02:47] <Delvien> ANYONE know how to add a music file to your AMAROK playlist using terminal or a SCRIPT?
[02:47] <AudioMove> what file do I edit or app do I install to get all my files in home for example to load up in a Gnome style(like windows explorer) and not to load in the konqueror web browser?
[02:50] <nalioth> M_Cheevy: i have no idea what hal/udev/pmount do or are. you are treading a different level than I
[02:50] <Delvien> !dcop
[02:50] <ubotu> Delvien: I don't know
[02:50] <M_Cheevy> nalioth: nah, just researching my butt off ;)
[02:50] <nalioth> AudioMove: you don't have a "home" icon in your kicker?
[02:52] <M_Cheevy> nalioth: when I moved to kde3.5 I get a "places" button in my kicker instead of a home icon.. it's right next to the Menu icon AudioMove
[02:54] <M_Cheevy> nalioth: Hal  handles hotplug hardware, udev is a dynamic device manager, and pmount automounts removable media
[02:55] <nalioth> M_Cheevy: yo hable espaol, ich spreche eine bischen deutsch, y parle un peut franais
[02:56] <M_Cheevy> je parlez un piu du francais, eine kleine hoch deutche, and piquito espanol
[02:56] <M_Cheevy>  get the "z" out of that french bit
[02:56] <nalioth> my point is: i still have no clue about those things
[02:57] <AudioMove> nalioth: i have a home icon, i just dont want its contents loading in konqueror web browser. rather a windows explorer type look, is this possible with konqueror or is their another app available that i can use?
[02:57] <M_Cheevy> nalioth: ah, but you can see why they're getting involved ;)
[02:58] <nalioth> AudioMove: it is possible with konqueror. hit f9 and then change the view type (icon, detail, info, etc) and then save your settings under Tools
[02:58] <Hobbsee> AudioMove: make konq look like windows explorer then...
[02:58] <Hobbsee> like nalioth said above
[02:58] <ice9>  No chroots found in config file '/etc/dchroot.conf'.
[02:58] <M_Cheevy> now, who can help me to teach konq not to come up when I put in audio cds or dvds?
[02:58] <ice9> how do I fix that
[02:59] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ice9 about chroot
[02:59] <Hobbsee> M_Cheevy: it's something about turning autoplay off...
[03:00] <M_Cheevy> Hobbsee: I'd rather be more specific about it.. can see it being useful with usbdrives and floppies and data cds.
[03:00] <M_Cheevy> Hobbsee: from what I've gathered it involves either ivman or pmount
[03:00] <AudioMove> cheers nalioth
[03:05] <Hobbsee> looking...
[03:06] <psyke> can someone with a fairly low-end graphics card do me a favour? Just click the hide button on the KDE panel and observe the hiding animation, is it very choppy?
[03:06] <Snake__> Hang on psyke ill tell u in a second
[03:06] <psyke> comparing to the minimizing in SUSE, it's very choppy and slow
[03:08] <Snake__> psyke: Where is the hide button
[03:08] <Snake__> lol
[03:08] <Hobbsee> M_Cheevy: remove ivman seems to be the standard solution, to be rid of the autoplay
[03:08] <Hobbsee> psyke: yeah, a little choppy - you can change the speed though
[03:08] <M_Cheevy> Hobbsee: it's overkill for what I want to do.. I like the autoplay for some things just not audio cds and dvds
[03:08] <Snake__> Hobbsee: where is the hide button!!
[03:09] <M_Cheevy> Hobbsee: er... non-data cds and dvds
[03:09] <Hobbsee> then i suggest in kcontrol, and change the settings in kde components...i guess...
[03:09] <Hobbsee> M_Cheevy:
[03:09] <Hobbsee> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-80479.html
[03:09] <Hobbsee> oops...hit the enter button too soon
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Snake__: see bottom right corner, the little arrow
[03:10] <Snake__> I must be blind...
[03:10] <Snake__> I dont see it lol
[03:10] <psyke> Snake__: sometimes it doesn't show up, you may need to use kcontrol and enable it
[03:11] <M_Cheevy> Hobbsee: interesting article.. hadn't know about the replacement of ivman with autoplay in kde3.5  that might be my problem....
[03:11] <Snake__> ....
[03:12] <psyke> Hobbsee: another test if you're willing; open just a terminal with top and minimize everything else, then highlight an empty part of the desktop and watch CPU use. Then highlight some icons and watch the CPU and mouse movement. On my system it maxes out the CPU (Xorg process)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> could well be
[03:12] <Snake__> psyke: my dragging thing starts to lag when I do that
[03:12] <Snake__> I thought that was odd
[03:13] <M_Cheevy> Hobbsee: I think ivman is still installed
[03:13] <psyke> Snake__: kcontrol, Appearance, Background, Advanced, disable the shadow on text (uncheck) and apply, then try it again...
[03:13] <Hobbsee> psyke: xorg stays at around 13% memory, doing all those things...
[03:13] <Hobbsee> goes from anywhere to 3-15% cpu
[03:14] <psyke> Hobbsee: what about CPU?
[03:14] <Snake__> Nope still lags psyke but aw well
[03:14] <psyke> Hobbsee: does the CPU increase if you're highlighting icons compared to nothing, and do you notice the mouse jerking?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> dont think so, and havent noticed mouse jerking
[03:15] <Hobbsee> this is an intel integrated graphics card
[03:15] <psyke> these are just examples of pretty bad 2D performance I've experienced in Ubuntu; I've tried Knoppix (although it's XFree86) and SUSE 10 and those distros have very, very smooth 2D acceleration and no lags or high CPU use
[03:16] <psyke> I've done all the obvious things such as the nvidia drivers and 686 kernel; in fact I notice the slowness on my desktop PC and laptop (nvidia and ati drivers)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> file some bugs for them?
[03:17] <psyke> Hobbsee: it's a little difficult to file one, I don't know if those tests are reproducable, and the slow rubberband effect is already filed (with no answer)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> true, i guess
[03:17] <psyke> Snake__: sorry, I meant to ask you to go to kcontrol, Appearance, Style, then disable the rubberband effect (I think change from translucent to disabled), that should speed up the highlighting
[03:18] <zenlunatic> i installed kubuntu-desktop in ubuntu and when in kde my sound doesn't work, but it works in gnome?
[03:18] <psyke> there's no real visible jerkiness when you do that, but the CPU use is still high, 60% or so for Xorg
[03:19] <Snake__> Hey thanks psyke!
[03:19] <Snake__> :)
[03:19] <Snake__> a minor annoyance but fixed non the less
[03:20] <psyke> Snake__: what gfxcard are you using?
[03:20] <Snake__> Uhhh Crystal S3 I believe
[03:20] <psyke> it's old?
[03:20] <Snake__> Something like that, they are on a year 2000 Laptop
[03:21] <psyke> Snake__: if you're feeling adventerous I'd recommend you download Knoppix and give it a shot (it's just a LiveCD), you may find the general 2D performance much better than Breezy (if your experience is anything like mine)..
[03:21] <psyke> it's an awful shame, I love Ubuntu otherwise :).. but it's a bit slow
[03:21] <psyke> 3D accelleration is fine...
[03:21] <Snake__> I got knoppix
[03:22] <Snake__> Great OS
[03:22] <psyke> Snake__: you didn't notice the speed difference?
[03:22] <Snake__> No I did
[03:22] <Snake__> Thats why it caught me a little off guard
[03:22] <Snake__> actually I started on knoppix...that was a fun lil OS...
[03:22] <Knowerrors> Anbody know a website that suggests a username based on personal questions?
[03:23] <psyke> maybe your system is a little faster than mine (most likely), but the lagginess of Ubuntu annoys me a little, in fact Knoppix is more responsive than Windows (and with all the criticisms of Windows you can think of, it's pretty snappy for simple operations)
[03:23] <Snake__> The only reason I wont dis windows is because I know it so well, so if I need to do something, I know exactly how to do it
[03:23] <Snake__> thats how I hope to get with linux
[03:24] <psyke> I'm running Dapper now, and the new Xorg is a little faster, the jerkiness is less noticeable, but in Knoppix it was simply perfect, really really smooth
[03:24] <Snake__> Hobbsee: is splutter a word?
[03:24] <Snake__> lol
[03:24] <Hobbsee> i think so!
[03:24] <psyke> Hobbsee: no need to splutter, but the truth is that Ubuntu is laggy on my two machines (everything else is perfect)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> ah, that probably doesnt help - i'm on dapper too today...
[03:25] <steve_laptop> lol
[03:25] <Snake__> psyke: I'm running 800 MHz PC with 512 RAM and Savage S3 Graphics
[03:25] <Snake__> if that helps u in any way shape or form
[03:25] <psyke> Snake__: my laptop is a 700mhz PIII with 192mb ram, pretty modest, but it runs Knoppix and SUSE very fast
[03:26] <nalioth> psyke: do you know about xubuntu?
[03:26] <Snake__> psyke: try xubuntu
[03:26] <Snake__> I got xfce on this system, it runs awesome
[03:26] <psyke> nalioth: I tried it when I was running breezy, it was faster, but once you use a GTK/KDE app (which is inevitable), the slowness is evident
[03:26] <steve_laptop> anyone running kubuntu on a sony?
[03:27] <randabis> gah this hotspot sucks
[03:27] <psyke> nalioth: it's not an ideal solution, I'd prefer the slowness to be fixed; it's not unreasonable because I'm comparing to another Debian based distro on the same hardware (although it's not Xorg in Knoppix)
[03:27] <M_Cheevy> Hobbsee: weeeelll... it nuked a little more than I wanted it to but... at least now Konq don't popup when I put in a non-data dvd or cd... but nor does it auto-open kaffiene
[03:28] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[03:28] <psyke> Snake__: when you run firefox, for example, do you notice the sluggishness (even in xfce)?
[03:29] <Snake__> I notice it a bit on KDE but not xfc
[03:29] <Snake__> e
[03:30] <psyke> have you tried GNOME? I've always heard KDE is bloat (and I kinda felt that way since I first used Linux in 2000), but GNOME is actually much slower than KDE on my system
[03:30] <M_Cheevy> Hobbsee: so whoopie do.. it's two clicks away... I'll wrap my head around it....
[03:30] <Snake__> I've only used gnome on my main rig
[03:30] <steve_laptop> I dont see any slugguihness on my other sony then again its got 2.66 with 1.5G ram
[03:30] <Snake__> which is wayy better than this
[03:30] <Hobbsee> steve_laptop: hehe - there should be any sluggishness for any reason with system settings like that!
[03:31] <psyke> yeah I think there's a certain threshold where this slowness would be offset by a powerful CPU or good graphics card, but it's not ideal to leave performance problems unfixed
[03:31] <Snake__> psyke: heres what you need to do.
[03:31] <Snake__> You reformat, and type "Server" at the install part
[03:31] <Snake__> :-P
[03:31] <psyke> Linux has always been ideal for older PCs because of good hardware support for older hardware and modest requirements
[03:32] <psyke> Snake__: I've done that ;)... but it's tough to measure Xorg performance when it's not installed :P
[03:32] <Snake__> :D
[03:32] <psyke> seriously, I've tried xubuntu-desktop, it's pretty snappy but once you run a non-xfce app you notice the slowness
[03:32] <Snake__> Well I dont think KDE has machines slower than maybe 1 ghz in mind
[03:33] <psyke> Snake__: Knoppix runs faster than Windows...
[03:33] <Snake__> psyke: Ah yes good point
[03:33] <Snake__> psyke: I stand corrected
[03:33] <psyke> my desktop pc is old, it's a 400mhz pentium 2, and it's very responsive in Knoppix and SUSE
[03:33] <M_Cheevy> btw, with kde3.5 an Nvidia GeForce 4Ti w/128 @ 553.5MHz, running 1280x1024,1024x768@24bit, should my Gears (GL) be only doing 85fps?
[03:33] <psyke> the laptop is newer but the slowness is still noticeable
[03:34] <psyke> M_Cheevy: glxinfo | grep direct
[03:34] <steve_laptop> M_Cheevy, thANKS psyke
[03:34] <steve_laptop> :)
[03:34] <M_Cheevy> psyke: response: yes
[03:35] <psyke> if it says direct rendering: no, then you need to install nvidia-glx then enable it (sudo nvidia-config enable), or if it doesn't work, edit Xorg.conf and change Load "nv" to Load "nvidia"
[03:35] <M_Cheevy> psyke: it said "yes", not "no"
[03:35] <randabis> can't go wrong with xfce or one of the *boxes
[03:35] <psyke> M_Cheevy: make sure nvidia-glx is installed, then try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:36] <psyke> make sure you use the nvidia module
[03:36] <Snake__> How would you restart X?
[03:36] <M_Cheevy> psyke: also already running with nvidia drivers... have never seen performance higher.. have already tweaked my xorg.conf
[03:36] <Snake__> I have yet to figur ethis out
[03:36] <psyke> Snake__: control alt + backspace
[03:36] <Snake__> lol
[03:36] <steve_laptop> [root@localhost ~] # glxgears
[03:36] <steve_laptop> 9145 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1829.000 FPS
[03:36] <steve_laptop> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[03:36] <sampan> has anyone used those external USB bays for 3.5" HDs?  i have a couple extra HDs around and was thinking of putting them in those bays, but wasn't sure if k/ubuntu would be able to format them over a USB connection
[03:36] <steve_laptop> LOLOL
[03:37] <swim> is there anyway to make konqueror open a seperate window when it needs to be a file manager when it's already open as a browser?
[03:37] <xtacocorex> sampan: i got an external enclosure for a 2.5in drive and was able to format it from linux
[03:37] <xtacocorex> sampan: i don't remember when i did it though
[03:37] <psyke> M_Cheevy: did you comment out Load "dri" and "GLcore", and comment out the DRI lines at the end?
[03:38] <xtacocorex> sampan: you just need to know what device it loads under, mine is /dev/sda1
[03:38] <M_Cheevy> psyke: have read I don't want to use the agpgart drivers if I can help it but rather should let nvidia handle the agp with "NvAGP" "1" in the options
[03:38] <psyke> M_Cheevy: I don't think it makes a huge difference to performance, but if you use Nvidia's AGP support you may need to blacklist the kernel's AGP module
[03:38] <M_Cheevy> psyke: dri is toast but GLCore wasn't... have just "#"'d it
[03:38] <xtacocorex> swim: just open another tab and browse to the directory you want
[03:38] <sampan> xtacocorex  good to know that it's possible at least.  i almost bought an enclosure today at fry's, but stopped because i honestly didn't know how to go about formatting -- mounting, i figured would be okay, but once mounted, how to format ...
[03:38] <M_Cheevy> psyke: have already blacklisted it, but it loads regardless...
[03:39] <M_Cheevy> brb
[03:39] <xtacocorex> sampan: i'd try to find one that has some sort of ability to work under linux though
[03:39] <psyke> M_Cheevy: I'd recommend reconfiguring Xorg to use nvidia and only edit the basics in Xorg (comment out DRI and GLCore).. forget about tweaks first, and test if the basic setup gives you good performance
[03:39] <sampan> xtacocorex  heh -- they all just list win and mac :/
[03:39] <xtacocorex> sampan: i searched tigerdirect.com for a while before i found one that worked
[03:39] <swim> xtacocorex: yes I know I can do that, but I'd like konqueror to open a seperate window as the file manager profile when it's going to be a file manager, even if it's open as a browser already...
[03:40] <xtacocorex> sampan: i'm sure that it would work though
[03:40] <xtacocorex> swim: kfmclient exec <path> might do what you
[03:40] <psyke> Snake__: you must have discovered how to restart X, huh? ;)
[03:41] <sampan> xtacocorex  cool ... just glad to know someone else got it to work :)
[03:41] <nalioth> swim: then type in konsole, "konqueror --help" and it should give you some ideas of what to put in your new launcher
[03:41] <swim> ok thx xtacocorex, nalioth
[03:41] <xtacocorex> sampan: yeah, winxp won't format fat32 so i had to do it with mkdosfs
[03:42] <xtacocorex> swim: np
[03:43] <sampan> xtacocorex  i don't have a win install, so ext3 would be what i need on there (and iirc all the extra HDs are ntfs right now)
[03:43] <xtacocorex> sampan: that shouldn't be a problem at all then once you get the enclosures
[03:44] <Snake__> lol
[03:44] <Snake__> ya
[03:44] <M_Cheevy> psyke: sorry, no performance change
[03:45] <Snake__> Hey does anyone in here know windows like the back of their hand?
[03:45] <xtacocorex> Snake__: i could probably figure it out
[03:45] <M_Cheevy> Snake__: what's the question...
[03:46] <Snake__> M_Cheevy , xtacocorex I got a home network, and suddenly when I try to access my music folders it asks me for a password
[03:46] <Snake__> How do I get rid of it (This is between 2 windows PCs)
[03:46] <xtacocorex> Snake__: os versions?
[03:46] <M_Cheevy> Snake: ah... networked...
[03:46] <Snake__> Both XP
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Snake__: make sure both folders are shared without passwords?
[03:46] <Snake__> All my folders are locked
[03:47] <M_Cheevy> Snake: username/password pair the same on both machines? and both users set as powerusers?
[03:47] <Snake__> all 4 of shared folders, when I try to access them require a username and password
[03:47] <psyke> M_Cheevy: you may be getting an incorrect fps score (glxgears isn't supposed to be a benchmark tool).. try tuxracer and see if it works smoothly
[03:47] <psyke> if glxgears is only giving you 85fps you'll certainly notice it in tuxracer (it's a little slow on my system that only gets 400fps)
[03:48] <xtacocorex> Snake__: yeah, it deals with the sharing permissions
[03:48] <M_Cheevy> psyke: is there an fps meter in tuxracer?
[03:48] <Snake__> So I should check my folders?
[03:48] <xtacocorex> Snake__: if i had a windows box next to me, i'd be able to figure it out faster
[03:48] <psyke> M_Cheevy: don't think so.. I think one of the gl tron games does, though.. armagetron perhaps (I'm not in linux atm, can't check the proper name)
[03:48] <M_Cheevy> Snake: yes, check folders, best when both machines are up and user is logged into both... then you can add them to the permissions (you may have to turn OFF simple sharing)
[03:48] <Snake__> I know windows pretty well and it stumped me lol
[03:48] <psyke> you may beed the universe repo
[03:49] <psyke> need
[03:49] <M_Cheevy> pyske: I think I know the one you mean, believe it's already installed... noticed the tron armaggedon thing myself
[03:49] <psyke> M_Cheevy: yep, during the game I think it shows the fps, I got about 30-40 on my system
[03:50] <M_Cheevy> bbias
[03:57] <Snake__> xtacocorex: Okay, I set it for everyone to be allowed to read, and it still says that
[03:57] <Snake__> but then a little IP error pops up in the corner of my server when I do
[03:57] <Snake__> a IP conflict
[03:58] <xtacocorex> Snake__: hmm
[03:58] <xtacocorex> Snake__: i hate ip conflicts
[03:58] <Snake__> lol
[03:59] <xtacocorex> Snake__: are the machines on dhcp?
[03:59] <Snake__> All but the server, but I got the router to start servering up ips after xxx.xxx.xx.105
[03:59] <Snake__> the server is 101
[04:00] <xtacocorex> Snake__: there shouldn't be an ip conflict with that setup, unless one of the machines on the dhcp crashed during a re-lease of its ip
[04:00] <Snake__> How would I solve that?
[04:01] <Snake__> IP release renew?
[04:01] <kairu0> hey all
[04:01] <kairu0> where do i enable drop shadows under my windows in kde?
[04:01] <treakath> hey snake
[04:01] <_mark> Hello
[04:01] <Snake__> hello treakath
[04:01] <xtacocorex> Snake__: i would try that, but i haven't messed with windows networking for 6 months now so it's been a while on that front
[04:02] <treakath> talk to you later kk
[04:02] <Snake__> Hmm ok
[04:02] <M_Cheevy> psyke: same numbers, but pretty smooth performance from tuxracer @ 1280x1024
[04:02] <xtacocorex> Snake__: i feel like i sorta screwed you up even more
[04:02] <Snake__> ys that?
[04:02] <xtacocorex> Snake__: the fact that i can't remember what to do
[04:03] <Snake__> lol
[04:03] <M_Cheevy> what's the buzz snake?  still having permission problems?
[04:03] <xtacocorex> kairu0: do you have the xcomposite manager and an nvidia graphics card?
[04:03] <Snake__> ya, except when I try to access the folder, my server tells me theres a IP Conflict
[04:03] <Snake__> Down in the corner
[04:04] <Snake__> so im going to try to do a release renew
[04:04] <kairu0> xtacocorex, xcomposite manager means i need to install xcompset?
[04:04] <M_Cheevy> Snake: that's one solution... are you running dhcp in the house?
[04:05] <xtacocorex> kairu0: i'm trying to find the forum post that details how to install it, it will probably crash your machine since xcomposite is being developed very heavily
[04:05] <kairu0> xtacocorex, oops xcompmgr. and yes i have it installed. i dont have an nvidia card
[04:05] <M_Cheevy> hmm, I wonder if he knows that he'll probably get dropped from here when he does that...
[04:05] <Snake__> M_Cheevy: no I wont, this isn't the client PC
[04:05] <xtacocorex> kairu0: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75527
[04:06] <M_Cheevy> Snake: just so you know, release renew only works if you have a dhcp server on your net
[04:06] <serg> just installed kubuntu (breezy, well reinstalled) i have a new gfx card (nvidia geforce 5200), reboot - fine, but when i do apt-get upgrade on a vanilla system and then try to reboot i get a system freez  during booting stage - it freezes on a line "checking battery status"  any ideas why this is happening and how to fix it?
[04:06] <Snake__> And yes dhcp is running, but its set to dispense IPs after .105
[04:06] <Snake__> the server is .101
[04:06] <kairu0> xtacocorex, thanks man
[04:06] <M_Cheevy> and the server is where the share is you want to access?
[04:06] <xtacocorex> kairu0: that should give you the instructions, i don't have it installed because my graphics card is only 32 mb
[04:06] <xtacocorex> kairu0: np
[04:07] <blanky> is kubuntu getting any better?
[04:07] <M_Cheevy> (off in chat)
[04:07] <blanky> is it just as buggy as it was?
[04:07] <xtacocorex> blanky: what do you mean by buggy?
[04:08] <blanky> i dont know, there'd be problems with permissions and stuff
[04:08] <blanky> xtacocorex, or maybe it's that im running it off my ubuntu box
[04:08] <kakei> hi,hey if i download a font front dafont.com where i have to unzip it to use it
[04:08] <bimberi> "How to make friends in an IRC Channel" by B. Lanky :P
[04:08] <xtacocorex> blanky: the only problem i've had is the administrator mode button in kcontrol, but that's fixed in kde 3.5
[04:10] <M_Cheevy> bimberi: better than "How to Piss Off People on Irc", no?
[04:11] <bimberi> M_Cheevy: :)
[04:11] <M_Cheevy> bimberi: good way to never get any answers to your questions ;)
[04:11] <M_Cheevy> I guess that book would have been written by Basil Fawlty ;)
[04:12] <bimberi> lol
[04:12] <M_Cheevy> actually John Cleese did do a film on How to Irritate People
[04:13] <M_Cheevy> bimberi: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063100/
[04:13] <Snake____> M_Cheevy: you here?
[04:13] <M_Cheevy> yeap
[04:13] <Snake____> ok back to PM
[04:14] <Snake____> Arghhh
[04:14] <Snake____> snake__ needs to get kicked out so I can pm...
[04:14] <M_Cheevy> did you register with nickserv?
[04:14] <bimberi> Snake__: /msg nickserv ghost Snake__ <password>
[04:14] <Snake____> I did under snake__
[04:15] <bimberi> er, Snake____ ^^^
[04:15] <Snake____> Thanks :)
[04:15] <M_Cheevy> now just change your nick back to what nickserv knows and re-ident yourself
[04:15] <Snake__> Yay
[04:15] <Snake__> Thats so cool..if someone takes my name I can just kick em off
[04:15] <M_Cheevy> I often irc from my laptop (wireless) so have gotten to know the ghost command pretty well
[04:16] <M_Cheevy> that's the idea of nickserv ;)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> ghost is definetly useful
[04:19] <M_Cheevy> got that right hobbsee
[04:19] <M_Cheevy> I'm assuming you got that from calvin &?
[04:19] <Hobbsee_away> me?  no
[04:19] <Hobbsee_away> nope, not at all
[04:19] <Hobbsee_away> it's a nickname i've had for many years
[04:24] <ice9> wine repositories don't work
[04:24] <ice9> how do you install wine ?
[04:24] <bimberi> ice9: what repo are you using?
[04:25] <ice9> deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[04:25] <ice9> deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/
[04:25] <bimberi> ice9: hm, ok, that's what i used (a couple of weeks ago) - what's the error?
[04:26] <ice9> E: Malformed line 40 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse)
[04:26] <ice9> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[04:26] <ice9> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[04:27] <ice9> The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences.
[04:27] <bimberi> ice9: ok, paste line 40 of /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:27] <ice9> eb-src deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/ http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt binary/ source/
[04:28] <bimberi> ice9: ah, should be a newline between "...source/" and "http..."
[04:28] <ice9> one sec
[04:29] <bimberi> ice9: there should be two lines - jus tlike the two you posted above
[04:30] <ice9> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:30] <ice9> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:30] <ice9> is only available from another source
[04:30] <ice9> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[04:31] <ice9> deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[04:31] <ice9> deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/
[04:31] <ice9> and thats what I have
[04:31] <ice9> exactly like winehq
[04:31] <bimberi> did you sudo apt-get update ?
[04:31] <ice9> yep
[04:32] <ice9> hmm
[04:33] <ice9> what did I do wrong
[04:33] <bimberi> ice9: ok, paste the whole sources.list to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:33] <ice9> k
[04:35] <ice9> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/474588
[04:36] <ice9> is that right  ?
[04:48] <fit4lfe> !chroot
[04:48] <ubotu> well, chroot is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[04:54] <bimberi> fit4lfe: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=101884
[05:27] <xtacocorex> anyone have an idea as to why my external usb harddrive suddenly doesn't work?
[05:28] <xtacocorex> the last i used it was playing ogg files off of it in winxp at work, but i didn't clear the windows media playlist
[05:28] <xtacocorex> could it be that the program locked the drive so i can't read it now when i'm chillin in kubuntu?
[05:31] <xtacocorex> dmesg does pick up the drive when it's plugged it, just won't mount it like it used to
[05:42] <blanky> hey guys
[05:42] <ArthurB> Hi, is xorg 7.0 coming to breezy ?
[05:44] <fit4lfe> ok I got problems with my repositories on chroot
[05:44] <fit4lfe> can some one help
[05:44] <nalioth> ArthurB: it is not
[05:44] <ArthurB> :(
[05:44] <nalioth> ArthurB: with a 6 month release cycle, there are many feature freezes
[05:45] <xtacocorex> nalioth: can't they backport it if it fixes security issues?
[05:45] <ArthurB> yeah but is there a semi official package ?
[05:45] <fit4lfe> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/474635
[05:46] <seth_k|lappy> xtacocorex, security issues are backported on a case-by-case basis with small patches, not by backporting the whole of Xorg 7
[05:46] <nalioth> xtacocorex: all security issues for the current xorg will appear. backporting xorg may be more than they want to tackle
[05:46] <seth_k|lappy> s/may/will/ :P
[05:46] <ArthurB> ok ok but is there a package available that will not break my kubuntu
[05:46] <seth_k|lappy> no.
[05:46] <xtacocorex> ah, thanks for the info
[05:46] <seth_k|lappy> just upgrade to dapper if you want xorg7 that badly
[05:46] <seth_k|lappy> I'm running it right now :)
[05:47] <ArthurB> dapper ?
[05:47] <seth_k|lappy> yeah
[05:47] <ArthurB> is it the successor to breezy ?
[05:47] <seth_k|lappy> indeed
[05:47] <ArthurB> it has xorg 7.0 ?
[05:47] <fit4lfe> can anyone take a look at that pls
[05:48] <fit4lfe> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/474635
[05:48] <seth_k|lappy> Right now it has 7.0 RC 4
[05:48] <xtacocorex> fit4lfe: i'm looking at it, but i don't know what you did
[05:48] <ArthurB> what animal is dapper ?
[05:48] <seth_k|lappy> a Drake
[05:48] <seth_k|lappy> (duck)
[05:48] <ArthurB> oh cool
[05:48] <seth_k|lappy> fit4lfe, kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:48] <seth_k|lappy> fit4lfe, remove the cdrom lines
[05:48] <fit4lfe> is that it
[05:48] <seth_k|lappy> fit4lfe, then save the file, close, and "sudo apt-get update"
[05:48] <seth_k|lappy> yup
[05:49] <fit4lfe> k
[05:49] <ArthurB> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade .... mommy I'm scared
[05:49] <seth_k|lappy> haha
[05:49] <fit4lfe> so just remove the first line then
[05:49] <seth_k|lappy> well right now, nothing's broken
[05:49] <seth_k|lappy> fit4lfe, correct
[05:49] <fit4lfe> k thx
[05:49] <seth_k|lappy> ArthurB, you'll even get Firefox 1.5
[05:49] <ArthurB> Need to get 526Mo out of Archive
[05:49] <ArthurB> ouf
[05:50] <ArthurB> ur
[05:50] <ArthurB> let's go
[05:50] <ArthurB> Need to get 562MB of archives. After unpacking 25.7MB disk space will be freed.
[05:50] <ArthurB> lol
[05:50] <ArthurB> LOOOL
[05:52] <ArthurB> :)
[05:53] <ArthurB> 265kB/s
[05:53] <ArthurB> This release of kubuntu is brought to you by your neighbour's broadband
[05:53] <fit4lfe> synaptic:3344): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[05:53] <fit4lfe>         Using the fallback 'C' locale.
[05:53] <fit4lfe> _X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for localhost:6000: Name or service not known
[05:53] <fit4lfe> (synaptic:3344): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[05:53] <fit4lfe> how about this
[05:53] <fit4lfe> its in my chroot
[05:53] <ArthurB> shit 330
[05:53] <bimberi> lol ArthurB
[05:53] <fit4lfe> how can I correct this
[05:53] <seth_k|lappy> ArthurB, language please
[05:54] <seth_k|lappy> fit4lfe, does that error actually cause synaptic to bomb out?
[05:54] <fit4lfe> yes
[05:54] <ArthurB> shouldn't language filterting be client side ?
[05:54] <fit4lfe> in my 32 chroot yes
[05:54] <bimberi> lol @ "your neighbour's broadband" that was :P
[05:55] <seth_k|lappy> fit4lfe, little clue. I would guess that something from the chroot doesn't map correctly.
[05:55] <ArthurB> this wouldn't be possible without the marvels of default wifi confs
[05:55] <ArthurB> HI neighbour ? Ya running etheral ?
[05:55] <fit4lfe> I don't even know where to start
[06:03] <kwtm> Is there some way to get at the KDE Hardware module under System Settings (KControl)?  Ubuntu seems to have disabled it, and I can't get the required info to get my video card working.
[06:04] <blanky> hey guys, i installed kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu, but it's extremeely slow (I have 2.5 ghz, 512mb, 40 gigs). Would it be faster if I just install the OS?
[06:06] <blanky> anyone?
[06:06] <kwtm> blanky: No idea; I just installed kUbuntu directly.
[06:06] <nalioth> blanky: no.
[06:07] <kwtm> Hey, when you add the kubuntu-desktop, do you get the Hardware module under system settings?  Ie. is there such an entry?
[06:07] <blanky> nalioth, seruosly? i KNOW that my pc could run this faster, i dont know why it's goign this slow, even a live cd with kde is faster
[06:07] <blanky> kwtm, you have kubuntu-desktop or the OS
[06:08] <nalioth> blanky: running "kubuntu by itself" isnt any different than running kubuntu with x/e/f/ubuntu installed also
[06:08] <blanky> iow, did you install from the CD or did you get kubuntu-desktop from aptitude/synaptic
[06:08] <kwtm> I have the OS; ie. no GNOME was ever installed.  (Of course, Kubuntu the distro contains kubuntu-desktop)
[06:08] <blanky> nalioth, man, I just dont know why it's going this slow man. let me restart, i doubt it'll fix anything
[06:08] <kwtm> Sometimes KDE slows down.  Someone once told me
[06:09] <blanky> LOL
[06:09] <kwtm> that it might be because of unnecessary config files that the system has to muddle through.
[06:09] <blanky> this is insane though, if i could record it in video i'd send you the video file
[06:09] <blanky> it's not even funny
[06:09] <blanky> let me try and restart
[06:09] <kwtm> blanky, don't, not yet.
[06:09] <blanky> kwtm, okay waht
[06:09] <kwtm> Try instead to rename your .kde directory, so it won't find it.
[06:09] <nalioth> blanky: a complete restart may not be necessary
[06:09] <kwtm> THen it will reinstall.  You restart from a ffresh install.  Maybe that will speed it up.
[06:09] <kwtm> If it does, then you know you need to selectively move only
[06:10] <blanky> i remember my kubuntu-desktop was ALOT faster last time i installed it (i uninstalled it last time and the .kde folder was still there)
[06:10] <fit4lfe> how do you start applications in chroot
[06:10] <kwtm> what you need from the old .kde directory to your new .kde directory.
[06:10] <fit4lfe> like firefox
[06:10] <blanky> kwtm, yeah maybe, because my .kde directory remained there from my last uninstall
[06:10] <blanky> you might be right kwtm! let me try
[06:10] <blanky> rofl, so slooow, if i could even get to that
[06:11] <kwtm> fit4lfe: don't hae experience with chroot.  I think the command is "chroot firefox", but then you have to make sure that the chroot jail contains all the necessary files.
[06:11] <kwtm> fit4lfe: I don't know if you need to reproduce the /dev directories and all that.  Not sure.
[06:12] <blanky> how do you view hidden files and folders in konqueror
[06:13] <blanky> in nautilus you just do CTRL+H
[06:13] <xtacocorex> blanky: in the view menu, selest the show hidden files option
[06:13] <blanky> yeah i did that, thanks xtacocorex, i was looking for a shortcut
[06:13] <blanky> okay kwtm, i renamed it
[06:14] <xtacocorex> blanky: oh, i don't know one
[06:14] <blanky> xtacocorex, its okay
[06:14] <blanky> kwtm you there bud?
[06:14] <blanky> I renamed it, now do I restart?
[06:14] <blanky> kwtm!!!! :'(
[06:15] <blanky> i'll restart, later buds!
[06:22] <blanky> KWTM IT WORKED!
[06:22] <blanky> THANKS!
[06:22] <kwtm> Hey!
[06:22] <blanky> :)
[06:22] <kwtm> Okay, so now you have to figure out what to copy.
[06:22] <blanky> thanks man!
[06:23] <blanky> kwtm, nah, I dont wanna copy nothin
[06:23] <kwtm> You will find all the config files under
[06:23] <blanky> .blah, which is what i renamed it
[06:23] <kwtm> blanky: -- okay, but just in case you want to do this again:
[06:23] <blanky> okay
[06:24] <kwtm> blanky: It's under ~/.kde/share/config/[applicationname] rc
[06:24] <kwtm> For example, ,kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[06:24] <blanky> okay
[06:24] <kwtm> That way, if you set up stuff just the way you like, you can copy those files.  Then you can forget the rest.
[06:24] <blanky> okay :)
[06:24] <kwtm> Okay, I'm going to figure other stuff out. :)  See ya!
[06:25] <ejofee> what is magic sysrq?
[06:27] <blanky> by kwtm, thanks
[06:37] <blanky> how can i change the format in which my clock on the bottom right is displayed, i dont like 24 hour format
[06:39] <xtacocorex> blanky: the 'country/regional & language' under the 'regional & accessibility' menu in kcontrol
[06:40] <xtacocorex> might need to use sudo
[06:40] <xtacocorex> maybe not
[06:40] <blanky> xtacocorex, okay
[06:41] <xtacocorex> blanky: there is a time and date tab, the time that you want is formatted starting with pH:
[06:41] <blanky> xtacocorex, whta do i change it to, i want to change it from 24 hour format to 12 hour format
[06:42] <blanky> xtacocorex, please? Sorry man, I'm a noob at this kde stuff lol
[06:42] <xtacocorex> blanky: there is a down arrow for the combo box labeled time format that has formats in it
[06:43] <blanky> thanks buddy!
[06:43] <xtacocorex> blanky: glad to help
[06:44] <blanky> xtacocorex, i changed it and it said settings applied and all, but it apparently it hasn't changed lol
[06:45] <xtacocorex> blanky: i think the clock changes on a restart, but i can't be sure on that
[06:45] <blanky> xtacocorex, okay thanks bud!
[06:45] <blanky> hey, i have extra buttons on my mouse, is there any way to bind those to certain keys or combinations of keys?
[06:45] <xtacocorex> blanky: hopefully that works, if not, i led you astray
[06:45] <blanky> xtacocorex, lol dont worry bud
[06:46] <blanky> what can I do to list the processes
[06:46] <xtacocorex> blanky: there are many ways: running ksysguard (gui), from the command line you can use top
[06:46] <xtacocorex> blanky: top is a looping program, so if you want to have it run once use top -b -n1
[06:47] <blanky> xtacocorex, looping program?
[06:47] <xtacocorex> blanky: it keeps updating itself in the terminal window, so you have to type q to exit the program
[06:48] <blanky> lol okay
[06:48] <blanky> ksysguard right?
[06:48] <xtacocorex> blanky: yes
[06:52] <xtacocorex> blanky: good luck with everything, i must take my dog outside and then head to bed
[06:53] <angasule> what's the difference between vim-gtk and vim-gnome? they seem to be the same package
[06:54] <blanky> xtacocorex_sleep, okay
[06:54] <M_Cheevy> anyone feel up to debugging a cd/dvd eject permissions problem?
[06:55] <ArthurB> ok the dl is done
[06:55] <ArthurB> here come the painful conflicts
[06:55] <ArthurB> I bet 5/1 on a Package X needs Package Y but it's not going to be installed at some time
[07:00] <Snake__> !lart
[07:00] <Snake__> lol
[07:02] <smonkey> Does it strinke anyone else as odd that Ubuntu provides reiser4 programs, but the kernels have no support for reiser4?
[07:02] <theCore> Snake__: lart has been disabled
[07:03] <Snake__> Whats it do
[07:03] <Snake__> thats all im wontin
[07:03] <Snake__> wondering(
[07:03] <theCore> Snake__: it make ubotu chop your head ;-)
[07:03] <Snake__> ...
[07:07] <theCore> Snake__: btw, lart mean "Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool"
[07:07] <Snake__> thats beautiful. What does it do!
[09:43] <treakath> hey brad
[09:46] <linlin> hi im looking for info to get a soundblaster pro 5.1 live gold edition sound card working any way possible.
[09:55] <reon> Any ideas why Kate does not want to work with sudo ??? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/474742
[09:55] <neoncode> reon: don't use sudo with grapical apps like that just kdesu "kdesu kate"
[09:57] <reon> kdesu kate just hangs ?
[09:58] <reon> neoncode: is their a simpler/vanilla text editor like 'gedit' available ?
[09:59] <neoncode> reon: dunno... VIM? emacs?
[10:00] <reon> neoncode:I just installed gedit with all of its gnome bagage
[10:01] <linlin> how do i install vlc media player ?
[10:03] <sampan> linlin, if you have the universe repositories enabled, you can install vlc either via adept/synaptic/aptitude, or by (in console) sudo apt-get install vlc
[10:03] <linlin> ok yeah i just did that actually, right after i asked i answered my own question :p
[10:03] <sampan> ;)
[10:07] <linlin> ok, this is a bit more complicated, i ran sudo apt-get install kftpgrabber and it came up that theres no packages found
[10:07] <linlin> does this mean its not in the repos?
[10:10] <reon> How would one install KDE3.5 ?
[10:10] <sampan> reon, start by reading the topic?
[10:11] <reon> sampan: yes, added repo. got keys. Best I just go to the forum rather.
[10:13] <sampan> linlin, apt-cache search kftpgrabber draws a blank for me too
[10:15] <linlin> darn
[10:15] <sampan> reon, if you've added the source and key then it's just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:15] <linlin> someone should really add it to the repos :)
[10:15] <neoncode> linlin: Don't look at me
[10:15] <linlin> i would if i knew how
[10:16] <reon> sampan: Thanks, did that, clicked the full upgrade button and closed it as I was expecting other upgrades. I know see it is actually busy downloading/installing 3.5.
[10:16] <sampan> reon, cool :)  hope it works well for you
[10:17] <linlin> checking for X..... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths
[10:17] <reon> sampan: So hopefully all is well in a few minutes from now.
[10:17] <sampan> !xincludes
[10:17] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[10:17] <linlin> any ideas :-( ?
[10:17] <sampan> linlin, yep -- read ubotu's line above ;)
[10:18] <linlin> sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev xlibs-static-dev x-window-system-dev work?
[10:19] <kkathman> yep
[10:19] <kkathman> thats them
[10:20] <sampan> night kkathman-zzzz :)
[10:20] <kkathman-zzzz> night sampan :)
[10:21] <sampan> night john boy
[10:21] <linlin> !qtincludes
[10:21] <ubotu> Not a clue, linlin
[10:21] <sampan> night mary ellen
[10:21] <linlin> im looking for Qt headers and libraries now
[10:23] <sampan> !qtheaders
[10:23] <ubotu> sampan: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:23] <sampan> :/
[10:23] <linlin> stay away from the windmills
[10:23] <treakath> hey all
[10:23] <reon> I think sampan is going to sleep....
[10:26] <linlin> !libjpeg
[10:26] <ubotu> linlin: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:26] <linlin> !libjpg
[10:26] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, linlin
[10:28] <melonipoika> hi, can ayone tell me how to make kdm defualt? at the moment my default session is gnome, and i would make kde the default one...
[10:31] <sampan> melonipoika  assuming you've installed kubuntu-desktop or kde, log out, and log back in but make sure to choose KDE "session" (should be a clickable label: session), then choose "make default" when it asks whether to make kde the default or "just for this session"
[10:32] <melonipoika> sampan, my default session manager is kde, and it doesn't offer me this possibility, i think only gnome one is asking that... do you know how to do it once loged in?
[10:34] <sampan> melonipoika  i'm confused now.  you asked how to make kde default, but now are saying it is the default?
[10:34] <melonipoika> sorry, i will try to explain myself
[10:34] <melonipoika> my default session manager is kde, that is, the screen where you choose the user and so on
[10:35] <melonipoika> but my default session is gnome :D
[10:35] <melonipoika> and that is what i want to change to kde
[10:35] <melonipoika> (once i log in)
[10:35] <mats> Hi, I'm not able to burn dvd's reliably. K3b data verification fails du to differences in md5sum. I'm trying to burn gzipped tarballs atm. They are fine on my hd but get corrupted on the dvd. This happens on both dvd-rw and +rw discs. Can someone help?
[10:36] <sampan> hrmmmmmm ... afaik, kdm should let you set kde as the default at the log in screen -- at least, i'm pretty sure that's exactly how i did it (installed kubuntu-desktop, set my dm to kdm, instead of gdm) and next login clicked "session" and set kde to default
[10:37] <melonipoika> ok, i will look again the next time i log in, but i couldn't find the "make default" option...
[10:39] <sampan> melonipoika  iirc if you choose a session that isn't already set to default it will pop up a dialog box asking if you want to make the DE (kde/gnome/xfce/fluxbox, or whatever you're using) the default or if you want it to be just for that one session
[10:39] <sampan> i only logout/in about once every 4 months though, so maybe my memory is not so good ;/
[10:39] <melonipoika> sorry, it is not asking that, it was asking that when using the gdm, but not anymore in kdm
[10:40] <Kalidarn> lol
[10:40] <Kalidarn> finally re-installed
[10:40] <sampan> melonipoika  hrmmmmm, like i said, i use kdm and i'm pretty sure it has asked me
[10:40] <Kalidarn> now its all working good, had to build my workstation from scraps too
[10:40] <Kalidarn> before i could set up a pxe server
[10:41] <melonipoika> ok, i don't know, at least i can't see it
[10:41] <melonipoika> so is there any way to change that configuration once loged in? i mean, changing any config file?
[10:42] <Kalidarn> is mozilla firefox 1.5 in the repo yet?
[10:44] <aeon17x> Kalidarn: nowhere in Breezy.
[10:45] <Kalidarn> :(
[10:45] <Kalidarn> i might find it in a debian one
[10:45] <Kalidarn> ill wait till i install KDE 3.5 tonight
[10:45] <aeon17x> Kalidarn: just download it from the Mozilla website and extract it in your home folder.
[10:45] <Kalidarn> oh u can can u?
[10:45] <Kalidarn> hehe
[10:45] <aeon17x> Create a launcher for the firefox executable and you're set.
[10:46] <aeon17x> Much faster too.
[10:46] <Kalidarn> yeah i will
[10:46] <melonipoika> is it possible to delete the old 1.0 firefox after istalling the 1.5 one from mozilla website?
[10:47] <Kalidarn> probably, i havn't got any firefox on here at the moment
[10:47] <Kalidarn> only ubuntu comes with firefox 1.0.7 (kubuntu doesn't come with it)
[10:48] <aeon17x> melonipoika: just remove it through apt-get.
[10:48] <melonipoika> but then 1.5 version will continue running with all the plugins without problems?
[10:48] <_newbie_> This isn't a linux question and i a admit that im not good at english (well it's not my main language) but is it "is or are" after the sentence "Will and Grace __"?
[10:50] <sampan> newbie if "Will and Grace" is a title of a show (i.e., a singular noun) then "is" is the proper verb.  if "Will and Grace" is referring to two individuals, then it's a plural noun and "are" should be used
[10:50] <_newbie_> sampan: Thanks!
[10:50] <sampan> sure :)
[10:51] <carretcadiz> sabeis si los nuevos drivers de nvidia traen la pantalla inicial como antes
[10:52] <carretcadiz> he que instalado los drivers de nvidia en kubuntu pero no me sale la pantalla inicial pero en cambio arranca el kde
[10:52] <carretcadiz> sabeis por que
[10:53] <melonipoika> carretcadiz: ests en un foro en ingls :D
[10:54] <carretcadiz> perdon
[10:54] <carretcadiz> excuse me
[11:00] <linlin> how do i install wine on kubuntu
[11:00] <linlin> !wine
[11:01] <buz> is there any place to get OOo 2.0.1 debs?
[11:13] <xiaogil> hi
[11:13] <xiaogil> where can i find screenshots of kubuntu to show it to my cousin
[11:13] <xiaogil> ?
[11:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> buz: backports (ask the bot for details)
[11:14] <buz> mhh i have backports active
[11:14] <buz> lemme see
[11:15] <buz> i dont think it lives in backports so far
[11:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> then the only uubuntu debs are in dapper
[11:16] <buz> the linux.cz debs were nice but so far they only got czech debs there
[11:20] <buz> mhh oo2 lives at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=97595 and will get updates over time it seems
[11:20] <zenlunatic> why is my konqueror so slow?
[11:21] <linlin> !kdelibs
[11:21] <ubotu> linlin: Wish i knew
[11:21] <linlin> !kde
[11:21] <ubotu> well, kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[11:21] <linlin> !kdeheaders
[11:21] <ubotu> linlin: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[11:22] <buz> [oo]  "breezy-updates for 2.0.1 are planned, if all goes well. I'll keep everyone updated on that"
[11:22] <buz> ok i'll just wait then
[11:23] <linlin> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[11:23] <linlin> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[11:23] <linlin> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[11:23] <linlin> what should i do
[11:24] <rraphink> did you install kdelibs4-dev linlin ?
[11:25] <linlin> no thankyou, installing now
[11:26] <zenlunatic> anybody have tips for speeding up konqueror?
[11:26] <rraphink> just  wondering, what are you compiling and are you sure you need to linlin ?
[11:27] <linlin> yes
[11:27] <linlin> the program i need is called kftpgrabber
[11:27] <linlin> its not in any repos, sadly
[11:27] <Kalidarn> hmm is there a way of installing firefox 1.5 in kubuntu without installing 1.0.7
[11:27] <Kalidarn> the guide @ wiki.ubuntu.com assumes i am replacing an old version
[11:29] <linlin> i'd like to learn how to add it to the repos for everyone else if that spossible
[11:29] <buz> Kalidarn: you can install the tarball from mozilla in your homedir an run it from there
[11:29] <buz> thats what i do
[11:29] <Kalidarn> yeah i downloaded the tar.gz and extracted it, which is the run binary?
[11:30] <Kalidarn> they don't seem to work when i click on them lol
[11:30] <Pupeno> Is Linux on Dapper compiled for real-time scheduling ?
[11:31] <Pupeno> linlin: for that you have to make a .deb, and then submit it for inclusion or make your own repo (I have my own repo).
[11:32] <Pupeno> linlin: if you don't know how to make a .deb, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html is a good place to start.
[11:32] <rraphink> linlin: come to #ubuntu-motu for that
[11:33] <buz> anyone already tried installing the new xorg on breezy?
[11:34] <raphink> linlin: if you want to learn to package, begin with reading the Debian New Maintainer's Guide
[11:34] <raphink> then come to #ubuntu-motu :)
[11:34] <linlin> oh ok ;)
[11:35] <linlin> ill get to that
[11:35] <raphink> good :)
[12:03] <_tomas> hi
[12:20] <Chameleon22> howdy all
[12:21] <Chameleon22> reinstalled kubuntu, all fonts appear a bit rugged so to speak. Any ideas on what pkgs i needs for new fonts to smooth them out or something?
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Chameleon22 :)
[12:23] <hugelmopf> Chameleon22: is anti-aliasing activated? (check in "system settings" - "appearance")
[12:23] <Chameleon22> hugelmopf, ye it is
[12:25] <hugelmopf> Chameleon22: what if you try different fonts (like "bitstream vera" or "dejavu")?
[12:25] <Chameleon22> dejavu sucks
[12:25] <Chameleon22> bitstr.. about to try
[12:27] <hugelmopf> otherwise i don't know what could help.
[12:30] <treakath> hey all;
[12:38] <igorayeb> Anyone know what happened whith etherApe, hes donto start only open a windows.
[12:41] <Chameleon22> is there any way to troubleshoot sound ?
[12:41] <Chameleon22> hear no sound but xmms seems to be playing, no mute, sound is up
[12:41] <Chameleon22> :(
[12:42] <Chameleon22> pc with no music is almost usless (no internet and it is useless hehehe)
[12:42] <igorayeb> Anyone know what happened whith etherApe, her donto start only open a windows.
[12:43] <callie> Chameleon22: do you have sound for other apps?
[12:44] <Chameleon22> callie, not at all
[12:44] <callie> ok, i take it this is a new install then Chameleon22 ?
[12:45] <Jochen> Hey people! I discovered kubuntu has problems with the latest nvidia drivers!
[12:45] <Chameleon22> Jochen, hehe yeah took me 6 hours to find that this morning
[12:46] <Chameleon22> callie, it is a new install but mp3 libs are installed (as in restricted)
[12:46] <Chameleon22> callie, unless you have something else in mind
[12:46] <Jochen> I am removing the nvidia packages from adept, and install the package from nvidia again.
[12:46] <igorayeb> Anyone know what happened whith etherApe, her donto start only open a windows.
[12:46] <Jochen> Perhaps they do bite each other
[12:47] <Chameleon22> not me igorayeb
[12:47] <Chameleon22> Jochen, do you actualy have a question ?
[12:47] <igorayeb> Chameleon22: thanks.
[12:47] <Chameleon22> callie, ?
[12:47] <Jochen> Because when I took a look in the /var/log/messages I found the kernel message something about NVIDIA GRE missmatch
[12:47] <raitchev> is there kernel 2.6.14 in .deb package?
[12:47] <callie> well, have you tried playing with the audio settings in kde?
[12:48] <Chameleon22> callie, yeah
[12:48] <callie> ok what card do you have?
[12:48] <Jochen> I try my luck, see you later
[12:48] <Jochen> bye
[12:48] <Chameleon22> callie, SB
[12:49] <callie> SB what? audigy?
[12:50] <Chameleon22> sound blaster live or something with 5.1 support
[12:51] <callie> typed this and paste the output in #flood
[12:51] <callie> sudo lspci
[12:52] <Chameleon22> can paste here, 2 lines you interested in are:
[12:52] <Chameleon22> Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a)
[12:52] <callie> cool
[12:52] <Chameleon22> and, Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 0a)
[12:52] <callie> now paste the output of lsmod
[12:53] <callie> but in #flood
[12:53] <Chameleon22> damn huge
[12:53] <callie> yeah
[12:53] <Chameleon22> what should i be grapping for?
[12:53] <callie> just shove the whole lot in #flood
[12:53] <Chameleon22> k hold up
[12:55] <Jochen> Solved the NVIDIA Problem!
[12:55] <Chameleon22> callie, worked on other machine (same card), only thing i can think of is a conflict with onboard sound card
[12:56] <Chameleon22> but dont want to use that
[12:56] <Chameleon22> weldone Jochen
[12:56] <Jochen> nvidia packages headers, modules and include files must be uninstalled with the Adept system
[12:56] <Jochen> then install the nvidia package from nvidia.com with "sudo sh NVIDIA..."
[12:56] <callie> well, you could try disabling it from your bios, but im running two soundcards here no problem
[12:56] <Jochen> but before kill the Xserver with "sudo killall kdm"
[12:56] <Jochen> that's all!
[12:57] <Jochen> restart the system and you'll see no problems appear anymore
[12:57] <raitchev> you can do that with every apt packet manager
[12:57] <raitchev> like aptitude or simple apt-get remove
[12:57] <raitchev> not only with adept :)
[12:57] <Jochen> Hey, I am a kubuntu newby :)
[12:58] <drynish> Is there a packages manager for kde?
[12:58] <IceCreamMatt> where do newbs go for help?
[12:58] <Jochen> Haver mercy with me!
[12:58] <Jochen> :)
[12:58] <callie> Chameleon22: at least you have all the mods installed
[12:58] <drynish> like synaptic
[12:58] <Chameleon22> callie, just double checked, definately a conflict since onboard plays
[12:58] <callie> Chameleon22: there you go then ;)
[12:58] <Jochen> What is the core difference between debain and ubuntu server?
[12:58] <Jochen> debian, sorry
[12:58] <IceCreamMatt> I have a question but I dont want to bug you all if this is the wrong area.
[12:58] <Chameleon22> callie, so how do i disable?
[12:59] <callie> should be an option for your onboard devices in your bios
[12:59] <Chameleon22> callie, k will look
[12:59] <Jochen> The other question is, if I run a AMD64bit opteron server, are packages and security updates also offered for that architecture?
[12:59] <Jochen> This is the question I am asking myself all the time
[12:59] <raitchev> Jochen, do you have personal life
[01:00] <Jochen> what?!
[01:00] <raitchev> nothning
[01:00] <callie> lol
[01:00] <raitchev> nothing*
[01:00] <drynish> hehhe :)
[01:00] <Jochen> Why have you asked me this question?!
[01:00] <Jochen> hmmmm... NO!
[01:00] <raitchev> think a little
[01:00] <raitchev> and you will get the joke
[01:00] <Jochen> I am not married, no girlfriend, I am a unix lover and I love programming at all!
[01:00] <Jochen> hahaha
[01:00] <Jochen> :)
[01:01] <raitchev> you say that
[01:01] <Chameleon22> exit
[01:01] <Chameleon22> woops
[01:01] <callie> lol
[01:01] <IceCreamMatt> I have a question about apache. when I do "sudo apt-get remove apache2" it still is running what am I doing wrong?
[01:01] <Jochen> Are you now feeling satisfied with my answer?!
[01:02] <Jochen> raitchev: YESSSSSSSSS
[01:02] <Jochen> hahahaha
[01:03] <raitchev> relax
[01:05] <IceCreamMatt> I have a question about apache. when I do "sudo apt-get remove apache2" it still is running what am I doing wrong?
[01:05] <IceCreamMatt> if im asking in the wrong spot please tell me
[01:06] <buz> it should usually get stopped
[01:06] <IceCreamMatt> thats what I figured
[01:06] <IceCreamMatt> but im at least doing it right
[01:06] <IceCreamMatt> Do I need to restart?
[01:07] <buz> no
[01:07] <buz> unless you mess with the kernel or basic libs, restarts generally arent necessary
[01:07] <IceCreamMatt> ya thats what I thought
[01:07] <IceCreamMatt> im a xp user but im trying to learn linux. Kubuntu is sweet
[01:09] <buz> with killall name you can stop the remaining processes
[01:09] <IceCreamMatt> ok
[01:09] <IceCreamMatt> ill try that
[01:12] <IceCreamMatt> it wants an extra option like list if I do killall
[01:12] <callie> i still cant resolve my filesharing issues under linux
[01:13] <buz> extra option like what
[01:13] <callie> i get great downloads from windows
[01:13] <IceCreamMatt> if i do killall it shows like a list of options
[01:13] <IceCreamMatt> like killall -l
[01:13] <buz> should not
[01:13] <buz> killall apache or some such should do the job
[01:13] <buz> but you need to be root for that to work
[01:14] <callie> or use sudo killall
[01:14] <IceCreamMatt> ok
[01:14] <IceCreamMatt> still is showing that list
[01:14] <IceCreamMatt> sudo killall apache2
[01:14] <IceCreamMatt> didnt do anything after that
[01:15] <linlin> how can i completly remove and reinstall the kubuntu part of kubuntu, if that makes any sence
[01:16] <callie> strangely it doesnt
[01:16] <callie> do you mean KDE?
[01:16] <linlin> yeah
[01:16] <linlin> something got messed up with kde
[01:16] <linlin> i need to reinstall it
[01:16] <linlin> all of it
[01:16] <callie> whats messed up?
[01:16] <linlin> well, when one of the users goes to login it hangs at restoring session
[01:16] <linlin> other users work fine
[01:17] <callie> well you dont need to reinstall kde for that
[01:17] <linlin> maybe you can help me out then
[01:17] <IceCreamMatt> I think that kill all worked
[01:18] <IceCreamMatt> ya it worke
[01:19] <IceCreamMatt> thanks
[01:19] <linlin> any ideas callie?
[01:20] <callie> perhaps removing the session info might work
[01:20] <callie> well dont remove it but move it somewhere else
[01:20] <callie> you should be able to log in without restoring the session though
[01:20] <linlin> how
[01:20] <callie> there's an option for it in the login screen
[01:21] <callie> then once logged in setup the session how you want it and then save a new session file
[01:22] <linlin> which option should i pick
[01:23] <callie> im not sure what its called hang on
[01:23] <callie> if you click on session type you can select failsafe
[01:23] <callie> ;)
[01:24] <Trazi> Re
[01:25] <linlin> ok so ive jsut got an xterm now
[01:25] <linlin> what should i do to try to fix this from within that
[01:25] <IceCreamMatt> the apache process started up again after I reloaded the server
[01:26] <callie> in the kde menu you can then save the session and that will become your default session
[01:31] <igorayeb> Chameleon22: thanks.
[01:31] <igorayeb> Anyone know what happened whith etherApe, her donto start only open a windows.
[01:35] <IceCreamMatt> if anyone was wondering why apache wouldnt stop working its because I was doing apt-get remove apache2 instead of apt-get remove apache2-common
[01:36] <callie> stopping a process is not the same as uninstalling
[01:36] <IceCreamMatt> ya
[01:36] <IceCreamMatt> but i was trying to uninstall it and it wouldnt go away
[01:36] <IceCreamMatt> but I had 2 installs I guess
[01:37] <callie> i doubt
[01:37] <callie> how can you have 2 installs?
[01:37] <IceCreamMatt> i did sudo apt-get install apache2
[01:37] <xtacocorex> !metapackage
[01:37] <ubotu> A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.
[01:37] <IceCreamMatt> and when i tried uninstalling it it wouldnt stop running apache
[01:38] <callie> i dont think you can uninstall if the process is running
[01:38] <IceCreamMatt> it stopped the process first
[01:38] <xtacocorex> if its a service, it'll stop it and then uninstall
[01:38] <IceCreamMatt> but that was when i did remove apache2-common
[01:38] <IceCreamMatt> when i just did remove apache2 it didnt say anything about stopping the process
[01:39] <xtacocorex> apache2 is most likely a metapackage
[01:39] <IceCreamMatt> so it must have just been wrong
[01:39] <IceCreamMatt> ok
[01:39] <IceCreamMatt> after reading metapackage it makes more sense
[01:39] <IceCreamMatt> anyways thanks for your help. I have to go now
[01:39] <xtacocorex> adios
[01:39] <xtacocorex> good luck
[01:40] <igorayeb> Anyone know what happened whith etherApe, her donto start only open a windows.
[01:47] <igorayeb> Anyone know what happened whith etherApe, her donto start only open a windows.
[01:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> try launching it with kdesu
[01:49] <igorayeb> Kamping_Kaiser: what i do
[01:49] <igorayeb> where i open kdesu
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> igorayeb: click "K" -> "run" -> type "kdesu etherape" and put in your password when it asks
[01:50] <igorayeb> same problem.
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> bugger :(
[01:51] <igorayeb> I thank hes dont know my ethernet conection
[01:51] <igorayeb> i open one time bub hes says dont know eth0
[01:51] <igorayeb> :S
[01:51] <igorayeb> but i connect whith eth0.
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( bugger
[01:52] <raffaele> ciao, c' qualche italiano in chat?
[01:52] <igorayeb> raffaele: you dont speak inglish
[01:53] <raffaele> igorayeb: not very well
[01:53] <raffaele> igorayeb: I am a problem
[01:53] <raffaele> when i do "apt-get upgrade"
[01:53] <raffaele> Configuro mozilla-firefox-locale-it (1.0-1ubuntu1) ...
[01:54] <raffaele> /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-locale-it.postinst: line 11: update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: command not found
[01:54] <raffaele> dpkg: errore processando mozilla-firefox-locale-it (--configure):
[01:54] <raffaele>  il sottoprocesso post-installation script ha restituito un codice di errore 127
[01:59] <igorayeb> raffaele: install this with the adapt
[02:00] <raffaele> adapt don't resolve the problem
[02:02] <raffaele> igorayeb: another question, in kubuntu how start firefox?
[02:04] <apokryphos> raffaele: from the start menu or from alt+f2
[02:04] <raffaele> apokryphos: in my kubuntu (base installation) firefox is not in the startmenu! whi?
[02:05] <raffaele> *standard installation :P
[02:05] <apokryphos> raffaele: because it doesn't come with firefox, of course
[02:05] <apokryphos> firefox is GTK
[02:05] <igorayeb> no no do alt + f2 and type firefox
[02:05] <igorayeb> yah
[02:05] <igorayeb> because the GTK
[02:05] <apokryphos> Kubuntu's browser is the magnificent Konqueror :P
[02:05] <igorayeb> if you start on prompt hes return an erro GTK..
[02:05] <apokryphos> what?
[02:06] <raffaele> firefox don't start!!!
[02:06] <Riddell_> firefox is XUL
[02:06] <igorayeb> aeheauheaauhe
[02:06] <apokryphos> raffaele: that's because you don't have it. Fire up Kubuntu's package manager (Adept) and install it if you like
[02:06] <igorayeb> return erro
[02:06] <igorayeb> yah you have to install the language it suport
[02:06] <raffaele> apokryphos: the name of pakage is?
[02:06] <apokryphos> raffaele: search for firefox
[02:07] <igorayeb> let me see
[02:07] <apokryphos> Riddell: oh, but relies on GTK?
[02:07] <apokryphos> (though the one in ubuntu relies on gnome libs too iirc)
[02:07] <igorayeb> raffaele: language suppoty it
[02:08] <Riddell> apokryphos: yes, XUL uses gtk for various things, so you're correct too :)
[02:08] <raffaele> igorayeb: apokryphos: mozilla-firefox-locale-it is istalled!
[02:08] <chopemax> hi, which program could I use to write circular text? (oo.org 2.0 has an option but i wasn't able to change the font)
[02:09] <igorayeb> nooo but you have to install the support to it
[02:09] <igorayeb> go in adept
[02:09] <apokryphos> raffaele: you want the italian language pack for firefox?
[02:10] <raffaele> but firefox isn't in the standard installation of kubuntu?
[02:11] <igorayeb> no
[02:12] <raffaele> whit adept, can i install "firefox" or "mozilla-firefox"?
[02:12] <raffaele> what are the different?
[02:13] <igorayeb> raffaele: i downloadsed my firefox on the www.mozill.org and install
[02:13] <igorayeb> is more easy
[02:13] <apokryphos> raffaele: install mozilla-firefox
[02:13] <raffaele> igorayeb: is a .deb?
[02:13] <apokryphos> raffaele: and no, it isn't in the standard install because Kubuntu uses Konqueror for web browser by default
[02:14] <igorayeb> but i'm brazillian and  use the firefox in  inglish
[02:14] <igorayeb> raffaele: is a bin...
[02:14] <igorayeb> ./pakeg
[02:14] <apokryphos> no need to get the one from mozilla.org
[02:14] <raffaele> i use the package mozilla-firefox, ok? (whit adept)
[02:15] <chakie_work> speaking of packages, anyone know of qt 4.1 packages?
[02:15] <apokryphos> raffaele: yes
[02:15] <apokryphos> chakie_work: quite sure there wouldn't be any yet
[02:17] <chakie_work> apokryphos: ok
[02:30] <dabugas> hi
[02:31] <dabugas> i get a "Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" for the universe when i "apt-get update" from two different repositories. any ideas?
[02:40] <gregwa1953> anyone there willing/able to discuss issues with dapper?
[03:03] <Snake|Sleeping> Anyone ever used GNU screen?
[03:27] <Snake__> Heres a noob question:
[03:27] <chakie_work> hm, wonder if skype works on kubuntu
[03:27] <Benix> hi
[03:27] <Snake__> How do I get mozilla to be my default question??
[03:28] <psyke> Snake__: default browser?
[03:28] <Benix> Woe can i see which wlandriver/module i am using?
[03:28] <Snake__> err ya
[03:28] <Snake__> psyke: yes
[03:28] <Snake__> lol
[03:28] <Snake__> Sorry, just woke up
[03:28] <psyke> I saw where you set it a while ago, let me find it again
[03:30] <Benix> ??
[03:30] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[03:31] <Benix> i guess its just a simple cat command, isnt it?
[03:32] <Snake__> Benix: try ... hold on
[03:32] <Snake__> Benix: did you use ndiswrapper to install?
[03:33] <Benix> Snake__, no, kubuntu configured it for me while installing.
[03:33] <Snake__> oh okay hang on
[03:33] <Benix> thanks
[03:34] <sharket> hello
[03:35] <Snake__> Benix: I'm really sorry but I can't find the command
[03:36] <Snake__> I know it exists, but I can't remeber it and apropos isn't helping me any
[03:36] <Benix> Snake__, ok, no problem, thanks for trying
[03:36] <Snake__> Benix: When you do find out, can you come here and tell me? I'm intrested in knowing
[03:37] <Benix> Snake__, shure
[03:37] <Snake__> Thanks
[03:37] <Lacerta> yo
[03:37] <Snake__> psyke: any luck?
[03:38] <Lacerta> i want that cool button that minimizes all windows, how do i do that?
[03:38] <Snake__> In KDE I believe its alt f2..
[03:38] <Snake__> Or is that run...
[03:39] <Lacerta> that's run
[03:39] <Snake__> It might be control F2, play around with it
[03:39] <Chameleon22> what app can i use to map/configure multimedia keys on my keyboard. Hotkeys almost do it, but misses few buttons, so yeah ...?
[03:39] <Lacerta> oh, yeah
[03:39] <Snake__> Lacerta: is it control f2?
[03:39] <Lacerta> yes
[03:39] <Snake__> kk
[03:39] <Tsuroerusu> Yo, I have a few KDE/GNOME issues, and I need a little assistance on it
[03:39] <Lacerta> but i'd like to have a button version :/
[03:39] <Snake__> mmmm
[03:40] <Snake__> I dunno the command for that
[03:40] <Lacerta> a script that presses Ctrl + F2? :)
[03:40] <Snake__> You could do that, but I don't know how to do that
[03:41] <zenlunatic> can someone help me speed up konq? its so much slower than firefox
[03:41] <Snake__> zenlunatic: get firefox :P
[03:41] <Tsuroerusu> If I'm logged in as user123 and uses kdesu to start synaptic as root it tries to use the GTK/GNOME theme from user123, but the gtk-qt engine ae a little weird so Synaptic kind of looks "theme-less", is there a way to make kdesu use the root user's GNOME settings?
[03:41] <Snake__> I agree with you
[03:42] <Benix> Snake__, dmesg look at /proc/drivers
[03:42] <Snake__> Thats it!! dmesg
[03:43] <Benix> dmesg knows nearly everything ^^
[03:43] <Snake__> Yeppers
[03:44] <Snake__> I knew it was a important debug command, I just could not remeber it for the life of me
[03:45] <sharket> robotgeek_zzz:  u there ?
[03:46] <Snake__> No hes zzz :)
[03:46] <sharket> :(
[03:46] <Snake__> :)
[03:46] <Snake__> (
[03:46] <Snake__> )
[03:46] <Snake__> (
[03:46] <Snake__> That looks cool
[03:46] <Snake__> ;)
[03:47] <sharket> well, can you tell the bot, if it can give more info about nonfreemedia
[03:47] <sharket> like rm
[03:47] <Snake__> ubotu: tell sharket about mp3
[03:47] <Snake__> Its on that page
[03:48] <sharket> thx
[03:48] <Chameleon22> what app can i use to map/configure multimedia keys on my keyboard. Hotkeys almost do it, but misses few buttons, so yeah ...?
[03:48] <sharket> :)
[03:48] <Snake__> sharket: also for future refrence, you can talk to the bot as well, just use something like "!mp3" and he'll tell you
[03:48] <sharket> very good
[03:48] <sharket> :)
[03:48] <sharket> how are u doing Snake__  ?
[03:48] <Snake__> Chameleon22: not sure sorr
[03:48] <Snake__> Not bad, yourself?
[03:49] <sharket> a little busy and  exausted with this ppc
[03:49] <sharket> :S
[03:49] <Snake__> Heh
[03:49] <Snake__> I gotta go xmas shopping
[03:49] <Snake__> lol
[03:50] <sharket> hehe
[03:50] <sharket> lol
[03:50] <sharket> where are u from ?
[03:50] <Snake__> ohio, USA
[03:50] <sharket> ah very good
[03:51] <sharket> and cold, isn't ?
[03:51] <Snake__> Yulp
[03:51] <Snake__> I hate it
[03:51] <Snake__> (We should probly take it offtopic... lol)
[03:51] <sharket> hehe
[03:53] <pointwood> !ogg
[03:53] <ubotu> Not a clue, pointwood
[03:53] <pointwood> !mp3
[03:53] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:11] <zenlunatic> my sound worked before i installed kubuntu-desktop?
[04:13] <kervel> hello, i have problems with hotplug/pnp: i insert an usb stick, konq wants to mount it on /media/sda, and fails because it is already mounted on /media/256MB
[04:13] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:20] <zenlunatic> can someone help me get my sound working?
[04:58] <Foodcoman> Morning
[04:59] <sharket> afternoon :D
[05:03] <tamu> hai friends....
[05:04] <tamu> can any one help me..?
[05:04] <tamu> how install xpde in kubuntu?
[05:04] <sharket> ask ur question
[05:05] <tamu> my paket xpde.tar.gz
[05:06] <sharket> gunzip xpde.tar.gz
[05:06] <sharket> tar -xvf xpde.tar
[05:06] <sharket> .Configure
[05:06] <tamu> yes it have extracted
[05:06] <sharket> make
[05:06] <sharket> and that stuff
[05:07] <tamu> but no configure file there
[05:07] <tamu> that only bin folder
[05:07] <sharket> any README ?
[05:07] <tamu> on
[05:08] <tamu> no...
[05:08] <tamu> xpde-0.5.0.tar.gz <== my paket downloaded
[05:09] <tamu> when i extract it be xpde folder no version...
[05:09] <sharket> :/
[05:10] <tamu> n in it only bin folder
[05:10] <sharket> then dunno, sorry man
[05:10] <tamu> it oke..
[05:11] <tamu> insted i download in xpde.com where again?
[05:11] <kkathman> tamu is there any .sh file there?
[05:12] <kkathman> like autogen.sh ?
[05:12] <kkathman> or something like that?
[05:12] <tamu> nothing...
[05:13] <kkathman> where did you get the tar from?
[05:13] <sharket> There are a variety of applications that can play streaming video. On
[05:13] <tamu> applets              defaultdesktop  libborqt-6.9-qt2.3.so  startxpde~
[05:13] <tamu> bplXPColorSelect.so  desktop         startxpde              wm
[05:13] <tamu> that files i get...
[05:14] <kkathman> tamu: where did you download it from?
[05:14] <tamu> xpde.com
[05:14] <tamu> xpde.com
[05:14] <tamu> any otherr place?
[05:14] <sharket> who can i see .rm files ??
[05:14] <sharket> because w32 codecs don't work
[05:14] <sharket>  (Unfortunately, the w32codecs are generally not useable on the PPC or AMD64 versions of Ubuntu.)
[05:14] <sharket> :((
[05:14] <kkathman> it says there is an INSTALL file...did you read that tamu ?
[05:15] <tamu> nothing...
[05:15] <tamu> that file no there
[05:15] <kkathman> hmm
[05:15] <kkathman> let me download it and check
[05:16] <tamu> thank's friend...
[05:16] <kkathman> one moment :)
[05:17] <tamu> can i know you friend? i'm indonesian man...
[05:18] <kkathman> tamu when I downloaded and untar'd the file, it creates a directory called xpde ..  did you see that?
[05:18] <tamu> yes...
[05:18] <kkathman> ok cd to xpde and look for INSTALL
[05:19] <tamu> n what files in it?
[05:19] <tamu> bin folder..? isn't it?
[05:19] <kkathman> tamu: nono
[05:19] <tamu> so...
[05:19] <kkathman> tamu: where did you download that tar file to?
[05:20] <tamu> www.xpde.com
[05:20] <tamu> n where you download?
[05:20] <kkathman> tamu: I mean when you downloaded the tar file, where did you save it on your disk ?
[05:21] <tamu> ou.... it i saved in user folder in /home/tamu/aplication
[05:22] <kkathman> tamu: ok excellent... now do this    cd /home/tamu/aplication/xpde
[05:22] <tamu> ok a had
[05:22] <kkathman> tamu: then type  ls -l
[05:22] <tamu> i had do it
[05:22] <kkathman> see if you see INSTALL there
[05:23] <tamu> on...
[05:23] <sharket> sudo ./xpde.bin
[05:23] <sharket> try that in ur folder :)
[05:24] <kkathman> tamu: I will turn you back to shaket since he seems to want to help
[05:24] <tamu> ok with a minute
[05:24] <kkathman> sharket: I was going somewhere with this..but you go right ahead
[05:25] <jpatrick> kkathman: afternoon/evening
[05:25] <kkathman> hiya jpatrick Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you :)
[05:25] <tamu> ok thank's alot kkathman... :)
[05:25] <jpatrick> kkathman: and the same to you :)
[05:26] <kkathman> tamu: when people interrupt my helping, I stop and let them go because its very confusing to the person being helped to have two people giving them directions
[05:26] <sharket> ok
[05:26] <kkathman> jpatrick: so how's things on your end?
[05:26] <sharket> then follow what kkathman says
[05:26] <kkathman> no you interrupted..so you finish
[05:26] <jpatrick> kkathman: not bad
[05:26] <sharket> i'm not going to say nothing more.
[05:27] <kkathman> jpatrick: got all your shopping done?
[05:27] <sharket> oh man this is chat not a PM
[05:27] <jpatrick> kkathman: not doing any
[05:27] <sharket> people can talk toghether, any way this lame is off
 sudo ./xpde.bin <== it's not work..
[05:28] <kkathman> sharket: yes, thats fine, but when there is a problem, there needs to be a diagnostic procedure...someone that needs help cant follow two trains of thought .. they cant be checking an installation direction, and running files
[05:30] <kkathman> sharket: I believe that there was a bad install, and thats what I was getting to...so running a bin program might mess things up at this point. There is an INSTALL file that should tell tamu how to install xpde
[05:30] <kkathman> but apparently thats not there, so Im suspecting something was misdownloaded or installed in the wrong directory
[05:31] <sharket> i see
[05:31] <sharket> but is the official page, right ?
[05:31] <kkathman> sharket: but if you have installed this before...please continue
[05:31] <sharket> dunno
[05:31] <sharket> no i didn't
[05:31] <sharket> anyway, sorry
[05:32] <kkathman> I downloaded the tar, untarred it and there is an INSTALL file that tells the precise instructions to install it
[05:32] <jpatrick> kkathman: I haven't got any money :|
[05:35] <kkathman> jpatrick: lol - I have 2 kids in college...neither do I :)
[05:36] <jpatrick> kkathman: I'm getting a laptop so I'm happy (even tho it's second-hand and my (younger) sister got a brand new like 2 days ago)
[05:37] <kkathman> jpatrick: excellent!! Are you going to put linux on it?
[05:37] <jpatrick> kkathman: of course :)
[05:37] <kkathman> hehe terrific!!!
[05:38] <jpatrick> Hopefully I'll have some sound (after 6 months of a completly mute computer)
[05:39] <ninnghizidha> where can i tell KDE the action it should use for mousebutton 4?
[05:40] <tamu> kkathman : hai friends... how make quick botting?
[05:41] <fermigier>  /msg nickserv identify sfsf2004
[05:41] <Foodcoman> woops.  ;-)
[05:41] <ninnghizidha> cool!
[05:41] <ninnghizidha> :-P
[05:41] <fermigier> like you said
[05:41] <jpatrick> fermigier: err change your passwd fast!!
[05:42] <tux> i cant login! it says cant write to home/tux/.ICE authority something....HELP!
[05:42] <sharket> lol
[05:43] <tux> lol? :(
[05:43] <sharket> what did u do tux  ?
[05:44] <jpatrick> kkathman: I have been having a rough month tho
[05:44] <kkathman> jpatrick: how so?
[05:44] <tamu> sharket : how can i make quick botting, what file can i edit?
[05:45] <jpatrick> kkathman: girl in school
[05:45] <tux> sharket: i think i did some sudo chmod stuff....to fix a kde problem...the solution was given to me here itself.
[05:45] <kkathman> jpatrick: ahhh now you know better than to mess with women dude...if it has wheels or wears a skirt, its lots of money and trouble :)
[05:47] <jpatrick> kkathman: well she fancies me
[05:47] <tux> :(
[05:47] <kkathman> jpatrick: nothing wrong with that :)
[05:48] <Foodcoman> jpatrick: Careful, if you open her shell and touch her directory, you will end up with a new file!
[05:48] <Foodcoman> =)
[05:48] <jpatrick> Foodcoman: :P
[05:48] <sharket> mm
[05:48] <sharket> then u can login in a shell ?
[05:49] <ninnghizidha> where can i configure gestures?
[05:49] <tux> what should be default permissions for home config files?
[05:49] <tux> sharket: yes i can..then?
[05:50] <sharket> what's ur problem ?
[05:50] <sharket> with kde ?
[05:50] <sharket> u can't login in X system, or what ?
[05:51] <sharket> total 16
[05:51] <sharket> drwxr-xr-x   4 root    root    4096 2005-12-21 19:13 .
[05:51] <sharket> drwxr-xr-x  22 root    root    4096 2005-11-26 16:10 ..
[05:51] <sharket> drwxr-xr-x  26 sharket sharket 4096 2005-12-22 16:09 sharket
[05:51] <sharket> something like this
[05:51] <sharket> :)
[05:51] <kkathman> !pastebin
[05:51] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:51] <sharket> onle was 4 lines
[05:51] <sharket> anyway, ok
[05:52] <tux> sharket: i cant login to kde desktop....im using my bro acount now..
[05:53] <sharket> then copy the permissions
[05:53] <sharket> no ?
[05:53] <tux> how??
[05:53] <sharket> let me se
[05:54] <tux> just help me complete this: sudo chmod [what number]  -R myusername
[05:54] <tux> just help me complete this: sudo chmod -R [what number]  myusername
[05:55] <tux> sudo chown -R tux tux?
[05:56] <sharket> yep
[05:56] <tux> ok.given......now let me see if i can login.away i go!:D
[05:56] <sharket> or chmod 777 tux/*
[05:56] <sharket> :)
[05:57] <tux> sharket: NO...that would make my home folder accessible to my bro....and it contains lots of personal pictures;)
[05:57] <sharket> lol
[05:57] <tux> lol
[05:57] <tux> brb:)
[05:57] <sharket> then go to that dir and restric it
[05:57] <sharket> restrict it
[05:58] <sharket> who is the admin of the machine :)
[05:59] <tamu> i want to leav a minute...
[06:01] <freelove> success!
[06:01] <freelove> sharket: i logged in:)
[06:01] <sharket> very good
[06:01] <sharket> :))
[06:01] <freelove> thx:D
[06:01] <sharket> i don't know which files are exactly
[06:01] <sharket> :(
[06:01] <sharket> let me see
[06:02] <freelove> whatever.it worked.thats waht matters
[06:04] <sharket> sharket@whitebox:~$ ls .Xauthority -la
[06:04] <sharket> -rw-------  1 sharket sharket 424 2005-12-22 15:19 .Xauthority
[06:04] <sharket> try this one
[06:04] <sharket> :))
[06:06] <ninnghizidha> why are there packages kept back in kde3.5?
[06:08] <jpatrick> ninnghizidha: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:11] <kkathman> ninnghizidha: many packages have not synched with kde3.5 which is why some are being held back
[06:11] <ninnghizidha> oh!
[06:11] <ninnghizidha> i'll try dist-upgrade :-)
[06:11] <ninnghizidha> just aminute :-)
[06:12] <ninHer> hi all
[06:13] <Determinist> this is simply absurd. i've been trying to burn a kubuntu CD from the image i've downloaded.
[06:14] <Determinist> first attempt: downloaded kubuntu iso image from united states server, burned to CD, laptop wont boot from the CD.
[06:14] <Determinist> second attempt: downloaded another ISO image from european server, burned to CD, wont boot.
[06:15] <Determinist> third attempt: downloaded again, made sure md5 matches, got a brand new CD, looked to see that there are no scratches, booted the laptop from a normal ubuntu CD to made sure it boots from a CD. all is well and still, after burning the 3rd CD, still no boot.
[06:15] <Determinist> any idea what the hell is going on with the kubuntu image?
[06:15] <hugelmopf> steve_laptop: i don't think there is a package for wlassistant, you'll have to compile it yourself. why don't you use kwifimanager?
[06:16] <hugelmopf> Determinist: did you burn the "normal ubuntu cd" yourself as well?
[06:16] <Determinist> hugelmopf, yes
[06:17] <freelove> strange.....
[06:17] <Determinist> i agree
[06:17] <freelove> did u burn in k3b? :)
[06:17] <Determinist> and it just cost me 3 good and nice CDs
[06:17] <ninnghizidha> it seems, that dist-upgrade installed some of them, but with unmet dependencies ... but i think i got it working aigain, thanks a lot for the hint.
[06:17] <steve_laptop> hugelmopf: wlassistant is click and go and in the past kwifimanager you had a few steps to take to connect....
[06:17] <Determinist> and yes, i've used both K3b under ubuntu and nero platinum under winxp, both burned the CDs just fine and still no go
[06:18] <freelove> mine booted so fine..............
[06:18] <steve_laptop> hugelmopf: this is the first time I have used kde in 2 yrs
[06:18] <Determinist> i'm starting to regret i didnt get the CD-RW cds lol
[06:18] <freelove> steve_laptop: must have been impressed?
[06:19] <Determinist> this is so frustrating
[06:19] <freelove> Determinist: i can understand....but i dont think anything could be wrong with the image...
[06:20] <Determinist> freelove, well, i didnt think so either till about 10 mins ago
[06:20] <hugelmopf> steve_laptop: i am no frequent user of it, so i don't know about its usability.
[06:20] <Determinist> i should check if another computer can boot from the CD... just to make sure
[06:20] <Determinist> but then, the laptop boots fine from an ubuntu installation CD
[06:21] <steve_laptop> freelove: I run a sony s460 centrino 1.8 with 1.5G of ram and a nvidia go 6600 video card vary nice laptop but sucks to get everything work fn keys and ect. but ubuntu runs the best on it out of the box
[06:22] <Armagguedes> hello
[06:22] <freelove> steve_laptop: so even in windows those fn keys dont work or what? u like gnome or kde?
[06:22] <Armagguedes> i've just dl'ed OOo2.0.1 in a tar-gz format, and used alien to turn those RPMs to DEBs.
[06:23] <Armagguedes> what do i need to do to install OOo now?
[06:23] <freelove> Armagguedes: right-click..........install package
[06:24] <hugelmopf> btw... has there been any solution to the media (cdrom, usb-stick, ...) problem: "icon appears on desktop, clicking on it mounts the device, but opening it as media:/hdc gives error messages (while /media/cdrom would work)"?
[06:24] <kkathman> Armagguedes: why didnt you just apt-get install it from the repos ?
[06:24] <Armagguedes> and it will install everything? (btw, there is a sub-folder that contained RPMs for several architectures: ideleted them all but the DEBIAN package before conversion
[06:24] <Armagguedes> kkathman because it's still the v2RC2
[06:24] <kkathman> what version of ubuntu are you on?
[06:25] <Armagguedes> kubuntu breezy
[06:25] <Armagguedes> sudo dpk -i openoffice.org-*2.0.1-2_i386.deb
[06:25] <Armagguedes>  --> is this it?
[06:26] <kkathman> yep...tho I think I have 1.2.129 to be exact
[06:26] <kkathman> oops 1.9.129
[06:26] <steve_laptop> freelove: I daul boot and in windows everything works fine, in ubuntu-gnome the fn keys work but not in kde ic :( also I have no control on the screen brigtness but im finding out its got somthing to do with Nvidia
[06:27] <Armagguedes> the 1.9.129 -is- the RC2
[06:27] <kkathman> Armagguedes: actually I saw today that a new deb is out for 2.1beta
[06:27] <Armagguedes> anyways the 201 fixes a lot of stuff and adds new features
[06:28] <Armagguedes> kkathman where?
[06:28] <Armagguedes> thou betas are generally not my first choice
[06:28] <kkathman> ahh ok
[06:29] <kkathman> I just saw the new release today in Freshmeat.org
[06:29] <kkathman> Im still back on the 1.9.129 that comes with breezy
[06:29] <hugelmopf> steve_laptop: maybe looking at this thread is worth a try: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2005-December/000589.html
[06:30] <Armagguedes> freelove ur method only installs one package at a time, instead of going thru all of them
[06:30] <freelove> yes ur right i think:)
[06:31] <steve_laptop> hugelmopf: THANKS!!!!
[06:31] <Armagguedes> anyways, did sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[06:31] <Armagguedes> hope it works
[06:31] <freelove> steve_laptop: i didnt know that there was SUCH a diff between ubuntu & kubuntu...aint they same at the core? so fn keys should work on both?
[06:32] <Armagguedes> kekekeke
[06:32] <Armagguedes> seems to have worked
[06:32] <freelove> i have a nice objective question to ask.........can i ask?? plz?
[06:33] <hugelmopf> steve_laptop: did these commands work?
[06:33] <steve_laptop> freelove: its f-in sony's trade make call f the customer and we make are on divers and we will not support them eather!!!
[06:33] <Armagguedes> where is PINGUS installed to?
[06:33] <Armagguedes> im looking for its icon to add to the K menu entry
[06:33] <freelove> whats the best distro after ubuntu (and all its derivatives)??
[06:33] <steve_laptop> hugelmopf: I book mark them I dont have time right now
[06:33] <freelove> steve_laptop: lol
[06:34] <Armagguedes> freelove there's a lot of talk about openSUSE 10
[06:34] <hugelmopf> freelove: debian probably ;-P
[06:35] <freelove> i tried suse 10.yuk! didnt like it at all! yast package manager is slow compared to synaptic:)
[06:35] <hugelmopf> there are different ones for different purposes, as long as one stays away from those ugly RPM distros...
[06:36] <Armagguedes> hm
[06:36] <steve_laptop> Armagguedes: SUSE Dep. Hell you go have fun.....  I have had no problems with ubuntu or yum but SUSE go have fun ...:)
[06:36] <Armagguedes> whats the difference between adept and synaptic
[06:37] <jpatrick> Armagguedes: Adept is for KDE
[06:37] <freelove> Armagguedes: they just look different:).....
[06:37] <Armagguedes> righty
[06:37] <freelove> synaptic is more powerful
[06:38] <hugelmopf> freelove: that is not true as a blank statement. synaptic can _not_ use debtags, while adept can.
[06:38] <hugelmopf> and that's going to be the future, even for synaptic
[06:38] <freelove> hugelmopf: now what are debtags?
[06:38] <hugelmopf> have you looked at adept yet?
[06:38] <freelove> u cant add cdrom in adept.in synaptic u can:)
[06:38] <freelove> yes of course
[06:39] <hugelmopf> easy tag filters: use, role, interface, works with.
[06:39] <hugelmopf> as far as i know, synaptic cannot do this yet.
[06:39] <Armagguedes> more powerful how?
[06:39] <freelove> hugelmopf: oh u mean all that....ya those are good...but in synaptic too packages are neatly classified.
[06:40] <hugelmopf> adding a cdrom is not something i would call "powerful", while debtags are something that classifies as that ;-)
[06:40] <hugelmopf> freelove: like in aptitude?
[06:40] <freelove> Armagguedes: it depends on what u want to do...but both basically are for same thing
[06:41] <freelove> hugelmopf: as u see it:)...to me a frontend for adding cd is a big relief...
[06:41] <angasule> does anyone know an open source program that does the same than ventrilo or teamspeak? (voicechat)
[06:41] <hugelmopf> freelove: the difference between debtags and the categories as in aptitude/synaptic(?) is: one package can have multiple tags
[06:43] <freelove> hmmm..
[06:44] <hugelmopf> i think both (adept and synaptic) are going to receive features from each other, so that we soon have two complete package managers :)
[06:44] <Armagguedes> why dont they just join forces then?
[06:45] <Armagguedes> why the neeed for 383727873892009283652 different apps that eventually will do the exact same thing
[06:45] <freelove> lol
[06:45] <frazer> lo all
[06:45] <frazer> :D finnaly got Kubuntu set up today
[06:46] <freelove> Armagguedes: kde & gnome fight with each other..thats why.........
[06:46] <hugelmopf> Armagguedes: healthy competition? two should be the minimum for one task ;-)
[06:46] <frazer> looks a lot nicer than gnome
[06:46] <Armagguedes> hm true
[06:46] <hugelmopf> freelove: let's call it "compete" and not "fight"
[06:46] <hugelmopf> fighting usually just describes what their users are doing
[06:47] <freelove> hehe
[06:47] <Armagguedes> also know in some parts as "flaming" hugelmopf
[06:47] <angasule> the quick filter in adept is really bad :/
[06:47] <hugelmopf> while the devs try to compete and cooperate at the same time ;-)
[06:47] <freelove> the one thing i hate in gnome are incomplete iconsets!
[06:47] <hugelmopf> angasule: what do you mean?
[06:47] <angasule> hugelmopf: it doesn't seem to search for more than one word
[06:47] <admrl> i was reading in linux user and developer about kde vs gnome and  somehow they got the idea that with all the coding kde does they dont ever get anywhere
[06:48] <frazer> I like the look of KDE but find Gnome easyer
[06:49] <frazer> iv just switched over to KDE today to test it out a bit
[06:49] <angasule> admrl: so less coding == more things get done? interesting concept, so lazy people are overachievers?
[06:49] <freelove> frazer: i find kde easier....but a bit slower & clumsy.....
[06:49] <hugelmopf> angasule: searching for consecutive words works for me
[06:49] <admrl> i didnt agree with ti
[06:49] <kkathman> frazer: once you get the landscape and mindset of KDE, its easier than gnome, at least for its scale of flexibility
[06:49] <admrl> konqueror is miles ahead of nautilus
[06:50] <frazer> well im keeping it just cause it looks pretty :) somthing to show of to friends and get em onto Linux
[06:50] <freelove> frazer: the default look that is.........otherwise u can make gnome to look far better than anything!
[06:50] <angasule> hugelmopf: yeah, consecutive words only (it's like searching for a quoted string in google)
[06:50] <kkathman> theres alot more you can do in KDE, so there is a bit more info with which to become familiar
[06:50] <angasule> so if you know a program is called X, and it's network related, you can't search for X network and get a meaningful result
[06:50] <freelove> frazer: wow! thats EXACTLY the same reason why i stick to kde!!
[06:51] <frazer> took me a while to get sound right though on kde
[06:51] <freelove> kkathman: kde is more powerful & usable than gnome.but gnome is over-clean;)
[06:51] <angasule> I took a few screenshots of kubuntu and put it up in a webserver, and then show them off to friends, much prettier than the Evil OS :)
[06:51] <hugelmopf> freelove: what do you mean by over-clean? interface or code?
[06:52] <freelove> interface
[06:52] <kkathman> freelove: I guess its just one's perspective
[06:52] <angasule> heh gtk code... yuck
[06:52] <hugelmopf> freelove: some consider the interface of gnome to be too clean, some like it ;-)
[06:52] <hugelmopf> and that's why it is good to have at least two competitors
[06:53] <admrl> if anyones ever tryed to use like /home/$USER/.*
[06:53] <hugelmopf> (after all: otherwise you'd have to use windows ;-))
[06:53] <admrl> to get all your hidden folders you cant in gnome
[06:53] <kkathman> but I generally consider KDE easier to get what you want your desktop to be, than having to "settle" for gnome - gnome can do it, but much more effort and downloads
[06:53] <freelove> hugelmopf: yes i love it too..but its lack of certain features depress me.....
[06:53] <admrl> well nautilus
[06:53] <freelove> kkathman: u r right:)
[06:53] <hugelmopf> freelove: if you are talking about gnome: i am a kde-lover and user by heart.
[06:53] <angasule> man, this voice chat thingy is really bad, don't know why it bothers with a UI, if it requires command line parameters to start...
[06:54] <freelove> im a also a kde lover AND gnome lover but certain features (or lack of them) in either of them bug me..
[06:55] <freelove> none of them are complete for me...
[06:55] <Armagguedes> ihe installed fluxbox, but still havent tried it
[06:55] <freelove> soo i keep switching:)
[06:55] <frazer> me to lol i like bits of both
[06:55] <frazer> at uni I use gnome with the k bar on it lol
[06:56] <Armagguedes> merde
[06:56] <Armagguedes> how do i install more fontsin linux?
[06:56] <freelove> lol
[06:57] <_steven> lool
[06:57] <Anttu> hello
[06:57] <_steven> hello
[06:57] <Anttu> i need some help installing kubuntu
[06:57] <_steven> talk to us whats up
[06:57] <Anttu> i've been using mandriva up until today, when i tried to switch
[06:58] <_steven> ok whats the problem
[06:58] <Anttu> well, it went okay first, but when i tried to make a user, well, i just kept making user after user. no end to it
[06:58] <angasule> is GSM a proprietary codec?
[06:59] <Anttu> so i pressed the back button, and came to the menu of install options. and so i continued with the next one, i guess it is install extra software or something. then some weird questions about my gfx card appeared a couple of times (same question!)
[07:00] <Anttu> well, it installed some stuff, but when i booted up, my screen was just garbled
[07:00] <Anttu> and when i tried to reinstall everything, the installer whined something about a blank password, but i still couldnt change anything
[07:00] <_steven> Anttu: you may have a bad install going
[07:01] <Anttu> what would you recommend?
[07:01] <_steven> I would try re-installing it somthing fishie is going on
[07:01] <hugelmopf> Anttu: it sounds like a bad installation. are you sure the cd was burned properly?
[07:01] <Anttu> yeah, shouldnt have been any problem
[07:02] <Anttu> i even tried to install my nvidia drivers, but a LOT of packages were gone, like gcc and such
[07:03] <_steven> got to run l8r
[07:03] <angasule> Armagguedes: hmm, I think if you write fonts:/// (yes, three /, it's not a typo) and then copy your .ttf fonts there (I'm guessing inside System, so you'll have to copy them as root)
[07:03] <Anttu> later
[07:03] <frazer> well nice talkin to ya all goin to  aLAN now :D
[07:04] <hugelmopf> Anttu: gcc is not installed by default i believe.
[07:04] <angasule> Armagguedes: are you around? I can walk you through it if you want
[07:04] <_steven> Anttu: its a bitch to get install with out the nvidia install even my sceen was not read able so boot in safe mode and apt-get the drives and PLEASE READ THE HOW TO"S in the starter guide....
[07:04] <whoiam55> hello jpatrick
[07:05] <Anttu> i've read the documentation, but it didn't contain any troubleshooting..
[07:06] <_steven> I have to run meeting time sorry :(
[07:07] <Armagguedes> tsk tsk IRC'ing while @ work
[07:07] <angasule> Armagguedes: well, seems you're not around, short version: press ALT+F2, write "kdesu konqueror" and press enter (it'll ask for your password), then that particular konqueror window is run as root, if you type fonts:/// in the address bar, you'll see all installed fonts, copy any new fonts you want there, you'll probably have to restart the X Window System for them to work (it's not really necessary, but it's the fastest way, I think)
[07:08] <Armagguedes> angasule ok tks
[07:08] <Armagguedes> i left you a pvt thou
[07:08] <Armagguedes> ill go get some TTFs from my xp box then
[07:08] <angasule> Armagguedes: I didn't receive it :?
[07:09] <jjesse> is there a reason that it seems like the eclipse documentation is not installed?
[07:09] <angasule> Armagguedes: ok, have fun, I'm off for lunch, be back in 30 minutes or so
[07:09] <jjesse> i followed the instructions on wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[07:09] <Armagguedes> ok tks
[07:09] <angasule> jjesse: is it installed?
[07:09] <angasule> jjesse: the package should be eclipse-doc or similar
[07:09] <jjesse> angasule: shouldn't it be installed if you installed the ide?
[07:10] <angasule> jjesse: nope
[07:11] <Anttu> well, gotta test that installation again.. later
[07:19] <ninnghizidha> how to take screenshots under kde?
[07:20] <Armagguedes> PRINTSCREEN?
[07:20] <Serberus> KSnapshot
[07:20] <ninnghizidha> thanks a lot
[07:20] <Serberus> np
[07:20] <ninnghizidha> perfect! :-)
[07:20] <Serberus> :)
[07:21] <ninnghizidha> ah, i love kde so much more han gnome ... gnome is gimp'd
[07:32] <hardwire> hola
[07:33] <hardwire> has kicker started to behave w/ multiple individual desktops?
[07:33] <hardwire> :0.0 and :0.1 ?
[07:41] <_jonas> how do I set up my computer with WPA??
[07:47] <Armagguedes> _jonas you need the wpasupplicant package
[07:48] <lululinux> where's the best howto for making mp* sound work?
[07:50] <Armagguedes> check the wiki.ubuntu.org homepage for the RestrictedFormats faq
[07:50] <sampan> !restrictedformats
[07:50] <ubotu> it has been said that restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[07:51] <lululinux> wiki.ubuntu.org could not be found. Please check the name and try again.
[07:52] <sampan> yes, if you substitute "org" for "com", there's a high probability that you won't find the right page ;)
[07:52] <sampan> lululinux  click ubotu's link
[07:52] <sampan> it's the restricted formats guide
[07:52] <lululinux> I did already :)
[07:52] <sampan> :D
[07:52] <sampan> enjoy!
[07:53] <lululinux> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse
[07:53] <lululinux> I don't thing I enabled multiverse yet :-p
[07:55] <Armagguedes> i enabled main multiverse universe restricted on ALL repos
[07:55] <tamu> hai freind... i sucess installing xpde 0.5.1
[07:55] <Armagguedes> merde ao carr
[07:56] <Armagguedes> can someone tell of a IME thing to input japanese characters
[07:56] <Armagguedes> other than SCIM
[07:56] <tamu> but i don't know active it when booting
[07:56] <Armagguedes> aparently this causes ffox1.5 to crash
[07:56] <sampan> armagguedes  there is SCIM for inputing other languages ... but there are severe bugs in the SCIM packages for breezy
[07:57] <tamu> can you show me what file can i edit? for it..?
[07:58] <Armagguedes> sampan i need something other than scim
[07:58] <Armagguedes> it crashes firefox
[07:58] <sampan> oh, then i have no idea -- scim is what i've always used for chinese/japanese until now (waiting for backports from dapper so i can use it again actually)
[07:59] <sampan> nice to know it crashes firefox 1.5
[07:59] <sampan> :/
[07:59] <osh_> sampan: firefox 1.5 is out for kubuntu?
[08:00] <sampan> osh_  i don't think so -- not in the official repos at least ... one would have to install from mozilla's downloads i suspect
[08:00] <Armagguedes> osh_ no
[08:01] <sampan> !firefox1.5
[08:01] <ubotu> You can update to firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[08:01] <Armagguedes> i had to download directly from mozilla
[08:01] <Armagguedes> than used some wiki on the official ubuntu site
[08:01] <Armagguedes> yes thats it
[08:04] <voicu> how do i set my kde desktop in another language? i installed language-pack-ro and language-pack-base-ro but i don't know how to log in with another language (this probably is to you a stupid question)
[08:06] <pointwood> voicu: you change that in the system settings
[08:07] <sampan> not 100%, but iirc wouldn't "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" work to change the system language?
[08:08] <voicu> i found locales and that stuff but in the 'add language' list only EN appears
[08:08] <voicu> (in control center)
[08:12] <pointwood> hrm...
[08:12] <pointwood> wierd
[08:12] <pointwood> wait...
[08:12] <pointwood> are you sure you installed the right language packs?
[08:14] <voicu> uh, i installed language-pack-ro and language-pack-ro-base (with kynaptic)
[08:14] <voicu> i reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
[08:14] <voicu> but it still doesn't work
[08:18] <Armagguedes> btw i have an Acer Travelmate 4002WLMi laptop, and would like to use its hotkeys (Fn + smtg)
[08:18] <voicu> pointwood: in control center at section regional & accessability -> language there is an 'add language' button. that's where i should find the RO pack, right?
[08:18] <Armagguedes> how can i configure them
[08:19] <Armagguedes> and use the synaptic touchpad
[08:19] <pointwood> voicu: I would have thought you should add them through adept
[08:20] <voicu> pointwood: is there some config file to add an entry for the language-pack?
[08:20] <pointwood> no idea :(
[08:21] <pointwood> I'm not english myself, but I always use english...
[08:21] <voicu> i tried to find one in /etc or /home/.kde but i don't actually know what i'm looking for :P
[08:21] <voicu> i like using english too but i was curios to see the translation
[08:23] <pointwood> hehe
[08:31] <vvizard> I'm having some problems. Just installed Kubuntu. kdesu didn't work "SU  returned with an error." So in  some forum, I saw someone suggesting to disable the root account with "sudo passwd -l root". So I tried. Well, the error haven't dissapeared, and now my root-account is lost to. Could anybody help out with this?
[08:31] <jpatrick> vvizard: use sudo
[08:32] <vvizard> Use sudo how? Got any FAQ that address this issue, or a forum-post describing a remedy for the problem?
[08:33] <jpatrick> vvizard: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/RootSudo
[08:33] <vvizard> Thanks, I'll check it out
[08:35] <vvizard> When I try "sudo passwd root", the command just returns. Same goes for all the sudo commands I try. It just dumps me right back to the shell, without any explanation
[08:36] <DHGE> freeNX client - deb-source anyone?
[08:36] <hyperactivecrond> wow dell is retarded... i'm installing winxp with my dell-reinstallation disc under qemu and apparently my disc isn't bioslocked
[08:37] <hyperactivecrond> sorry for the off-topic guys
[08:38] <hyperactivecrond> legality: questionable...
[08:39] <hyperactivecrond> either that or qemu looks @ the host pc's bios
[08:43] <Armagguedes> whts the difference between X and X.org
[08:44] <jpatrick> Armagguedes: they're the same
[08:46] <sharket> hello
[08:53] <_nesta> hello
[08:53] <_nesta> my 'most used applications' seperator on the kicker is not there , how can i restore it ??
[08:54] <hussam> why is lvm10 in universe? Is it not a necessary package?
[08:54] <hussam> or do I just need lvm2?
[08:55] <jpatrick> _nesta: configure panel -> Menus
[08:56] <_nesta> great thanls
[08:56] <_nesta> k
[08:59] <lululinux> sampan: ubotu Armagguedes thx :-) Amarok & Kaffeine working now. :-)
[08:59] <lululinux> and SeaMonkey
[09:00] <sharket> does anybody use any calendar ?
[09:00] <sampan> lululinux  glad to hear you got it working! :)
[09:00] <Blissex> sharket: the sumerian started doing so several thousand years ago...
[09:01] <sharket> i mean in kde
[09:01] <sharket> for make plans
[09:01] <sharket> :P
[09:01] <sharket> :))
[09:01] <kkathman> yes
[09:01] <kkathman> in kontakt
[09:02] <sampan> plans?  we don't need no steeeeeeenking plans
[09:02] <kkathman> lol sampan :)
[09:02] <sampan> ;D
[09:02] <sharket> yes we do  sampan
[09:03] <kkathman> sharket: try kontact .. its pretty nice for a calendar
[09:03] <lululinux> what config file holds the chosen DM/Greeter?
[09:03] <kkathman> I think you can call that separately also
[09:03] <sharket> i'm going to leave from my contry so many times nexw year :S
[09:03] <sharket> thx kkathman
[09:04] <kkathman> sharket: its not kcal or kcalendar...but something like that...I dont use it often because my planning is done on my company laptop
[09:05] <sharket> ok
[09:05] <sharket> is not inside the standart installation, right ?
[09:05] <kkathman> sharket: try korganizer
[09:06] <sharket> ok
[09:06] <lululinux> will running 'sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop' switch from kdm to gdm? If so, how do I put it back?
[09:06] <jpatrick> lululinux: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[09:06] <kkathman> lululinux: you can choose from your login splash
[09:07] <lululinux> Ok thx :)
[09:07] <rev> maybe someone can tell me whats missing here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6032 ?
[09:07] <kkathman> or should be able to I reckon
[09:07] <mpma> Has anyone used Gwenview to catalog images, i.e. to add them to a special list, say 'favorites' or 'to print' ?
[09:08] <mpma> I can't find that feature if it exists
[09:08] <sharket> Kontact got all :))
[09:09] <kujeger> say, how do I force konqueror to always use a view moe (i.e. tree view) whenever I open anything?
[09:09] <kujeger> mode*
[09:10] <sampan> kujeger  get it viewing how you like it, and then save the profile
[09:10] <sampan> settings --> save view profile <foo.bar>
[09:10] <mpma> Anyone happily using Gwenview with Plugin fuctionality on Kubuntu?
[09:11] <kujeger> oh, thanks. Can't believe I missed that.
[09:11] <sharket> does anybody use the spamassasin ?
[09:12] <sampan> kujeger  np  :)
[09:12] <nalioth> kujeger: make konqueror look the way you want, and then go to Settings > Save View Profile
[09:13] <kujeger> yes, it worked nicely.
[09:13] <kujeger> Can't seem to get it to remember window position though - only size.
[09:15] <sampan> my only gripe with the profiles is that i couldn't seem to delete some of the ones that were there originally -- maybe i just missed it, but i could not get it to delete the prefigured profiles
[09:16] <sampan> i only need fm and web -- and having 4 other (to me useless) profiles is just silly
[09:17] <sampan> there's a "delete profile" button in the save view profile dialogue box, but it doesn't work
[09:45] <snake> Hello!
[09:46] <Snake__> Hey guys, how would set default programs?
[09:48] <_matt> Can someone tell me if its possible to get root access while using Konqueror so I can change folder permissions with out using console?
[09:48] <Snake__> Right click, actions, edit as root
[09:48] <Snake__> _matt:
[09:48] <jjesse> best wiki page to go about automounting windows (ntfs) partitions on ubuntu
[09:48] <_matt> I dont see the option
[09:49] <jjesse> !ntfs
[09:49] <ubotu> I heard ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[09:49] <Snake__> _matt: what kind of file?
[09:49] <jjesse> hmmm that's a messy wiki page
[09:49] <_matt> I want to change my .wine folder so i can edit inside of it
[09:49] <sampan> snake__  one way is: konq --> settings --> configure konq --> file associations ... locate the file type you want to change default app for and change it to that app
[09:49] <Snake__> sampan: that will do, thanks man
[09:49] <sampan> sure
[09:50] <_matt> wineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/matt/.wine/system.reg : Permission denied
[09:50] <_matt> I need to change it so I have permissions in the folder
[09:50] <Snake__> You should be able to right click the file (In the explorer view) and select edit as root..
[09:51] <Snake__> Odd...
[09:51] <_matt> hmm I dont see the option
[09:51] <_matt> is it something that needs to be added in with the settings?
[09:51] <Snake__> it wasn't for me
[09:52] <Snake__> hold on a sec
[09:52] <_matt> As far as I know I have  root access
[09:52] <sampan> _matt  it's under "actions"
[09:52] <_matt> looked there too
[09:52] <_matt> didnt see it
[09:52] <Snake__> Thats what I told him sampan
[09:52] <sampan> right-click --> actions --> edit as root ...
[09:52] <sampan> hrmmmm ... there for me
[09:52] <_matt> unless you open it as a terminal
[09:53] <Snake__> _matt: I could tell you how to change permissions, but thats not a good practice with system files
[09:53] <sampan> _matt  you probably opened konq in web profile
[09:53] <sampan> it's not there when i use that profile either -- open konq in file management profile instead
[09:53] <_matt> I wouldnt know the difference
[09:53] <_matt> it just says /home/matt
[09:54] <_matt> that goes for any of my regular folders too though
[09:55] <_matt> theres no edit as root
[09:55] <ninnghizidha> anyone knows, why kopete cant send special characters to gaim?
[09:55] <sampan> it's because when you start konq it's not in file management profile ... you can start konq in fm mode at CLI: konqueror --profile filemanagement
[09:56] <sampan> or you can add the konq profiles buttong to your taskbar/startmenu ... or add a kmenu item for fm mode (same command in the menu command: konqueror --profile filemanagement)
[09:56] <sampan> buttong=button
[09:58] <Snake__> Wtf why is it still opening with konq...
[09:58] <Snake__> POS
[09:59] <sampan> i like konq as a browser but still too many formatting errors -- even the kde.org help pages are messed up at the bottom (overlapping lines)
[10:00] <lululinux> that's because mice make most web pages, and can read that mousetype that overlaps when you zoom or use minimum font size
[10:00] <lululinux> :)
[10:00] <sampan> lol
[10:01] <lululinux> real men would use Texas size type so everyone could read it without zoom
[10:05] <Blissex> sampan: there are no such things as formatting errors in HTML...
[10:14] <sampan> blissex well i'm not all that technical, but i don't know what else to call it when text that displays in nice neatly spaced lines in firefox is "formatted" into messy, unreadable overlapping lines in konq
[10:15] <sampan> doesn't happen all that often, but often enough that i use firefox as my default webbrowser
[10:15] <Blissex> sampan: thats bad HTML most likely. Lots of it around....
[10:15] <sampan> perhaps, odd that i run into it even on kde's own webpages though
[10:15] <Blissex> sampan: anyhow I use almost only Konqueror now, and with a custom stylesheet that simplifies things, so perhaps that's what helps.
[10:18] <arabek> evening
[10:18] <arabek> first try at the newest kubuntu dvd
[10:18] <arabek> :)
[10:23] <sampan> blissex, cool ... don't get me wrong though: i think konq is -great-.  being able to rip cds within my file-manager while surfing the web on a separate tab, and previewing a pdf file in another tab -- that's just a stupendous piece of work.  but i do wish it displayed webpages (or the poorly written ones) more competantly
[10:24] <sampan> s/competantly/competently
[10:25] <arabek> sampan, tried the 3.5 konqueror?
[10:26] <sampan> arabek no, i haven't upgraded to 3.5 yet -- i kinda avoid the "constant upgrade" disease ;)
[10:27] <_nesta> anyone know a link that contains all of the user manuals for the different apps that come installed on kubuntu ??
[10:27] <arabek> sampan, konqueror is at last usable in this version. while beeing on the latest -rc1 with gen2 i finally dropped firefox
[10:28] <Blissex> _nesta: '/usr/share/doc' usually :-)
[10:28] <hugelmopf> _nesta: in the k-menu there is a help section, where you can find many handbooks of KDE's programs
[10:28] <_nesta> just that?
[10:28] <_nesta> in terminal ?
[10:28] <_nesta> or knoqueror?
[10:28] <_nesta> thanks hugel
[10:28] <jpatrick> _nesta: khelpcenter
[10:30] <sampan> arabek  nice!  :)
[10:30] <_nesta> ok
[10:31] <_nesta> i have a problem with my screen if i put it on higher resolution 1024 i cant see the kicker icon on the bottom left
[10:31] <_nesta> so i have to use 800
[10:31] <_nesta> is there a way to fix this
[10:34] <gole> odd one here... found one mp3 that plays choppy, but the rest play fine...
[10:34] <gole> and the mp3 plays fine over samba on a windows box
[10:35] <gole> so i'm stuck scratching my head, since i know the file is fine... just something with the playback in linux
[10:38] <Blissex> gole: it is not a file related thing usually, unless it is a particularly challenging rate.
[10:39] <Blissex> gole: look at http://tinyurl.com/bp7ch   and the quality section of http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2
[10:41] <gole> ok looking thanks
[10:46] <_nesta> anyone know how i can into network configuration settings on kde
[10:47] <gwynm> Hey guys. I've got a laptop here with no CD drive, but I have ethernet and a 512mb bootable USB drive. Is it possible to do a kubuntu install?
[10:49] <gole> _nesta, Kmenu > system settings > network settings
[10:56] <manolista> are xorg 7.0 packages avaiable for ubuntu?
[10:57] <crimsun_> in Dapper, yes.
[10:57] <crimsun_> they won't be for Warty, Hoary, or Breezy.
[10:58] <osh_> This http://rafb.net/paste/results/DMW67l94.html doesn't extract the file that I expect it to. It does extract the first files, the one in a subdir, but not the regular files. Any ideas?
[11:02] <osh_> Also, is it a known fact that you cant copy things from emacs to any other app?
[11:02] <_nesta> i have a problem with my screen if i put it on higher resolution 1024 i cant see the kicker icon on the bottom left
[11:02] <_nesta> is there a way to fix this???
[11:03] <osh_> _nesta: does the screen scroll down if you put the mousepointer at the bottom of it?
[11:03] <fyzix> Hi :-) Anybody know how to change the basic character set that kubuntu uses?
[11:03] <osh_> _nesta: try ctrl +
[11:05] <_nesta> no it doesnt scroll over
[11:05] <sharket> i don't know what synaptic is
[11:05] <_nesta> i cant access the kicker when its like this
[11:05] <sharket> and don't know where find it
[11:05] <_nesta> ctrl + didnt do anything
[11:06] <osh_> _nesta: not even if you do it several times?
[11:06] <_nesta> nope
[11:06] <_nesta> nothing :(
[11:06] <sampan> sharket  synaptic is ubuntu's GUI package manager.  if you installed kubuntu, you don't have it installed.  look for Adept instead
[11:06] <Riddell> fyzix: dpkg-reconfigure locale
[11:06] <sharket> ah good
[11:07] <sampan> or rather, if you installed just kubuntu (if you installed ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop, then you have both synaptic and adept)
[11:07] <sharket> yes i used adept
[11:07] <sharket> but i have one problem
[11:07] <sharket> Miscellaneous - Graphical (restricted) > nvidia-glx
[11:07] <sharket> Miscellaneous - Graphical (restricted) > nvidia-settings
[11:07] <sharket> i can't find these ones
[11:07] <sampan> just one?  i have many -- most are not related to computers though ;/
[11:08] <sharket> only nvidia-kernel-common - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[11:08] <osh_> _nesta: Then you would probably go into xorg.conf but I don't really know enough about it to help you with it. Experiment a bit with it. ;-)
[11:08] <fyzix> riddel it returns: Package `locale' is not installed and no info is available.
[11:08] <sampan> sharket have you enabled the repositories?
[11:08] <_nesta> osh:also there is black border on the right...its like everything is dragged to the left off the screen..including irc and webpages, until i rezise them..but i cant get the kicker anyway
[11:08] <sharket> which ones ?
[11:09] <fyzix> riddell it returns: Package `locale' is not installed and no info is available.
[11:09] <fyzix> riddell apt-get install localeconf?
[11:09] <osh_> _nesta: it's not your screen that needs to be adjusted?
[11:10] <sharket> sampan: which repositories ?
[11:10] <Riddell> fyzix: locales
[11:10] <sampan> sharket  not sure exactly which repo the nvidia packages are in.  but in Adept, go to the top: Adept --> Manage Repositories... there, enable the lines with universe and multiverse i think
[11:10] <sharket> ah have enabled
[11:10] <sharket> those ones
[11:10] <sharket> all :)
[11:11] <sampan> sharket  hrmmmmm ... searching for "nvidia" doesn't bring up the glx and settings packages?
[11:12] <_nesta> osh: thanks alot! that fixed it :p
[11:13] <sharket> xserver-xorg-driver-nv - X.Org X server -- NV driver
[11:13] <sharket> nvidia-kernel-common - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[11:13] <sharket> these tho ones
[11:13] <sharket> maybe first ?
[11:15] <sampan> sharket  nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings are in the restricted sections -- you have those enabled?  i see them in adept just fine :/
[11:16] <sharket> let me see
[11:16] <sampan> did you update your repo list?  (sudo apt-get update)
[11:17] <sampan> sharket  you can see that they're in the repos: http://packages.ubuntu.com/  then type in "nvidia" in the search bar ... a bunch of packages, including nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings
[11:21] <fyzix> riddell thanks
[11:25] <ndazza> Hi! Does anyone know if there's a way to rate-limit apt-get? I'm trying to minimise my bandwidth usage
[11:25] <hume> hi...i got a problem with a  brand new installation of kubuntu - in kmail i get every second row of mails colored dark blue - and i cant get rid of it, even though changing themes
[11:26] <hume> anyone know how to get back to a readable list of mails in kmal? must be some theme-thing.....
[11:26] <kkathman> hume: cant say that I've ever seen that
[11:26] <kkathman> lemme check
[11:27] <hume> i tried some themes, among them the blue-and-yellow....and this pattern sticks....
[11:27] <fyzix> hume I've tried it before. It probably marked them not new, but not read
[11:27] <kkathman> hume every other line on mine is very light blue, but not dark
[11:28] <fyzix> hume just select them all and mark as read
[11:28] <ndazza> hume: have you tried configuring kmail and setting custom colours?
[11:28] <kkathman> hume: try Configure Kmail - Appearance - Colors
[11:28] <hume> yes, it is this "every second row", not the "new mails" function...but instead of light light blue it is dark blue...
[11:28] <kkathman> change the alternate color (2nd one down)
[11:29] <hume> you think it is kmail specific, not kde theme?
[11:29] <kkathman> alternative background color
[11:29] <kkathman> yes
[11:29] <sharket> sampan: , http://pastebin.com/475770
[11:29] <sharket> i think everything is enabled...
[11:29] <kkathman> hume: just try what I said and see if that helps
[11:29] <hume> ok....yes, that changes it
[11:30] <hume> now it looks much better
[11:30] <kkathman> excellent
[11:30] <sampan> sharket and you've updated the package lists after enabling?
[11:30] <hume> so I should stick with this, personalised settings of colors?
[11:31] <kkathman> hume: you can save those, yes, or change them up as you'd like
[11:31] <sampan> if so, then i'm at a loss, because the repos (apt-cache, adept, synaptic, and the web package list at http://packages.ubuntu.com all say nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings are there)
[11:31] <hume> i also got rather heavy window borders, dark blue.....
[11:31] <sharket> yes
[11:31] <hume> they are set to Plasik now, small, but do not look either plastik or smalll.....
[11:31] <sharket> apt-get update
[11:32] <sharket> then ?
[11:32] <sharket> where is the matter
[11:32] <sharket> those are my repositories
[11:32] <hume> same thing with alternate rows are in kcontrol.....
[11:32] <hume> now.....i found it...:)
[11:33] <hume> solved...thanks......color scheme in kcontrol...:)
[11:33] <sampan> sharket  i don't know where the problem is.  apt-cache search, adept, synaptic, aptitude, and the web package list all show them for me -- so if you have the repos enabled and have updated, they should be there for you too
[11:35] <sharket> yes
[11:35] <sharket> adept use apt right ?
[11:35] <sharket> i readed that...
[11:35] <sampan> yes, adept is just a GUI front-end for apt
[11:35] <sharket> well, i don't really need it
[11:35] <sharket> i like shell
[11:37] <os2mac> having a problem after doing dapper updates yesterday....
[11:38] <os2mac> I cannot do get updates again....
[11:38] <os2mac> it errors with s segserv error with adept and with errors on apt-get update
[11:40] <kkathman> os2mac: do you possibly have it open elsewhere or have an apt-get still active?
[11:40] <kkathman> check ksysguard just in case (or ps aux at konsole)
[11:41] <sharket> godammit
[11:42] <os2mac> No I just booted it up.
[11:44] <os2mac> it is not running.
[11:44] <os2mac> that I can see.
[11:44] <kkathman> sharket: please refrain from that language
[11:45] <kkathman> os2mac: so you tried to do another adept-update and it gives you the segfault?
[11:45] <kkathman> segserv ohh hmm
[11:45] <sharket> sorry
[11:45] <sharket> :S
[11:45] <kkathman> you didnt inadvertantly change the repos back did you?
[11:47] <Kaiser_Sleeps> hi kkathman
[11:47] <os2mac> no I ran updates yesterday and it faulted .... I shutdown and rebooted and attempted again to do apt-get install... it passed that time.but now when I run apt-get update or adept updater I get a segserv error
[11:47] <kkathman> Kaiser_Sleeps: talkin in yer sleep again I see :)
[11:47] <Kaiser_Sleeps> it's a tough life :)
[11:48] <kkathman> I dont see that SEGSERV error very much in here
[11:48] <os2mac> kkathman: sources.list is set to dapper....
[11:48] <kkathman> I think the best person to help you might be Hobbsee when she comes in..since she's worked with Dapper alot
[11:49] <os2mac> any idea when she is due in?
[11:49] <Kaiser_Sleeps> os2mac: what errors do you get runing apt-get update?
[11:49] <kkathman> os2mac: this error usually points to an application error where the progam tries to write an address out of bounds
[11:49] <Kaiser_Sleeps> she could be any time
[11:50] <kkathman> or could be a disk fault error also..i.e. something was trying to write and only partially completed
[11:50] <steve_laptop> ok for you laptop users with wifi wlassisant for ubuntu   - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=597441#post597441
[11:51] <kkathman> shes usually in around now, unless she has to work
[11:51] <os2mac> Kaiser_sleeps I get a signal 11 sigserv fault.
[11:52] <Kaiser_Sleeps> or family commitments (a day or so before xmas)
[11:52] <Kaiser_Sleeps> oh, segfault :| are you sure the last update was successfull?
[11:52] <os2mac> it completed without errors that I saw (though I may be mistaken) how to I back off updates?
[11:52] <kkathman> Kaiser_Sleeps: no, a segserv error
[11:53] <Kaiser_Sleeps> os2mac: you don't (as a rule)
[11:53] <kkathman> Kaiser_Sleeps: no I ran updates yesterday and it faulted .... I shutdown and rebooted and attempted again to do apt-get install... it passed that time.but now when I run apt-get update or adept updater I get a segserv error
[11:53] <Kaiser_Sleeps> os2mac: can you install apt- again? `sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/apt*`
[11:53] <kkathman> that was what he said earlier
[11:53] <kkathman> I suspect he's got a bad update
[11:53] <os2mac> lemme try
[11:54] <Kaiser_Sleeps> hm. thanks kkathman.
[11:54] <kkathman> thanks for helping Kaiser_Sleeps :)
[11:54] <Lacerta> I want sound. What do i have to type?
[11:54] <kkathman> Lacerta: uhmm sound with what?
[11:54] <Lacerta> any sound
[11:55] <kkathman> sound should be enabled
[11:55] <Kaiser_Sleeps> kkathman: np. not a hard thing to do :)
[11:55] <kkathman> Lacerta: on a dvd or cd, thats a different story
[11:55] <Lacerta> i haven't heard anything from linux so far
[11:55] <kkathman> Lacerta: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:55] <os2mac> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/475822
[11:55] <Lacerta> kkathman:  kubuntu
[11:56] <sampan> The Silence of the Linux
[11:56] <kkathman> Lacerta: K-menu, System Settings - Sound and Multimedia - enable the sound system
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> os2mac: did you do `apt*` or just `apt`?
[11:56] <Lacerta> kkathman: it's enabled
[11:56] <kkathman> Lacerta: ok thats good
[11:57] <os2mac> just apt... running it again
[11:57] <kkathman> Lacerta: good place to start at least
[11:57] <Lacerta> unable to connect to sound server
[11:57] <crimsun_> Lacerta: cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:57] <xianze> hi im looking for someone who can translate some chinese words for me and maybe tell me where to find mor information about the figures. =) //sorry to be annoying in this kubuntu channel o_O
[11:57] <os2mac> ok appears to completed successfully... do you want to see the output?
[11:57] <kkathman> thanx crimsun...I need to go Christmas shopping now..bbl
[11:57] <sampan> later kkathman
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> os2mac: yes thanks. but try apt-get update again
[11:58] <sampan> xianze, got a url to look at?
[11:58] <os2mac> ok Lemme do the output first
[11:58] <xianze> sampan: yes, www.welan.se/Kina/
[11:59] <os2mac> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/475824
[11:59] <xianze> P1010003.JPG is in nice quality and maybe can be read i think ;)
[12:00] <sampan> xianze  i get a 404 there ... www.welan.se opens, but no characters that i can see
[12:00] <xianze> http://www.welan.se/Kina/
[12:01] <os2mac> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/475828
[12:01] <xianze> hmm weird, it works fine for me, hmm
[12:01] <os2mac> output of apt-get update
[12:01] <xianze> its pictures
[12:01] <Lacerta> crimsun_:  what's with the file?
[12:01] <crimsun_> Lacerta: you're supposed to tell me what the command returns.
[12:02] <Lacerta> crimsun_: my both cards
[12:02] <Lacerta> 0 [AudioPCI       ] : ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI
[12:02] <Lacerta>                      Ensoniq AudioPCI ENS1371 at 0xd400, irq 18
[12:02] <Lacerta> 1 [V8235          ] : VIA8233 - VIA 8235
[12:02] <Lacerta>                      VIA 8235 with AD1980 at 0xe000, irq 22
[12:02] <crimsun_> Lacerta: so which one do you want to use by default?
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> os2mac: ok. so about half the errors are because you have your cdrom enabled in apt, but it's not in the drive, the other half are becaus the us mirror has gone awol again by the look of it
[12:02] <Lacerta> crimsun_: V8235 i think