| seb128 | jbailey: no, but there is a package on the website | 12:02 |
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| sebest_ | slomo, dunno :) | 12:02 |
| jbailey | seb128: Any chance of me batting my eyelashes at you sweetly to consider it for desktop? | 12:02 |
| seb128 | jbailey: it was on my list of cool stuff, I'll make sure we have it for dapper | 12:03 |
| jbailey | Cool. I'm just looking at a new swfdec right now. | 12:03 |
| seb128 | I dropped it somewhere before 5.10 | 12:03 |
| jbailey | Convincing it that it wants to compile. | 12:03 |
| seb128 | k | 12:03 |
| Nafallo | oooh, swfdec. | 12:03 |
| jbailey | But if the README and the Changelog are any indication, it looks like a far better bet. | 12:03 |
| ogra | seb128, you got my full support there ... | 12:03 |
| jbailey | ogra: Careful. He'll assign all the bugs to you. | 12:04 |
| Nafallo | I have the ~/tmp/badger.swf to try it on for amd64 ;-) | 12:04 |
| ogra | jbailey, i'll happily take them ... i can be a hard bone in bugzilla :) | 12:04 |
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| Pygi | hehe valandil ;) | 12:06 |
| sebest_ | seb128, btw federico is working on modifying nautilus-share not to use dbus | 12:08 |
| jbailey | What's wrong with dbus? | 12:08 |
| sebest_ | he is working in collaboration with jeremy to add support in samba itself for this feature | 12:08 |
| sebest_ | jbailey, nothing , but i think this could be done with samba's IPC | 12:09 |
| sebest_ | i used dbus, because i wanted to work with a vanilla samba | 12:09 |
| slomo | sebest_: did you get a query from me? | 12:11 |
| seb128 | sebest_: what feature use dbus? | 12:11 |
| sebest_ | slomo: a query? | 12:12 |
| sebest_ | seb128: the nautilus-extension talks with a deamon using dbus | 12:12 |
| slomo | sebest_: ok, so you got none? weird... | 12:13 |
| sebest_ | the deamon modifies a file that is included by samba | 12:13 |
| slomo | sebest_: anyway... for the nautilus-share package... copyright is definitely too small (need to add license, copyright holders, etc), cdbs and libxml-parser-perl are missing as a build-dependency, add ${misc:Depends} to the Depends of the package and you should make it a non-native package :) other than that it seems to be fine to me but i haven't tested it yet, only built it | 12:16 |
| sebest_ | slomo: what is the difference between a native and a non-native package? | 12:17 |
| slomo | sebest_: a non-native one has a orig.tar.gz (i.e. the upstream tarball) and a diff.gz adding the debian specific changes... a native one consists of only a tar.gz with everything in there, including debian specific changes | 12:19 |
| sebest_ | slomo: ok | 12:20 |
| sebest_ | slomo: i will implement your advices tomorow | 12:21 |
| slomo | sebest_: thanks, just ping me when you're done... and consider mailing keyring@tiber.tauware.de with your gpg key and asking for a revu login :) ( http://revu.tauware.de/ ) | 12:23 |
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| sebest_ | slomo: no problem :) | 12:25 |
| slomo | sebest_: btw, i'll most probably find some time around christmas to work on s-d-a for the new plugin system :) and it's now in debian since some minutes | 12:28 |
| sebest_ | slomo: me too, after the snowboard sessions ;) | 12:28 |
| sebest_ | i'll have to port it to the new notification api | 12:29 |
| slomo | sebest_: that too... maybe i find some time for it earlier... where are you snowboarding? :) | 12:30 |
| sebest_ | i'll go to "la plagne" | 12:31 |
| sebest_ | and to "val thorens" in march | 12:31 |
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| Valandil | hi Pygi :-)) | 12:40 |
| Pygi | hi hi | 12:40 |
| Valandil | :) | 12:41 |
| Pygi | heh, I wanted to ask why all the smilyes but that's offtopic ;) | 12:42 |
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| Riddell | mdke: I've not done anything with the docs today | 12:51 |
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| mdke | Riddell, ah k | 12:52 |
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| ryanpg | daniels, hi and congrats on xorg 7.0 | 12:54 |
| ryanpg | daniels, with the most recent xorg stuff for dapper, subpixel aa appears to be broken with EXA http://ruinaudio.com/files/xaa-exa.png | 12:55 |
| sebest_ | anyone installed dapper on vmware? (for me /dev/sda is not created on first boot after installation completed) | 12:58 |
| rtcm | ryanpg: the fonts look the same to me on my LCD | 12:59 |
| ryanpg | rtcm, you mean in my screenshot? or are you saying "works for me"? | 01:01 |
| ryanpg | in the screenshot the fonts on the left (with EXA) are greyscale, the fonts on the left (XAA) are subpixel | 01:02 |
| ogra | ryanpg, thats more likely a fontconfig prob than a X prob ... | 01:02 |
| ryanpg | ogra, but fontconfig doesn't change | 01:03 |
| ryanpg | if I simply comment out the EXA line in xorg.conf fonts work again | 01:03 |
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| slomo | gn8 everybody | 01:03 |
| ogra | ryanpg, exactly, fontconfig wasnt updated yet :) | 01:04 |
| ogra | night slomo | 01:04 |
| ryanpg | ogra, well though I don't think you're right it's a good enough guess for me :P | 01:04 |
| ryanpg | someone in #xorg pointed out the toolbar is subpixel aa'd up to "Tools" | 01:08 |
| ryanpg | on the left half of the screenshot, Search is subpixel AA while Tools is greyscale... how weird eh? | 01:08 |
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| ryanpg | here's a better shot of what's going on http://ruinaudio.com/files/exa-subpixel-not.png | 01:22 |
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| jdub | ryanpg: compare the E in edit to the S in search, then look at the T in Tools and D in Documents | 01:29 |
| ryanpg | jdub, yes but what am I looking for? | 01:30 |
| jdub | ryanpg: you're basing your 'not subpixel' analysis on the prevalence of non-vertical/non-horizontal lines | 01:30 |
| ryanpg | no look closer | 01:30 |
| ryanpg | compare the e in search to the e in documents for example | 01:30 |
| crimsun | they look identical here | 01:31 |
| ryanpg | what? | 01:32 |
| crimsun | your cited example | 01:32 |
| ryanpg | I don't think you guys are looking close enough... I'll zoom in more | 01:32 |
| ryanpg | it's abundantly clear to me somehow | 01:33 |
| ryanpg | http://ruinaudio.com/files/big-exa-subpixel-not.png | 01:35 |
| jdub | regardless, this might not be the most useful place to raise your concerns | 01:35 |
| ryanpg | I dunno, I though daniels would like to know... anyway I'm in the process of filing a bug | 01:35 |
| ryanpg | but you can see now yes? | 01:36 |
| lifeless | I did not think X had anything to do with it. | 01:36 |
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| ryanpg | it's about EXA vs XAA, xaa renders subpixel aa fine, exa has the bug | 01:36 |
| jdub | exa is very much a "join the queue of bug reporters upstream" thing atm | 01:37 |
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| ryanpg | well a bug has been filed | 01:44 |
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| sfeehan | sebest_, there was a thread about this on the ubuntu-devel list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-December/013605.html | 01:56 |
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| eruin | E: /var/cache/apt/archives/locales_2.3.7-1_all.deb: prver skrive over /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_AU, som ogs finnes i pakken language-pack-en-base | 03:29 |
| Amaranth | Riddell: You said you had kubuntu dapper working on a ppc, right? | 03:40 |
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| SEJeff | Is updating x going to bork right now? | 03:42 |
| SEJeff | on dapper | 03:42 |
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| Amaranth | I think he went to find out. | 03:58 |
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| xhaker | BenC, if you're there.. somehow vga=*** works on normal boot, but not on recovery boot (single) | 04:49 |
| BenC | that's probably because vesafb isn't being loaded by usplash on recovery boot | 04:50 |
| BenC | modprobe vesafb | 04:50 |
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| xhaker | BenC, blind? | 04:50 |
| xhaker | the screen is blank | 04:51 |
| xhaker | i can type tho.. but cannot see what | 04:51 |
| BenC | no idea what that is | 04:52 |
| xhaker | BenC, me neither, pretty confusing | 04:52 |
| xhaker | well, one thing is good, using the normal fb works great on my laptop without loosing lines | 04:53 |
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| xhaker | BenC, sorry to bother you again.. noticed an error on my boot.. the first thing that's outputed to the screen | 05:07 |
| xhaker | is this: error ports already open /dev/hdc | 05:07 |
| xhaker | might have something to do with my cdrom drive not working | 05:08 |
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| lamont | grumble. | 05:21 |
| lamont | ECHAN | 05:21 |
| BenC | xhaker: it's an ide-generic load issue, there's already a bug on udev for it | 05:22 |
| BenC | xhaker: you can blacklist ide-generic to fix it | 05:23 |
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| xhaker | BenC, thank you | 05:24 |
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| xhaker | argh :/ | 06:02 |
| xhaker | BenC, blacklisted ide-generic both on hotplug/blacklist.d and on modprode.d/blacklist | 06:03 |
| xhaker | still the same | 06:03 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | Flight CD 2 released | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Keybuk at Wed Dec 14 23:49:11 2005 | ||
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| eruin | dri-enabled fglrx doesn't lock my system until i try playing sound.. I wonder how that's related | 09:27 |
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| JaneW | Could those that have their status updates already prepared please send them to me before the meeting so that I can start on the report. Thanks. | 10:08 |
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| lucas | hi | 10:35 |
| zakame | hey lucas :D | 10:36 |
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| dholbach | hellas | 10:59 |
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| dholbach | hey carstenh, how are you? | 11:17 |
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| carstenh | dholbach: hi daniel, fine. i hope you too :) | 11:21 |
| dholbach | yeah, i'm in Trier now ;) | 11:22 |
| carstenh | hmm, i will leave it i a few hours. :/ | 11:23 |
| carstenh | bad timing... | 11:24 |
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| Pupeno | Hello. | 11:33 |
| Pupeno | Is Linux on Dapper compiled for real-time scheduling ? | 11:33 |
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| pitti | mvo: ping | 11:49 |
| mvo | pitti: pong | 11:49 |
| ogra | hmm, extremly strange .... obby did build on first attempt at 5:40 UTC, but gets rebuilt every 2h ??? | 11:54 |
| \sh | ogra: umh?? | 11:55 |
| ogra | according to http://tiber.tauware.de/cgi-bin/buildlogs.cgi | 11:55 |
| \sh | ogra: i don't even see a -changes mail | 11:56 |
| ogra | the first build attempt was ~5:00 UTC and built on all arches | 11:56 |
| ogra | there was none ... | 11:56 |
| ogra | thats the other strange thing | 11:56 |
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| \sh | ogra: there is one | 11:57 |
| \sh | ogra: auto-changes | 11:57 |
| ogra | ah | 11:57 |
| ogra | great | 11:57 |
| ejofee | ok. so this chan is not for support (even with dapper). then there's #ubuntu for general discussion. there's even #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development... then what on earth is #ubuntu-devel for?! :P | 11:58 |
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| ogra | \sh, but it needs NEWing ... pkern puts the version number in the binary name :/ | 11:58 |
| ogra | so i still have to wait with my gobby upload ... | 11:59 |
| siretart | ejofee: for the development of ubuntu, espc. the 'main' section | 11:59 |
| \sh | ogra: and from seeing this http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html obby is in given back state | 11:59 |
| ejofee | siretart: i see. thanks. | 11:59 |
| ogra | \sh, very strange ... since it already built ... something must be broken | 12:00 |
| \sh | ogra: I don't see a successfull build... | 12:00 |
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| \sh | ogra: since 2005-12-20 there is no successful build of obby...all failed and given back | 12:01 |
| ogra | hmm, the buildlog script on tiber doesnt respect given-back ... my fault :/ | 12:02 |
| ogra | so i was right :-D | 12:02 |
| ogra | something was broken :) | 12:02 |
| \sh | ogra: fix it :) | 12:04 |
| siretart | hey, X11R7 now officially released. great! :D | 12:04 |
| ogra | \sh, i will | 12:04 |
| \sh | elmo: please sync songwrite and opencv from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes thx | 12:06 |
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| pitti | why do we have irssi in desktop??? | 12:13 |
| Burglaptop | pitti: because if you bork your xorg.conf, it makes it really nice to be able to log in to #ubuntu and figure out why you borked it | 12:13 |
| pitti | hah, as if any novice could cope with it | 12:13 |
| pitti | well, but I see the point | 12:14 |
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| Burglaptop | pitti: it is of particular security concern? | 12:14 |
| mvo | Burglaptop: is this the "official" reason for it? | 12:14 |
| pitti | Burglaptop: no, I just wondered why dist-upgrade wanted to install it | 12:15 |
| pitti | and it's another > 1MB package on the CD | 12:15 |
| \sh | because irssi is da hit :) | 12:15 |
| Burglaptop | mvo: no, but I it is a good use case | 12:15 |
| pitti | don't waste CD space with such stuff... | 12:15 |
| Burglaptop | mvo: make that, I think it is a good use case | 12:15 |
| mvo | Burglaptop: it's a bit artifical IMHO. I mean, people able to use irssi will have no problem with typing "apt-get install irssi" | 12:16 |
| mvo | so I'm still wondering about it | 12:16 |
| Burglaptop | mvo: possibly true | 12:16 |
| StevenK | You're making assumptions about irssi users. | 12:17 |
| Riddell_ | Amaranth: yes, I have dapper on a powerpc | 12:17 |
| Burglaptop | mvo, pitti I would raise the issue on ubuntu-devel and see what other feedback we could get | 12:17 |
| pitti | that sounds good | 12:17 |
| pitti | maybe we find a small IRC client my mother could actually use :) | 12:17 |
| StevenK | xchat-tiny | 12:18 |
| seb128 | imho irssi should not be on the desktop | 12:18 |
| seb128 | that's duplication | 12:18 |
| mvo | I know that my gf would run away screeming when faced with one of them | 12:18 |
| StevenK | It links with nothing, so it uses nothing. :-P | 12:18 |
| mvo | (text-mode irc client that is :) | 12:18 |
| seb128 | and place on the CD is not cheap :) | 12:18 |
| seb128 | who listed irssi for desktop? | 12:19 |
| mvo | we should check the seeds file | 12:20 |
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| pitti | uh, it's there since ages | 12:21 |
| pitti | bzr annotate: | 12:21 |
| pitti | 1 cjwatso | | 12:21 |
| seb128 | yeah, was going to say that | 12:21 |
| seb128 | pitti: speaking of IRC, dunno if you read on -desktop but xchat-gnome can be considered for promotion now :) | 12:22 |
| seb128 | (no hurry can wait next year) | 12:22 |
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| pitti | seb128: I read it, yes | 12:22 |
| pitti | seb128: can you have separate windows now? | 12:22 |
| ogra | eek, we really go for xchat-gnome ? | 12:22 |
| seb128 | k, because you didn't reply to anything I said this morning :) | 12:22 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, sorry, I booted a lot for kernel security update testing | 12:23 |
| seb128 | ogra: mdz said we want to consider yet, so we switch | 12:23 |
| ogra | *shudder* | 12:23 |
| seb128 | pitti: np, do you feel better today? :) | 12:23 |
| seb128 | s/yet/it/ | 12:23 |
| seb128 | pitti: no | 12:23 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, considerably, thanks :) | 12:23 |
| seb128 | (no separate windows) | 12:23 |
| pitti | seb128: that sucks | 12:23 |
| seb128 | but I've filled it upstream | 12:23 |
| seb128 | I've filled the chan list position, it got rejected | 12:24 |
| ogra | and no possibility to change the layout, enable longer scrollbacks or sane topic handling either i guess | 12:24 |
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| seb128 | saying that the sort of settings that clutter the UI and is not useful, you get used to the position quickly (which I agree with) | 12:24 |
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| seb128 | the use list is a button now | 12:24 |
| seb128 | s/use/user | 12:24 |
| seb128 | away is set by dbus with gnome-screensaver by example, it uses libnotify, etc ... :) | 12:25 |
| mvo|xchat-gnome | I'm not sure a button scales | 12:25 |
| seb128 | mvo|xchat-gnome: why? | 12:25 |
| seb128 | longer scrollback? it uses the same setting as xchat | 12:25 |
| mvo|xchat-gnome | the list is _huge_ | 12:25 |
| ogra | yes, it has some very good fetures, but they dont weight out the drawbacks imho | 12:25 |
| seb128 | what do you call "sane topic"? | 12:25 |
| ogra | seb128, i can adjust it in xchat | 12:25 |
| seb128 | mvo|xchat-gnome: good reason to have a drop-down stuff and not it open all the time | 12:26 |
| ogra | i have it set to 1000 lines, so i can read the last night without having logging on | 12:26 |
| seb128 | ogra: alt-t, or use the menu | 12:26 |
| seb128 | for the topic | 12:26 |
| mvo|xchat-gnome | it is certainly a lot better than last time I looked | 12:26 |
| seb128 | xchat-gnome uses the same buffer as xchat | 12:27 |
| mvo|xchat-gnome | don't get me wrong, I'm not against it, I'm just not sure that the button is the right control for this | 12:27 |
| seb128 | there is no UI setting for it that's all | 12:27 |
| seb128 | mvo|xchat-gnome: suggestions are welcome :) | 12:27 |
| mvo|xchat-gnome | this is really a tricky question, I mean, I got very used to the old ui of xchat so ... | 12:27 |
| ogra | seb128, i cant stand that i cant scroll through it quickly and that it either only shows the beginning of the topic or eats a third of the display pace | 12:27 |
| seb128 | I don't say it's very good or whatever, but there is place for a lot of nice stuff and should be easier to get right than xchat | 12:27 |
| ogra | *space | 12:28 |
| dholbach | ogra: what eats a third of the space? | 12:28 |
| seb128 | mvo|xchat-gnome: yeah, change is weird ... doesn't mean it's not good. It take me some days to be used to changes from tabs, but now I like it | 12:28 |
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| seb128 | ogra: how can't you scroll quickly? | 12:29 |
| ogra | the topic handling is completely wrong imho, but thats minor and i could live with it, not being able to flip the layout and the scrollback being not adjustable will kepp me at xchat | 12:29 |
| ogra | seb128, through the topic | 12:29 |
| seb128 | grrrr | 12:29 |
| seb128 | do you actually read what I said? | 12:29 |
| seb128 | the buffer is the same as xchat | 12:29 |
| ogra | seb128, yes | 12:29 |
| seb128 | there is just no UI atm | 12:29 |
| seb128 | if you have it set it'll stay the same | 12:29 |
| mvo|xchat-gnome | ok, I buy it. where can I get a breezy backport for my laptop :P ? | 12:30 |
| ogra | seb128, as i aid, the topic handling is something i could bear .. | 12:30 |
| seb128 | mvo|xchat-gnome: universe has it for some time :) | 12:30 |
| dholbach | mvo|xchat-gnome: ask on ubuntu-backports@ - they will have to backport libsexy too | 12:30 |
| ogra | but the other two issues make it unusable for me, its my major working tool... | 12:30 |
| seb128 | ogra: I'm not speaking about topic but number of lines at screen | 12:31 |
| ogra | ah, scrollback ...? | 12:31 |
| seb128 | that's what I call buffer | 12:31 |
| ogra | ok, one issue solved | 12:31 |
| seb128 | topic is topic | 12:31 |
| seb128 | the user list position is just the kind of stuff you find weird for a day | 12:31 |
| ogra | so now i need a gconf key to flip the layout and i'll be half way happy :) | 12:31 |
| seb128 | and get used to pretty quickly | 12:31 |
| ogra | i just want it on the right side, its totally distrating on the left, idont care about the design or that the channel win is above it etc... | 12:32 |
| ogra | a gconf keya to be able to flip userlist/chatwindow would suffice ... | 12:33 |
| ogra | i tested longer than a day | 12:33 |
| seb128 | it'll not change | 12:35 |
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| seb128 | it has been rejected by upstream | 12:35 |
| ogra | sad, so i'll stay with xchat ... | 12:35 |
| seb128 | stay with whatever you want | 12:35 |
| seb128 | we will switch it for desktop anyway :) | 12:35 |
| ogra | sure ... i wont be abe to do anything about it ... | 12:35 |
| Burglaptop | seb128: does xchat-gnome need to conflict with xchat? | 12:35 |
| seb128 | but you will drop a lot of cool stuff for a left/right position ... | 12:36 |
| seb128 | Burglaptop: it's fixed since 0.8, need to update xchat | 12:36 |
| ogra | but as i said, its one of my major working tools, so i want it not to annoy me ... i use it >10h a day ... | 12:36 |
| seb128 | for next upload | 12:36 |
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| seb128 | ogra: that's just weird that you can't focus on a text area that takes most of the screen | 12:37 |
| seb128 | or can't get used to a list to left or right | 12:37 |
| seb128 | you don't have one once of flexibility, a shame for you :) | 12:37 |
| Burglaptop | seb128: I suspect that once they don't conflict and people can use them side by side, there might be more converts | 12:37 |
| ogra | seb128, the big white bar is distracting on the left | 12:37 |
| ogra | seb128, yes, i'm a bonehead :) | 12:38 |
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| ogra | seb128, look at pitti, he has probs if he doesnt have his perfect screen layout ... thats how we germans are :P | 12:39 |
| pitti | well, not being able to read two channels at once is nowhere near 'perfect layout' :) | 12:40 |
| pitti | the xchat layout sucks as well, but at least I can have two channels side by side | 12:40 |
| seb128 | I agree that's a valid usecase | 12:40 |
| seb128 | and they have not rejected the bug | 12:40 |
| pitti | so let's hope ;) | 12:40 |
| dholbach | strange, why don't replies to malone mails show up on the bug? hmhmhm | 12:41 |
| seb128 | the "let's have an option to move every UI part to left/right" is not worth an option | 12:41 |
| ogra | another thing is that i like to know how many people are in a channel, there seems to be no option to show that in the status bar ... | 12:41 |
| seb128 | dholbach: because malone sucks still? :p | 12:41 |
| dholbach | hmhmrmhrmhrmhrmh | 12:41 |
| seb128 | like it was something useful | 12:41 |
| seb128 | who cares if there is 80 or 90 users in the chan? | 12:42 |
| seb128 | and that's probably trivial to write a plugin for it | 12:42 |
| ogra | seb128, for the channels i maintain it is something useful ... and for a statistic freak like me anyway :P | 12:42 |
| seb128 | write a plugin | 12:42 |
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| seb128 | a few lines of python should do the trick | 12:42 |
| ogra | that would imply i use the program :) | 12:42 |
| seb128 | stop complaining for complaining | 12:43 |
| seb128 | I'm happy to forward valid griefs like pitti's one upstream, but that is crap | 12:43 |
| seb128 | if you need to special stat stuff just do a plugin or use another software | 12:43 |
| seb128 | that's not something desktop users will look for to start | 12:43 |
| ogra | i agree that i'm not the typical desktop user sitting in front of a chat window more than 10h a day ... | 12:44 |
| Burglaptop | pitti: you made LWN | 12:45 |
| pitti | oh? | 12:46 |
| Burglaptop | Martin Pitt looks at locales restructuring and why a dist-upgrade might break. He also explains why this isn't a bug. | 12:46 |
| ogra | heh | 12:46 |
| mvo | they like our mails to u-d-a :) | 12:46 |
| slomo_ | elmo: please sync service-discovery-applet from debian... ubuntu changes can be dropped | 12:46 |
| pitti | doesn't lwn have anything more interesting to report than transitions in development releases? | 12:46 |
| ogra | mvo, you should have announced the dbus transition, so you'd be on there as well :) | 12:47 |
| pitti | Burglaptop: I didn't explain why it isn't a bug; I explained why I won't fix it | 12:47 |
| Burglaptop | pitti: lwn tries to report just about everything they can | 12:47 |
| pitti | of course it is a bug, but it's not worth fixing it | 12:47 |
| mvo | ogra: haha, I should fish a bit for fame you mean? | 12:47 |
| ogra | it only occurs between two flight CDs | 12:47 |
| mvo | I suppose it's the kind of news that is easy enough to get and add | 12:47 |
| ogra | mvo, yeah ... | 12:47 |
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| ogra | lol | 12:48 |
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| \sh | mvo: do it :) | 12:50 |
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| \sh | elmo: please sync libgettext-ruby , libgtk-trayicon-ruby , libopengl-ruby , ruby-gnome2 from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes thx | 01:05 |
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| fabbione | doko: ping? | 01:55 |
| janimo | who is handling main uploader rights enabling? I have a ticket in rt.canonical since last Wed | 01:55 |
| fabbione | janimo: elmo | 01:56 |
| doko | fabbione: pong | 01:56 |
| fabbione | doko: OOo2 is FTBFS on ppc | 01:56 |
| fabbione | dunno if you noticed | 01:56 |
| doko | fabbione: yes, seen, but I don't understand the reason ... | 01:56 |
| fabbione | neither do i.. i am going to wait an ubuntu2 before trying on sparc | 01:57 |
| fabbione | since i was expecting it this morning :) | 01:57 |
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| HiddenWolf | seb128, lol, who picked those gst-plugin-good/ugly package names? | 02:04 |
| seb128 | upstream | 02:04 |
| HiddenWolf | seb128, will we have an 'ugly; too? ;) | 02:04 |
| seb128 | that's the upstream name for the different tarball for it | 02:05 |
| seb128 | we already have? | 02:05 |
| seb128 | no? | 02:05 |
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| HiddenWolf | seb128, nothing with ugly in the package name according to packages.u.c | 02:07 |
| seb128 | it has not built yet | 02:07 |
| seb128 | I though you were reading -changes from today | 02:07 |
| seb128 | what was the comment about? where did you notice the names? | 02:07 |
| HiddenWolf | hm, I read changes. :) | 02:08 |
| HiddenWolf | ah, yes, sorry | 02:08 |
| seb128 | you asked who picked the ugly package name | 02:08 |
| slomo_ | HiddenWolf: we will get one with an even worse name later... plugins-ugly-multiverse ;) | 02:08 |
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| seb128 | and then you say there is no such package ... | 02:08 |
| HiddenWolf | seb128, I was confused. | 02:08 |
| seb128 | bad is not coming soon | 02:08 |
| slomo_ | HiddenWolf: and plugins-bad are the broken plugins ;) | 02:08 |
| seb128 | that's bugged code | 02:09 |
| HiddenWolf | seb128, it's just the humor of having packages refer to the movie. | 02:09 |
| HiddenWolf | The good, the bad, the ugly | 02:09 |
| Treenaks | HiddenWolf: upstream names, too :) | 02:10 |
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| mvo | anyone else having problems with launchpad.net? or is it just me? | 03:27 |
| dholbach | mvo: problems like what? | 03:29 |
| mvo | dholbach: like not geting anything but a white screen | 03:30 |
| dholbach | hm, looks fine for me | 03:31 |
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| pitti | fabbione: yay, all kernels have built | 03:41 |
| fabbione | pitti: no! really???? | 03:41 |
| pitti | fabbione: erm, why so surprised? | 03:41 |
| mvo | dholbach: works fine now after I restarted ff | 03:41 |
| fabbione | see.. that's why i get to have pre-test kernels :) | 03:41 |
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| mhz | ogra: hi | 03:42 |
| pitti | fabbione: oh, I wasn't surprised *that* they built, just stated that they are ready for release now :) | 03:42 |
| mhz | ogra: i won't be able to on for about 6 or 7 hours today, sorry. | 03:42 |
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| ogra | mhz, no problem ... | 03:43 |
| fabbione | pitti: GO AHEAD! UNLEASH THE BEASTS! MAKE THE WORLD SUFFER IN HORRIBLE PAIN! | 03:43 |
| mjg59 | Riddell: Yo | 03:48 |
| Riddell | mjg59: presumably HAL handles all the tricky hardware stuff and it just needs a fairly simple frontend on top | 03:48 |
| mjg59 | Riddell: Basically, the reason to do it via HAL is because we get (a) a uniform mechanism, and (b) only the foreground user will be able to change the hardware state | 03:49 |
| Riddell | and gnome-power-manager uses this now? | 03:49 |
| BenC | how can I get the automated merge bugs to stop for a particular package? | 03:50 |
| mjg59 | Riddell: g-p-m uses this now, but doesn't get the benefit of (b) until I write the dbus patch | 03:50 |
| fabbione | BenC: close the bug? | 03:50 |
| mjg59 | Basically, you need something on the KDE side that sends a dbus signal requesting a suspend or hibernate | 03:50 |
| BenC | fabbione: but new ones keep getting reopened | 03:51 |
| fabbione | BenC: is that kernel-package? | 03:51 |
| BenC | yeah | 03:51 |
| fabbione | if so just assign it debzilla.. | 03:51 |
| mjg59 | Riddell: Then that needs to tie in to the kcontrol panel where users can choose what happens when the close the lid and so on | 03:51 |
| fabbione | make it owned by nobody :) | 03:51 |
| BenC | ok :) | 03:51 |
| fabbione | and it will stop spamming you | 03:51 |
| mjg59 | Riddell: That's enough for now, but in the long run it should also get information about whether a sleep button exists, whether the hardware supports suspend and so on from HAL as well | 03:52 |
| janimo | mjg59, so this will replace calling pmi actions from gdm? | 03:52 |
| mjg59 | janimo: Yes | 03:52 |
| janimo | cool | 03:52 |
| Riddell | mjg59: doesn't sound too difficult to do, I doubt I have time but I'll try and poke some people in the right direction | 03:53 |
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| mjg59 | Riddell: Rocking | 03:53 |
| janimo | mjg59, does this power manager daemon dep only on hal/dbus or does it grow gnomedeps like vfs and bonobo? | 03:53 |
| janimo | it'd be nice to integrate with xfce too | 03:54 |
| janimo | I see it depends on some gnome stuff but don't know how essential it is | 03:54 |
| ogra | janimo, should be possible to rip out ... | 03:54 |
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| janimo | ogra, I'd like to rip it out cleanly so it's not a fork if possible | 03:55 |
| ogra | janimo, talk to hughsie in #hal :) | 03:55 |
| hno73 | does anyone know if gfxboot will have support for mouse when the user selects a language? | 03:55 |
| ogra | he is upstream | 03:55 |
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| jbailey | Why is my dist-upgrade bringing in irssi? | 03:55 |
| janimo | ogra, thanks noted | 03:55 |
| ogra | jbailey, you removed it ? | 03:55 |
| zul | jbailey: because irssi core dumps and its apart of main i think | 03:55 |
| jbailey | ogra: I have never had it installed. | 03:56 |
| ogra | jbailey, it has been in the desktop seed since ... ever ? | 03:56 |
| jbailey | Weird. | 03:56 |
| Amaranth | hrm, someone said my name, but way past my scrollback | 03:58 |
| sivang | weird. Does anybody know about firefox popup that comes on without any apparent reason and asks to confirm an SSL certificate for *.mozilla.org even when not connecting there? | 03:58 |
| jbailey | ogra: irssi-text is, but not irssi from the looks of it. | 03:58 |
| sivang | when approved, firefox says somethign about connecting to somwehre not remotely related to moz.org | 03:58 |
| Amaranth | sivang: it's probably trying to check for updates | 03:58 |
| zakame | sivang: I've seen that in firefox under windows | 03:59 |
| ogra | jbailey, ah... | 03:59 |
| mjg59 | janimo: The daemon side of things would still be managed by KDE, it would just use HAL to get information about the system | 03:59 |
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| mjg59 | And to do the actual state transitions | 03:59 |
| mjg59 | janimo: Or are you thinking about from an xfce point of view? | 03:59 |
| janimo | mjg59, I am thinking xfce now | 04:01 |
| janimo | and was thinkoing how much of g-p-m uses gnome libs | 04:01 |
| janimo | some of the apps in ubuntu use gnome while they could with a bit of effort get away with plian gtk | 04:01 |
| janimo | but I'll check it out once is working nicely in ubuntu | 04:02 |
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| Riddell | at about announing to u-d-a for lwn fame | 04:09 |
| Riddell | ogra: what was that about announing to u-d-a for lwn fame | 04:09 |
| mjg59 | janimo: The front-end uses gnome libs, but the backend should be fine | 04:09 |
| pappan | how do i get the ubuntu kernel source from my linux machine | 04:09 |
| ogra | Riddell, ubuntu-devel-announce mails are reported on linux weekly news recently :) | 04:09 |
| ogra | so sending something there makes you a celebrity *g* | 04:10 |
| kent_ | pappan, #ubuntu for those questions - and its in the archives. | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 04:12 |
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| Pupeno | What schedule is compiled on Dapper's Linux ? | 04:17 |
| pitti | crimsun_: ping | 04:18 |
| sivang | Amaranth: have you also seen that on your system? | 04:21 |
| Amaranth | sivang: nope | 04:21 |
| zakame | Pupeno: er you mean scheduler? | 04:22 |
| Pupeno | zakame: yes. | 04:22 |
| zakame | Pupeno: hm I see all 4 (or 5) in breezy, I myself am currently using cfq | 04:23 |
| sivang | zakame: let me know if you encounter that on Ubuntu as well | 04:23 |
| zakame | sivang: sure, I'm all yours :) | 04:23 |
| Pupeno | zakame: in breezy ? how ? breezy uses 2.6.12 and the possibility to choose different scheduler was added on 2.6.13, furthermore I believe there are only 3 schedulers, are we talking about different things ? where do you 'see' them ? | 04:24 |
| zakame | sivang: though on windows I encountered that with fx 1.0.2 | 04:24 |
| zakame | Pupeno: err, at `dmesg | pager`? | 04:24 |
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| zakame | Pupeno: I set my preferred scheduler at the bootparams, e.g. `elevator=cfq' | 04:25 |
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| Pupeno | zakame: dmesg | grep 'cfq' shows me nothing, am I missing something ? | 04:25 |
| zakame | Pupeno: grep 'scheduler' | 04:26 |
| Nafallo | grep scheduler /var/log/dmesg | 04:26 |
| sivang | zakame: thx :) | 04:26 |
| Pupeno | Nafallo: nothing either. | 04:26 |
| Pupeno | are you runninig 6.2.12 ? | 04:27 |
| Pupeno | oh, on another box the schedulers appear. | 04:27 |
| zakame | Pupeno: we seem to have noop anticipatory deadline and cfq | 04:27 |
| zakame | Pupeno: 6.2? not yet | 04:27 |
| zakame | 2.6 is | 04:27 |
| Pupeno | er 2.6 I mean. | 04:27 |
| Pupeno | have the schedulers patch been backported to 2.6.12 by Debian/Ubuntu devs ? | 04:28 |
| Amaranth | man, i bet in 6.2 my music still skips when i copy a large file | 04:28 |
| zakame | Amaranth: hrhr | 04:28 |
| Pupeno | which one is the scheduler for low lattency then ? cfq ? | 04:30 |
| zakame | cfq's good for desktops, deadline and noop for dbservers i think | 04:36 |
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| Pupeno | zakame: I need the scheduler that can deliver very low latency (<3ms) for audio. | 04:37 |
| zakame | Pupeno: for that you should also explore realtime-lsm, maybe even jack | 04:38 |
| zakame | schedulers alone won't be a factor | 04:38 |
| Pupeno | zakame: I am working on both of them, but they are complementary. | 04:38 |
| Pupeno | I have seted realtime-lsm before and I have run jackd before, I am only missing a Linux with low latency. | 04:39 |
| Pupeno | Let's see. | 04:39 |
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| zakame | Pupeno: rock on then :) | 04:40 |
| zakame | elmo: hi, please sync gpdf from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes ok. Thanks, and Happy Holidays! :) | 04:44 |
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| psusi | I don't like the io schedulers because they screw up the ordering and lower throughput when I mess around with multiple overlapped O_DIRECT async IO requests to see how fast I can push my drives ;) | 04:47 |
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| frans-th | hwhere is hmb? i need it | 05:06 |
| frans-th | need him | 05:06 |
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| johnl | hi, libsane-extras in dapper universe relies on libsane 1.0.17, but dapper only has libsane 1.0.16 how can that be? | 05:55 |
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| seb128 | johnl: if the package is not modifed sync are done automatically from Debian, maybe the first is unmodified but not the second | 05:56 |
| johnl | ah ic | 05:57 |
| johnl | is that a bug that I need to report then? even though universe isn't supported | 05:57 |
| seb128 | libsane with be updated, there is probably already a bug about that | 05:58 |
| seb128 | there is automatic bugs for packages that need to be synced from Debian | 05:59 |
| johnl | ok. thanks. | 06:00 |
| seb128 | np | 06:00 |
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| aroman | Hi | 06:01 |
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| aroman | I'm trying to install kUbuntu-dapper-flight2... any way to tell it NOT to load firewire modules? | 06:01 |
| aroman | because if it loads firewire, IRQ11 gets disabled for me (toshiba laptop), so I can't use network at all... | 06:02 |
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| aroman | what type of filesystem does initrd.gz use? | 06:27 |
| aroman | :/ | 06:27 |
| aroman | cramfs? it's not ext2 or ext3, since I can't mount it... | 06:27 |
| siretart | aroman: which initrd? the new ones from breezy/dapper created by initramfs? | 06:28 |
| aroman | dapper | 06:28 |
| siretart | aroman: those new style initrd are just compressed cpio archives | 06:28 |
| siretart | extract them with cpio | 06:28 |
| aroman | hmm... so, how would I go about modifying them? | 06:28 |
| siretart | extracting and recreating them | 06:29 |
| aroman | siretart: any special options when I re-create the archive and the .gz? | 06:30 |
| siretart | I think its just a compressed cpio archive, if in doubt, consider looking at the source of initramfs-tools | 06:30 |
| aroman | oy... now that dapper's moving away from hotplug, how can I preven a module from being loaded? | 06:33 |
| siretart | aroman: using the keyword 'blacklist' in /etc/modprobe.d/* | 06:34 |
| siretart | there should be some examples in that dir | 06:34 |
| aroman | ok thank you | 06:34 |
| aroman | um ok... I didn't ask the right question...sorry | 06:35 |
| aroman | I mean, in the initrd.gz root filesystem? | 06:35 |
| aroman | same procedure? because there is no /etc/modprobe.d | 06:35 |
| aroman | hmm... I could just remove the actual modules from /lib/modules... since I don't even use them | 06:38 |
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| siretart | aroman: how can you have no /etc/modprobe.d/*?! | 07:04 |
| siretart | aroman: in the new world oder you rather configure modprobe than the thingy loading the modules (read: udev) | 07:05 |
| siretart | regarding to avoid loading modules | 07:05 |
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| aroman | siretart: look, the initrd.gz contained in the latest netboot.tar.gz has no /etc/modprobe.d/* | 07:16 |
| siretart | aroman: oh, I was rather talking about the installed system, not inside the initramfs | 07:20 |
| aroman | siretart: well, my problem is that I don't get network unless I disable firewire (if firewire gets loaded, I get IRQ 11 getting disabled) | 07:21 |
| aroman | and if I don't get network, I can't install :( | 07:21 |
| aroman | and my initrd.gz doesn't work :( my laptop just hangs... | 07:22 |
| siretart | ah, I see | 07:26 |
| siretart | so, you need a special initramfs anyway. I think it would be indeed most practicable to just delete the firefire modules from the initramfs | 07:26 |
| aroman | ok I've looked at initramfs_tools source and got the exact command that creates the initrd.gz | 07:28 |
| aroman | I get a few of these kind of errors though: | 07:29 |
| aroman | cpio: ./sbin/blockdev: No such file or directory | 07:29 |
| aroman | and /sbin/blockdev is an invalid symlink to /bin/busybox | 07:29 |
| aroman | as are all the others | 07:29 |
| aroman | harmless? | 07:29 |
| siretart | sorry, I'm not that familar with initramfs, too | 07:30 |
| aroman | and why the heck is my intrd coming up as 283MB?! :S | 07:42 |
| aroman | when du -hs prints 15MB for the uncompressed stuff? :/ | 07:42 |
| aroman | ok... got it working | 07:51 |
| aroman | goodie.... it doesn't recognize my network card :( | 07:51 |
| aroman | curses | 07:51 |
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| thesaltydog | is malone now for all bugs, or still just for universe? | 08:00 |
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| Am|NickTaken | universe | 08:02 |
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| mjg59 | Is anyone maintaining network-manager nowadays? | 08:59 |
| Burgwork | mjg59, network magic is keybuks domain, but I don't know if he is doing anything with it | 09:02 |
| Burgwork | thesaltydog, eventually everything will be in malone | 09:05 |
| seb128 | Nafallo has updated nm to 0.5.1-0ubuntu5 yesterday | 09:06 |
| mjg59 | seb128: Ah, yes | 09:07 |
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| _xhaker | hello all :) | 09:09 |
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| Burgwork | mjg59, you want http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1403 | 09:11 |
| xhaker | BenC, sorry for misreporting that blacklisting ide-generic didn't make this able to detect my dvd drive.. it does.. just forgot to update-initramfs, i have to modprobe ide-disk everytime i boot tho | 09:12 |
| BenC | ok, that's all a udev issue | 09:13 |
| xhaker | true | 09:13 |
| xhaker | that's why i messed up earlier.. blacklisting is kinda different | 09:14 |
| mjg59 | Burgwork: I've got it | 09:14 |
| mjg59 | That was its behaviour in breezy, though - I'm not sure why it would have changed in dapper | 09:15 |
| Burgwork | mjg59, "that was its behaviour" - you mean pressing the button brought up the logout dialog? | 09:17 |
| mjg59 | No | 09:18 |
| mjg59 | Shutting down the machine | 09:18 |
| mjg59 | It's never done anything else | 09:18 |
| Burgwork | that is bug, IMHO | 09:19 |
| mjg59 | It's something that gets fixed with the move to the new configuration stuff, so I'm fairly unconcerned righ tnow | 09:19 |
| Burgwork | ah, ok | 09:20 |
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| thesaltydog | Burgwork, does it mean that main bugs are still in bugzilla at the moment? | 09:26 |
| mjg59 | pitti: What's the best way to ship a small suid binary with dbus? | 09:29 |
| pitti | mjg59: 'way' -> packaging? | 09:29 |
| mjg59 | pitti: Yes | 09:30 |
| thesaltydog | is italian firefox localization in dapper a known bug? It won't upgrade from breezy.. | 09:30 |
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| mjg59 | pitti: is messagebus an allocated user, or a dynamic one? | 09:30 |
| pitti | mjg59: it's a system user (> 100) | 09:31 |
| pitti | mjg59: i. e. ship with 0755, chmod in postinst | 09:31 |
| mjg59 | pitti: Ok | 09:31 |
| pitti | mjg59: after the adduser | 09:31 |
| mjg59 | pitti: And chown? | 09:31 |
| pitti | yes, of course | 09:31 |
| mjg59 | No problem | 09:31 |
| pitti | 4754, I assume? | 09:31 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 09:31 |
| Burgwork | thesaltydog, yes | 09:32 |
| Burgwork | thesaltydog, to the bugzilla question | 09:33 |
| pitti | mjg59: oh, are you going to upload dbus soon? | 09:33 |
| thesaltydog | ok.. thanks. | 09:33 |
| pitti | mjg59: if so, could you please do me a favor? | 09:33 |
| mjg59 | pitti: Wasn't planning on it - I was going to send a diff to mvo | 09:33 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 09:33 |
| pitti | I'd like to have a small improvement of the dbus-1-utils package description | 09:34 |
| mjg59 | But I guess I could later on - what do you want doing? | 09:34 |
| mjg59 | Ah, ok | 09:34 |
| pitti | but it's not worth a separate upload | 09:34 |
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| seb128 | if somebody does an upload, today's fix by mvo is wrong | 09:35 |
| mjg59 | pitti: What I've done for now is basically to change the at_console policy to check for /var/foo/bar/username:vt | 09:35 |
| mjg59 | pitti: Then I'll probably just add a small pam module (or alternatively hack pam_console) to create that | 09:36 |
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| crimsun_ | pitti: pong, just got in and read e-mail. Checking. | 10:26 |
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| pitti | hi daniels | 10:29 |
| daniels | good morning captain | 10:30 |
| === mvo waves to daniels | ||
| daniels | morning all | 10:31 |
| dholbach | hellas daniels :) | 10:31 |
| seb128 | hi daniels | 10:31 |
| dholbach | hi seb128 :) | 10:32 |
| seb128 | hey dholbach | 10:32 |
| Pygi | hello all ;) | 10:34 |
| pitti | hi Pygi | 10:34 |
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| pitti | hi lamont__ | 10:35 |
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| Pygi | ho, BenC, fixed any new bugs lately? ;) | 10:47 |
| BenC | yeah, but it never seems like there's any less bugs than when I started :) | 10:47 |
| Pygi | BenC: well, I suppose you got used to it after all that time smashing bugs ;) | 10:48 |
| Pygi | As what is most bad, is if you create a patch for the bug which then produces two or three new bugs ;) | 10:48 |
| Pygi | now, that's bad ;) | 10:48 |
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| TheMuso | Merry Christmas to you. Hope you have an enjoyable Christmas where ever | 10:58 |
| dholbach | good night everybody | 10:59 |
| dholbach | themuso: you too :) | 10:59 |
| Pygi | night | 11:00 |
| lamont__ | pitti: hi | 11:00 |
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| floam | what the fuck | 11:05 |
| floam | I thought the input garbage was all fixed for RC4 | 11:05 |
| === floam bugs xorg people | ||
| Pygi | floam: please don't use that kind of words in here ;) thank you ;) | 11:06 |
| floam | yeah, I appolgize. I was perturbed for about 15 seconds, since I was expecting it to all magically be fixe | 11:06 |
| floam | fixed | 11:06 |
| daniels | it's supposed to be, but boy am I motivated to fix any potential problems now | 11:06 |
| floam | :) | 11:07 |
| floam | s/app/ap/ | 11:07 |
| seb128 | daniels: like making it fast without the cairo workaround? :) | 11:08 |
| daniels | seb128: we're working on it | 11:09 |
| seb128 | cool | 11:10 |
| mvo | seb128: cairo workaound? | 11:10 |
| daniels | mvo: basically, nautilus backgrounds are screwed | 11:10 |
| floam | the mouse buttons are no longer swapped, but gnome-settings-daemon still freaks out if I'm using evdev | 11:10 |
| daniels | if cairo does the compositing client-side, it's normal speed | 11:10 |
| daniels | if X does it, it's arse-slow, and all done in software | 11:11 |
| seb128 | floam: buttons mouse issue is fixed | 11:11 |
| irvin | hello all | 11:11 |
| floam | seb128: yeah, I notice | 11:11 |
| mvo | daniels: ah, thanks. I remeber now :) | 11:11 |
| floam | I wonder why gsd crashes | 11:11 |
| floam | seems to be klavier | 11:11 |
| seb128 | floam: it's xkeyboard-config bog | 11:12 |
| seb128 | floam: gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd | 11:13 |
| daniels | if klavier crashes, 'tis klavier bug, for sucking at error handling :P | 11:13 |
| floam | I didn't know what it was. It seemed to be in a function with klavier in it's name | 11:13 |
| seb128 | quite true | 11:13 |
| floam | seb128: what will that do? | 11:13 |
| seb128 | print your config | 11:13 |
| seb128 | so you can copy it | 11:13 |
| seb128 | and I can blame xorg :p | 11:14 |
| floam | do you want it? | 11:14 |
| seb128 | yep | 11:14 |
| floam | layouts = [] | 11:14 |
| floam | model = | 11:14 |
| floam | options = [grp_led grp_led:scroll,eurosign eurosign:5,Compose key compose:ralt] | 11:14 |
| floam | overrideSettings = true | 11:14 |
| daniels | so don't have an empty layouts list | 11:14 |
| seb128 | no layouts, hum | 11:14 |
| floam | I didn't empty it | 11:14 |
| seb128 | how did you do this? | 11:14 |
| daniels | or an empty model | 11:14 |
| floam | I didn't empty anything | 11:14 |
| floam | this is all vanilla ubuntu I havn't touched gconf in that area | 11:14 |
| daniels | seb128: so much for blaming xorg, I guess | 11:14 |
| daniels | dude, it is *not* vanilla | 11:14 |
| floam | as in unaltered | 11:15 |
| daniels | i can give you an absolutely ironclad guarantee that we do *not* set up compose:ralt, or grp_led:scroll | 11:15 |
| floam | of course it's dapper and unsafe and etc. | 11:15 |
| daniels | i don't think we set up eurosign:5 either | 11:15 |
| daniels | so you have altered the keyboard preferences | 11:15 |
| floam | daniels: that's just something I did through the GUI | 11:15 |
| floam | I never unset anything | 11:15 |
| seb128 | floam: for sure you touched the keyboard capplet | 11:15 |
| floam | yes | 11:15 |
| daniels | ... | 11:15 |
| seb128 | what layout it selected from it? | 11:15 |
| floam | but that applet shouldn't allow me to totally destroy things, idealy :P | 11:15 |
| seb128 | it doesn't | 11:16 |
| seb128 | I can't delete the unique layout here | 11:16 |
| floam | Keyboard &model: Generic 104-key PC | 11:16 |
| floam | and the layout in the list is U.S. English | 11:16 |
| floam | it has no checkmark next to it in the Default column | 11:16 |
| floam | it's the only one so that shouldn't matter | 11:17 |
| seb128 | hum, right | 11:17 |
| seb128 | options are ok | 11:17 |
| floam | hm | 11:18 |
| floam | I touched everything, now | 11:18 |
| floam | layouts = [us] | 11:18 |
| floam | model = pc105 | 11:18 |
| floam | options = [grp grp:alts_toggle] | 11:18 |
| floam | overrideSettings = true | 11:18 |
| floam | gsd still crashes though | 11:19 |
| daniels | what happens when you do setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout us -option grp:alts_toggle? | 11:19 |
| seb128 | that will work | 11:19 |
| floam | it seems to work | 11:19 |
| seb128 | setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout us -option grp:alts_toggle -print | xkbcomp - :0.0 | 11:20 |
| seb128 | what about that? | 11:20 |
| floam | many warnings | 11:20 |
| seb128 | that's all? | 11:20 |
| floam | yes | 11:20 |
| daniels | if it's about keys not having symbols, that's fine | 11:20 |
| floam | Warning: No symbols defined for <I6F> (keycode 239) | 11:20 |
| seb128 | so it should not crash with that config | 11:20 |
| seb128 | are you sure g-s-d still crash? | 11:20 |
| floam | bunch of that/ | 11:21 |
| floam | s/\//./ | 11:21 |
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| seb128 | daniels: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/5740 is still buggy | 11:23 |
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| daniels | seb128: of course it's still buggy, it has an empty layout list ;) | 11:24 |
| daniels | i tried to comment on it, but malone didn't let me, and then I forgot about it | 11:24 |
| daniels | seb128: but yeah. layout and model are compulsory. only option and variant are optional. | 11:24 |
| daniels | (no pun intended.) | 11:24 |
| seb128 | good point | 11:24 |
| daniels | -> breakfast | 11:25 |
| seb128 | enjoy | 11:25 |
| floam | seb128: how are you so sure the issue is with the keyboard stuff? It works fine if I'm using the old mouse driver | 11:28 |
| floam | it only breaks when I'm using evdev for my mouse | 11:28 |
| floam | (where works fine means gsd doesn't crash, it still sucks because of it using mousedev) | 11:29 |
| seb128 | oh | 11:29 |
| seb128 | nop, I think it's not an xkb issue | 11:29 |
| floam | hmm | 11:29 |
| seb128 | since the setxkbmap works fine | 11:30 |
| seb128 | dunno what this evdev is though | 11:30 |
| floam | seb128: input driver that uses /dev/input/event* | 11:30 |
| floam | it supports many mouse buttons and tiltwheels and all the fancy new stuff | 11:30 |
| floam | among other things, it's also not specific to mice, it's for input devices of all sorts | 11:32 |
| floam | some people use it for their keyboards also | 11:33 |
| seb128 | you could try running g-s-d with XKL_DEBUG=500 set | 11:34 |
| seb128 | and not on what it chockes | 11:34 |
| floam | not on? | 11:34 |
| seb128 | ? | 11:35 |
| seb128 | what on? | 11:35 |
| floam | "and not on what it chokes" | 11:35 |
| floam | I'm not sure what you want me to not do :P | 11:35 |
| seb128 | "note" | 11:35 |
| seb128 | typo | 11:35 |
| floam | oh | 11:35 |
| floam | the last thing before it crashes is: | 11:35 |
| floam | [1135290899,150,xklavier.c:_XklGetAppState/] Appwin 280001a, 'floam@amnesiac: ~' has the group 0, indicators 0 | 11:35 |
| floam | [1135290899,160,xklavier.c:_XklLoadWindowTree/] initial _xklCurClient: 280001a, 'floam@amnesiac: ~' with state 0/0 | 11:35 |
| floam | which doesn't seem special | 11:36 |
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| floam | The error was 'BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)'. | 11:36 |
| floam | (Details: serial 1009 error_code 2 request_code 116 minor_code 0) | 11:36 |
| seb128 | ah | 11:36 |
| seb128 | that is an xorg bug somewhere probably | 11:36 |
| lifeless | meh | 11:38 |
| lifeless | seb128: have upstream gone in sane ? | 11:38 |
| lifeless | This message cannot be sent because the account you chose to send with is not enabled | 11:38 |
| floam | and: lavier.c:XklStartListen/] The backend does not require manual layout management - but it is provided by the application | 11:38 |
| lifeless | ^ evolution bitching when I try to send from robertc@squid-cache.org | 11:38 |
| seb128 | lifeless: activate the account, I don't really get why they did that | 11:38 |
| lifeless | seb128: but it cannot 'recieve' mail at all, ever | 11:39 |
| seb128 | yeah, select "none" as account type | 11:39 |
| lifeless | ok | 11:39 |
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| lifeless | seb128: thanks | 11:41 |
| seb128 | np | 11:41 |
| lifeless | seb128: they must have a reason. I'd *love* a direct way to say 'I can send as FOO, but use my normal account details for everything else with the possible exception of gpg settings' | 11:42 |
| seb128 | yeah, multiple email for one one reception account would be nice | 11:43 |
| lifeless | I'd also like a way to say 'receieve mai from this source, but it has no outbound details' | 11:43 |
| seb128 | I've one IMAP server configured and a bunch of dummy accounts for that | 11:43 |
| lifeless | yeah | 11:43 |
| lifeless | me too, its frustrating | 11:43 |
| Burglaptop | lifeless, seb128: are either of you bugged by the fact that evo forwards as an attachment? | 11:46 |
| seb128 | I almost never forward stuff so no | 11:47 |
| Burglaptop | are there any other mail clients out there that do that? | 11:47 |
| HrdwrBoB | er | 11:47 |
| HrdwrBoB | by default it does | 11:47 |
| HrdwrBoB | you can forward as whatever you like | 11:47 |
| HrdwrBoB | er... or at least in a previous version you could | 11:48 |
| Burglaptop | HrdwrBoB: a) I think it is a stupid default b) there is no way to set it globally (ie, I always want to forward as A or B) | 11:48 |
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| HrdwrBoB | I agree | 11:48 |
| HrdwrBoB | though people constantly piss me off by forwarding in outlook which eats the headers | 11:48 |
| HrdwrBoB | and expect me to be able to debug their email problems with message content | 11:49 |
| Burglaptop | it is interesting how bad outlook is a client | 11:49 |
| Lathiat | HrdwrBoB: i also love it when it doesnt send the email | 11:49 |
| Lathiat | HrdwrBoB: like you forward a message adn its From: <blah> with no email address | 11:49 |
| Burglaptop | there is a mailing list I follow that has a lot of windows users on it. Outlook breaks the threads constantly | 11:49 |
| Lathiat | Burglaptop: yeh i hate that | 11:49 |
| Burglaptop | the archives are also a total mess, because of the thread breaking | 11:50 |
| Burglaptop | hmm, http://www.koffice.org/competition/guiKOffice2.php | 11:50 |
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| Burglaptop | we need an ubuntu-devel-offtopic | 11:52 |
| irvin | hello all | 11:53 |
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| ogra | thats why we have ubuntu-devel-announce ... | 11:53 |
| irvin | are the scripts used in packages.ubuntu.com available online? | 11:53 |
| ogra | so all real important stuff can gi there | 11:53 |
| Burglaptop | ogra: no a channel, not a mailing list | 11:54 |
| ogra | irvin, mail the maintainer of p.u.c | 11:54 |
| ogra | Burglaptop, ah, yes | 11:54 |
| ogra | but we're all preparing for holiday anyway ... | 11:54 |
| irvin | thanks ogra, guess i'll have to wait for the reply | 11:54 |
| Burglaptop | irvin: p.u.c and p.d.o are maintained by the same person | 11:55 |
| irvin | i see | 11:55 |
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