[12:02] jbailey: no, but there is a package on the website [12:02] slomo, dunno :) [12:02] seb128: Any chance of me batting my eyelashes at you sweetly to consider it for desktop? [12:03] jbailey: it was on my list of cool stuff, I'll make sure we have it for dapper [12:03] Cool. I'm just looking at a new swfdec right now. [12:03] I dropped it somewhere before 5.10 [12:03] Convincing it that it wants to compile. [12:03] k [12:03] oooh, swfdec. [12:03] But if the README and the Changelog are any indication, it looks like a far better bet. [12:03] seb128, you got my full support there ... [12:04] ogra: Careful. He'll assign all the bugs to you. [12:04] I have the ~/tmp/badger.swf to try it on for amd64 ;-) [12:04] jbailey, i'll happily take them ... i can be a hard bone in bugzilla :) === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-067-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] hehe valandil ;) [12:08] seb128, btw federico is working on modifying nautilus-share not to use dbus [12:08] What's wrong with dbus? [12:08] he is working in collaboration with jeremy to add support in samba itself for this feature [12:09] jbailey, nothing , but i think this could be done with samba's IPC [12:09] i used dbus, because i wanted to work with a vanilla samba [12:11] sebest_: did you get a query from me? [12:11] sebest_: what feature use dbus? [12:12] slomo: a query? [12:12] seb128: the nautilus-extension talks with a deamon using dbus [12:13] sebest_: ok, so you got none? weird... [12:13] the deamon modifies a file that is included by samba [12:16] sebest_: anyway... for the nautilus-share package... copyright is definitely too small (need to add license, copyright holders, etc), cdbs and libxml-parser-perl are missing as a build-dependency, add ${misc:Depends} to the Depends of the package and you should make it a non-native package :) other than that it seems to be fine to me but i haven't tested it yet, only built it [12:17] slomo: what is the difference between a native and a non-native package? [12:19] sebest_: a non-native one has a orig.tar.gz (i.e. the upstream tarball) and a diff.gz adding the debian specific changes... a native one consists of only a tar.gz with everything in there, including debian specific changes [12:20] slomo: ok [12:21] slomo: i will implement your advices tomorow [12:23] sebest_: thanks, just ping me when you're done... and consider mailing keyring@tiber.tauware.de with your gpg key and asking for a revu login :) ( http://revu.tauware.de/ ) === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryanpg [n=ryanpg@71.194.38.156] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] slomo: no problem :) [12:28] sebest_: btw, i'll most probably find some time around christmas to work on s-d-a for the new plugin system :) and it's now in debian since some minutes [12:28] slomo: me too, after the snowboard sessions ;) [12:29] i'll have to port it to the new notification api [12:30] sebest_: that too... maybe i find some time for it earlier... where are you snowboarding? :) [12:31] i'll go to "la plagne" [12:31] and to "val thorens" in march === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] hi Pygi :-)) [12:40] hi hi [12:41] :) [12:42] heh, I wanted to ask why all the smilyes but that's offtopic ;) === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-124-75.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rtcm [n=jman@81.84.151.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] mdke: I've not done anything with the docs today === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] Riddell, ah k === ryanpg [n=ryanpg@71.194.38.156] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] daniels, hi and congrats on xorg 7.0 [12:55] daniels, with the most recent xorg stuff for dapper, subpixel aa appears to be broken with EXA http://ruinaudio.com/files/xaa-exa.png [12:58] anyone installed dapper on vmware? (for me /dev/sda is not created on first boot after installation completed) [12:59] ryanpg: the fonts look the same to me on my LCD [01:01] rtcm, you mean in my screenshot? or are you saying "works for me"? [01:02] in the screenshot the fonts on the left (with EXA) are greyscale, the fonts on the left (XAA) are subpixel [01:02] ryanpg, thats more likely a fontconfig prob than a X prob ... [01:03] ogra, but fontconfig doesn't change [01:03] if I simply comment out the EXA line in xorg.conf fonts work again === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-078-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] gn8 everybody [01:04] ryanpg, exactly, fontconfig wasnt updated yet :) [01:04] night slomo [01:04] ogra, well though I don't think you're right it's a good enough guess for me :P [01:08] someone in #xorg pointed out the toolbar is subpixel aa'd up to "Tools" [01:08] on the left half of the screenshot, Search is subpixel AA while Tools is greyscale... how weird eh? === ryanpg [n=ryanpg@71.194.38.156] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] here's a better shot of what's going on http://ruinaudio.com/files/exa-subpixel-not.png === nix4me [n=nix4me@49.104.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] ryanpg: compare the E in edit to the S in search, then look at the T in Tools and D in Documents [01:30] jdub, yes but what am I looking for? [01:30] ryanpg: you're basing your 'not subpixel' analysis on the prevalence of non-vertical/non-horizontal lines [01:30] no look closer [01:30] compare the e in search to the e in documents for example [01:31] they look identical here [01:32] what? [01:32] your cited example [01:32] I don't think you guys are looking close enough... I'll zoom in more [01:33] it's abundantly clear to me somehow [01:35] http://ruinaudio.com/files/big-exa-subpixel-not.png [01:35] regardless, this might not be the most useful place to raise your concerns [01:35] I dunno, I though daniels would like to know... anyway I'm in the process of filing a bug [01:36] but you can see now yes? [01:36] I did not think X had anything to do with it. === ryanpg hopes hes not going insane [01:36] it's about EXA vs XAA, xaa renders subpixel aa fine, exa has the bug [01:37] exa is very much a "join the queue of bug reporters upstream" thing atm === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:44] well a bug has been filed === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco fires up metallica for the day ahead === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable084.72-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] sebest_, there was a thread about this on the ubuntu-devel list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-December/013605.html === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-24-1-248-232.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psyke [n=psy@83.141.127.50] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:29] E: /var/cache/apt/archives/locales_2.3.7-1_all.deb: prver skrive over /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_AU, som ogs finnes i pakken language-pack-en-base [03:40] Riddell: You said you had kubuntu dapper working on a ppc, right? === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217da6aab.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:42] Is updating x going to bork right now? [03:42] on dapper === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] I think he went to find out. === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aTypical [n=aTypical@pdpc/supporter/active/aTypical] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aTypical [n=aTypical@pdpc/supporter/active/aTypical] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-24-1-248-232.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:49] BenC, if you're there.. somehow vga=*** works on normal boot, but not on recovery boot (single) [04:50] that's probably because vesafb isn't being loaded by usplash on recovery boot [04:50] modprobe vesafb === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:50] BenC, blind? [04:51] the screen is blank [04:51] i can type tho.. but cannot see what [04:52] no idea what that is [04:52] BenC, me neither, pretty confusing [04:53] well, one thing is good, using the normal fb works great on my laptop without loosing lines === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@67.174.172.169] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:07] BenC, sorry to bother you again.. noticed an error on my boot.. the first thing that's outputed to the screen [05:07] is this: error ports already open /dev/hdc [05:08] might have something to do with my cdrom drive not working === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] grumble. [05:21] ECHAN [05:22] xhaker: it's an ide-generic load issue, there's already a bug on udev for it [05:23] xhaker: you can blacklist ide-generic to fix it === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:24] BenC, thank you === _Firetech [n=Jocke@h78n2fls311o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-71-241-137-209.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@phantom.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:02] argh :/ [06:03] BenC, blacklisted ide-generic both on hotplug/blacklist.d and on modprode.d/blacklist [06:03] still the same === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | Flight CD 2 released === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Keybuk at Wed Dec 14 23:49:11 2005 === eruin [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] dri-enabled fglrx doesn't lock my system until i try playing sound.. I wonder how that's related === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuhl [n=tuhl@p5498D893.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] Could those that have their status updates already prepared please send them to me before the meeting so that I can start on the report. Thanks. === carlos [n=carlos@23.Red-83-55-110.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glyph [n=glyph@c-24-147-122-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@alabama.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] hi [10:36] hey lucas :D === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-205-157.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [n=martin@p54B390B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@p54A65E58.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] hellas === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh [n=carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] hey carstenh, how are you? === marilize_ [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuhl [n=tuhl@p5498D893.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:21] dholbach: hi daniel, fine. i hope you too :) [11:22] yeah, i'm in Trier now ;) [11:23] hmm, i will leave it i a few hours. :/ [11:24] bad timing... === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pupeno [n=pupeno@host68.201-252-13.telecom.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] Hello. [11:33] Is Linux on Dapper compiled for real-time scheduling ? === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ctd [n=ctd@moan.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] mvo: ping [11:49] pitti: pong [11:54] hmm, extremly strange .... obby did build on first attempt at 5:40 UTC, but gets rebuilt every 2h ??? [11:55] <\sh> ogra: umh?? [11:55] according to http://tiber.tauware.de/cgi-bin/buildlogs.cgi [11:56] <\sh> ogra: i don't even see a -changes mail [11:56] the first build attempt was ~5:00 UTC and built on all arches [11:56] there was none ... [11:56] thats the other strange thing === ejofee [n=ejofee@195-245-89-185.dtcom.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] <\sh> ogra: there is one [11:57] <\sh> ogra: auto-changes [11:57] ah [11:57] great [11:58] ok. so this chan is not for support (even with dapper). then there's #ubuntu for general discussion. there's even #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development... then what on earth is #ubuntu-devel for?! :P === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] \sh, but it needs NEWing ... pkern puts the version number in the binary name :/ [11:59] so i still have to wait with my gobby upload ... [11:59] ejofee: for the development of ubuntu, espc. the 'main' section [11:59] <\sh> ogra: and from seeing this http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html obby is in given back state [11:59] siretart: i see. thanks. [12:00] \sh, very strange ... since it already built ... something must be broken [12:00] <\sh> ogra: I don't see a successfull build... === ejofee [n=ejofee@195-245-89-185.dtcom.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel ["leaving"] === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] <\sh> ogra: since 2005-12-20 there is no successful build of obby...all failed and given back [12:02] hmm, the buildlog script on tiber doesnt respect given-back ... my fault :/ [12:02] so i was right :-D [12:02] something was broken :) [12:04] <\sh> ogra: fix it :) [12:04] hey, X11R7 now officially released. great! :D [12:04] \sh, i will [12:06] <\sh> elmo: please sync songwrite and opencv from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes thx === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217da6aab.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-68-238-172-74.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdthood [n=jdthood@x078.decis.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] why do we have irssi in desktop??? [12:13] pitti: because if you bork your xorg.conf, it makes it really nice to be able to log in to #ubuntu and figure out why you borked it [12:13] hah, as if any novice could cope with it [12:14] well, but I see the point === Danten [n=danten@h29n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-devel [12:14] pitti: it is of particular security concern? [12:14] Burglaptop: is this the "official" reason for it? [12:15] Burglaptop: no, I just wondered why dist-upgrade wanted to install it [12:15] and it's another > 1MB package on the CD [12:15] <\sh> because irssi is da hit :) [12:15] mvo: no, but I it is a good use case [12:15] don't waste CD space with such stuff... [12:15] mvo: make that, I think it is a good use case [12:16] Burglaptop: it's a bit artifical IMHO. I mean, people able to use irssi will have no problem with typing "apt-get install irssi" [12:16] so I'm still wondering about it [12:16] mvo: possibly true [12:17] You're making assumptions about irssi users. [12:17] Amaranth: yes, I have dapper on a powerpc [12:17] mvo, pitti I would raise the issue on ubuntu-devel and see what other feedback we could get [12:17] that sounds good [12:17] maybe we find a small IRC client my mother could actually use :) [12:18] xchat-tiny [12:18] imho irssi should not be on the desktop [12:18] that's duplication [12:18] I know that my gf would run away screeming when faced with one of them [12:18] It links with nothing, so it uses nothing. :-P [12:18] (text-mode irc client that is :) [12:18] and place on the CD is not cheap :) [12:19] who listed irssi for desktop? [12:20] we should check the seeds file === pitti checks === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] uh, it's there since ages [12:21] bzr annotate: [12:21] 1 cjwatso | [12:21] yeah, was going to say that [12:22] pitti: speaking of IRC, dunno if you read on -desktop but xchat-gnome can be considered for promotion now :) [12:22] (no hurry can wait next year) === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] seb128: I read it, yes [12:22] seb128: can you have separate windows now? [12:22] eek, we really go for xchat-gnome ? [12:22] k, because you didn't reply to anything I said this morning :) [12:23] seb128: yes, sorry, I booted a lot for kernel security update testing [12:23] ogra: mdz said we want to consider yet, so we switch [12:23] *shudder* [12:23] pitti: np, do you feel better today? :) [12:23] s/yet/it/ [12:23] pitti: no [12:23] seb128: yes, considerably, thanks :) [12:23] (no separate windows) [12:23] seb128: that sucks [12:23] but I've filled it upstream [12:24] I've filled the chan list position, it got rejected [12:24] and no possibility to change the layout, enable longer scrollbacks or sane topic handling either i guess === _mvo_ [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] saying that the sort of settings that clutter the UI and is not useful, you get used to the position quickly (which I agree with) === _mvo_ is now known as mvo|xchat-gnome [12:24] the use list is a button now [12:24] s/use/user [12:25] away is set by dbus with gnome-screensaver by example, it uses libnotify, etc ... :) [12:25] I'm not sure a button scales [12:25] mvo|xchat-gnome: why? [12:25] longer scrollback? it uses the same setting as xchat [12:25] the list is _huge_ [12:25] yes, it has some very good fetures, but they dont weight out the drawbacks imho [12:25] what do you call "sane topic"? [12:25] seb128, i can adjust it in xchat [12:26] mvo|xchat-gnome: good reason to have a drop-down stuff and not it open all the time [12:26] i have it set to 1000 lines, so i can read the last night without having logging on [12:26] ogra: alt-t, or use the menu [12:26] for the topic [12:26] it is certainly a lot better than last time I looked [12:27] xchat-gnome uses the same buffer as xchat [12:27] don't get me wrong, I'm not against it, I'm just not sure that the button is the right control for this [12:27] there is no UI setting for it that's all [12:27] mvo|xchat-gnome: suggestions are welcome :) [12:27] this is really a tricky question, I mean, I got very used to the old ui of xchat so ... [12:27] seb128, i cant stand that i cant scroll through it quickly and that it either only shows the beginning of the topic or eats a third of the display pace [12:27] I don't say it's very good or whatever, but there is place for a lot of nice stuff and should be easier to get right than xchat [12:28] *space [12:28] ogra: what eats a third of the space? [12:28] mvo|xchat-gnome: yeah, change is weird ... doesn't mean it's not good. It take me some days to be used to changes from tabs, but now I like it === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A610CE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] ogra: how can't you scroll quickly? [12:29] the topic handling is completely wrong imho, but thats minor and i could live with it, not being able to flip the layout and the scrollback being not adjustable will kepp me at xchat [12:29] seb128, through the topic [12:29] grrrr [12:29] do you actually read what I said? [12:29] the buffer is the same as xchat [12:29] seb128, yes [12:29] there is just no UI atm [12:29] if you have it set it'll stay the same [12:30] ok, I buy it. where can I get a breezy backport for my laptop :P ? [12:30] seb128, as i aid, the topic handling is something i could bear .. [12:30] mvo|xchat-gnome: universe has it for some time :) [12:30] mvo|xchat-gnome: ask on ubuntu-backports@ - they will have to backport libsexy too [12:30] but the other two issues make it unusable for me, its my major working tool... [12:31] ogra: I'm not speaking about topic but number of lines at screen [12:31] ah, scrollback ...? [12:31] that's what I call buffer [12:31] ok, one issue solved [12:31] topic is topic [12:31] the user list position is just the kind of stuff you find weird for a day [12:31] so now i need a gconf key to flip the layout and i'll be half way happy :) [12:31] and get used to pretty quickly [12:32] i just want it on the right side, its totally distrating on the left, idont care about the design or that the channel win is above it etc... [12:33] a gconf keya to be able to flip userlist/chatwindow would suffice ... [12:33] i tested longer than a day [12:35] it'll not change === ptlo [n=senko@217.14.217.17] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] it has been rejected by upstream [12:35] sad, so i'll stay with xchat ... [12:35] stay with whatever you want [12:35] we will switch it for desktop anyway :) [12:35] sure ... i wont be abe to do anything about it ... [12:35] seb128: does xchat-gnome need to conflict with xchat? [12:36] but you will drop a lot of cool stuff for a left/right position ... [12:36] Burglaptop: it's fixed since 0.8, need to update xchat [12:36] but as i said, its one of my major working tools, so i want it not to annoy me ... i use it >10h a day ... [12:36] for next upload === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] ogra: that's just weird that you can't focus on a text area that takes most of the screen [12:37] or can't get used to a list to left or right [12:37] you don't have one once of flexibility, a shame for you :) [12:37] seb128: I suspect that once they don't conflict and people can use them side by side, there might be more converts [12:37] seb128, the big white bar is distracting on the left [12:38] seb128, yes, i'm a bonehead :) === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] seb128, look at pitti, he has probs if he doesnt have his perfect screen layout ... thats how we germans are :P [12:40] well, not being able to read two channels at once is nowhere near 'perfect layout' :) [12:40] the xchat layout sucks as well, but at least I can have two channels side by side [12:40] I agree that's a valid usecase [12:40] and they have not rejected the bug [12:40] so let's hope ;) [12:41] strange, why don't replies to malone mails show up on the bug? hmhmhm [12:41] the "let's have an option to move every UI part to left/right" is not worth an option [12:41] another thing is that i like to know how many people are in a channel, there seems to be no option to show that in the status bar ... [12:41] dholbach: because malone sucks still? :p [12:41] hmhmrmhrmhrmhrmh [12:41] like it was something useful [12:42] who cares if there is 80 or 90 users in the chan? [12:42] and that's probably trivial to write a plugin for it [12:42] seb128, for the channels i maintain it is something useful ... and for a statistic freak like me anyway :P [12:42] write a plugin === dholbach is glad with the way it is [12:42] a few lines of python should do the trick [12:42] that would imply i use the program :) [12:43] stop complaining for complaining [12:43] I'm happy to forward valid griefs like pitti's one upstream, but that is crap [12:43] if you need to special stat stuff just do a plugin or use another software [12:43] that's not something desktop users will look for to start [12:44] i agree that i'm not the typical desktop user sitting in front of a chat window more than 10h a day ... [12:45] pitti: you made LWN [12:46] oh? [12:46] Martin Pitt looks at locales restructuring and why a dist-upgrade might break. He also explains why this isn't a bug. [12:46] heh [12:46] they like our mails to u-d-a :) [12:46] elmo: please sync service-discovery-applet from debian... ubuntu changes can be dropped [12:46] doesn't lwn have anything more interesting to report than transitions in development releases? [12:47] mvo, you should have announced the dbus transition, so you'd be on there as well :) [12:47] Burglaptop: I didn't explain why it isn't a bug; I explained why I won't fix it [12:47] pitti: lwn tries to report just about everything they can [12:47] of course it is a bug, but it's not worth fixing it [12:47] ogra: haha, I should fish a bit for fame you mean? [12:47] it only occurs between two flight CDs [12:47] I suppose it's the kind of news that is easy enough to get and add [12:47] mvo, yeah ... === mvo considers writing a happy christmas mail to u-d-a :P [12:48] lol === mvo really hopes noone takes him serious [12:50] <\sh> mvo: do it :) === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Danten [n=danten@h137n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] <\sh> elmo: please sync libgettext-ruby , libgtk-trayicon-ruby , libopengl-ruby , ruby-gnome2 from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes thx === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-148-187.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-097-100.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kaloz_ [i=kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kaloz_ is now known as Kaloz === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Dantis [n=danten@h116n12c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty_ [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] doko: ping? [01:55] who is handling main uploader rights enabling? I have a ticket in rt.canonical since last Wed [01:56] janimo: elmo [01:56] fabbione: pong [01:56] doko: OOo2 is FTBFS on ppc [01:56] dunno if you noticed [01:56] fabbione: yes, seen, but I don't understand the reason ... [01:57] neither do i.. i am going to wait an ubuntu2 before trying on sparc [01:57] since i was expecting it this morning :) === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] seb128, lol, who picked those gst-plugin-good/ugly package names? [02:04] upstream [02:04] seb128, will we have an 'ugly; too? ;) [02:05] that's the upstream name for the different tarball for it [02:05] we already have? [02:05] no? === HiddenWolf checks [02:07] seb128, nothing with ugly in the package name according to packages.u.c [02:07] it has not built yet [02:07] I though you were reading -changes from today [02:07] what was the comment about? where did you notice the names? [02:08] hm, I read changes. :) [02:08] ah, yes, sorry [02:08] you asked who picked the ugly package name [02:08] HiddenWolf: we will get one with an even worse name later... plugins-ugly-multiverse ;) === HiddenWolf waits for plugins-bad. :) [02:08] and then you say there is no such package ... [02:08] seb128, I was confused. [02:08] bad is not coming soon [02:08] HiddenWolf: and plugins-bad are the broken plugins ;) [02:09] that's bugged code [02:09] seb128, it's just the humor of having packages refer to the movie. [02:09] The good, the bad, the ugly [02:10] HiddenWolf: upstream names, too :) === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-11.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dieffel [n=dieffel@50A2F56D.flatrate.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@210.213.94.42] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:27] anyone else having problems with launchpad.net? or is it just me? [03:29] mvo: problems like what? [03:30] dholbach: like not geting anything but a white screen [03:31] hm, looks fine for me === shinmen [n=shinmen@nat1.inalambrica.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo kicks his browser === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.194.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:41] fabbione: yay, all kernels have built [03:41] pitti: no! really???? [03:41] fabbione: erm, why so surprised? [03:41] dholbach: works fine now after I restarted ff [03:41] see.. that's why i get to have pre-test kernels :) === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:42] ogra: hi [03:42] fabbione: oh, I wasn't surprised *that* they built, just stated that they are ready for release now :) [03:42] ogra: i won't be able to on for about 6 or 7 hours today, sorry. === hno73 [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] mhz, no problem ... [03:43] pitti: GO AHEAD! UNLEASH THE BEASTS! MAKE THE WORLD SUFFER IN HORRIBLE PAIN! [03:48] Riddell: Yo [03:48] mjg59: presumably HAL handles all the tricky hardware stuff and it just needs a fairly simple frontend on top [03:49] Riddell: Basically, the reason to do it via HAL is because we get (a) a uniform mechanism, and (b) only the foreground user will be able to change the hardware state [03:49] and gnome-power-manager uses this now? [03:50] how can I get the automated merge bugs to stop for a particular package? [03:50] Riddell: g-p-m uses this now, but doesn't get the benefit of (b) until I write the dbus patch [03:50] BenC: close the bug? [03:50] Basically, you need something on the KDE side that sends a dbus signal requesting a suspend or hibernate [03:51] fabbione: but new ones keep getting reopened [03:51] BenC: is that kernel-package? [03:51] yeah [03:51] if so just assign it debzilla.. [03:51] Riddell: Then that needs to tie in to the kcontrol panel where users can choose what happens when the close the lid and so on [03:51] make it owned by nobody :) [03:51] ok :) [03:51] and it will stop spamming you [03:52] Riddell: That's enough for now, but in the long run it should also get information about whether a sleep button exists, whether the hardware supports suspend and so on from HAL as well [03:52] mjg59, so this will replace calling pmi actions from gdm? [03:52] janimo: Yes [03:52] cool [03:53] mjg59: doesn't sound too difficult to do, I doubt I have time but I'll try and poke some people in the right direction === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] Riddell: Rocking [03:53] mjg59, does this power manager daemon dep only on hal/dbus or does it grow gnomedeps like vfs and bonobo? [03:54] it'd be nice to integrate with xfce too [03:54] I see it depends on some gnome stuff but don't know how essential it is [03:54] janimo, should be possible to rip out ... === [g2-nta] is now known as [g2] [03:55] ogra, I'd like to rip it out cleanly so it's not a fork if possible [03:55] janimo, talk to hughsie in #hal :) [03:55] does anyone know if gfxboot will have support for mouse when the user selects a language? [03:55] he is upstream === psusi [n=chatzill@69.44.168.233] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] Why is my dist-upgrade bringing in irssi? [03:55] ogra, thanks noted [03:55] jbailey, you removed it ? [03:55] jbailey: because irssi core dumps and its apart of main i think [03:56] ogra: I have never had it installed. [03:56] jbailey, it has been in the desktop seed since ... ever ? [03:56] Weird. [03:58] hrm, someone said my name, but way past my scrollback [03:58] weird. Does anybody know about firefox popup that comes on without any apparent reason and asks to confirm an SSL certificate for *.mozilla.org even when not connecting there? [03:58] ogra: irssi-text is, but not irssi from the looks of it. [03:58] when approved, firefox says somethign about connecting to somwehre not remotely related to moz.org [03:58] sivang: it's probably trying to check for updates [03:59] sivang: I've seen that in firefox under windows [03:59] jbailey, ah... [03:59] janimo: The daemon side of things would still be managed by KDE, it would just use HAL to get information about the system === sivang is afraid his being bitten by a warm or some wtf.. [03:59] And to do the actual state transitions [03:59] janimo: Or are you thinking about from an xfce point of view? [04:01] mjg59, I am thinking xfce now [04:01] and was thinkoing how much of g-p-m uses gnome libs [04:01] some of the apps in ubuntu use gnome while they could with a bit of effort get away with plian gtk [04:02] but I'll check it out once is working nicely in ubuntu === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent_ [i=Madhawk@82.145.135.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:09] at about announing to u-d-a for lwn fame [04:09] ogra: what was that about announing to u-d-a for lwn fame [04:09] janimo: The front-end uses gnome libs, but the backend should be fine [04:09] how do i get the ubuntu kernel source from my linux machine [04:09] Riddell, ubuntu-devel-announce mails are reported on linux weekly news recently :) [04:10] so sending something there makes you a celebrity *g* [04:11] pappan, #ubuntu for those questions - and its in the archives. [04:12] wow === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd [i=sjoerd@tunnel3460.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:17] What schedule is compiled on Dapper's Linux ? [04:18] crimsun_: ping [04:21] Amaranth: have you also seen that on your system? [04:21] sivang: nope [04:22] Pupeno: er you mean scheduler? [04:22] zakame: yes. [04:23] Pupeno: hm I see all 4 (or 5) in breezy, I myself am currently using cfq [04:23] zakame: let me know if you encounter that on Ubuntu as well [04:23] sivang: sure, I'm all yours :) [04:24] zakame: in breezy ? how ? breezy uses 2.6.12 and the possibility to choose different scheduler was added on 2.6.13, furthermore I believe there are only 3 schedulers, are we talking about different things ? where do you 'see' them ? [04:24] sivang: though on windows I encountered that with fx 1.0.2 [04:24] Pupeno: err, at `dmesg | pager`? === hno73 [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:25] Pupeno: I set my preferred scheduler at the bootparams, e.g. `elevator=cfq' === sivang wonders why he's subscribed to u-d-a and appears to not be recieving email from there.. [04:25] zakame: dmesg | grep 'cfq' shows me nothing, am I missing something ? [04:26] Pupeno: grep 'scheduler' [04:26] grep scheduler /var/log/dmesg [04:26] zakame: thx :) [04:26] Nafallo: nothing either. [04:27] are you runninig 6.2.12 ? [04:27] oh, on another box the schedulers appear. [04:27] Pupeno: we seem to have noop anticipatory deadline and cfq [04:27] Pupeno: 6.2? not yet [04:27] 2.6 is [04:27] er 2.6 I mean. [04:28] have the schedulers patch been backported to 2.6.12 by Debian/Ubuntu devs ? [04:28] man, i bet in 6.2 my music still skips when i copy a large file [04:28] Amaranth: hrhr [04:30] which one is the scheduler for low lattency then ? cfq ? [04:36] cfq's good for desktops, deadline and noop for dbservers i think === Danten [n=danten@h19n12c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-devel [04:37] zakame: I need the scheduler that can deliver very low latency (<3ms) for audio. [04:38] Pupeno: for that you should also explore realtime-lsm, maybe even jack [04:38] schedulers alone won't be a factor [04:38] zakame: I am working on both of them, but they are complementary. [04:39] I have seted realtime-lsm before and I have run jackd before, I am only missing a Linux with low latency. [04:39] Let's see. === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:40] Pupeno: rock on then :) [04:44] elmo: hi, please sync gpdf from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes ok. Thanks, and Happy Holidays! :) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:47] I don't like the io schedulers because they screw up the ordering and lower throughput when I mess around with multiple overlapped O_DIRECT async IO requests to see how fast I can push my drives ;) === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === frans-th [n=frans-th@202.73.108.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [n=BryanFor@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] hwhere is hmb? i need it [05:06] need him === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lucas [n=lucas@d83-177-196-11.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@23.Red-83-50-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@207.55.180.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-109.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thesaltydog [n=fabio@host242-169.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johnl [n=johnl@cpc2-leds4-5-1-cust127.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:55] hi, libsane-extras in dapper universe relies on libsane 1.0.17, but dapper only has libsane 1.0.16 how can that be? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:56] johnl: if the package is not modifed sync are done automatically from Debian, maybe the first is unmodified but not the second [05:57] ah ic [05:57] is that a bug that I need to report then? even though universe isn't supported [05:58] libsane with be updated, there is probably already a bug about that [05:59] there is automatic bugs for packages that need to be synced from Debian [06:00] ok. thanks. [06:00] np === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aroman [n=aroman@CPE00508b49d017-CM00407b87db9d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:01] Hi === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:01] I'm trying to install kUbuntu-dapper-flight2... any way to tell it NOT to load firewire modules? [06:02] because if it loads firewire, IRQ11 gets disabled for me (toshiba laptop), so I can't use network at all... === Burgwork [n=corey@S010600131016cf6f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _aroman [n=aroman@CPE00508b49d017-CM00407b87db9d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent__ [i=Madhawk@82.145.135.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frans-th [n=frans-th@202.73.108.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@A-102-212.cust.iol.ie] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _aroman is now known as aroman [06:27] what type of filesystem does initrd.gz use? [06:27] :/ [06:27] cramfs? it's not ext2 or ext3, since I can't mount it... [06:28] aroman: which initrd? the new ones from breezy/dapper created by initramfs? [06:28] dapper [06:28] aroman: those new style initrd are just compressed cpio archives [06:28] extract them with cpio [06:28] hmm... so, how would I go about modifying them? [06:29] extracting and recreating them [06:30] siretart: any special options when I re-create the archive and the .gz? [06:30] I think its just a compressed cpio archive, if in doubt, consider looking at the source of initramfs-tools [06:33] oy... now that dapper's moving away from hotplug, how can I preven a module from being loaded? [06:34] aroman: using the keyword 'blacklist' in /etc/modprobe.d/* [06:34] there should be some examples in that dir [06:34] ok thank you [06:35] um ok... I didn't ask the right question...sorry [06:35] I mean, in the initrd.gz root filesystem? [06:35] same procedure? because there is no /etc/modprobe.d [06:38] hmm... I could just remove the actual modules from /lib/modules... since I don't even use them === frans-th [n=frans-th@202.73.108.136] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === _mvo_ [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _mvo_ is now known as msg|xchat-gnome === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _mvo_ [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:04] aroman: how can you have no /etc/modprobe.d/*?! [07:05] aroman: in the new world oder you rather configure modprobe than the thingy loading the modules (read: udev) [07:05] regarding to avoid loading modules === Am|NickTaken [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:16] siretart: look, the initrd.gz contained in the latest netboot.tar.gz has no /etc/modprobe.d/* [07:20] aroman: oh, I was rather talking about the installed system, not inside the initramfs [07:21] siretart: well, my problem is that I don't get network unless I disable firewire (if firewire gets loaded, I get IRQ 11 getting disabled) [07:21] and if I don't get network, I can't install :( [07:22] and my initrd.gz doesn't work :( my laptop just hangs... [07:26] ah, I see [07:26] so, you need a special initramfs anyway. I think it would be indeed most practicable to just delete the firefire modules from the initramfs [07:28] ok I've looked at initramfs_tools source and got the exact command that creates the initrd.gz [07:29] I get a few of these kind of errors though: [07:29] cpio: ./sbin/blockdev: No such file or directory [07:29] and /sbin/blockdev is an invalid symlink to /bin/busybox [07:29] as are all the others [07:29] harmless? [07:30] sorry, I'm not that familar with initramfs, too [07:42] and why the heck is my intrd coming up as 283MB?! :S [07:42] when du -hs prints 15MB for the uncompressed stuff? :/ [07:51] ok... got it working [07:51] goodie.... it doesn't recognize my network card :( [07:51] curses === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Loiosh [n=loiosh@c-67-166-229-59.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu-Devel [08:00] is malone now for all bugs, or still just for universe? === sbartleylinux [n=sbartley@67.108.61.130.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:02] universe === FireRabbit [n=FireRabb@c-67-183-18-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-242-107.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] Is anyone maintaining network-manager nowadays? [09:02] mjg59, network magic is keybuks domain, but I don't know if he is doing anything with it [09:05] thesaltydog, eventually everything will be in malone [09:06] Nafallo has updated nm to 0.5.1-0ubuntu5 yesterday [09:07] seb128: Ah, yes === Hieronymus [n=jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@p54A66EAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] <_xhaker> hello all :) === _xhaker is now known as xhaker === Am|NickTaken [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Danten [n=danten@h178n8c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-devel [09:11] mjg59, you want http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1403 [09:12] BenC, sorry for misreporting that blacklisting ide-generic didn't make this able to detect my dvd drive.. it does.. just forgot to update-initramfs, i have to modprobe ide-disk everytime i boot tho [09:13] ok, that's all a udev issue [09:13] true [09:14] that's why i messed up earlier.. blacklisting is kinda different [09:14] Burgwork: I've got it [09:15] That was its behaviour in breezy, though - I'm not sure why it would have changed in dapper [09:17] mjg59, "that was its behaviour" - you mean pressing the button brought up the logout dialog? [09:18] No [09:18] Shutting down the machine [09:18] It's never done anything else [09:19] that is bug, IMHO [09:19] It's something that gets fixed with the move to the new configuration stuff, so I'm fairly unconcerned righ tnow [09:20] ah, ok === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] Burgwork, does it mean that main bugs are still in bugzilla at the moment? [09:29] pitti: What's the best way to ship a small suid binary with dbus? [09:29] mjg59: 'way' -> packaging? [09:30] pitti: Yes [09:30] is italian firefox localization in dapper a known bug? It won't upgrade from breezy.. === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-70-16-64-188.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] pitti: is messagebus an allocated user, or a dynamic one? [09:31] mjg59: it's a system user (> 100) [09:31] mjg59: i. e. ship with 0755, chmod in postinst [09:31] pitti: Ok [09:31] mjg59: after the adduser [09:31] pitti: And chown? [09:31] yes, of course [09:31] No problem [09:31] 4754, I assume? [09:31] Yeah [09:32] thesaltydog, yes [09:33] thesaltydog, to the bugzilla question [09:33] mjg59: oh, are you going to upload dbus soon? [09:33] ok.. thanks. [09:33] mjg59: if so, could you please do me a favor? [09:33] pitti: Wasn't planning on it - I was going to send a diff to mvo [09:33] ah, ok [09:34] I'd like to have a small improvement of the dbus-1-utils package description [09:34] But I guess I could later on - what do you want doing? [09:34] Ah, ok [09:34] but it's not worth a separate upload === koke [n=koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] if somebody does an upload, today's fix by mvo is wrong [09:35] pitti: What I've done for now is basically to change the at_console policy to check for /var/foo/bar/username:vt [09:36] pitti: Then I'll probably just add a small pam module (or alternatively hack pam_console) to create that === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@p54A66EAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] pitti: pong, just got in and read e-mail. Checking. === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] hi daniels [10:30] good morning captain === mvo waves to daniels [10:31] morning all [10:31] hellas daniels :) [10:31] hi daniels [10:32] hi seb128 :) [10:32] hey dholbach [10:34] hello all ;) [10:34] hi Pygi === lamont__ [n=lamont@mib.fc.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] hi lamont__ === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] ho, BenC, fixed any new bugs lately? ;) [10:47] yeah, but it never seems like there's any less bugs than when I started :) [10:48] BenC: well, I suppose you got used to it after all that time smashing bugs ;) [10:48] As what is most bad, is if you create a patch for the bug which then produces two or three new bugs ;) [10:48] now, that's bad ;) === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-2-236.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === currios [n=currios@e182069188.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] Merry Christmas to you. Hope you have an enjoyable Christmas where ever [10:59] good night everybody [10:59] themuso: you too :) [11:00] night [11:00] pitti: hi === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-167-98.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@207.67.194.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:05] what the fuck [11:05] I thought the input garbage was all fixed for RC4 === floam bugs xorg people [11:06] floam: please don't use that kind of words in here ;) thank you ;) [11:06] yeah, I appolgize. I was perturbed for about 15 seconds, since I was expecting it to all magically be fixe [11:06] fixed [11:06] it's supposed to be, but boy am I motivated to fix any potential problems now [11:07] :) [11:07] s/app/ap/ [11:08] daniels: like making it fast without the cairo workaround? :) [11:09] seb128: we're working on it [11:10] cool [11:10] seb128: cairo workaound? [11:10] mvo: basically, nautilus backgrounds are screwed [11:10] the mouse buttons are no longer swapped, but gnome-settings-daemon still freaks out if I'm using evdev [11:10] if cairo does the compositing client-side, it's normal speed [11:11] if X does it, it's arse-slow, and all done in software [11:11] floam: buttons mouse issue is fixed [11:11] hello all [11:11] seb128: yeah, I notice [11:11] daniels: ah, thanks. I remeber now :) [11:11] I wonder why gsd crashes [11:11] seems to be klavier [11:12] floam: it's xkeyboard-config bog [11:13] floam: gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd [11:13] if klavier crashes, 'tis klavier bug, for sucking at error handling :P [11:13] I didn't know what it was. It seemed to be in a function with klavier in it's name [11:13] quite true [11:13] seb128: what will that do? [11:13] print your config [11:13] so you can copy it [11:14] and I can blame xorg :p [11:14] do you want it? [11:14] yep [11:14] layouts = [] [11:14] model = [11:14] options = [grp_led grp_led:scroll,eurosign eurosign:5,Compose key compose:ralt] [11:14] overrideSettings = true [11:14] so don't have an empty layouts list [11:14] no layouts, hum [11:14] I didn't empty it [11:14] how did you do this? [11:14] or an empty model [11:14] I didn't empty anything [11:14] this is all vanilla ubuntu I havn't touched gconf in that area [11:14] seb128: so much for blaming xorg, I guess [11:14] dude, it is *not* vanilla [11:15] as in unaltered [11:15] i can give you an absolutely ironclad guarantee that we do *not* set up compose:ralt, or grp_led:scroll [11:15] of course it's dapper and unsafe and etc. [11:15] i don't think we set up eurosign:5 either [11:15] so you have altered the keyboard preferences [11:15] daniels: that's just something I did through the GUI [11:15] I never unset anything [11:15] floam: for sure you touched the keyboard capplet [11:15] yes [11:15] ... [11:15] what layout it selected from it? [11:15] but that applet shouldn't allow me to totally destroy things, idealy :P [11:16] it doesn't [11:16] I can't delete the unique layout here [11:16] Keyboard &model: Generic 104-key PC [11:16] and the layout in the list is U.S. English [11:16] it has no checkmark next to it in the Default column [11:17] it's the only one so that shouldn't matter [11:17] hum, right [11:17] options are ok [11:18] hm [11:18] I touched everything, now [11:18] layouts = [us] [11:18] model = pc105 [11:18] options = [grp grp:alts_toggle] [11:18] overrideSettings = true [11:19] gsd still crashes though [11:19] what happens when you do setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout us -option grp:alts_toggle? [11:19] that will work [11:19] it seems to work [11:20] setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout us -option grp:alts_toggle -print | xkbcomp - :0.0 [11:20] what about that? [11:20] many warnings [11:20] that's all? [11:20] yes [11:20] if it's about keys not having symbols, that's fine [11:20] Warning: No symbols defined for (keycode 239) [11:20] so it should not crash with that config [11:20] are you sure g-s-d still crash? [11:21] bunch of that/ [11:21] s/\//./ === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.252.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] daniels: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/5740 is still buggy === irvin_ [n=irvin@203.213.194.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] seb128: of course it's still buggy, it has an empty layout list ;) [11:24] i tried to comment on it, but malone didn't let me, and then I forgot about it [11:24] seb128: but yeah. layout and model are compulsory. only option and variant are optional. [11:24] (no pun intended.) [11:24] good point [11:25] -> breakfast [11:25] enjoy [11:28] seb128: how are you so sure the issue is with the keyboard stuff? It works fine if I'm using the old mouse driver [11:28] it only breaks when I'm using evdev for my mouse [11:29] (where works fine means gsd doesn't crash, it still sucks because of it using mousedev) [11:29] oh [11:29] nop, I think it's not an xkb issue [11:29] hmm [11:30] since the setxkbmap works fine [11:30] dunno what this evdev is though [11:30] seb128: input driver that uses /dev/input/event* [11:30] it supports many mouse buttons and tiltwheels and all the fancy new stuff [11:32] among other things, it's also not specific to mice, it's for input devices of all sorts [11:33] some people use it for their keyboards also [11:34] you could try running g-s-d with XKL_DEBUG=500 set [11:34] and not on what it chockes [11:34] not on? [11:35] ? [11:35] what on? [11:35] "and not on what it chokes" [11:35] I'm not sure what you want me to not do :P [11:35] "note" [11:35] typo [11:35] oh [11:35] the last thing before it crashes is: [11:35] [1135290899,150,xklavier.c:_XklGetAppState/] Appwin 280001a, 'floam@amnesiac: ~' has the group 0, indicators 0 [11:35] [1135290899,160,xklavier.c:_XklLoadWindowTree/] initial _xklCurClient: 280001a, 'floam@amnesiac: ~' with state 0/0 [11:36] which doesn't seem special === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217cbd164.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] The error was 'BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)'. [11:36] (Details: serial 1009 error_code 2 request_code 116 minor_code 0) [11:36] ah [11:36] that is an xorg bug somewhere probably [11:38] meh [11:38] seb128: have upstream gone in sane ? [11:38] This message cannot be sent because the account you chose to send with is not enabled [11:38] and: lavier.c:XklStartListen/] The backend does not require manual layout management - but it is provided by the application [11:38] ^ evolution bitching when I try to send from robertc@squid-cache.org [11:38] lifeless: activate the account, I don't really get why they did that [11:39] seb128: but it cannot 'recieve' mail at all, ever [11:39] yeah, select "none" as account type [11:39] ok === mvo goes to bed now [11:41] seb128: thanks [11:41] np [11:42] seb128: they must have a reason. I'd *love* a direct way to say 'I can send as FOO, but use my normal account details for everything else with the possible exception of gpg settings' [11:43] yeah, multiple email for one one reception account would be nice [11:43] I'd also like a way to say 'receieve mai from this source, but it has no outbound details' [11:43] I've one IMAP server configured and a bunch of dummy accounts for that [11:43] yeah [11:43] me too, its frustrating [11:46] lifeless, seb128: are either of you bugged by the fact that evo forwards as an attachment? [11:47] I almost never forward stuff so no [11:47] are there any other mail clients out there that do that? [11:47] er [11:47] by default it does [11:47] you can forward as whatever you like [11:48] er... or at least in a previous version you could [11:48] HrdwrBoB: a) I think it is a stupid default b) there is no way to set it globally (ie, I always want to forward as A or B) === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] I agree [11:48] though people constantly piss me off by forwarding in outlook which eats the headers [11:49] and expect me to be able to debug their email problems with message content [11:49] it is interesting how bad outlook is a client [11:49] HrdwrBoB: i also love it when it doesnt send the email [11:49] HrdwrBoB: like you forward a message adn its From: with no email address [11:49] there is a mailing list I follow that has a lot of windows users on it. Outlook breaks the threads constantly [11:49] Burglaptop: yeh i hate that [11:50] the archives are also a total mess, because of the thread breaking [11:50] hmm, http://www.koffice.org/competition/guiKOffice2.php === oracle [n=madduck@sake.ifi.unizh.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] we need an ubuntu-devel-offtopic [11:53] hello all === madduck_ [n=madduck@debian/developer/madduck] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] thats why we have ubuntu-devel-announce ... [11:53] are the scripts used in packages.ubuntu.com available online? [11:53] so all real important stuff can gi there [11:54] ogra: no a channel, not a mailing list [11:54] irvin, mail the maintainer of p.u.c [11:54] Burglaptop, ah, yes [11:54] but we're all preparing for holiday anyway ... [11:54] thanks ogra, guess i'll have to wait for the reply [11:55] irvin: p.u.c and p.d.o are maintained by the same person [11:55] i see === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-76-110.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel