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manicka | mdke: I noticed the link to the UDSF was removed from the wiki frontpage and replaced with a link to the forum/delta | 12:35 |
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mdke | manicka, i didn't notice that, I'm subscribed to that page | 12:37 |
mdke | show me | 12:38 |
manicka | hang on, let me check | 12:39 |
mdke | afaik, it's never been on the front page | 12:40 |
mdke | the forum delta has been on there for a long time tho | 12:40 |
manicka | hmmm, let me check my logs, I may have the wrong page | 12:40 |
mdke | yeah, i added the link to the forum delta page in July this year | 12:41 |
manicka | my apologies, I had the wrong page | 12:41 |
mdke | which page? | 12:42 |
manicka | Nothing has changed | 12:42 |
mdke | ah | 12:42 |
manicka | that forum/delta page by the way is awful. I'm not surprised it hasn't been used very much | 12:46 |
mdke | manicka, awful in what way? | 12:46 |
manicka | the layout/structure | 12:47 |
mdke | manicka, you understand that it is not supposed to be a place for users to learn right? | 12:48 |
mdke | it is a drop-off point for people who don't want to learn how to edit the wiki properly, and just want to paste in material | 12:49 |
mdke | feel free to improve it, of course | 12:49 |
mdke | that's what a wiki is all about | 12:49 |
manicka | okay, the drop-off point concept had escaped me | 12:50 |
mdke | manicka, it's written right there on the page! | 12:50 |
manicka | lol, yeah I know | 12:50 |
mdke | first paragraph | 12:51 |
manicka | I should have read it more closely | 12:51 |
mdke | no wonder you don't like our wiki :( | 12:51 |
manicka | I didn't know of it's existence until today | 12:51 |
manicka | I never said I don't like the wiki | 12:51 |
manicka | I use it all the time :) | 12:52 |
mdke | manicka, [23:51:53] <@dc> charm | 12:53 |
mdke | argh | 12:53 |
mdke | sorry bad paste | 12:53 |
mdke | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81999 | 12:53 |
mdke | there is an explanation of how it is intended to work there | 12:53 |
manicka | so how much of the stuff pasted there gets turned into userdocs | 12:54 |
mdke | i don't know | 12:55 |
mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Postfix was originally there | 12:55 |
mdke | i guess whenever someone has some spare time | 12:56 |
mdke | that page still needs a fair amount of work too :) | 12:56 |
manicka | hmm, you need someone to take hold of that project and make it happen | 12:57 |
manicka | if users paste stuff there then it sits there for months, then there's not much incentive | 12:57 |
mdke | yeah that is very true | 12:58 |
mdke | taking a look now, some of the stuff is very out of date, it's obviously been sitting there a while | 12:58 |
Bonzodog | we have a different way of doing things..we have people who trawl the forums, and we work with other teams, and we get the tweaker teams to paste links in to use how-to's etc into a 'threads to doc' page. The TB team members then go through that page and start porting the stuff from the forums or sites linked to | 01:00 |
Bonzodog | once it is added it is immediately accessible by anyone | 01:00 |
mdke | that's not a different way of doing things, it's the same, but more organised and with more people | 01:00 |
Bonzodog | there is no approval period | 01:00 |
mdke | think of what you call 'threads to doc' as the forum section on wiki.u.c, it's really the same thing | 01:01 |
mdke | when it comes down to it, the only difference is that regular work is going into it on gwos | 01:02 |
mdke | whereas wiki.u.c/forum is a bit more stagnant | 01:02 |
Bonzodog | you see 'threads to doc' only contains links, nothing else | 01:02 |
Bonzodog | also, the how-to's are forum guides, not official ways of doing things | 01:02 |
manicka | Bonzo: so are the userdocs on the wiki | 01:03 |
Bonzodog | they maybe a 'shortcut' that someone has found, or someones individual way of performing a well known but difficult tasks | 01:03 |
mdke | i don't see how that is a difference | 01:04 |
Bonzodog | we were always given to understand that the wiki would only host 'official' methods of doing things | 01:04 |
mdke | Bonzodog, define "official" | 01:05 |
Bonzodog | and the wiki edits would also be quarantined until they were seen as fit to add by a member of the doc team | 01:05 |
mdke | Bonzodog, we prefer to only add documents to the _index_ when they are finished and are fit for users yes, but otherwise, the wiki is totally open. | 01:06 |
mdke | you can create a page called "TalkingRubbish" and fill it with whatever you like, it's all open | 01:06 |
Bonzodog | 'official' - methods as defined in the software manuals and faq's | 01:07 |
mdke | Bonzodog, which software manuals and faqs? | 01:07 |
Bonzodog | i'm trying to think of the best definition. | 01:08 |
mdke | there isn't one ;) | 01:08 |
manicka | bonzo: my understanding has always been that the userdocs sections are open to anyone | 01:09 |
mdke | or rather, if there is, it doesn't include even half of the material on the wiki | 01:09 |
Bonzodog | you see, i've entered into this argument late, and i'm trying desperately to understand why there is a dis-agreement between the two doc teams | 01:11 |
mdke | i was in it early, and I havne't got a clue | 01:11 |
manicka | lol, it's confusing at times | 01:12 |
Bonzodog | I do think gwos does serve a useful purpose, and that both wikis should co-exist | 01:12 |
mdke | Bonzodog, reasons? | 01:14 |
mdke | put them on that page :) | 01:15 |
Bonzodog | we are doing | 01:15 |
Bonzodog | It would be nice to be able to get launchpad recognition for being on the forum teams | 01:15 |
mdke | you have to ask the forum team admins | 01:17 |
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jsgotangco | hey guys | 01:19 |
jsgotangco | mdke, grokking hard on the wiki eh? | 01:19 |
mdke | hello jerome | 01:19 |
mdke | doing some tidying | 01:19 |
jsgotangco | nice | 01:19 |
jsgotangco | anyways | 01:19 |
jsgotangco | mdke, were you able to check the logs 2 days ago about some random discussion we did here | 01:20 |
mdke | i saw it | 01:20 |
jsgotangco | the review thing | 01:20 |
mdke | oh no, not that | 01:20 |
mdke | remind me? | 01:20 |
jsgotangco | well i thought of having a revew week of sorts before every milestone comes out | 01:20 |
mdke | sounds like a clever idea, what would it entail? | 01:21 |
jsgotangco | i thought of writing again, but a lot stuff was already written and who knows what's on the mind of the current maintainers | 01:21 |
jsgotangco | i wouldn't want to be invasive when i start writing | 01:21 |
jsgotangco | so i thought of writing on the doc but in comments | 01:21 |
mdke | eh? | 01:22 |
mdke | there is so much stuff missing from the docs still :) | 01:22 |
jsgotangco | yes | 01:22 |
mdke | go ahead and write! | 01:22 |
jsgotangco | it was just an idea pulled off from REVU | 01:22 |
mdke | hmm | 01:23 |
mdke | the idea of reviewing stuff before milestones sounds good | 01:23 |
jsgotangco | and i think we should properly document ourselves first :) | 01:23 |
mdke | but I don't think you should get slowed down by anything | 01:23 |
jsgotangco | at least update our wiki pages | 01:23 |
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mdke | there are already too few people working on the docs | 01:23 |
jsgotangco | not at all | 01:24 |
mdke | jsgotangco, sure we can work on the wiki pages, but they are actually not too bad | 01:24 |
jsgotangco | mdke, i just thought of pretty wild ideas while i was drunk with 3 cans of red bull | 01:25 |
mdke | hehe | 01:25 |
mdke | the wiki pages do need love, definitely | 01:25 |
mdke | i was thinking we should move to a subpage | 01:25 |
jsgotangco | not a bad idea | 01:27 |
jsgotangco | it'll still get indexed by the search engine right? | 01:28 |
mdke | yes | 01:28 |
mdke | ooh nice Navigation macro | 01:29 |
mdke | who wrote that? | 01:29 |
mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility | 01:29 |
jsgotangco | henrik or perhaps luke | 01:31 |
mdke | oh it comes with Moin doh | 01:31 |
mdke | looks like they've customised it tho | 01:32 |
jsgotangco | there is pretty good progress with the a11y team | 01:32 |
mdke | looks good | 01:33 |
mdke | thats really great | 01:33 |
mdke | -> bed | 01:37 |
jsgotangco | later | 01:43 |
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Website http://doc.ubuntu.com | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | ||
=== Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by Burgundavia at Tue Nov 8 03:34:59 2005 | ||
k31th | Morning all | 09:54 |
Madpilot | hi | 10:05 |
k31th | Madpilot: watsup ? | 10:08 |
Madpilot | not much, just finishing Christmas wrapping | 10:10 |
=== jsgotangco awaits a gift from canada somewhere in victoria | ||
Madpilot | jsgotangco: not this year, sorry :P | 10:11 |
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rob1 | hi mdke | 10:26 |
mdke | hello :( | 10:26 |
rob1 | ? | 10:26 |
mdke | where have you been? | 10:26 |
rob1 | busy | 10:26 |
rob1 | end of year stuff with work (admin crap), family bbqs and stuff | 10:27 |
mdke | so what shall we do with the desktopguide? | 10:27 |
mdke | we tried to have a meeting last week... | 10:27 |
mdke | can we try again? | 10:27 |
rob1 | yeah | 10:27 |
rob1 | when? | 10:27 |
mdke | rob1, whenever you can actually turn up | 10:27 |
mdke | any times when you can definitely make it? | 10:28 |
jsgotangco | rob1, i asked IOSN about you but they prefer people from developing countries | 10:28 |
rob1 | mdke, I don't remember seeing a time set | 10:28 |
rob1 | jsgotangco, sure np | 10:28 |
mdke | rob1, it was last sunday | 10:29 |
rob1 | jsgotangco, thanks | 10:29 |
mdke | this sunday is not an option, maybe next week? | 10:29 |
rob1 | umm.. | 10:29 |
jsgotangco | rob1, maybe you can say you're on asylum haha | 10:29 |
rob1 | heh | 10:29 |
rob1 | mdke, who apart from the two of us do you want to have attend the meeting? | 10:30 |
mdke | Madpilot | 10:31 |
mdke | if poss, and anyone else who will work on the desktopguide | 10:32 |
rob1 | maybe we need some kind of wiki page where intrested people can put their names down? perhaps put down a suggested time? | 10:33 |
mdke | sure | 10:34 |
mdke | but you have to be there, IMO | 10:34 |
Madpilot | OgMaciel was interested too | 10:34 |
mdke | so I'll work around you | 10:34 |
rob1 | well I have nothing on tonight if those people happen to be around (for the next 5 hours or so | 10:35 |
rob1 | mdke, Madpilot is around now if your keen | 10:35 |
mdke | i'm at work, will have to go in a minute | 10:35 |
mdke | :( | 10:35 |
rob1 | ah dang | 10:35 |
Madpilot | it's 0136 here, need sleep soon | 10:36 |
rob1 | dam time difference | 10:36 |
mdke | rob1, we'll go the wiki page route I guess, we can email too | 10:36 |
rob1 | yeah ok | 10:37 |
jsgotangco | rob1, let's move elsewhere, like mdke 's pad | 10:37 |
rob1 | sure why not! | 10:37 |
mdke | hmm | 10:37 |
jsgotangco | rob1, he's a lawyer, i'm sure he can let us bum around | 10:37 |
mdke | i bet sabdfl's place is nicer | 10:37 |
jsgotangco | and he can feed us forever | 10:37 |
rob1 | yeah, hes gotta be cashed up | 10:37 |
rob1 | him too | 10:38 |
jsgotangco | yeah but he already has a posse while mdke still has to create one while his empire grows | 10:38 |
rob1 | heh | 10:38 |
jsgotangco | better to start early | 10:38 |
mdke | true | 10:38 |
rob1 | free food/money/airline tickets would help! | 10:39 |
mdke | rob1, one quick thing | 10:39 |
rob1 | yeah | 10:39 |
mdke | is the "mk" file in the desktopguide folder the up to date one? | 10:39 |
mdke | if so, let's switch to using that | 10:39 |
jsgotangco | mdke, adopt us and we can do ubuntu work under your name | 10:40 |
jsgotangco | heh | 10:40 |
rob1 | no, I move it all to the proper make file | 10:40 |
rob1 | +d | 10:40 |
mdke | rob1, i like the idea of using decentralised makefiles, it will be easier to keep the main makefile under control, and for translations | 10:40 |
mdke | does that "mk" one work? | 10:40 |
rob1 | mdke, sure I have no problem with that | 10:40 |
rob1 | I think its a bit dated, might not include everything it needs to | 10:41 |
mdke | ok i'll compare the two | 10:41 |
rob1 | you could just copy/paste from the original make file | 10:41 |
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rob1 | whos been going screenshot crazy on svn? | 10:42 |
rob1 | well thumbs anyway | 10:42 |
mdke | mgalvin, they are from his dapper release notes thing on the wiki | 10:43 |
rob1 | ah | 10:44 |
mdke | ok -> work | 10:44 |
mdke | later all | 10:44 |
rob1 | cya | 10:44 |
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rob1 | ? | 10:48 |
rob1 | did you quit? | 10:48 |
jsgotangco | see? | 10:48 |
jsgotangco | our favorite barrister doesn't need to work! | 10:48 |
jsgotangco | the money just comes in! | 10:48 |
mdke | yeah my supervisor isn't in yet and i have nothing on | 10:48 |
mdke | Madpilot, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP <-- rock! | 10:48 |
mdke | just noticing some hot stuff on the wiki | 10:49 |
jsgotangco | mdke, wow i didn't know lawyers had supervisors... | 10:49 |
mdke | jsgotangco, trainee lawyers do | 10:49 |
jsgotangco | ahhh | 10:49 |
mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Madwifi-ng | 10:49 |
mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelcomeToPython | 10:49 |
rob1 | In russia, the lawyers supervise you! | 10:50 |
jsgotangco | mdke, a little grease doesn't hurt | 10:51 |
jsgotangco | lol | 10:51 |
jsgotangco | joke | 10:51 |
Madpilot | mdke: a fair bit of that page is from either the wiki or was already there; I've just done a lot of editing & a few additions | 10:51 |
rob1 | whats with the odd google logos on google? | 10:53 |
mdke | Madpilot, isn't it ready for UserDocumentation? | 10:53 |
mdke | oh its there | 10:54 |
mdke | weird | 10:54 |
jsgotangco | holiday doodle | 10:54 |
mdke | didn't see it when I did a title search :( | 10:54 |
mdke | stupid moin | 10:54 |
Madpilot | mdke: no, it's there, and it's fine, but most of it isn't actually my work, that's all ;) | 10:56 |
mdke | Madpilot, np, it's great anyway | 10:56 |
Madpilot | mdke: you writing wiki articles for the Fridge, then? | 10:59 |
mdke | ? | 11:00 |
mdke | you mean, an entry about cool wiki pages? | 11:01 |
Madpilot | yeah, that's what I meant... | 11:01 |
mdke | that is the greatest idea ever | 11:02 |
Madpilot | wasn't it brought up at the last DocTeam meeting or last CC Meeting? | 11:02 |
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mdke | perhaps we can include it in the docteam newsletter idea | 11:02 |
rob1 | umm.. someone was asking us about wiki pages the other day for the fridge | 11:03 |
mdke | ah, who? | 11:03 |
mdke | if we can put together a nice newsletter, we can ask for it to be posted on the fridge | 11:03 |
rob1 | umm.. | 11:03 |
rob1 | c- something | 11:03 |
rob1 | crimsum? | 11:04 |
mdke | could be? | 11:04 |
mdke | i've only seen whiprush and jdub posting to the fridge | 11:04 |
Madpilot | crimsun? | 11:05 |
jsgotangco | mr. fridge and fridge jr. | 11:05 |
rob1 | might have been whiprush | 11:06 |
rob1 | it was someone.. | 11:06 |
mdke | ok let's let them ,know we'll prepare a rocking newsletter, on the wiki, and post it around the place | 11:06 |
mdke | UDN style | 11:06 |
Madpilot | sounds good to me | 11:06 |
rob1 | yeah we (the people around at the time) did, and gave them several wiki pages to look at featuring | 11:07 |
mdke | ah cool | 11:08 |
Madpilot | need sleep - later, all | 11:17 |
rob1 | cya Madpilot | 11:17 |
Kamping_Kaiser | later mate | 11:17 |
k31th | is anyone else having a problem with this mirror ?? http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl | 11:28 |
mdke | k31th, you have to try in #ubuntu about that sort of thing | 11:29 |
k31th | ok | 11:30 |
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dholbach | are you aware of this breakage: | 12:37 |
dholbach | cp libs/ubuntu-book.css ../build/ubuntu/desktopguide/ | 12:37 |
dholbach | Complete. Find outputs at ../build/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ | 12:37 |
dholbach | make[1] : *** No rule to make target `dg-IT', needed by `dg'. Stop. | 12:37 |
dholbach | make[1] : Leaving directory `/tmp/buildd/ubuntu-docs-5.12.4/ubuntu' | 12:37 |
dholbach | make: *** [debian/stamp-makefile-build] Error 2 | 12:37 |
dholbach | i'll drop dg-IT from the dg Makefile target and put up a debdiff of the changes i did online, so you can maybe feed it back to svn | 12:54 |
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jsgotangco | hello | 03:38 |
Kamping_Kaiser | hi | 03:39 |
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jjesse | morning :) | 03:44 |
jsgotangco | hey jjesse i started hacking on your doc today | 03:46 |
jjesse | jsgotangco: awesome | 03:48 |
jjesse | hack away hack away all | 03:48 |
jjesse | jsgotangco: lots of changes? | 03:59 |
jsgotangco | sort of are you doing changes at the moment? | 04:00 |
jjesse | none today | 04:02 |
jsgotangco | can you hold of till monday? | 04:03 |
jjesse | after work on friday i'll be !internet for a week | 04:03 |
jsgotangco | great | 04:03 |
jjesse | so if possible i would like to be able to sync around friday 5pm EST (i'm -5 UTC) | 04:04 |
jjesse | and be able to hack away at things while i'm at my in-laws | 04:04 |
jsgotangco | hmm ok i won't touch the doc then | 04:04 |
jsgotangco | i'll update the quickguide instead | 04:04 |
jjesse | well if you do the release notes, i gues i can work on the desktop guide ? | 04:05 |
jsgotangco | sure | 04:05 |
jsgotangco | i havent really looked at the other guides really | 04:05 |
jjesse | anyone know if the desktopguide is ready to be worked on for kubuntu? | 04:06 |
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mdke | dholbach, thanks i'll fix it | 04:22 |
mdke | my bad | 04:22 |
jsgotangco | ? | 04:23 |
mdke | jsgotangco, daniel found an error in the makefile | 04:24 |
dholbach | mdke: the other thing is, the "script" in debian/README should refer to debian/README.Debian, not debian/README.debian | 04:25 |
dholbach | (capital D) | 04:25 |
dholbach | that's all i changed apart from adding a changelog entry | 04:25 |
jsgotangco | oh is mdke packaging? | 04:25 |
mdke | dholbach, ok great, stick the diff up if you like | 04:27 |
mdke | jsgotangco, no... | 04:27 |
mdke | dholbach, but we really need to get you svn access for this stuff :) | 04:27 |
dholbach | haha ;) | 04:27 |
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dholbach | mdke: http://ubuntu.gplan.info/tiny.patch | 04:38 |
dholbach | hmhmhmmh: http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/tiny.patch | 04:38 |
dholbach | oops sorry, did the diff the wrong way around | 04:38 |
dholbach | apply it with -R please | 04:38 |
mdke | dholbach, i'll just do it manually, np | 04:39 |
dholbach | patch -p1 -R < tiny.patch should do | 04:39 |
mdke | alrighty | 04:39 |
dholbach | -p0 might too | 04:40 |
jsgotangco | i see greatness at work | 04:42 |
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dholbach | i'm off for getting christmas presents - see you | 04:45 |
jsgotangco | dholbach, later, i'll expect it from the post then | 04:46 |
jsgotangco | =) | 04:46 |
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mgalvin | mdke_: did you start a newsletter wiki page yet? | 08:00 |
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jjesse | for one of the docs that i have mostly finished, switching you friend to kubuntu, i need to add accessing windows partition, is this the best spot to go? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions | 09:48 |
mgalvin | jjesse: its overly verbose but looks like it will work | 09:56 |
mgalvin | (at a quick glance) | 09:56 |
jjesse | mgalvin: thanks, should have looked at the FAQ Guide first | 09:58 |
jjesse | the one that we publish :) | 09:58 |
mgalvin | :) | 09:58 |
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